The Greatest Comeback Story in American History
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Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA. We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here.

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Like an hour. I slept two and a half hours, and I've never had more energy. Yeah. No, I feel totally fresh, but I mean, I was arguing with the reporters at five in the morning, so... I slept for 89 minutes, and then I was arguing with...

I want to say, guys, you had to endure with me in this audience every day when I said find new voters. Remember all summer? I said find new voters. I said go chase new voters. Now, I want to say this, guys. Based on the emails we received yesterday and the ground game we have in Wisconsin, I can say you guys made a difference in winning Wisconsin. And with that,

Getting Donald Trump declared the victor on election night, which was massive, right? Massive so that they couldn't continue their hocus pocus, right? The American psyche needed it. So Donald Trump, everybody, is president-elect. Can we get the chyron just to say that? Trump is president-elect. Yes, that's what we need. There should be a dash between president and elect. I mean, I literally collapsed last night. Dude, this video is going viral on Twitter.

The internet right now. I don't think it's a bad video, though. No, it's a great one. You retweeted it. It's amazing.

It's the best video. I love this video. Actually, I'm not going to lie. I watched it back this morning and I got a little misty. It's so amazing because people are used to political actors being slick. They're used to thinking like, oh, to some extent they're running a grift. It really showed how much it meant to you, how much effort you'd put in for years that it really mattered. You really cared exactly as much as you said. I'm going to get emotional again, but the amount of people that...

I'm going to make people watch it. No, I mean just the amount of people that wished us dead. Tyler's still under indictment over this stuff. They're going to want to kill us more. Let's just relive it. Let's bask a little bit. Let's bask in the afterglow. Control the executive branch of government. All right, here. 237. Please play. Please play. Charlie Kirk starts crying after hearing that Donald Trump won the election. If anyone deserves to get tears in his eyes, it's Charlie Kirk.

I think we all agree. I think Erico has worked harder for this than the break room. No one has worked harder than Charlie for this. We got to hear some words here from you, Charlie. You put all this together, my man. Let's hear it. I am just humbled by God. It's all God. It's all God. God alone. That's all I can say. It's done. It's beginning. Brett, how are we doing at HQ? That was awesome. Yeah. Gets me going again. And I just...

Again, it's just kind of one big thing. I said it before. I said if we were to win, it's not us. It's God showing his mercy and grace on an undeserving country. We deserve judgment last night. We've turned our back on him. But honestly, the American people began to turn the face towards him, as it says in 1 Chronicles. And...

Just this spiritual war. Man, did we not feel the spiritual elements throughout this entire election, Andrew? Oh, we talked about it a lot. I mean – Especially the weekend leading into Tuesday. I got – look, can I – I mean, again, we're just going to bounce all over the place, guys. Blake, you would agree that Seltzer poll was an asymmetrical attack.

I'm not saying it was intentional. I'm just saying that what it did to us, it was a legit demoralization campaign. It freaked people out to a dramatic degree. It was what the left seized on. It gave them all that sense of momentum. Any sense of momentum they had going in was from that poll. It was...

You heard people complain about hurting in the polls. What if all the polls are fake, but this time they're overestimating Trump? I saw pretty smart people say, what if actually the numbers show that Harris is going to win in a landslide, but they're just too scared to say it because they've been burned before because they predicted a landslide in 2016. Didn't happen. They predicted a landslide in 2020. Didn't happen. This time they predicted.

a close race and we got a Trump landslide. So here is the best thing. On election day, I said this. I said, have you guys ever been in a plane

where you're in the clouds and you can't see the ground and you're a passenger and it kind of freaks you out and you know you're descending. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yes. And you're the window seat. Especially a small plane. Yeah. So do you know what I'm talking about? Do you know this phenomenon? Oh, yeah, totally. Especially Santa Barbara. There's so much fun. I turned to Mikey and I said, you know what this election's like? You're in the pilot and you have to trust your instruments.

Yeah. Even though you can't see the ground because all the data was telling us something. Right. And you have to be like, okay, our instruments say that we're 3000 feet above the ground. Our instruments say that the runway is right there and we're in the clouds and we don't know where we're going. And all of a sudden, boom, we broke through last night. Tony Fabrizio from the Trump campaign. Again, we were allowed to look at these numbers for data and canvassing purposes. Right. We were because the FTC ruling grassroots and yeah, exactly. Grassroots. Tony Fabrizio

deserves so much credit here. He was the Trump pollster. He got this thing so right. And I'm not saying like, again, he literally said, if Trump does not win Pennsylvania by three, all my polling is wrong. Final canvas, Trump won Pennsylvania by three.

