THOUGHTCRIME: Clash of the Cabinet Edition
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Okay, everybody, it is Thought Crime Thursday. There's a lot of news happening here. A little news, Charlie? We got Jack in the same studio. I think it's the first time since our events. We also have Blake, and who else do we have? We have Tyler. Tyler, the boyer, the man. Show him on the camera.

Can you hear us, Charlie? Tyler's on a three-day water fast. How's that going, Tyler? By the time we finish today, I'll be over three days. What's the longest you've gone? This is the first time I've ever fasted for three days. I've done seven days three times. That's crazy. Never gone longer than that. I have a friend whose wife did a full Jesus fast once for Lent, 40 days to water. Wow. That sounds terrifying. It's so— Yeah.

No, go ahead, Blake. It's a pretty heady experience. Have you gotten to the part where your blood pressure drops so going downstairs is difficult?

I think my blood pressure is so high over this election cycle that I now feel normal. Okay. Well, maybe that's good. That was my experience. I lived on the second floor of a building, and I would try to go walk down the steps. And, like, you kind of have to – I don't know what it is, but, like, it's difficult to – that's what I always associate with long fasts is that it's weird to go down steps or even, like, an escalator going down. And then seven days is when you start feeling like, okay, this might be getting a little dramatic. Sure.

Charlie, how are things looking out there? Things are looking great. Jack, how are things looking out here? We're doing very, very well. The future is looking very, very bright. Very, very bright indeed. So I want to get everyone's reaction to the cabinet picks so far. Jack, what are your thoughts? I'm still not tired of winning. We are reaching levels of winning that were previously not thought possible. I mean, you take someone...

Obviously, the Matt Gaetz pick is huge. It's taking up all the attention. We'll talk about it. But Tulsi Gabbard at DNI is very subversive, and I love that because she's someone who went through the entire system...

of the military having served in war, having served in combat, learned that the intelligence community shape, which I learned when I was there, shapes intelligence to fit their political goals and then goes over and says, this is wrong. This is clear. They're clearly lying to policymakers. When the intelligence gets to DC, it all gets twisted to be whatever answer they want. And then finally she there served the answer and she can sit there now as the head of the entire intelligence community

and tell them all to pound sand. So I love it. Notwithstanding, of course, the thermonuclear warhead of Matt Gaetz. Yeah, so, I mean, what is your thoughts, Blake, on the cabinet selections so far? We got Tulsi Gabbard, got Matt Gaetz. Take your pick. Yeah, it's...

Yeah.

You have these phenomenally experienced people. You have people who've been around forever and their track record is, okay, they, they invaded Iraq. That was a disaster. They screwed, they fought for 20 years in Afghanistan and the Taliban got stronger pretty much the entire time. And then the government that we were propping up collapsed instantaneously. They're fighting the Houthis in Yemen and losing to them. They can't do basic things like this is the stuff that gets very little coverage in public, but

But, for example, we designed a thing called the Literal Combat Ship. It's supposed to operate in shallow waters. And it's basically a giant failure. Just worthless. Like, it is a ship for fighting in shallow waters, and it can't sail in shallow waters and can't fight. Right.

truly cataclysmically bad. And you'll get these reports, we can't really build ships anymore. All the guys who know how to do it are retiring. We're not getting new people in. I think China's shipbuilding capacity at this point is like 100 or 200 times greater than ours. We sent five or six years of weapons production to the Ukraine. We can't scale it up. We need all of our ships from China still.

All of these things are happening in the defense establishment. And then they're mad because we picked a guy who they're like, oh, he's a TV host. Okay. Yeah. He's also a smart guy who is a veteran of the military and he has a pretty good resume all across the board. And what you basically need is a wrecking ball who's not going into the DOD so that he can plan for his $5 million a year job from Raytheon afterwards. Yeah.

It just drives everything about this home to me. And can we get him through? We'll see. But I think it definitely shows the intent of the Trump administration to dramatically shake things up. And it says a lot that Hegseth is possibly only like the third most attention getting nomination that Trump has made so far. The Gates one, very strong reactions to that. We'll definitely see what unfolds with that one.

Tulsi Gabbard, I think it's going to be very entertaining to see all these... They're going to make very deranged attacks on some of these guys. I think with Tulsi, they're going to accuse her of being a Russian asset, and...

I don't think there was much evidence for that at any point, but they're going to make very, very deranged attacks, and I think that's going to really show what the battle lines are in DC, is who still takes people seriously when the people who failed over and over and over and over again start making these ad hominem attacks on people who are

Any threat at all to shake up how things are normally done. Tyler, your thoughts on how we're doing so far? It's it's looking pretty good, man. I can't wait for all the people who are going to quit because Matt Gates is going to get right in there. Like I just like the immediate thought I had was like people are literally boxing up their stuff right now. And it's the it's the most incredible thing considering where we've been.

It's incredible. I mean... I'm thinking, like, how many documents are they going to destroy?

It'll be like, remember the Mueller guy? I can't believe this wasn't a bigger scandal that the deputy on the Mueller investigation where they all erased their phones by forgetting the password and then putting in the wrong password 10 times in a row until the phone erased itself. And several of them did this. It was just the most blatant criminal behavior imaginable. And no one ever got charged or seriously investigated for this. I could see that happening. Just tons of it with the Garland people. I mean, going from Garland to Gates, uh,

is like the craziest turnaround in the history of human... No, seriously. In all of American history, Merrick Garland to Matt Gaetz, and it's funny because they have the same initials. They do. Which is hilarious to me, just the whole thing. And the Guardian's posting on their front page right now that Trump picks far-right congressman Matt Gaetz as attorney general. People, they're...

