Tulsi Gabbard vs. The Intelligence Deep State ft. David Sacks
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Joining us now is David Sachs from the All In podcast. David, I enjoyed hanging out with you this last weekend. David and I are trying to fulfill the mandate together. Is that fair to say, David? That was a really fun dinner, and we'll just leave it at that. We want to make sure that the warmongers and the neoconservatives remain where they belong, which is in the losing campaign of Kamala Harris. David, I want to take a victory lap with you first.

How big is the Tulsi Gabbard appointment for director of national intelligence? I think it's extremely important. It's extremely important for the country and it's extremely important for our movement. If I had to identify one risk to the MAGA movement over the next four years, it would be that somehow the deep state or the swamp or the Washington blob maneuvers President Trump into another forever war, a war that we don't need, a

and that war would only be very damaging to the country, but it would fracture our base and it could destroy the MAGA movement and derail his domestic priorities. So,

You know, an unnecessary war is the last thing we need. And recall that it was bad intelligence that got us into the Iraq war in the first place. Remember that it was the CIA director, George Tenet, who told President George W. Bush that it was a slam dunk case that Saddam Hussein had W&D programs. And it was on that basis that the United States got into its most pointless and destructive forever war.

So it's so important that the intelligence that is given to the president is correct. And I can't think of a better person to be in charge of that than Tulsi, because she has worn the uniform. She's a soldier. She knows what's involved. At the same time, she's had a skepticism towards these unnecessary foreign interventions. And so she has the right balance. I think she can make sure the intel is correct. And hopefully that will avoid this horrible type of risk that I'm talking about.

Without a doubt. And David, they're already smearing Tulsi as being a Russian asset. Where does this come from? I mean, it is a demonstrably false slur. It is the same as calling somebody a racist or a bigot. It's the national security equivalent of calling somebody a racist is calling somebody a Russian asset. In politics, they'll say you are a racist. If you try to get into the national security space, you're a Russian asset. It is.

That slur perfectly shows why we need a teardown. David, even on the most generous reading, where the heck does this come from with Tulsi? Do they call her a Russian asset because she dares to critique the international rules-based neoliberal order that has been a failure the last 30 years?

Well, it comes from the exact same source that the exact same smear came from about President Trump. Remember, they said that he was an agent of Vladimir Putin for years. I mean, this was the whole Russiagate hoax. Where did the Russiagate hoax come from? It came from the Hillary Clinton campaign. Who started this smear that Tulsi was a Russian agent? Hillary Clinton. She just asserted it on cable news one day without any evidence.

And since then, it's just been repeated again without any evidence whatsoever. I think it's even worse than calling somebody racist as horrible as that is, because, you know, as bad as it is to to engage in racism, that's not actually a crime. Whereas being a traitor to your country is actually a crime. It's a potential death penalty offense. So this is possibly the worst type of smear ever.

that they could ever make towards somebody, especially somebody who proudly wears the uniform of the USA. I think the good news is that the people of the United States have now seen through this type of slander. Obviously, they saw through with respect to President Trump. And I think President Trump's election shows that the mainstream media, or I should say the legacy media, no longer has any credibility when it makes these types of assertions. And in a sense, President Trump has shown

short-circuited their slander machine. So let's play some of the tape here. This is Tom Nichols, who is obviously on payroll from the Central Intelligence Agency. There's a remarkable lie. Let's play Cut 407. You know, every federal employee every year has to sit through insider threat training.

to recognize people they think might be hazards around classified material. And part of that is people who are deeply critical of the United States and its foreign policy, who seem to have a lot of affinity and meetings with foreign nationals. I mean, there's all kinds of alarm bells that go off here. And this nomination sets them all off.

Whoa, hold on. If you're critical of America, red flag. Did he say that if you're critical of our foreign policy decisions, David Sachs, did you hear that? That was a very interesting tell that if you have a difference of opinion on whether or not we send money to Ukraine and we invade Iraq, you're a national security threat. Did I hear that correctly?

