101: Jeffree Star on Dramageddon, Diddy, and making MILLIONS on Tiktok
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We really needed this. I am so happy. It's like just seeing you makes me really feel a type of way. It transports me to a really different time of my life. Having you as a guest, this is so iconic. I really love this one.

No, so when right when she said that it triggers really good memories I think maybe people look at us and they may think craziness drama right away But when every time we were together, it was always positive energy. So we filmed the funniest videos All we did was laugh the entire time. So it definitely brings me back to really good times It brings me back to good times because I was a fan at that time. So I feel like I was like And it was so cool at the time like looking like

You know, you just think you know everything when you're young like that. And it's like, I definitely was that. But looking back, it's like, I was like, I had no money yet. And I'm like this little make-a-wish child coming over to Jeffree Star's house. And Jeffree's dressing me head to toe in Gucci. And I'm playing with all the pinball machines. Yeah. It's roaming around, rest in peace. Aw.

How? You had one job. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. And all the Pomeranians and just like, you really. Oh my God. I was saying. I can't breathe. I'm sorry. Me just blazing over. No, but what's crazy is in that time I was newly rich.

2013, I had $500. 2015, $50 million. So it's just like... That's crazy. And then I just kept going and going and going and going and going. And it was a really wild ride. So Tana met me when I was in...

in love for the very first time in a brand new house, just figuring out who the new me was. And it was so cool to be around people that didn't give a fuck, that knew just how to have fun and didn't take me that serious because I'm so sarcastic. And I think people misinterpret it all the time. Fucking idiots. She said that before you came. She's like, we're the only two who have never had any sort of B for anything. She's like, that's just good. Yeah,

Yes. People may think that we've had drama maybe because we haven't seen each other in a while. People do get confused. No one knows the real truth about any of the past. I had to live it. So sadly, I remember it all. But me and her never. You have great memories. You never forget. And I love that because I'm so the opposite. I'll call you and just be like, wait, what happened again? Like, who's drama? Photographic memory. It's so great. Yeah.

But like I genuinely feel like at the time it was like a whirlwind like drama get and everything was happening around us and everyone had beef. You know what I mean? Except for you and me. We never did. It was a bonding point. Wendy Williams rest in peace. She's still alive but still rest in peace to her show.

Shoot Kim. I know. Shoot Kim. Clap if they, what did she say? Clap if they should die. Clap if they should suffer. Oh, fuck. I was close. You know what my first like random thought was today that I just like genuinely want to know? Like when is the last time you spoke to Shane Dawson? Oh my God. I was like, I was expecting a way crazier question. I was waiting for like, I

I was like, what is Tana's very first question? That's a really good one. Well, this is the foreplay, you know, before we start really fucking. I mean, listen, right now, I can't believe that the conspiracy palette is about to turn five years old this week. I just used it the other day in my hair, actually. That's so cool. Yeah, so I don't know when this is coming out, but, right, it's in the fall, and it literally came out November 1st, and...

then five years just blinked. Right. Yeah. Me and him, we were both canceled. Can't even remember why that time the pandemic happened. He moved to Colorado. I moved to Wyoming. We both kind of left LA. He lives here again. I'm never coming back. He lives here again? Yeah. I did not know that. Yeah. He's raising them. Yeah. When he had his kids. Yeah. So he became a father. I,

I have continued to just be a makeup mogul and I have no plans to have any kids, just more dogs and a couple more husbands. And athletes. Yes. We're in LA. I can't wait for this to be over so I can go get...

Oh my god. And my goals. Stop. What are you? Just kidding. I'm not. I'm not. Kidding meaning I don't want to leave here. I'll ask him how many Super Bowls he's won. Stop. And that's how many rounds you'll go. Yeah. If there's not a Super Bowl ring on the hand, I can't get hard. You are so inspirational. Yeah. Somebody clip that please. But we haven't seen each other probably in like 10, 11 months. Yeah. We started together at my birthday last year and then he became a father. He has twins. Wait. How old are they? Have you met the twins? Not yet. Oh.

That is so crazy. Because I thought he was going to stay in Colorado. And I was like, baby, I'm about to be, you know, great aunt Jeffrey Lynn. And then he moved to LA to raise the kids here. And I haven't seen him in a couple months. I can imagine coming back to LA to raise kids. I feel like you leave LA to raise kids. Yeah. It's nuts. That's what I thought. Leaving LA was the best thing you ever did. And you were so ahead of the wave. Everyone was so almost confused. And now Wyoming is a trend. And it's like, yeah. Ugh.

They think it is. So Wyoming, December is my four years of living there now. Just picture four years. Isn't that crazy? Stop it. It's so crazy. You and the yaks. I have so many yaks questions to look at there. LA, I was really burnt out. 20 years from, you know, I'm from Huntington Beach, California. I graduated high school at 17 and I moved here and I just figured it out.

I worked at the Beverly Center and I was an escort. I was a hooker. And I've been a makeup artist for everybody. So it was crazy to finally leave and separate. But I think that all the drama with all the people and the crazy YouTube era was really like the final straw for me of like, all this is so toxic. I really want to go be at peace away from it all. I can work and come back whenever I want, but I don't want to be around people

Yeah, fuck the hair gum. Yes. Fuck it all. 100%. All of it. It was all so crazy. And I think when the pandemic happened, remember that old lady, Tati? Remember her? Yeah.

She uploaded a second video, which is now about to be five years old. After Bye Sister. Bye Sister is such a diabolical title too. Imagine really typing that and hitting publish. Bye. It's a really wild journey. And I think a lot of people just know a lot of half-truths. And I think we lived it, so we really know the behind the scenes. And there's so many things that people don't need to know that happened before. To me, I don't want to say it's irrelevant because so many people still talk about it.

It's really wild. It was a cultural. I remember where I was. It was like, oh, wow. The YouTube era made on CNN 50 million views. It was the craziest thing. And everyone who loved it felt like it was. YouTube loved it. They loved pushing out toxicity. They loved making money off of everyone's misery. They did. The old CEO at the time really pandered to a lot of that evil energy in the darkness. Yeah, rest in peace.

Did she die? She did, yeah. It was probably from her James Charles karma. But anyway. Carry the four, subtract the two. Yeah, and there's just a lot of things that people don't know that I had to really just suffer through behind the scenes. So it's crazy to be here where I am now.

And what? It's very weird. I'm really mentally happy and I moved to Wyoming. I went to therapy. I sought a lot of mental help and I really worked on myself for years. So you're just going to say I sought a lot of help. A lot of a lot. The country boys. Oh my God. So Wyoming is the least populated state.

really yeah but it's the 10th biggest and is that what drew you like did you have any roots or history in Wyoming or what was the start where you were like property value was it money like I think so the the rumor is that I moved there for taxes like girl I've lived in California for so yeah and Connie remember that the girl that licked the toilet seat on TikTok made up the biggest rumor Ava Louise she's so good at that so Ava if you are watching this thank you for that moment that was really great the

So many millions and millions of views, dollars, followers. That was really fun. And you played it so well. And still people believe it. I've met strangers and they're like, oh yeah. Have you ever talked to Kanye about it? No. Never? That's surprising. Yeah. But we've just, it was such a bizarre rumor. And I'm like, I wish it was about someone hotter, you know? And someone that didn't have a wife and kids. Yeah, that's fair.

But Wyoming is peaceful. It's beautiful. Remember, I used to do music and I do music now. We just had a whole fucking reunion a couple of weeks ago. It's crazy. So fun. It was really fun. But I used to do music and I've traveled all over the country. Right. I've been to every single state and I passed through Wyoming a bunch. We played there once. It was just so peaceful. And I had a plan when I was older with gray hair and like 60 years old, I was going to live on a big old farm and just be by myself. And then the pandemic and all the drama made me realize I wanted to fast track that plan.

That's really what it's about. It's not about money. Yeah. I've paid so many tax dollars in this state. It's annoying that people would think that I would move to a different state to escape tax dollars. Yeah. Girl, you have all the money in the world. It's so silly. I don't even think that's that offensive though. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. But I just hate when people always make it about financial. I think maybe because I'm living. I don't think you needed really help in that department to be honest. No. And I just, I really did it for my mental health. So yeah.

We're four years in. And it worked? Yeah, and I'm raising camels and Tibetan yaks, and it's just the craziest, cool experience. The cable snake is one of the most elusive creatures in the world, especially when problems arise. Hello? I'm calling because my Wi-Fi seems to be out. Again. Another victim bitten by an outage. Okay, when will the tech be here? And just like that, the cable snake is nowhere to be found.

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Yeah. That was so fun. She goes, you have to hear these voice memos. And that was the first one. Every time I get a voice memo from you, I feel like I should have to pay like $1.99 for it. Thank you. Like it's not real. So when I'm living this crazy life and I'm on the road or I'm doing podcasts or I'm at the Crazy Warped Tour reunion or I'm whatever I'm doing,

I feel like I'm doing a job, but I'm still me. And then I go to Wyoming and I just take it all off. And I'm in my cowboy boots, just staring at a mountain, a thousand acres to myself. And it's just like so peaceful. Is it actually just you? Yeah.

That's crazy. So I have a ranch manager and I have a house manager. That's, you know, there's someone that watches my dogs 24-7, you know, when I'm not in town. How many do you have now? Seven. Oh. Yeah, seven. Is it still all the D names? All Ds, yeah. What are they? Well, rest in peace, my oldest passed away last year. Oh, I'm sorry. 15 years old, Diva Lynn. Diamond or Diva? Diva. Yeah, Diva. Oh my God, that was so hard. So hard, I can't imagine. So currently we have Drizzle. Yeah.

Donatella. Drama. Dessert. Dominatrix. And Da Vinci. Those are the best names I've ever heard. Da Vinci. And I'm forgetting one and I just can't believe it. Forgetting one is so funny. I get how that could happen.

If I woke up tomorrow as Jeffree Star's... Oh, no, it's delicious. I'm not forgetting one. I just had to go through the colors in my head. Delicious. If I woke up tomorrow as Jeffree Star's Pomeranian, I wouldn't ask a single question. I would be like, bring me my caviar. Let's get it pushing. I just love animals way more than humans. So what's up with the camels? I didn't even know that. I started with yaks. Yes. And I think a lot of people were upset when I moved to Wyoming and I was like, hey, these are my cute little pets. And they are, but they do grow to be very massive. And I went from three yaks to like 10 and now I have 500.

500? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 3 to 10 to 500? The problem with my brain is I always... It's giving $5 to 50 million. And I, for some reason, always make everything into a business and I don't mean to. I just kind of make everything business oriented. So I... It's my favorite thing about you. So I was traveling in Colorado, the state right below it, right? And...

