People of Faith Can Save the Country — Or Lose It: Live with Dr. Ben Carson at Dream City Church
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I just want to say this. Dr. Ben Carson is one of the most impressive and important people of our generation. And I can say this. If all young people, but especially the black youth of this country, would be told and taught of Dr. Ben Carson as a role model, this country would be in a much, much better place.

You know, that used to be the case. They would tell a lot of the young black children about me until they became convinced that I was a conservative. And then all of that went away at that point. But let me just say this, and it's not just because he's sitting here, but when you read the Bible, ancient Israel had a lot of incredible people who helped to guide that society.

And I think in this modern day, God has given us someone as brave, courageous, and intellectually superior as Charlie Kirk. You know, we were talking about the fact that a lot of the Christian evangelicals are sitting on their hands, sitting on the sideline and complaining. I was reading recently about Billy Graham and how he felt about that and how he felt that it was...

very wrong to complain about what was going on in society and not get involved in helping to fashion the direction of society. And a lot of Christians in particular say, but both sides are bad. And I don't want to be in a position of voting for somebody who is not what I think should represent us.

I don't want to vote between the lesser of two evils. You've heard that said, I'm sure, many times. Unless one of the candidates is Jesus Christ, you're always voting between the lesser of two evils. So that's why we should use these incredible brains that God has given us to distinguish between policies that are helpful and policies that are not. Because there are certain individuals that some people just detest.

Because they don't like their tweets and things like that. I'm not mentioning any names. But do you hate that person more than you love your children and your grandchildren? You know, that's what you got to think about. These things have to be put into perspective. And you know, it was Benjamin Franklin when he came out of that Constitution Hall in 1787. And he was asked, Sir, what do we have here? A monarchy or a republic?

And he famously said, a republic if you can keep it. Look how close we are to losing it right now. You have these crazy people who are using the justice system to go after their political enemies. Who would have ever thought that that would be possible in this country? And yet it is happening right before our eyes. Now, I hope that the person that they're going after...

actually goes up in the polls because people can see that. I'm not mentioning any names, but I hope that people can actually see what is going on. And isn't it interesting, our enemies, people like Iran, are trying to kill this person. They wouldn't be trying to kill him if he wasn't an existential threat to them. And nor would the deep state be trying to kill him if he wasn't an existential threat to them.

We have to get behind the right people. And look at the beginnings of our nation. Look at our founding document, the Declaration of Independence. It says that our rights come from our creator, a.k.a. God. Rights like life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Now, you don't have to be a great intellectual or academician to figure out which side is for life, which side is for death. And this is something that is particularly sensitive for me because as a pediatric neurosurgeon, I spent many hours, sometimes up all night, operating on little babies, many times premature babies, 25, 26, 27 weeks gestation.

And I will tell you, they needed anesthesia. They could feel what you were doing. And yet, when people go after them in late-term abortions, there's no anesthesia. They reach into that uterus with a forcep and grab a limb and pull and twist, and out comes an arm or a leg or some other part of the body with no anesthesia. Can you imagine that?

How barbaric that is. And we have the nerve to talk about some of the ancient societies and how they sacrificed children and how they were heathen. Are we any better when we do things like that? We do have a responsibility. It says in the book of Proverbs, the 24th chapter, verses 11 and 12.

What about those who are drawn unto death, who are about to be slain, the innocent ones? Did you say anything? Did you do anything? And does not he who sees and knows everything know what you did? We have a responsibility to help those who cannot help themselves. And I'm not just talking about babies who haven't been born yet. I'm talking about people who are out there in our midst.

You see all of these homeless people, for instance. Most of them are either addicted to drugs or are mentally ill. And housing first doesn't really work. It gets them off the street temporarily, but 90% of them end up back on the street. And we have a gradually increasing number of such people. I talked to the head of the American Psychiatric Association who said...

that the vast majority of those people with medications and supervision could actually become functional individuals. And then as far as the addicts are concerned, unless you have familiarity with addiction, it's hard to understand what goes on with those people.

But the vast majority of addicts, if they could push a button and they would no longer be addicted, they would wear that button out. They would love not to be addicted. But it's not easy. You get up in the morning, you say, okay, I'm done. I'm turning over a new leaf. Within literally hours, you're at it again. Because it's a physiological process that occurs in the brain.

And it is very difficult to overcome. It requires compassion and real professional help to get over things like that. But unless we learn that and we do that in an appropriate way, we're just adding to the numbers. And that is not helpful to us as a society. So we've got to use the brains that God has given us. And then as far as the concept of liberty, I've talked about life, liberty, right?

