2024 is Trump's Strongest Campaign Ever
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The man who was behind the magic in 2016 joins us now. It is Corey Lewandowski, great American, and he is a senior advisor in hopefully recreating that magic here in the 2024 race. Corey, great to see you. Thanks for having me, Charlie. So, Corey, let's start here. What is the state of the race? It is hard to tell. The media is not giving an accurate depiction or portrayal. You're in the...

inner sanctum. What's going on? Where do things stand? Look, where things stand very candidly are Donald Trump is in the greatest position he's ever been in. When you look historically, whether it's at 2020 or the 2016 election, he's in a stronger position now in every one of the battleground states than he was four or eight years ago. He's also in a stronger position on the national scale. So while the national polls don't matter, what we're seeing in the battleground states, whether you look at Wisconsin or

Pennsylvania, you look at Michigan or Arizona, we are running ahead anywhere from two to seven points from where we were either four or eight years ago. And what that means is, look, four years ago, we saw an enormous amount of mail-in ballots transpiring, particularly in the battleground states because of this COVID phenomenon. We're not seeing that. We're seeing in the states that already had their ballots sent out,

The mean is going back to where we were in 2016. We're not seeing as many early votes transpiring, going back to the mean of where things were in 2016. All those things are very positive signs for this campaign. Corey, I think that's a really smart point. And I look back to even 2016 at this point. There was very little infrastructure. It was a pure movement.

took the bad guys by surprise. I mean, you were right then and there helping orchestrate everything, where this campaign is far more sophisticated. I mean that not in a way to banish 2016 campaign, but let's be honest, right? That was not exactly premier sophistication. It was President Trump and you and 10 or 12 others that gutted that out. But there is a depth to this campaign that I think is noteworthy and also a precision that

Corey, back in 2020, Donald Trump had to do multiple rallies in Iowa, Ohio, Florida. There's no current plans, maybe to do a rally here or there, to water those plants. It looks as if those are largely good and we can focus on the decisive states. Is that correct?

It is correct, Charlie. But here's the other thing. We're on the offense. OK, when you look at our polling data in what has not really been a strong state like Virginia, and we're running even or ahead in both the public data and the private data, you look at the same in Minnesota, states where, you know, historically, particularly with a vice presidential nominee on the Democrat side who's from there, and we're within the margin of error, what it's showing is we have the opportunity to expand the map. Yes, everyone is familiar with the seven battleground states.

and the two congressional districts, Maine 2 and Nebraska, that could go differently. But the reality was we looked at these scenarios back in 16 and again in 20. Today, unlike in 2020, we don't need to be in Florida. We don't need to be in Iowa.

And the battle, what has historically been the battleground state of Ohio, you know, the last poll that I saw is Donald Trump has about a 14 point lead. Now, that's not to say we will take anything for granted, but that is to show the strength of the campaign that has been built and the sophistication of not just the campaign, but of the candidate who has really honed his message now and is delivering that message over the last 40 days.

And let's talk about what that message is, Corey. It's inflation. It's immigration. In a crisp manner, what is the winning message? What is your polling show, the vibe of the kind of emphasis that we need to have right now?

Well, it's very simple. You know, everybody remembers how good the economy was four years ago when he was the president of the United States and a rising tide lifted all boats. It didn't matter if you were rich or poor, black, white, green, orange, or blue. It didn't matter your socioeconomic status, your religion, or your ethnicity. Everybody benefited from a Trump administration. And so that is what we're going to recreate. We're going to recreate the opportunity for everyone to have more prosperity in the smaller government. That's first and foremost, because the pocketbook issues are

always what drives presidential campaigns. And everybody knows the cost of food, the cost of fuel, the cost of home heating oil, et cetera, continues to escalate because of the policies of the Biden-Harris-Walls administration. And you couple that with this devastating issue of illegal immigration.

Now, the government says 10 million people have crossed the border. You and I both know it's probably closer to 20 million. At least 100 people on the terrorist watch list have come in. They're not coming for our beaches, Charlie. They're coming because they want to invade our country. We've seen that in Aurora, Colorado specifically.

where migrant gangs are taking over our communities. And they're doing so because Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and Tim Walz have allowed it. And now what do we see? Kamala is finally going to make her first trip to the border because she understands that the second most important issue behind the economy is the issue of illegal immigration. She's called the wall of vanity project. She's been against the wall for the last three and a half years. They've done nothing to stop this porous border on the northern or the southern border. And people's lives are ruined because of it.

That's right. So let's go state by state here. Blake, can you help navigate these maps, please? Yeah, sure, sure, sure. So there's kind of different scenarios everyone's talking about. One we've talked a lot about here is the Nebraska winner-take-all map that's going to matter a lot. So that would be... which one is that?

