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The Believers Part 1

2023/11/2
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一名专注于真实犯罪和社会问题的媒体人物和作者。
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Andrea Dunlop: 本集探讨了备受争议的Maya Kowalski案，并采访了犯罪分析师Laura Richards，讨论了Netflix纪录片中存在的复杂性和矛盾之处，以及人们对该案的不同解读。Andrea Dunlop表达了她对"虚假指控"的先有偏见，但她强调自己努力保持客观公正，并以研究和专家意见为基础形成观点。她还反思了自己是否错过了某些解释，并质疑自己的观点。她部分借鉴了Megan Phelps-Roper的观点框架，后者曾是西布罗巴普教教会成员，后因Twitter上的朋友而改变了极端信仰。Andrea Dunlop认为蓄意捏造或坚持虚假举报的情况极其罕见，并对关于虚假指控泛滥的叙事，尤其在Maya Kowalski案中，表示担忧。她曾试图联系一些持不同意见的人进行访谈，但他们都拒绝了。 Laura Richards: Laura Richards作为一名犯罪行为分析师，表达了她对该案的看法。她认为此案中存在医疗厌女症，女性的强势、直接和"难以相处"的行为容易被误解。她认为警方的调查中，Jack Kowalski多次有机会指责Beata，但他没有这样做。她还认为，即使相信存在代理型蒙恰森综合征，将母亲与孩子分开也是正确的做法，以观察孩子的症状是否消退。她认为医院开出的65万美金账单中，有17.5项与CRPS有关，而他们声称Maya没有CRPS，这有问题。她认为Maya的疼痛可能时有时无，这与CRPS的特征相符。她认为在绝望的情况下，父母可能会尝试非常规的治疗方法，即使存在风险。她还认为，即使Maya是受害者，她本人可能并不理解这一点，许多幸存者直到成年后才意识到自己曾遭受虐待。她认为此案中的模式与她之前见过的许多案件不同，但她仍在寻找可能存在的例外情况。她还认为幸存者是自身经历的专家，但并非他人经历的专家，不能将个体经验泛化。她认为调查中存在偏见，应该有更多了解CRPS的专家参与评估。她认为Maya被隔离的时间过长，这与法院的命令不符。她还担心对医生的不当指控会对医生举报儿童虐待行为产生寒蝉效应。 其他参与者: Megan Phelps-Roper的观点被引用，强调了通过友好的提问和幽默的方式与持不同意见的人交流的重要性。Jack Kowalski和Beata Kowalski作为案件当事人，他们的行为和陈述在讨论中被反复提及。Sally Smith医生和Stephanie Graham侦探的调查行为和报告内容也成为讨论的焦点。Jim Clemente作为Laura Richards的同事，参与了对该案的讨论。Dr. Kirkpatrick的医疗建议和行为也受到了质疑。

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In today’s episode, Andrea seeks an outside perspective on the controversial Maya Kowalski case. Laura Richards, host of Crime Analyst and cohost of the Real Crime Profile podcast, joins Andrea to talk through the complexities and contradictions of the Netflix documentary. The conversation reveals just how polarized interpretations of this case have become. With the verdict in the Kowalski v Johns Hopkins All Childrens looming, today we look at what’s been revealed by the both the vast amount of documentation on this case, as well as the trial unfolding before our eyes.  

Megan Phelps-Roper TED Talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/megan_phelps_roper_i_grew_up_in_the_westboro_baptist_church_here_s_why_i_left?language=en) 

The Witch Trials of JK Rowling: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-witch-trials-of-j-k-rowling/id1671691064) 

Crime Analyst: https://www.crime-analyst.com/)  

Real Crime Profile: https://www.realcrimeprofile.com/)  

Law & Crime Networks coverage of Kowalski v Johns Hopkins All Childrens:   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZTZxCMy8Oc)  

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