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2024/12/3
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Oprah: 本播客旨在探讨人类体验和生活中真正重要的事情,并与专家、思想领袖和作家进行对话。此次读书会以Claire Keegan的小说《Small Things Like These》为中心,探讨爱尔兰历史、社会责任和人性善恶等主题。 Claire Keegan: 小说《Small Things Like These》并非基于个人经历,而是源于对爱尔兰“麦格达琳洗衣房”事件的反思,以及对人们在明知情况下的沉默和不作为的质疑。小说主人公Bill Furlong的形象是虚构的,但其内心的挣扎和选择具有普遍意义。作者认为,故事会主动寻找作者,写作需要耐心和倾听。书名“Small Things Like These”代表着人生中点点滴滴的积累最终构成了人生的全部。 Maureen Sullivan: 作为“麦格达琳洗衣房”的幸存者,Maureen Sullivan分享了她12岁时被送往洗衣房的经历,以及遭受的虐待和不公。她认为小说真实地反映了修女们的腐败和权力,以及教会对受害者的掩盖。她鼓励人们勇敢地讲述自己的故事,并寻求治愈。 Frances和Lena Rose: 两位爱尔兰高中女生分享了她们阅读《Small Things Like These》的感受,以及她们对爱尔兰历史和社会现状的看法。她们认为小说突显了爱尔兰对女性的压迫和羞耻感代代相传,并呼吁人们更多地关注和讨论这一问题。 其他观众: 其他观众就小说中涉及的社会责任、道德、罪恶感、同情心、勇气、家庭、信仰等主题提出了自己的看法和疑问,并与作者和嘉宾进行了深入的探讨。 Oprah: Oprah主持了本次读书会,并与嘉宾和观众进行了互动,引导大家对小说主题进行深入思考。她分享了Maya Angelou关于遗产的观点,并赞扬了Maureen Sullivan的勇气和力量。 Claire Keegan: Claire Keegan详细地阐述了小说的创作过程和灵感来源,并对小说中人物的性格和行为进行了分析。她认为,脚步不会说谎,跟随人物的脚步可以找到人物的真相。她还探讨了悲伤与同情心的关系,以及人们给予爱的能力与其所获得的爱之间的联系。 Maureen Sullivan: Maureen Sullivan分享了她个人在“麦格达琳洗衣房”的经历,以及她如何克服创伤,并通过写作来寻求治愈。她对小说能够帮助受害者开启治愈过程感到高兴。 Frances和Lena Rose: 两位高中女生分享了她们对小说的理解和感受,以及她们对爱尔兰历史和社会现状的看法。她们的观点代表了年轻一代对这一问题的关注和反思。 其他观众: 其他观众就小说中涉及的社会责任、道德、罪恶感、同情心、勇气、家庭、信仰等主题提出了自己的看法和疑问,并与作者和嘉宾进行了深入的探讨。

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Key Insights

Why did Oprah choose 'Small Things Like These' as her 109th book club pick?

Oprah chose 'Small Things Like These' because it was listed by the New York Times as one of the 100 best books of the 21st century and explores themes of social responsibility and morality.

What is the significance of the title 'Small Things Like These'?

The title signifies the accumulation of small actions and decisions that shape one's character and life, emphasizing the importance of empathy and kindness.

How does Claire Keegan develop the character of Bill Furlong in 'Small Things Like These'?

Keegan follows Bill Furlong's physical movements through time, believing that one's feet never lie, which leads to the truth of what they want and their emotions.

What impact did the story of 'Small Things Like These' have on Maureen Sullivan, a survivor of the Magdalene laundries?

Maureen Sullivan found validation and a sense of healing through the book and its movie adaptation, as it brought attention to the harsh realities she and others faced.

How do young women in Ireland view the themes of 'Small Things Like These'?

Young women in Ireland see the book as a reminder of recent historical injustices and a call to continue discussing and addressing the cultural taboos around women's experiences.

What message does Claire Keegan want readers to take away from 'Small Things Like These'?

Keegan believes that each reader's personal response to the book is valid and that the reader completes the story, making it a deeply personal experience.

Why does Claire Keegan think sadness is important for empathy?

Keegan argues that sadness fosters empathy by making individuals think about the lives of others, contrasting with the death of empathy that would result from a lack of sadness.

How has 'Small Things Like These' contributed to the ongoing conversation about the Magdalene laundries in Ireland?

The book and its movie adaptation have opened up conversations in Ireland, providing a platform for survivors like Maureen Sullivan to share their stories and for society to reflect on past injustices.

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Introducing Oprah’s Book Club: Claire Keegan & Small Things Like These from The Oprah Podcast.

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Small Things Like These) by Claire Keegan, published by Grove Atlantic and available now wherever books are sold, with the audio version also available here).

Oprah’s Book Club: Presented by Starbucks premieres with a New York Times bestseller which the newspaper named one of their 100 best books of the 21st century: Small Things Like These. Oprah sits down with award-winning author Claire Keegan at a Starbucks café to discuss this 109th book club pick. Joined by a live audience of readers - over coffee - Claire shares her writing process, takes questions, and explains some of the main themes in this modern masterpiece.

The heroic tale takes us on a journey of discovering what matters most in life and why it’s important to make brave decisions. Oprah will zoom with a woman in Ireland who experienced firsthand what the characters in the story encounter. We’ll also meet two Irish High School students who encouraged their entire class to read the book.

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Also referenced in this episode, "Girl in the Tunnel: My Story of Love and Loss as a Survivor of the Magdalene Laundries)" by Maureen Sullivan and New Decade Film's documentary, "Ireland's Dirty Laundry)."

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