This lady served us yak meat. Then I was like, okay, I've heard it. Yak's great in China and Pakistan. Yak meat is, it's the healthiest red meat you can currently have in America, right? I didn't know anything about it. What does it taste like? It's like a sweeter beef. It's so yummy. It's not gamey at all. That's our biggest question. And we sell jerky snack sticks, like crack on the TikTok shop. People are buying, yeah. People are buying yak on TikTok shop? Yeah.

Yeah, they are. Oh, shit. The fact that, like, imagine telling a Victorian child, like, I sell yak meat on TikTok shop. Yes, with mascara. So I created the concept a year ago of the Jeffree Star store, Makeup and Meat. And we opened up a... My two favorite things. If I have to keep it a buck. Same. So if you want to try Jeffree's meat, you can come to Casper. So bad. Or our newly opened location in Chatsworth, right here. I need to come to Wyoming.

You and I have been talking about that for like five years. I want to do a YouTube video where I just live the fantasy. I would love to. So I wanted to do, you know, as a makeup artist and someone that used to work in the malls as well, you always see women come in the store and their husbands or boyfriends immediately want to die. They're so bored. They don't know anything and they don't care and they're not interested. So they usually end up waiting around the store outside or just being on their phone. Cheating. That part. Oh, my phone just went off. Okay.

So I decided to create... The word cheating in your phone goes off like that's somebody's husband. Settings is texting me. So I created the concept to sell my entire brand, the skincare, the makeup, and all the yak meat. So we sell frozen meat, we sell jerky, we sell snack sticks, we sell summer sausage, all of it. Hickory Farms is out of business. There's taxidermy to look at. There's things to play with. So when the wives are getting mascara, the husbands can go try some jerky.

That's so smart. And it's really cool. And then I also have some of my car collection in there. It's like a museum. It's 7,000 square feet. We have to go. I at least need to see it. Yeah, it's really cool. It's in the heart of downtown. We have the best spot. So the husbands get to look at the car collection, taste the jerky, and their wives can shop. And they want to come back and give me more money. They all have a good experience. That's so smart. So the Yak...

Turned into pets And they're still my pets And I breed them for genetics Just if one's sassy We might make him a burger The mean ones go to the freezer Don't you wish there was Like the beauty community Yeah So bad I know I know But

But we wouldn't even want that meet. You were at all. You were cracking me the other day when you were. And I'm so. But I have to get messy. Jeffree Star is here. I don't give a fuck. When you were coming at Mikaela saying she had a Timu spray tan. I damn near passed out. I needed air. Like, and so because I'm Timu's like spray tan so coated. But like, you're just so funny. But you look like a normal human skin tone. Thank you. I mean, literally. Look at this though. Her spray tan. No, don't. Please don't show him that.

It looks like you stepped in oil, though. Like a...

Maybe you have like a good Jeffree Star remover, man. We do. Our makeup removing bomb. I think my problem is, is what started it is that... Mascara gate, right? Yeah, that was a year ago. And I can understand because obviously we were commenting on that. Should we get down and dirty about this? Because this only happened a couple days ago. Yeah, I am down to talk about it. I haven't really... I can understand how that would piss you off though in such a visceral way as someone who has been... You are known for being genuinely honest about quality of product and not scamming your followers and no one else is.

I'm like, I know all of that. I see these people. My main issue was, is a year ago. Well, first of all, we all know that I stepped down like 10 years of doing beauty content. I basically quit YouTube, right? I barely upload. Please come back. It was somewhere where I really found home and I really think drama get in whatever everyone wants to call it really was the final straw for me. Like I really want to remove

Sucks when something makes you hate something you love. That part. Yes. So when I went to TikTok, I wasn't fully immersed in it. Because remember during the pandemic, I was like, nope, we're still full YouTube. You don't want to let go of that too. But also I felt as I was getting older, I didn't want to make content that I didn't enjoy. And people were just dancing all day.

the dances uh huh renegade and I have never done a dance back then I never did a dance I never did this little skit I never did choreography with anyone and I just felt like wow this is where social media is at I've been on

line for 20 plus years, like 10th grade till right in the second. And I was not inspired. I was so bored of the dancing. So as the app started to evolve into more beauty and more content and fun lip syncing stuff and quick beauty transitions, I was like, oh, who's on this space? And I had heard of her. Obviously, I know who she was. We had spoken before. And I think it's the integrity of the app that people don't care about the integrity anymore. I think that's really to the core of it of what's shocking to me. The audience is

Knows she's a liar. Doesn't care. And they like watching the train wreck. And I'm sure she does have hardcore fans that do believe her and buy the stuff that she's saying is great. Yeah, it would have never slid back in the day. Like, remember when Jaclyn Hill had hair in her lipstick and people were like actually dying? They wanted her to die. Yes. They literally wanted to cancel her forever. So it's crazy. And now it's like everyone can do anything. Yes. So when the mascara thing happened, it inspired me to get back to full-time reviewing. And I've never let up since that day.

And I've just been inspired ever since. And I love TikTok. I like that I can film it myself. Remember Christian, my video guy? We love him. We're about to see him this week finally. But I don't have a videographer anymore. I don't film YouTube videos that need to be edited for hours. You know, I film a review and I move on.

And I, no one will ever review product like you. Yeah. Because I feel like you're unbiased probably because I feel like you're not money motivated because you've got it. I feel like the beauty community, especially like you make so much more money in makeup videos than any other. And Michaela, obviously I don't know her exact dollar amount, but I know the brand deals I was getting and I know what it's worth now. And it's astronomical. And if the typical viewer knew how much money she was making off of telling the truth or lying, they would really throw up in their mouth.

Yeah. So I was very offended by the lack of integrity and the not acknowledging it. I really think that her and L'Oreal had a deal or whether she lied or... We all know she lied. She put on a false lash. Ardell Whiskey. What was the approval process? But she never acknowledged it. And I think L'Oreal got a really great viral moment and they were thankful for it, whether it was staged or not. We'll never know. I've asked her in a DM to...

respond to me of how it happened she refused to respond to that looking back a year later the mascara is great she didn't need to lie and she didn't need to put on the falsie and whether it was a marketing scheme or she actually got caught in a lie we'll never know because she won't acknowledge it so the other day so i do live stream on tiktok now let's talk about that because i be scrolling a lot and i see a lot of people hating on um other creators me so yeah i just have

I gotta put this out on the record Let's hear it bitch Come on Apologize Come on Here's what I'm gonna say Okay I It is And I stand on this Seeing Jason Ash Panhandle Was maybe one of the highlights Of my year Hilarious The trajectory of the You know Cheers to the fall Of the Dobrik alumni Right It is wild As a viewer To see someone That was so far up David's ass Just sit on TikTok In their kitchen Yes And you know Obviously like Hi Yeah

It's just, it's all insane. And I stand on that and I see, I just see so many people who have like flocked now resorting to that. But then I opened my fucking For You page and there's Miss Jeffrey Lynn in a battle with four people in middle America. So clearly there's something we're missing and I need to know what it is. And I'm like, wait, because now I'm like, did I fuck up? Did I go too far against this? Because we're doing it. Exactly.

If you're doing it, some people are going to start stitching you together. Am I missing out on a business opportunity? Suddenly I want a galaxy. So you, that's only $10, but. Have you seen me? I've been tipping you. It's my new bit. It's so fun. I've been going in Jeffrey's life. So let's deep dive into it real fast. Yes. Why do you think, before I answer any questions about me, why do you think people are so triggered by Jason and make a joke of it?

I feel neither way. I think it's funny. There's no, it doesn't matter. There's 60 year olds that cook on live stream and they're making a lot of money. I think. And that feels wholesome to me. That's, it's not, that's no longer funny. But here's, but I'm going to answer your question. Even though I asked her the question, I'm going to answer it. So fucked up. Only child and Scorpio. No. I love it. I love it. And 80% sociopathic. And save me from answering like, I love 80%. 80%. Yeah. I'm like 20, 30, 40.

So the problem is he doesn't do anything. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. If you're cooking, it's one thing. You're begging children to swipe their parents' cards. And they are children. And all of the things that he's done wrong over the years. Now, you do legally have to be 18 or up to gift. Really? You do. Whether, yes. Can they tell though? No. Well,

I've been 18 since like 11 on like MySpace. I can't breathe. But I think the problem is I am an internet dinosaur. So my logic, because people are, you know, majority people get it.

Cause I am an e-commerce store. So my Tik TOK page minus all the fun lip syncs and makeup reviews, I am a e-commerce store, right? So when I go live, a lot of the times I am selling products for hours. QVC is what our parents used to watch when we were little kids. They turn it on. There are some old ladies showing off a diamond bracelet. Right. 79 99. Absolutely. And, and, or the face cream and the Mary Kay and all that. So now it's Tik TOK. And if,

If anyone's making fun of me, they're a fucking fool because this is the future of beauty. 100%. So we'll get into the battling and what else the app has to offer. Yes. But I, at the core of what I do, if people don't know, because there's new people that are going to watch that maybe don't know who I am. Everyone knows who you are. TikTok is, I was trying to be modest. Fuck. No humility here. But like, it's really, people are there. There's, I mean, 3 million people go live a day. Mm.

And there's millions and millions of people. Yeah. Whether they have one viewer or 10,000, that app is booming and they make so much money off these creators, but we are a store. So when I'm live selling, whether I'm with a co-host or I'm by myself, I mean, people are ordering. I give really crazy discounts that you're never going to see on my site. I was in there last night. I was like, he's handing out free pallets. Yes. Buy a pallet, get a pallet free. And it's only for that five hour moment. Wow.

One time a week. You gotta fucking be there or you're not gonna get it. And there's a lot of people that don't even watch my TikToks, don't know we do deals. So it's a niche market, but it's massive. The money is there. It's huge. We sell products. We are the number one or two beauty store. This week, number one. Again, he...

on the number one app in the world. I'm so proud of it. At the end of the day, you make the best makeup. So then let's switch to... I'm also an internet character. I've been around for a long time. I want to learn everything. Just like the YouTube and the beauty world, I fucking immersed myself and I took that bitch over. So I'm like, okay, what are the daily ranks? What are people doing? People...

We'll do a six hour face paint on Tik TOK. They'll battle for 12 hours. I have a friend. What is a battle? Should I ask that before? Yeah. I don't know if I completely understand. So yes. So I live for you. So when people, I don't get called a panhandler cause I'm a, I'm a real business and I show people how to make money on the app and it's really great. You can really make, make a really good income.

