How Will Gen Z Achieve the American Dream? My Debates at the University of Georgia
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Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA. We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here.

Hello. Hi. Oh, you got the Democrat sticker. Yeah, I do. Okay, good.

It's okay. Hey, give the Democrats the respect that you guys never get on campus, okay? Show them a little respect, okay? So I have a two-part question pertaining to the Civil Rights Movement and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. So you've been on record saying that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a mistake.

Why did I say that? I know you have a nuanced take about it. My second question is where I really want to get into a new opinion that you may have, but I was wondering if you could first set the stage with your beliefs about that. Yeah, I mean it was written way too broadly, and now it's being used in ways that it was never intended. We both agree that racial segregation based on race should be illegal, but now that it's being used, for example, to allow men and female sports as a complete overreach of the original intent of the Civil Rights Act,

The Civil Rights Act is now being used to allow men into female locker rooms, and the entire trans movement is largely built on the Civil Rights Act, which we can all agree that men should not be in female sports. We can all agree on that.

And so it has gone way beyond its original intent. So I believe that it should have been written with more precision and probably not as long and not as wide-reaching. However, the intent was very noble and very righteous. Okay. And, yes, I would agree that men have no place in women's sports. But my second part of my question would say that you've also kind of been very critical of –

of MLK and pertain to a lot of his character issues, right? And you've said that you've been trying to kind of not rewrite but examine MLK in a new way recently. And you also have been quoted saying that when MLK started to become idolized, that the progress of black America goes sideways. And a lot of that, from my understanding, you may correct me if I'm wrong, is due to his character and his and so forth. But

Yet, like we stand here and you're a proud supporter of Donald Trump, someone who's a multi-time adulterer, has been convicted in a civil court of sexual abuse and is a perpetual liar. So my question would be, if it is a mistake to idolize MLK for his character issues despite his groundbreaking leadership in the civil rights movement, how is Trump someone that can be held in such a heroic light? Yeah, well, first of all, MLK is one of the few people that has a national holiday.

So you can agree that's a pretty high standard, right? I mean, do you think Donald Trump deserves a national holiday? No. Yeah, okay. So the point is this, is that MLK gets held up to a very high standard and gets almost no opposition. He did some amazing things. He also did some things that are worthy of question and examination. That's all that I did earlier this year.

But as far as the other thing, I think we all agree that we're not voting for a pastor or for a priest. We're voting for a president that has flaws but did a wonderful job when he was first president and will do a wonderful job again. And more importantly, you're voting for 5,000 people that will run your government. And the fact that Elon Musk, Tulsi Gabbard, and Bobby Kennedy are now joining the Trump team and the Trump ticket is all the more reason.

And so you can have fair objections to Trump's past. It's been very eventful and very colorful. I will say, though, he was an effective president, and he has a lot of virtues as well. Courage under fire, relentless perseverance, and a heart for the American people to keep on fighting for them. And so I don't think either should be venerated, nor they should be idolized, but I do think Donald Trump should be voted for, which I think is a very important distinction. Fair point. Thank you so much. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Who's up? Disagreements welcome. Yeah. So both my dad and I respect what you do. Love it. Love seeing your videos. He isn't here right now, but he wanted to ask you a question. How would ideologically conservative people and he works for the government. Right. Best make a difference from inside the government.

We get lumped in with statist and elitist-minded people who feel they know what's best for the masses, and he feels like he gets punished for speaking out for trying to promote transparency. What is his job, can I ask?

He's in the Department of Defense. Oh, wow. Okay. Well, first and foremost, he has to always act with integrity and understand that there's a lot of good people within the FBI and the Department of Defense that are being told to do bad things. So hopefully we'll have a new president soon.

in two weeks and then eventually in January that will, for example, in the DOD, it's insane that we have this DEI transgender nonsense in the military. The military should be about defeating our enemies and keeping the American people safe, not as a social experiment of all the crazy looney tune ideas that we've seen.

