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All right. Well, before I get to Bill Federer here and I just want to show the new Trump ad attacking Kamala Harris, I think this is great. It's some breaking news. Let's play cut 78. Talking about the significance of the passage of time. Right. The significance of the passage of time.
So when you think about it, there is great significance to the passage of time in terms of what we need to do to lay these wires, what we need to do to create these jobs. And there is such great significance to the passage of time. So the importance of community banks is they are as they are called. They're in the community, led by members of the community.
They are people who understand the capacity of the community, the needs of the community, the culture of the community. Space is exciting. It is time for us to do what we have been doing, and that time is every day. Every day it is time for us to agree that there are things and tools that are available to us to slow this thing down.
I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by what has been, you know? That's real. That is real. Happy Independence Day weekend, everybody. Joining us now is Bill Federer, a great American. Bill, welcome to the program. So, Bill, let me ask you. Hey, Charlie, good to be here. You're a historian, a master historian. In American history, has there ever been a president removed from office that you know of that was running for re-election in such a fashion that we're about to see?
No, no. We do have 1919 when Woodrow Wilson, a Democrat, had a stroke and his wife, Edith Bolling Galt, was the liaison. So the senators would come to the bedroom door and she would get the message and supposedly go in and talk to him, but come back and tell the answer. And nobody knows if he was really cognizant or if she was just running the country for two years.
But he wasn't running for running for reelection. So this is definitely a unique situation. So, Bill, they're talking about potentially the 25th Amendment. What is the origination of the 25th Amendment and how would that potentially work if it was invoked against Joe Biden? Yeah, well, it would be the cabinet deciding that he was no longer capable of fulfilling the duties of the office and they would vote him out. And then the president
vice president would be there. And if she didn't fulfill the role, then it would be the speaker of the house. And the succession was put in place after the Nixon situation of Watergate. But it is a removal of the president. You know, one of the
Things I've looked at is Athens in 430 B.C. had a leader named Pericles.
And he tried to impeach his competitor, Simone, twice. And that was called ostracizing, where you get 6,000 citizens to vote to cancel somebody's career. But then Pericles moved the treasury from the island of Delos to Athens. He's borrowing from it. He's getting them in debt. And his family members are being involved in corruption. And when he's losing popularity,
that there's talk of ostracizing him, which would be like the invoking of the 25th Amendment. And he didn't wanna give up power. And so he intentionally let relations with Sparta deteriorate to get into a war. He wanted to get into like a NATO war. Why? Because then people would stop trying to criticize him and they would want a strong leader. So that became the pattern. Matter of fact, it's the theme
theme of the movie Wag the Dog with Robert De Niro and Dustin Hoffman. When a leader is becoming unpopular and there's talk of wanting to get rid of him, then his next response is to let the country get into a war. So I'm hoping that's not the case with Biden. But I do think that there are three scenarios.
When a tyrant has two tools in his toolbox, fraud and force, fraud is they lie to the public and the public allows themselves to believe the lies. But when they don't believe the lies anymore and the fraud is not working, the next is force. And so they purge the military and the Department of Justice of anybody with virtue and they begin to use that as an enforcement arm.
And then there's the three steps is they target their political opponents. The second is they create insurrections within the country and blame them on their political opponents and then use the military and law enforcement to get rid of their opponents. But then the third thing is you allow the country to get into a foreign war. So those are the scenarios when a leader becomes unpopular and doesn't want to get out of office is...
is you can expect the fraud's no longer working. The force is their only other tool in their toolbox. So, Bill, if Kamala Harris were then to become president via the 25th Amendment, who then becomes vice president? Does she get to choose who the vice president is based on that Nixon era law? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, so that's when they think, well, would she pick a Gavin Newsom or somebody like that? But yeah, it's up for grabs as to who could be picked as the vice president. Yeah, Gavin Newsom's not really being discussed too much right now. I want to get now to Independence Day weekend and the significance of...
It could always be Michelle Obama. That one is like looming in the in the background here. The greatest revolution that has ever taken place in world's history. That's what Ronald Reagan said. Tell us about the historical and the moral significance of July 4th, 1776.