It's I mean, like he got this thing to a chef's kiss night before the election was like, Wisconsin's going to be a little bit closer point, point and a half. He's like, Michigan, I think it's gonna be a point and a half to two points. He's like, I think we went Florida by 15 points, like 13 points. Like this guy had it. And again, I was working the phones with JD with the team. I was like, and they're like, the data is the data. This is the best pollster in the business. Like Fabrizio is the gold standard. And yeah,

I was like, guys, I don't know. Like there's so, yes. And the crazy part is he deserves a lot of credit. If, if, if one state and they framed, they framed their entire, uh, the entire work in working with outside groups and like us, right around those polls. That's what's understandable is like the understanding of like what, where you need to target, how, how much you need to do, uh,

And obviously the campaign went all in on Pennsylvania because it became very clear that that's what matters the most. They got it across the finish line to that exact number. And if something goes wrong there, it throws off the entire machine. Again, the Trump campaign was confident.

And Blake, it turns out that they were confident for good reason. They really did nail it. It's just so interesting to see the stuff that we speculated could play a factor, and it really did pan out. I'm looking at Michigan right now. Most counties in Michigan shifted to the right, but by two points, three points. Wayne County, Detroit, 10 points more Republican. Are you kidding me? The most by far. I mean... The Dearborn thing worked. It mattered. Guys, I mean, there's so many great clips to play here.

And I just – there was – Andrew, to his credit, was like, Charlie, I think this is a nationwide refutation that's going to be against wokeism. And Andrew's actually a good bearing for this being in Santa Barbara. And can I just share – actually, you know what? There's a lot – People in Santa Barbara are fed up with it too. So – and guys, by the way, we're live right now on –

on AM 560. So the Illinois data is not clear. People said it's four points. It's really now seven, eight points in Illinois. That's what I was seeing last night. That's why I was getting confused. But MSNBC was doing four points. They were. The point being is Illinois is way closer than it should be. New Jersey. Look at New Jersey. Somerset County in New Jersey moved to the right by 25 points. And by the way, that is one of the big storylines. Hispanics...

Trump outright won this one right up here. Did we get our exit point? Sussex County? I have breakouts. Paseo County? Yeah, Paseo County is a majority Hispanic county that Trump won. There's a county that's 96% Hispanic, Star County, I believe, on the U.S.-Mexico border. Hillary won it by 60 points in 2016. Trump flipped it. I think it's Trump plus 16 even. A 76-point realignment.

And by the way, I have to say, one of the most delicious things I've ever had in my life

Was waiting up till 4 a.m. local to watch Morning Joe. And I have to say, I have to say something. Joe Scarborough was like eerily professional. He nailed it. And he was, I don't know. It was like his inner Republican. It was like the orders on high. He didn't make it. And by the way, he was right. He's like, this is bigger than Trump. This is a, can we get the tape of that? Yeah. Everybody, this is a beautiful day. By the way, this is, you know, it's not like just like winning the Super Bowl. You forget about it. This is, guys, this is an era now. I have breaking news.

Is it about Arizona? But it's good. What? Yeah. The Democrat that was running for county recorder in Maricopa County called Justin Heap and already conceded. That's amazing. No, it's over. Once you concede, you're out.

Wow. We have a conservative Freedom Caucus member as county recorder for the next four years in Maricopa County. So wait, can we fix this? Just so we're clear. We still only have 63% of the vote in there. Guys, just so we're clear, I'm looking at the country. Maine has 81% of its votes counted. Alaska has 71% of its votes counted. And they literally have to put votes on planes. It's literally tomorrow. We're beating California, and that's it. Yeah. We have 63% of our votes counted.

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We said we were going to put a flag there. We freaking won Center County. The youth vote. Michigan. Send that to me. We won the youth vote in Center County. This fits perfectly. Riley Lenting, who is our rep in Michigan, right outside of Wayne County, so we're just talking about that. She's right in that Detroit metropolitan area. Won against her Democratic opponent last night by...

2,000 votes. A little less than 2,000 votes. And I think it was like a D plus 6 district. That's crazy. All right. Let's play some of the national reaction here. Do we have some of the kind of libs melting down? Let's play... Do we have Scarborough or no? Yeah, we do. I want to wait for Rav and Radio for that one back here. But...

Jeez, the monumental shift here. We always were like landslide. We actually got the landslide, guys. We got the landslide that we were always hoping for and wishing for.

Was there a county where Kamala did better than Biden? There's a few counties. Nothing too dramatic. Let me bring up the map here. Some of those in Georgia. Some of them. Georgia is the most notable one in terms of you have several counties looking at them. Georgia was a squeaker. They're all exurbs of Atlanta. So I think what they are is because some of them are actually quite Republican. I think what it is is Atlanta is encroaching on those places. So you have blue Atlanta people in what was once a super red county.

um some parts of colorado has a lot of points that moved pretty blue i don't know what's going on there maybe it's people who moved there during covid it's californians that yeah that's who moved to colorado i know a ton of californians that are the libs of california moved to colorado the conservatives moved to like texas florida tennessee nevada yeah you have a similar thing parts of north carolina got more blue i think it looks again it's like suburban counties outside these big metros the the north carolina counties were uh

Hurricane. It was turnout related. Transylvania County? Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. I've seen analysis on that and it checks out. Okay, everybody. I want to hear, by the way, I want to see and hear what you guys were doing to celebrate. Freedom at CharlieKirk.com. Send us pictures, videos. Freedom at CharlieKirk.com. That is Freedom at CharlieKirk.com. My goodness. Look at this.

