The Toughest "Prove Me Wrong" Ever?
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Hello, my name is Audrey. I'm a UNLV student and I just wanted to ask. It's a good book. Oh, yeah, I love it. I wanted to ask what your personal beliefs on when life begins for a pregnant woman. Yeah, conception. Why? Because that is when your DNA was formed and your entire journey as a human being started. Okay, well, so what about people who believe differently than you? Why should my...

my right to choose be dependent on your viewpoint. Well, I guess the other question is, do you think that there is right science and wrong science? Yeah. Okay, so science will prove me correct. For example... Science does not prove you correct. Okay, let me build it out. How tall you are...

How tall you are, your eye color, your weight disparity, your tastes, your likes, your dislikes were all put into place at that moment of conception. I do not believe that that is true. No, it actually is true. So it's called DNA. It's called deoxyribonucleic acid. So, for example, your...

how tall you are right now or how tall you could be absent medical intervention, your eye color, your skin color, your hair color was all decided at that moment. So basically the blueprint for your life came into being at that moment, therefore is your life. It is the beginning of your life.

And what distinguishes you from your mother is that you have two separate forms of DNA. So I believe you should be able to do what you want with your body, and I believe that everybody should be able to not be interfered with in their body. Therefore, if it's not your DNA, it's not your choice. Okay, let's move on from that. That's not because I'm wrong, it's because I don't have time. Now...

Now, Charlie, I have a question. When it comes to late-stage abortions, like really, really late-stage, how are your stances on that?

Obviously, I believe it should be illegal. What about if it will literally kill the mother? Yes, that's a separate medical procedure, not an abortion. No, it is the same medical procedure. It's actually called a septogectomy. It kills women. According to Planned Parenthood's own website, up until recently, it was a distinct and separate medical procedure not called an abortion. That's Planned Parenthood's own website for 30 years.

And so, yes, if a mother's life is at risk, that is a separate medical procedure. For example, amniotic sac tore. So then you're okay with it at that point. So then why is that different? But let's be very clear. In late-stage abortion, you would both agree we should probably try a cesarean section before a termination. What is your opinion on cesarean sections? I'm a C-section baby. I think it's perfectly acceptable. Both my kids are. So let me ask a question. If a baby was risking the mom's life, why shouldn't we try to deliver the baby and not terminate it?

There's no reason why you shouldn't deliver the baby. Okay, so we agree. So the point is that instead of aborting it, try to make it live and do a C-section. Like you said, you're a C-section baby. I'm glad you lived. I'm glad you weren't aborted. You know, a lot of people say, like, what if you were aborted? I didn't say that. I said I'm glad you weren't. I know you didn't say that, but I'm just saying a lot of people do say that. And personally, I would rather my mom have the ability to choose if she has a baby that is wanted over forcing to have a baby. Define wanted.

Wanting a baby is wanting a baby. If I... That's not a definition. That's repeating the phrase. Anyways, so... No, no, no, because it's important. Define wanted. So, wanting something is... So, for example, I'm not wanted on many college campuses. Do I have a right to show up there? Oh, wow. Okay. So that's where we're going with this. No, no, no. Define wanted. You're obviously not dumb. You're reading the Iliad. Tell me what is wanted me. You want something, and you go out of your way to get it, right? Right.

Okay, again, it's not a definition, but the point is that why should want... The definition of wanted is a very hard thing to define in this way. Exactly. So this is the essence of it. Why should want be correlated with moral worth? If someone is not wanted, should they be allowed to be murdered? It's not murder. And that's why we disagree, okay? If it's a human being, shouldn't a human being... It's not a human being. It's a clump of cells. Well, okay. Hold on. Hold on, guys. Hold on. So...

I'm a clump of cells, and you are a clump of cells. It is a clump of cells with no brain, with no heart, no nothing. That's not correct. Yes, it is true. At eight weeks, a heartbeat develops. At ten weeks, brain waves are detected. DNA well before that. And it can feel pain up to 15 weeks. However, I just want to be clear. What species is the fetus? It can be a human fetus, yeah. Okay, wait. If it's a human fetus, then doesn't it get human rights?