Yeah, this is a big deal that we don't appreciate until we zoom out and look at all the history. So a few years ago, I had a project and I thought I would read through every single century of recorded human history to find out what the most common form of government is. And it's gangs, right? That's the default setting. Gangs, clans, tribes. And so if we were to get rid of all police tomorrow, you'd have gangs. And a gang leader with enough weapons, we call a king.
or a pharaoh, or a Caesar, or a Kaiser, or Sultan-Tsar. And as the centuries go on, the weapons improve, and the kingdoms get bigger. So instead of Cain killing Abel with a rock, they can kill with a bronze weapon, an iron weapon, a failing spear, a submeter sword, gunpowder, an English longbow, the Vikings had boats with low keels. The weapon improves, but it's that same fallen nature of Cain killing Abel. And with technological advancements, kings can track more people.
To BC, Augustus Caesar wanted a worldwide tracking system. It was called the census, a tax enrollment. If he could have had access to 5G and cell phones and facial recognition software, I bet he'd have attempted to use that. And so these kingdoms keep getting bigger and bigger until finally the King of England
had the biggest empire that planet Earth had ever seen. The sun never set on the British Empire. He had India, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, British Guiana, Canada, Barbados, Bermuda, Jamaica, and America. The King of England was a globalist. He was the Klaus Schwab, George Soros of the day. He was a one-world government guy with him at the top. And America's founders decided they didn't like one-world government guys telling us what to do.
So they broke away and flipped it and made the people the king. So the word citizen is Greek. It means co-ruler, co-sovereign, co-king. So kings have subjects who are subjected to their will. Democracies and republics have citizens. So our founders, for all their faults, gave us a present. And that present is we get to be the king of our life and all of us together are the king of the country. What makes America great is it's a polarity change in the flow of power on planet Earth.
on instead of top down it's bottom up and and i go through i did a new book called silence equals consent right but i go through that the founders got their idea from the new england pastors who got their idea from the bible what part of the bible that first 400 years out of egypt before king saul right so around 1400 bc you have millions of israelites come out of egypt and for four centuries no king the total anomaly
And it works because every citizen is taught the law and personally accountable to God to follow it. And so this Hebrew Republic was modeled in New England with the Puritans, and they taught Hebrew at Yale and Harvard. But then they stopped teaching the law in ancient Israel. And you got sodomites banging on doors and concubines being raped to death. And they all go to Samuel the prophet. And they say the self-government's not working. We want to be like the other countries. We want a king.
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So the kings of England looked to the Bible for their authority, but they looked to the King Saul and on part of the Bible, the divine right of kings. God chose me and I'm going to rule through fear. I got an army. The Calvinist Puritans and Baptists and Presbyterians and Quakers had founded the colonies in America. They looked to the pre-King Saul part of the Bible. Both of them are looking to the Bible for their authority, but one is King Saul and on and the other is pre-King Saul, the Hebrew Republic. Why is this important?
Romans 13, which is the verse that says, let everyone be subject to the governing authorities. Romans 13 is understood differently in a monarchy versus a republic. In a monarchy, subjects submit to the king. In a republic, the citizens are the king.
Right. And so the pastors say, oh, he's got to submit to the government. They need to pick up and go to China. Right. Or when Nebuchadnezzar blows the trumpet, they just bow. But in America, we're the pre King Saul part of the Bible. We're where the citizens are accountable to God and we're all taught the law and we all have a conscience. So so anyway, so we were breaking away from King George, the third, the most powerful king that the planet had ever seen. He was a globalist.
And they knew that people in the future might say, well, you did something wrong by rebelling. So they listed 27 reasons, 27 abuses that the king was effectively unkinging himself for.
Right. It was John Calvin said when the kings stop acting according to the Bible, they they basically legit delegitimize their authority. And so these 27 reasons listed in the declaration include a two tier justice system that he has made judges dependent on his will alone.
And the king had weaponized bureaucracy. He has erected a multitude of offices and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people and eat out our substance. The king imposed martial law. He's kept among us in times of peace, standing armies, subjected us to jurisdiction of foreign to our constitution, quartering troops. And then the king targeted political opposition.
for depriving us in many cases of the benefit of trial by jury, for establishing an arbitrary government, for altering fundamentally the form of our government. And then the king turned law enforcement and military against his own subjects. Could you imagine a government doing that? He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coast, burnt our town, destroyed our lives. He is this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries. And then he says,
created domestic insurrection. He has excited domestic insurrection among us, has endeavored to bring the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages whose known rule of warfare is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions. So the Americans and the Indians were getting along, but the British come in and stir them up to attack.
