Blow Up The Food Pyramid: Charlie at the University of Wisconsin-Madison
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Hello, Charlie. Can you give him a little bit more space? Thank you, thank you, thank you. I'd like to ask you, how do you feel about replacing the Electoral College with ranked choice voting? I'm not a fan of ranked choice voting at all. Yeah. Do you want to explain what ranked choice voting is? Yeah, okay. So, like, RFK, for example, he dropped out of the race. I thought he was a pretty good candidate. He had all good policies. But under the two-party system that we have, he is suppressed. And I think...

Victoria College has a lot of flaws. Territories, they can't vote. Conservatives in big blue states are suppressed. They're ignored because of the winner-takes-all system. And the distortion of the votes, like Wyoming is four times the voting power of California.

I think there's a lot of flaws, and ranked choice voting would make our votes more specified. Got it. So first, you were an RFK fan. Are you voting for Trump now? I don't want to say. Okay. I'll put you down as a probably. But no, you're talking about two different things. The Electoral College is different than ranked choice. Ranked choice voting is a way of saying that basically the first loser ends up advancing as the candidate, right? So are you in favor of a popular vote for president or –

I thought the rank choice voting meant you would vote your favorite candidates number one. Correct, yeah. I think that's good because people could give their overall thoughts and people would be more researched about their opinions. Yeah, I mean, where we've seen rank choice voting employed is usually by liberals and Democrats in very, very red states, and they end up basically eliminating the Republican Party. That's a little bit more nuanced, but as far as the Electoral College goes...

I love the fact that Wisconsin is now one of the most important states in this election and that Wisconsin values and Wisconsin voters are going to have to be heard by both candidates and that it's not just a race in Los Angeles and New York City. Now, understand, yes, Wyoming has a lot of power, but so does Rhode Island and Hawaii, which are two blue states that are not as big.

Right. So the beauty of the Electoral College is that it recognizes that America's system is different than Europe. It's different than most of the world. We are states first and then we are a national project. And therefore, the states need to have some form of representation in how we tabulate our votes. And the beauty of the Electoral College is that the swing states think of how diverse these states are. Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania.

Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin. If it was a pure popular vote, which I know you're not advocating for, it would all be about Seattle, Chicago, San Francisco, L.A., New York. But the top like 10 cities is like around 10 percent of the total population. That would not be nearly enough to win the election. Even the top 50 cities wouldn't get you.

close enough to win the election? Well, so yes and no. I mean, the population of the Metroplex areas are more than half the American population. So you're right. Anyone from Chicago? I'm from Chicago. I'm sure we got a lot of Chicagoans there, right? So we all know the difference between Chicago and Chicagoland, right? So Chicagoland is nearly, I think, seven or eight million people, where Chicago is three million people. But I think you can agree, at least we can agree, the beauty of the Electoral College

And it does have some flaws. The beauty, though, is that it requires candidates to have to go to many different parts of the country and to earn support, not just go to the coastal cities. And the way it works in a lot of European elections in the United Kingdom or in French election, not a good example because they have a parliamentary system, but like France, they just run up the score in Paris and they say, you know, forget it, you know, to the rules. I think it's a good thing that Wisconsin farmers have.

have a say in this election. It gives Wisconsin a seat at the table. So thank you, man. Appreciate it. Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you. Next question. Yes. I hope you guys can hear me. I'm doing the best we can. So.

For a Republican Party that prides itself on personal responsibility, protecting the sentient unborn and free markets, I was curious your thoughts on animal rights. Just because the government subsidizes animal agriculture far more than fruits and vegetables and plant foods, which inhibits the free market and ends up slaughtering lots of animals. And animals are also sentient beings like the unborn. So I was curious your thoughts on all of that. Yeah, so the question is first, is an animal a human? No. Okay, so...

does it therefore have rights i mean we already have rights for animals for dogs cats and even of course but do you get first amendment protections for your dog does you can your dog on a firearm right no no of course not so it's it's not the same thing as a human yeah i'm not saying now as a christian we're also not allowed to torture or to slaughter that's in the no way covenant and repeatedly out the scriptures we must be humane in our treatment of animals but as

I don't know where you're coming at from this perspective, but some people would say that animals and humans are on the same moral plane. I don't think that's what you're saying, right? However, there is a push, though, to say that we should no longer eat meat because it's bad for the life of animals.