Which party, which individuals push for liberty, for you being able to lead the life that you want as long as it's not interfering with somebody else? And which party pushes for mandates? You must do this and you must do this and interfering with your life. It's not too hard to figure that out, is it? And you think about the fact that

Instead of allowing what has worked so well in a capitalist society, which is letting market forces drive where the efforts are put, we'd use mandates. We short-circuit the system and we don't make the same kind of progress. It was because we had a system that encouraged entrepreneurship and innovation and rewarded people for their success that

That's why the vast, vast majority of inventions starting in the middle of the 18th century were starting to come from this country. And by the time we reached the 20th century, it was overwhelmingly from this country that those things were coming because we had a system that encouraged and rewarded it.

There's nothing wrong with our system, but we allow the Marxists to convince our young people that it is. Can you imagine being a young person today and the things that they're being subjected to? It's done on purpose because the Marxists want a one-world government. And what is the major obstacle to that? It's called the United States of America and our principles. So...

So, Dr. Carson, Christians are in a place that is new. Billy Graham compared socialism and communism to the religion of Satan.

Billy Graham was a crusader against Marxism and communism. We saw the moral majority in the 1980s and 1990s where pastors were willing to speak out. There are 34 days for the election here. There are many pastors in the audience and people that influence pastors and millions of people watching online. What should the message be and why is it that pastors have been reluctant to speak out like generations prior? I think the message should be

that we, the people of faith, by sheer numbers, have the ability to control the direction of our country. But if we sit on our hands, it's not going to happen. So I think we have an obligation for all of those who are coming behind us

to get off of our tissues and actually get out there and do something because you're doing it for your children and for your grandchildren, for all the people who are depending upon you. And we can change it. What we have to understand is that Marxism, socialism, communism, they thrive on intimidation. That's what they do. That's what political correctness and wokeism is.

canceling people is all about intimidating them. And we have to recognize that sometimes if we get out there and we're aggressive and we're vocal, that yes, we may in fact be persecuted. The Bible says that. But against the backdrop of eternity, what is a little persecution in this life? We have much bigger goals that we have to be thinking about.

And allowing your life to be controlled by fear is a real mistake. I remember when I was a youngster, I was deathly afraid of dogs. I'd be going to school and I would be late because I'd almost be there and there would be a dog. And I have to go all the way around the block and come back in a different direction. And then there'd be another dog. But then I met a man and he said, Benny? Benny?

A dog will not bother you if you're not afraid of it, or at least if you act like you're not afraid of it. They will never bother you. I said, are you sure about this? He said, absolutely. No question about it. So I said, I'm going to test this out because there was a dog down the street named Rusty who was really a nasty dog and nobody liked to go down that way. So I said, I'm going to go down there. I go walking down there.

And Rusty sees me and his ears perk up and he starts licking his chops. And he comes running after me, barking and snarling and ran right up to me. And I said, this is a mistake. But then he just sniffed my leg, turned around and went back to the porch. And, you know, from that day forward.

Rusty never bothered me. He would bother other people, but when I walked by, he didn't bother to get up because he knew I wasn't afraid of him. And that's the same thing that will happen with these Marxists in our society. We just have to be brave enough to trust in God and get out there and do what we need to do and not worry about their silly threats because who is ultimately in charge? Thank you.

And I have to admit that, you know, not being fearful was key to my neurosurgical career as well. You know, there are many people in my field who wouldn't do things because they were afraid. And I remember there was one young man who had a disease called Van Hippel-Lindau, where you develop these very vascular tumors throughout the nervous system.

And he had developed one right in the palms, in the brain stem, a very delicate, inoperable area. And none of the adult neurosurgeons would touch him. Unfortunately for me, his wife was a pediatric neurosurgery nurse. And she worked on the floor where most of my patients were. So I couldn't escape her. And she said, she said, you're going to have to operate on my husband.

And I said, but I'm a pediatric neurosurgeon. And she said, well, he acts like a child. And so, you know, she kept twisting my arm until I finally went to see him. And I said, Craig, where this tumor sits, if I operate on you, there's no better than a 50-50 chance that you will survive. You will likely die on the table. And he said, Doc...