It's not a human yet. But you said it's a human. It's a human fetus. That is a different thing. At what point does it magically become a human? When it can survive outside of the womb. That is when I personally believe. So viability. So a baby born in NICU that requires assistance from a dialysis machine or breathing machine, is that a human being? Sure, yeah. But I thought you said it can't survive on its own outside of the womb. That is a different thing. No, it's not. The point is that the— Hey, hey, hey, hey. What I said was— Final question.

Final question. If a mom finds out she's having a Down syndrome baby, should she be allowed to terminate it? Yes. You see, we have disagreement. I think Down syndrome kids are a gift from the Lord and some of the most happy, joyful kids that should not be cast aside and terminated just because you get a blood test that you don't like. Thank you very much for your question. We obviously don't agree. I am Poppy. I am the creator of Mantis Girl. I'm an ex-sex worker. Sheer pronouns.

Anyways, I think that there's a really big issue when it comes to keeping our kids safe. There's a lot of predators on the Internet, and I don't think we as a society are doing enough to keep our kids safe. So what do you think about that? I agree.

So how do so do you think that there's any things that we should implement in order to keep our kids safe? Because I don't think there's enough Well, I guess one one question I would have for you is do you think that? graphic transgender curriculum should be taught to kids graphic transgender curriculum

I think there's a big importance of teaching sexual education just so we could teach our kids what to stay away from on the Internet, because we are allowing our kids onto very dangerous websites and they don't know what to stay away from. So, yes, I mean, I think we can agree on that, but he's great. So do you have another question? I think that there are two. I think that the system for.

trans people to get hormonal therapy is pretty messed up because there's a lot of people who lie their way through therapy and then they end up regretting it in the future. Can we agree and have common ground maybe that minors should not be able to receive those drugs? Don't speak for Poppy. I disagree. Don't boo Poppy. I think therapy should be more

open because people are encouraged to lie, both from the transgender community and from the health care system. Can we agree that they're destroying kids? The therapy, though, that involves drugs or surgery should be reserved to adults. I think hormonal blockers should be legal no matter what. Hormonal therapy, I think it's much more debatable.

Okay, yeah, my position is that we should not give children something when they might be in a phase that could be irreversibly damaging to them. And if a kid is in a certain phase, especially a young lady, because 75% of all trans youth that receive...

hormonal therapy are young women that we should probably say, hey, this is more of a brain issue than a body issue. And let's try to do counseling. Let's try to do cognitive behavioral therapy, not try to say that we're going to butcher you irreversibly. Therapy needs to be much more accessible. It is terrible. We agree. OK, thank you, Poppy.

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So first, I'd like to kind of talk about what you just did about the $750 thing. That was funded through the federal government in the Senate, which Trump has controlled. So I don't really see how we can equate that to the war in Ukraine, although I do agree that absolutely the war in Ukraine needs to stop. We're sending too many resources there. However, I don't believe that's fair to say. However, my original question was...

Our country is so fraught with oppression, racism, and sexism. And what I want to ask you is if the entire campaign is about making America great again, when are we going back to? 1985 would be nice. 1985. So let's talk about wealth gaps.

White men make more money than women, more money than black men and black women. Why is that? Because there is a systemic racial wealth gap in education. Let me finish, please. I know your arguments before you give them, but sure, go ahead. I'll put my mic down. You talk.

Thank you. So there's disparities in education. There's disparities in income. There's disparities in how people were raised. And those are because of systems that Americans have put into place through policy. And then I think we need to be focusing on the future of America rather than going back in time where oppression was even more rampant than it is today. We still have a lot to fix.

But I just don't see how we can go back and say that it was a perfect America when obviously it wasn't. No one says it was perfect, but let me ask you a question. So we have a disparity. Yes, sir. Is there any other explanation other than racism that might explain disparities? I think there's a lot of systemic trials that affect people every day. I think it's systemic. Yes.