Reckless pick. Lawmakers express doubts. DOJ lawyer slam. Yeah, it's like this whole thing is just so funny. It's just like it's the greatest pick ever. Well, so here's something that I've been looking at. If people remember this, though, Merrick Garland, I don't think is anyone at this point is certainly not someone that anyone would describe as a

moderate. And yet when I went back and looked at the confirmation of Merrick Garland, he sailed right through. He sailed right through, even though there were people like Ted Cruz at the time who raised serious grievances and serious reservations about actually approving him as the confirmed attorney general. And I've been going through, so I went, Charlie, and I pulled up the list of

all the senators, including all the Republicans who voted for Merrick Garland. Some interesting names appear on this list. Susan Collins. Oh, wait, Charlie, what do you think? Murkowski? You think Murkowski voted yes? Let's see. Let's see. I bet she did. Charlie is 100% right. Murkowski said yes. Look at that. How about, oh, let's check our new Senate majority leader. Thune? Oh, I think he did, yeah. 100%. So John Thune voted for Merrick Garland?

There you go. John Thune, Merrick Garland. So, okay, John Thune from Blake's home state, you know, voting for Merrick Garland there. So how do you defend and also, wait a minute, Joni Ernst, because I saw she had a comment out there. Let's go see Joni Ernst and voted for Merrick Garland. And so all of these people, Charlie, how do you say that you voted for Merrick Garland, but you wouldn't vote for Matt Gaetz?

Well, it's because Matt Gaetz is going to disrupt the Department of Justice. Remember, Matt Gaetz was a target of the illegitimate fourth branch of government, the Department of Justice, with charges they were never able to prove. In fact, there was a blackmail scheme against Matt Gaetz, as you might remember. I remember the whole thing. That was just terrible. And...

And his dad. And his dad. And Matt Gaetz is now going to reform the Department of Justice and do it in a really profound and historic way. Lankford! Lankford voted for him. Lankford voted for Garland. Well, let me put you at ease. Let me put you at ease, Jack.

I don't think anyone's going to have to vote for him. What do you mean? So, so the recess, right? So this is why, this is why Trump was pushing so hard. And I believe Charlie had some tweets up as well about recess appointments. And so this is something, and, um,

Thomas Massey had one of the first responses after the announcement came out that said, look, you know, it doesn't, the confirmation doesn't matter because he can recess a point. And Blake, why don't you walk us through, because I know you know the chapter and verse on this, regarding recess appointments. What is a recess appointment? How does that work? Yeah. So first of all, I know that one of the mechanisms they're talking about for how this could happen is

This has been reported already in Article two of the Constitution. One of the president's powers is if there is a disagreement between the houses about when to recess and

then the president can say, you guys can recess till this suitable time. So in general, Congress is not in session at all times. In the past, they used to be out of session for pretty long periods. Now they'll just, you know, they'll time it. They'll take an August recess so they can go on vacation. They'll take a recess so they can go campaign before an election. Anyway, obviously vacancies can still happen in the government. So the president has the power to, during a recess of Congress, appoint an interim president

to any of the many positions that he can appoint people to. Not like, I don't think he can do it for like the Supreme Court, for example, but he can do it for cabinet agencies. And so what you do is, in the past, presidents have done this during actual recesses. They've been trying to fill this spot. No one's there. So they recess appoint a guy to be head of this department or even a deputy in a department.

What they're considering now is a more calculated use of it because I think the time limit on a recess appointment is maybe, is it two years, a year and a half? It's a span like that.

And I don't know if they get all it, but it goes it goes on the session. So if they declare another session, they then the time would end. But if the session stays open, then, yeah, it could be as long as two years. Yeah. Oh, in fact, yes. So specifically, I actually was in the article to the president shall have the power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate by granting commissions, which shall expire at the end of their next session. So, yes.

That's what it is, is they can go into recess, you appoint someone, and then they're actually in their spot until the end of the following session. So if they then return... Congressional session. Exactly. So they can then return, and as long as they don't recess again, which I think even when Congress goes into recess, they often officially don't recess. There's a lot of gimmicks they can do on this front. So what he could do is he could get his guys exercising all or almost all of their powers...

right away you get them shooting out of a cannon and then it makes it they can still have confirmation hearings but it would only have the power to say like revoke someone who's already doing their stuff and especially with trump who has a very bold agenda and an agenda that needs to start taking action right away and it's really damaging if you lose a month two months you're going to want guys who can be exercising their powers immediately and so i know one of their ideas is basically you could have

Like if Mike Johnson asks for a recess and there's disagreement, the president can say you're in recess for even one day, two days. He can do something like that and then run through all of his appointments. It would be novel. It would be interesting.