If you don't operate on me, there's a 100% chance that I'm going to die. I said, that sounds pretty mature. Well, they were very faithful Christians. And we spent a lot of time praying. I decided to take them to the operating room. Went down to the area of the brainstem. A lot of new blood vessels had grown in to feed the tumor. It was very complex. But I was under the high-powered microscope, clear a small area on the brainstem.

and make a little incision and use a probe to find where the consistency was different because I would know that's where the tumor was. Use some micro forceps, reached in and grabbed the capsule. I couldn't see it. I could just have to fill it, take another micro instrument and start teasing the tumor away from the tissue. And as I was starting to see the tumor, as it was starting to come out of the hole,

The anesthesiologist announced that the brainstem potentials had gone flat. The electrical activity that shows us that there is brain activity. And he said, I told you you were going to kill him because he had been very much opposed to the operation. Well, I continued the operation and got the tumor completely out. No brainstem activity left.

And at the end of the operation, of course, he didn't wake up. Went back to the ICU with full life support. A lot of prayers that night. But when I came in in the morning, he was extubated, sitting up in the bed, telling jokes. Wouldn't, would have not have done that if I had not felt confident.

that God was behind me. I wouldn't have done that for a lot of things that I did knowing that God is there. And we have to recognize no matter how grim things look in our society, he is there. And if he was willing to save Solomon Gomorrah for 10 people, we got this. We got this. We don't have to worry about that at all.

So, Dr. Carson, there are so many issues facing the country right now, and you detailed it perfectly. The border is one of the biggest ones. And we're here in a border state, as I mentioned, 320,000 missing kids. I just want you guys to understand that. 320,000 missing children in just the last four years that are now prostitutes and being used as sex slaves for the cartel. Just so you understand that the drug cartels...

They went from selling drugs, they still do that, to selling human beings. They get $10,000 a head per person. So we talk a lot about slavery in this country as if it stopped.

Slavery is alive and well. And just go down to Yuma and I can show you the slave trade. In fact, there's an amazing new documentary that James O'Keefe has that's coming out called Line in the Sand. It's amazing. You guys should see it. It's so chilling where...

These Border Patrol agents, they are now blowing the whistle saying that they are told by their superiors, so Mayorkas and Kamala Harris, to get as many kids in the country as possible with people that are not their parents, that they have no idea who these people are. And these are unaccompanied minors that then just get thrown to a pimp, and this 13-year-old then just goes and is a sex slave for the rest of their life. And our government is co-sponsoring and facilitating it

And the media could not care less. Like the media does not care about this at all. And this is not even talking about the gang problems with the trend day or warga or the Haitian problem in Springfield. That's all separate. This is just the children part of it. Dr. Carson, in the scriptures, it is repeated about what happens to a society or a people or individuals that mistreat children. Your thoughts on the horror of what's happening on the southern border.

Well, I hope some of you saw the movie, The Sound of Freedom. There were many attempts to suppress that movie for strange reasons. But, you know, Jesus said, suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not for if such is the kingdom of heaven. And that for anyone who led children astray, it would be better for a millstone to be placed around their neck and be thrown into the depths of the sea.

That tells you how the Lord feels about children and about protecting those children. And you think about a young child. Think about fertilization when it occurs. And you've got a female gamete, 23 chromosomes, a male gamete, 23 chromosomes. Then fertilization occurs and you've got a zygote with 46 chromosomes, a complete genetic map for a new person.

Not part of the mother, not part of the father. A new human being. And that brain starts developing immediately. Millions of neurons every day. Later on, billions of neurons a day and interconnections. When a baby is born, that brain is still developing at a terrific rate, which is why newborn babies sleep 20 to 22 hours a day.

The brain continues to develop right into your mid-20s. Some people it never develops. But on average, that is the case. Now, think about the implications of what I just said. In our school systems and in other locations, you have adults telling 9, 10, 11, 12, 13-year-old kids with non-developed brains...

That they may not be a girl or a boy. Think about that. Isn't that the reason that God gives children parents to protect them when they're vulnerable like that? It is nothing short of child abuse that we're dealing with. And we have a responsibility.

to speak up for those children, to do what we can. And I hope that many of you will think seriously about getting involved in the legislative process, maybe as state representatives, as school board people, to make sure that these things don't happen because it's not just not voting.

It's not getting involved that is hurting us. We need to be leaders in these areas. We need to wield power in these areas. And you're told from the time that you're a little child that there are two things you should never talk about in public, religion and politics. Those are the exact things we need to be talking about because that's where the attack is coming from.

And now is the perfect time because, you know, there's an election coming up. I'm a 501c3, so I can't tell you who to vote for. But I can. But I can I can tell you it's pretty clear that our country is moving in the wrong direction.

