Charlie Kirk vs. Karl Marx: Prove Me Wrong at Oregon St. University
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Okay, so I was just going to ask. I've noticed that Trump especially, but also just the Republican Party in general, talks about immigrants as if they're these incredibly violent criminal people that they're bringing crime, they're bringing disorder. Why is this something that keeps being talked about when if you actually look at the data,

immigrants commit crime at a lower rate than natives. Like this has been, like, this is a very repeated result. Yeah, but not illegals though. So that's, the study was done on all immigrants, the ones that are vetted that come on H-1B visas. No, even the ones that are done on illegals. Not true. You know why? Because we don't know how many are in the country. We don't know who they are. No, no, but we... So how can you study something when you don't know how many are in the country and don't know who they are? I actually do know because I've read the studies. Oh, how many illegals are in the country? No, no, no. I'm saying like,

No, no, tell me. No sense you know. How many illegals are on the contrary? No, I was saying I know how you study it. What you do is you look at people who are incarcerated and you figure out are they illegal or not. Okay, so first of all, half of all crimes are not even enforced, let alone people arrested for. Half of all murders in Chicago are unsolved.

So how do you know who's doing the crime if you're not even solving the murders, let alone... In Portland, what percentage of carjackings result in arrest? To be clear... No, no, no. In Portland, it's a laugh. What percentage of carjackings result in arrest in Portland? So, like, you... No, no, no. Answer the question. Like...

Like, I don't know off the top of my head. Less than 5%. So how can you know who's doing the crime if no one's getting arrested for the crime? Because people are getting arrested at roughly the same rates across, like... Wait, hold on. No, no. Answer the question. If we... I'm debating him. The other white dude, Ferris, can come back in a second. No, but...

But first of all, how many people, we know the answer to this, how many people are currently in jail that came across illegally under Joe Biden for murder? So I don't know off the top of my head. 13,000 murderers. Well, wow. Okay. So that's a really big number. Yeah, it is. You know what matters? Percentages. Okay. So how many people illegally came under Joe Biden across the border? That's not like the question. No, I'm going to show you the percentage. No, I'm doing the math. So tell me. What does this have to do with the rate of like the criminality between the two populations? I'm explaining to you the rate. I'm actually going to do the math for you.

Okay, explain. Yeah, so how many people came across the border under Joe Biden? I don't know off the top of my head. Yeah, we don't know either. It's roughly 10 million. Okay? Okay. So you have 13,000 murderers out of 10 million. That is almost double the national murder rate of American citizens. Double.

So, OK, so you think that every single not every single. OK, there was also 15000 rapists and 120,000 other convicted murderers. Not every illegal immigrant in the US came under came under Joe Biden. This is a crazy methodology. No, but about 25 million of them did. But this is an interesting question. Do you think it's a crime to break into a country?

I mean, like, yes, but that's not the crime you're talking about. No, no, no, hold on. This is important. So they're all criminals by definition. But that's not the crime you're talking about. When you're saying... We're talking about additive crime. But no, this is important. But it's a complete misdirection. They are criminals by definition because they broke into the country. Okay, wow. Then, like, if you sped, you're a criminal. Like, I don't know what the point that you're trying to make is.

By definition, the people that broke into the country are all felons. But, like, what you're... But when you say, like, they're criminals, they're, like, raping people, they're murdering people... Many are. You're not talking about... You're not... Like, you can't just retreat to say, oh, well, they all broke the law by breaking in. That's not what you're saying. Like, the original...

No, but the rate is much higher. Your study is completely flawed. For example, go to Aurora, Colorado. They've taken over... Alex Nolhouser, the Cato Institute, one of the most conservative think tanks in the entire country. Hold on. Cato is not a conservative institute. That is an open-border libertarian think tank that does not want solid borders. But let's talk about the examples. Are you willing to say that it's okay, even if, let's say, their climate is lower?

to the families of lake and riley and rachel moran these women that are raped and murdered by foreigners one murder is too much for an unwelcome person in our country that doesn't one yes it actually does make sense because they're not coming on our terms are you gonna let me talk you're gonna keep interrupting no no but tell me why it makes sense why even one murder is okay when they were never welcome it's like saying well they're in our living room they raped my wife but it's like it's it's lower than the national rape rate so i guess it's fine because if

if you have a population that comes in that commits less crime than the native population, it actually lowers the likelihood of a native being aggressed upon because, you know, immigrants are victims of crime too and they're often more vulnerable than natives. So it's actually, like, in a certain sense, like, they're actually protecting natives.