I feel like once it happened, it would probably be something everyone would rip off from now on, at least if they have a Congress that's willing to go along with them for it. Right. But there's some conditions, though. So if you're a recess appointment, you can only be in there for two years and 200 days. So it's not a it's not a you don't have the position for the entire administration. Right. So and then there's also a constitutionality issue of.

because Obama tried to do this, remember, and there was some technical side of this. But look, I think that the Senate has gotten so high in its own supply, both Republican and Democrat Senates,

It should be that you should be able to get your cabinet. OK, you should be able to fill a government. Shouldn't take you two and a half years to get your people. And this is why I sit up for Democrats. They all said about Garland. That's exactly what they said. But by the way, we're not going to get a government if it's not for recess appointments. One of the reasons why we were pushing for recess appointments so hard this last weekend is without recess appointments. We're going to we're going to have two years before we get to get our entire team assembled. Tyler, your thoughts on this?

Yeah, I mean, I totally agree. I think we I mean, I think Trump's taking the right approach by saying, hey, look, we're not going to wait around forever. I was president before, you know, we I was given the run around a lot by Congress. So I'm just setting the record straight right now that you can expect that I'm not going to be cool with just getting the run around.

And so I like the aggressive nature in which, you know, the winner White House is taking these appointments. You know, there's there's clearly no there's no slowing. I mean, a lot of people would say, hey, you know, you just won the election. You can kind of wait, you know, and give it a few weeks. And and I can't remember how long it took them to start announcing people last time, but it was not this quickly. So, I mean, this is great to see that there's just like you're just running right straight out the gates and

And no pun intended. And you're just you're you're taking off here. And Congress, you know, is kind of flat footed, probably caught a little flat footed here. And I think that it's going to be kind of like balls in their court. And nothing was going to make the American people more upset with Thune than, you know, throwing up hurdles for Donald Trump.

And I think that that's what was so great about his press conference today. I mean, he came out and said, we're going to do what the president wants to do. Like there was a mandate and he's, I'm glad those words came out of his mouth and they recognize that. And so hopefully that starts us off on the right foot with, with all these appointments, whether it's recess or it's voted on. But yeah, this is where we're going to see the real test of,

you know, just give us this chance, give the moderates this chance, right, of proving their worth. Well, the first test out right out of the gate, again, is going to be can you get these appointments done? And if they can't, you know, the American people are going to be very upset. Let me get to one of our partners really quick. I want to make sure we get this really quick. Getting in credit card debt is so easy. Getting out, well, the system is set up to actually keep you guys in debt

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Yeah, so I was looking through the records because I remember Bush and Obama both made a lot of recess appointments. That's when they kind of reached their apex. And then a decade ago, there was a Supreme Court ruling that was seen as a conservative victory at the time that did limit recess appointments because they developed a sort of gimmick where the Senate would go into like a very short recess, like a temporary recess, and they would make all these recess appointments at the time.

And what the ruling was in the case, if you want to look it up, was NLRB versus Canning was the name of it. And I believe the the funny thing is, I think the majority was like it was a defeat for Obama. But I think it was written by the liberal justices to some extent. But basically what they said is it has to be a sufficiently real recess to actually make a recess appointment. So it has to be like one between congressional terms, like over the midterms.

or it has to be one where they actually sought the collaboration of the House of Representatives for the recess. So that's why you start, you kind of are seeing this discussion where you have to get the formal recess with the House also recessing to do this. And it's going to cause all sorts of arguments because this Supreme Court case involves it. And we might end up with this like giant ball of litigation over whether Trump can do this. What a great system we have. You just have a Supreme Court case for every single thing the president does.

It's going to be a dogfight no matter what, and I guess what I'm happy about is that clearly the administration is going in ready to have these fights, not under the assumption, oh, this is going to be normal, we can run a normal administration and it will all work out. We know from the first time that that's not how it works.

Yeah, and also that you can fulfill a mandate from the people. And look, some of these people are not going to get confirmed, right, Jack? But Donald Trump is setting the tone. Some of these people will get through. He's shocking the system. You're like, you do not get a mandate for change. Just do one or two. You need to overwhelm the system. Is that right, Jack? Yeah, so what you're doing is you're overwhelming the system. And, you know, so people are saying, oh, Pete Hegseth, that was shocking. And then Tulsi Gabbard, that's shocking. And then Matt Gaetz, that's shocking. And suddenly it's like, wait a minute, you're

You're moving too fast. And so it's basically a system of where your actions, your decision cycle is actually taking place faster than anything. Charlie, is there anyone in Washington, D.C. who can move this fast? Anyone? No. No one can move this fast in Washington, D.C. The system is not built for that. This is the system. This reminds me of like Turning Point, by the way. Turning Point moves fast, as everybody knows. Elon Musk moves fast, as everybody knows. You've got to be willing to hit the ground running. And that's what President Trump is

clearly doing here. By the way, securing essentially a statement from Thune to say that recess appointments would be on the table to make sure that President Trump's agenda gets passed.

So he secures that from Thune. That's why President Trump doesn't make an endorsement in the Senate majority leader race, because he got that out as a public statement from Thune that he would support the agenda. Then as President Trump, I believe just as he was wheels up from D.C., that's when he pushes...

boom on the truth social posts. So it's like he flew out of DC and just dropped a bomb right from Trump Force One of, great, you guys all agree with me. So my appointments are going to be Matt Gaetz, Tulsi Gabbard, and Pete Hegseth. How do you like me now?

No, it's incredible strategy that we're seeing, the timing of this. You know, I hope that there are some real historians that actually look back on this time and understand the strategy of what's going on right now, because what you're seeing is actually far more... They want to say it's haphazard. They want to say it's not planned out. They want to say that he's shooting from the hip and he's making it up as it's all going along. But Charlie, you've been there.