Without specific advice, I would try to have him ascend as far as he can, keep his values, and always have fidelity to the country, not the government. And those are two different things. He must always have loyalty to the United States of America, not just the federal government. Say hi to your dad for me, and God bless him. Thank you very much. Thank you. If you guys disagree, you can make your way to the front of the line. Who wants a hat, by the way? Who doesn't have a hat? You made it like one quarter of the way. Throwing the ball like Quinn Ears up here. Jeez.

That's okay. All right. Flew the ball like Jalen Milrow, okay? Hi. So my question is regarding the mass deportation that Donald Trump is trying to enforce if he is elected as president. And my question is, do you think this mass deportation is fair? And if you do, why? Yes, of course I do. And first and foremost, we'll start with the people that committed crimes while they're here, DUIs, murders, rapes, so on and so forth. So let me give you one very simple example that is emotional, but it is personal, and it is local. The killer of Lake and Riley...

should be deported and should be put in a foreign prison, not an American prison. Now, I will admit, not everyone who's coming here illegally is like the killer of Lake and Riley, of course, but that is a very personal example of a UGA student that was...

Just you guys know the situation. OK. And to be very clear, if Donald Trump was president, Lake and Riley would be alive today. That was an unnecessary killing. That was completely because of open border policy. But if your first act into a country is to break a country's laws of which illegal immigration is and the illegal people coming in the country are, then we have every right to repel them and to send them back to their country of origin.

Do you think this massive rotation will negatively affect the U.S. economy? I actually think it will positively affect the U.S. economy. I think that what it will do is, number one, you guys will have less people to compete for for housing prices. So one of the reasons why housing is going up is because in supply and demand, if you have 10 million new people, they have to live somewhere.

And when you have to live somewhere, then all of a sudden you have more people going after a finite good. Simple law of supply and demand. This is why sand is cheap and diamonds are expensive is because when you have a surplus of something or a finite supply of something, prices will go up. Or if you have a surplus, prices will go down. So I think housing prices will stabilize as part of that. There probably will be some speed bumps on the road in manual labor. But honestly, what you'll see then is wages will go up.

And wages will go up for American workers. And, you know, specifically the population that will be benefited by this is working class voters of all races, but specifically Latino and black Americans that work with their hands that currently are having their wages undercut by individuals that break the break the law, come to southern border and then destabilize their their working wage.

Well, I disagree because if you already know, illegal immigrants make up 20% of the labor force in the United States, and they pay over $100 billion in taxes, but they receive almost no benefits from the taxes that they pay from. So I believe...

The wages won't necessarily go up. If anything, they'll probably go down because people are now fighting for more degree-based... Yeah, so first of all, I don't expect you to know this, but they, of course, do receive benefits. For example, they show up at a hospital, they'll receive care. They receive police support. They go to local schools, right? So they send their kids to local social services. Additionally, they get money from the federal government as well, food stamp assistance, Medicaid, so on and so forth, that has now been expanded to even illegal immigrants. So that's not totally true. Secondly, though...

They're still here on our terms. So you have to, we just might have a difference of what, how a country should be constituted. One of the reasons I support Trump is that a fundamental premise of how a country should exist is that the citizen should be able to determine who comes in their country and that we actually have a say in elections of whether or not

It's too much, too little, not enough, or whatever it is. It's obviously too much right now. It's unsustainable. It is then making our lives worse. And I'm not saying this is just because of illegal migration, but it's partially everybody in this audience right now, you are the first generation since George Washington to have life worse off than your parents.

You're the most depressed, sick, anxious, medicated, alcohol addicted, and poor generation per capita in modern American history. And just a very simple rule, and again, this ties into illegal immigration but not specifically, is that if you are getting routinely poor year over year, you should fire your leaders and put leaders back in charge that we're actually making life better and we're getting richer and be able to own homes. So, yes. And then finally, I'll just say this.

Of course they contribute to some jobs in the economy. That's not the point. The point is that those should go to Native Americans, Native American jobs or even Native Americans too, but American-born jobs, not illegal migrant labor that cut in line and then basically said to the entire immigration system, so bad, it's too bad. Who here is a first-generation immigrant or a son or daughter of? So can I ask you a question? Did your parents come here the right way?