Could you imagine a foreign government wanting to break America into groups and then stir them up to attack each other and cause this division, right? Karl Marx eventually called this critical theory, where you break a country into groups and pit the groups against each other. So Thomas Jefferson was 33 years old when he wrote his draft of the Declaration of Independence, 33 years old. And now in his original draft, Jefferson condemned the king for slavery.
The king was a part owner of the Royal African Company. And so many colonies wanted to get rid of slavery, but the king wouldn't let them because he was making money off it. And so Jefferson writes, the king has waged cruel war against human nature itself in the persons of a distant people who has never offended him, captivating and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere to incur miserable death in their transportation deserts.
dither, suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or restrain this exorable commerce, determining to keep open a market where men should be bought and sold. Unfortunately, South Carolina and Georgia didn't go along with that. And since the British had just invaded New York, they panicked and they said, we'll deal with that later.
how we wish they would have dealt with it right then. But nevertheless, the idea was we'll break away from the king and we'll wrestle with that problem later, which Lincoln eventually did. Bill, that was an amazing analysis. We're going to ask about
The Christian Roots of the Declaration. How 55 out of 56 of the signers were Bible-believing, church-attending Christians. I want to get into the roots from Deuteronomy to the Old Testament. You mentioned this, but I really want to get deeper and reject the premise that, oh, the founders were just a bunch of deists. Bill Federer is with us. Name of the book again, Bill? Silence is Consent.
Right. Silence equals consent. The sin of omission. Speak now or forever lose your freedom. And it goes to if you're silent at a wedding ceremony, you're given your consent. And if church members are silent when they're killing kids, they're given their consent. And if you're given consent, you're an accessory and you'll be judged. Hey, everybody. Charlie Kirk here is the bird flu. The next pandemic. Why do globalists keep talking about disease X? Everyone knows the next medical crisis is just around the corner. I refuse to lock down again or take another experimental vaccine. What can I do?
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Bill, what do you have to say to the notion that some people say Christianity had nothing to do with the American founding? Well, they haven't read it. Every colony was started by a different Christian denomination. Virginia was Anglican. Massachusetts was Puritan. Rhode Island was Baptist. New York was Dutch Reformed. Delaware and New Jersey were originally Swedish Lutheran. Connecticut and New Hampshire were Congregationalists. Maryland Catholic, Pennsylvania Quaker, and they did not get along. And
And they'd tar and feather each other's, but then they had to work together against the king. After the revolution, their attitude changed to, we may not always agree on religion, but you are willing to fight and die for my freedom. I need to let you practice your faith.
And now the signers of the declaration, 26 of them were Episcopalian, 11 were Presbyterian, seven Congregationalist, two Lutherans, two Dutch Reformed, two Methodists, two Quakers, two Roman Catholics, and Dr. Ben Franklin, who was raised Presbyterian and then began to absent himself from church, but he gave to all the denominations that approached him and he called for prayer at the Constitutional Convention. And so one of the things I did
I read through every colonial charter and every state constitution and every revision and amendment to every state constitution. And from the beginning of the state till now, and I was amazed that you in seven, excuse me, nine of the 13 states, you had to be a Protestant Christian to hold state office in the state constitution. You had to be a Protestant. Three states were liberal and said, all you had to do is be a plain Christian and
And then one had zero religious requirements, Rhode Island founded by Baptists. They said if you required someone to be a Christian, they could say they were even if they weren't. And that would be hypocritical. So just vote for the best Christian person you know.
But here's, for example, Delaware. It was the first state to ratify the U.S. Constitution. And it stated in its existing constitution at the same time it ratified the U.S. Constitution, Delaware said, every person appointed to any office shall subscribe. I profess faith in God the Father, Jesus Christ, his only Son, the Holy Ghost, one God, blessed forevermore. And I do acknowledge the scriptures of the Old and New Testament to begin by divine inspiration.