Is this haphazard or not? No, it's not. It's actually, I think, very strategic. If you're going to shock the system, you've got to shock the system. And you understand, look, some of these people get tripped up in confirmation fights. Okay, but look at the first administration. We had people that we nominated that we had to pull. I'm trying to think it was like an EPA administrator or something. There was a whole bunch of them. There was a whole bunch of them. It's just part of the process. So you've got to go big. You've got to go bold. You've got to go quick. And by the way, you lose someone, you get somebody up. It's just a volley of people.

And eventually you're going to get some through. And that's how you effectuate change. It's not like you go all in on one person. Like, oh, we're going to change. Our change agent is going to be. And that's what we did last time. Last time we were like, yeah. That was a huge problem. Like last time we said, okay, our change agent is going to be a singular agency. Right. Okay, great. No, it's across the board. Okay. Every agency is going to be flooded. We occupy the entire federal government. And we know that the Senate is going to say no to some people. However. Whoa, Charlie Kirk supports the Occupy movement. Oh, I support it. And.

We occupy D.C. Occupy D.C. I will say this, though, that that Senate Republicans are going to have a hard time saying no to everything.

And that's the issue, right? And that's the strategy. Okay, they'll say no once, they'll say no twice, all of a sudden you say no to the sixth time. And the constituents are going to be like, excuse me, are you on board with President Trump's agenda or not? You said you were. You said to his face you were. You said to all of us that you were. And you got some of that. A lot of these senators, Cornyn's in cycle. A lot of people are getting in cycle now. And they are not going to forget, those states are not going to forget that Donald J. Trump was,

won them by what 64% in some cases, uh, 55% in some cases, huge, huge mandates all over the place. And if president Trump is going to put them on blast now, suddenly that's a huge issue. The plus, you know, I,

I don't know how confirmed this is, but there's a rumor floating around, Charlie. I don't know if you've seen this rumor kind of on Twitter, kind of in the media that Elon Musk has subtly been suggesting funding primaries against people who do not support the agenda. No, I can't confirm that, but certainly gotten involved in the back. Overwhelmed the system. Let's play cut 393 here. The second thing that hasn't come up yet that concerns me in terms of his policies is

is that if he's not a Christian nationalist, he's one of their best warriors. I mean, he sees the military at this point as a flaming sword for Christ. One of the other things that he sort of pushes on outside of misogyny and DEI is anti-Muslim bigotry.

What? How much did he fit into that one statement? He just ran the whole gamut there. That was like... They're not taking this loss. That was all of it. I can't tell you. Again, it's not about the individual. Someone's texted, Charlie, what do you think about Gates? I love Gates, by the way. I think it's amazing. What do you think about this? I said, no, no, no, no. Look at... Those are not the forest from the trees. Right. You are seeing an Occupy movement. You are seeing an overwhelmed system. Blake, do you understand the argument I'm making here? And can you contextualize it? It's more about the vibe. It's more about like, hey, we got a mandate.

Some of these are not going to work. Some of these guys are going to get, you know, put up in a committee. But we're not because we're going to just throw the entire kitchen sink at this thing. Blake. Yeah, exactly. It's, you know, a thing you often heard about Trump's campaign way back when he first started 2015. People would talk about the A.B. testing aspect of the Trump campaign, which is a term from tech tech. It's where A.B. testing is very quickly. Do we know what's going to work out?

No, we actually have no idea what's going to work. So do several different things and literally see what actually does better than others. And I think you see this with the Musk involvement. This very much defines everything Elon Musk does is there's a value all its own in being really aggressive and just trying things out, knowing in advance that not everything will get through. And if something doesn't get through, you just...

You know, you wipe your hands off and you try again. So one of these guys gets shot down. Okay, bam. You already have your backup ready to go. You put them forward. You don't act surprised about it. And when you go in with that attitude, when you're so maximally aggressive, DC is, it's full of lazy people. It's full of slow people. It's full of people who love going on vacation. If you can just overwhelm these people with your energy, if you overwhelm them with your will, we have an idea. We are going to get this done. They're going to,

what are they going to do about it? They can only keep people angry about so many things at once. And,

And Blake, this is how you run... Boom. This is how you run a military operation, by the way. This is Normandy, right? So Normandy wasn't just one day. Normandy was... You had days prior to Normandy when there was action taking, shock the system. Obviously, people know every first invasion is followed by what? The air assault. So air assault hits command and control. Take out their communications, take out their ability to think, take out their ability to talk. Then the waves start hitting the beach. The waves start hitting the beach. You know those artillery are going to be...

going to be shooting at the planes. You know there's going to be the pillboxes that are coming, but you just keep sending people. You just keep sending people up. And guess what? What does MAGA have, Charlie? We've got people. Well, that's right. Think about it, though. I mean, what is the nightly news going to focus on? By the way, wait until they get to the other agency heads. What are they going to cover? Are they going to cover Pete Hegseth at DOD? Are they going to cover whatever Bobby Kennedy has to get in? Are they going to cover Tulsi Gabbard at DNI?

Are they going to cover? They probably won't cover Marco Rubio at State. I love Marco to death, but, you know, that's probably Marco. He's kind of a known quantity. They're not. Are they going to cover Matt Gaetz at the Department of Justice? Are they going to cover the FBI? Whoever ended up getting that? I mean, there's only so much. Wait, wait, you know, be so funny, too, is is what if what if they like what if they block someone for something and Trump says, OK, and then he nominates that person for something else. So but let me also say this, though, which I think is very important.