They're not immigrants. They're border jumpers and line cutters. Oh, sorry. Illegal immigrants. Whatever you want to call them. I don't care. But that population is far more violent than the native population. So you're just getting to the point then, right? More violent than the native population.

So it is about the right. It isn't. So the thing you said about like how only if one crime is committed by an illegal. No, I granted I said, let's pretend you're right under the moral standpoint of how a country should enforce its laws.

Even one crime is too much. If a population is coming in and it is lowering the likelihood of the citizens of that country to have like a criminal act committed upon them, then I think that let's try to find some common ground. I want to know where you're coming from on this. So cities that have absorbed a lot of illegals would be Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, L.A. You agree.

Yeah, but when we do this, we actually... Do you think those cities have become safer in the last four years? Excuse me. If you want to answer this question, we have economists for this. And economists have looked at this and find that generally when immigrants come into a city, it lowers the crime rate. Again, this is what's so important. I don't trust these experts. Okay, so you're just doing napkin math? No, no, no. I can name a couple cities that got safer. This is what I trust. Do you guys feel safe in Portland? No!

That's who I trust, not the economists. The wisdom of the population and the voters of this country, not a bunch of economists at Oregon State University that are publishing white papers. Okay, so... Has Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, and L.A., do you guys feel safer or less safe than when you were kids? Less safe!

And yet they're absorbing more illegals. They're not making the cities better, actually. They're making them more dangerous. And they're making them dirtier. I could come up with a million just-so stories just like you did. I could say, like, oh, well, like, Corvallis has absorbed some immigrants, and it's very safe here. That doesn't prove anything. Is Corvallis really safe? I didn't know that, actually. Yes.

Do you guys feel safe here in Corvallis? I mean, you can look at the stats, or you can just appeal to the crowd. Like, I don't know. But hold on. Appealing to the crowd is important because the wisdom on the shared lived experience of a people... Oh, lived experience now? So is that something you care about? I thought that lived experience was like liberal bulls**t that like, you know... No. Okay, so... I mean...

Yeah, I mean, but when the lived experience also harmonizes with data, which it does... It doesn't, though. But, again, I've already gone through the data thing, and you have a study... You haven't given me data. You haven't decided a study. All you've done is name four cities and said, like, these cities have gotten more dangerous. You know why I did that? Why? Because everyone can appeal to that outside of you publishing some flawed study or me putting a study that you will not trust. I could show you five studies that are done. Which ones?

But for the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the 10 year study over illegal crime wave, like I could send you study after study. Not helpful. I literally just did. OK, there was also an immigration customs report, a enforcement report done by the House Republicans last month that shows the illegal crime crime wave. But that's not me persuasive to you. What might be persuasive is to get down to us an experience that you have that no one in this audience feels safe walking in Portland at night.

And yet, do you guys feel safe walking at Portland at night? No, but that, you do? You feel safe? Yeah.

You do? Oh, wow. It's amazing. So the Center for Immigration Studies, which is a conservative think tank, they're the only people who've published a report that actually attempted to look at what the difference in the rate was. Not just some ecological study. But let me ask you, do you think that we have too many people coming into the country?

Like, what does this have to do with my question? No, I'm just curious where you're coming from. Do you think we have too many people coming into the country? I think we have too many people coming in illegally. I think we should have more people coming in legally. Okay, well, we can agree on the first part.

Well, yeah, but, like, do you at least agree that legal immigrants commit less crime than natives? Well, some of them do. Yes, according to the study you're talking about is that higher educated legal immigrants, according to that study, the study you're saying is correct in that regard, but it does not include the illegal population in there. If you correct for education, if you correct for any of those, at every single different, like, strata, immigrants commit less crime than their native equivalents. It is true that, like, part of that is because, like...

legal immigrants tend to be more educated than the native population. That's correct. That's what I was saying. But it is also true that more educated legal immigrants also commit less crime than more educated Americans. In the same way that less educated legal immigrants also commit less crime than uneducated native-born Americans.

