THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 59 — Special Don Jr. Edition
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All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard. Tonight is Thought Prime Thursday. Jack Posobiec, Blake Neff are here. We're holding down the fort. Charlie is currently on route. And so, Blake, let me get this straight because people are asking about Election Day. And Election Day is coming up.

And people are saying, hey, you guys are going to be live. Are you going to be streaming? What's the deal? What's the plan? You're doing a super stream. And, you know, everybody knows that Charlie loves to do his long and long form late night streams when it's election season. Everybody remembers 2022. We had a lot of interesting moments. And that's really kind of when we kicked off the current iteration, I think,

of the Charlie Kirk show and these streams, but Blake, you're out there in Phoenix. So, you know, I haven't really talked to Charlie about this yet. So what is the plan for election night? So we're still, we're still hammering this out. Uh, what's kind of funny is I feel like we're going to end up in this contest to see who can be, who can be more fanatically committed because Charlie, uh, he lives somewhat, uh, I'm not going to say where he lives, but he doesn't live right next to the studio, which is one reason he's always like on his way here and such. Uh,

But he wants to be fully ready to go, obviously, with all the news that's going on. So I think he might be... I'm not sure what the full details are, but I think he might have a temporary setup so that he can just be right on top of the studio. I live across the street, but for me, even that's not good enough. So what I am planning to do is... My plan is that once we go live...

To start covering the election on, I'm not sure what time it would be, probably 5 p.m. Eastern on the East Coast or something. My vow is that I will not go. Right before, right before polls close. Right before, yeah, right before polls start closing in like Kentucky and Indiana, those early ones. But once we go live, once we go live.

I will not go off the air in some capacity on whether it's on Rumble or YouTube or TikTok. I will not go off the air until the election is decided. And we are going to straight up put an air mattress probably right over there, maybe out in the green room. Wait, wait, wait. Decided? Yes. I have. I don't know if anyone else is going to collaborate on this, but this is my vow. This is my...

So wait, like no cap, like you're saying that you're not going to go off air because we already know Al Schmidt, the secretary of state out in Pennsylvania, is already saying that he's going to be slow walking the votes and the counting. And in Pennsylvania, the law already says that you can't. So in Pennsylvania, for example, you can't count the mail in ballots until the polls actually close.

So for all the people like myself who have voted early, those ballots don't even begin to be count, will have not begun to be count until 8 p.m. Eastern. So we'll have already been going for three hours, which all is a long way of saying that, you know, we're probably not going to know unless it's like an absolute blowout, right? Unless it's like an absolute just landslide, blowout, et cetera, kind of win.

We're not going to know on day one. And if it's closed, this is going to go for days. What do you mean you're going to be on air for days? What if it goes full 2000 Bush v. Gore? What if it ends up going for weeks on end? Won't that be amazing, Jack? It'll be incredible. So, okay, so your plan is...

is that you have to sleep. What about when you go to the bathroom, Blake? Obviously what we'll do if we go to the bathroom is we'll make sure someone is carrying the phone along and we'll just prop it outside the bathroom. I'm not that deranged, but we will verify. We'll still be live, but I'll be behind the door of modesty. You're going to use a bedpan or a catheter maybe? We're working on that one.

It'll be funnier. I suspect it'll probably only be on TikTok or something. What do you think, folks? Send us your comments. How should Blake pass the election if he vows to not go off air? Should we get him a bucket? We'll just call it the Blake bucket.

and the Blake Bucket will be in the corner, not like the corner of the room, like some sort of outside, you know, quarter of the parking lot where you can go at five in the morning or three in the morning or whatever it is and deal with the fentanyl zombies out there. And yes, that will be the Blake Bucket and none of us need to worry about that. It's going to be great, Jack. I'm going to be, I'm going to have a full blast. I mean,

I won't be off air. Maybe I'll be not paying super close attention. Maybe I'll start boring whoever is on TikTok at, I don't know, 7 in the morning and just start droning on about reading Alexander to Actium or something. Which I have been reading. It is 600 pages long. So I can probably get a lot of that done during the downtime. But I don't know. Elections are so much fun. My thought process was I'll literally just be on my computer all day in the aftermath just

looking at the election results. So we might as well share it with the masses. And if it goes long enough, who knows? It could be a legendary stream. Yeah, there is an... Well, more than one stream. There's an interesting kind of thing that happens with elections where...

It's like, and you can already kind of feel it happening in a sense because the early vote is, it's just weird. So the momentum is weird because normally this would be the closing phase of the election, but because people have already voted, it's sort of like the close is already, like it's already begun to close in a sense. And I think with, so Trump's going to what, Madison Square Garden, I think in 10 days here. And then that's really going to be the crescendo of this kind of starting next week. But yeah,

You know, typically you would see the close of the election. And I think that because of early voting, that sort of changed for a lot of people. But basically with election day itself, when it's I guess what I'm trying to say is when it's a normal election day, when it's, you know, a one day of voting or something that despite all your schemes and your plans and your operations and your October surprises and your successes and your victories and your failures and your bumps along the way, election day just kind of happened.

It's sort of just you build up all this momentum to one 24-hour period and then you just sort of lose control of it and then people just...

they just go, you know, the decisions are made that the tumblers have locked and it, and it just happens. And it's sort of out of your hands at that point. There really isn't much happening all at once that it overwhelms whatever system you could actually have. I remember in 2012, there was the Mitt Romney Orca app that was going to centralize their get out. Oh my gosh. Oh, there's a, there's a hiccup with it. So bad. No time to deal with it. And I,

I even remember in 2016, what was it? There was like a website that was supposed to be like tracking Hillary Clinton's vote as it came in over the course of the day. And they were like claiming they already knew that the election was over and Hillary had won at 2.30 in the afternoon or something. And then they just got clowned on it. To this day, I have no idea what they were actually doing there. They just claimed they had the numbers for it. But...

Yeah, it's just there's so much information happening all at once in 50 states. And then there's House and there's Senate and there's the presidential stuff. And you're going to have all these things go viral. One thing that'll just be – it'll be on us to watch this is you're going to have videos that people post on Twitter where they're going to be like, this proves the fraud is happening because this person's getting this ballot. I'm like, you know, the truth is a lot of that will be bogus, will be red herrings.