Sorry, just looking through here. I think 153 is the no winner take all map. So we've talked a lot about this one. This is probably it's the single most likely outcome, I think. So 153, that is where we lose by one electoral vote because we lose Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania. It would be a tie with winner take all. We didn't get it.

There's another one we've talked about as a possibility. This is one... Go to the next one, 154. That is where we could get Pennsylvania, get Georgia, get Arizona, but we'd lose because we dropped North Carolina due to unfortunate developments. But there's more optimistic maps that we could have. So I want to bring up... Let's do...

157. So this is going to be a far more upbeat map we're looking at, but there's a prognosticator I've been looking at, and he has a map where if you take 2020s polling miss, because there were some huge misses in certain states like Wisconsin, if you just assume that that level of shy Trump voter is in effect again, and they were thinking it wouldn't be there in 2020, and it was, so maybe it'll be here in 2024 again.

If you just take the current polls and imagine, oh, there's a lot of missing Trump voters again, we get a really good result. We get Wisconsin. We get Michigan. We get Pennsylvania. We get back Arizona. We flip Nevada. We flip Georgia. That's what would happen because right now we're polling way, way better than we did in 2020. And that should be a sign for optimism. It's easy to forget. 2020 was really close, but the polls, it looked brutal for us. It looked like we were going to get destroyed. Your reaction to all that, Corey?

Yeah, I think you're right, Louisa. I think the easiest strategy, when I say the easiest, the most traditional strategy is North Carolina, Georgia, and you add Pennsylvania's 19 electoral votes to it, and you get us to 270. The reality, in my opinion, is...

And his history proves this. Depending on how Pennsylvania goes, Wisconsin traditionally goes the same way. And that's been the case over the last multiple elections. So whether it's Donald Trump who wins them both, and you add Michigan to that in 16, or in the 2020 election, that's what's been the case here. Now,

Pennsylvania is the big white whale, right? Donald Trump wins that and gets the 19 electoral votes. But let's just say as an example, and I don't think it would happen, Donald Trump loses North Carolina. We have an opportunity to take back Arizona for sure and to flip Nevada. And you couple that with our victory in Georgia and all of a sudden we're there. But look, North Carolina has an enormous military population. We've known about this for a long time and they have been very aware of what the Biden-Harris-Walls administration has done to decimate our military, uh,

They're familiar with the Abbey Gate disaster and the withdrawal from Afghanistan, leaving billions of dollars behind. So we have a number of paths forward here. I believe Maine, too, falls with Donald Trump. I believe that we're still on the offense, which is a very different position than we were in in 2016. 2016, I think it's fair to say we took them by surprise. 2020, there was no surprises. He was in the White House. They knew he could win.

We had this COVID scenario in front of us, and we had a, by and large, a mainstream media who hates Donald Trump and hates his policies because he calls them out for their failures.

Now, what we have in 2020 is we have a level of intensity that I haven't seen in eight years, to be very honest. In 2020, people are afraid to be Donald Trump supporters. Now, as I drive around this country and I travel, I see businesses that had never been supportive of Donald Trump with a giant full by eight signs. And they're saying this is our last best hope, because if we lose this election, there's nowhere left to go. Corey, that's well said. I want to encourage the audience to get involved. Plug Trump Force 47.

Yeah, look, Trump Force 47 is our ground game. And what Turning Point is doing and what we're doing is we're getting volunteers engaged, whether it's on knocking on doors or making phone calls. This is where everyday Americans can go. It's not a place that we're soliciting money from. But Trump Force 47 is the opportunity for people who want to make a difference in their country to join us, to go to our website, to sign up, to make phone calls from home, to find captains in their areas, particularly in the battleground states and the two battleground congressional districts that we

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which is how should people vote? I'm a believer in early voting. I'm not here to change someone's voting habits if you've been voting on Election Day for the last 40 years. But, Corey, it is time that we...

celebrate early voting for people that have busy lives or might be first-time voters. It is necessary. Corey, what is your take on this? Charlie, my take is any way that is legal, they should be doing it. If they have the opportunity to vote early, go vote early. If they have the opportunity because they have gotten a ballot to vote absentee, vote absentee. Do not wait until election day. We cannot allow the...

Democrats to secure all of this massively going into Election Day, knowing that our people are going to show up. So my position is go and vote early. If you have that opportunity and you already have a ballot executed, you don't know what could happen on Election Day. So take every resource available to us and go do that immediately. Don't wait. Don't waste another day. Fill out your ballot for Donald Trump today and send it back in. Our movement is so big.