Okay, we're not going to agree, but the more you look into the migrant crime wave that is legitimately happening in Aurora, Colorado, in Charlevoix, Pennsylvania... Well, it sounds like I don't need to look into it, because all I have to do is turn around, say to the crowd, hey, like, the immigrants are fucking us. I just gave you five studies. Go look at the bipartisan report done by Congress about how crime has gone up as a result of illegal immigration happening on the southern border. You can go look that up.

whenever you want, okay? And you go look and read through the actual elements of data when it talks to illegals that are coming into this country. Can you explain to me the data in that report that makes you think that... I don't have it in front of me, man. Like, I have a lot of information up here, but not that, okay? So the essence was this, is that the more illegals that you have coming into your country, the higher the crime rate, especially in counties like Springfield, Ohio, which were actually legal, or Charlotte Way, Pennsylvania, and others, they are eating the dogs. Actually, the cats, not the dogs. But, um...

Got to be clear that those counties experience an uptick in crime, DUIs, so on and so forth. You can look at that study yourself and come back and tell me what you think. OK, well, like, but I've already looked at studies and I've asked you. I'm going to go to the next question. What's not fruitful is you have a study, I have a study. What is fruitful is trying to find agreed upon lived experience the audience have. And I will get back to my point. Our cities are more dangerous than ever before. People don't feel safe in them.

And that is an objective definition. Something we're doing is not working. And the more people we bring into the country is certainly not helping. So I just want to clarify that what's objective is asking people how they feel. And what's not objective is asking is FBI crime statistics. I just want to clarify. No, both can be objective. But what is very helpful in a venue like this, because we don't have printed out studies is.

is trying to appeal to people where all of a sudden people get like, you know what, yeah, Portland is super unsafe. I wonder why that is. Maybe something they're doing isn't working. If that's how we're making decisions, if we're just appealing to people and asking them based on vibes how they feel about like, it's like, that's a horrible way to do public policy. But you're talking down to the audience. I'm actually hearing their concerns and trying to formulate public policy that will fit them and their needs, wants, or interests. Do you think any of those studies might be flawed, by the way? Like,

Which one specifically? Like Cato. Do you think Cato has an ideological agenda when it comes to immigration? Yes, but I've actually read the conversation between Cato and the Center for Immigration Studies report. I can actually have it here. I want to get to the next question. Yeah, but I've looked at the methodology, and I think Cato's is better, straight up. Okay, great. Thank you very much. Great.

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How's it going, Charlie? I love the show. I listen all the time. No joke. I've been listening to about five to ten hours a week of conservative talk radio since the summer of 2008.

Yeah, that's just as a fun, I just, you know, there was something going on in the summer of 2008. I can't remember. This new lady was breaking out onto the scene. Big conservative star. Is she still in the party? She was a governor of Alaska. I can't remember her name. Hold on. Sarah, Sarah something. No, no, anyway, no, my question is really quick. I just, I'll be really brief. I would love it if you could just name two black Republican senators.

Well, there is one that I know of, Tim Scott. Can you name a second one? I'm not sure there is a second. Maybe you could correct me if I'm wrong. No, there's not. No, there's not. Yeah, so it's a trick question. How about this? Can you name me the only black Supreme Court justice? Actually, there's two of them. Well, it's not a trick question. It's a question to try to prove a point. So other than Byron Donalds, can you name another black Republican congressperson?

Yeah, Wesley Hunt. Okay, do you know what the percentage of black Republican representation in the Republican side of Congress is? Do you know what that number is? It's not very high. It's not very high. No, it's about a fraction of a fraction of a single percent. Okay, that's interesting. No, but I'm curious, because I've heard you in other videos. You say, what's the total black population of the United States roughly? It's 30.

13% So 13 to 14% of the constituents are represented by .001% on your side. Now I'm curious about this one. What's the percentage of the United States citizens who are Christian? Who identify as Christian or Judeo-Christian? Probably 50 to 55%. What's the percentage of Christians who are Republican in Congress? Just curious. It's...