We should do what's best for human beings, first and foremost. And it's good for human beings to eat meat. It's good for human beings to be able to eat animals. It's good for human beings to not just eat like this synthetic fake meat that Bill Gates wants to make all day long. And so, yeah, where do I stand on animal rights? I mean, I don't think any living being should be tortured or should be cruelly treated for

But at the same time, we should always do what's best for human beings and human beings first. So, for example, when there's an environmental question, the question should first be what is best for the human species, not what's best for, you know, the trees or for the snake. Those things are important, but it's more important for humans. Does that answer your question? In part, it's okay if I have a little follow-up. Please, yeah. I mean, in terms of what rights we give to animals, of course we wouldn't give animals the right to drive a car or vote because it's not relevant to them.

But the rights that would be relevant to them are basic negative rights, the right not to be mistreated or killed. And we already have that for cats and dogs and even cruelty laws on farm animals. Well, we're allowed to kill dogs. That's not true. We have kill shelters for dogs, right? We also kill dogs that bite their owners and dogs with rabies, right? So if a human being gets rabies, what do we do? We treat the human. If a dog gets rabies...

Unless there's like a miraculous treatment, which there usually isn't. Right. So you're right. The negative rights. We do have rights to be able to for better or worse, because we do not treat dogs and cats as the same moral level, because we as human beings have a soul. We have reason. We have the ability to make sense of the natural world. Dogs do not.

Right. Dogs only have senses. They do not have reason. And so, for example, a dog cannot tell that it's a dog. Now, there's some disagreement about that. But we as human beings can make sense of the natural world. We are the speaking beings to say differently. But no, no animals should be mistreated. But to say that animals are not allowed to be killed would be there for an argument against meat. Correct. Right. Yeah.

And I'm not saying that's your position. I'm arguing against... Right, that's very unpopular probably at UW-Madison to get rid of bacon, right? So I'm just guessing. Yeah, and the reason I'm bringing this up ultimately is...

These animals that we kill on factory farms, we kill them pigs in gas chambers. We ground up male chicks alive for the ag industry because only the female hens lay eggs. All these different things is because we view animals on not having enough rights to actually protect their livelihood. I'm making an argument that we shouldn't obviously give animals rights that aren't relevant to them. For sure. Yeah. So if you were a dictator, would you say we cannot kill pigs?

No, I think that should be left up to the free market. The reason I'm concerned about it is the government is spending billions of dollars. Yeah, I think factory farming has a lot of problems, more because of the health of the human that eats the meat, less than about the animal, because it's just not as good for the human. Real quick, do you think ultimately that

Our Republican Party that is pro-free market should be propping up billions of dollars towards subsidies for agriculture. I'm not a huge subsidy fan of things that make people fat and unhealthy. So would you, if you were in a voting position either, if you were an elected leader, would you vote against and should Republicans vote against that? I'm not in a voting position, but yeah, I would advocate for, I'd advocate against most of our current agricultural subsidies for sure. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Yes. Who wants to go next?

disagreements are most welcome. Hi, I'm not here to disagree on it. Okay, well, I just want to hear your opinions on what's the best solution in the long term between Israel and Palestine? That's a great question. And by the way, we have hats here for anyone that says they're voting for Trump who wants a hat. All right, there you go. All right, we'll get there in a sec. Will you wear the hat? By the way,

Huh? All right. There you go. See, look at that. Look how much Trump support we have here on campus, everybody. Isn't that great? All right. You definitely get one. All right. Well, we'll get them in a sec. All right. The long term solution. Very difficult.

I am pro-Israel, and I am resolutely pro-Israel, and I think we need to be very clear about that. And if you disagree, you guys can come to the mic at any time with that, by the way. There probably is not a long-term solution in the way that we look at it because you have one side that does not believe the other side should exist.

And if you do not recognize that the Jewish people deserve a homeland and deserve a place to be able to exist and to build out their culture, then it's hard to coexist. Probably the best solution is what is called a three-state solution. But understand the Palestinian Authority, they have elections. They receive billions of dollars in foreign aid. The Palestinian Authority, they do have self-government and governance over themselves.