Harris is running behind Biden in Dane County, University of Wisconsin, Pitt, ECU, Clark, UGA. Tweet. Wait, wait, we mean all the campuses we visited? Yes. Every single one that we visited? And she's currently losing to Trump in Center County, PA, home of Penn State. Biden won it by four. Wait, so every place that we did a Prove Me Wrong and that we brought in thousands of young people, we actually end up overperforming the Democrat candidate? It's weird how that works.

Strange stuff. It's called muscle grassroots muscle grassroots humility grassroots humility at the start Everybody this is just historic. I'm blown away. I am humbled that we could play a role and you guys played a big role I want to every single one of you by the way that registered a new voter Every one of you that wore that MAGA hat and found a new voter you did this guys you did this Remember I was nagging them every day. How many times over the summer was I wearing those shirts find new voters?

Find new voters, right? And I was like, it was like 119 degrees outside. I was like, go find new voters. And it worked. You guys did the work. We outworked the Democrats. And I have a lot of thoughts here, guys, on low sleep. Can someone tell me where Kamala Harris spent her $1 billion? Seriously. It's called consultants.

Evidently. And just a ton of ads. I think it was a cash grab for Democrats, the likes of which. And this ground game. Yeah, ground game. I'm getting the most beautiful text messages. I just want to say the gratitude people are showing me. I feel weird when people say, Charlie, congratulations. I'm like, man, I didn't get married. The country is saved. This is your victory as much as mine. You know what I mean? I'm like, we're not done yet. We're not done yet. That's the stream for later.

They don't even realize that it's even a victory for liberals in the end. No, it's a better country. By the way, avoiding World War III is objectively good for libs. Yes. Like a secure border. This is a victory for every human being on the planet. This is good for Ukrainians right now that are getting mowed down. Well, I mean, to the Joe Scarborough point, he made some great points. You and I were watching it live. I was watching it on my YouTube TV, Erica in bed. I was like...

I had to watch it. Still up in sport. No, I had to watch it. Of course I was. I couldn't sleep until 5. Well, so, okay. So there was a certain NBC reporter that said we didn't have a ground game. So I had to call a certain NBC reporter and debate that fact with him. Exactly.

them. And then I started watching Joe Scarborough and I said, you know what, to be honest, to his credit, Joe got this mostly right. I thought he was going to be apoplectic, like a Nazi in the White House. This is a first whatever. And he actually was like, hey, we have an issue with immigration. We got to knock off this woke stuff. I mean, it was really interesting to hear that take. But here's the deal, Charlie. When it comes to ground game,

I'll still concede that the Democrats have more canvassers across the board and they have unions, but they didn't have the union as much this time, which is a key insight. But secondly, if they don't like what you're selling, you can knock on all the doors you want. I'm thinking of those text messages from your friend that was knocking on public housing doors and they're like, oh, we're voting for Trump. Even more telling, hearing 10-year-olds over say, I think my parents like Trump. All right, so you want to say, before I went to sleep, I looked up, I said,

My student polls are undefeated. Remember, I told you guys those student polls. So it's so funny. We hosted Donald Trump in Vegas and we hosted him in. No, OK, no, this actually when the Tucker Trump event. So I'm holding court with the Trump team because they're exhausted. Right. So I actually had some energy. It was Scavino. It was Caporale, all these guys. I was like, I'm going to leave you with one last piece of data. And they're like, what, Charlie? I was like.

Every four years in the state of Maine, eighth graders are polled on who they think should become president of the United States. And they're rolling their eyes. In 2016, Trump won narrowly. In 2020, Trump got crushed. In 2024, Trump won by 12 points.

And they were like, what is the significance? I said, when eighth grader is mirroring what they're hearing at home, it's a reflection of a culture. It's way more accurate than a poll because these eighth graders are unfiltered. It's two things. It's mirroring what they hear at home from their parents, and it's mirroring the 18 to 22-year-olds that they watch on YouTube. And so – and I was like –

I trust that more than any public poll. And I said, see you guys later. And I was like, hope we win. And honestly, of all the data that I thought, it was these student polls. The California one was close. The Minnesota one was close. These eighth grade polls are actually way more accurate than anything Nate Silver put out. It's more accurate than any of these multi-million. Blake, I'm not wrong here. Nate Silver being a fan.