Well, this is what they want to redefine treason as is policy disagreements. If you don't agree with their agenda, somehow that's treason. No, I mean, that's engaging in

A reasonable policy debate, which we absolutely need to have, especially with regard to foreign wars. Look, what these people are so upset about, Tulsi does not represent a threat to the United States. I think she's a great asset for the United States. What she represents a threat to is the Atlantic magazine's agenda, which is nonstop wars, endless and forever war. This is what the Atlantic magazine stands for.

And they have made these same types of accusations towards President Trump. Again, they bought into the whole Russiagate hook, hook, line and sinker. They're the ones who spread it or were some of the people who spread it. In fact, I think the editor in chief of The Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg, was one of the main promoters of the whole Russiagate hoax.

They've never come to grips with their complicity in that hoax. They've never acknowledged that they were wrong. They just move on to the next set of accusations. And these are the last people who should be believed about this sort of thing. They have no credibility left. Yeah, it's just not just no credibility. I mean, like they're the ones that are hostile threat to the country the way they're talking. So now that this administration is sunsetting, you would think that when administration is over,

You really know what they prioritize. So with Joe Biden, is he going to really try to run through the tape on infrastructure or, you know, abortion? No, no, no, no. The top priority of this outgoing administration is Ukraine. It's not a joke. This is Tony Blinken. Play cut 400, please. As we're working to make sure that Ukraine has what it needs to effectively defend itself, the United States continues to step up.

We've obligated just recently and pushed out the door another $8 billion in security assistance for Ukraine. That was in September. Another almost half a billion dollars just a few weeks ago. And President Biden is committed to making sure that every dollar we have at our disposal will be pushed out the door between now and January 20th. David, this is telling. Please.

Well, this administration is ending as it began. Its number one priority has been this Ukraine war. Joe Biden entered office demanding that Ukraine be admitted to NATO on a fast track. That was his

That was his number one priority. And this goes back a decade to when he was Obama's vice president and he was running Ukraine policy as part of his portfolio. And he grinlit the Maidan coup in 2014, for which he was rewarded when Hunter Biden was put on the board of Burisma. In any event, they fast-tracked.

this idea of NATO expansion to Ukraine in his first year in office, 2021, even though the Russians said that was an absolute red line, that then blew up in their face when Russia invaded Ukraine. And since then, they've made

uh funding this ukraine project their number one priority and so again they're going to shovel every dollar out the door they can before they leave office that that is what they care about that they could have tackled so many other issues they could have tackled the border they could have tackled inflation they could have tackled so many issues that were relevant to ordinary americans but you can see that this expansion this sort of empire building is their number one priority it's what they care about and it's just

Why? I know that I ask you this question a lot, David, and we were hanging out. My operating thesis is that the war machine is the culmination of statism. There is no greater expression of the worship of the state than war. It is ultimate authority to take life, give life, destroy things, dominate, monopolize countries, reorganize them as you see fit. It is the closest thing to be playing God on the planet. What is it about war?

That this particular topic that has wide bipartisan agreement that if you're critical, we're going to throw you throw you into jail and call you a traitor. Why the fixation, do you believe?

Well, I think there is something to what you're saying. I mean, there is immense power for them in being able to control the fate of millions of people, to control the destiny of all those lives, to be able to snuff them out potentially. I think there is a sick, twisted power in that. But look, I think there's also an ideology and a policy objective that

The bottom line is these people, I guess you can call them globalists, they see no national border to be defended. They see only an imperial border to be expanded. And Ukraine has been the tip of the spear. It is the place they wanted to expand NATO to. NATO is the...

is basically the central organization that expands the, you could say, the American empire, American influence. And so they've been fanatically obsessed with that project. Now, look, I'm not against NATO per se, but in this particular case, the Russians made it abundantly clear that that was a red line for their security interests and they would go to war to prevent it. And indeed they have. And so, you know, hundreds of thousands of people have been killed as a result of that project.

reckless decision. And the I think that the biggest blunder that the Biden administration made in this regard is that there was a peace deal on the table. It was called the Istanbul deal in the first few weeks of the war. It would have ended the war. Ukraine would have kept all of its territory, would not have lost all of its territory. Hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved. The country would not have been destroyed.