This year we'll even maybe have like AI deep fakes of things going on. You'll have wild claims from the left, some claims from the right. Just everything is going to be as chaotic as possible. And it will be our job to help shepherd people through. Even an election you win is a is a trying, difficult time. Take it from me. Hopefully it will be one that we win, though. And I mean, so that's I see a lot of good signs.

I see good signs, but at the same time, you know, the polls are not something we want to go by. Polls are for firefighters and, as Charlie mentioned, something else the other day. But no, what I'm going to be doing is you're going to be there on air the whole time. My plan is actually to be going through, like I've done the past two presidential elections and so many elections prior to this, I'm going to spend Election Day in...

in my hometown of Norristown and then my home city of Philadelphia. And usually what I do is I start around 7:00 AM or 8:00 AM and I get out there as soon as possible. And then I just start riding around. I literally just start riding everywhere that I can

to get to the various places that are going on. I look into a lot of, and in many cases, like in 2020, we had that video from Will Chamberlain, who was working as an election lawyer, a volunteer.

with these task forces in one ward in Philadelphia of a guy getting thrown out of a poll watcher, getting thrown out of one of the election, the polling locations in Philadelphia. And that went, as you said, super viral. And we were able to confirm that that did in fact happen. Will went down as a lawyer and was able to document all of it. And so, you know, various things like that that will be going on throughout the city of Philadelphia. And then

I am going to hop on a plane so I will not be able to be broadcasting the entire time because I'm going to go throughout Philadelphia then I'm going to hop on the plane and then I will join you on the stream as soon as possible so you know I'm sure I'll have like what if what if you miss all the excitement no no it won't it won't because I figured this out uh I've been looking at flights

and and doing the physics of this that i can actually hop on a plane right before polls close in philadelphia and make it to phoenix before the polls close in arizona yeah but jack you don't understand what if we win so big that they look at the numbers and they say only 10 of the vote is in but donald trump he's going to win pennsylvania because he's getting

80% of the vote in Philadelphia. And then, so we know he's got it. Then that's still a win. He'll have already called. And I get to be there for the party. That's a win is a win, baby. They'll already have called New York for Trump. They'll have called, like, the Madison Square Garden rally will swing it. Oh, so New York and he's at the Bronx right now. They'll get New Jersey. It'll just be a total sweep. Virginia, the old Dominion State falls.

Yunkin delivers Virginia, then we go down, we get North Carolina, we get Georgia, we get the 30 out of Florida, and we call it an early night, and we go home. We'll be here. We'll be celebrating. People will be looking around, and they'll be saying, where's Jack? I don't see... Where's Jack? And everyone will be wondering, and they'll just conclude, it must be that he didn't believe. He must have abandoned us, and then they'll all be really sad. That's what people are going to think, Jack. Because people have already seen my videos going incredibly viral all throughout the day.

All throughout, which, by the way, if that happens, if it does look like that happens, then what I will probably end up doing is when I'm at the airport, I'll literally just go and change and buy a ticket to another flight. Maybe I'll fly down to like Mar-a-Lago or something and be like, yeah, forget that plane. I'm going on this one over here. And then you won't even have to go through security. It'll be so easy.

There's so many things we could... That's what I... Well, so in 2016, that is kind of similar to what I did. So it looked as though Trump was going to win Pennsylvania based on the fact that in all the wards of Philly, when I went down to South Philly, I went to North Philly, I went to West Philly, I was in Center City, and...

And there was just no, so typically when people vote on election day, and this, again, this was the old way we did elections. So we're not going to have any, you know, data on this going into it. But the old way people voted was that you'd vote on election day and there'd be essentially three periods of heavy voting. The first would be the pre-work vote. Like my mom was big on that. She's a big pre-work voter. You know, before she goes to work, she's going to that polling place. She's there at 730. She's just one of these, you know, A-type personalities.

and she would always be there beforehand, and then I'd get there later. And then you get sort of like a lunchtime rush as well. So the pre-work voter then leads into the lunchtime voter.

So you get people, if they're polling places, you know, if it makes sense, if it's conducive, they'll go at lunchtime. And then you get the afternoon lull. And the afternoon lull usually goes from about 2 p.m. to around 4, 430. And back in the day, if there used to be any funny business, that's when you would really look for it is in the afternoon lull or about 230 to 230 to about 4, 430. And then you get the after work rush. And that would start predominantly 430 and then go all the way until the end of voting at 8 p.m.

And so that after work rush is what you were really looking for in areas to see whether or not you're going to have high turnout in those districts. So in the city of Philadelphia, you know, it wasn't so much the early voting because let's just face it, people in Philly are not early risers. But if you were looking for a big Philly vote, you would be looking for that in the evening. We didn't see that in 2016. And so when we didn't see that, I said, Donald Trump's going to win Pennsylvania.

And if Donald Trump wins Pennsylvania, which at the time, I think we had 20 electoral college votes or maybe even 21 that I said, if he wins Pennsylvania, he's going to be the president. So I drove right over to 30th Street Station because at the time he was up in New York.

I bought a train ticket and I was like, bye. And I just left Philly around like 7 p.m. and I made it to New York around nine. And then even even though that night we did not get an answer until, as everyone remembers, three in the morning there at the Midtown Hilton. And can, of course, say I was in attendance. And as we remember, the immortal, immortal words, sorry to keep you waiting. Complicated business.

You know what's crazy about that is that do you remember Donald Trump's son, Barron, was like a little kid at that that night. And now he's like this this Titan, like six foot nine towering figure. But it's like, wait, he was a little kid. No, doesn't feel like it was that long ago, but it kind of was.

So Andrew's suggesting we should talk about this while we wait. You've probably seen the story, Jack. We've got this story in The New York Post. This is just published yesterday. Pennsylvania Dems rip the Harris campaign just weeks before the election. They say she is a wall. They say they are being out messaged. They say it's it's really bad. And I guess what I would say is I feel like there has been a whole.

There's like a cottage industry on both sides of the articles that are people like pre pre leaking so they can say that they were they were sounding the alarm before defeat. Because I do think I feel like I do see this from our side as well. But we're seeing a lot of it from the Democrats, too.