Can we tweet this out? The student polls have ended up being a greater predictor of who runs the country than our... No, seriously. Than our incredibly sophisticated polling class. Oh, can we just say... And bakery sales. Has anybody... Totally. Has anybody done a wellness check on Ann Seltzer this morning? She's gone completely silent, by the way. Did she retire already? By the way, to her great credit, her social security won't be taxed.

Let's just put her out to pasture now because what an all-time, god-awful, terrible, historically embarrassing...

dumpster fire of a poll and seltzer the gold standard the des moines county register like i mean that wasn't just a miss man donald trump ended up by the way i think because of the poll more people showed up in iowa yeah i think the poll like electrified hold on people i know you don't trump ended up winning iowa by 13.2 points

Okay. 16.2 point miss. That is the worst polling miss. She's like explaining to Mark Halperin, well, what does R&D mean? And I had some very in-depth conversations. I didn't actually see that. Oh, no, no. It's legit. Was she actually being serious when she said that? Hold on. I need to throw this picture up. I'm going to have a heart attack today.

I can't do this. Kylie, throw this picture up. This right here. Remember I just sent you the screen grab? Trump's advisor on election turnout, voter turnout, is straight up panicking. Trump's turnout mastermind panics. We need more. By the way, again, I know all of you this week, we will go methodically and tweet at every single one of you and humiliate you because we actually had a ground game and we're going to have a great story to tell. And it's not over. To Tyler's point,

Carrie Lake can become a U.S. senator. It's like, again, we'll get there. And that would be a story to tell. Again, no guarantees, but that is a real thing. And to be clear, without turning point action and our advocacy in Wisconsin, I don't think we win Wisconsin. I don't think Donald Trump would have gotten the call last night. We have the numbers. I have the numbers. We have the numbers. We have the data to prove it.

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I want the one right out of the gate. He handled it professionally. It was like a weird AI morning Joe. It's like he sucked it up and was like, this is a moment. I'm going to do it. It's all of a sudden he was like a decent gentleman. And he wasn't good towards Trump. He was good to the country. So I have the long version. Let's just go ahead and play that version, Kylie. And we'll tell you when to stop it. No, no, no. I don't want Al Sharpton. No, no, no. We have him and Al Sharpton going. I don't want that. No, this is the –

No. Okay. Yeah, no, we don't. I want the intro right out of the gate. As soon as morning Joe and morning Joe, Joe, Joe went right to the camera and explained it in a very succinct, bizarre way. Actually, um, email us freedom at charliekirk.com. By the way, um, am fest right now. Can we get a close shot? Please is the biggest conservative end of the year. And Oh my goodness. Can we please get a close shot? It is going to be unbelievable. Am fest is Tyler. This is going to be crazy. It's crazy.

People are just going to lose it. This will be Mardi Gras. This is the largest conservative event in the year. This will be the largest conservative event ever. December 19, 2020, 21, 22, Phoenix, Arizona. Guys, you got to get it. Amfest.com. A-M-F-E-S-T.com. That is Amfest.com. I bet we're going to have some great speakers. We're going to have 30,000 people there plus.

I mean, it's going to be, by the way, if you want to find your future wife, your future husband, I'm telling you right now, this is, it's going to be unbelievable. The Phoenix Invention Center, get your tickets for $47.

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It's going to be pretty amazing. So go to amfest.com, amfest.com. It'll literally be the biggest thing we've ever done. We're going to take over that entire convention center. I'm telling you, I don't know if we can fit much more than 30,000. I think we're going to sell out. Oh, we're going to sell out. This is going to be the biggest thing ever done. This will be, and by the way, celebration well deserved. You know we've never done an AmFest where we're celebrating? You know we've never done an event...

post-2016 where we're like actually celebrating oh i know it's usually like looking forward or recalibration or reloading never this is one where i'm like honestly i have no i have no call to action enjoy that's literally what it's going to be the cta will be have fun folks don't get arrested stay alive literally that that will be my call to action is like let some steam off right it'll be

Unbelievable, actually. Amfest.com. It's at the Phoenix Convention Center. Breakout sessions. In-depth seminars. It's going to be epic. I can't wait. I mean...

Guys, this is going to be the greatest thing ever, right? Amfest.com, get your tickets right now. It's just – we haven't promoted at all. You know why I told the team? I said we're election focused. You're going to love this. Look at this. A reporter out of Alabama. I personally worked the polls yesterday, and I have to say I was so shocked by the amount of students from Auburn University driving home to vote yesterday. It was absolutely incredible to witness that and the number of first-time voters. Please say a big thank you to Charlie and the team. What an incredible win. It's very good.

Very sweet. Let's play cut 240. This is not the clip that we want, but it's still a good one. Play cut 240, please. Let's dig a little deeper because you have that stacked on top of what happened on college campuses this fall.

stacked on top of what's been happening on college campuses over the past four or five years. I have said this on the air, and every time I've said it, people said, oh, you're just saying that because you're a white conservative. No, I'm just saying it because every Democrat that we have ever sat down with dinner with over the past five years who have kids that go to colleges say their kids are afraid to speak in class because they'll be canceled. Let me say that again.