A hundred percent. Hold on a second. Let me ask you a question. Yeah, it's a hundred percent. Calm down. You've talked this entire time. Representation matters to you. Hold on one second. Let me, how have the Democrats done overseeing the black community the last 40 years? Are they wealthier, richer, richer, happier? Everybody has made mistakes.

bro. No, no, answer the question. I'm answering the question. There has been successes and there's been failures. But on your side, let me ask you this. Let me ask this question the other way. So Tim Scott, this is the best way to do this. So I'm an alumni. I hope that's okay. Oregon State alumni. Yeah. Go Beavs. Go Beavs. I used to live in Bloss Hall. Anyone in Bloss Hall? Bloss Hall? Bloss Hall is all f***.

That's sad that it's not changed. No. So this is the other. This is maybe the better question. So in 2022, Herschel Walker would have become the very first black Republican Senate candidate to win a primary and a general election to serve their first term in office. As you know, Tim Scott was actually appointed to fill a vacated seat. And then won later. Right. Right. But he won as an incumbent. And what's the incumbency rate in Congress? Does anybody know that number? It's like 90 something, 96 percent, 97 percent.

I'm just curious, do you know when Republicans... Yeah, my question is, when do you... Because it's not going to happen this cycle. What cycle do you think Republicans will nominate and elect their first black Republican senator to serve in office? You know what's interesting? I think skin color is irrelevant. Why do you care so much about it? I just told you, buddy, it's not irrelevant because it doesn't matter to you. No, no, no, it's interesting, though. But, like, you say representation. Representation matters. No, stop it. The only representation that matters...

is values, not skin color. Oh, values. Right, Christian values are important to you because 100% of Republicans in Congress represent Christian values. Black values are not important to Republicans because 0.001% of your representation. Tell me very slowly so I can understand. What are black values? I'm talking about the values of different communities. No, no, tell me what they are. Educate me on what black values are. That's... You're...

You're picking a stupid part of my career. You know what black values are? They're Christian because they're one of the most Christian populations in the country. That's what black values are. How was the church during slavery? I'm curious. What did the church say about slavery? Well,

Yeah, they did. Yeah, I'm pretty sure there were a bunch of pastors and preachers. No, no, but help me understand. What is the difference between a white person and a black person? We're getting off topic. No, no. This is your topic, my friend. You know you're now starting to retreat a little bit because it's not going well. I came out here to prove a point, which is that your side doesn't really want to involve itself in anything other than white Christian culture, and that's represented in the people that you bring to.

office. Explain to me then not just Wesley Hunt, but Ana Paulina Luna and the growing Republican Party in the Hispanic community. Are any of them in any leadership positions on your committees? You guys do run a bunch of committees, right? I'm curious. How many non-white, non-males are on Republican committees in Congress? We've got about 118 Congresses to pick from. Quite a few, but...

The only distinction I will accept is the male-female distinction. I actually think that one matters because I think male-female distinctions are important. One the left does not believe in. But I want you to tell me. It's from the Bible, right? Yeah. Well, it's also biology. You know, like XXXY chromosomes. Yeah. You know? You do believe in male-female distinctions, right? I'm talking about, I love that you have to retreat to like the biblical male-female. I get it. I didn't. You can see XXXY in your blood work, actually. How did we get on that?

Because I'm talking about distinctions. So I want you to tell me, though, you say that the Republican Party is underrepresenting black America. Well, not just black America. It's many other. I'm saying they're overrepresenting white Christian culture. And that matters because it shows that that's what your value set is. I don't believe that you have value sets for non-white non-Christian cultures. What is white Christian culture? Tell me what that is.

You're in, like, you drip it in the morning when you get out of the shower, bro. Like, what are you, like, hating women, hating different people, and, you know, yeah. Senator Lummis from Wyoming is on a leadership committee. Senator Lummis from Wyoming. Yeah, that's a, that's a. Yes. When was the last time he had? Hold on a second. Also, Senator Katie Britt gave the response to the State of the Union address, and she. Oh, she did a great job on that one, guys. You guys remember that? Yeah.

That was hilarious. We are suffering! Okay, so tell me very clearly, though. You said that I hate women and I'm misogynistic. Can you give me an example? I don't have a specific example right now. Yeah, because it doesn't exist, actually. It doesn't exist. I think it does. Because you're making it up. I think I got you earlier, though, and I love you, my friend. Tell me your evidence, though. I'm going to move it down to the next person in line because there's a lot of people lined up. You have a wonderful day, buddy. Final question. Are you voting for Kamala Harris? Yes.