Yes. Okay. No, no, no. This is important. So your parents came the right way and your parents should be applauded for following the rules and coming here the right way. Do you know who it's an insult to? Your parents that other people can just cut in line and border jump into our country and basically tell your parents, oh, sorry that you filled out all the paperwork and you waited in line. We can just then do

do an act of injustice. So I'm actually on your parents' side here. I want more people to follow the law and come in here legally. I do not want a mass illegal immigration invasion of the country. Does that make sense? Let me ask a question. Do you think our country is going in the right direction or does it feel like everything is falling apart? If you're feeling alarmed, you're not alone. In fact, Americans from all walks of life have taken action to prepare for whatever is coming next. And that starts with an emergency food supply.

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I have one relating to immigration as well. Do you think through this mass deportation that Donald Trump is trying to enforce, do you think it is fair that he wants to deport back all the Venezuelan people who just came back, who just came from Venezuela? And I understand the news has made this prejudice that Venezuelans are criminals, they're killers. I absolutely understand. I agree for the young girl that was killed here. But people do not realize how bad the safety and economic state is now

Venezuela is right now. They just reelected Nicolás Maduro, and he is one of the worst presidents in Latin American history. Yeah, again, so in order for them to come, they'd have to come the right and legal way. Now, the Venezuelans, some have actually applied for asylum and were granted asylum through legal methods. That's a separate discussion. I think we're too generous in that way. Others decide to just enter through the southern border. Here's the thing.

You have to return to your country of origin, and then we can get our own house together. And let me just kind of put this differently. We can open up our arms again once our young people, you guys, can own homes and have a life as good as your parents. Then we can start thinking about letting in all the other world's problems. Until then, we have an obligation to fulfill the mandate so that you guys can have the same life and access to the American dream that your parents had. Thank you very much.

So first off, I just want to say I'm a huge fan, been following you for a while, so I feel really privileged to be able to meet you in person. So my question relates to the politicization of educational institutions, specifically majors like art, writing, education, political science. And I think these things are really important, but I feel like

The political skew of those institutions is towards the left, and I think that's turning away a lot of really smart, talented people who could do some good things. So my question is, do you share my fear that the political capture of these institutions is turning away smart people? Absolutely. What are you studying, art? Are you studying something that way? I'm studying mechanical engineering. Yeah, well, first of all, good for you. You're going to make more than most of the people in this audience, by the way.

So you're a very smart young lady here. Yes, first of all, this is what's so wrong. I'm sure there's someone studying art in the audience here or someone like that. And we need more conservative artists and people in the arts that are conservative. But it is so hostile towards our worldview. I'm guessing engineering is okay. Maybe, maybe not. I think the liberals haven't penetrated engineering yet. Good. That's good. Don't let them in. Build the wall and build it high and deport them if they come. Okay? So...

But yes, and by the way, they will come because they've come in other schools. But yes, look, here's the problem. Let's just take theater, for example. Not exactly something I'm that passionate about, but I think it's a beautiful thing. I mean, they're not even teaching Shakespeare in many theater classes anymore because he was a racist white male, apparently, that lived in like the Victorian era. Like you cannot fundamentally understand the English language, let alone theater, if you don't study Shakespeare.

And so I think what it's what we're doing is we're slowly committing suicide against the foundational roots of our country that created this a beautiful, prosperous way. I'm just that's one example of many. And so my my my advice for people is fight for what is good, true and beautiful. It might make you you might make your argument unpopular. But we as conservatives look around. There's far more of you than people would ever believe on campuses like this. And so the problem is the liberals are just louder.