And they're all Democrats. Everybody that we've had dinner with, if they have a kid in college, you go, oh, Red Sox going. Yeah, fine. Yeah. So they're eating. Oh, beautiful day today, wasn't it? Yeah. You know, my daughter at University of Virginia, she's afraid to raise her hand in class because if she says something that's politically incorrect, she will immediately be canceled. She'll be shunned from class. She'll be destroyed in social media by noon. So they just sit in class quiet.

You know what, Joe? You might have a redemption arc in you, man. Whoa. Look, pain is a teacher, okay? And Joe is deciding... You know, you gotta wonder...

Is the Trump thing blinded? Deep down, does Joe actually hate the woke stuff? Morning Joe. You know what I mean? Because that right there, that's Verboten on MSNBC. You don't say those things unless you've been thinking them for a long time and keeping them in. I mean, listen, on the one hand, I have a ton of respect for what he did, but I'm also, I hate that they all knew this. Mark Halperin joining us next. I can't wait for this discussion. Great man. Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.

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Okay, everybody. What a day. We are on no sleep, and I'm sure our guest is as well. To his great credit from TwoWayTV, right? TwoWayTV.app. Is that right? I can't...

Yep. Two-way TV. It's on YouTube. It's everywhere. To his credit, he has been the best reporter of this cycle. He saw things before they were coming, and he actually had the courage to report it to Mark Halperin. Mark, welcome to the program. We are celebrating here, as you might imagine. And give your analysis, the historic ramifications here and...

You do your great credit game on our program yesterday. You said, Charlie, it's either going to break to Trump or break to Kamala. I don't think it's going to be close. Mark, welcome back. Thank you, sir. Thank you for your kind words. My analysis is you're one person, good cop, bad cop, won the election for Donald Trump. Guys, you're not turning out. Guys, you're not turning out. Guys, you're turning out. Guys, you're turning out. Mark, you're too smart, man. You're too smart for your own good. Wait, you mean that I actually knew what I was doing, Mark?

You were not engaged in what I call the pluff bluff. Oh, yes.

You were figuring out you got to get people energized and you got to get them on the bandwagon. And most campaigns have two different people do it. But Charlie Kirk wears two hats. Nicely done. Like eight hats. Yeah, but two hats in this case. No, look, I know what it's like in a different realm to have people out there saying these people don't know what they're doing. You and a guy named Elon were engaged in something that people said these are amateurs playing a pro game.

And you guys delivered. So congratulations to you. It's quite something to play at the highest level of one of the most competitive activities in the world, American presidential politics, and succeed. And you guys are justifiably proud of that. And as I said, I know I'm using a jokey tone, but what you did yesterday to use your megaphone was really smart because getting young men to do anything but play

the thing they like to do the most, which I won't say, is hard to do. It's hard to do. I meant play video games, by the way. It's hard to do. It's the most fun. This is Charlie's line. It's the most fun you can have with your clothes on, I will tell you. Winning a presidential election. That's very kind, Mark. And yes, just now that we can get the inside baseball, is that we knew what we were doing the whole time. The media, by the way, they carried the water for us. I said, how do I get them to write a bunch of articles

that women are outvoting men even though we're not that worried about it but we want to spike male turnout and then trigger a right-wing influencer chatter to then be able to get an extra one or two points where we need it i said i know i'm going to send a panic tweet because they're they're looking for copium on the other side and we mapped this whole thing out and next thing you know there is you know they took the entire narrative it was the one of the number one news stories i got

so many reporters asking me. I remember we talked it out and I was like, okay, women are ahead, but this is early vote. This will balance out. Yes, but I said we don't want balance. We want that one to two extra spike and it

it worked. Then all of a sudden, every right-wing influencer was talking about that. So let me ask you about that, Mark, and thank you for the kind words. It's very, very appreciated. Just to be clear, I was born at night, but it wasn't last night. And I decoded your secret plan all the way here in Manhattan. Well, yes, but for whatever reason, the other side seemed to do my work for me. So it was because what they did is like, Charlie Kirk is worried. I said,

Yes, this is exactly right. All right. So, Mark, but we were expecting at least a surge in young female and female vote. That was something that we were worried about. Did that manifest or materialize anywhere?