Yeah, so I was on War Room the other day talking about this one, actually last night, I guess, with Natalie Winters. And look, I mean, this is just a situation where you've got, so it's actually kind of interesting because what they're claiming is that Kamala Harris isn't using the parallel, she's created a parallel infrastructure system

to the existing Pennsylvania network of Democrats that has been in and existing on the ground, Philadelphia and the color counties of Montgomery, Delaware, Berks, Bucks, and then even out to Pennsylvania.

to uh like like the lancaster even quite potentially a little bit so what's interesting about it though is that and they're saying like oh well her campaign is not working with the instrument with the the structure democrats had this exact same complaint when another candidate ran and that candidate's name was barack obama and that was 2008 he famously did this this was the blackberry era and oh he's using social media and he's revitalizing the system and he's changing the game and

And what was different, though, was that Barack Obama was a monumental candidate. Barack Obama was a candidate that had a real movement behind him. So he was a movement candidate. Donald Trump was a movement candidate in 2016. Kamala Harris is not a movement candidate. When you're not a movement candidate, you don't have the ability to do that because she's a machine candidate. You need the machine to put you over it. The machine is the reason that she's so close right now in all of the polls.

And so when you see this and you're looking at the New York Post has the article, Politico I think had the article earlier with Holly Otterbein who, by the way, Holly Otterbein, I know that when for folks who read Politico playbook, that's kind of like reading Pravda in his vestia, but Holly Otterbein is one of the few people over at Politico that actually does her job and has real sources.

And when she digs into stuff in the state of Pennsylvania, she really knows what she's doing and really knows who she's talking to. And so you're seeing that same exact kind of phrasing come out. But the difference being that while Barack Obama was running away with things in 2008, what you're now starting to see is the finger pointing. And of course, the real thing that everyone's kind of dancing around here is, and I'm just double checking this with the

New York Post article. Yeah, it's not here. The real question. Okay. They may have a little bit, but the real question is where is Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania? Because shouldn't Josh Shapiro be the one who's actually running the campaign in Pennsylvania? Maybe not, you know, on a day-to-day basis, but you'd think that if Josh Shapiro really was, uh,

going to bat for her that you'd be seeing him all over the place in Pennsylvania. You'd see him at events with her in Pennsylvania. This is the current governor, Josh Shapiro, who was of course humiliated by Kamala Harris when she refused to pick him for the VP pick when she completely passed him over for this guy, Tim Walls, who's an absolute lightweight, an absolute nut job. And there's, there's a reference to him, but I don't know.

I don't know if the article is really picking up on it as much as they should, that the issue in Pennsylvania isn't so much what the campaign's problems are, but what the campaign is not doing. And by not linking in with Josh Shapiro and this guy, by the way, all of Josh Shapiro's infrastructure is the local parties and the local unions in Pennsylvania. So the fact that he's not out there whipping those union votes for her, the fact that Josh Shapiro is not going to bat for her. Remember,

Two things, right? There's two dynamics at play with that. Number one, Josh Shapiro got passed over and humiliated, and it was hilarious, and I loved every second of it, certainly. But number two, he's also got a political reason to want to do this as well, because Josh Shapiro wants to run for president one day, and he wants to run very soon. And if Josh Shapiro sees Kamala Harris get elected, then that means she is going to be an incumbent, and therefore she would be running for re-election, which means he would have to wait another eight years

years until 2032 before he could run for president, which would be past the time that he was a governor versus running for president while he's still a governor, which he could do because if Donald Trump wins...

then Donald Trump is term limited to only one more term. Josh Shapiro could then run as the sitting governor, run for president in 2028. And that is what Shapiro really wants. And he knows this. And so that's why he's getting his name out there. But then he's, you know, fading back into the scenery and is more than willing to let Kamala Harris take the fall for anything that goes on, because then it gives him in his mind an opportunity

open path directly to the White House. But I don't know, Blake, you know, you're looking at it from outside of Pennsylvania. Maybe I'm, you know, too biased on my take. What do you get out of these articles? Now I'm just thinking, like,

Is Josh Shapiro going to be able to run in four years? I just feel like all of the reasons they had for shutting him down this time could be even worse in four years. The Democrats really are getting very beholden to this, you know, fanonist left wing kind of lunacy anti-civilization thing. And I do think you might see a state of things where they just say you can't run a Zionist Jewish guy for president on the left. It'll

It'll make too many people too angry. A guy who was an IDF volunteer. Yes, exactly. That was literally an IDF volunteer. Like, it's not just that he's Jewish, right? It's that he actually volunteered for the IDF. He worked for the Israeli embassy at one point in Washington, D.C. And in their, I think it was the political affairs section, you know, basically doing PR type work. And yes, I think he was doing a summer. It was sort of like one of these Aliyah type trips. And.

And then he was volunteering and his campaign was like very, or his office was very reluctant to put it out there. They said, well, he volunteered. And some of the volunteering involved public service. And that public service may have taken place on a,

a government facility and they just kept moving it back for this like so you're an idf volunteer well no not exactly it was you know more of a ceremonial volunteership for the security of israel and yeah you're an idf volunteer josh so it's you know he's really his fish out of water because i should excuse me excuse me fish out of water since we're talking pennsylvania that um

Which is totally the way that I actually say it. And usually when I say I talk on air, I try to like I try to not say Wooder. But, you know, I don't know what can I say if I'm talking to Pennsylvanians? It's Wooder, Wooder, Wooder, baby. And so he's really just part of this party that doesn't really exist anymore nationally for the Democrats, as you say, that, yeah, he can get elected in a state like Pennsylvania. But you bring that to some of these areas like Michigan, Washington.

or Northern Virginia or parts of Minnesota, and he's going to get run out of town. And they absolutely know this. And that's one of the main reasons. And plus, he's got a lot of skeletons in his closet. They're covering up the murder of this young girl, Ellen Greenberg, you know, stabbed 20 times in the front and 10 times in the front, 10 times in the back. And they say, you know, he's ruled it was a suicide. Like, come on.

It's a complete joke. Plus, because you have to think the way the Democrats think, he has a real problem on his hands in a primary because of him covering up the sexual harassment by Mike Vareb, his secretary of legislative affairs, a former Republican, traitorous Republican, just like Al Schmidt, who was serving in Shapiro's cabinet because this guy was conducting...