Just because the liberals are louder doesn't mean they outnumber you. So it's time for us to raise our voice as well. Thank you so much. God bless you. One last question. Is it our responsibility to take back the original institutions or should we be creating separate institutions? I think it's time to create new ones. It's very hard to take back what is already captured. Not impossible. It's easier to build new than liberate what is captured. Go Dawgs. Yes. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Hey, Charlie. I'm glad you're here. I like what you do. Previously, I watched a clip of you answering a young man's concerns about the Trump campaign and immigration. Yes, so I'm happy to address that. I had a feeling you were going to ask that because you're, you know... Oh, well, yeah, thank you. Yeah. In that, you refused to answer his question to reconcile the Trump campaign's changed position on mass immigration and instead deflected that he is a lesser to evil. No, actually, that's not how I answered it. So the entire clip was this. I said that it's actually not his position. I'd like to...

No, I know. Because this is a thing. You guys come read your phones and try to tell people not to vote for Trump, right? No. Okay, are you voting for Trump? No, I'm saying I'm asking you a question specifically. Are you voting for Trump? I can. Are you? Yeah, sure. Why not? Okay, great. So then what's the question? The question is, how do you reconcile this changed position? It's not changed. He has said repeatedly. He did not support H-1B visas in 2016. That is a fact.

No, no. Again, he has said that's not his position anymore. That is exactly his position. Let me just tell you my – why don't you tell you – I'll tell you my position, OK? I think that we should have a moratorium on immigration, legal and illegal, until the livelihood of everyone in this audience is on par with their parents. That is my position. That's great. And I hope that Donald Trump will enforce that policy when he is president. He has said that that is his position and that he said over the summer something that he has then since corrected. We can agree to disagree on that. That is not true. However, I will say this. Let's pretend that you're even correct on it.

The positives far outweigh the negatives of Donald Trump's presidency when it comes to stopping illegal immigration, greatest deportation effort in history, stopping World War III, rising wages, booming economy. Hold on, I'm not done. Great Supreme Court justices. You interrupted me. You started this whole tirade interrupting me. Great circuit court judges.

Hold on. And allowing Americans, young Americans in particular, to have booming wages, a better future for them and their family, and also making sure that another 10 million people do not invade this country and that we have sovereignty, that we have borders, and a unified American story. Is that compelling enough for you to vote for Trump? Yes, sure. But that's not my question. Okay. My question is not about Trump. It's how do you reconcile these changed positions? Will you at least acknowledge that there is a changed position? No, it's not a changed position. There is. It exactly is.

Okay, we're just going to keep talking past each other then because it's not – but that's fine. You're not even answering my question. You just said here's why you should vote for Trump. Like, yeah, that's not the argument. I said it's not a changed position. Yeah, and you're wrong. Trump supported ending the H-1B visa program. I'm saying you are wrong on this. Okay, but again, so we can keep on talking past each other. That's not a free – Yeah, that's called debate. Well, no, talking past each other is not a – are we debating or is – no, we're not actually. The audience would agree. It's called prove me wrong.

Thank you very much. Next question. Thank you.

I won't need my phone because I don't have any talking points to go over. So based on your point a minute ago that basically we're the silent majority and that they're louder than us, why is it that they are louder than us and why aren't we allowed to be more vocal without feeling that we're going to be canceled or...

You get the point. I mean, it's time for us to be more vocal. That's why we're doing this, is that our value system is the majority value system of this country. The majority of Americans do not believe that men can give birth. They believe in borders. They do not think Kamala Harris is equipped or qualified to run the country. They believe Trump was a great president. They want the economy to be robust and productive for all people.

And so, yes, I mean, our value system and our worldview is in the predominant portion of the country. We have been taught to be terrified as conservatives because the left is willing to use political and cultural power to punish us. And this is why we this is why the victory of Donald Trump will go down if he is to win, which I hope he does, as one of the greatest political victories in American history after everything they have done to try to silence him.

from 700 years in federal prison, from multiple impeachments, from even two assassination attempts and being shot where he said, fight, fight, fight. This movement will not be silenced and will not be stopped. And it is an emergent movement against the left-wing orthodoxy and domination of our culture that we conservatives actually outnumber the left in this country. Yeah, I completely agree with you. I think we need to speak up so we can take back our country. Amen. Thank you so much. Appreciate it.