I'm voting not Trump, mother****. Never has an example. Yes, yes, hello, how are you? Hi, Charlie. I'm good, how are you? Great job. Yes. So, it's pretty clear that you will be voting for Trump next month, but I'm curious if you've read this book to see if it will maybe sway your opinions a little bit? Oh, it's the achievement, is it empty? No. Oh, I love this. This is the achievements of Kamala Harris.

If you want, you can try to fill it out too, but there's not much. No, those white dudes for Harris need to start filling this out. Look at how much she did on immigration, everybody. Isn't that great? God bless you. Thank you. All right, this is the Brainwash Store. We're going to talk about crazy kind of college opinions. So I want to hear your thoughts on the writings of Karl Marx. Not a fan.

What specifically do you disagree with it? When he said specifically that in order for, and I'm paraphrasing, I believe this is in either Das Kapital or the Communist Manifesto, that private property, formation of family, and connection to the divine or religion must be eradicated for a communist revolution. I think those three things actually underpin a civil society.

Yet civil society before believed in monarchism and believed that the king was divine. And we moved on from that to have the democracy we have today, all the great things we have today. Do you not believe there are other things we can move on from?

Well, first of all, actually, we're not a democracy. We're a constitutional republic. Second of all, no, I don't think we should move on from the family. We're doing that right now in America, and it's a complete disaster. As the American family disintegrates, and I would disagree with your stating, things aren't better than ever. Our country's sicker than ever. We're more suicidal, more anxious, more depressed.

Crime rates are up. We have deaths of despair way up. We're in an existential crisis in this country, largely because people no longer believe in God. Our family formation is down and private property to a lesser extent. But yeah, so those three things marks one after which I actually think underpin

any society I want to live in. The eradication of the family did not mean that you have to hate your mom, hate your dad. It just simply meant you don't have to associate them. Then you can associate with who you want and the family is an arbitrary category. So I don't think family is an arbitrary category. I think that you should honor your mother and father and that that is built into us. I think that being around a nuclear family is good for all people. And let's just look at the fruit. Do you think America is improving the worse off our families are?

Our families are in terrible condition in this country. Do you think that's been a good thing? I don't think it's been a good thing. Why do you think families are in decline? Is there any economic forces underpinning that? Well, the number one reason is divorce, and divorce is done way too cheaply. The second of which is how people do not get married and have children out of wedlock.

And yeah, there's of course, there's some economic things. Part of what Marx talked about was correct, which is material conditions can impact people's livelihood or their agency. I think he overemphasized material conditions because I think values matter a lot more than material conditions. And that's what Marx underestimated. I think how you view the world, how you view yourself and how you view yourself in the cosmos, most importantly, is more important than how much money you have in the bank account. And that's where my biggest disagreement with Marx is.

is he was highly, highly obsessed and focused on people's material standing. I'm much more interested in people's eternal spiritual standing and, of course, how they view themselves in relation to the world. Does that make sense? I agree. I'm going to move on. Good question. Thank you very much.

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Hi, Charlie. So yeah, you can come up. I'll tell you about it. My name is Ian. And a question I had for you today is how many immigrant illegal immigrants were charged for murdering somebody last year? Or how many people were murdered by illegal immigrants last? I don't know the number. My guess would be probably one to 2000. I know that there's 13. Am I am I approximately right? 23. There are 23. And I know I understand. Do you count DUIs?

I don't think, I don't know if the number there is being counted in DUIs. I'm talking about the FBI crime statistics that specifically say... So DUIs, so killing and murder are two different things. You might be right on murder. Killing is a lot though because the number one community per capita that does DUIs driving under the influence is illegals in this country. And I'm sure you guys experience this in a lot of cities.

That's actually way lower than I thought it was, so I stand corrected. I'll have to look that up. Do you think a better way to decrease DUIs would be to give illegal immigrants a way to get licensed inadequately? Wow.

license illegal immigrants and allow them to adequately have the education to drive on roads in America? No. You don't think that would decrease DUI deaths from potential illegal immigrants? And the answer is this, is that in states where illegals get driver's licenses, we haven't seen a decrease.