Sexual harassment of a senior staffer, something that Shapiro knew about. He lied about this. He lied about not knowing about it. But it went on for like 18 months, even after she reported it. And Shapiro didn't want to blow up his relationship with this one, you know, sort of nominal rhino Republican, Mike Barrett, who's an absolute drunk and a lush. I used to see him get drunk and walk around Walmart at like at like noon in the middle of the day down in Pennsylvania. Yeah.

And, you know, he's got a lot of issues because he's been willing to just do whatever it takes to get to the top and probably didn't have to do all of those things, but he still did them. And so, yeah, you know, to your question, will Shapiro be able to run in 28? I don't know, but he certainly is going to make a play for it. And that's, and so in his mind, he's,

Whether or not he's able to run isn't the issue. The issue is, does he have the incentive, just basic game theory, to really help Kamala all that much if he wants to run in 28? And I would argue that he doesn't. Man, if it's not him, who else? Someone in our chat says they think they'll push Newsome. And I certainly imagine Newsome will push Newsome. Gavin Newsome. But...

I struggle to see. I feel like he'll be old news by then. He won't be in office anymore. I think he gets out of office by, I think he'd be out in spring of 26th.

He'd be at eight years. I think their term limited in California. Yeah, he'll be out. But I mean, Gavin Newsom, he has an ability. He knows how to make media. He knows he's tight in tight with Hollywood. He's in tight with Silicon Valley. He'll do like some crypto thing or he'll do some Silicon Valley thing. And I think there's plenty of ways for him to keep his name out there. Or, you know, you'll see, by the way, what you'll see is if Trump does end up winning, he'll be out.

then Newsom will be like the thorn in his side and he'll be like announcing lawsuits against Donald Trump every time he wants to deport someone. I think you could still see someone like Whitmer, I think...

Uh, I feel like Kamala, assuming in this reality that Kamala is on such a VP track, she's just such on a VP track though. I just, I don't see her as a nationwide candidate. I really don't. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I guess what I think with is I think Kamala losing will somewhat damage the California brand a bit. I don't,

Yeah, like if he's the defiant guy opposing Trump, there might be a bit of that. But I've just always felt like Newsom – Newsom is always in the news because he's always such a self-promoter. I don't know that that many people really, really love Gavin Newsom. I just feel like it could be someone we aren't really thinking of right now in four years. I mean –

There's a lot of people it could be. I mean, look, Pete, look, I always say people about this or tell people about this, that Pete Buttigieg was like the mayor of South Bend, Indiana. Like, Blake, could you name the mayor of South Bend, Indiana right now off the top of your head? I can't even name a coach. Not even Blake Neff can do it. Yeah, there you go. So that guy went and became a...

you know, just a national figure pretty much overnight based again on his own ambition, very much like Josh Shapiro and was able to, you know, politically prostitute himself out for enough Silicon Valley and Hollywood money that he was able to get out there. And he,

you know, sort of, you know, rigged the Democrat primary in Iowa in back in 2019 going into 2020. And, you know, he made a real name for himself. And he goes from being the mayor of this town in Indiana to now being a national figure and someone who's directly in the cabinet. So, you know, is there another Pete Buttigieg waiting in the wings? And these guys, it's like they roll off like the Obama factory, you know.

You gotta talk this way and you gotta do that thing where you push all the air out of your lungs when you talk. And that's exactly what Josh Shapiro does and I've seen Buttigieg do this as well.

And although I will say, though, I don't think that Buttigieg's time in office has done him any favors. I mean, he's mostly associated with like the government failures of Biden. I mean, from East Palestine to Hurricane Helene to Hurricane Milton, probably like 10 other things that I'm thinking of. Like this guy is just all the airplane issues. Look at all the airplane issues that we've talked about here already.

on thought crime over the time that I just, I think Buttigieg has actually been damaged just by being associated with the Obama administration or excuse me, the Biden administration. You're mentioning Buttigieg, but the other person who comes to mind that could influence this is Vivek. Vivek is just...

a businessman who ran and talked well and used the debates and so on to... in Twitter to slingshot himself forward. And he was at least talked about as a potential VP pick. He's definitely talked about as a potential guy in Trump's cabinet or in the Senate and so on. So I think you could...

with him as a model, almost anyone could run for president for the Democrats. You could just have, I feel like Mark Cuban wants to do that. That's why he was doing a rally with Kamala today.

He has his own big issues without getting into it. Ah, alas, we've got our two special guests here. They're coming in. We've got some special guests here joining us on Thought Crime. He's putting in a zen. Blake, who do we got? What's up, everybody? Don is putting in a zen. We got Charlie Kirk here and next to you, Blake. Welcome to Thought Crime, man. Good to be here.

So, um, don't let Don know about the bucket. What'd you say? Uh, it's a secret. He'll have to. No, don't worry about it, Charlie. Don't worry about it. The secret. Oh, got Jack here. Oh, wow. So we do this show. Very nice. Um, we just came from a killer event out in queen Creek.

And we've had a full day here. So Don, update us. What are you hearing and seeing on the ground? Feels great on the ground. Enthusiasm's insane. Demographics that would have never otherwise been really vocal, just like,

screaming in a positive way like across airports you know not like at a MAGA rally or an event that I'm going to. Who's your number one community of selfies right now? Right now? African American men. Like if you take it per capita maybe not overall but like African American men right now are almost certainly like number one per capita. It's actually amazing. It's been incredible.

That's wild. So the Don, we're seeing that on the ground and in the data. In fact, I bet we have some tape of them freaking out about this. Don Lamont came out and has said that he keeps on hearing from black men that they're going to vote for Trump. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, and it's funny. You saw the Obama thing basically chastising black men like, you know, basically you're racist if you don't vote for a woman. It's like maybe she's just incompetent. Maybe it has nothing to do with race. Maybe her policies have failed politically.

her communities and they failed America and we're living through a cost of living crisis created by Harris Biden. And, you know, she jailed all sorts of people for, you know, ridiculous minor offenses. And now she's trying to pretend that, you know, run from that. Maybe they just see through the BS. And I think they do. I mean,

You know, Stephen Smith from ESPN, not exactly a conservative guy. Not at all. I mean, he went off on the Obama thing the other day. I'm like, I agree with him 100%. Like, you know, he gets it. I think he's seeing these things. And so I'm actually seeing it, you know, a lot more with women than I ever had before. But it's the men are very dominant. Yeah, for sure. The men are sick of this crap. So, Blake, what is the data showing in this? I mean, by the way, Blake, meet Donna. You got to know each other. I'm sorry. Yeah.