My friend's mom cooks all day and she makes money just cooking. Instead of working as an insurance agent, she now makes way more money, five times the amount per month,

People are watching her cook and gifting and engaging with her. And her chat really loves her. And people really engage and they come view you every day. I probably go live four or five times a week. People look forward to it. It's entertaining. What do I do on live? I'll make bacon in the morning and make $50,000. I mean, you're so fucking entertaining. There's money there, yes. $50,000? $50,000 a live? So that's what I'm going to say. Whether people want to say I'm a... I don't get called a panhandler.

I think that the problem... You're not giving panhandling? I think if we were to do it, we might be panhandling. Because we don't have a business. That like, we're not driving people to buy from our business the way that he is. You know what I mean? So it's like, if we were to do it, we're not making $50,000. Well, we're close. Are you making that in sales or in gifting? Both. Oh. It depends. So there's some times where I don't know. No, no.

know there's some times where i don't sell at all and i'll just make bacon in my kitchen in my bathrobe in my little slippers mink louie and um i was waiting for it i was i knew it was going we'll just hang out and i'll just chat and i'll do a q a and i'll just talk about my vegas trip and what i did and and people will gift and support but i'm also known as one of the biggest gifters on the app

So if you deep dive and open up the live, everyone has a gift or badge number by their name. So I'm not, we all know I give back and I've been giving back since the day I was blessed to ever have a dollar, right? So I support small creators. I'll go in and I'll drop $5,000 on someone that's sleeping in their car on live. And like, I love to give back, right? Always. So the battling world is really interesting. So what I'm getting is I can cook bacon. I can do a, so I also do my makeup reviews live.

So all the TikToks you see, I film those live. These brands, I just know they're shaking. Oh, they do. I tag them every time. The Milani CEO has their asshole clenched. Yes, no, they do. Yeah. They sit there. I was reviewing Rare Beauty last month. Selena Gomez came in the chat and she sent me her first ever GIFs.

I was like, it was sickening. Yeah, it was sick, bitch. Yes. Slamming the credit card. Like, please love my blood. So what I do now is YouTube days, right? I would go film for a couple hours. Christian would have to drive home, edit it, show me a preview, upload their YouTube video, do the thumbnail, do the description. Girl, we're in a different fucking time now. No one's attention spans are like that, right? So I just filmed a video and I'll do it live.

So I'm live streaming on the iPad, filming it on my phone. And I'll just be like, trying new Rare Beauty Powder. Girl, they're all glued to the screen like, oh my God, is he going to hate it? Is he going to... Yeah. And it's really engaging and people gift while I'm sitting there. And I've made myself a part of the daily ranks now. Me and Soulja Boy are the only celebrities on there. And he makes a killing... What's Soulja Boy doing? Killing it. Making money. Oh my God.

Oh, good. Like Miss Lynn, yeah. Oh, I'm going to be live on TikTok tomorrow. It's so fun. But you have the personality. A lot of people make no money and they sit there all day and they just kind of don't do anything and they have like 10 viewers. And I just...

I can't. I'm going to try harder. I clicked that, but you have to be in the mood. Like you're entertaining. And it's, you know, one of my friends, she makes, you know, six figures a month and that's her entire job is battling and being a makeup artist. So the, so TikTok created battles where you could join the screen with a one V one or two V two, like me and you versus two other people. I'm sure you've seen the clips of Jason with on a four way or, or one versus one. And essentially, and that's, this is where a lot of people, it's a, it's not,

controversial to me at all but to normal folks you know controversial it is controversial that two people are sitting on a screen and strangers are throwing money at them and whoever makes the most money that battle you obviously both get the money but whoever gets the most points which essentially is dollars you win that match oh tick tock has made a human video game they are geniuses yeah America is so threatened they want to try to remove this app because it's whatever they're saying it is it's like no do you think I would die

I don't know. That's the scary part. I really don't know. We're in a very scary time, right? Oh my God. The lights would go off. I would kill myself. The world's fucked. I would just be stupid. I feel like everything that I know today is because of TikTok. Like I'm learning so much. And I think the government may not want us to learn all of those things. Making everybody too powerful. Because you can type it in. Here's the trick. Want to get really fucking wacky? People don't like this at all. All you got to do is search TikTok.

Have we ever been to the moon? Why is that such a hot topic? Yeah. Of course we fucking haven't.

I know. I agree. I don't think we've ever been to the moon. Can I say that? Of course you can. Anyone with common sense could tell. I don't think we've ever been to the moon. Who the fuck was just fighting me on this? So here we go. So that we have to stray away from that because we'll go down that rabbit hole way too long. But the problem is, is to America, it's not a problem. It's education. And you can now go in and see old clips that old people are finding and they're uploading to the app and old footage of things from the seven. And you can really learn and see, oh, wow.

Like this is all her shit. And people don't want that. And they don't. Even this Menendez brother shit. I think if it wasn't for TikTok, they even have a retrial. Same with Free Britney. TikTok and Twitter got that bitch. Gypsy Rose blanchered. Because of the internet. It is crazy. Gypsy Rose went live with me. Tell now. Did she battle you? No, we just had a good conversation. People kept being like, she wants to collab. And I'm like, Jeffree Star Cosmetics is not collabing with a murderer.

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I need to, I need like a list of iconic things you say on today's episode. That's one. I want her on canceled regardless. So bad. But I need to, I like do this. So here's my issue. I'm very sarcastic and I battle and I'm live all the time. I say really crazy, funny jokes. I should have been a comedian, right? So we go, so we go live together. We have, we have a good time. I'm not going to collab with her. She's like, I don't know if she's hinting at it, but like, and she's also learning tech talk and imagine you're in prison for so long and the phone is so new.

Oh my God. It's like, it must be such a trip. Imagine what that even feels like. So my issue is, is that she thought I was all great. And then a couple of weeks later, someone sends her a clip of a joke I made unfollow. She can't handle the humor. Oh, boring. Mm hmm.

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That's all of the media. You want to really switch and be bipolar? Why did her second video hit so hard? I loved this. I loved this transition. We went straight from Dixie Wilson to Tati. I want to ask you. Why did her second video? Woman to man. When she... Yes, bitch. I want to know. I've never asked anyone this question because you're making me... Tati Westbrook's second video. Yeah, you're making me reflect on a lot. What was the title of the second video before I speak on... Oh, God.

God. In the second video, she's blaming you and Shane for influencing her to make the first video. So here's the thing. Just for the record, I don't feel like I need to prove myself to anyone ever, but I don't think or talk about these things often. Mm-hmm.

So when I do, a lot of memories flood in. I've put a lot of this behind me. I don't think about it. It was a very dark time. And my question is all, and I've never got to ask anyone this, even as a fan or a viewer, because we're both viewers of what all happened, even though I was a part of it. Why do you think her second video hit? Did they just want me and Shane to be the villain for the hundredth time? I think people, even just the viewers watching, the fans of Dramageddon happening, were...

by the idea of all of YouTube's hierarchy being, even, I don't want to compare it to anything that's like happening right now in the media with like the Diddy stuff, but people are glued to the idea of the takedown of a hierarchy of anything. Like all the Kardashians, everyone that's going to be taken down with Diddy. People, people love to see that. I was never there, by the way. I like straight rappers. I was never there. I was never there. Yeah.

That's honestly a good spot to clarify. I was going to ask you that. I think what was bizarre is me and Shane, and I've never even said this on camera before, we were busy filming the conspiracy documentary. We were filming for 10, 11 months how to create a product, our lives, all the newness of my life, my love life, my dogs, my exponential growth of my channel. The fact that anyone believed that we were bored to try to ruin someone's life on the side when we're living our dreams, our

financial dreams are, I mean, the viewers were so crazy. It was the biggest, most exciting thing me and him have ever done career wise and the most successful. I couldn't believe I woke up and people believed that

I'm the villain for the hundredth time. I couldn't believe it. But do you think there was like a convenience in like you guys being so powerful at that time and like putting it on you guys? That's what I wanted to ask you. Sorry, let me be quiet. So what do you think? She was always threatened as well. Like even just with the sugar bear hair, like all of that, like James, my gummy, this, it felt like she was insecure in her spot.

I was going to say, I thought that to be strange. Like, I think about it now and like if I had like a hat brand and then Tana stepped out in like a different hat brand because they're sending her to Coachella, I'd be like, it's a lie. Yeah, who gives a fuck? I didn't understand like why it was such a serious thing. I guess like people are different. No, but it's... For it to be that serious that you hold a grudge that makes you make a bi sister video, I was like... But then she got me with the ethos. There was a lot more to it. Do you also just think she was dumb and just straight up did not know how...

Damaging it was. Maybe the first video and then was manic. I think she's one of the worst people I've ever met. So I'm not trying to say anything for her. I don't know if I've ever met her. But it was more than the gummies. I think when you're telling a stranger, if you were to tell a stranger the story, the gummies seem to be like people's catalyst of like, this was the root. When in reality, it was very anecdotal. It was way more than that. And we were all spending a lot of time together. We learned a lot of things about...

Yeah. It was just a lot of things. Yeah. And me and Tati traveled with James and we really saw. And you did it at my birthday dinner. Yes. Were you at the birthday dinner? Yeah. I was sat right next to him. I was here. James was there. What, what happened from Jeffrey Lynn's eyes? It's funny. It's a crazy meme of this because of her. No one ever heard my version. They just hear it. They saw Tati's video. The birthday dinner. What actually happened at the infamous birthday dinner? It was the height of.

it was her birthday so it was like her friends and family and a lot of normal people not youtubers not people with a lot of money and to me it was that height of James's new fame new money going batshit crazy and not knowing how to handle it all and it turned him into a monster or he already was that and the money amplified it and he really thought I have money

You're going to sleep with me. It was very disgusting. It doesn't matter who you are. You want him. Mm hmm.

you hear that creek that's loud and and that had been weeks of build up of the ego getting so dark and crazy and just so many weird things and stories coming out to us and really bizarre things and the dinner was him at his most disgusting and there was a 19 year old waiter who he tricked into his room later that night and the guy said he wanted to leave and james was like i i paid for this

You have to hook up with me. I bought the room. But everyone just makes it about sucking and the memes and her stupid ass video. But it was really as someone that was there.

and i'm all about shock value i'm crazy it was just disgusting to witness because it's one thing to say something shocking for the best to his family there and we all know we're shocking and we can say whatever we want but when you're at that environment you don't say crazy it was all just too much and it just bubbled up crazy and we all flew home just horrified by this person disgusted and i think she really felt like in her heart that exposing him as a

Predator and all these things was going to teach him a lesson and remove him from the platform. It really wasn't about gummies. I think that was the start of it because to me, the gummies was loyalty. I'm going to speak for her stupid ass. Talk to you. I'm

I'm going to say, let me say, let me say one thing for you before you die. You fucking old witch. I just wish more people would come on canceled. She is one of the darkest people. One of the darkest people I've ever met. I don't think I've ever met her. She got me with the, like the guys of being like, you know, this like,

A sweet older woman. She's a middle-aged woman. Yeah. No, I'm only being funny because people will say I'm age-shaming. We're really close in age. No, but it was... I'm not age-shaming. Her aesthetic, though. No, her aesthetic was the mother of YouTube and why would she be a part of any drama and da-da-da. Because she found out a lot of stuff about him. She knew he was evil and she wanted to remove him. But I... Yeah. But The Gummies was about loyalty. Mm-hmm.