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I have a question. Is your thesis here, your point in being here to convince us as Georgians to vote Republican up and down the ballot? Yeah, just repeat it. It's okay. His question was, do I want you to vote up and down the ballot Republican? Yes, but primarily here to obviously promote the candidacy of Donald Trump and hear what other people have to say. Okay. Could you give a comprehensive reason why? For Donald Trump? Yes. Yeah, three reasons. I guess you want to buy a home in your life, right?

Yeah, so when Donald Trump was president, it required $75,000 a year for you to be able to own a home in this country. Now under Kamala Harris, it requires $135,000 a year, and that's just a four-year increase. You guys are becoming quickly a nation of renters. Number two, we are quickly stumbling into World War III. Not an exaggeration. Kamala Harris is surrounding herself with neocons everywhere.

and warmongers, the number one of which is Liz Cheney, where she's now going on this tour where she's talking about we must defend democracy abroad. These are the architects of the Iraq War and the Afghanistan War, and you guys are the ones that are going to have to be drafted into World War III if Kamala Harris gets her way. Number three is the border. Border crossings were at an all-time low under Donald Trump. He has a comprehensive plan to stop the illegal invasion of this country. Kamala Harris has allowed 10 million people in the country, and she'll easily allow another 20 to 30 million people.

And that's just the also Donald Trump, no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax on Social Security. Drill, baby, drill. No men and women's sports. Obviously, secure the border and the Russian-Ukrainian war. And that's all just within the first couple hours. And do you think there would be any positives to a Harris administration or any negatives to a second Trump administration? I mean, the only positive of the Harris administration is people would see how bad things could get, which I hope we don't have to live through that. I hope we don't have to live through our version of the Soviet Union.

And a question, because I saw you ask a similar question to a student. Is Vivek Ramaswamy a Christian? He is not. He is a Hindu ethical monotheist. Is Tulsi Gabbard a Christian? No. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. I'm a Christian, though, and Jesus Christ is king.

Hey, Charlie. So I feel like this isn't talked about enough, but with the general media becoming more and more polarized, tailoring information to push their own agendas, what other mediums can voters rely on to educate themselves? Well, of course you can watch the Charlie Kirk show, which I think is a great source of information. Look, I love Matt Walsh's show. I think he does a great job. I love Megyn Kelly's show. I love Tucker Carlson's podcast. Who loves Tucker Carlson? Isn't he great? Stop watching. You guys don't watch cable news. Listen to podcasts.

social media, we guys, one of the reasons why the country's becoming more right wing is because the left cannot compete in the marketplace of ideas. So as we are now gravitating towards an internet consumption era, our podcasts are more popular, our social media channels are more popular, and our ideas are better. And we win when both sides are given a fair hearing. So those are just a couple of suggestions for you. Thank you. Thank you. Just a reminder, if you guys disagree, try to work your way to the front of the line. And yes.

Hi. Good question so far. Okay. So my name is Zach, and I feel like 10 years ago when I was in elementary and middle school, I feel like I saw zero pride flags, zero any LGBTQ movement, but I feel like I see so many pictures over social media that it's just all over classrooms. I know Rhonda Santos in Florida made a good idea to completely ban it. So do you think that stemmed from specifically COVID, or do you think that dates all the way back to the Obama administration, and how do you think Trump will –

Well, yeah, let's just be clear, especially in K-12 education, primarily through minors, there should be no transgender sexual curriculum for 8-, 9-, and 10-year-olds in the schools of this country, period. Thank you.

And that has no place. Now, obviously, we believe in freedom of expression. If you want to put a pride flag on your dorm room, knock yourself out, right? But you're an adult. You have the agency to do that. What we're talking about, though, is explicit sexual programming for minors that are in a place where their parents should be presenting their topics to them, and at the very least, the school should be doing something in a neutral way. Where did this come from? Honestly, part of this, though, is trying to fill the void of an identity crisis we have in the country right now. As I mentioned, we have the most depressed families.

suicidal, alcohol addicted and sick generation in history. The most anxious generation in history. And one thing that the LGBTQI+ movement does, I think I got it all. Did I get it all? Did I forget one? Did I forget two? I think it's LGBTQ2, right? Or IA2? It's ridiculous.

is they make you feel part of something bigger than yourself and that you can identify. As America has become less religious, specifically as America has become less Christian, our young people need to fill that void with something, and that movement is an attachment for a lot of young people that feel as if they're socially outcast and not part of the group. And I kind of, going off on that, based on the Christian, I'm a big Christian too, Jesus is King, so...