And so energized. Shouldn't we give our people more days, not less days to go vote? The truth is, if it was an ideal world, everyone would vote on one day. But that's not where we are right now.

It's not voting day or voting week. It's voting month. Ballots are out in multiple states right now. North Carolina has ballots out. Pennsylvania has ballots out. Wisconsin. So, you know, the deal is this. Go and start voting. If your ballot came to your home, what are you leaving it sitting around for for the next 40 days to then show up? Because it also gives you the opportunity, Charlie, that when you send your ballot back, you can get it back.

You can go and verify it has been returned on time. You can verify that no one else is going to show up and vote for you. So there's an integrity issue here. Do I trust the U.S. Postal Service? Probably not. Do I trust our own people to vote early and make sure that's accurate? You bet I do. There's a good kind of heuristic that people use in outside politics just for getting things done and avoiding procrastination. If it takes less than five minutes and you need to do it, do it now.

Just do it now. And that should easily be how it is with any mail-in ballot. It takes less than five minutes. You take it out, put it in the envelope, fill it up, put it in the envelope, put on a stamp, put it in the mail. Five minutes. Once you have it, do it now, not later. And we can't afford any sort of leakage or drop-off of our movement. And Corey, you remember back in the midterms here in our home state of Arizona, the long lines of Cary Lake, the machine tabulator failures. We cannot possibly...

repeat that sort of error and that kind of a mistake. So, Corey, the president notoriously in closing here is the best closer in politics. And the last 30 days is where he just gets Tom Brady,

And it's fourth quarter. Can you give us some insight, a little bit of a tease? What can we expect from President Trump from a schedule wise, from geographic crisscrossing the country? What can we expect from President Trump? Mariana Rivera of politics. Donald Trump has a whole schedule and you guys have seen what he's capable of doing in the past and what he continues to do at 78 years old.

You know, tomorrow we're in Pennsylvania. I'm sorry, tomorrow we're in Michigan. Today we're in New York. Yesterday we were in North Carolina. On Saturday we're in Wisconsin and in Alabama for the Georgia-Tuscaloosa football game down there against Alabama. Sunday we're back in some other state. I mean, Charlie, look, if I told you if I had the schedule in front of me, you'd say there's no way one human being is going to be able to do all this.

because there are no days off with 40 days to go. He's going to be doing two, three and four events a day. And you juxtapose that with Kamala Harris, who is going to do one event and sit down with one friendly reporter who basically has given her the questions ahead of time. And she still fumbles the interview. So, you know, I love Donald Trump's energy. I love his stamina. I love the fact that

He's a big game player. He's the guy you want the ball in his hands with seconds to go and the clock running down because you know he's always going to deliver. He has ice water running through his veins, and he is so focused on this election. He knows what's at stake for him, our country, and the world that he's willing to do anything that is asked of him right now, crisscross this country, talk to every voter, and leave nothing on the table and run through the tape in 40 days from today. Just so everyone understands, back in 2020, Corey, you were not involved at that time. The campaign ran out of money.

And Donald Trump did 45 events in 25 days. It was one of the most insane schedule. And he literally brought the entire election to a competitive place. And I think actually the victory, but that's a separate issue. If he does anything close to that, he's gonna be tough to beat. Corey, thank you so much. Thanks, Charlie. tpaction.com slash 100. Okay, want to have a cookie poll?

I guess we could. This is interesting stuff, right? It's funny because we're trying to figure out there's two different cookie polls. Yeah, there's a lot of cookie confusion. Yeah, yeah. So there's one in Cincinnati and there's one in Minnesota. So how does this work? There are these bakeries. They come in and they're like, hey, do you want to buy a Trump cookie or a Kamala cookie? And they tally it up.

And they tally up who's sold more cookies. And so the one I'm looking at right now, there's Buskin Bakery in Cincinnati, and they put a face. They have a Kamala face cookie and a Trump face cookie. And until 2020, they always got it right. And then in 2020, the winner is...

was Trump, but he did not win the election. We can think about that one a bit. There's also one in Minnesota that's been in the news, and that one got almost all of them right, but then in 2016, they had Hillary win. Just so we're clear, back in 2020, this was like the thing where people were like, Charlie, he's going to win because of the cookie pull. And it actually was super close.