This is what's so smart, what Trump's doing. The left is the weakest, the most on defense, and the most disorganized. And demoralized, too. And demoralized. He is going for the final knockout punch. What they were hoping is for just a bunch of moderates and business as usual. And in some ways, this might invigorate the left a little bit. But invigorate them in what direction? But, I mean...

So, for example, if they're going to be like, oh, do you guys go protest like Kavanaugh for Pete Hegseth or for Matt Gaetz? Right. Or do you go protest like Kavanaugh for Tulsi Gabbard? Which one is it? Right. Or is it Lee Zeldin? Lee Zeldin is going to have like he's going to dance through the EP. Oh, yeah. Fine. But the point is, is that there are limitations to the energy of D.C. because these people haven't done anything for a long time.

And Tyler, can you can you add some context to this, please? Yeah, I mean, I totally the exciting part of what we've seen in alternative media is we know what their limitations are. And one of the greatest reports that happened this week was talking about how

MSNBC and CNN viewership is down like 30% or like 40%. It's like disastrous. They're firing everybody. Allegedly, they're firing Anderson Cooper. They're firing literally Scott Pressler who works over there. No, I'm kidding. It's not Scott Pressler that works over there. It's Caitlin Collins. But they're firing everybody because they can't keep up. Dylan Mulvaney. Not Dylan Mulvaney. Yeah, that's over there. So the...

The funny part about this is that not only are they going to be completely overwhelmed by Trump, and I actually think that this is part of the reason why the media hates him so much, it actually causes them to have to work harder. They have to work more...

and unfriendly territory than they ever had to work before in the last Trump administration. They now have to work basically overtime to keep up with everything happening that Trump does. And now their viewership and their readership is down so significantly much, they can't keep up. This is the epitome of the death knell for the mainstream media. This is it.

And they know it. They sense it coming. They can't keep up. No one believes them anymore. The harder they press against it because they have to, because they're told to, the fewer people actually follow what they're doing. And it's just an overwhelming barrage. And I applaud Susie, everybody that's running this.

The transition right now, Charlie, you know this closer than anybody else. What they're doing is the exact right thing to do. The exact right thing to do. I'm right there on front row seat. And I mean, look, the whole mantra is this, which is we did not win a mandate election to just go play patty cake, patty cake, what, baker's hand or whatever the heck they call it. Baker's man.

Right. With with with the Central Intelligence Agency. You can tell Charlie has toddlers. I feel, you know, I'm I'm relearning. Baker's man. I'm relearning. Give me two years. I'll know every single song. You know, the muffin man. No, not yet. And so but this was a mandate election. And Blake, I know that, you know, the counter argument is, oh, this is going to be clumsy and all this.

But yes, however, I would rather err on the side of max aggression, Blake, than what we did in 2016. Would you understand? Would you agree with that? And I think one thing they should keep in mind, actually, because they have a couple months to think about this.

is what stuff with your bold picks that they can do early on that is hard to attack, but it's aggressive and would be received well. So I can imagine you come in, either he gets approved or you get the recess appointment through, so you have SecDef Hegseth.

What can he do day one? I bet he could say day one. Yeah. All like, here's our order where all of the, you know, trans stuff, that's not a military priority anymore. Have that written and have it be serious. Don't have it be a meme thing. Think about what the real policy should be or DNI. You have totalitarianism.

Tulsi goes in and it could be here's some old we're releasing old CIA stuff because we promised greater transparency or we're rolling back this, you know, domestic spying operation. Do that right away. Stuff like that where it's very difficult for anyone to attack it without sounding like a psycho is going to be good. And that's how you, I think, can get the big change agenda to have a positive reception.

And you don't have to make it that long, I feel. If you can make a good impression early and also show you're not screwing things up dramatically, their ability to remain volcanically angry about it is going to decline, or at least it's going to stop working with the public. If the press tells them that, oh, Matt Gaetz is a deranged pick for attorney general, they can push that for a while. But if Matt Gaetz is attorney general for decades,

a few months and the world hasn't fallen and the stuff he's done so far actually seems like it was a good idea. What are they going to do? They can't keep staying outraged about it. And if they try, they'll just look ridiculous. Yep.

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So just, it's really funny. It's, you know, I've lost like 10 pounds since the election ended. And you know, you know why? Why? Because I'm not as stressed.

Restressed eating? Not stressed eating. No, even not stressed eating. You keep weight on when you're stressed, even if you have the same diet. Because your body thinks that you're in a time of panic. So you're like, it's like holding on to calories. Exactly. All of a sudden, I'm like, I'm sleeping well. I don't have like this pit in my stomach. Tyler, are you feeling the same? You pit your stomach, Charlie. I used to. Were you jonesing a little bit? I thought we were going to lose at some point. I am aware.

No, we knew we were going to win the whole time. We did just well. We did just well. We did just fine. We knew we were going to uplift this thing. But, yeah, I feel the same. Producer Fah says, he says, I'm having dreams again. Yeah, that's...

Oh, you guys. Look, I remember I sat down on election night and I was like, we should talk about election night a little bit. Just how it's been, what, a week and a half, I guess, since then. I remember, you know, everyone's like, oh, we don't know. We don't know. And I said, oh, no, because last week we were saying last MAGA rally. Remember we were saying last MAGA rally was...