Blake is the smartest person I know, and he has to live up to this. Blake, what is the data showing? Well, I mean, I was just over at Turning Point Action today and was asking them, you know, what's your read on the situation? And obviously, we want to be upbeat. We don't want to give in to hopium either. They just said, you know, the numbers are very strong, certainly here in Arizona, where

Overall, there's more Republicans than Democrats in Arizona. And so Democrats have had to beat us on turnout and independence to get the results they did. But early vote in the last few cycles was about even or slightly favorable to Democrats. Now we're way out in front. And they say the turnout is better for our groups. It's better in our areas. Their turnout is down. You're also seeing that in Georgia. There was that image I shared with you earlier today where if you take...

the top third of the counties in Georgia in terms of turnout. Can we get that graphic, please? I'll bring it up as soon as we can. But, you know, it's overwhelming these red counties. Yeah, they said the same thing. I just read something on X. Yancey County in North Carolina, like one of the hardest, I was actually there on Monday, one of the hardest hit areas by the hurricane damage, like record, record lines to vote.

Like on the first day of early voting. Yeah. These are people that lost their homes and they saw the response, the disastrous, pathetic response from FEMA. They watched us send one hundred and seventy five million dollars to Lebanon overnight for nothing. They watched us give another four hundred fifty to Zelensky last night and they got a seven hundred fifty dollar loan. Those people, you know, they're lining up in droves. I was there. I didn't even want to ask about it. Like I was like, hey, you just lost your home. You lost a loved one. You like and they're like.

Hey, you know, we're going to vote like we've never seen. And I'm like, I don't want to ask. I don't want to be that guy. But, you know, these people understand what their government has done to them. We're second class citizens in our own country. So look at this, Don. Let's play 99 on screen. What else do you notice about this map? This is the heat map of Georgia of counties that are out voting versus 2020. It's hard to tell on this specific is so distant. But on the northern part is the is the darkest red, which means that they're outperforming

Guess what? That's where the flood also hit. This is just where that was. That was where that swept through. It wasn't the bottom part of the state. It missed. I don't think it's even relative to 2020. This is just if you take the top third of counties in Georgia in terms of early vote turnout so far, like which ones are having the highest turnout. And yeah, as you say, it's in the flood area. 2020 margin, though. Yeah.

no the 2020 margin is then the color of them is how did they vote in 2020 so you're saying these are the top third of the counties and then how did they vote so you get a read on who's trying i see what you're saying it's all these red counties and yeah what's not in the top third is fulton de cobb cobb all of these counties uh yeah exactly why would there be any enthusiasm for the democrats there right now like you know you know they'll get up their machine again hey we're

Don't celebrate. The polling is great. It's like, it doesn't matter, dude. I think half the polling is designed to either demoralize you so you stay at home or get you overconfident so you stay at home. Everyone's got to bank. Everyone's got to run. You're the third monkey getting on the ark and it's starting to rain. Just get out there and do it and then bring all your friends.

I'm using that. Listen, I think it's very descriptive. It's like that's where we are as a country. Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. I was in North Carolina, like I said, earlier this week. Reinforcements. Thank you. I was talking with Richard Petty, the famous NASCAR driver, and he's like –

At this point, you're either an American or you're a Democrat. Like there's no and he's right. You know, there's no policies that put Americans first. There's no policies that have the interests of our people in mind. It's everyone else. And that's why they've that's why I'm taking the selfies with the people that I'm taking these days. They get that, too. And so rather than, God forbid, the Democrats actually cater to Americans and change their ridiculous policies, they just said, you know what? Instead, we're just going to import a bunch of voters or cheat.

That's their game plan. I totally agree, and I just want to reiterate the map we were looking at, which is the point you were making, Don. If we could put that map up one more time. The hottest counties are the ones colored. Is that right, Blake? So the colored ones are in the top third. So we don't see the rank or anything from that. No, no, no. But I'm just saying, though, that that correlates what you're saying, Don, that even the ones that were destroyed by the flood –

are rising up and voting, especially because of the lack of response right now. Yeah, like I said, I was in Yancey County. That was the one that was a similar thing. It was the highest turnout in North Carolina.

Probably the hardest hit county there. And the fire chief, we were there with the great people at Samaritan's Purse. If you guys want to contribute to that thing, go check out Samaritan'sPurse.org or .com. They're amazing. I mean, we're flying in on Black Hawk helicopters. We're dropping off generators. I didn't want to be there because I'm taking up space that could maybe be a generator. And I just didn't want to be that guy. But I didn't want to see it with my own eyes because I wanted to see what's true and what's not. It's much worse than anything you actually saw on TV.

much more devastation. I saw the worst of mother nature, but also the best of humanity. And some of these people, they came up when they saw me, they were like, oh, thank God. Someone's just listening. Someone actually cares. And it was like, well, where's FEMA? We haven't seen him yet.

I'm asking the police chief. These are not people that are biased. And, you know, I think some of the Army Reserves and stuff like that were helping. And, you know, but FEMA was missing and Samaritan's Purse was doing all this incredible work. I mean, literally running missions, helicopter, multiple Blackhawk helicopters flying in that they have on their own. You know, this is their backyard. They do this stuff around the world in disaster relief. But it literally happened in their backyard in like Boone, you know, North Carolina. And they were.

Absolutely. I wish we could literally just eliminate FEMA, give them all the budget in the world to expand their operations center. I mean, it looked like something that you'd imagine being the CIA. It was incredible. And so that's real Americans doing real work, whether it was delivering generators, whether it was helping some of the areas where people's homes were literally destroyed.

I saw homes where the water line was above their refrigerator. They're shoveling out mud from their kitchens because it was three feet of mud in there and ripping out all. I mean, this isn't days or weeks of work. This is years, if ever, in terms of recovery. And it was being done by ordinary citizens.

volunteers from all over the country came in to help. It was special, and the government felt like it was totally absent. Let's play cut 100 here, and I want you to react to it. You're talking to a lot of voters, and I will just say that you texted me right around the Democratic convention, and you said...