So, OK, since it's systemic, can you point to one law that favors a white person but hurts a black person? That's the thing, though, right, is that it shouldn't be in the law. It's not in our law, but it happens every day. But then where is it?

Look around. No, no, no. Hold on. No, you're talking about a disparity. Show me a law or a system that is. But I'm giving you examples. You're giving me a disparity. Here's here. You know that there's other reasons that you have disparities other than racism. OK, well, can you explain those disparities? For example, whether or not you have a father around. Yes. And actually, we can look at that from a racial perspective. Totally. So let's let's try to figure it out. Why is it that in 1965?

25% of black youth were raised by a single mom. Now it's 70%. What changed? So, I mean, I think... Well, I mean, yeah, but what changed? Like, what law made that happen? I think people being more aware of racism and stuff. Like, I think... No, no, the single mother, the fatherless rate went down, meaning, like, only one out of four blacks in America right now have a dad around. Why is that? Um...

There are studies about African-American marriage and how the family institution is different than the average white American family. We prioritize, as the white American, we prioritize a nuclear family, a family with...

husbands, a wife, kids, and a dog. And that ideal family has been perpetrated throughout really centuries that those people are white. And those people, that's the picture of what an ideal American family is. Do you think we should have more black dads around? I think that's an unfair question. I don't think that's a fair question because what you're saying is you're saying there's a difference between... Of course there is. There's a difference between... And by the way, you know who agrees with me? Barack Obama. Well, that's...

That's cool. I'm not... No, I'm just saying, though... I actually... I was a Trump supporter during the Obama campaign, so... That's great, but that doesn't make any sense, because Trump wasn't running for president during the Obama campaign, so... Well, I was supporting Obama after... Or I supported Trump after Obama. Okay, great. So let me just be clear, though. Just...

That according to Brookings Institution, which is a super left-wing organization, says that if you have a father around, you're less likely to go to jail, less likely to commit crimes, more likely to have raising wages. And it's self-evidently true. When you're raised by both a mom and a dad, you get the blend of masculine and feminine. You get the blend of discipline and love. No, but that's what I'm saying. That's the nuclear family. No, you're right. It's the best standard for living. But is it? Yes. Show me a better one.

But I'm telling you. No, no, no, show me. Burden of proof on you. Show me a better way to raise people. I'm just saying that there are other ways, like a parent. What ways work better? Be specific. Okay. Well, if we're going to do this, let me get back to my original question, which you have yet to answer. No, no, no, no. What? No, but it's true. You have not yet to answer it. Because it all comes back to dads. Okay. No, it does. Let me ask you a question. Do you think that systemic racism or dads not being around, which one's a bigger issue in America? Systemic racism.

Absolutely. I think systemic racism has more of a violent... Can I? No, but be specific. How do I know when I see systemic race? How do I get rid of it? I already told you. No, but what law is systemically racist? Is there one?

Not that I can think of off the top of my head, but like... But I thought it's in our systems. There must be a law. But it is in our systems. I want to get rid of it. Our systems are only legal systems, though. Our systems are healthcare. Our systems are the family. Those are institutions. Is it legal to discriminate against someone based on their race in America?

It's not legal, but it happens all the time. No, it doesn't. Yes, it does. Oh, you're right. White people get discriminated against every day. You're totally right. Oh, no, that's not what I said. That's not what I said. No, you said people get discriminated against their skin color, and there is active discrimination against white people in this country far more than black Americans. What? That is a crazy statement. Wait, hold on. That is a crazy statement. Let me give you an example.

So going to college, if you're a black American, your test scores are 30% lower and you get in there. You want a job in corporate America? You have a seat at the table. How much are you being paid if you're in a corporate table versus black? No, you're not. Actually, black Americans are on par if they studied the same thing. That is not the same job environment. That is literally not here. Here's the essence of it. I think it's so interesting. You see a disparity.