It was at one week ago that we were saying it was the last MAGA rally. And I remember I sat down and said, yeah, this is the last one until the victory tour and January 20th, 2025, when Donald J. Trump takes his oath of office. And everyone's like, oh, I don't know about that, Jack. I was like, no, no, no, no, he got this.

100% 100% okay um phoenix is checking their emails here so um let's kind of let's close this conversation tyler's thinking about chicken wings right now tyler what food are you thinking about the most i i can't think about it i'm just like i've never done i've i've fasted for full days before but going on three days and then thinking about going longer here is like do it go longer i

Oh, man. We should have a contest. Maybe if you want to eat and then I'll start fasting and then we could have a contest. But I've lost 14 pounds since the election and half of it's probably just from the stress. But the other half is this water fast. So we'll see where we go.

I just, I'm reading Twitter. I can't, this Gates thing, this is so smart. It's like, I'm mad about Pete Hexack. Nevermind. I'm mad about, it's like, Tulsi Grabber's, it makes the left looks complete. By the way, this is, it's so smart because they lost an election and like, they don't have trust. Oh, by the way, can we play this tape here of the attorney general giving me a ride? Oh my, was it today? It was recently. It was recently. It's so funny. Last day or two. I'll pull it up. You got to put it in the chat. It's gone totally viral, by the way. That's hilarious. Yeah. So, uh,

The, yeah, it's, reporters are texting me being like, what's he saying in the car? He told me to put on my seatbelt. But here's the thing though, right, is at some point though, it's like,

isn't this what the American people voted for? They're like, we want change. We want to see the people on TV, on those channels, freaking out and crying and hysterical. And it's like, you're literally playing into their hands every single time you do this. And it just reinforces that Trump should actually do more of it. Yes. Because the more he does it, the more they react and the more popular it gets.

And in fact, the more runway it gives him to go like, what's further than Matt Gaetz's AG? You know, like, you know, who can we appoint to head the Space Force? Who can we appoint to head, you know, nuclear agencies? Who can we appoint to head all sorts of things that are still out there on the table, folks? And just which names are going to drive them more insane? You're actually creating an incentive structure here.

that's actually quite favorable to people who, I don't know, care about the country and patriotism and all of these things. So it's really, it's genius because the more, he's put them in a situation where the more upset they get, the better his cabinet gets. And it's just,

Blake, can you comment on this? The left is not in fight mode right now. Right? That's why this is so smart. It is. It is. And the only downside is they will have, I guess, a couple months just because that's when the inauguration is to maybe collect their bearings. But right now they are really...

They're in a bit of shock. I think they probably expected the Trump transition to be similar to the last one where it took longer to announce some key picks. There was more disorganization around it. It was a slower process, whereas this one chief of staffs decided pretty quick. Key cabinet jobs decided decided pretty quick. It's going fast, fast, fast, fast.

And that means more time for people to get over it. They can't keep the hate as high for two months and more time for the Trump world to figure out their strategy of, OK, we've decided who we want in. What are we going to do with them? I think obviously you're there, Charlie. You see it firsthand and you're playing your role in it. But I'm

I think we've already seen that this transition is better than the first one was. And I think that's a good harbinger for hopefully how the entire second Trump term will be. And as you say, Democrats, they're not in fight mode there. They are in one fight mode. They're fighting each other. We're getting all of the recriminations about the election, which if we want to take a sec to talk about that, we can. It's all very funny stuff. Uh,

They're arguing over who, you know, did Biden sabotage Harris? Did Harris sabotage Harris? Did Pelosi sabotage Harris? They all agree there was some sabotage, but, you know, who's to blame for it? Okay, so let's – we haven't done a really good election diagnosis. Tyler, a lot of our audience is probably wondering what the heck happened with Cary Lake, Arizona, on this program because we kind of had that going last week. Tyler, can you take the time we have remaining here? I mean, we have a little bit of time. We've got 15 or 20 minutes.

just to kind of give us what happened because, and the final drops were actually far bluer, like way bluer than any of our modeling would have suggested. So please tell us.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, Charlie, I mean, you kind of, you know, throughout the line here, that's most critical. The way that elections now that Democrats run are operated, they basically go through step by step, slow roll. I mean, this is the California model. This is why California is still counting ballots. We still don't have answers on some of these races or we're just barely getting them now.

And this is the same in Arizona. They go through with each vote block at a time, finally ending with the late early ballot drop offs that happen on Election Day.

Basically, what was what we've seen over the course of the last number of days, because a ton of people have been asking is what's going on in Arizona. You know what happened with with Kerry Lake? Yeah. The the remaining votes that got counted in the last wee hours of this election were heavily lean Democrat, like unexpectedly so.

I mean, like remarkably so. Remarkably so. Like two to one Democrat, which we've never seen before on Election Day drops. There's a lot of speculation as to why that is. You know, we definitely know that the Democrats spiked at the last hour to get out the vote operations, trying to catch up because they knew they were so far behind. That definitely played a role into it in Arizona.

Uh, they, they, they, they told everyone they knocked something like 700,000 doors in the last week. Um, I don't think they actually did that, but I do think that they did spike, uh, money into the state and they were really worried. Uh, the left had spent millions and millions of dollars on, uh, Senate and house races thinking that they were going to take over the Arizona state Senate and the state house. They've failed, uh, you know, in, in, in really miraculous form at doing that.