I don't know the specifics. Yeah, that's okay. But no, it's a smart question. So why do you... Okay, well, we're talking about murders along with just general crime statistics. You say we're more violent now than we've ever been? Well, no, I didn't say that. I said that in the last... I said our crime is going up. In the last 20 years, we are far... It's a far more dangerous country than it was 20 years ago. Empirically, that's not true. Over the past...

Since the late 1990s, crime has been decreasing every year except for 2020 during the pandemic. No, that's not correct. Violent crime and property crime are down since 1990. It's down from 2020, but it's up significantly from where it was 10 years ago. It's also down from 1990. No, it's not. It's not even close. Look at the...

FBI crime statistics. First of all, the FBI crime statistics did not include the four biggest cities in the country. Why wouldn't they do that? You think the FBI is woke? Well, yes, actually. You think the FBI, famous for sabotaging socialist governments around the world, is woke? Well, that's the CIA. You're right, CIA. The FBI is super woke, actually. The FBI, famous for targeting Black Panthers and revolutionary movements in America, is woke.

That was 60 or 70 years ago, but I won't even say that. The FBI, I don't know why they did it. I can speculate. And just so we're clear, the FBI reports to the Department of Justice, which is Merrick Garland and was Eric Holder, and a lot of changes happened to the FBI, and a lot of changes happened to DOJ. But let me just ask you a very simple question. I did this earlier. Do you feel safe walking the streets of Portland at night? I haven't been to Portland. You haven't been to Portland. Okay. Where are you from? I'm from Phoenix. Oh, you're from Phoenix. Okay. Yeah, I was born in Mesa.

So we're both from Phoenix. Have you been to LA ever? I've been to LA. Do you feel safe walking the streets of LA at night? I've never had an issue. I'm also a white man, so I'm not the person to ask this question. Well, that means nothing when it comes to the streets of LA, right? Sure. But I've walked the streets of LA. Actually, if you're a white man, they're going to target you more because they're going to think you're rich. I've walked the streets of LA and been perfectly fine.

At night, too. Okay, we're living in different realities. You're talking about anecdotal evidence, which is very powerful and appeals to emotion. I don't want to discount anybody's personal experience, but I'm talking about empirical statistical evidence. The empirical data, though, again, this is not helpful. I did this previous. You're just wrong. Crime is up since 10 years ago. It spiked during 2020. It's down...

since 2020. It's gone down a little bit since 2020, but it's still above where it was 10 years ago, especially if you count urban murder, crime, arson, carjacking. And so it was especially where it was 20 years ago. And how we tabulate crime is different. We're not even catching all the people that commit crimes.

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What exactly was your question in regards to this, though? Well, I was asking, why do you think crime is such a massive focus of the Republican Party when empirically it's down? Well, again, it's not down. It's because everyone's experiencing an uptick in crime. And it is not a confirmation bias. It's not. Well...

Well, I did read a study recently. Because in Phoenix, crime is up, man. I mean, like, where we're from, it's up. Well, I haven't lived in Phoenix in, like, three years. Okay, but, I mean, like, again, home invasions are up. I mean, it's... Anyone... Our whole team's from Phoenix. I can tell you, it's materially up in the valley. Well, I haven't looked at the specific statistics for Phoenix, but if I'm talking about San Francisco...

It's way up. The city that is targeted by conservatives for being the woke bastion of the world is down. Crime is down. Property crime is down. It's not even close. And again, this is it's because they're not. Let me tell you why crime is down. Let me tell you this works. If you don't respond to a 911 call, it's not registered as a crime. And so why wouldn't police respond to a 911 call?

Man, you're asking really good questions. They don't have enough police. They don't have the capacity. And also, if you do not steal more than $900 in San Francisco, do you know it's not a crime? I know what you're talking about. It doesn't get registered as a crime. It gets registered as a misdemeanor, not a felony. We're talking about felonies here. You're right. So, for example, and I think we can find some common ground, there's some trouble if you walk into a Louis Vuitton store and steal a $700 purse not registered in the FBI crime statistics.