So I think back then it was bizarre because we all kind of had each other's backs. We were all promoting each other. We all, but it was organic. It wasn't like,

It was just like, we all know that she's going to come out with a beauty line. I'm going to be the first one to let y'all know it's fucking amazing if it is. And I just think that it was bizarre for him to take a quick check when he was raking in so much money to promote something when he did her makeup at the wedding. So it was bizarre to switch up and not promote her products. I did think it was interesting. Okay. Yeah.

Because they were deep rooted. And we're very different. Like, it's like, you know what I mean? They're in Hawaii and he's doing her makeup at the wedding. Like, she deeply immersed herself with this kid and then found out later on, wow, this

I think he's evil. Chucky. So yeah, I guess, I guess I get like why she'd be hurt. I don't know. I experienced it like firsthand as a, like completely removed, like bystander. I was, I, every single video was like, okay, wait, maybe I believe this person. Like now I believe. And that's what it ended up becoming is this just cluster. No one knew. Spider web of, and we're over here. Like we just launched the biggest makeup collection and makeup history. The most,

pallets sold in one hour in one day me and shane dawson what two dudes like that's so crazy and beautiful on the documentary the second one right both of them were such massive hits and i couldn't believe we're in the middle of a pandemic and it's all these crazy things happening with our culture and the planet and earth and the presidency and everyone's angry they wanted me and shane to be the villain do you think it hurt it hurt your like launch or do you think it helped

The launch had already happened. It had already happened. Yeah, so this is... So November 19. Do you believe in, like, too close to the sun? Like, do you believe that when people fly too close to the sun, like...

you know what I mean? Like what we got too successful. Yeah. Do you just believe in that? Like karmatically, like, you know what I mean? With me and Shane specifically from the dawn of Tumblr to my space to this very moment, this has been our careers for some reason. Right. And I feel that on a smaller scale. Both different ways. Yes. Same. And it's the rollercoaster of she's the villain. They're awful. They're this. Nevermind. They're great. We were wrong. And it's just been over and over.

And I feel like it's- And it is so crazy mentally. Like, I see why you would go to Wyoming for your mental health. Because even I struggle with that so heavily. I couldn't wake up here anymore. Trying to find a way to be calm while on that roller coaster. I always use that analogy. Like, I've learned how to, like, fall asleep on a roller coaster. Yeah.

Like emotionally. We were used to it. We woke up every day not knowing what was going to happen. That fear of like, what's going to happen today? It was awful. So I just couldn't believe that we woke up and people believed it. It was crazy to me. And then it all just got so big and it's on the news and it's on CNN and it's just everywhere. Do you ever hate that... I guess Shane's cancellation, he ended up having another one later, right? And like the cat stuff and whatever. Our situations were so different. Do you hate that he left the internet though? Do you hate... Like some people would argue that it...

Defeated him Do you wish it Do you know what I mean Do you wish he And I I partially agree I took a few weeks off And was like What did I do Yeah I'm not a bad person I didn't try to take down James Charles I haven't talked to Tati In months He weaseled his way back in And got her to make a video About us To try to Get back at us

Oh, you think he was behind video too? Yeah, that's what she's told people. Yeah, that he manipulated her. It's also, these people are so twisted. But your memory is so great. And I wasn't a part of any of it. That's the problem. But you got dragged on. You were strapped on. So now we're five years later. You're telling me that me and Shane called her on the phone and coerced her into making...

This has to be a joke. That's what I'm like. How could anyone believe that was real? Would you ever? I'm over here like living my fucking rock star dreams. We're opening up Morphe stores around the fucking world. There's 30,000 people coming to these malls while I'm doing the ribbon cut. I don't give a fuck about anyone but my empire. Everything's growing. We have fucking, I mean, it was all so beautiful and I couldn't believe they wanted to ruin it all because we got so successful. The two underdogs. Mm-hmm.

became the biggest. We went to Walmart, 50 million views. It was untouchable. And they were so mad that the two fucking f***ers won. It's so crazy. It's crazy. Yeah. And yes, so to answer your question, I am upset that Shane disappeared for over a year. He's, I don't know. He couldn't handle it mentally. I don't know. I'm not, I don't want to speak for him, obviously. I would love to get him on this couch. He's a really great speaker. Have you, have you invited him here?

I've like hinted at it. I think I'm going to cold open ask him again. Maybe I'll be like, Hey, Jeffrey, I feel like you're going to be helpful. Like we'll just stay silent when this is over. But it would have, yeah, it's if he, but I don't think he wants to talk about any of this. Yeah, that's true. And I think maybe, yeah, it's just, there will never the good stuff and the bad stuff. I think that the way that the internet is now, tick tock, the short form content, there will never be a time like that again, where singular YouTube videos are like,

I think, why do you think people are so obsessed with all of our old clips? Even the ones with the alleged. Yeah. With James, that Jack in the box video. It's so funny because I want to go back and rewatch that video. They were really good. Great times. I love that video. I don't remember that night. I remember you putting the Gucci shirt on. It's all so fucked. Like, do you like, what was our vibe? Cause I was reading comments the other day of people saying the tension's kind of palpable, right? Like between all of us. And I like,

I just don't remember that night, but I always see clips. We saw each other as mutuals and he wanted to be the star of the show and he was younger and this was all so new to him and we were just there to fucking laugh and be wild and silly. And that's why we always had the best chemistry on camera. Do you think that, well, I was going to ask a stupid question. I was going to say, do you think his age has anything to do with it? Like coming into success so quickly, but you did the same thing. You were really young when you, but everyone handles it differently. And I think the ego is his worst enemy. And I don't want to sit here and harp about this fucking suck my own

But I do think my leading emotion genuinely from my career from the day it started to now has always been gratitude and shock. I was going to say that. You didn't feel any sense of entitlement when everything was given to you because you had had nothing. She was always very humble. And it saved me. You didn't feel like you deserved everything that you got. Yeah, it saved my life. I was like, how the fuck?

Did this anomaly happen to me and get me out of this like that he grew up with loving parents and money and yeah You know what? I mean, it's it's very different when yeah I feel like somebody like that like kind of just feels like Deserving when when they find the success that they like want it 50% or more times when somebody becomes super successful the city's evil Yeah, the infamous cable snake. It's one of the biggest snakes out there now you gotta be extra cautious with cable snakes because they like to hide and

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How do you feel now walking around LA? Uninspired. Yeah. I agree. I used to just hit Sunset Boulevard and just be like, wow. And it was all like, it was just so many hopes and dreams here. And the city used to be so beautiful. And fun. It was genuinely fun and cool to be a part of. What do you think went wrong?

That's a big question. It's a great question. Yeah, it's a really great question. Thank you. For some reason, it was like the 2020, like 2020, 12, 2012. Yeah. That I don't know. Remember when like everyone just stopped being funny.

That's when the cancel culture really started to creep in and no one was allowed to say jokes anymore. And phones just like I had. And the phones blew up. What was it like being out in L.A. with Paris Hilton and a flip phone? Good God. The best. Yeah. Me and Paris Hilton and Kelly Osbourne at the Spider Club. And we have our fucking T-Mobile sidekicks. I miss my little. And it was just such a different time. It was so fucking cool. I genuinely think that I should have been in that time. It was epic. And I was really young.

So that's when I was I was her age back then I was 19 years old Doing Kelly Osbourne's makeup And going to all the clubs With the fake ID And the pink mohawk And just fucking like It was all so new and crazy But how lucky you were To experience it Because it's so many people now Like that's what you come to LA for And it's just not here It's not I remember the last time You and I went out We went to Bootsy Bellows This is probably like

like three or four years ago and you and I were having a night like it was 2012 and I remember you and I just looking at each other and looking around and you were like fuck this shit like this shit used to be you know like it was it used to be so fun and I just I don't know

It's just weird. So it's weird that TikTok is here. And all those old people that we've been talking about, we've had each other blocked forever. So are they running TikTok? I heard Tati's trying to do live stream. It's flopping. I don't know. I've never seen it. Yeah. And James has a makeup line now, a hundred years later. Oh. I guess only because I'm the queen of reviewing and so many people have been like. Have you reviewed Painted? Yeah.

I can't review. It would be so viral. I really, yes, it would. But at the end of the day, it's a Patrick Ta ripoff. There's nothing new or inspiring about it. The packaging of his blushes are identical to Patrick Ta and Tom Ford. It's boring. It's really uninspiring from what I've seen. Who does inspire you?

Who's makeup lines? Tell me what you... What's Jeffree Star approved? What's getting you going? My favorite thing is I love that whether it's celebrity or fashion, makeup artists have makeup lines. Pat McGrath, number one. Fucking amazing, right? I love Pat McGrath. I used to be...

little kid opening up magazines to shoot and all her makeups were there. Interview magazine, the full fucking rainbow eye and I'm like, oh my God. So people like her, Patrick Ta, Makeup by Mario. I love that artists get to have their own brands now versus all these dumb celebrities. Everyone around the corner. Listen, it's worked for Gaga. She's genuine, right? Selena Gomez, huge hit. Some of these people, JLo skincare line. Bless her heart. JLo is a skincare.

I don't think anyone's bought it but her assistant. No one knows about it. Selena Williams. Serena Williams? Serena. I gotta go. No, me correcting you is also just as if I was scared to say it. Just because we said Selena Gomez. No, no, no, no, no, no. Serena Williams launched a line in Ulta, a makeup line. None of y'all have tried it or heard of it, have you? It's like tennis ball packaging. It's all hot green. Is it?