And you look at how our families are being dismantled and not forming. You know, people are not getting married or they're getting married late. Women are not bearing children. We're down to 1.6 births per woman. It takes 2.1 to maintain the population. We're dwindling away.

And the families are where the values are passed through. So if children are not getting appropriate counseling from their parents and guidance from their parents, they're going to get it from somewhere else. And this is what you're seeing on these college campuses with these kids running around, you know, proclaiming Hamas as the victim.

when they're the ones who destroyed the lives of 1,400 Israelis on October the 7th, about a year ago.

But it's because they don't actually know the history of what's going on. They don't know about the Holocaust. They don't know about hatred. They don't know anything about Jacob and Esau and Ishmael and Isaac or any of the history of all the things that have been going on. And as a result of that, they become easily manipulated. One of the things that Marxists do is they dumb down the population.

They always do that first so that you can gaslight people. And that's exactly what's happening in our society today. You see those men on the street interviews and they ask them the simplest questions and they have no idea. It must hurt to be that stupid. But the fact of the matter is that has to be done.

For you to say things like the border is secure with millions of people coming across. Some of whom are terrorists, by the way. And it is only the grace of God that is saving us right now because we've got a lot of them in here right now. And we have to pray that God will honor his faithful and save our country today.

but also to give us some real leadership. Amen. Let's do some questions, guys. If you want to start lining up for questions, I want to remind you two things. Please support Dr. Ben Carson's nonprofit, the American Cornerstone Institute.

very important. And secondly, I'm going to keep on challenging you throughout the night to after we're done, spend an extra five minutes before you run to your car and go to those tables and find out how you can make a difference this election, even if it's two votes.

Three votes, five votes, 10 votes. Our team is ready, willing, and able to put you to work. Okay, are we prepared on either side yet? Let's start. This side's a little light so we can start moving there, but let's start here with the Let's Go Brandon t-shirt. Or actually, we'll start with the other gentleman. Then we'll get to the swing voter with the Let's Go Brandon shirt. Yeah, undecided. All right, yeah, we'll start on this side.

Hi, I'm George Wood. I want to know if we can do something more than we're doing to show that Kamala Harris's rollout is not the person that she really is. There have been so many people that have been leaving her staff as vice president that may have also been happening when she was attorney general. We need to have someone come forward and tell us what it's really like to work and be around Kamala Harris.

Well, that's a good question. You know, here's where common sense comes into play. Kamala Harris was the most left-wing senator in the Senate. And look at what she did when she was in San Francisco as the DA. Destroyed that place. What did she do in California as the Attorney General? Destroyed that place. And what would she do as president? Destroy the whole country.

The pattern has already been set. But the reason that you know that she has really not moved off of those far left wing philosophies that she has is that her left base is not mad at her.

If they really thought she had moved off, they would be piping mad, and they're not. So that tells you exactly what you need to know. It's a very smart point. They know that it's all just rhetoric to try to get political power. If she wins, there will be 30 million new illegal people in the country in two years. They will all get amnesty. She will pack the U.S. Supreme Court. She will add D.C. and Puerto Rico as states, and we will never win an election again. Besides that, everything will be great. Yes.

Dr. Carson, I want to thank you for your character. I so admire you. Thank you very much for being here. Thank you. I've been trying to weaponize people's voices with the greatest war in the covenant because I believe we're at war between Satan's marionettes and God's warriors. And there's no middle ground. Not to act is to act. Not to speak is to speak.

Why is the greatest war in the covenant not being talked about? It has God all over it. And you would think that that would be front and center. Well, I think more people are starting to talk about it, particularly more pastors. We were on a call today with thousands, probably tens of thousands of pastors, along with President Trump and Paula White, talking about

how do we disseminate this information? How do we get it out there? It's going to require a lot of effort. We've only got 34 more days to do it. But if everybody uses their sphere of influence in an appropriate way, I think we can make the difference. When you're looking at states

where the difference between winning and losing is 5, 10, 15, 20,000 votes. That's not a lot of votes in a state. And if we can get organizations like this one, if everybody here makes it their goal not only to vote, but to get everybody in their sphere of influence to vote the right way, we're going to be just fine.

Bob Baker, Dr. Carson, when you ran for president, I was living in California. I went up to a rally in Sacramento for you, and I was so impressed I volunteered to be your campaign manager for Ventura County in California. Thank you. I think a lot of you.