And instead of – but what it would have required is for Ukraine simply to remain neutral. It was not saying that Russia had to dominate Ukraine. What Russia wanted was simply for Ukraine to remain neutral, to not be a member of NATO. That would have ended the war right when it was getting started, would have saved all those lives.

saved all that destruction, and the Biden administration vetoed it. And regardless of what you think of their actions before that, once they rejected the Istanbul deal, they became the co-owner of this war. It wasn't just Vladimir Putin invading Ukraine. It was Joe Biden rejecting the peace deal that was available in March and April of 2022. That was a fateful and critical error.

And I think that now all of us who want peace in Ukraine are going to try and are going to have to work really hard to try and put Humpty Dumpty back together again, so to speak, to try and get back to a peace deal that was so readily available, so on the table just a couple of years ago.

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David, explain to our audience the significance of Doge, the Department of Government Efficiency. Two men that you know, Elon and Vivek, are going to be going after waste, fraud, abuse, and try to find efficiency in government. Explain it to our audience.

Absolutely. Well, the bottom line is that the United States is on a path towards bankruptcy. We have a $2 trillion deficit every year. We are already, our debt is so large now that our interest payments are over a trillion dollars a year. It's getting to be the single largest item in the budget. It's bigger than what we spend on defense spending on the Pentagon. It's something like 20 to 25% now of federal revenue is going to interest payments on the debt.

And this is a very unsustainable path, and the debt is confused to grow. So unless we somehow reform government spending, this country is going to go broke. Moreover, what is that spending getting us? We have something like 450 federal agencies now issuing regulations. It's creating a morass. It's very hard to operate a business without money.

violating one of these regulations. It's, you know, increases the cost of compliance. You have to hire a lot of lawyers and accountants to do anything. And so, you know, a lot of the spending isn't really helping. It's hurting. It's acting as a brake pedal on the economy. So I think the point of Doge is let's get the federal budget on a more sustainable trajectory and at the same time, make America more competitive and increase economic growth.

And by the way, we're very lucky to have two... No, please continue, David. Yeah, please continue. Yeah, we're very lucky to have two really business geniuses, Elon and Vivek, contributing their time to do this. They're doing this for free because they love the country. They've both been extremely successful in business. Elon, obviously, is the most successful entrepreneur maybe of all time, but certainly of our generation. And Vivek was also very successful in business before getting into politics. So I think for these two...

real heavyweights, I mean, intellectual giants to devote their time to doing this. And they are very serious about it. It's really a wonderful thing for the country. So, David, let's summarize all this. You and I have not had an opportunity to celebrate on air since we won. You went out on a limb and believed in Donald Trump, and you believe that he was going to bring a vision of change to the country. You spent some time in Mar-a-Lago this last weekend. You were around the transition discussions.

Can you please just judge why you, like, compare what you, why you got into it, what you thought would happen, and what you saw firsthand at Mar-a-Lago? Yeah, the thing I saw that was really amazing was just to see President Trump go into boss mode right away. You know, I had the chance to meet him several times as a candidate, as I'm sure you did, Charlie, and, you know, he was campaigning. Obviously, he'd already been the president, and so he was always very presidential, but

When I was, you know, at Mar-a-Lago, I saw he was already acting as the president. He was receiving calls from foreign leaders. He was already, people were lining up out the door looking for jobs and he was interviewing people. I mean, he had immediately gone into, I guess, boss mode, so to speak. And just frankly, like it was a whole different aura than I'd seen before. I mean,

It really, I mean, to be quite frank, it felt like the power was just like crackling off him at that point. I mean, he is just marching forward with his agenda. I mean, he flew into D.C. just the other day like a conquering hero. It was quite curious to see the Bidens. They're all smiles there. I mean, it was like a dog that had run.

rolling over on its belly waiting to be, you know, petted or something. I mean, after Biden was the one who tried to put Trump in jail for years, I mean, it was really quite amazing. I mean, he really is

It was like Caesar entering Rome or something. But look, I think that he is pursuing his agenda for the American people very strongly. He has a clear mandate. He won the House, the Senate, the presidency, more governors' mansions, and he is now pursuing that agenda. It's really quite incredible to see. David, thank you so much. I want you to check out the All In podcast. David, I really appreciate your leadership and friendship. Thank you. Absolutely. You too, Charlie.