So you see a gap and you scream racism. No, that's not what I'm doing. Yes, you have. But let me tell you, let me try. Let me tell you my perspective. I'm trying to examine what the disparities are. Yes, exactly. Let me finish. So we take a Thomas Sowell view. You know Thomas Sowell, right? Yes. Who is Thomas Sowell? I don't know.

Go ahead. Hold on. How could you even... Go ahead with your point. But, okay, it's a great book called Discrimination and Disparities, where he argues that it is an immature view to act, wow, there's a disparity, it must be racism. There are hundreds of other contributing factors. Let me give you an example. You ever heard of firstborn privilege? Yes, I have.

I have. So firstborn privilege is that if you are the firstborn kid, you're more likely to have a higher income, more likely to gain wealth, less likely to go to prison just because you got more attention from your family. How about this? How about coastal and river privilege? You ever heard this one? I've never heard of that. If you are close to a body of water, it's more likely that your city is rich because you're a port of entry. You have more tourists. So people born in Miami or Philadelphia are actually richer than people in Topeka, Kansas, just because they're inland. What I'm getting at is there are hundreds of other explanations. Absolutely.

More than just systemic racism. Oh, I absolutely agree. And the biggest of which is when you have kids that are being raised without dads, you're setting them up on a course for permanent failure. And I agree. Like there's a whole array of issues. But I do think racism is an issue that we need to address and shouldn't be covered up by other issues. So give me an example of racism in America that is macro, not micro.

I mean, you're going over the same endless circle. No, no, no. Tell me, give me a macro example of racism that affects all people, not just one person being a jerk to another. Give me a macro example of racism. The gender wealth or wealth gap. That's a disparity. That's not racism. Racism is an action, not a result. You've got to show me an action. Redline doesn't exist anymore. Show me an action. Yes, it does. No, it doesn't. It's illegal under 500 different banking laws.

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I graduated from Greenville, North Carolina. The Brown v. Board of Education banned segregation. My school did not complete the fully integrated status until like 2016.

So the dragging feet of our systems, like that's an example of it because that keeps perpetuating these problems that sure don't only have to do with racism, but racism is a part. Okay, so I got macro. You even said brown people's education got rid of segregation. Yes, but what I'm saying is that the actual like,

processes of getting rid of segregation took a long time. And that is black communities and white communities resisted integration in certain neighborhoods. Is that that's correct? Right. Yeah. So it's not just the white person. A lot of black communities are like, well, we don't want to go to schools. But why? Why would they want to do? Why would they not? OK, so actually, let's find some common ground. I think that this is interesting. Do you think that on over 130 college campuses, there are things called black only dormitories? Do you think that that is a good thing or a bad thing?

I think it's hard because I think it's important for people to have... Let me please finish. I feel like... You just said segregation was wrong. No, it is, but that's not segregation. Black only... Can I finish my thought? Can I finish? Can I finish my thought, please? Guys, half of you are in white-only sororities. Okay, no, but hold on. So let's... Okay. Okay.

Please finish your thought. I'm just waiting. Okay, so my thought is I think it's important for people who face oppression to have communities like them. I'm not saying that white people shouldn't be allowed in there or black people shouldn't be allowed. That's not what I'm saying. That's not what I said. That's not what I ever said. I said that people who face oppression every single day sometimes need the community of people who are also oppressed. That's all I

That's all I'm saying. Got it. So what law is oppressing black people? You've asked this 400 times. Because your whole argument is built on a mythology. It's not a mythology, though. Let me be more specific. Look at every day. No, no, no. Let me be more specific. What is oppressing black people? Education, family. Because think about the graduation rates. Graduation rates are lower for black people. Because they don't have dads around. You see, you cannot. I think that in itself is.

You are focusing on effects. I'm focusing on causes and your argument is built on causes and then you go to effects. So causes is racism as an action. So you have to give me examples of causes, not just go to effects. Yeah, because there's other explanations for effects. So, for example, if you were to say, Charlie, it's illegal for a black person to go to a gas station in the 1950s, your argument would have been correct. So you have to give me causes. You just can't go to effects and change the argument.