Dr. Carson, why isn't our side, when we have debates on abortion, it's always about the woman's body. Why aren't we stressing the baby, the baby that's inside the mother? Why aren't we talking about, you mentioned the anesthesia, you know, and that those babies are suffering tremendously in their womb. Why aren't we talking about them, doctor? Well, that's a very good question because

Have you noticed that when somebody murders a pregnant woman, they get two counts of murder? But when they just murdered a baby, they're upholding women's rights? You know, that doesn't make a lot of sense. We need to start talking about how these things don't make sense. And, you know, a relationship that is one of the most sacred relationships on earth, that of the mother and child, should not be made into one of animosity.

where one is inconvenient. And one of the things that we have to recognize as a society is that we have to provide alternatives. We have to make adoption much easier and less expensive. We have to have support mechanisms. And we need to start teaching our young people a word that they don't know anymore. It's called abstinence.

One other thing I might just mention about abortion and being pro-life. We have people who think life begins at conception. I'm one of them. We have people who believe it starts at six weeks when there's a heartbeat. Some who think it starts at 15 weeks when there's sensation.

Doesn't matter which one of those groups you belong to. We're all under the same pro-life umbrella and we need to stop fighting each other and recognizing that we're moving toward a society that honors life. That's really the key. And we're going to do much better with conversion of people than we are going to do with coercion of people.

Just teach them what is going on and help them understand that. That's why so many young people are pro-life because they've seen, due to technology, what is actually in that uterus. And when you see those little arms and legs and that cute little face and that nose and lips, it's really hard to say that that's a meaningless bunch of cells.

Hi, I saw a post from Fox News this last week that said men pour into church pews and flip the female trend on faith for the first time in modern American history. Why do you think men are gravitating to the faith so much more than women? And do you see this as a hope for America's future? I'm going to give that one to Charlie.

Yeah, I saw the same article, actually. I wanted to do a podcast episode on it, but I've been a busy news week with everything. So look, men are the most conservative that they've been in 50 years. They're also the most religious they've been in 50 years, which is amazing. And...

Women are the most liberal they've been in 50 years and the least religious they've been in 50 years. And let me tell you why. The culture that women are ingesting is complete poison.

From the pop artists, yes, like Taylor Swift and many others that glorify a non-married, single, career-driven, boss babe culture that is all about body sovereignty and autonomy, not about morals or objective truth. And the screed for that worldview is abortion.

OK, that abortion is the way that they tell the world that I'm in charge and you are not and that I have my own sovereignty and nothing buttresses up against that worldview more than religion. Because by definition, when you enter a church, you actually aren't the boss of your own life.

That there's a God and you aren't him. And you should bow at the cross that Jesus died for you. And so that worldview comes in just complete contradiction to any person, but especially a young lady that is being told the entire life that you're the boss of your own life. You don't need support. You don't need a man. You know, you should just freeze your eggs, get on hormonal birth control. And I'm not here to judge anybody that does those things, but we can agree that the culture...

Is very very sick right now for young ladies. They're the least married. Most depressed. Most suicidal. Most anxious generation in history. Now young men are the exact opposite. They're suffering. But they're ingesting culture that is a lot different. They're ingesting culture that is Jordan Peterson. Or Ben Shapiro. Or Matt Walsh. Or the Charlie Kirk show. Or any one of the you know. Where it's a different perspective. Which is masculinity is good.

God built a world that has distinctions and those distinctions are male and female and good and evil and man and nature and holy and profane. And the way that you fit into those distinctions is a hierarchy. You're above the animals, but below God. So you better get right with God because you aren't God. And so the through line is,

Of masculine content. And you see this with the rise of so many of these people. For example the conversion of Russell Brand. And people like that. That are becoming more religious in their approach. Is that it leads you eventually to the cross. Where the cultural content that young ladies are putting in their life. Leads you further and further away from the cross. And so...

You see this in politics and religion. And so it's a great thing long term. So if you were to say, Charlie, would you rather have young women be religious or young men? It's difficult, but probably young men, because eventually once the young ladies get married, hopefully the men will lead them towards Christ. If they get married, though, and that's the tragedy, is that young ladies are increasingly saying no to marriage. They're increasingly saying no to children. And it's a toxin.

And we need better godly female role models that can be the female Jordan Petersons.

That can lay out a deep and biblical and exciting and thoughtful philosophical worldview that a young woman that is currently, quite honestly, drowning in this sea of post-modernism can attach to. And I see it on these campuses where, again, we have a ton of support. By the way, we're at Grand Canyon University today. We registered 750 new voters for Trump today.