I am talking to people and Kamala Harris has a problem with black men. Yeah. And I told the campaign I did not hear from them. I mean, who am I for them to get back to me? But there's a problem. And look, I went to from battleground state to battleground state. When they invited me to the convention, I didn't just want to fly there. I said, I'm going to I'm going to go and talk to voters in battleground states. And I did. It was not curated. I went up to people just doing man on the street. Who are you going to vote for? Black men. And time after time after time, they said, I'm voting for Donald Trump. Why?

Now, there are reasons why they said, because most of the time they said, well, you know, for economic reasons.

Right. Or because he gave me a stimulus check and I had to correct them over and over and tell them where that that stimulus check came from the Democratic Congress and from Nancy Pelosi and that Donald Trump actually held the check up so that his name could be put on the check. So they think they got the check directly from him. Meanwhile, Joe Biden has given one or two stimulus checks as well, but they seem not to know and understand that you can vote for whoever you want to vote for. But.

But the reasons that you're going to vote for them, I think that they should be accurate and factual and you should know why you're supporting someone.

Well, I didn't know Don Lamont was back on CNN. I didn't either, but I don't think a stimulus check matters when your cost of living goes up 25%, when cost of groceries are up 50%, when everything across the board that you need. And the bias out there is so crazy. I always talk about the Paul Krugman, we have inflation under control, which is cost. And I'm looking, I'm like, what are you talking about? I have an economics major from Wharton. I think I should probably have a decent understanding of that. I don't see it with my own eyes.

And then I'm looking at the chart, and there's a little asterisk at the bottom. Paul Krugman, right? He won the Nobel Prize in economics. So you'd think he'd know something about economics. You'd be wrong, because the asterisk said, if you discount or don't include housing, transportation,

Food and energy. Oh, that's wonderful. We have inflation totally under control if you take out literally everything that you need to exist. Now, I know, you know, Democrats, I'm sure there's a couple of things that they could buy that are a little bit cheaper that no other American would ever want or even imagine purchasing. But food, energy, housing and transportation. You know, if you if you if you take out all of that, everyone's doing great. I mean, these people are sick and they don't get it.

You know, you heard me say the story earlier, Charlie, when we were talking to a group out here in Arizona. It's like, right? I was just – because it hit me hard. And I'm not one of the guys on CNN that is pretty self-aware. Like, I get it. I'm the son of a billionaire from Manhattan. Like, I'm really blessed. I understand that. I don't pretend to be something I'm not. I took my kids on a fishing trip last summer, and we came back. We went to McDonald's. It was a 10-year-old, a 14-year-old, and me, and it was $48. And I was like, damn.

That's expensive. Like if Donald Trump Jr. has sticker shock at McDonald's, it's not going to change my habits. I'm not virtue signaling and pretending it's – you know, like whatever. But if I have sticker shock at McDonald's, it's a problem. It's a serious problem. Like if it bothers me, what does it do to a family making 50 grand? I make a good living. I mean obviously what you said. When I go to the grocery store, I'm like, wow, like $800 is – It's a lot. It's a lot.

I can afford it and super blessed, but I want to get Jack in on this. Jack, I mean, the disconnect between what the media is saying and average voters is remarkable. And what'd you make of that Don Lamont clip? Look, I mean, that, that Don Lamont thing is hilarious. The fact that CNN is so desperate now that they're bringing back Don Lamont, that they brought back Brian Stelter as well, because they can't apparently find anyone to shovel their crap out.

uh in a sycophantic way as as much as this is really kind of telling that nobody wants to go down with the ship cnn look you know and just talking about inflation right so uh tanya tay my wife had a a situation where you know she had this tweet where she was talking about the same thing about going to grocery store and you know she and you know tiny's got a you know an interesting people know her background she from the soviet union came to the us from eastern europe

But she still very much has that sort of sticker shock of like, why does food here cost so much? And then when she goes to the grocery store and, you know, we've got two little boys and myself and, you know, we have family in and out all the time. So she's like, wait, why is this food costing me so much? And she runs, you know, she like keeps the books in the house. So she will tell me that she knows that.

that the food is going way, way, way up. We're spending way more money than we ever used to. And for her, it's like, yeah, like, you know, we do well. We do very fine. But it's still, to her, just this massive sticker shock. And, like, I always joke that lately it's like I walk out the house, like I walk out the door with the family and I spend $100 before I get to the car these days, I swear. Well, but also you bring out Don Lamond to talk about, like, you know –

I don't know, not exactly representative. I think Antonio Brown has a much better feel of what's going on with African-American men, to explain it. I mean, it's sort of funny watching him, all the things that he's doing out there right now, and he's having that real conversation. Hampton's Don Lamont is probably not the best representative. It's that pandering. They really don't understand because they're incapable of either putting themselves in those shoes. They really look down on...

It's a reliable voter, but otherwise they wouldn't be caught dead hanging out with some of these ordinary Americans. And I think that was sort of what surprised the whole world about Trump is he doesn't pretend to be something he's not, but he was still relatable to people and he understood their problems because he grew up on construction sites and he understood those workers. He listens to them. There's a difference. The Democrats don't have any of that. I remember a couple of weeks ago with the Tim Walz thing, MAGA's really afraid of his masculinity. I'm looking at this guy, I'm like,

I don't know, dude. I haven't seen a wrist so limp in a long time. And I grew up in New York City. I don't know. I'm just not intimidated. No, no, no. He's a big gun guy. I watched him the other day take 45 seconds to load a shotgun. I'm like, I'll do the video this weekend if I ever make it home. I'm on the road too much. But you can blindfold me. Hand me three shotgun shells. I will load a shotgun in four seconds. It's not that hard. But...