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Joining us now is a good old friend of mine, known you for about 10 years. Decade. I think 12. Isn't that crazy? Francisco Gonzalez, CEO of Fearless Journeys and the host of the Agent Innovation podcast. I got that right? Agents of Innovation. Yes, sir. Speaking of an agent of innovation, I'm looking at one right now. Oh, thank you. So I want to head you on to commemorate Adam Angieschi. We haven't talked about this on air yet. He passed away suddenly and recently. Who was Adam Angieschi? So Adam was the...

basically the president and CEO of Open the Books. That's what he's known for, right? They are the largest private database in the world of government records. And, you know, you mentioned agents of innovation. Charlie, I had Adam on my podcast about four years ago because he was an agent of innovation in this space. I mean, if we look back at the founding of this country, you know,

Our founders were the biggest innovators in free and open government. And Adam wanted to continue that trend and said, you know, we live in a world now with

all the technology, right, that can make everything so accessible to us. Why shouldn't every dime of the government be online in real time? And he actually made over 80 percent, you know, with a lot of his efforts being spearheaded through Open the Books, over 80 percent of all government funds in this country, local, state and federal, are online almost in real time.

So you can dive into those records. Adam was a uniquely American story and was a crusader for American transparency. And yet the first time I met him, he was a Chicagoan just like me. He said, I want the whole government checkbook to be transparent, which, by the way, I think anyone running for president should adopt this. It's just such a smart political thing. We want every dime of federal spending online in real time.

True transparency from if you're buying a cookie at the Department of Energy or you're buying a missile for the Department of Defense. And he started Open the Books. Talk about the impact that Adam had throughout his career. Yeah, well, you know, what's really interesting, he had a huge impact on doing that. And, you know, this wasn't somebody who, I mean, he's a conservative guy, but this is not a conservative issue. This is, like you said, this could be an issue for anybody across the political spectrum.

And the New York Times and the USA Today partnered with Adam on different transparency movements that he had, different things. But to me, what's really great about Adam's story is he wasn't always – he had run for governor of Illinois in 2010. As a Republican, that's almost an impossible task. But he did it to advance this issue, this public policy issue. So he continued to crusade on that in his own career over the next 14 years since he just passed last month.

But prior to that, Adam was an entrepreneur at heart. You know, he told me stories of him growing up in a small town in Illinois called Hersher, farm town, farm community. He said he woke up early every day. He never got a day to sleep in. He always he just worked his whole life. And he just it just instilled in him a work ethic. I mean, he had every he not only worked on the farm, he had a paper route. He was super hardworking. Yeah. And him and his brother in in the mid to late 90s, they started homepages directories and

which is basically, you know, we all know about those big, huge, you know, yellow books, those telephone books that would land on your doorstep. They seem almost obsolete today. But what Adam and his brother did is they said, you know, we don't need the huge telephone book. What most most of the business most people do in this country are within about three to five miles of their home.

So he focused on – and talk about an entrepreneur mindset. You're not going to compete in Chicago. Let's go and compete in the small towns that have less than 5,000 people and build these little small neighborhood directories. And that's how they were successful. But he also told me a story, Charlie, and every entrepreneur needs to understand this, of –

you're not going to be successful overnight, right? You're going to, there's going to be, so he said for the first five or six years of their business, they didn't make any profits. Like they just, everything went to their expenses, maybe the employees they had. And he says it wasn't until about, you know, year seven or eight that they actually started turning profits. And by year 10, they were a $20 million company. And he says, and then they were called an overnight success. So he said it took 10 years to get that overnight success. You know, a little bit,

You could talk about what you're doing at Turning Point, right? I mean, the first few years, a lot of people didn't see that grind, that hard work, and then all of a sudden you would just appear on the scene. And now you've got – you're reshaping everything from media to politics to everything. So it's just incredible. But people don't see a lot of that early work, and I think a lot of young entrepreneurs get really frustrated because they think things are going to be instant gratification, that they're going to have the success that Adam Angiewski had.

But yeah, he had great success as a business owner and translated a lot of those skills into what he did, not just politically trying to run for governor, but into this massive transparency movement. He was a dear friend of both of ours and a huge advocate for Turning Point USA. And what was he like in person? He was like a sparky guy. Adam, just every... Like a spark plug. Yeah, every communication I ever had with him, it was like a guy just...

exuded enthusiasm. Yes. I mean, even every email I ever got from him, it was like you could feel the presence, you know? That's what was so hard to believe, he passed away. Yeah, and he was a very healthy guy, 55 years old, ran marathons. So, you know, I don't know. The heartbreaking thing is he left behind his wife and three children. It's a very heartbreaking story. And, you know, passed away in his sleep.

It was some heart issue or something, right? Yeah, just his heart stopped. Yeah. And they don't know the reason why. I don't know. Yeah. It's just tragic. So the legacy, what would Adam want us to continue to fight for? Well, the sad thing is that he's not here with us physically. I think the great thing about somebody like Adam is the legacy he's leaving. As you mentioned, I mean...