And that has not been enough. And they decided to launch a war against Israel on October 7th. And it hasn't been going very well for them. And obviously, and it's a disaster. A lot of people have died. And that's not obviously good. But yeah, the long term solution, in my opinion, is first and foremost, you must come from the belief that Israel has a right to exist. You don't have to like the Israeli government. But if you if you disagree with that, then there will not be a long term solution. So, OK, give us that. Thank you.

Do you have compassion for the people living in Gaza? Of course I do. I have compassion for all people. Yes, absolutely. But I mean, understand it is a war that was started

by the leadership class of Gaza and largely supported by the people of Gaza. It's not an ideal situation, but the 1,300-plus Jews that were massacred and murdered at the concerts and the kibbutzes and the nurseries and the babies that were terribly treated on that morning, that was the declaration of war. And they'll say, oh, no, we've been at war for the last 20 or 30 years. That's a silly argument. Thank you. Yes, sir.

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All right, next. Yes, sir. Hi, I'm Ben. You want a MAGA hat? Sure. No, you have to earn it. All right. So I wrote an article this summer where I was highly critical of Turning Point and said that it was doing harm to the conservative movement. Never heard of Turning Point. Oh, that was you. Yeah. Okay. So my question is, what is Turning Point Action doing this time around to learn from the mistakes of 2022? Yeah.

Well, first of all, we already registered more voters in the state of Arizona than we fell short of in Arizona. By the way, thanks for reaching out to us before you published your article. I'm being sarcastic. We're also we have 500 full time ballot chasers state of Arizona. We have 150 full time ballot chasers here in Wisconsin. We just hosted J.D. Vance last evening. We hosted President Trump last week when Bobby Kennedy endorsed President Trump in Arizona, which was huge.

And look, the number one thing is that we need to embrace early voting and we need to dominate an election month. It's not enough just to tell everyone to vote on one day. That is definitely a lesson we've learned from 2022, for sure. So if, like, Carrie Lake loses again in Arizona, does Turning Point have any blame for that loss? No, of course not any blame. No, I mean, that's... First of all, we're not running the Republican Party. We're an outside group that is one of the smaller outside groups. And I noticed you did not write an article against any of the other major super PACs that raised four or five times the sums that we do. But no, we don't...

We don't have any blame. Instead, the question is, will you give us credit if she wins? Yes. Okay. Well, there you go. So we'll talk in November. All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Next question. Okay. I'm sorry. It might be boring you, but I don't really have a question. I just want – I kind of do have a question. Can I just get a picture with you? I'm going to come and do a bunch of pictures in a sec. Well, not in a sec, but let's do some questions. Who disagrees or who wants to – yeah. Can I have a MAGA hat?

Are you going to vote for Trump? Yeah. Are you registered to vote? Yeah. All right. You got it. All right. Yes. So I'm super excited that you're on campus. Thank you. Yeah. So I had a couple of questions because I'm from Boston. So it landed the liberals. You know how it is. Yeah. And now you go to school here. Yeah, I go to school. But you've got to re-register to vote here. I just did. There you go. And I'm voting for Trump. All right. That's what I'm talking about. There we go. Let's go. Good catch.

I was wondering if you could educate us a little bit on Project 25 and how Kamala Harris is using that, even though Donald Trump has repeatedly denounced it. Yeah, it's so funny. I haven't even read the entire document of Project 2025. She's making it seem as if this is the official policy position of President Trump's campaign. His position is 20 things. It's very simple. It's to drill, baby, drill, secure the border, deport the criminals that are here, no men and women's sports, very simple stuff. Project 2025 is...

A project that was done outside of the Trump campaign by the Heritage Foundation, not blessed or condoned. But she's trying to make it seem as if this is like the official policy platform of the Trump campaign. Because it sounds super scary. It's an 800-page document. I think people are wiser than that. Instead...