That's the left's idea of masculinity. Was it an over-under or no? It was not an over-under. No, it was an auto-loader, but it's easier. That's what I'm asking. It's like you drop a shell in, you drop the slide, you put two in the bottom. It's not that hard. Also, he was bragging about how he's like this shooter. He's a great trap shooter. If you're a competitive trap shooter, you're probably also not shooting a flat-grip gun. Minor details. You can do it. I will occasionally, but if you're a dedicated—

So they try to catch these sound bites, but then anyone who actually is in the know, anyone who actually does this stuff, like it's laughable. They went on a three and a half hour pheasant hunt. They shot at one bird and didn't kill any because they probably did that on purpose because they couldn't actually kill. They just want to appear like they're hunters, but they wouldn't actually do something. You know, it's all a big lie. And the reality is the more they push that and then try to try to show the people like anyone who's real.

actually sees it and you realize it's a big, deep fake. Let's play another piece of tape here, and let's play Cut 18. It is Debbie Dingle. Play Cut 18. You just heard Donald Trump making his appeal to black men quite explicit. Your friend, Congresswoman Debbie Dingle, who you campaigned with in Michigan, says...

that the message she's hearing from black men is, quote, Democrats take us for granted. Donald Trump talks to us directly. Are you concerned about black men voting for Trump or staying home? Well, thank you very much for having me. Yes, I am concerned about black men staying home or voting for Trump. We're seeing more and more evidence of this stuff.

Like I said, I do this a lot. I've been on the road for almost basically at least a few days a week for the last three months and almost every day for the last two months, and it's

You know, it's not like these are people that go to a MAGA rally and they're conservative, you know, black men. These are people that see me at an airport and are like, I got to take a selfie with you. Keep doing what you're doing. I love you guys. We were totally wrong. You know, it's almost an acknowledgment sometimes that, you know, hey, you know, we bought into the BS, we bought into the lies, and we were wrong. And now we see it with our own eyes, and we're not letting that happen anymore. So, you know, it's not like it's just, you know,

you know, I'm willing it into existence. Like I see it. People are commenting like, wow, that's strange. Like literally you haven't walked by an African-American man in an airport that didn't take a selfie with you all day. And I've been through three airports that day kind of thing. You know, it's not like, you know, some sort of bias that I'm making up in my head. It's like very palpable that it's different. It's changed. And that's before we even start talking about like Hispanics who are like, I know, you know, I mean,

you know, they're as MAGA as it gets right now. All right, Don. So we have 15 minutes remaining on the show. We do nonpolitical thought crime topics too. Okay. Now it is an election season. So the real thought crime stuff, we're not going to get into instead. We're going to go a controversy that I was involved in this last week. And I want your post a photo.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. No, no, no, no, no. Don't let him pre-defend himself. No, hold on. No, no, no, no, no. Put up the photo. Put up the photo. I haven't even seen it. Let him gaze upon it. Put it up. Put it up. There we go. Zoom in here. I don't know if they can zoom it in. Context matters here, guys. No, no context should be allowed. He is at an Oregon Ducks game. And if you zoom in there, if you gaze at his, at what would be his left ear at the right end of the photo, he has...

What's that in your ear, Charlie? An ear plug within his ear. Is that an ear plug? To conceal himself from the true authentic sounds of the game. I have a very simple question for Don. Do you ever wear ear protection when you shoot? At a football game. When I shoot, yes. Okay, well, it's the same decibel. You have to do it when you shoot. It's the same decibel level. You're not shooting. Oh, stop. It's 127 decibels. I do have to be objective.

I have taken my daughter to one of these concerts when we're sitting front row at a concert or something where it's just so loud. And I hate the music. I will. I have done that. But at a football game. Charlie, did you see Taylor Swift? Are you guys coming out here? Did you go to a Taylor Swift concert? This is not a normal stadium, guys. Charlie, are you a Democrat?

Are you eating a lot of soy? There's some things you rather just lose your hearing for. It's like it's worth it. It's just you got to eat the man card. It's just worth it. It's loud. It's like a gunshot. It's 127 decibels, which is louder than a music concert. It's not a normal stadium.

Were the other people wearing? Many other people had. People had like. Many others, like three. I have my hearing today and they don't. Did Don Jr. just say that he went to a Taylor Swift concert? No, I did not say that. Now, back in New York. What were these concerts? At Madison Square Garden before I'd get killed. Although I think that's changing now, too.

By the way, that's the truth. Like, you know, when I when I went up to New York a bunch, I basically avoid it like the plague. I've been like a political refugee from New York, from the People's Republic of New York down to Florida. But like, you know, I went up a bunch with my father with some of the nonsense trials and I was sort of opening and closing witness on some of the nonsense that looks like looks pretty good right now in terms of getting overturned. But you still got to deal with it.

it. But like, I'd be walking down the streets and like, you know, same thing, you know, garbage men, these blue collar workers, like just running out of their trucks, taking selfies because like they see what's going on in those cities. I see women that, you know, I worked with the professional women lawyers that commute from some of the suburbs or whatever. Now, now they do it in groups because they literally fear for their safety going by themselves, uh,

into new york city train stations i mean when i was you know in the early 2000s when i was a little bit wilder and a little you know whatever you know having fun in my early 20s uh you know going out new york so we got to four o'clock in the morning and take a subway home because it was like obviously it was fine i have i have three close friends who live in new york city and they're three for three and getting mugged in the biden years yeah i have a friend who their best friend was one of the people pushed in front of a train by one of these lunatics that they just let you know i mean it

it's real. The crime is insane. These areas that were once safe are no longer safe. Then you have the government housing. I know guys that own hotels in New York City that are making bank, not because the hotels are overperforming, but because the government is paying them to house migrants in luxury hotels in New York City. It's part of the conceit they do, because it's hard to get a homeless shelter approved. A hotel, people totally put up a hotel. 58th Street, which would be one of the more luxurious streets anywhere in Manhattan, it's literally just housing migrants right now. And like,

That's money that could be going to North Carolina. There's a FEMA spends almost a billion dollars housing migrants. Like that's not a federal emergency. That's intentional. They chose to do that. But when North Carolina has a flood, people lose their homes, their lives, Georgia. Well, sorry, we don't have any money left for you. You

You know, we can't do a we can't really spend it. We got to make sure we're taking care of the migrants that we brought in here who are illegal and probably in many cases don't add much value. And we'll be there'll be reliable Democrat voters, but there'll be a drain on the coffers forever. Should FEMA supply migrants with earplugs in case they go to school? I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure they supply them with anything that they want because they will never let me live this.