Like tennis balls. At least she's committed to her. But did you know it existed? No. Exactly. And I feel like I couldn't miss talking. But you're a consumer. Even though we get our makeup done, I'm still a consumer and I do my own makeup all the time still and I love buying products. I'm not on all the PR lists like the other girls. I'm on half. I'm on half. I get you. Do you think you just get marked off every time you say something bad about a product? No, no, no, no. There's brands that they love the critiques and they can handle it and there's a core, there's core people like Elf and Patrick Ta and people that...

They're not afraid of the pretend controversy of, ooh, whatever. They just, they want to know my opinions. Yeah. I think you're a pussy if you have a makeup brand and you don't want Jeffree Star to honestly review you. Hello? Do you find it hard ever to like be innovative after everybody's done everything it feels like? Um, I think my approach to things are always so different that it's always fun. So,

So for the very, so we're about to turn 10 years old and mom black Friday. Isn't that crazy? 10 years of JSC. Yeah. It's wild. I know. Are you going to do something special for your 10 years? Yeah. You come into the party. Absolutely. It's in LA. So you guys have to come. Oh, and I'll come fuck these bitches up. You know, I love it. I love it. I think my approach makes things really fun. I've never put out eyebrow products. Right. So I grew my eyebrows back. Uh, it's been two years now. We have eyebrow. Thank you. This is my natural eyebrows. They look great.

The whole time she knew me, I've had him shave since 10th grade. So we have eyebrow products next year. So it's like, well, how can you make an eyebrow pencil new? New shape, different packaging, different formulas. So like, I love it. I'm, I feel like I started the brand yesterday and we're 10 years in and I'm just like a little kid. I'm just like Willy Wonka.

That's so funny. Yeah, I love it. It's special. I get really giddy. I love formulating. I love flying to the labs and touching the flame. That helps is just being like actually. So hands on. And the formula with your personality is so prevalent in your brain. Even just because I told you I opened my conspiracy palette the other day and I was dying. Yes. It's such a good palette. You gave me a shade crying on the couch. It's the same color as the couch I cried to Shane Dawson on.

So I was crying about TanaCon to Shane Dawson on this tan couch and they made an eyeshadow that was the same color as the couch was Hunter's couch. Um, and I opened up the other day and I was like, and it's a great fucking crease color. Talk about blending with crying on your couch. Talk about wearability, honey. And then popping Trisha on the list, sweetie. So you and Trisha, you know, I fucking love Trisha. I love Trisha. The people I have made it out of that time with you, Trisha, it's, it's,

It's a beautiful bond that you cannot recreate, right? And you guys have had a roller coaster of a friendship. Haven't seen her in almost five years. And you're about to. Yeah, we're about to have a reunion. I'm going to put this out later because I'm not trying to compete with that moment. Or maybe before. Who knows? Yeah. This could be like a... The build up. But yeah, we haven't seen each other in a long time. I think a lot of her new fans think I'm the devil. Love that.

But the OG fans that watched both of us knew that at the heart of it all, there was really no drama. It was just a lot of speculation and other people chiming in and just a lot of ugliness. But we had the best times together. I rewatched some of our old clips. Oh my God. They're like ours. They're so iconic. I can see you guys with the damn pink Bentley right now. Me and Esther, the drive-thru at Taco Bell, her sticking her head out the window, screaming like so good. Yeah.

I'm excited as fuck to see you guys together. Here's something really crazy. I haven't had Taco Bell in four years. What? Yeah. I don't eat fast food anymore. I'm about to check your pulse. I quit. That's all you and me would do. That makes me horrible. I know, but it's so good. Yes. Now you're making yak tacos. I know. I don't want to be like a preacher of all that, but like, I think when you step, but when you step away, my brain chemistry and how I think feels better from quitting fast food is

That's the most gag thing you've said to me on this couch. Like, what do you mean? Eating meat from an animal that's raised outside eating grass only versus being pumped full of things. I mean, like McDonald's hamburgers aren't even, it's not even real meat. It's like mealworms. And we all know that and do it anyway. Yes, because we're conditioned since birth. Our parents have been feeding us Fruit Loops with red dye in it. The same dyes. I know those chicken nuggets are hot pink paste. Like, and

We've made it funny where we don't care. Right. So the same pigments that are in the blood sugar pilot are in Fruit Loops. And you want a bowl right now. You fucked. The thing is, if you cut me open right now, I'd probably bleed red 40. Like it is. I just said that there's Twinkies in my purse right now. Like I have. Do you want to share one? I'll eat one. I love being filled. Right. You are a Twinkie, babe. I am. Even though I'm old, I'm not a Twink. I'm a Twinkie.

I love that. I've always said that. But like, wait, so what made you stop? Are you like me? I'm very like, even with alcohol, with anything, I'm cold turkey. Well, I just kind of stepped away and I started eating really healthy out there. And my neighbors have chickens and we're eating eggs from the chickens, not from Albertsons. I guess I have no gauge. Let's go ahead and out right now. I've never gone without it, so I almost don't know how I would feel if I like never consumed anything like that. But it's like, you know how people say like, oh, you feel better if you work out. And everyone's like, I don't.

I'd probably feel so much better. And then you work out and you feel amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know I would feel better. It's that way too. So I'm not saying I won't go have In-N-Out right now, but I just... That doesn't count. Taco Bell, McDonald's, uh-uh. Mm-hmm.

I should stop. I really should. And now McDonald's has the E. coli scandal. I know, but it's only like in other states. Oh, like Wyoming. Oh. What'd you say? Like Wyoming. Oh, no way. Oh, two people in Casper, Wyoming where I live got E. coli from the McDonald's 20 miles from my ranch. The Big Mac E. coli collab is crazy. That is crazy. Collab is crazy. Crossover. Yeah. That's crazy. I never thought I'd see the day that you were not eating fast food. Like that's just, I associate so many of our best memories.

I want to do a yak mukbang though YouTube culture is Me and you eating fast food Me and Trisha at fucking every fast food place Um

And it's just the yak meat's so good. Let's do a barbecue cookout. We should. So if you come to Wyoming, there's six restaurants that serve the Jeffree Star yak meat. Really? Isn't that cool? And I never eat like, that's the thing. I'll eat actual chicken paste. That's so cool. And then it's like, I'm like scared to try yak. It's like, babe. I know. I have a hard time because any animal that I haven't tried yet, I'm like, oh, I feel guilty. But then it's like, I love the little videos. Do you blur this out? Do you blur this later? I should. I should.

But I'm always vaping. It's so funny. The other day she was apologizing to Brittany Furlan like dead ass serious and I'm vaping and the smoke's just crossing over. Yeah, I look like I have a fucking smoke machine on me. I don't know. I shouldn't make those jokes. Why not? That's what I'm saying. I thought I was being funny. Right. It can't be funny these days. No, you can. It's a good debt for you to have Jeffrey Starr here, I think, just to show you that you can say whatever. You can be funny and sometimes people have orange skin.

Team you orange hands. That's a really, I just said it on a live. I didn't even do a video. I didn't do anything. I was just live streaming. Like I always do. I was freestyling and people were asking me questions and I was just like, you guys, these people have me blocked. I don't know what they're doing. And then I saw my friend Patrick taught launched an eyeshadow duo. People wanted to try to drag him for the price.

So silly. I did see that. So Michaela, who did an elf collab, this is what started this this week, tried to compare a $4 moment to a $42, basically saying it's comparable when it's not. I simply reviewed it and was like, this is what it is. It's great. My review really blew up. It's just her lying again and being annoying. Yeah. So I just...

Said a couple of funny things. Cause how can you even, obviously elf makes amazing dupes, but like you can't compare a 40 cause that wire hit. That's why. Yeah. Right. From elf. You think?

I feel like if it's $42, there's a reason it's $42. Also, it's like love. And the cool thing is I make makeup for a living. I know his lab. I make my highlighters there. So it's cool for me, manufacturer, brand owner, creator, to be able to let the audience know about ingredients and different pearls and how things are made. So they understood it. It was just funny. And I guess I was live and people clipped it and posted it on TikTok. And I guess it's a big thing this week. Yeah.

But I always stand by what I say. I think she's a fucking liar. She has a lot of advisors and they have instructed her to... Never address. Never address it. It will go away. I hate a never address. I always have and I always will in every capacity. I just, when I see these influencers, I don't know. But you know what? Sometimes they get along better than the people who do address it. That's the frustrating thing is...

It feeds people to continue to do that because you see it happen so much. So yeah, I don't hate her. I don't know her. We've spoken before. I saw her on FaceTime. We've talked in the DMs. Did she have the orange hands on FaceTime? No, she didn't have money then.

And the thing is when you're making millions of dollars a month, I don't understand why you don't look more presentable, but I think it's the stick of, I'm going to pretend to be the girl next door forever. No, you're very wealthy. Brands are paying her hundreds of thousands of dollars to say something is great and it could be great. Could not be great. I don't know. Yeah, I don't.

respect liars and I think that's what's frustrating is that people don't care anymore so I've had to be like okay the integrity of the beauty community has been compromised I gotta come back on TikTok that part and if people really want the truth they know where to find it and my views speak for themselves and you know and they always have and you've been very consistent with your honesty which I've always respected it's

It is so good. I do just want to say like I've known you for so long and you've always been in a good fucking spot. Yes. Honest about, you know, when you go through things and stuff, but like it just feels like I am talking to a Jeffrey 7.0. Like you, it feels like you were just died.

I mean, you've done everything and it's cool that you're in a place where you can do whatever the fuck you want. But what is next for Miss Jeffrey Lynn? Like what? What do you want to do? What are you passionate about? What are you doing? Who are you fucking? What would you think about if I was sucking on camera?

It's actually so funny that you say that. Because I was just going to ask you. I can't breathe. I was just going to ask you questions in that realm. You've never done that, right? For an audience. I've never fucked or sucked on camera, but I would be a liar if I said that I never will. Right? Like, I'm not saying I will. Same. But I'm not saying...

it's fully off the table yeah this i i look at the tape in the corner of my room like the hat man every day like i'm thinking about you know what i mean i'm just and it's easy it's so easy and you know i'm not glorifying all

I'm just saying in our personal positions. Of who we are and our history of online. Yes, and when you're sitting on the vault. We're not random hookers that are just going to fucking hop on. I look at Makoa every day and I'm like, God, damn, we could just run away with the money, you know? I've had those thoughts. But I knowing you, when all those celebrities did OF, I remember like Tyga and just whatever. I was like, damn, I could see Jeffree Star doing this, but you're going to put a business spin on it. Go ahead. Tell me what it is. Well, she asked what's next. I am 90% done with an autobiography.