Thank you. And lots of emails and feedback. So let me repeat what I said the first hour. It is inexplicable. If you vote against Matt Gates and you voted for Merrick Garland, if you voted against both of them, then you're going to have to explain that. However, it's interesting. The people who voted against

for Merrick Garland are the ones that are currently saying they won't vote for Matt Gaetz. Isn't that interesting? The people who voted against Merrick Garland are the ones that are saying they will vote for Matt Gaetz. So it's kind of this overlaying thing. The correlation is there's a direct correlation between people who supported Merrick Garland that are Senate Republicans that are against Matt Gaetz and people that didn't support Merrick Garland and that are in favor of Matt Gaetz. It's quite interesting.

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I'm the executive producer of this fine show. Honored to be with you all from sea to shining sea. And I am excited about our next guest, Sean Davis, co-founder and CEO of The Federalist. If you guys are not checking out The Federalist on a daily basis, you are missing out and you need to do that now. Sean Davis, welcome to the show, my friend. We haven't had you. Yeah, we haven't had you since last Tuesday. So...

First impressions. How are you feeling? What's the world feel like in the Federalist land? It's great. And it's interesting. We were all talking about the election afterwards. And I think most of us were pretty confident that Trump was going to win, that it wasn't going to be very close. But you just never know until it happens. And I personally didn't realize how relieved I would be. Like, I look back to 2016 when Trump crushed Hillary.

And that was funny. It was just fun. We all had a good time. This one, it wasn't funny. It felt big and meaningful, like this massive weight had been pulled off the back of the country. So I'm thrilled and I'm very excited, just not for the next four years, but for the next 12. I agree. And I think we're in a really good position. I'm worried about the House.

Sean, we're barely keeping a majority in the House despite having a real red wave. So we can talk about that later. Right now we're in the midst of a...

Senate confirmation looming battle. The right people seem to be losing their absolute minds over Matt Gaetz, but also Tulsi Gabbard and I think Pete Hegg said. So these look like they're going to be the three biggest fights we have on our hand. I want to pull up one of your tweets here that has done very, very well. Charlie actually retweeted it. If you can go ahead and bring up Sean's tweet, please.

You said,

I thought this was brilliant. I've had a bunch of people send this to me. There it is, Sean. Now, you know, this is maybe just your wild speculation, but walk through your thinking here because I think it's brilliant.

Well, I wouldn't call it wild speculation. I always like, I enjoy playing chess. Okay. I have, I have fun doing it. And what you learn in chess is you need to learn to evaluate the board and find the best options for yourself, the best options for your opponent, and then play to the best option of the opponent. And so I look at the board here and I see a lot of options.

Obviously, I think the Senate should confirm Gates, notwithstanding all the nonsense they're going to throw at him or the fake FBI attempt to entrap him and extort his family with insane allegations. So I think they should confirm him. If not, if they don't want to do that, I think they should recess appoint him, have both houses go into recess and do appointments that way. And if that doesn't work, I think it would be a great idea to make clear to senators that,

You're not getting out of this easy. There's going to be consequences. And, you know, who knows if DeSantis will go along with it? I don't know. But I think it's one of those things that in politics, you always need to have something in your back pocket. You always need to have a way to make clear to people that they can do things the easy

easy way and the right way, or they can eventually do what they were supposed to do. And it can be very painful for them. And I think this is a great option to highlight that, hey, you may think you're going to get the last laugh voting against Gates. But if you do that, he might end up as your colleague tormenting you for years to come.

I think it's brilliant. And I think here's the other piece of it is that we can walk these through at a certain order, right? So you hold Rubio back, his confirmation back. You force up to the front of the line, Gates as AG.

And then you basically, you dangle the Rubio option as, because Rubio is going to be confirmed. I think nobody's worried about Rubio as Secretary of State. So the question then becomes, would you be able to get DeSantis to play ball with this? And, you know, I think everybody's feeling very positive in Florida. I mean, what, you know, Trump won the state by 13 points. There's a lot of political firepower out of the state of Florida that we can use. But-

In general, Sean, what is your reaction to the reaction? You've got everybody losing their minds over Pete Hegseth, which I personally think is a phenomenal choice. I know Pete personally, he's an absolute patriot, loves this country.