How do we... I know there's a lot of pressure. When people wear... I feel like when people wear a cross or say, oh, there's only two genders, they get... I don't want to say expelled, but they'll get suspended. But when someone... That's also a freedom of expression. So how do we go back...

I feel like 15 years ago, that just didn't exist. If you're an adult on UGA, you should be able to wear the shirt of your choosing. We're talking more about curriculum. For example, I can't imagine there is a professor who teaches that Jesus is king at University of New York.

Is that right? Maybe, maybe not. They might have that viewpoint, but they're teaching specific curriculum, and that is the violation of viewpoint neutrality of how the classroom should operate. But we must support freedom of expression. It's a bedrock pillar of our country. Appreciate it. Thank you so much. If you guys disagree, you can come to the front of the line. And here's my Make America Golf Again guy. He just wants to hang out here. He just wants to promote his golf thing. All right. Hi, Charlie. Hello. My name is Jacob. I'm 22.

I came all the way down from Canada just to... A refugee from a communist country. Give it up for him, everybody. What province? Quebec. Quebec. Okay, you speak French? Yeah, a little bit. I don't. No? All right. Yeah, I just want to say, I just want to make a quick statement real quick. So I just want to let everyone look back at Canada and see what... If you vote for a Democrat, that's what the U.S. is going to end up like. And...

Just vote for Trump. Trump is your savior, and Trump is our savior as well. Well, Jesus is our savior. Trump is our solution politically. We just have to be clear, okay? Yeah, facts. All right. Sorry, I had to cut you off there. But just really quick, how bad is it in Canada? Honestly, it's as bad as it's going to be if Kamala is elected. So I say high gas, high home prices. Do you have freedom of speech? No. Everything, well...

To a certain extent, the media is controlled. CBC, right? Yeah. Canadian Broadcast Corporation. Which people say is even worse than CNN here, which is amazing. God bless you. We need everyone to hear the warnings from unfree countries that we can remain a free country. God bless you, man. God bless Canada. Thank you.

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Hey Charlie, how's it going? Hey, we got the Harris Wall sticker. Welcome up. Real quick, I just want to say that I heavily agree with what you said about neutrality in the classroom. I think that's a brilliant standpoint, and I, as an ed major, I agree with that. Before I get to, like, the nitty gritty, go Dawgs, horns down. Anybody? Anybody?

Yeah? Yeah? We can agree. We should just stop. We agreed way too much. You're creeping me out, man. My bad, my bad, my bad, my bad. So I'm going to talk about some gun control stuff. Do you mind if I give you some statistics first? Yeah, fine. All right, awesome. So in the United Kingdom, there was the Dunblane Massacre on March 13, 1996. It was a school shooting. 17 people were killed. 15 were injured.

Following that massacre, it is probably the biggest massacre in UK history, involving schools specifically, there was a ban on all handguns. Since then, there's been no school shootings in the UK, and it averages 28 firearm homicides a year.

In United States, there are 39,707 gun deaths in 2019 alone, the average of one gun-related death every 11 minutes. In 2023, there were 346 school shooting incidents in the U.S. So far, there have been 385 mass shootings in 2024, and a mass shooting is defined as an incident in which four or more people are injured or killed. Why are you pro-Second Amendment, and can you give me your stance on that? Great. So I just want to make sure I can know where you're coming from. Do you believe owning a firearm is a right or a privilege? I believe it's a privilege. I'm going to go with that. Okay.

Okay, so then you do not believe in the Second Amendment as it is written? No. I believe it needs to be amended. I believe in a ban for guns. Okay, so that's where we disagree, and that's okay. We have clarity but not agreement. I believe that the right to protect yourself and your family against a tyrannical government or a home invader is an inalienable right that must be protected and that no one can take it away. Thank you.