We should ask, what is Kamala Harris's agenda 2025? What is her agenda? She will not do an interview. The only way she'll do an interview is sit down with a chaperone at CNN. Her first time she talked to reporters in 46 days. Here, I'll take any question from anybody for three hours on straight. I'm doing 22 of these campus visits across the country. The woman who wants to be president of the United States is afraid to take questions from people that disagree with her. That should disqualify her from being president of the United States, period. Thank you very much.

God bless you. Yeah, go really quick. What do you think about the implications of the Venezuelan elections? Oh, well, the Venezuelan elections show that elections can be interfered with. I'm more worried about what's happening in Brazil right now. The fact that our State Department is allowing X or Twitter to be outlawed and just banned in the country of Brazil is unbelievable to me.

And so there's a lot of creepy stuff happening in the Southern Hemisphere. Maduro obviously lost. He's obviously an illegitimate leader. And yeah, this shows that elections can be very flawed. Thank you. We're trying our best. We have a big crowd here. Yes.

So I'd say as a, okay, go ahead. So as another Chicagoan, I would say like a lot of voters are a little discouraged because downtown. So a lot of people would say their votes like don't matter, not just in Chicago, but like other like really predominantly blue States. So what would you say to people that feel discouraged? Like people thinking their vote won't really matter. Yeah. I mean, look, Trump's not going to win Illinois. I wish he would. First of all,

Still vote, still work. But if you live in Illinois, you're discouraged. Get in the car, drive to Wisconsin and go knock on doors to try to get Trump to win in Wisconsin. I am very sure to vote here. That's that's that's the right. That's the right answer. So your vote's going to matter a lot more in Wisconsin than in Illinois. Don't be discouraged, but you're definitely outnumbered and try to win local elections before you try to win the big one. You want to have. Yes, please. All right. Only if you wear it on campus. All right. There you go. Yes.

Hi there, Charlie. So I have a big question. So big. I understand voting for Trump in terms of policy problems with the left side of the spectrum and because of the state of the economy or other political affairs. And I understand that there are fair claims to be made that the media could be biased towards the left. But don't you agree? Don't don't you agree that former President Trump's claims of fraud of the 2020 election, despite all experts contradicting this, is false?

Is direct evidence of perhaps his selfish drive to preserve power at all costs and also evidence of Trump being a danger to American democracy? I'm just asking. I'm asking. No. And the integrity of our institution. So real quick, whether you think he did he incited the January 6th riots or not.

It's clear that Trump may have a widespread message that the U.S. election process could not be trusted. So wouldn't you say that in this election cycle, having a candidate in office that respects the integrity of our election process and won't say things such as there might not be another election process if I'm not elected is more important than any policy or cultural issues of the candidates? Well, no, but let's go through 2020. So do you think it's normal for the CIA to interfere in American elections?

No. OK, so what is your opinion about the CIA interfering with the 2020 election? I don't know enough about. Yeah. OK, great. So 50 former intel agents run by Tony Blinken signed a letter calling the Hunter Biden laptop Russian disinformation. According to a poll by the Media Research Center, over 20 percent of swing voters would have voted for Trump if they would have known about the Hunter Biden laptop.

So before we get into counting or before we get into anything, the experts were the ones that were signing a letter saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was from Russia and that directly impacted people's votes. Number two, is it normal when one of the world's wealthiest people, Mark Zuckerberg, put $400 million into our election system in heavy Democrat areas to boost Democrat turnout, otherwise known as Zuckerbox?

No one disagrees with that. In fact, it was so controversial, Wisconsin has now banned Zucker boxes in this upcoming election so that out-of-state billionaires cannot pump money in there. And finally, when it goes to the errors in the 2020 election, we...

We have to understand that Twitter and Facebook did not allow us. I lost my Twitter account because I wanted to talk about the Hunter Biden laptop. Praise God, we now have Elon Musk running Twitter and X. It's a completely different environment. And so when President Trump is talking about the issues of the 2020 election, let's just forget all the ballot issues, forget all of that. He's talking about the most powerful institutions that were preventing us from being able to get information out to swing voters.

The threat to democracy is the CIA, is the FBI, is the Department of Justice. It's the Department of Justice that's trying to put Donald Trump in jail right now so that people cannot make decisions about their candidate. Donald Trump is not a threat to democracy. Donald Trump is the savior of American democracy because unlike Kamala Harris, he actually won his primary and people actually voted for him. Thank you, Charlie. You bet. Thank you. All right. Next.