Great work, guys. Yeah, that's right. It was really great. So I don't want to paint with too broad of a brush, but we have never seen young men this conservative and young ladies this liberal. We've never seen this divide before. And it makes sense.

And the church, this final thing I'll say is this, is the church needs to stop feminizing its approach. And that doesn't mean I'm not saying that women can't be involved in ministry. I'm not saying that. Feminizing your approach is watering down the truth of the gospel to make the emotionality and to make it seem as if you can't say something blunt that is true because you're worried about offending somebody else.

I love, you know, women, of course, and I love all people, but women are far less likely to say something that might offend others because they are more agreeable because God made women more agreeable. Men are more likely to say blunt and not angel. I know angel, you're the exception for that. I'm kidding. No.

Or Aubrey. But generally, and we see this, a man is more likely to say something that might offend a group and be an outlier where a young woman is far less likely because they want to fit in. This is why women are more likely to be part of social contagions, more likely to be trans, more likely to cut themselves, more likely to be goth, more likely to be part of suicide cults, so on and so forth.

Because young ladies are more agreeable towards the kind of hive-mindedness where young men are not. Again, this is just nature. You can disagree with me. This is just the way that God made us. So what is the solution? The solution is the church needs to get back to preaching the word of God as it is written, not trying to put it through a worldly secular lens. You know, that might explain why women don't seem to be upset about

About men playing in women's sports. That is exactly right. That is such a profound point Which is we have heard forever. Thank you for bringing that up. Where are the feminists? Where are the feminists if you study the second and third wave feminism? Transgenderism is the logical out point of feminism. It was never about women's rights it was about we're okay with anyone who sympathizes with the struggle of a woman and

That was always the Betty Friedan kind of creed. If you go back to the Feminine Mystique, you go back to the original complaints of the 1950s, 60s, and 70s, they're okay with the trans thing because they say, oh, they want to be like us. That's cool. Anyone can be part of the woman club. When again, that is against biological reality, but also by definition, they're also afraid of the fight itself.

and the ostracization that opposing the trans jihadis bring. So if you stand up against a trans zealot, by definition, you are being disagreeable in this culture, right? You are inviting cancellation, ostracization. You're inviting a fight. That's why men are the ones that are more likely to stand up against the

The trans part of it. That's why there's not a lot of Riley Gaines out there. There's not a lot of people saying, because they say, well, I don't want to be, you know, an outcast. And so it's perfectly put Dr. Carson. And that is why I've said all along, it should be up for the dads of these daughters to fight on behalf of their daughters to make sure that men are not in their sport.

Good evening. Thank you so much. Hey, Charlie. Dr. Carson, I just want to say I'm so thrilled that you did not listen to the people that tried to discourage you from publishing your book, The Perilous Fight. Like you, I did not grow up in a traditional nuclear family. Our parents divorced when we were young. And like you, I'm also a huge advocate for the traditional family.

My question tonight is about government agencies and the data that they put out. So Charlie, on your podcast recently, you said, it's not a quote, but you said we can't trust the FBI, the CDC, the DOJ, Department of Education, Secret Service. You also said we can't trust Harvard. So if we can't trust these government agencies, and I don't,

Then why should I trust the data that they put out when they say that 70% of children born in this country that look like me are born into a home without a father and more than 50% of the violent crime in this country is committed by people that look like me? Why should I trust that data? I'll start with it. You should always verify your sources in multiple places.

That's really the only solution for that kind of thing. The CDC, certainly our governmental health agencies, have done almost irreparable damage to their reputations over the COVID crisis. And it's going to take a long time to repair that. But the deep state is very deep and it traverses multiple agencies.

And that's the reason that they're so afraid of a particular candidate, because he recognizes that they need to be cleaned out. And that's why they'd be willing to do virtually anything to make sure that he does not become president.

It's a great question. So part of the problem with these agencies is the data. It's not everything. Some of the data that they publish is legit. For example, really hard to falsify murder statistics, right? You got a dead body. It's either dead or not, right? And a lot of that is locally sourced. Really hard to falsify like annual mortality rates. Super easy to falsify death from COVID, right?