Don't know when it's coming out. I can't wait. Someone really, a really famous writer wrote it with me and they interviewed me for almost two years and it's just really insane. So a book of being in my mom's stomach till right before Wyoming. Wow. Like my entire life up until Wyoming is the book. It's insane. Wow.

It's very inspirational. It's very dark. Um, and shockingly, even though I showed so much on my YouTube channel, every surgery, every crazy secret, every whatever, I still have a lot of secrets and things from my past and childhood that I'm ready to share. Yep. Not to like, Ooh, it's spicy to make some money. I relate to this so hard. Yes. And there's a lot of dark things and things I went through that I have never told anyone and things that happened to my family. And I just feel like it's going to inspire a lot of people to see what I've created from the dirt. Right. I cannot,

wait so that's one I can't wait for the audio the audio book is crazy high yeah uh-huh I cannot wait I really mean that I'm so happy for you I can't wait it was really therapeutic too yes I'm in the writing process right now yes oh my god it's traumatizing as well though

I cry over the fucking computer. We interviewed my mother and my mom told me things I've never heard before and I'm in my 30s so it's like hearing new things about my past. It was just all so healing and a wild rollercoaster. So that's one wild thing I'm working on. That's like really like I have to say I'm so like moved by that. Yeah, it needs to be the right moment. Inspired. Second on a whole other tinge is like I have been teaching makeup for so long. I think before I get any older I should start teaching how to suck gum.

I've always said that about you. I could use some help. You've actually always given me like, even just back in the day, you were like, girl, listen. So I feel like while I still look like this. So you're talking how to. Yeah. Is it one of those things where here's my guess and I'm guessing you don't have to say yes or no, but I think it's going to be look how long my makeup lasts.

Oh, I mean, that's definitely a concept, right? Like, look at what my liquid lipstick can stain. Absolutely. Oh, it could be like trying product or like how does this last through? Yes. And that's real. That's fun and that's cute, right? But also people need education on what they're doing. You know, that's my version of a sunbae. Who's d***? That's like even just crazy. You have to like, it's got to be the most beautiful. Oh, did you want to see a few? Yes. Okay. I'll show you. You know I do. Like, yes. Okay.

Oh my god I'll pay for it too You might know a couple in here Oh my god it's so fun You listen to their music You don't know them personally Yes Oh my god love Love always Where are the cameras angled But yeah So I think that might be A really nice adventure for me And I'm being dead ass How serious are you Very Yeah

I just think it would be really fun. Doing even just like I've never done like tapes and stuff, but I've always loved doing OF. I took a little break this summer, but it is. Did you ever show? What did you show? Just like tits and ass and like sexy videos in that way. No vagina. Like I think that's an all in or nothing for me. Like I wouldn't be like, here's a selfie, right? Like it's like sex taper.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, and I would want to like, if you're going to take it that far, you'll take it. Well, I don't want to say that because she was against that. Right. But what? Right. Because hers was stolen. Yes. Yes. I just think that I'm at the stage of my life where I, I've never cared. Yeah. And I've done so much. I've lived 10 lives and I just think that it's, I'm surprised you never just uploaded one to YouTube in the height of everything. Uh huh.

Genuinely, I'm surprised. On Twitter? Yeah. Yes. Oh my God. They have strict rules. I know, they do. They'll get you. So if you guys go live, we should go live while I'm in town in LA. I would love to. Because there's rules and things you can't say and you guys would get banned in like 10 minutes. I know.

minutes i know oh my god yeah i need the crash you guys would get my vaping you can't drive no i would need a car you can't babe but you lean off camera yeah i get high just lean off camera oh yeah we call it watering the plants on my channel on my page yeah you know autobiographies tapes both things i couldn't relate do you think people are ready for it like i yes i just a huge call my

my mouth yes i think if anything people the magic trick of it all disappearing they're on the edge of their seat for it yeah i think we all we all could learn a few things maybe i don't know but you also make it cool to say like i want to starfish and i'm like there are people like me and jeffrey who want to swing from this about it like i i it's not i don't know i just like to lay there

And that's like you. You know what? You hit that much. I care about the person like right now. I have you're not. So now I'll do it. OK, no, no, no, no. You are not the girl that these straight dudes tell me after we fuck. Oh, my God. These girls just lay there like a dead. That can't be you. No, there is a community of the layers. It's not me, baby. I'm swinging, but I'm just saying there's a very niche market for me.

That's what I'm hearing. So you're not the girl hanging off the side of the bed upside down getting skull fucked. No, I've got that covered. I will if I care about the person, but more often than not, I don't. Right now, I care about the person, so I'll do whatever he needs me to do or wants me to do. I also hit my max on that and I had to dial it back. Same. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, whoa, wait. Well, I think... Can't walk. It's fun to have ho phases on and off, whatever...

You're in the mood for you go through phases in life of just having a lot of fun and are you in a whole phase? Right now? No, no So what are you looking for in a net? So I don't did you date can I even say his name who I would can I say your ex your famous exes name? Should we give? No, I'm Voldemort the beauty industry of that who not should be spoken So Nate after dating Nate get in any other serious relationship

Nothing. It probably taught you about not being as public. Yeah. So obviously that relationship was really serious, right? He met me when I barely had any money. And the people saw the growth of everything from kind of first meeting till the end on YouTube. And I think I just showed a lot. Right. And I've always showed a lot. And I think moving forward, I probably wouldn't do that again. And I don't think it was a negative at all.

I just think the older I get, I enjoy a little bit more privacy, you know? So after that serious, amazing relationship, I never went fully in that hard with anyone. When I dated and I've had fun with people, I had your guard up as well. Duh. I don't know. Probably had your guard up. I was nodding my head. I had no idea.

Where's that pen? You need a hit. No, you don't. Mark, you see the pen? I can't imagine what type of THC is in Jeffree Star's pen. I would see the hat, man. I would go nonverbal. Is it behind you? We'll cut this part out. I don't give a fuck, Jeffree. I could be sitting on it. Oh, thank you. Jeffree, I want to upload this raw. I love every second of this. Oh, I love that. We love it raw. We love it raw. So yeah, I think right now I'm really busy with my career. I am hanging out with someone. We're enjoying each other's time, but I'm not dating anyone. Well, it's probably it was so hard for you because when someone

loves you when you don't have anything. You don't believe me. When someone has like loves you when you don't have anything to offer them and then that goes crazy and you now you like you're never going to be that Jeffrey again. You have to have your guard up tenfold. What are you looking for in

Do you see yourself ever settling down and marrying one person? I don't know. I'm at this really weird crossroads where I'm not searching for anything. I'm not lonely and I'm having the time of my life. I'm hanging out with someone and enjoying their time and I travel a lot. So I'm really not like... Do you fly commercial ever? Yeah. I can't imagine seeing Jeffree Star on like 35... Did you see that TikTok of me in commercial? No. I'm going to show it to you. It's so funny. Recently, a dad filmed me.

Because he recognized me from his daughter was watching me. And when you're in Casper, Wyoming, let's say you're going to fly to LA, you always have to stop in Denver or Salt Lake because our town is 60,000 people. It's tiny. So, you know, the jumper planes where there's no first class or economy. It's just like 50 seats. So someone filmed me being like, oh, is he going through financial issues? And I'm like, the fuck? What are you talking about? And so I responded to it like, your dad wants to fuck me.

That's why he was filming me. That's what's going on here. And I was like, nope, there's only...

50 seats in the plane. I was in 2A, but there's no... It was just so weird. But yeah, I'm Delta 360 Diamond. I love a good Delta moment. That's so good. But no, I'm not looking for love. I think whatever is going to happen or drop down my throat will. And yeah. But I'm over the whole phase right now and I'm just chilling. That's good. Yeah. We have a lot going on. But people are enamored with my TikTok crush. They are. Yeah. Wait. No, damn, wait. Wait.

Is it the guy that you posted? I'm so nosy. You guys were like lifting each other or something. He was lifting me. Yes. Yeah, we're best friends and we have fun. What would you call that? A relationship. Yes, but that's crazy. That's good. What makes you guys best friends? How'd you meet? You're going to rip your hair out. Okay. TikTok. TikTok.

Did you ever think? So here's the thing, though. Let me say one thing. No, I did think because I've never been on a dating app. So when me and Nathan were together, I felt like it was the height of those five years. So it was like five years ago for five years. I feel like that was like the height of dating apps. I've never been on a straight or gay dating app. Never been on Grindr. Never been on anything else. I couldn't even imagine. Imagine being on Grindr. And just swiping and there's me. Hello. Yeah. Fuck. I met Nate on Instagram and I met.

You know, I've met a few guys on TikTok. I think Instagram is a dating app. TikTok is like a dating app. When I was single, I would save the men in a folder just titled men. There's folders? Like, yeah, you can make folders and collections of what you save. But see, the thing is, I think when you guys were introduced to battling in the Jason Nash world, you're like, this is so fucking stupid. But like when you're...

In Wyoming, bored sometimes and you've already done your thing. You've made a lot of money. Battling is also fun and people love gifting. It's like, like I said, it's literally like a video game. I do love the serotonin of like gifting. It is a video game. It's so fun. And I love playing and gifting people that are battling. Being live. We're doing a live after this, but...

And that's the thing. If we do, there's no gifting in there. Well, I guess it is. Yeah. But I do love it. I want to pop in on it. You should. I would love it. I would absolutely, we should do a battle moment or something. If you go live for a little bit and I'll teach you how to do it. And I'm like, okay, I want to battle someone. And there's already a couple of people in the room. Like, you know, cause there's, so there's like famous tech talkers, um,

that aren't doing dancing or creating content, it's only in the live stream world. There's big creators that are always at the top with me, but they're regular ass strangers in their house with their kids and their personality. It's so fun to ask them about their lives. It's so fun. So I think it'd be fun, what I'm saying is to bring you in randomly, but it's planned. Uh-huh. Let's do it. I'm going to bring in a partner because we would battle them.

Oh my God. And then you just pop up. Imagine just being a girl in like Tampa, Florida and then Tana Mongeau and Jeffree Star are battling you for galaxies. Like that's, I'd be so scared. Oh no, no, no. That's unfair. No, no, no. Our team throws lions, universes and Pegasus. Yeah. Unlike Jason's team, my team, my team, uh, they go a little heavier. Yeah.

Okay, Pegasus. We don't focus on child support. We focus on real money. I don't even know what a Pegasus is. It's the highest gift you can send on the app. How much does it cost? So it costs like $800. But the trick is it's a gift only for level 50s. There's only 20 level 50s in all of America. And you have to spend over a million dollars on the app. And I have two accounts that are level 50. So you're a 50? That's amazing. You're so good. Like that is so good.