I just had a quick question about what's going on in Brazil tomorrow night. Big matchup, Packers, Eagles. Who you got? As a Bears fan probably. I am a, first of all, we all have to admit the 85 Bears are the best NFL team ever assembled. I will disagree with that. What is the best team ever assembled? Roger Stallone, dude.

Of course he does. So what's your answer? What's your answer? No, I'm going to be cheering for the Packers for sure. Yeah, even as a Bears fan because I can't stand the Philadelphia Eagles. I think they're my most hated team in the NFL. And I have to say I love the idea that the people own the Green Bay Packers and that like a Midwest town is able to have a top-level NFL franchise. That's why I like the year. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, go Pack Go. There you go.

Hey Charlie, I'm also from Chicago. What part? Evanston. Okay, cool. And I just wanted to ask you, because I'm a big Catholic, I wanted to ask you how important do you think religion is in this day and age? Very important. Yeah, I mean, as America becomes more secular and as the country becomes less godly, we become less free, more miserable, more depressed, more suicidal, more anxious, etc. Yeah. So is this... I see that you really do try to push religion. You're a Christian, right? Yeah, I am a Christian. Did you grow up that way? Um...

Yes and no. Or did you just recently kind of... No, I mean, I grew up in a passive Christian home, gave my life to the Lord when I was in fifth grade. Yeah. Okay. Well, I just wanted to ask that and thank you for... You voting for Trump? Of course. There you go. Okay. You want a hat? Yeah. All right. Okay. Great. Thank you. Who's next? Disagreements are welcome. Yes.

Hi. So my brother actually wanted me to ask this. So in 2018, you said that if you graduate from a four-year university with a specific skill, that you should automatically get a green card. Yeah, that was a stupid thing to say. Okay. Do you still stick by that? Okay. And then I do want to throw this out there that I will be voting for Trump. Good. And can I explain why? Please. So under the Trump administration, my family, we've long time, we've been renters. So under the Trump administration, when the economy was good, my family...

They've been saving up for a house. They had a good savings. They were making well. And over the last four years, their savings have been wiped out. Inflation has killed them. They're back to renting. They don't know if they'll ever be able to retire. So even though as a Christian, I might not agree with how Trump...

has been in a couple marriages sleeps with a lot of women and gets into all this um personal drama just simply based off the economy i believe i have to vote for trump well said thank you so much you you want a hat tell your friends love it yes all right quick question who do you have tonight ravens or chiefs oh chiefs for sure all right well hold on hold on let me tell you why britney mahomes endorsed donald trump and harrison butker is the man so go yeah yeah can i get a hat yeah

Can I get a hat? Yes, you can. Signed, maybe? All right, sure. Can I keep your marker? Yes. All right, thanks.

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I think it's also pretty apparent that the Harris campaign is using that against him as more of a fear factor with America. Do you believe that there are any policies, whether it's Harris or Trump in office, that could be taken from Project 2025 and benefit America?

Yeah, I think, again, the document is very long. The best part of the document is the border plan, is how to secure the border and how to stop the flow of fentanyl into our communities. It's very detailed. It allows Border Patrol to do their job, remain in Mexico. Also, if you are caught dealing fentanyl, you should get life in jail, period. That if you are caught dealing fentanyl, and there's a whole part of the Project 2025 that's about that. Yeah.

Thank you. Thank you. If you want a hat, just let me know. Yes. Yes. Happy to. Who's next? Yes. I'll sign them all. Who wants to go next? Yes. Disagreements are welcome. Thank you for your question. Yes, sir. So first off, I'm Republican voting for Trump. Super excited about that. But there is obviously a huge issue in the country with health care prices. Yeah.

And I know Trump had the transparency executive order, but what do you think is the best way to lower costs for families? Yeah, I mean, this is huge. First of all, you just have to lower inflation more broadly. That's number one. Number two, you have to go after the hospital lobby where the hospitals are gouging prices significantly lower.