But we would all agree you're stealing a $700 purse. That's a big deal. And so because they've decriminalized with the statute of what crime is, that all of a sudden we're like, oh, things are safer. Like, actually, no, things are not safer. We just change what the definition of crime is. In San Francisco, you have to steal $950 to warrant a felony arrest. Otherwise, it's a misdemeanor, which is the same as illegal parking, jaywalking, or walking your dog in the wrong park, which, again, you're not going to get arrested for. The number is higher in some red cities. Like, I...

In Florida, the number is like $1,500 rather than the $900 you're citing for San Francisco. Well, is it a red city or a red state and a blue city and a red state? I don't know. I'll have to look at that. You might be right. There's not a lot of red cities. But I think, can we agree, because I'm sure you don't want crime, right? No, of course not. Can we agree that, like, we should not have these rules where if you only steal $900, you're going to get arrested?

I think that the reducing that to a misdemeanor wasn't to allow crime. It was to focus on more serious crimes. It, it,

But they haven't, though. And that's the problem. And so, for example, I wouldn't the police who famously support Republican causes. The police benevolence associations are all donors to Trump. Why would they not want to focus on all crime? Oh, they are. No, the police are the ones pushing against this. So let's take an example of the what you're saying. The D.A.'s are not like Chesa Boudin, who was previously in San Francisco, was totally against it. So let's use an example of Chicago, something I'm sure you can agree with. In Chicago, only about half of all murders get solved.

Right? Only half of all murders. Okay. That's a big deal.

Even the murder rate in Louisiana, which is very, very high, is much, much higher than Chicago. No, no, for sure. I can see that. Again, but New Orleans is far from a red city, right? And again, I'm not going to correlate every Republican place is safer than every Democrat place. I will correlate, though, that the biggest places Democrats control, large in part, are the most dangerous cities and the places that are quickly in decline. And here's how you know I'm right. They're losing population.

They're losing population because of perception. Because news media focuses on crime even though it's going down. Let me play that out. Would someone sell their condo in LA based on perception or reality? I think it's less to do with crime and that's more to do with California is insanely expensive because of

The illegals coming into California. Yeah, exactly. Newsom and his newsom is fair enough. Fair enough. But I think that some did not. I think we can agree instead of like all these stats. And you seem like you're really well intended. But the one stat that we can agree with is both California, Oregon, Washington are losing population.

And it's not just because of cost. OK, in Portland, it's cheaper to live there than in Seattle. OK, it's true. Correct. And it's more expensive to live in this city than it is to live in Portland. Why? Because Corvallis has insane housing prices because of all the college students. But think about are there other reasons why Corvallis is more desirable than Portland? Well, so actually, I wouldn't agree. Crescent Valley is historically one of the is the second richest district in the state. Oh, well, the suburbs of Portland are not Portland.

Well, Crescent Valley is hardly a suburb of Corvallis. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I thought you meant like the Beaverton area. Crescent Valley is north Corvallis. No, no, no. Okay, but I guess that there's this, again, at some point, at some point there has to be a reckoning and a reconciliation. Not by, I mean, you're coming up to this fine. Is why is it that these four coastal cities of the West...

Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, LA that are beasts, right? At least Seattle, San Francisco, LA are beasts are all losing population. And it's not just because of housing. It is because of housing. Well, San Francisco is losing population and they have not seen a housing spike like LA. They haven't seen the same housing spike as LA, but California and Newsom's, I will admit, Newsom's failed housing policies. He didn't...

Can you get closer to the mic, please? He didn't follow through on any of your progressive housing policies that he promised. It's more than that, though. It's that there is a reality where people see their cars getting jacked into. They see the crime on the street increase. That's anecdotal evidence when it's statistically down. I already proved to you, though. You didn't prove anything. None of us can prove anything. No, no, no. I proved to you that, and you agreed, when you consider only $900 of crime a crime, then it doesn't get registered. For example...

something like 70% or three out of four of all carjacking calls barely get a police to go quick, police officer go there quickly. Okay. Police won't do their jobs. Okay. I don't have a very positive view of the police. Okay. Fair enough. So, um, let's try to find some agreement then if we can, which is when, when you see somebody commit a crime, are you more sympathetic towards them or, or do you think that we should be, you know,

administer justice? When you see someone commit a crime, I want to know where you're coming from. I believe in rehabilitative justice. I think that that person should, obviously if they'd have to return anything that they stole, they'd have to pay back any damages they did, but ultimately, we need to, like you were talking with the person, two people before me, we need to talk about the material conditions, and that person might not be doing that because they just want to commit crime. Crime is not born out of fickle means. It's born out of necessity. Well, that's interesting. I