About 20 people in America can send their Pegasus. Jason's never seen one. Let's be honest. I saw Alyssa Violet was going live too now. She hopped on the train. It's also really fun. I think when you look at other people, you can like, I have the best fucking time. Any of the best fans, like the conversations. I was having a good time in there last night. I was like, oh shit. When you're on Patreon, I'll go live for 10 minutes here and people would gag. People just love it.

It is so fucking fun. Stop. That is, it's so exciting. It's really, and the battling is really fun. It can be.

I, it's just so awesome. I need to get into it. I never spend a lot of time on the live page and I never like really see anybody. Cause it's all about banter. Like people, I'm, I play a character. Like I'm me obviously. And I have friends on there and we all hang out and kiki. But like if I'm battling other like dudes or people, I get vicious and they get vicious back. Like they go in on each other's look. So we all go like, we're fucking vicious. That's so fun. You're right. I could really just use the place to get it out. And people love gifting heavier. Cause I'll see these dudes on the screen and I'll be like, your hairline's fucked.

That's how I start the match. Like they'll come on the screen and I'll be like, Ooh, need a lot of them already live that I'm on the screen and I'm just immediate head cut off. Wait, stop. That is so fun. I would absolutely love that. So it's just like, I love to get, I love that you're in every Avenue right now. All of it. Like the reinvention. It's so important. Do you think it's because you don't eat fast food that you have all this energy? Maybe I'm going to try it or I don't know. Or it could be being happy. I think I was really miserable. Um,

Towards the end of my LA journey, right? I think the pandemic ruined so much. And had you stayed, like, where would you be now? You'd probably be in a cult like Michelle Phan. Yeah. Is she actually in a cult? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, Michelle Phan's in a cult, I guess. And someone has her beauty line still. No, I've never seen anyone wear her makeup before. It's M Beauty. Oh, I've only ever known about Ipsy. I didn't even know she had a makeup line. But, okay, so that she's...

You just made light of this to me, but apparently she's interviewing Tati and she's still around. But all the clips I've seen, she's like not there. It's what is the. I don't know. It's like a vacant version of her. And she got involved with some people are controlling her. I don't know. It's bizarre.

I just don't think, no offense, because she is an OG and I don't want to disrespect her. I've never said anything bad about her and I don't want to, is I don't think that she's relevant anymore. Her opinion is not relevant. And that's not saying it in a negative way, like fuck her. It's just a fact.

fact yeah I don't think anyone is seeking out to see if she approves of the new makeup by Mario palette I don't think anyone cares because was she ever known for like reviewing she was almost known for like turning herself into like transformation yeah and that's so different and she was at the forefront and to me she was the first beauty youtuber ever yeah oh gee much respect to her I didn't mean that in a negative way it's just I think her time has passed I'm

Stop it right now. I mean, listen, I was sitting in a 25,000 square foot house by myself and my dogs. And I was like, I'm bored. I don't, I didn't want to. I can only have Tana Mongeau come over and eat Jack in the Box so many times. So many times. It kind of wears thin. But it's also hard to look at a stranger and be like, the glass elevator in the theater got old. It's like, no, having so much shit and stuff that I thought I needed to fill a void got old.

And then once I woke up and had an ego death and realized I didn't need anything, but myself sold the pinball machines didn't have them all still. I do. Um,

It's really good. But I sold like 90% of my clothes. I sold a lot of stuff. I shed a lot of things. I'm in that era right now as well. It's just you realize you don't have that stuff to make money. I'm big on that. Travel light through life. It is beautiful. Yeah. And Hollywood can just get so dark and you probably saw so much of the darkness of it and it's, I'm just good for you for getting the fuck out. You know what I want to ask you about? Actually, I think Jeffrey would be a really good person to ask about this. We've been talking about it a bunch lately. I'm scared.

Tunnels under Hollywood. Okay. Do you believe in them? Do you think they exist? Have you been to them? They are real. Really? I knew I would get. No, I'm just pissed I'm not invited.

Nobody's even thought to tell me about it. Keep going. Well, there's so many different tunnels because the old days, I mean, really we built our city on top of a city that kind of already existed. So there's just a lot under there. And do you think celebrities really use them? Do you think people really use them? Yes. And you think it's the 1%?

Like you think it's just like the, like. It's definitely the 1%. And the problem is, is I've been invited to these scenarios and I've, I've felt like the sickest, most lead cancerous feeling ever. And I've never gone down those routes. So same with like Illuminati stuff. I'm sure you're going to say the same thing. It's real. You've seen it, but you didn't want to take a part in it. There was, cause there was a while where people really thought you were Illuminati.

Honestly, I was people. I'm still not sure. We may still hang out sometimes. Damn, that's so crazy. I'm just not going to be a Hollywood puppet and entertain anything dark or illegal. They tried to blackmail and coerce me over and over and over to do horrible things. And I'm just not a horrible person. So you obviously believe all of this ditty stuff is real and darker than it's even shown. Yes. And I'm glad people are finally seeing it. I think when they saw him viciously assault Cassie, it all,

all made sense because all we do is know his music and he's great. And then I think when you actually see someone as a monster, it's like, holy fuck. Like, yeah, horrible. That's crazy. Jeffrey Starr just... That video ruined my month when I saw it. Yeah. Horrible. But it was almost like nothing positive about it, but I was happy that she was validated because I was reading her comments like right after she had sued him and got like

but like comparatively and everyone's like, you were out for a check. You're so pathetic, disgusting liar. And immediately after it's funny, it's like, go back and delete your comments. You guys are so embarrassing. Yeah, that is satisfying. But it was like, very weird. Like not that I would want anybody to have a video like that, but it's,

It was like, I'm, I'm thankful there was proof to validate because when women aren't heard, I think that's the worst case scenario is when someone doesn't believe someone that is actually, especially when someone's so powerful, you assume that they are like people. I mean, listen, I fully believe Diddy killed Tupac. So it's like, I'm sure she knew all of that. You don't think he's in bed laughing about that shit. Once that NDA ink dries and they're not sitting in bed one day and he's like, that was fun when I killed. We don't say NDA ink drying enough.

That's beautiful. Yeah. And Kim Porter, right? They offed her, absolutely. Allegedly. Yeah.

Does it ever scare you to say things like this? No. But I guess. I have no fear, which is why I don't think they've taken me out. I just didn't want to play the games or be a puppet. The devil works hard, but Jeffree Star works harder. Yeah. Yeah. That's nuts. I've sucked the devil off. He's not bad. He's kind of boring. That's our third clip. Yeah. Oh my God. He's kind of boring. I love you so fucking much, Jeffree Star. We all have it. What? Show now. We all have it. Mine's just pink. I don't see it.

Oh, the 666. When did you get that? Did you get that during like your MySpace era? No. So I didn't get indicted.

I'm scared. No, the drummer of Metallica and Kat Von D actually did that on me. It's a really cool story. How are you and Miss Von D? I forgot about all that. We're still best friends. Shut the fuck up. Oh, you're, no, you're lying. You're not. Haven't talked in so long. I saw her on Theo Von and I was like, whoa, like I just forgot. I forgot she existed. I know. I know. That's what we need is you on Theo Von Jesus. So two days ago, I just saw him. Really? Yeah, we just hung out at a bar. He did a show in Casper, Wyoming.

He had the whole arena sold out in my little hometown and he was so fucking funny. He's also a client of ours. We own, you know, we own killer merch. Yes. Me and Mark and a friend, we print merch for our,

array of UFC influencers always have and you've always killed it no pun intended and comedians I would love to see you on this past weekend I feel like it'd be he has the best he has questions nobody would ever think to ask and I love that did you watch the cat interview was it good they were talking about like ghosts and shit it was I think Theo Vaughn could interview a blender yeah he's just so curious

funny he's the funniest person isn't it bizarre because you guys have all had best friends for a long time then all of a sudden you don't talk anymore it's bizarre that she was such a big part of my life was there falling out or was it just like oh am i i don't think am i dumb i don't think jeffrey's ever just peacefully walked away with anyone like you know and then some people you just grow apart yeah that's true um this was like 2016 so you missed that thankfully

Yeah, it was before John Mageddon. I remember that. It was way before. It was actually one of the first real big drama moments I had in my career because someone who is never in drama came out and tried to disparage and ruin my career and say a bunch of lies. It was crazy. Yeah, and someone you loved so much. Yes. Best friend of 12 years, went on camera, all weirded out and made a weird salacious video about me. How crazy. Yeah.

It's so crazy how many lives you've lived. Like the MySpace era even just... One of the best times. That's when I first knew of you. So we were just in Vegas at the When We Were Young Festival with Mike Emel, Girlmance, and Pierce the Veil and all these bands. And it was the best. I've been dying to go to that festival. So good. And those were the best times. Being on the band's Warped Tour, being in tour buses, touring the world. What do you think about all these TikTok boys now being punk?

Because you, you are punk. Listen. Like, you know punk. They're wearing a costume. It's cute. Well, let's see what happens in a couple years. It used to be crazy shit. Ozzy Osbourne shitting on the walls and shit, you know? Yes. God, what did you, what's the craziest shit you saw in that time? Like, just like fucking, oh my God. Just people just being rock stars and just being outlandish and it was so fun. What's the craziest thing you ever did as a rock star? What is your version of crazy?

Well, when I think punk and crazy, I do think about the Motley Crue's of it all and the Ozzy Osbourne's of it all and the Tommely's. Yeah, like I've never done anything... I don't know. I think people think I'm going to say something really wild, but I don't know. I just...

I just like to have a lot of social fun. Yeah. You know? That's like, nothing like getting banged out in Paris. That's what I've always said. Oh my God. In Paris specifically, that's where I had my final hurrah. Yeah, a double-ended deltoid.

I love it. I've been on Air France just sucking. Oh my God. Absolutely. And they have great food too. It's just a whole experience. Oh my God. It's a beautiful experience. The private jet, just swallowing loads. Stop it now. He gets it. We just did that. I'm at 42 B.

So music though, like, well, you, you just said you were, you just immersed yourself back in that. So we just put out a couple new songs. I haven't recorded music in 12 years and my first album just turned 15 years old, Beauty Killer. I remember you have so many birthdays happening. I know. I was one of the first people. Did it just pass or is it coming up? November 15th.