Okay. Does that make sense? Yeah. So tell me one thing that is oppressing a black person as an effect. I think that... As a cause, I'm sorry, as a cause. I really, I still think like education, like that is a system. How so? So are black individuals given scholarships at this school? Yes, absolutely. But look... Yeah, more than white people. But look at graduation rates. So why is it that graduation rates are lower for black individuals? Yeah.

Because dads aren't around putting pressure on the same school. And unfortunately, because affirmative action, unfortunately, more and more black individuals are going to colleges that they're not qualified for.

Because the criteria is lowered for them. And so then you get lower graduation rates. That's not racism. It's a broken system. I think this is a slippery slope. No, it's not. No, because this is so important because you came up and you said systemic racism and oppression. I need examples of causes of those things. The causes of those things are so deeply ingrained. But how do I know it when I see it?

How do I know racism? When your wife, not necessarily your wife, but when someone you know kind of hides their purse when there's a black person there. There are those tiny little, or you lock the door. All your moms do it. Like, be so for real. She's calling you guys all racist is what she's doing. No, it's actually kind of funny that I'm 18 years old and you're whatever. But, but I.

I'm going to try to let you off mercifully. It is very basic to say racism, all this, but I have hard pressed you. So in life you have effects. So for example, let me

Let me give you a if all of a sudden I saw a dead body and you're like dead body racism. No, no, no. You have to show me how the cause led to that. It could be dead body racism. It could be KKK lynching somebody. However, you need to go back to the cause. So you say, hey, disparity of wealth, disparity of this and all that. Those are all effects. So what I need is I need I need individualized and metered causes that can determinatively say that those effects are caused by racism.

Because when not, you're dealing with incredibly complex systems. You're dealing with hundreds of millions of people that are communicating millions of times a day with lots of different input factors. And racism is just an easy cop-out that is impossible to prove. Does that make sense? Because you can't give me a single example. But there are examples. Then give me one.

I've given you so many throughout this entire thing. Okay, we're not going to... You've given me effects, not causes. Okay, we're clearly not going to consider the agreement, but I appreciate you talking to me. Let me ask you just one last question. So kind of back to the black dormitory thing. Do we agree that no human being should be discriminated against based on their race? Absolutely. So we should repeal affirmative action and say that we're only going to hire people based on merit, not on race? Yes.

Great. We can appeal affirmative action. I think that's an awesome step forward. I just want to start this out. I am unaffiliated, but I am a Christian who believes in the right to an abortion. And a lot of the things that you were talking about with her, I really had a lot of answers for that. So the reason I actually wrote this down on a notebook, of course, I was prepared.

So the reason why I believe the right to an abortion, why just anyone, if you feel that's what you need to do, then you should do it. Because Matthew 7, 1 says, do not judge or you too will be judged. Although Jesus does tell us to tell people, do not sin. It's not our place to judge them, you know? And then another thing that I wanted to bring up, this is, this is crazy, but also the time. I just really want to know why you feel that abortion should be illegal. Do you think murder should be illegal?

Murder is illegal. So you think it should be? Do you think it should be illegal? I just feel like there's a big difference between a living, breathing human and a fetus that is inside of another human's body. Fair enough. What is the difference? The difference is a fetus is inside of the body. You know what I'm saying? It can't live on its own. Got it. So let's go through a couple questions there. Why does somebody's location determine their moral worth?

It doesn't, but it's simply about the fact that if you feel like that's what you need to do with your body, then that's what you do. Well, hold on. Hold on a second. If it's not your DNA, how is it your body? It is your DNA. No, it's not. It's a part of you. It's growing in you. It's connected to you by an umbilical cord. It is a part of you. One second. It's attached. A part. It's attached. Hold on a second. It's attached, not a part.