Number three, this is why I'm wearing the Make America Healthy shirt. We have to try to get at the root cause, which is the food that we are feeding ourselves and our kids. We have to get to the fact that we are an increasingly sedentary country. We aren't walking enough. We're not exercising enough. And health care costs are exploding because we don't actually address the root cause 20 or 30 years prior. How do you –

How do we take on those huge food companies? Well, the first thing is we should have a real conversation about banning pesticides in when we're making our food. Ultra processed food.

Ultra processed food should not be on the FDA recommended food pyramid. Right. This is why I love Bobby Kennedy coming and joining teams with Donald Trump is that it's his life mission to make America healthier. We have a chronic disease epidemic. Half of all America's kids are chronically obese or overweight. In Japan, it is three percent.

It's not because our kids are lazier. It's because we are actively poisoning our kids with food from big ag that is that we're spraying with all these pesticides, these chemicals. And if you look at the ingredient list of just a Lunchables box, we are basically giving kids the worst thing possible for their metabolism, for their endocrinology. So that I'm more interested in a health care conversation that tries to make sure that a 12 year old doesn't have to get on Ozembic by the time they're 18 years old.

And just so you know, they're giving pediatric Ozembic now for 12 and 13 year olds. They are they are now treating obesity as a genetic disorder that you cannot do anything about. And they just want a 12 year old to now have to take a shot every week to try to curb their obesity, which has all other sorts and very, very negative health implications. So every day, potentially. Right.

And so how do we solve that? Well, my personal crusade, we have to blow up the food pyramid that we have way too many carbohydrates in our diet, not enough healthy fats, and not enough protein. Whoever made that was obviously bought by the big ag companies. And you should just say, I'm not going to have any more high fructose corn syrup. I'm not going to have any more processed sugars. And if there are ingredients I can't pronounce, I should resist it. And in the ideal, we should have a government that promotes –

The question, did God make it or did man make it? Have more foods every day that God made more so than what man made, and you'll be a lot healthier because of it. So thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right. Yes, sir. You guys are troopers in the rain here.

One, I need you to kind of inform me on something. One thing I see a lot when it comes to just the Republican media and stuff is anti-DEI legislature, especially in schools and stuff. I don't know too much about that, so before I ask my question, potentially disagree, can you just tell me what that means, anti-DEI? So, for example, let's just take in when you – the question was explain what anti-DEI – so there's anti-DEI in curriculum and anti-DEI in practice. Let's talk about practice first.

Yes.

So if you are hiring somebody, for example, to become a surgeon or to become a health care technician, to not have DEI means you're going to hire only based on merit, not based on skin color. A DEI program says, well, we need 12 percent or 20 percent of all of our surgeons to be black. I don't care the color of the skin of my surgeon. I want my surgeon to be the best in the world. So an anti-DEI program is to put merit above something that doesn't matter race. A DEI program would say, well, half your pilots aren't black.

And that's a problem. So that would be a DEI program. In education, it is to say that we need to try to diversify these fields to try to say excellence does not matter as much as diversity. Does that explain it okay? Yeah, it does. Okay. So like where I kind of come from, I'm a doctoral student in the School of Education.

What I kind of want to look at is MENA students in higher education, how they experience Middle Eastern, North African students, how they experience acculturation and stuff, because I think it's more nuanced or not more. It's just it's different from how Asian-American students, black students, how they may experience it.

Assimilation, acculturation. I'm curious, like, is that something who or is that something that individuals are your side of the political realm? Are you against that kind of research, you know? Research into how minas are mistreated is what you're saying or. That would be specifically my research, but I know not how they're mistreated. OK, I misheard. Simply like.

the sociological and psychological mechanisms behind how they assimilate. Yeah, I'm not that interested in that. Okay, so you wouldn't call that DEI, like woke research? I don't know. I'd have to learn more about it. But how does that apply to medicine?

Medicine? Because you said you're in the medical. No, no, no, school of education. Oh, I'm sorry. I misheard you. Oh, no, no, no. I misheard you. Okay. Yeah, I don't know if that's a great use of time. I guess you could do that. But what country of origin is your family? My family is from Iran. Iran. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. So here's a great example. Iranians, Persians, you guys do not need DEI. You're the most successful immigrant group to America by far because you're some of the smartest, hardest working. And you did that without any sort of favors and any sort of handouts. I mean, Persian businessmen have done amazing in America, not because of DEI. In fact, DEI would say, oh, Persians are too successful. We're going to call them white and we're going to try to have another group be more successful.