No, you're done. That's it. No, you're done, Charlie. I'm holding them to the stand, by the way. I'm going to bring you to an Oregon game, Jack. I'll have headphones. I'll have earplugs. I'm going to stare at you the whole time. Okay, Jack, can you hear me? I'm going to the Penn State-Ohio State game, Charlie. You should come. Beaver Stadium is built into the earth like a crater. It's the loudest stadium in the country. Come on out.

Come on out. I don't know. Wait, is it true once you lose your hearing, you can't get it back? There is truth to that. Yeah, I mean, like I said, if you're going shooting, wear your hearing protection. As a kid, even just shooting .22s and stuff like that, the volume, it's in and out with me. I don't have the full tinnitus, but I can have weeks of just constant ringing in my ear. You're not going to get that from one football game once a year, Charlie. Relax. Calm down, okay? When you shoot like I do multiple times a week, it's a little different.

Wow. We're going to have to put tampons in Charlie's bathroom, too. We're going to get Tim Walz to install tampons in the boys' bathroom over at Turning Point. Earplugs and tampons are not the same thing.

Tamp on Chuck. I mean, they're sold in the same aisle, Charlie. Anyway, the internet thought I should have worn earplugs. You guys agree. The facts are the facts. You guys all want to put earplugs on. Listen, I appreciate your resolve. You're sticking to it. I know I'm right. At least you're sticking to your guts. The facts are right. Again, I just looked it up. Did your wife wear earplugs? Of course. Obviously. I didn't see earplugs in that picture. Because the hair is blocking. Autzen Stadium gets to 127 decibels.

127 decibels. I just want to make sure everyone is clear because I have to be able to defend myself uninterrupted. Just so we are clear, 127 decibels is equivalent of sitting next to an ambulance siren for three hours.

I've heard sirens before and I never needed it. It'll be like one big touchdown play. You can see other ears in the photos. Other ears don't have earplugs in them. Biggest game of the year, it's October. It's not the biggest game of the year. So far, jet planes taking off. It's like game three? Relax, Charlie. Jackhammers, ambulances, and it's just shy of... It says exposure to noise levels greater than 140 decibels can permanently damage hearing. That's a hundred...

higher number than what you were saying. But sitting next to 127 is not good. But you said 127, which is lower than 130. It's not going to cause permanent damage, according to the AI overview that Google gives me. Yeah.

The AI is never wrong. I rested my case. What's the next thought crime? I guess we have to get out of here pretty soon. We could talk about the Michigan DEI thing if we want just because the quotes from that are amazing. Oh, I saw that. That was crazy. Go ahead. Navigate us through it. I just want to take on this because it's so funny. Let me bring it up here. It just shows the vibe shift too, the overall thing. Black men voting Trump is a vibe shift. So the New York Times

you know, with two, three weeks to go before an election, they send a reporter to the University of Michigan. And it's about, you know, a lot of schools are scaling back on their DEI stuff. And whatever you want to say about University of Michigan, they also have a loud stadium. They're not as into...

they are not backing off on the DEI juggernaut. So let's see. The number of employees who work in jobs that have diversity, equity, or inclusion in their job titles over the past year or so has gone up 70%, and it is now 241 people. Well, if I remember correctly, the title of the article... Pull up the title. It may be a different article, but it was something basically like,

The University of Michigan doubles down on DEI and it's failing. And it's like when the answer is in the title of the article, it's like they double down and it's not working. I was like, ah, it's almost shocking. It's almost like maybe there's something other than that. Hillary Rodham Clinton, the same thing where it was the, it was the whole plot. The answer is the title. That's right. They double down and it's failing. Like, huh?

What do you do about that then? That's right. You triple down? Because the whole premise of it's insane. But that's not going to stop academia. But what I also love with this is it says, you know, it's supposed to be, it was going to solve all of their problems. But it says, in a survey released in late 22, it

Students and faculty members reported a less positive campus climate than the program start and less of a sense of belonging. Students were less likely to interact with people of a different race or religion or with those with different politics. Instead, Michigan's DEI efforts have created a powerful conceptual framework for student and faculty grievances and a formidable bureaucratic mechanism to pursue them.

Every day, campus complaints and academic disagreements, professors and students told me, were now cast as crises of inclusion and harm, each demanding further administrative intervention or expansion. What's amazing to me is I know we always drag the New York Times, but what is very true is the New York Times article.

It is America's most famous newspaper. There's a reason, you know, even your dad talks to them all the time. They are the establishment newspaper and they have the ability more so than any other publication to just remake the national conversation. You know, like conservatives, you know, complained about porn for ages. And then when Nick Kristof did one op-ed going after Mind Geek, suddenly like you started getting laws passed against it.

And what you have here is the New York Times is saying, yeah, you know, a lot of places are going back on DEI, but, you know, University of Michigan isn't. And by the way, it's a huge disaster and is going horribly wrong. And so what is the message that the New York Times is putting out when they write that? And what are they kind of legitimizing for, you know, your New York Times centrist to think they're saying, OK, actually, 2020 was a bit much.

this whole nominating Kamala thing was a bit much. You know, maybe we actually need to go back to the whole merit thing or we're going to lose to the conservatives. They're going to beat us really bad. And I think that is the message they are communicating. And it's very, very promising that they're sending that message not even a month before a presidential election. Listen, I don't find them to be all that self-aware, but it's nice when they actually start doing it because, I mean, it's so obvious, but...

you need both sides to play along. Academia is obviously so slanted that way that they'll keep pushing it, but

you know, the whole premise of it is, you know, designed to fail for anyone who has, you know, sort of, let's call it above single digit IQ. Like, of course, that's going to be a problem. Of course, it's going to create grievance because the whole notion of it is about grievance. And that doesn't work. It's not going to work in the long run. It's not going to promote efficiencies and it's not going to promote success. And so, you know, this started all with Obama. And I mean, they've created this divisiveness that I think we'd love to eliminate. I mean,

And I think we're seeing that because now it's gotten so bad, it almost took it sort of like addiction, right? Sometimes you got to hit rock bottom before you can ever come out of it. And maybe we're at that point in so many of these things that are so asinine to us, but maybe not so obvious to others who, you know, don't follow it quite as intently or haven't been paying as much attention. And, you know, I think we're winning these cultural wars now for the first time in a long time.

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