Pennsylvania was the second state to ratify the U.S. Constitution. At that exact time, its Constitution, that was signed by Ben Franklin, said every member before he takes his seat shall subscribe. I do believe in one God, creator and governor of the universe, rewarder of the good, the punisher of the wicked, and I do acknowledge the scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by divine inspiration. Ben Franklin signed that. You not only had to lay your hand on a book,
Bible, just where in the office you had to swear you believed in the Bible. New Jersey was the third state to ratify the U.S. Constitution. At that exact time, its constitution said all persons professing a belief in the faith of any Protestant sect
S-E-C-T, shall demean themselves peacefully, shall be capable of being elected. Georgia was the fourth state in its 1777 Constitution. Representatives shall be chosen out of each county, and they shall be of the Protestant religion. Connecticut kept its original colonial charter, which talked about the free fruition of liberties such as Christianity would call for.
Massachusetts, the sixth state to ratify the Constitution. It says any person, and John Adams wrote this, by the way, and it's Massachusetts state constitution was adopted in 1780, seven years before the U.S. Constitution. So it legally is the oldest still functioning constitution in world history. So John Adams wrote it. It says any person before he executes the duty of his office shall subscribe. Okay.
I declare that I believe the Christian religion and have a firm persuasion of its truth, and the legislature shall authorize the support and maintenance of public Protestant teachers of piety, religion, and morality. That was the beginning of the public school system. It was the state authorizing public Protestant teachers of piety, religion, and morality. Maryland, which was originally Catholic, then it broadened.
In 1776, the state constitution said no other test is required than an oath of support to the state and a declaration of belief in the Christian religion. Now, they thought that was pretty generous, right? Because before then, you had to be Anglican, and they were discriminated against the Catholics who founded the colony. Then Maryland changed it in 1851 to allow Jews to hold office.
And then here's South Carolina. It was the eighth state to ratify the Constitution. And in its 1778 state constitution says no person shall be eligible for a seat unless he be of the Protestant religion. The Christian Protestant religion shall be deemed the established religion of the state. People say, well, they wanted America to be a Christian. Why didn't they just establish a Christian? Well, South Carolina did. It says right there, the Christian Protestant religion shall be deemed the established religion of the state.
New Hampshire was the ninth state, 1784 Constitution. No person shall be capable of being elected who's not of the Protestant religion. Virginia, the tenth state, it said in its 1776 Constitution. It is the duty to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity, one towards each other. And that's still in there. And then New York, 1776.
It says, the liberty of conscience hereby granted shall not be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness. What is licentiousness? Sorry to interrupt, Bill, but that's so important. Can you contrast liberty, what one ought to do, versus licentiousness, which is indulgence? We don't use that word licentiousness. It could be most akin to license or indulgence or the lower impulses of indulgence.
the being please avarice. Yeah. Licentiousness is under strained immorality and it's sexual. And so this is the New York constitution. It says that we've granted freedom of conscience, but that liberty of conscience shall not be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness today. It's flipped. And now they say, well, if you, unless you embrace licentiousness, we're going to discriminate against you. And yeah,
And then North Carolina, I had dinner with their chief justice of the North Carolina Supreme Court, Paul Newby. And we were talking state constitutions and he reaffirmed that, yeah, the original 1776 North Carolina constitution says no person who shall deny the being of God or the truth of the Protestant religion or the divine authority of the older New Testament shall be capable of holding office. And it's still in the North Carolina constitution.
that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, charity one another. The Christianity is the first duty of a civilized and Christian state. Care for the poor is the first duty of a civilized and Christian state.
Anyway, I could go through them all. John F. Kennedy stated, this country was founded by men and women dedicated to two propositions. First, a strong religious conviction. Secondly, a recognition that this conviction could flourish only under a system of freedom. The Puritans and pilgrims of my own section of New England, Quakers of Pennsylvania, Catholics of Maryland, Presbyterians of North Carolina, Methodists and Baptists all shared these great traditions.
So, so for, I've talked to people who've written books on the First Amendment. And I said, have you read through the state constitutions? And their face goes blank. It's like, hello, you know, federal constitution, state constitution, laws governing behavior under state's jurisdiction. It's like this totally misses them.
And when Hugo Black, which was the 1947 Everson case that took religion out of state's jurisdiction and put it under the federal, when he was asked if he had ever read through the debates of the First Amendment, he admitted that he had not.
And so he'd only been a police court judge for one year. What did those debates show, Bill? What was the significance of them? Their concern was they didn't want one Christian denomination to be chosen as the national denomination in preference to all the others, which is what many of the colonies had.