And so that I just kind of personalize it to you. Persians have benefited from the idea. Don't give me anything. Don't give me stuff. Just give me a chance. And because of that, Persians or former Iranians are some of the wealthiest immigrant groups in the history of America. May I kind of come back? Please. So I agree with what you just said, actually. But to just reinforce why I think the work is important, at least for me, like when I read the literature and when I like.

see the impacts. It's simply just like... Give me an example. More people graduate. More people succeed in their classes. More people might persist from an undergraduate program to a graduate program. And, like, evidence shows that that kind of work and the policies that come into place from that kind of work helps with that. You've got to tell me, what is the work? What do you mean? Say that again? Sorry. What is the work? Help me understand. Like, the type of research that I'm talking about in terms of...

researching student affairs, different programs, different resources that we give to students like recreation and well-being. That would be an example of a resource. Yeah, that seems pretty banal. I mean, I have no issue with that. All right, cool. Thank you. All right, thank you. Yes, next question, disagreements? Welcome. Yes, I will. Yes.

Oh, hey, Charlie. Yeah. So I saw on a video the other day, a little kid came up to you and he said, oh, I heard you said that the civil rights bill should be. And I was just kind of wondering. And then you said no. I said it was a mistake. I was just kind of wondering if you could maybe. Yeah, for sure. No, I just didn't want to debate a 12-year-old at DNC, honestly. So look, it was like a 12-year-old comes up. And he was super sweet and super nice. Like, I'm not going to debate you. Like, Mike Lindell ended up debating him. It was a disaster.

So, yeah, look, very clear. Of course, we needed to end evil segregation. The way we did it was with a wide ranging over the top bill called the Civil Rights Act that has now created the prerequisite of what we now call woke. And so, for example, the Civil Rights Act is now being used to put men in female locker rooms. The Civil Rights Act is now being used to shut down people's business if they have a certain belief on sex.

one man, one woman marriage, saying that that is discrimination under the Civil Rights Act. So, of course, my perspective is it should be illegal to actively discriminate against somebody based on their skin color. That's not what the Civil Rights Act only did, though. That's one portion of the Civil Rights Act. There's nine or 10 components that people don't even recognize or realize that effectively created this massive anti-racist, anti-racist is the term the left uses, monstrosity that is now being used for things that it was never intended for.

But in including affirmative action and what's like, can you name of maybe a few specific cases where people have cited like, yeah. So for example, it doesn't relate to a great, great question. So Merrick Garland recently, the attorney general of the United States, recently said that North Carolina and Georgia cannot have voter ID laws. So asking somebody to provide identification when they vote because it's a violation of the Civil Rights Act.

Because they say that it disproportionately impacts black Americans. So the issue with the Civil Rights Act is is not just the not just the action of being of racially segregating or of being racially insensitive. So somebody it is the impact.

So if it impacts a certain group, therefore it's also then called illegal under the civil rights act. Does that make sense? So it most certainly wasn't, wasn't a mistake though. Well, of course it was a mistake the way it was written. The intent was not though. Okay. But at the time, of course it was not a mistake. Yes, it was the way that it was written. People have used it for now. Maybe yes. But back then it wasn't a mistake though, but you have to judge the law as it is now. Right? So it's like saying, well, the law might've been good 20 years ago, but the,

I'll give you another example. Right. So Joe Biden, thankfully, this got overturned by a court. But previously he was using the Civil Rights Act saying that biological men who think they are women. So what people would call trans women, but they're not women, are allowed into locker rooms under the Civil Rights Act.

I mean, any civil rights leader back in the 60s did not march in Selma so that perverted men can go into, you know, women's locker rooms. OK, but so you did say, oh, I'm against discrimination, but I don't think the civil rights bill would be signed. So one provision, I think, should have been passed. So one provision. You're saying it should have been like much more. Should have been whittled down and it should have been this massive, overreaching monstrosity.

Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.