Now, let's just – and that's okay. We have clarity on that. Now, let's go through why I believe that and also some clarifying statistics. Everything you said is true, but one part of it is misleading, is that, yes, there are about 30,000 gun deaths a year or death by firearm, but two-thirds of them are death by suicide. Yes. Right? So it's a little misleading to say 30,000 or even every 11 minutes, and –

So there's some people that say, well, it's easier to commit suicide if you have a gun in the house. You and I would both agree, though, that if someone is committing suicide with a firearm, there's other underlying issues. The firearm is secondary. Okay, so that's a reason. Thank you for agreeing with that. Okay. So, therefore, that gives you about 10,000 gun deaths a year. The vast majority of those are gang-related in about 10 cities across the country. I'm not excusing it, but there's other underlying factors associated with it. Now, let's get into what our position is, those of us that believe in the Second Amendment. Okay.

We fully acknowledge that when you have liberty, that you're going to have sometimes undesirable outcomes. For example, there are 50,000 people a year that die in auto fatalities, and it's tragic. However, no reasonable person would come up to the mic and say, let's ban driving. True. The one thing I disagree with, though, is that the primary intention of a firearm is to kill something. Well, not necessarily. That's interesting. The primary intention of a firearm is actually to protect what you love.

I disagree with that, but... That's okay. Actually, the firearm is a technology or a tool that is actually intention neutral. So a firearm could be used for sharpshooting or it could be used for a massacre. No different than a kitchen knife can be used for a beautiful...

a beautiful meal or to murder somebody. So it's a piece of technology. Albeit it makes killing easier, but it in itself is not inherently what you might think it is. Now let me just finish the point though, is that we as enthusiasts for the Second Amendment acknowledge that in a free society, people are going to do bad things and dumb things. But there is a price to liberty. And this is a mature...

viewpoint that we lost during COVID. During COVID, as a country, we said, we don't want liberty, we want safety. And everybody stay at home 15 days to slow the spread. And how many of you guys wanted the lockdowns to end after like two weeks, right? And so what we get at, though, with firearms is that we acknowledge that there will be unnecessary deaths,

We acknowledge that we want to try to limit those. We could talk about that. But in a culture that believes that owning a firearm is a right, not a privilege, our goal should be about limiting the suffering, but acknowledging that you're not going to get rid of it completely. It's a different viewpoint than the European model. The final point I'll say is why do you think we believe it's a right? It's because we believe that, God forbid, if the government ever becomes tyrannical, we need an ability to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government. Mm-hmm.

So please, your thoughts on this. Yes, absolutely. So there's two things I want to touch on. The first is being the context of the Second Amendment during its creation. Obviously, the Constitution was written in 1776. It was 1787, and the Bill of Rights was 1791, but that's okay. Anyways, so back then, the average, like an experienced shooter on a musket could fire three shots a minute. On average, it took...

30 seconds to fire one shot. Modern day AR-15s, traditionally, you know, if it's a stock model, holds about 30 rounds in a magazine. Now, you can customize that and make it carry more, sure. But the staggering statistic is that these AR-15s can empty this 30-round magazine in five seconds is the possibility. That's totally correct. The question is what was the founder's intent to do that?

When they put the Second Amendment, for example, to play out, and I'm not trying to pick on you, but for example, you say the founders only want or thought that, okay, musket Second Amendment. Did they only think First Amendment, you know, parchment and paper, not Twitter? I'm sorry, can you rephrase? If the Second Amendment was only intended to cover muskets, is the First Amendment only intended to cover letter writing, not talk on the Internet?

That's a good point. But here's the thing. Meaning these principles transcend technology. Yeah. And that's where we come from, is that you have a First Amendment right whether you're speaking freely on a message board or if you're just talking like the Founding Fathers would. You have a Second Amendment right whether it's a musket or whether it's an AR-15. Because the principle and the truth that undergirds it – and I'll let you in in a second – Yeah, for sure. Is transcendent above the technology. So –

I'm going to use your logic a little bit. When the Constitution was written, slaves existed in the United States, and that was amended and added to the Constitution when we freed the slaves. Same with women. We gave them the right to vote. So I don't understand why – I mean it feels like it's a little bit of cherry-picking going on because the Constitution is constantly evolving and changing. But hold on. The First and Second Amendment have never changed. Does that mean they can't?