And so I think they got really nervous and really worried about that. But there's also some speculation that there was a lot of really questionable drop offs that happened in the last couple of days.

And so, you know, as we know, in Arizona, it's illegal to about harvest. It's illegal in most states to about harvest. California, it's not. But Arizona, it is. And there was a lot of drop offs. In fact, in Maricopa County, there was two hundred and twenty nine thousand drop offs. So there's a little bit of a surge in drop offs and a drop off in Election Day voting.

So based off modeling and the votes that remained out there, a lot of people speculated and we, you know, based off the data analysis that we were pulling in our own office was that we were going to see an uptick in Republicans who dropped off ballots.

This this did not pan out. We will be looking at every single person who dropped off an early ballot on Election Day to give a full, a full, deeper analysis of what really happened in that two hundred twenty nine thousand. But the trajectory that that Kerry was on was.

With it being the reverse situation, which was high Republican turnout on Election Day, was actually at one point really good, looking really good. But again, what we saw was a huge surge in Democrat turnout, an unexpected surge in Democrat turnout on the days preceding Election Day and on Election Day with drop-offs.

So we're seeing something similar in Pennsylvania, by the way, where Bob Casey has enlisted the aid of Mark Elias, everyone's favorite Steele dossier, Russiagate lawyer, and his lawyers are now clogging up the courtrooms in every single collar county of Philadelphia, in Philadelphia County itself, because they are just running around everywhere demanding, just like you're saying, Tyler, they're going for, you know, oh...

you know, but, but sort of in the opposite direction. Right. So they're saying, Oh, you need to count every single possible vote that could be for Casey. Oh, this one is crumpled and the C is, has like a bend in it. So that means that person was trying to vote for Casey and didn't work in the, it's, it's,

It's nonsense. And yet we have a situation where Dave McCormick has begun Senate orientation, and yet he hasn't actually gone up against an opponent who will drop out of the race. And Josh Shapiro is sitting there sort of presiding all over it. By the way, I think the latest I heard in Pennsylvania is that it's actually going to a recount, even as Dave McCormick has already been involved in the race.

House or Senate orientation. I believe he actually voted in the leadership, in the leadership race because incoming. We don't know how he voted. We don't know how he voted, but leadership does get a, the incoming, incoming member does actually get a vote.

So, Tyler, I want to ask you really quick in the time. Again, this is another thing people are asking. I want to just say very factual, non-speculative. Blake's eye roll will be enough to cause a solar eclipse, which is Eric Hovde. Okay. Can we get the clip of Hovde on Twitter? It's very compelling. It's very, very compelling. This guy's legit. He's not an unproven guy. And.

And we have to pursue the truth wherever it leads us. Right, Jack? We do. Let's play cut 397. This stinks like a skunk. Play cut 397. Like many of my supporters, I was shocked by what unfolded on election night. At 1 a.m., I was receiving calls of congratulations, and based on the models, it appeared I would win the Senate race.

Then at 4 a.m., Milwaukee reported approximately 108,000 absentee ballots, with Senator Baldwin receiving nearly 90% of those ballots. Statistically, this outcome seems improbable. Yeah, I mean, so we have the same issue going on.

In Pima County, there's been some data analysis that's happened in Arizona as well that seems that the Democrat opponent to Kerry Lake, in the similar fashion that Eric Hovde is mentioning, received close to 90% of the ballots. And again, this is where people kind of lost their minds last time, was you had middle of the night, very late in the game, all of a sudden statistical anomalies with returns come in.

And so, you know, I think this is this is where people have real issues with the election because the elections are not transparent. They're not reporting these things on an hourly basis. They're waiting days in some cases to report results. You know, there's some really simple solutions here, which is that, you know, things need to be significantly more transparent that allow disallow for, you know, scams.

I think that the candidates have a right to know hour by hour, in my opinion, that what the results look like in Arizona. We have a law that that forces the recorders to count through the night. They have to keep counting in order. And so there's nothing that prevents them from just reporting at a much more frequent basis. And like I said, hourly, it makes the most sense to me.

So that you don't see big drops happen at one time. So you can see these things happen. I think part of the reason why people have such concerns is that, you know, you don't get, you don't hear or see anything for hours or days. And then they'll have things happen. Like here in Arizona, they found, uh, thousands of ballots in a safe, like way after the deadline in Yuma. Uh,

You know, they had an issue where they said they couldn't process tens of thousands of ballots correctly in Milwaukee. So we're tracking all these different things. The most critical part here is like, who are these people? Who are these late people? And guess what?

A simple FOIA allows us to get the information for the voters, identify who these people are and start, you know, walking this backwards and saying, you know, how did this, how does a anomaly like 90% Democrats show up in a ballot drop? Because even in the places like Milwaukee, which is heavily Democrat, you don't have 90% Democrat turnout. This isn't, you know, D.C.,

You know, with that compared to 10 percent Republican. And how do you start to analyze that data? You know, I feel really, really bad for the Havdi campaigns, for the late campaigns, for many that have gone through this, because these close races like this are absolutely it is it is heartbreaking to watch these people lose sleep over the course of a week.

when these election administrators slow walk everything and they don't give answers. They're non-responsive. They don't respond to lawyers even in a fast fashion. And what it does is it just makes the public trust the process less.