Right. Was it from COVID or with COVID? Totally. Right. So that's totally, that's very legit from the crime statistics. A lot of that is locally sourced. So it's state and local and County crime statistics that are then set up to the FBI. So that's usually more accurate and it's been third or fourth party checked. But the biggest problem with the institutions is less about the data and it's more about what they do with the data. So let me give you an example. Um, with COVID, um,

Within 30 days, we knew what the COVID death rate was for people that did not have pre-existing conditions, that were not chronically overweight, and were under the age of 50. We knew that data. And the CDC knew it, and you knew it, yet they still decided to lock down the entire country and mask your kid and to make you wear a mask when you shower and shut down all the schools, all that stuff.

And so there's two reasons for this. It's less about the data. It's more about, number one, the way our institutions are constituted, because we want strong institutions, is that it's a reverse meritocracy, that you ascend by failure, not by excellence, that Anthony Fauci climbed the ladders of NIH by failing and covering up on scandals his entire career. Read Bobby Kennedy's book, by the way, The Real Anthony Fauci. You'll see.

And not by having great ideas, but instead being a creature and an organism of Washington. So it's the way that we choose personnel. And then number two, the culture of our government agencies is far more about status quo protection and elite capture than it is about serving the interest of the American people. So the CDC is far more interested in making sure that Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson are never held accountable for vaccine injuries than

than they are actually trying to promote the public health. And the best person on this, again, is Bobby Kennedy. So a final example, I could talk about this all day long, is the FDA. So the FDA will, we all agree on the data. You go to the FDA, they will say, okay, half of all kids are chronically obese. Half. Okay, 50% of our kids are obese. Japan, 3% of their kids are obese. So what is the FDA's solution?

The FDA solution is not more activity or to change the food guidelines or to go after the poison and pesticides in our food. Their solution is taxpayer funded Ozembic for kids. Not a joke. So we agree on the data. Half our kids are obese. The FDA says what we need is we need taxpayer funded Medicaid for kids to inject themselves on a permanent injection for the rest of their life.

Only if you are a proxy or a employee of a Danish drug company could you believe something as insane as that, right? So I don't trust the institutions for those reasons. Some of the data I do trust, but it's more what they do with the data that I think is the biggest problem. Great question. Thank you. Hello, Dr. Carson and Mr. Kirk. My name is Ray Ray. I'm a student at GCU. So one, thank you so much for coming today. We really appreciate that.

My question today is I got a lot of friends at GCU that frankly believe their vote doesn't matter and the stakes this election, you know, they say it every year that the stakes, this is the biggest election ever held. And this one that might be very true for so.

how can I lovingly convince them that their vote does matter and it actually is going to count towards something and just, you know, get involved with politics without, you know, being super corrupt? Yeah, I would suggest you have them look up the congressional record for January the 10th, 1963, in which Congressman Herlong of Florida read into 45 goals of communism in America.

And see how many of them are true. And recognize that we are pawns in a game and are being manipulated.

And the only way that we can stop it is exercising the power of the vote, which our founding fathers left in the hands of we the people, knowing that one day we would reach this stage, that there might be a time when government could not be trusted, but that the people could be. That's the only way. And you've got to convince them of that. Yeah. So are these people that think that their vote is going to be stolen or is that...

Yeah, I think so. I think they also think that they frankly just don't matter. And there's too many other opinions that differ from them. Okay. So yeah, again, this is, I don't know the specific details of this case. I gotta be honest though, of all the objections that I hear in my career, someone telling me that they don't have four minutes to fill out a piece of paper to save the country is the one where I have like no patience. Okay. And

These people will wait in a 45-minute TSA line to go on vacation in Orlando, and they won't fill out a piece of paper that is four minutes so that we can save the civilization, okay? I have no patience for that whatsoever, and I honestly believe...

And I know you'll agree with this. I think it's an unclean spirit from the pit of hell to hypnotize us to believe that it's somehow a big waste of time to fill out a piece of paper. No, it's your duty to do that. That's the minimum obligation in a free society. Like very base minimum. Minimum. And...

So, yeah, I just I'm awfully dismissive of it because we're losing our society largely because of attitudes like that. OK, we'll take two. We'll take a couple more. Yes. Yes, sir. Welcome, Dr. Carson. Good to see you, Charlie. Charlie, I want you to know that my family and I keep you and your family lifted up and we pray for you all the time. My question is actually for both you, but mostly to Charlie. My question tonight is about self-control.

Charlie, I saw you on Charlie versus 25 woke students. Very entertaining. Everyone should see it. You were surrounded. There was one student in particular who said horrific things about your family, and it was actually difficult for my wife to watch. How did you exercise self-control in that moment? If she had said these things to me, I fear the outcome would have been different. I actually, I have a good humor about it. First of all, this is where my faith comes in.