So you think people rob luxury goods stores out of necessity? Well, they're not robbing it to take the Gucci watch. They're robbing it to resell for money. Yes, but this is where you and I differ. And it's okay. We have clarity but not agreement. When I see someone who is committing a crime, I don't have sympathy for them.

I want to have a punitive justice system. They're still human. Of course they're human. We should treat them humanely. But I think what you're doing, though, is you're making an excuse saying, if you're poor, therefore crime. And I think that's an insult to a lot of poor people that don't commit crimes. No, it's important, though, because it's not about material condition. I think it's about values. It's about whether or not you're taught stealing is wrong. Can't your material conditions influence your values?

Yeah, maybe. But, I mean, not as much, though. Because let me tell you, if you have a strong family that tells you you should never steal no matter how poor you are, that's far more important than whether or not you have money or not. And then your grandpa gets lung cancer and you can't pay for the medical bills that are piling up in this country, so you steal... Let's be clear. Do you think people that are going into Louis Vuitton stealing purses are paying for their grandma's lung cancer? I think they might be. I... You'd have to look at what...

You have to look at intention there. And I know, I understand that. But even if that intention was the case, it does not excuse the crime. Again, you must judge the behavior, not the intent. The intent is irrelevant. Everyone has a good reason to go hold up a bank. I think if we were to improve, say, medical outcomes in this country and not saddle people with medical debt, with college debt, with all these different types of debt, they might be less inclined to commit a crime that...

I completely disagree. I need to get back to work. I'm going to let the next person go. I like your psychedelic mushrooms, though. Okay, yeah. Okay, thank you. Hey, Charlie. So...

Seven years ago, I was very much on the left, and since then I've made very much a moderating journey. I kind of identify as more of an independent now, definitely leaning very libertarian. I'm a big fan of Milton Friedman. I stumbled across his Free to Choose series. I really loved that. And since then I've become wary of politicians across the political spectrum who think the answer to everything is more government spending and also seem to really enjoy wielding the power of the government.

So I'm very skeptical of those two things. And right now, I definitely think that the Democrats are more guilty of this, especially with the repeated attacks on freedom of speech, things like trying to classify, saying misinformation isn't protected by the First Amendment and things like that. But in terms of government spending, given what happened in terms of in Trump's first term, the deficit was still exploding and so did the debt. And I think he created something like 65,000 new government jobs that may be off, but

somewhere around there. I'm just wondering if you really think Trump is going to be that much better in terms of government spending and fiscal policy. He will be, but you've isolated what I would consider be one of his few failures as president, which was the ability to balance the budget. I'm in full agreement with that. Okay. Yeah, fair enough. No, but I think that we must reduce the size of the federal government and cut spending, which is unpopular on both sides of the aisle. Republicans want more war. Democrats

Democrats want more welfare. Warfare welfare state. And they cut a deal to borrow a bunch of our money, erode our currency, and inflate our dollar. And then we have a bunch of overseas abstractions and a lot of people addicted to government programs and a worse country. So I think we agree on that. Yeah, definitely. I wanted to add one other clarification. There's been a lot of talk earlier about sex in general, and I definitely believe that sex is a binary. But I think there is a misconception that it boils down to chromosomes. A lot of people, I think, get this wrong. There can be a lot of...

within chromosomes, but the one thing that there isn't variation between is large and small gametes. There are two sexes because one sex is designed around the production of large gametes, which are eggs, and the other sex is designed around small gametes, which are sperm in humans. So I think that's the more important distinction than chromosomes, and I just wanted to point that out. That's a great point, and I might use it. So you're going to see it in a video sometime soon.

Okay, thank you very much. That's why I do this, to learn while I'm here too. Not a biologist, but that's my understanding. Thank you. Thank you very much. You want a hat? Give me the hat. All right, there you go. Get the hat. Thank you. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening, and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.