And this is part of the reason why people are so committed to the idea of one day, one ballot, one vote, you know, kind of old school or at least moving to a system that's more like Florida where it's limited excuse only mail in ballots and they have to be in by a certain time for them to count. And so that we can know by the end of the day on Election Day, what the heck is going on here? Because if if that was the case in Arizona and in Wisconsin,

you would have a lot more trust in the system. They're asking for people to trust the system less because in the middle of the night, when one candidate's up, all of a sudden you have a drop like this happen. And whether it's an anomaly or not, right, whether it's legit or not, people are going to question the system moving forward all the time. Okay, Blake, what do you find wrong with that? All right, well, thanks.

Thankfully, we already have the graphic for my eyes causing the solar eclipse, if they want to put that up. So I understand people being really wary of that. It's burning my retinas. And as I've said, it's 100% bad, regardless of whether the votes are legit, to have a 90% thing drop at 3 a.m. because it fries people's brains. They get really upset about it. What I will say about it is...

Like, I've looked at the county results for Milwaukee and like, are they wildly out of range from what the rest of the state is doing?

I don't think so. Milwaukee was more Republican this election than it was in 2020. But it's the batches that came in late. Okay, but... 90-10. The county itself is 70-30. And if your early vote is going to be more Democratic, if it's like mail-in voting in Wisconsin's case, it doesn't sound insane to me that would be the case. Especially if they had a good mail-in harvesting operation in Wisconsin. Yeah.

I think if they did anything shady, it would have to be something that they did identically last time. And maybe it was. But, you know, as you say, we can check the names of these people. We can if there's someone who's dead, we should be able to detect this. If it happened at scale, we should.

Uh, and another thing I would point out is like, they're getting fewer Democrat votes than they did in 2012 and 2008 when they had no need to steal anything at all because Obama was kicking butt. Like you can look at it. Uh, they have, I think about the same population now as they did in 2012. It's not a growing place, but it's not really shrinking in 2012. It was, uh,

Like 67% Obama, 31% Romney. But they got 332,000 votes for Obama, 154,000 for Romney. 2024, it's...

almost the exact same number it's about 68 percent again but it's only 310 000 votes for uh harris and then you're having slightly you have a i think slightly more votes which you can probably attribute to people who vote trump but then for baldwin which those people exist uh yeah that that's the big thing that that really chaps people and i'll just use the arizona example um

In Arizona, the one weird, very strange difference between the presidential and the Senate race, and this happens from time to time, but the Senate race garnered like four times as many, almost five times as many Green Party votes than the U.S. presidential race. And people ask the question, well, that's really strange too. That's like very, very, very strange because, you know, typically if you're a Green Party member, that's like,

or a person that wants to vote Green Party and you're like really excited to vote Green Party for the U.S. Senate race, you're probably going to be excited to vote that for president. And so, you know, again, those it happens when there's a disparity between

The strange part about Arizona, and I'll give this case, there were half as many Green Party votes for president this time than there were in 2016. And you could equate a lot of similarities between this election in 2016 with a really unlikable Democrat candidate and Jill Stein coming out and being super vocal.

but there were significantly more votes, but they were still less than the year that McCain ran in 2016. Well, McCain funded a lot. People don't realize this in the background, funded a lot of Green Party activity. For sure, Kerry's campaign was not doing that. These were all organic and natural. But it is really strange that you have that situation happen while at the same time you start seeing, again, voter drops that are heavily Democrat-led

Yeah, where that just historically hasn't been the case or even in areas where that hasn't been the case. And that's we saw a ton of that in the final counts, the last days and for for sure with the very, very final day of election drops. So do we have any more ads, guys? Or are we one sec? Are we wrapped up on ads? We have one more. I think we have a rumble. Yeah. Let me do the rumble one really quick here and then we'll go around the horn. The sponsorship is from Rumble, one that is incredibly important to the survival of the company. When Rumble first started,

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I think it's very aggressive what the Trump campaign is doing, but I'm excited about it. I think it shows a strong intent to deliver on what they care about. I think it shows that the right people are getting input on this administration and they

We have to say in advance, it doesn't mean everything is going to work. Some things are going to fail. Some nominees will probably get rejected. But going in, knowing that will be the case, being ready for that outcome, being ready to move on after it happens, that shows the right attitude. It's taking the mentality of the Trump 2024 presidential campaign and bringing it into the Trump 2025 through 2028 presidency. So I...

I'm excited to see how it plays out. I'm excited for the political battles that are to come. And I'm excited that we'll be right in the middle of it. Final thoughts, Jack? We need to keep going. I don't think we've been aggressive enough yet. We need to double down on our aggression. We need to double down on our belligerentness. We need to absolutely take over everything. I've even got a bid in to take over MSNBC, by the way.

We're talking to some investors. We'll see how that goes. And I just don't know. I mean, the price, you know, it's just they're quoting us. It's so high. But look, no, it's you need complete and total domination, not just of the political space, but of the information space. And in the way that we've seen that Charlie Kirk and so many other of us have dominated in new spaces and new media, we are going to continue to do that throughout the entire government in all areas of

American life until the American people have their country given back to them. By the way, I'll also throw out just it's so funny, right? Because Donald Trump and I tweeted this. Donald Trump has already begun liberating American people from federal tyranny because now as the federal government keeps trying to screw over Trump's cabinet picks, they will not be focused on screwing over the American people. 40 chess.

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