They're now calling their Tulsi is now a foreign agent and she's friendly with Vladimir Putin. What is your reaction to this? John Bolton says these are the two historic between Tulsi and Gates, the historically the two worst cabinet selections in American history. What say you?

Yeah, I can't think of a better endorsement than that idiot hating them. I mean, he's a disaster, ruined everything he touched. And so if he doesn't like people, I think that just tells anyone with a brain they must be great. And I will say, I find the reactions fascinating and the freakouts fascinating, because if the people having the freakouts, if these idiots had actually done their jobs, if they had actually protected the Constitution that they claim to love so much, none of this would have been necessary.

But what they did is they allowed an infection to fester throughout Washington, throughout these agencies for years, if not decades. They ignored it. They didn't treat it. We all knew the limb was dying. We all could we could all smell the stank on it. And yet they sat there and they insisted that nothing is wrong. This is totally normal. And I want them all to understand you are the reason this is happening.

You, Mr. Legal Eagle, who turned up his nose at us saying, hey, DOJ is using the Constitution as toilet paper and they're going to take down the entire republic if somebody doesn't bring them to heel. They laughed at us and they scoffed at us. And I just want them to understand you're the reason this is happening. As much as it hurts, know to your core that it is your fault, that if you had done your job, none of this would have been necessary. I think that's so important, Sean. I mean, we have skyrocketing deficits.

We had a whole political movement that tried to remove Donald Trump from ballots because they didn't like him being the candidate. They tried to throw him in prison for 700 years. They prosecuted him across multiple state jurisdictions, New York and Fulton County. They...

through grandmas in prison for J6. They surveilled Catholic churches and they didn't think there was going to be consequences for this. They threw Peter Navarro in federal prison, Steve Bannon, and Steve Bannon's now facing another legal challenge in his future.

This thing got so out of whack. I mean, we can't even build ships in the military anymore, in the Navy, Sean. There is so much rot, corruption, and degradation of the system, of the greatest country in the history of planet Earth.

And they didn't think that there was going to be a reckoning. So all of these people that are fighting for the status quo, this is their day of reckoning. This is their retribution. Donald Trump's success in this next step is going to be all of our retribution. Sean, I like to think that the Federalist is this wonderful kind of bridge between the intelligentsia on the right and the grassroots. You guys, you bridge those two worlds so wonderfully.

I was talking with Charlie and he ended up turning this into a quote. It's, you know, we've always said the grassroots needs a seat at the table. We don't just have one seat at the table. We have dozens of them now. What say you, Sean?

Oh, I think it's fantastic. When we started at the Federalist, we started because we are sick and tired of looking at the media landscape and seeing that it seemed to exist to tell the people what power wanted them to hear. And we started because we had the simple idea that it's time for the people in power to hear what the people actually want them to hear. They need to know what the country wants. We're tired of having their agenda shoved down our throats. And man, we...

You want to talk about someone who has done a Herculean effort to actually have democracy in this country and give people a voice? It's Elon Musk. So I would say it's not that grassroots have dozens of people at the table right now. They have millions of people at the table. They don't have to go and hire a lobbyist to get five minutes with a low-level staffer to ignore them in Washington, D.C. They can just go tweet at Elon and get retweeted by him. It's

Truly amazing. And I think that's what frightens so many people in Washington now. There's been a model that they've operated under for years where they get to do what they want and then they just shove it down our throats. And those days are over. And I think they're terrified realizing that their gravy train is out of gas and that a whole new cadre of people is in charge. And it's not them and all their fancy little friends with their stupid little credentials.

Exactly. It's like if the elites with their credentials and by the way, where they get these credentials are all rotten to the core now. So like, let's start there. So if credentials is what you want, you're getting credentials from a corrupt establishment that has lost its way decades ago. First of all, but second of all, look at the fruit of your credentialed elite.

You have run this country into the ground and we, we, the, the, the American people, the grassroots is where the honor is. It's where the virtue still is. It's where the core and the heart and soul of this country is alive and well, or it wasn't so well, but now we're pretty well, we've got a nice shot in the arm and we want our country back. And it's funny. One of our producers in the chat said, we don't just have dozens of,

seats at the table, Sean. We own the table. It's ours now. It was always ours and they tried to make us believe that it wasn't. It's ours. We own it.