Same thing. No, it's actually not. Apart, by definition, means it remains permanent. Oh, okay. Right? Oh, okay. So an attachment is something that is temporary. And so you are not your mom's DNA. You're not your dad's DNA. You are new deoxyribonucleic acid. So shouldn't we say that if it's not your DNA, it's not your choice?

I mean, you could say that, but I mean, really, this is, I just don't understand how you can use religion to back up your point of... I haven't used it once. She brought up religion. I'm happy to use a non-religious line of questioning. We all agree murder is wrong. Okay. We all agree that it's a human homo sapien. Do you agree that the death penalty is wrong?

Well, no, I'm actually in support of the death penalty because people do something that justifies that. But that's a separate issue because the baby in utero did not go. So what about the people who could possibly be proved innocent who have been awaiting their death sentence? Fair enough. That's a good argument. But it's separate, right? So there's been about 31 exonerations of post-tumorless people that have been exonerated of the death penalty. We're talking about a baby that did nothing wrong except exist.

Okay. In utero. And there's about 1.5 million of them that just get discarded every year. So we agree murder is wrong. We agree it's a homo sapien, meaning it's a human being. Therefore, murder is the forcible termination of a homo sapien. Therefore, shouldn't abortion be wrong and illegal?

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I hope so. So use an ABC, right? Aristotelian logic, whatever you want to use. Use an ABC sequence for me. My reasoning why I believe that abortion should be legal is because of instances like rape and incest. But I already know that your belief on that because you've already stated that if your daughter were to be raped at 10 years old, you would make her give birth to the baby. Well, the baby would be delivered. And let me tell you why. And so but first of all, let me try to find common ground. If I say we will make rape and incest abortions legal and get rid of all the other abortions, would you agree with that?

Can you repeat that? I'm so sorry. If I say that we will allow abortions to continue for rape and incest life of the mother, but all other abortions should be illegal, which is 99.4% of the time, can we make those 99% of abortions illegal?

Yeah. See, I don't believe that abortion should be used as a form of birth control. So 99 percent of the time it is. That's all that we're debating in the country right now. So Charlie Kirk's position is a very fringe minority. People are talking about still exceptions. So we should get rid of 99 percent of abortions. Yes. But at the same time. So you're actually not that pro-choice, actually. I but I am because I feel like there's no way to kind of divide the basis of like what's

what abortion is being used as birth control and what abortion is being used... Oh, it's totally easy, actually. I mean, so you could tell through a DNA test if it's an incest baby. You could tell if it's rape because they have to file a police report.

And you could tell life of the mother based on an OBGYN analysis. Okay, so then if it's that easy, then why have we not done that? Oh, because the American people don't support it. Because abortion is popularly supported as a form of birth control. That's why. So your position is actually a very rational one, and I respect you for it. 99% of all abortions are done just because people want the baby gone. 99%. That's not Charlie Kirk's numbers. That's the Guttmacher Institute, which was funded by Planned Parenthood. Okay.

So you do like feel as though like people who have are victims of rape and incest, do you think that they should be able to get an abortion? So just so we can agree on the 99 percent, then I'm going to try to win you over on the other percent. OK, got it. So we're good on the 99. Get rid of those abortions. Yeah. OK, cool. Somebody in this audience was conceived in rape. Can you tell me who? No, no. Why? I thought that they're less human. I never thought those words never came out. No, I know. But the insinuation of allowing rape for abortion is that they're not as human. Therefore, they should be murdered.

No, that's not the answer. It's more about the mental toll that it would take on the mother to have that baby. Oh, I totally acknowledge the mental toll, but shouldn't the human being conceived in rape still get human rights? Yes, but it should be more up to the mother who has to carry the baby and who has to push it. Well, hold on. Let's play that out. So even though the mom has to push it, do you still have a right to terminate somebody? Can you take away human rights if your life's going to get difficult with somebody else? If somebody else is making your life difficult, can you take away their human rights?