I mean, there was no Catholic church in Virginia until 1795 because Catholics were not allowed. In Europe, you had Northern Germany and Sweden were Lutheran. Excuse me, Scotland was Presbyterian.
Holland was Dutch Reformed. England was Anglican. Switzerland was Calvinist. Italy, Spain, France, Austria, Poland were Catholic. Romania was Romanian Orthodox. Russia was Russian Orthodox. Greece was Greek Orthodox. It was one denomination per country. And they were afraid that America was going to pick one denomination, Episcopal, maybe Congregational, maybe Presbyterian. And the states that pushed the most for a First Amendment
was Massachusetts and Connecticut. Why? Because they had established the Puritan faith in Connecticut up until 1818 and in Massachusetts up until 1833. You could not hold office in Massachusetts prior to 1833 unless you were a member of the Congregational Church. So they were afraid that they'd have a federal Walmart come into town and put out a business, their mom and pop denomination. You had...
James Meacham, who was a congressman, he wrote this in 1854. At the adoption of the Constitution, we believe every state, certainly 10 of the 13, provided as regularly for the support of the church as for the support of the government. Down to the Revolution, every colony did sustain religion.
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Bill, when they call us a Christian nationalist, how shall we counter? Nationalism is the opposite of globalism. There are people called globalists that want to one world government. One is Brock Chisholm, the first director of the World Health Organization. And he said to achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their national patriotism. So globalists hate people that want to preserve their nations and
And second is nationalism depends on the nation.
So in socialist nations like the USSR or Nazi, which stood for National Socialist Workers Party, there's no individual rights. Nationalism is bad. But in our nation, we're guaranteeing individual rights, right? Freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of conscience, freedom of right to trial by a jury of your peers, freedom to possess arms and defend yourself. And so to top it all off, we're a government from the consent of the governed.
So we get to be in charge. That's sort of a good thing. So nationalism is bad in other countries, socialist countries. And in our country, it's good to want to preserve our freedoms. And then thirdly, Christian nationalism used to be called Christian patriotism. I have a No Webster's 1828 dictionary. The word nationalism is not in there. The word patriotism is love of one country. And every leader encouraged it.
George Washington at Valley Forge said to the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to laud the more distinguished character of Christian. Lincoln's inaugural, he said, intelligence, patriotism, Christianity are still competent to adjust in the best way our present difficulty. He mentions patriotism and Christianity right next to each other in his inaugural. You have FDR passing out Gideon's New Testaments and Book of Psalms to all the soldiers in World War II.
And he says, as commander in chief, I take pleasure in commending the reading of the Bible to all who serve in the armed forces. I'd love for the mainstream media to call Franklin Roosevelt the Christian nationalist. And then Eisenhower, 1954, said any group that awakens us is a dedicated patriotic group that can take the Bible in one hand, the flag in the other, and march ahead.
And even in 1965, 93% of Americans identified themselves as Christian. 1965, 93% of Americans identified as Christian.
69% Protestant, 24% Catholic, and then 3% of the country was Jewish. So it was no problem being a Christian, wanting to defend your nation, but the left is doing something called projection. They're blaming us for what they're doing. They're wanting to set up a woke nationalism, right? They're wanting to send a transgendered nationalism. They want Satanist theocracy. And so they're accusing us. It's like Potiphar's wife in the Bible accused Joseph of lusting after her when she was lusting after him.
And so, you know, why do they call pro-life organizations anti-abortion? There's no pro-life group that puts on their sign anti-abortion group. No, they put pro-life. But every single news article will call pro-life people anti-abortion. Why do they do that? Negative word association. Why do they call Christian patriots, Christian nationalists? Negative word association.
And the people that are behind this are Rockefeller Soros. They're giving money to woke seminaries to teach Christians not to get involved. Yet at the same time, they're giving money to LGBTQ activists to get them involved. What a great strategy, right? Shame your opponents into not being involved by smearing them with a derogatory boogeyman name. At the same time, they're giving money to get their supporters involved.
And so those are the three things. Nationalism is the opposite of globalism. Nationalism depends on the nation. And Christian nationalism used to be called Christian patriotism. And every leader used to be in favor of it. Thank you so much, Bill. That was wonderful. Happy Independence Day, Bill. And we always turn to you on these patriotic holiday weekends. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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