We have a ratification process. Well, of course they can, but we think it shouldn't, and the fact that it hasn't is noteworthy. So, for example, we tried abolition of alcohol, the country didn't want it, and we got rid of it very quickly. So we've added amendments and gotten rid of them. Why has the First Amendment...

stood the test of time because we believe as conservatives the Constitution was not written for the times but stand the test of time why because it was written to analyze human nature and this is where leftists and conservatives would disagree we think human nature is consistent over time whereas leftists think that you're a creature of your environment and human nature changes based on the nuances and the complexities around you so for example we believe that the right to be able to petition your government and speak

is something that is eternal and should never change. Does that make sense? Yeah, and when you refer to the First Amendment, are you talking about the right to speak freely or are you talking about the right to religion? Well, both. So there's two parts of the First Amendment, the Free Expression Clause and the Establishment Clause. So it is – you basically have the right to petition your government for grievances or redresses, and the government shall not create basically a state-run religion or the free exercise thereof. That is the original wording of the First Amendment.

So can I ask you how, you know, if the government cannot create a national or state-run religion, when we have justices like Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas who is making calls based off his Catholic beliefs, how is that not a violation of separation of church and state? Well, so again, so first of all, separation of church and state is not in the First Amendment. You're gleaning that out of it.

So that's actually a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1803 to the Danbury Baptist Convention assuring the Baptists that the government would not come after them. So you're insinuating that that is the subtext of it. However, the Warren Court resurrected that letter and said it's separation of church and state. However, you would agree that we can never have separation of conscious or morality of state, right?

Can you go – can you elaborate? For example, you have somebody who's an officeholder. The values that undergird them are going to be reflected in their decisions, of course. Absolutely. Yes. So that's what's happening with Clarence Thomas. Yes. No different than Joe Biden's Catholic values are what's representing his open border policy. Yes. And speaking on the overturn of Roe v. Wade, when Clarence Thomas did – he voted in favor to overturn that –

Sure, you can use that argument there. But when it comes to him calling for the court to re-evaluate same-sex marriage and things like that, contraception rights, can you tell me what kind of economic impact either of those things have on it? It seems like a very religious standpoint. I don't want to get too deep in the weeds here. However, you'll never have separation of morality and state. And you've come up here in great faith, and I want to compliment you on that. You are wearing a Harris Wall sticker. Just one question. Can you tell me her greatest accomplishment?

Absolutely. So I think that Biden-Harris administration was in an unfortunate position when they came into office. It was, you know, around the height of the COVID pandemic. And I wish I had exact numbers for you right now. I should have done more research on that. But the inflation rate has gone down since the height of COVID to now. And Donald Trump's, he has one of his biggest policies imposing tariffs, right? Does anyone have the numbers? Well, first of all, let me just ask, do you guys feel inflation has come down at all?

So, and it's okay. So this is important. I'm not picking on you. But this is the problem with just overly studying what the economists say. The American people don't buy this garbage because they're feeling the pain every single day. And I just want to say that

Again, I'm just asking, what is her greatest accomplishment, though? Sure. So in terms of her being the vice president, I'm willing to be critical of Kamala Harris, by the way. I think that there are – there's not a lot of incredible policies that she's put into place. I know that Donald Trump has been able to call into the House and turn down some bills involving the border. But I will say why I want to vote for Harris for president is

Because she has promised things like the child tax credit. And it seems like to me she's trying to do things in order to support these young mothers that are being forced into this scenario to give birth to children that they can't either support or they weren't ready for or they don't want. So the overturn of Roe v. Wade might ban abortions. And it's about what can we do since –

Georgia, for example, up until Amber Thurman had a total ban on abortion. What can we do to support those mothers if we're going to ban abortion? Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.