Well, there's no way to know because people rely on the exit poll. And I know from having used to work on the exit poll, and it's only gotten cheaper since then. You can't really say. But the proof's in the pudding, right? Donald Trump won the popular vote overwhelmingly. And on a qualitative side, on my platform, on Two-Way in the last couple days, we've had young women who are pro-choice,

who voted for Donald Trump, and their explanations of why they didn't vote for the pro-choice candidate helps explain, to the extent there was an under-voting of young women, helps explain it. You can have been pro-choice and not voted for Kamala Harris or not voted at all because it was not the energizing issue that the left and the press have said it was for a long time. There was evidence to think that it would be,

But again, every day folks come on our platform and explain why it wasn't for them. So I'm sure there's a lot of finger pointing going around right now. Is there any evidence, any evidence at all that Biden was, let's say, not as helpful as he could have been? I don't think on purpose. I think he's limited in what he can do. It's why he wasn't any longer on the ticket.

I think that there's one big story for each of the parties. For the Republican Party, it's that Donald Trump's realignment has reflected in not just his victory, but the nature of his victory. Again, don't like to overalign the exit poll, but to say it's roughly directionally correct. Donald Trump got less of the white vote

But now has created a party of the working class, white, black, Hispanic, young, independent. That's an incredible story. And it's not clear that any other Republican could have done that or can take the mantle from him when he's done. But in the short term, Donald Trump has done something nobody thought was possible and put a lie to the notion that his appeal is to the, quote, extreme MAGA base.

When you win the popular vote, you're not just appealing to the quote-unquote extreme MAGA base. That's an incredible story. On the Democratic side, it's their blindness. It's the mirror image of that. It's their blindness to Donald Trump's appeal. Oh, he can't win the popular vote. He's got a ceiling too low to win the battleground states. He talks, he's a racist, he's a fascist. He talks about issues that simply appeal to the extreme MAGA base. And I'm answering this in response to your question about the finger pointing.

I wrote a piece the other day for Fox News dot com about this. Their first impulse is going to be say it's all Joe Biden's fault. He shouldn't have run at all. He should have gotten out sooner. He should have allowed time for there being competitive primary or it's all Kamala Harris's fault. She gave bad answers on The View. Those are those are part of the story. But the fundamental thing is the party has moved so far to the left on issues.

and is not able to appeal to the groups that Donald Trump did very well with for a Republican. And so I have no doubt that you're going to hear more stories both about what's happened in the past and what happens going forward between, if not Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, at least between their camps. But to me, the more the Democratic Party focuses on that, the less likely they are to figure out how to solve this, because what happened to them yesterday was a repudiation, not so much of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, although it was that too. I agree with that.

but of the party's complete failure to understand that Donald Trump was eating their lunch in the center of the electorate. And so, Mark, let me now just take a little detour here. One thing that was a good, I guess, unintentional op on their side was the Seltzer poll. We were feeling great until someone that I've been watching for a while came out with this poll and said Kamala up three in Iowa. You asked great questions on two-way and you gave her a fair chance to go through it and all the crosstabs.

Just help me just like clear the air. What the heck is all that, Mark? I mean, how do you have a 16 point polling this? I mean, yeah. So so look, Anne is my friend and she was my pollster when I was at Bloomberg. And and and what I want to do is avoid people saying it was a conspiracy. She was trying to hurt Trump. I'm not saying that. Right. Well, I know you're I know I know you did. I know you didn't. But but but when people bring this up, I want to make it clear it's not that.

the best pollsters, no matter what methodology they use, one in 20 polls is going to be off. Okay. It's just the nature of how polling works. And, and it's figuring out who the electorate was going to be was very difficult this cycle because of COVID because of Harris replacing Biden, et cetera. Trump always makes it difficult. So,

I think the fault is not in Ann, who had a faulty poll, and she's done an interview with the Register that published the poll in Des Moines, and people can listen to her explanation about it.

The fault is not with Ann. The fault is with a consumer of polling, a culture of consuming polling, treating them there like predictions in the Rosetta Stone. They're not. And one poll that's an outlier, people should look at as either an outlier or on the cutting edge. Ann has done polls in the past that were outliers that turned out to be on the cutting edge and showed where the thing had been heading and where it would be on election day. So,

And had a bad poll. She's had some bad polls in the past, but she's mostly had a record of accuracy that exceeds almost any other pollster in the country. That is correct. So...

So if there's a bad poll, if Michael Jordan scores six points in a game, we don't say, well, who says Michael Jordan is a good basketball player? He only scored six points. We also don't say, well, now I know in the next game, Michael Jordan is not going to score more than six points. It's one poll. Polls can be off for a variety of reasons, even with the best pollsters with the best intentions.

The problem, I'll say again, was not Ann's poll, even though it was off. The problem was the left saying, oh, this means Harris is going to win Wisconsin, or the right saying, how outrageous that she's got a poll that's an outlier. That's what polls are like, a sophisticated appraisal of an outlier poll.