Number one, that's a very broken individual who obviously does not know the Lord, who basically wished death upon my family. I don't know if you watch it. It's hard to watch. Wishing those awful things. And it's very clear she doesn't have Jesus in her life. And so I don't look at her as an obstacle, but as an opportunity. And I hope that Christ comes into her life. Because that's no way that someone should talk, right?

Um, but you asked the question and I think Dr. Carson would agree because he has much better self-control than I do. Way better. I mean, this guy's a brain surgeon that saved people's lives, right? I would be all over the place, right? It would not be good. I don't have self-control. I, it's a fruit of the Holy Spirit. And so when you invite the Holy Spirit in your life, you get things that your flesh does not have.

I could tell you what my flesh wanted to do in that moment, but we are more than flesh when we invite the spirit into us. You become, as in Romans 12, 2, it says, do not conform to the ways of this world, but instead be transformed by the renewing of your mind. And I like to believe that when I encounter some of these very hostile, aggressive college students, they're

that it's not my flesh but it's the holy spirit that is transforming me into a much better hopefully holier version of myself because my flesh would love to kind of remark in that instance but we all have things we need to work on self-control has definitely been mine and praise god the last 12 years the holy spirit's been at great work on me in that regard two more yeah just two more here really quick yes ma'am hi charlie um i'm also from gcu um

I was on the event committee getting people filling out ballots. You probably saw me. I'm in your video. Can I pause just really quick again? We registered 750 new voters for Donald Trump today at GCU. And you did a great job. What's your name again? Megan. Megan. Give it up for Megan. She was working her tail off today. She did great.

Me and a bunch of other people that I know some of them are here somewhere that I can't find, but I know they're here. My question for you is I'm a senior graduate in college in April, and I know how important it is to speak out about this election and our politics. But there's a part of me that worries because I'm trying to find a job after I graduate. And there's so many companies that will discriminate against people like me for their jobs.

for being vocal about my beliefs, especially in the field that I'm in, which is cybersecurity, which is very woke. So what's your advice on kind of facing persecution in the job market for your beliefs? Yeah, I would say if they're going to persecute you for your beliefs, you don't want to work for them anyway. Thank you.

I will say this. You are right. The big cybersecurity companies are terrible. CrowdStrike being one of them. I think I got that right. I think they're actually headquartered here, actually. Or they were. Or their CEO lives here or something. That was the Hillary Clinton company. It's legit. Here's my piece of advice. It is almost always the right decision to prioritize truth above convenience. And the bridge that makes that possible is courage.

and you get courage from Christ. It won't be easy and it won't be comfortable, but we as Christians are not called to comfort. We're called to something greater. So I'm not going to sugarcoat it. It might be difficult, but that is a early test in your life of what you believe and why you believe it. Because if you take the job at CrowdStrike or some cybersecurity company, and you have to all of a sudden attend transgender trainings,

and do mandatory white privilege seminars, and that will torture your soul. And no six-figure salary is worth that. I've worked two internships at Cisco Systems. I had to do all that at both, so I understand. I will say there is a growing market thanks to Elon Musk. You can go work for Starlink, by the way. I think that would be great. There is a growing world of non-woke tech people, and I think you're going to find a great career. I'm confident of that. Thank you.

Okay, final question here. Final question. Dr. Carson, I'm so grateful to be able to ask you this question. It's come to my attention recently that pregnant women, young women are using marijuana while they're pregnant for morning sickness or whatever reason. In your professional opinion and what you know about the neurology and the development, how does marijuana affect the fetus?

Well, there's not a tremendous amount of research on what it does to the fetus, but there is a growing body of evidence that it is very deleterious for the developed brain. And people have flashbacks. People have all kinds of things that destroy their lives. I was talking to a young man today at another setting who was talking about how marijuana had destroyed his life.

and how he was so uncomfortable with the increasing attempts to legalize these substances. But virtually everything that goes into the bloodstream of a pregnant woman gets to some degree to the baby. It is attenuated by this draining system that exists in the placenta system.

But they can't completely eliminate all the harm that goes there. So I would strongly advise any pregnant woman to stay far, far away from these deleterious drugs. Well, Dr. Carson, I know I speak for everyone here. Thank you for your service to our country. Thank you for your courage. Thank you for your clarity. And thank you for your boldness.

You are one of our greatest living Americans. Give it up for Dr. Carson. And please get involved, everybody. We need you guys. Chase ballots. Thank you. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.