No, but at the same time, that's where the question comes in, that it should be up between the patient and the doctor. But why? By what standard is that okay? For example, if a single mom has two kids and all of a sudden she loses her job and one of the kids is super annoying and has a learning disability, should she be able to murder that kid because it's an inconvenience to her? No. No, of course not. Not after. But why is it that all of a sudden you get considered a human being after birth but before birth you're not?

Because after birth you can, you know, you're kind of living on your own. You're not in the mother's body. No, you're not. Hold on. I have a six-month-old. My baby is not living on its own. Not living on its own, but it can breathe on its own. Hold on a second. Over half a million babies every year are born in NICU, which require, which is a prenatal assistance, breathing assistance, digestive assistance. And so are they not human because they can't have any viability? The point is that the standard doesn't apply, right? Let me ask you one more hypothetical, and it's a good question.

Then I'll do a Christian one because you say you're a Christian on that. I have two ultrasounds. One ultrasound is a baby that was conceived in rape. The other ultrasound is a baby conceived in a loving relationship. Which one is which? There's no... Like, that...

There's no difference. You're right. There's no difference in the physical appearance of it, but the complete difference is the mental toll that it would take on the mother and the person who has to carry the baby for nine months. Hold on. Let's be clear. There's a mental toll when you have an abortion, too. So it's not as if it's a get out of jail card. No, I completely understand that. So it's a tough, difficult, horrible situation. But shouldn't we be that the worst outcome after an evil is to just murder the being? Yeah. Why punish the baby for the crime of some guy that...

raped the mother why all of a sudden have two victims unnecessarily well okay let's say the mother who is raped births the baby what if she hates the baby like what if she just cannot care for the baby like what if the baby comes out and she hates the baby because she got raped well there are two million families right now waiting to adopt children okay so put it up for adoption there are two million loving families that can't find kids

I just find that very interesting because the adoption process is actually very difficult in America. It is difficult. We can make it easier. But, again, the issue is that there is a demand of families that want the babies. Okay. And my last question that you had started to answer but you didn't answer what you said you were going to was why, if your daughter were to be impregnated by rape, why would you force her to have the baby? Well, first of all, because we don't murder in our family. Okay. Yeah.

Would you murder in your family? No, but at the same time, I've done a little bit of research and I just want to let you know that the chance of a 10 year old surviving giving birth and her baby. The full question was if it's below 10 percent. So in reality, if you want your child to have a baby at 10 years old, you're not pro birth. You I mean, you're not pro life. You're pro birth. OK, again, to be very clear, I said if there was no issue with the mother's health.

And understand, this is an extreme, hyper-personal example that someone used. And I'm happy to own it, but let's just be clear. Why is that example getting people so fired up?

Because it's easy to say that you can murder a baby if it's small and that it's just a quote-unquote clump of cells. No, I think that one instance got people so fired up because the age of your daughter and just because of the likelihood that she would survive and the baby would survive. No, my answer was that if there were no medical complications. You don't even remember the full answer. Why does the age matter? Tell me why all of a sudden the age of the carrier matters. Because that's...

That improves the infant mortality rate. The older you are, the more likely you are to be able to carry a baby to term. The younger you are, the higher the infant and mother mortality rate goes. I said with no other medical issues, though. I'm curious, though. Because with age comes medical issues with birth. I said with no other medical issues, though. So you have to understand the preface there. I want to understand, though. Maybe you can help me understand.

Why the women of America are so enthusiastic about the right to be able to kill pre-born babies? What is the... Help me understand. I think it's more of just the ability to be able to do what you feel is necessary for your body. Bingo. I think that's right. It's narcissism.

I think you're totally right. It is weaponized medical narcissism. I'm in charge of the world. No, I'm in charge of my body. Not in charge of the world, but of my body. Makes sense. So even though it's not your body and it's a different body in you, I'm the most important thing. And that makes sense because you just connected the dots. We have the most narcissistic female generation in history, and abortion is the culmination in that. Thank you for connecting the dots. Thank you.

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