And you hear that in my conversation with Ann, with whom I respect, is maybe it's telling us where it's headed. Maybe it's an outlier. And that's it. And not treat it like some sabotage event or some inexplicable failure. Polls can be wrong with the best pollsters, with the best intentions. So, Mark, let me help me understand, because you talked to Sorsa on both sides. What's the future of the Democrat Party short and long term here? I mean, I'm sure that tonight's Kamala's speech will tell us a lot, but what's

Tell me, help me understand that. I actually don't think her speech will say much because I don't think people are going to look to her for leadership. Their problem is that, as I said, the only way to begin to solve a problem is to agree on what the problem is and then to work together to say what are the best solutions to this problem. Bernie will say and AOC will say the party wasn't left enough and populist enough on economics.

And others will say, we're crazy left wing on all this trans stuff and parents in schools and Israel. We got to move to the center on that stuff. Or we need more relatable candidates, whatever it is.

There's no agreement. And when you see a party suffer the crisis that they suffered last night, and don't minimize it, not just Trump winning the electoral college big, winning the popular vote big, but his encroachment on what have been traditionally Democratic constituencies. You need a once-in-a-generation leader to step forward and do that. And people say, well, you never know when one's going to come up. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were tagged as once-in-a-generation leaders from the time they were in college, okay?

There's no one like that now. And I think with all due respect to the people who were talked about as potential 2024 candidates or 28 candidates, I don't think any of them are once-in-a-generational leaders. I just don't.

And as I said, you know that. It's not something you get when you're 40s or 50s. You're tagged for it early. So their future is partly a crisis of issues and the fact that the party is controlled by the extreme left. It's also a crisis of leadership because I don't see a once-in-a-generational leader. And it's also a crisis of a disagreement about what is the problem and therefore what is the solution. That doesn't mean they're consigned to 50 years of doom. It just means standing here today, you

You can't identify. That's right. The consensus of the problem. Here are the leaders who are going to execute a solution that we agree on. None of that's in place. And that means they've got a problem. And they're running against the person who I continue to say is the second best presidential candidate or presidential political operative operator of our times after Bill Clinton. Mark, thank you so much. Can you please plug two way one more time just for our audience to make sure they're aware of it?

Sure. You're very nice. You can see it on YouTube, Two-Way TV. You can see it on my ex-account. You can see it on our website, which is twoway.tv. And there are programs that are free. You come on, you're part of a community that's bipartisan, people who are very conservative, people who are very liberal, and interact with people who are journalists and scholars and activists and politicians. Byron Donald's on tonight.

And it's a way to build community around long, sophisticated conversations about issues that are important to the country.

Thank you, Mark. Talk to you soon. Thank you. Thank you. You're nice to invite me back. And congratulations again. Really impressive achievement for a bunch of amateur acts. Thank you. As Politico said, as Politico said the day of the election, they let the inmates run the asylum. Direct quote from Politico. Yeah, but but but the punk inmates, not even like mature. No, that's right. I know. I don't even I don't even wear a tie. Thank you, Mark. The brand new. All right. Thank you, guys.

So much news happening. Do we have the morning Joe that I can play once Rav gets back guys? Do we have that intro for morning Joe? I think we do. Charlie, while we're pulling that up, we, we, we not even once we get back, I will play it. Yeah. While we're pulling that up, the transition that was just there was about all this constant conversation. And I want people to understand the amount of buckling that normally people do under the pressure of the beltway, uh,

losers and the hacks that are there that are so threatened by actual work totally

Is something that we're going to have to get into depth. Oh, we have a real story to tell it, which is they put so much pressure on us not to to make sure that we succeeded, but to try to get us out and out of the way because they knew that deep down. I think that that we had the capability of making sure that we could deliver some things here and prove some things. And now it's out for everybody to see.

And that's really an important thing for the entire Republican movement, the entire Republican apparatus to open their eyes open to is that we have an opportunity in front of us to win a lot of stuff moving forward. But it requires real diligence, real perseverance, real construction, real mechanics. And yeah, it's offensive that people even...

second guess some of it without introspection. There's going to be a lot of record setting going on. I'm going to go through the clock. These people were nasty. While we were working and Tyler was taking red-eye flights to Wisconsin, these people, I'm not going to say the names because we're streaming on other platforms. There's adjectives that I would use.

They were leaking stories with us that we constantly had to feed. That nasty crap. Seriously. Politico and like, oh, everyone's pointing fingers. They're really sweating. They trusted Charlie Kirk with all of this stuff. They're not doing anything. They tried to set. What the media tried to do is they said if Trump loses, we're going to blame Charlie Kirk. That's literally what the narrative was.

And the table was set for that. And I was like, let's do the work, guys. If we win Arizona-Wisconsin, that's our firewall. Imagine if they worked as hard as Charlie, we could have flipped another state. We could have flipped Minnesota. They're too busy cashing consultant checks. The consultant class needs to be purged. And it is worse than you could imagine. Again, we dealt with, no joke, 20 time-consuming, potentially...

like jeopardizing to our status as an organization, media articles that if we don't spend time with the reporters, it can impact donors. It can like, it's just, Oh, Hey, Tyler Montag.