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Sean Davis from The Federalist. I want to play for you a couple clips here that expose, I think, in even more extravagant ways than we've already seen, just how insane the left has become and how Donald Trump has broke all of their brains. They're now trying to put a wedge between family members if that family member voted for Donald Trump. No more holidays, no more Thanksgiving turkey together where we put things aside and we love one another. We thank God for our blessings. No? Yes.

It's all vindictive. It's all vendetta. It's all hurt feelings. Play cut 410. There is a push, I think just a societal norm, that if somebody is your family, that they are entitled to your time. And I think the answer is absolutely not. So if you are going into a situation where you have family members, where you have close friends who you know have voted in ways that are against you, like what you said, against your livelihood,

And it's completely fine to not be around those people and to tell them why, you know, to say, I have a problem with the way that you voted because it went against my very livelihood. And I'm not going to be around you this holiday. I need to take some space for me. Oh, but there's more, Sean. And then I'm going to get your reaction. I promise. 4-11.

I completely understand her point because I really do feel that this candidate, you know, President-elect Trump, is just a different type of candidate. From the things he said and the things he's done and the things he will do, it's more of a moral issue for me. And I think it's more of a moral issue for other people. We're just, you know...

I would say it was different when, let's say, Bush got elected. You know, you may not have agreed with his policies, but you didn't feel like he was a deeply flawed person, deeply flawed by character, deeply flawed in morality. I think a lot of devs called him deeply flawed and humanized him. But you've got to admit, they're very different figures.

Sean Davis, what do you make of that? By the way, Whoopi Goldberg just said she's threatening a sex strike, which I'm sure America is just very upset about right now. So we've got lots to react to, Sean. What's your take of this? Well, I guess this would be a good time for me to announce that I'm going to go on strike from playing professional football and just announce I'm not going out for the draft next year.

be like, that's a little more credible than what she's doing. These people are nuts. Like I was alive during George W. Bush's presidency and, and was conscious at the time they called him Hitler. They called him the chimposter president. Uh, they had, uh,

the marches and protests where they had him in the likeness of Hitler with the Hitler mustache. So I love how the left always does this, that whoever is currently in power who's a Republican is Hitler. And they always compare him to the last guy who they previously called Hitler but wanted to forget. And so then they ask, oh, well, why can't he be decent like that last guy? They're going to do it to Trump, by the way. So when J.D. Vance runs again, they're going to say, you know what? We called Trump Hitler.

But he was actually better than this J.D. Vance fellow. I'm very concerned. It's all nonsense. And as far as like shunning your family goes, you can go online and you can look up signs from people who study this on whether you're in a cult.

And they look at things that cults demand of their followers. And they demand that you renounce your former beliefs, that you cut off contact with your friends and family, that you renounce your family, and that you pledge your devotion to the new cult. They want to own you. So what the left is, is a religious cult. They have their own dogma. They have their own liturgies. They have their own means of sanctification, justification. These people are in a cult.

And for their own good, I hope they snap out of it because it's actually really, really sad and destructive to see them do this to themselves and their own families. It's so smart, Sean Davis. It's just further evidence.

that they are in a cult, that this is their religion, their secular cult religion. And, you know, the 4B movement, all these women threatening, you know, to not have sex and not have children. And I was like, it's like, we just keep winning. I'm not tired of winning yet. We're just going to outbreed these people. And in 20 years, find out just how right wing the country can really get. Sean Davis, tell us where people can find you, how to support the Federalists, 30 seconds.

Well, they can come to TheFederalist.com. They can sign up as subscribers. They can make donations to our Tax Exempt Foundation. You can also find me on X, Sean, S-E-A-N-M-D-A-V, Sean M. Dav, where I troll and terrify and terrorize the liberals every day.

Yeah, you do it. You do a phenomenal job. I hope somebody is back channeling right now with Governor DeSantis to get this Rubio idea, the leverage play with with Gates. I think that's I think that's critically important. Sean Davis, excellent work as always. We'll see you again, my friend. Thank you, sir. Take care. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us is always freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charlie Kirk dot com.