I'm November 26th. Oh, really? Okay. So we just celebrated. It's 15 years old. It has Nicki Minaj on it and a bunch of people. Wow. That's so fun. It's hot. So we recorded a song and made it country and I recorded two new songs and one of them's... They're out or they're not out? They're out right now. I can't wait to stream. They're really good. I can't wait to stream. Yeah, so there's three new songs. How exciting. Are you country now that you're in Wyoming? Yeah.

I really love the Cowboy Life. So there is a kind of a country song. Me too. I'm addicted to it. And then there's two dance rappy songs. One's called Hi, How Are Ya?

And then there's another one called Red Lipstick featuring Yellow Wolf, the amazing rapper. That is so amazing. This is so amazing. I love Love to My Cobain. That's beautiful. We re-released that. It's called Lollipop Killer, the little EP that has the song. You're inspiring me in so many ways. It's so fun. You always have inspired me in so many ways. She did music before. People loved our shit. I just did music before her era.

I would, I might delve back into all of it. I'm revisiting so many things that I never thought I would. Let's do a song together. And a YouTube moment and a YouTube moment. I know that long form videos are never going to do what short form does now, but I love it. I'm going to, I love it. Dive head first back into YouTube for my OGs. And I'm, I would love to do something with you. Like just, uh, you have to play later. It's fun.

What'd you say? You have to play the songs later. They're fine. I am listening to all of them. I know you'll copyright strike me, so I'll wait. No, you can put them in if you want. We can give you the... The go ahead. The white label, yeah. Yes. Oh my God, stop it. But I'm serious. I do want to revisit YouTube and we got to... I want to come to Wyoming with you. Please, anytime. I really... A lot of people come out and visit. You'd be surprised. A lot of TikTokers have been out there. A lot of streamers. A lot of people. Oh, wow. I thought it was more exclusive and I had to beg. Bitch, I'm coming.

Well, everyone goes to Jacksonville. How far are you from Jacksonville? Five hours. I love only because of the story you said. Hold on. I just keep hearing about Jacksonville, Wyoming.

That's where everyone goes on their little ranch vacation. We really should. A lot of them do, yeah. I would love to. It's so fun. I love it out there. I'm just... Wow. Jeffrey, you're fucking... You're killing it. We've always been killing it. We're cockroaches. And I can't... You can't kill us. You can't. We're not going anywhere. It makes me so happy that all these years later, I've just always been able to call you a friend and still can. I could sit and talk to you for fucking eight hours. Same. And I would love to have you on anytime you want. And I just... I'm like...

I'll be a triple co-host. We would love it. I would absolutely fucking love it. And I just love you so much. I really do. All of the things. Go watch the lives. Go buy the products. You don't need any promotion from us, but I will be reading that book and watching that

- They've been streaming that music and all of it. - I'm watching the tutorial that you're gonna post. - That part. - Oh yeah. - Yes. - How to deep throat. - And I'm, God it's so kind. - Deep Throat 101. - And I'm so excited for you and Trisha to have your moment. Two of the three of us should do something. It just feels good to-- - I would love to. - I'm so happy that we're out of all the toxicity of those eras and we've all grown so much but the small parts,

that we're able to hold on to that are still beautiful. We all have really great memories. It really, every time I see those clips, it makes me so happy. And you didn't have to welcome me in. And I wasn't even a beauty guru. You didn't have to remake my How to Cake Your Face Like a Pro and get 30 million views. When I met her, it was just like we really just clicked.

Have you seen old clips of us? Of course. I was watching it in real time. That's so cool. There's no old clips for me. I was there. But now we are in just a new era and life is beautiful. I love to see it. I feel like it's so cool. Like it's just cool to see. Our final thoughts are nothing defines you and nothing is forever and fuck everyone.

I needed that. I couldn't agree more. I think you are the perfect guest for this time. Like I'm genuine. I'm like tearing up. Like I'm so fucking like just wow. I'm really happy to have you. Thank you. And episodes like this also make doing this podcast feel worth it. Yes. You know what I mean? Thank you. Of course.

Of course. I can't thank you enough and I'm coming to see the Yaks, bitch. Oh my God, I didn't even tell you. Well, I know Mike Snedeker told you about how I shoved a Jeffree Star makeup brush up my ass, but that's a different story for a different time. That's hot, yeah. That's my favorite part of the show. I've been telling that on stage. When he came up to me, I didn't obviously expect that story. Yeah. I was like, hi. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's actually how we started talking because Mike...

Because on stage on tour, I've been telling this story about how I shoved a Jeffree Star ex-Morphe makeup brush up my ass when I was tripping with Tarte and Turks and Caicos and why I had to shove it up my ass. It's just so recognizable. I was trying to remove something out of my ass like a cake pop with a Jeffree Star ex-Morphe pointed eyeshadow brush that you carve your crease with. And that's what... Morphe still owes me money. Me too.

Well, let me stop. The bankruptcy. I'll never get my 1.6 million. Yeah, that's how much they owed me before they filed. How does that work? You're doing a collab with Morphe.

They owe you this money. Obviously, I got paid several times and then the next payment was the 1.8. They decided... Well, the new CEO fell into cancel culture, right? Linda Lisa. That was... That was way past that. Yeah, yeah. And you know, whatever. And at the end of the day, they owe me and a bunch of people money still. We're never going to get it. They filed for bankruptcy and they... I can't believe that's allowed, but I guess there's nothing you can really do about it. But then it's like...

They're just moving forward paying other creators to do stuff. Oh, yeah. How does that make sense? I don't know. There's no like back pay situation? Did you get canceled? No. Well, you were saying they fell into cancel culture. Meaning like they decided not to work with me over the second video. Oh. When the second video came out and I got canceled and Morphe didn't want to work with me. What did I do wrong? Like to the core of it, what did people think that I did wrong? They just thought I was a shitty person. I'll never know. But it is just nuts. Yeah.

With canceled culture and just, I don't know. What did I do? Like,

Like you would have... Well, I've done a lot of things wrong that I've apologized for, moved past. This specific moment in time was so bizarre. Do you hold resentment? Towards what? Just that. No. That's good. I'm like, what? No, I don't. That makes me happy. That makes me happy. I've healed and moved past it. It was a crazy scenario. It was obviously supposed to happen. The universe gave me that challenge. And we all dealt with it differently. But looking back, I just wish...

i don't know that i think saying you wish things would have happened differently is just selfish and everything's supposed to happen how it was but i wish people could have sought with a different eye it will forever be a polarizing moment in internet pop culture history but i agree with you that i think it needed to happen and i think that yeah and people miss that era so with with me and michaela

whatever it is that's happening. All I did was speak my opinion and it's obviously turned into this really massive thing on TikTok, right? I think the thing is, is that people in the comments are saying they miss our old era. Like they don't, there's no new rising. I miss it. There's no new rising beauty stars and there's no big,

there's not many creators it's me her and a couple girls so it's like the beauty community is so small and lacking new blood and cool people the ogs all suck damn maybe i'll pop out and be a guru let's make a lip line if he doesn't want to that part like my bad it's so yeah i don't know it's in a weird time and i think a lot of people missed that era because it was so engaging and there was so much happening and they were really genuinely on youtube

maybe 25 to 30 creators that were really doing it and people were really attached to. It's just now with short form content, it's so oversaturated that the... It's too easy now. To love and fall in love with someone and their weekly video and their life, I don't think it will ever happen again in that way. And it is nostalgic and almost sad. It is. Like I even...

Dude, I can't even believe I'm saying this out loud, but I miss Logan Paul's vlogs. I would wait on them every week. They were just yours at that time. Different entertainment. And then Shane came in with the long form and really fucked it up. The documentaries? That feeling when an episode of Shane Dawson's documentary had just dropped was...

will never be recreated again in my opinion. - Ever, ever. - And it is like, it makes me sad. I don't know why, but I do have such an attachment to that era forever. - I almost feel like with long form you got to know someone a lot better, so now people are attached to you still because they know so much about your life. I feel like any beauty people, you only know that they're doing makeup and that's it. I need to know everything about your life. - And people just aren't entertaining enough to make a 20 minute video.

You know, going to Walmart. Right? Like now it's like, it's just TikTok. It's just a different time. The only videos that I'm enjoying watching are the two grown men that find pedophiles and beat the fuck out of them.

of them modern day Chris Hansen yes those are my favorite I thought you were going to say the Costco guys no these dudes they obviously they're decoys and then they go to wherever it is Walmart and they're filming and they upload all the clips to Twitter beating the fuck out of them they don't care

The old days, people just film like, oh, okay, Chris Hansen, you're going to go to jail. No, these dudes, they start beating him on the side of the head. They start punching the fuck. That's honestly fucking awesome. The one from yesterday, I have to show you guys later. He takes a pumpkin and smashes it on the guy's head and he is so fucked on the ground. Just like, yeah, and he wanted an 11 year old. He should be fucking. Yeah. Absolutely. Ch-ch.

Damn, that's lit. That is lit. By the way, when I lived in LA, I had one gun. Now that I live in Wyoming, I have 150 firearms. How are ya? I want to get one so bad. Please, come do a photo shoot with my Israeli AK-47. I need to show you my stalker. It's actually the same. Yes, we have 100 ARs, pink, gold-plated, the fuck. You're lying.

And we're also allowed to have silencers and suppressors on our guns. So I have 50 of those. Holy fucking shit. I like, I wanted a gun because my stalker, I'm so fucking scared this man's going to kill me. And it's like, yes, I have security with guns outside, but there's something about if I could sleep with it in my nightstand. You should get one. We should do like a gun course. There was an era in my life where I didn't need to have a gun in every one of those. Yeah, I'll help you get one. That's so fun. We should have like little pink guns.

You guys go live at six? Yes. We have to do a couple of TikToks. We have to. We have to. Let's do it. Jeffrey. Jeffrey Lynn. Wait. I love you. I love you. We'll do our outro. We love you. The bad lighting is coming in. Don't look at me. No, you look gorgeous from my angle. Fist me. Yeah, because it's like. I love fisting. I don't. I don't. I'm sorry.

Can I just say it's so funny? Because the second these cameras go off, I'm getting the real tea. And that's like this episode. Don't tell them that. It's just like, it's nuts. Like what's going to happen on camera? I'm so tight. That's the real tea. I can't be fisted. I've always said that about you. I can't be fisted. No way. I've tried. I've tried. You're looking at me like I'm a liar. Aaron's so afraid. It's so funny that he works for this podcast because he's just so sweet. Okay, guys. We love you. We love you, Jovrelin. Thank you for having me, ladies. I really appreciate it. Tan, I love you, friend. I love you so much. Ow!