You said we're not winners. Not yet. Wait, wait, wait. We got a U.S. center. We got a U.S. center. Wait. We're almost there. I want a close-up on my face. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me cook. There's a whole arc to this, guys. I got it all in my head. Like Sarno said. We're not doing names yet. Let us cook. We go broad, then we go specific. Let him cook. Anyway, just to reiterate, though, these people spent...

hours backgrounding reporters on fake BS that we then had to deal with to try to destabilize us and to go after us. And we just kept working. And Andrew, to his credit, this guy spent so much time away from his family because of these people. And like, you have to go on the reporters like, no, that's not true. Let me walk you through it. And like, dah, dah, dah, dah. Okay.

Thank you for that. No, it's true. It's great. And by the way, but you should also have a little bit of bitterness towards these people. Oh, I've been texting them all. No, because they took valuable time away from us. Because again, you can't ignore the press when they're like, well, five people say what you're doing is illegal. Okay, you got to drop what you're doing and you have to clarify it or else it could result in criminal investigation. You know what else was really sick about it is there's a lot of incumbents in, and I'm not going to be specific, so don't worry. Not yet. No, it will come. There's a lot of incumbents.

That were, to Tyler's point, really, really threatened. They wanted to see Turning Point's efforts fail. Because guess what? They think of it as a money game. And they think that you're moving in on their turf. And by the way, we succeeded.

And I want the audience to understand this. We can see in the data that without our efforts in Wisconsin, Trump does not win Wisconsin. We can see in the data that without our efforts in Arizona, Trump does not win Arizona. And by the way, there might be an argument to be made in Michigan when all is said and done. We're in Michigan 7. We're chasing ballots in Michigan 7. We won that congressional seat. Yeah.

That's huge. Everyone laughed at us. So there's a congressional seat in Michigan that we can point to. And by the way, we don't know what's going to happen with Sam Brown in Nevada. We have a lot of chases in Nevada, and Trump won Nevada. Our team in CD3 is still working. And we're carrying ballots. And I just got off the phone with

Other groups that are working in Nevada that are a running point on curing, and we're curing there. We're curing here. Yeah. All right. I want to play Joe Scarborough while we have Real America's voice here. Let's play cut. I think this is what we asked for, 242. We'll see.

Latino men came out in force for Donald Trump. Boy, what a huge difference that made. And, you know, that was really just part of the stunning outcome. I mean, America, first of all, is far more to the right than any time in our lifetime. Even going back to the Reagan years. And Donald Trump won in dominating fashion. The right-wing revolution. He did that along with other Republican candidates in the Senate races and the House races.

They're likely to dominate all branches of government for the next several years. And Donald Trump not only broke out through that sort of hard ceiling of 47, 48 percent. Think about this. He became only the second Republican to win a majority of the popular vote since 1988 in 36 years.

Yeah, by the way, the popular vote is worth a whole hour. Let me actually play the intro to that clip. I screwed it up. Play cut 241. Joe, we'll start with your take. Well, I mean, so much to go through. So many questions. I came onto the set, and Willie said, hey, by the way, because we were talking about the historic nature of this suite. And Willie said, do you know, he only lost Illinois football

By four points. Four points in New Jersey. New Jersey by five. I mean, you talk about a – we had talked about a red wave two years ago that never materialized. This is the – I've got to say, this is the biggest red wave I've seen since Ronald Reagan's 49-state victory in 1984. Every – it seems every Republican across the country improved. Guys, this is the equivalent –

You're never going to get a Reagan Mondale. This is as close as it gets in the modern era. The country's too divided. Too divided. You get within knocking distance in New Jersey. Orange County voted for Trump, by the way. Jungle primaries. So far. They're going to take another three weeks or so. But guys, I want to just take a step back here and reiterate what Joe is saying, and he's right. My whole political career, I've heard folklore of the Reagan election.

And 84. Yeah. You just lived through it. You just lived through the entire country sweeping red. And again, when people would say that I would cringe. I'd be like, Oh, don't say that landslide. It's like, it's, it's true. It, it happened. It's real. Like every single place in the country, except for like a couple micro counties, we got to get that red map. It's almost done. When California, Arizona comes in that I'm going to frame that by the way. Oh, that it's just, we should paint it on a wall. It's right. Right. Wing revolution. Right. Right.

We should. We should do wallpaper of it. That's awesome. All right, we're going to do it. At AmFest, we have to have it. We'll wallpaper. Everywhere at AmFest has to be that bad. We'll wallpaper the hallway with that. Members.CharlieKirk.com. If you become a member, we will sign a hat for you. Also, subscribe to our podcast. We're the number two podcast on the planet right now behind Joe Rogan, and I will play second fiddle to Joe Rogan any day. So that I will be Joe Rogan's co-pilot. By the way, Joe, God bless you. I think you played a role in this.

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