You know, Open the Books is going to continue. I don't I personally don't know their new leadership or what their their plan is. But, you know, he's built he's built an institution there. And but he's really built an idea of of taking everything that the government, you know, spending everything, you know, all the public employees, who they are, how much money they make, why, you know, all these sorts of things, putting it online. I think the thing is that stuff continues.

can be online, Charlie, but nobody can use it. So we have to be proactive. If you're listening or watching this, wherever you're located, you know, whether if you're in a small town in Nebraska, if you're in a, if you're in a big city in Illinois, like wherever you're at, go online, you know, go to, you can start to go on to open the books. I mean, I just gave them a nice plug, but because they, they have all the links there of how to, how you can activate yourself. Because if we don't hold these people accountable in our own backyard, I mean, that was Adam's biggest message. He goes, look,

We have all of our eyes on Washington, D.C., and that's important. But if we don't first focus your eyes in your own backyard and seeing what people are spending, we saw this in the

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Look, somebody from there can give you all the logistics of the technology, but we have the technology, right? I mean, everything is in the palm of our hands now. Instead of just, you know, using it to scroll through TikTok videos, maybe do something, you know, influential and impactful in your own local government. And I mean, nobody, you know, we all we all...

We all complain about taxes, right? We all complain about the debts, the debts that our cities, states, and federal government are running. It all comes down to the spending. So what are they spending and why are they spending it? And by the way, they are, I mean, I was just in Colorado yesterday with a good friend of mine, and he was telling me he was just looking in Denver. He's like, you know how much money they spend every time they put one cone on the street? It's insane. And he started just looking into it, and he's like, you know, a lot of these are

people who politicians are connected to companies. What do they spend when they put a cone on this tree? Oh, he was telling me it's like $250 an hour just to put a cone. It's just what is attributed to that cone. So if you think there's no incentive for that construction company that's being paid by the government to pick up that cone, right? They can now bill the government and that's...

Who's the government? We're the government, right? And this is just a small thing that he saw. And no one ever audits this or has questions about it. So we've got to do it. Adam did the work. His group did the work to put this stuff online. We've got to now actually go online and hold our government accountable. And continue the transparency revolution. Yes. And you can do it all the way down to your local school board, to your mayor. And again, you cannot possibly cut spending if you don't know what you're spending money on.

Adam Angieschi...

was the most unappreciated transparency warrior on a very limited budget and a very thankless task. He did this for like 15 years. Every state agency, every local municipality. You could check it out at OpenTheBooks.com. It's just Yeoman's work that... It's funny. I wanted to have Adam on the show like a couple months ago. It didn't work and obviously passed away. It's like you look at this website, you're like, geez, this is incredibly difficult work to put together where he...

foyers it, he puts it together. And then these people realize, and he was the one that actually revealed a lot of the Anthony Fauci grants too. Yeah. Well, he was actually on my podcast in the middle of 2020. And he went off for a few minutes on just how, I mean, he actually called the COVID lockdowns of 2020, perhaps the worst public policy decision in over a century. And so I think

The amount of money that was spent, but the biggest thing is where was the money going, right? Because we all had this like – a lot of people had this idea that, well, we got to – the government shut us down, so we're owed money, right? And so they kind of – I think some people kind of gave our government overlords some benefit of the doubt on how much money they were spending for this brief period. But then as we look at where all this money ended up going –

had nothing to do with people's jobs or even anything to do with the health crisis of COVID. And so that's the type of stuff that, again, if you have the transparency movement and it's all online, we can find it. So hold people accountable.

That's right. Well, Adam Andrzejewski will be missed. He will be. Hopefully we will continue his legacy. Yeah, and one of these days we will put it in a presidential platform and into policy to make every dime of federal spending online in real time. How amazing would that be, guys, if every time the federal government has to spend money, they have to upload it so that you, the taxpayer, can see it? Because it's our money. We should be able to see what every agency is spending in real time on everything.

there's no reason why we shouldn't be able to do that. And that's how you then effectuate public consensus to cut spending. Yeah. And not only is there no reason to do that, watch out for the people who don't want to do that, right? Why not?

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Charlie, my book is called The American Dream is a Terrible Thing to Waste. And really, it's about how to build an entrepreneur mindset. You know, you mentioned before my podcast called The Agents of Innovation, which Adam Angiewski was on the podcast. And there's a chapter on Adam in the book. So really what I did is after I hit about 100 episodes, I've been doing this podcast, you know, now about eight or nine years, you know, one or two episodes a month, just interviewing entrepreneurs about their story. I'm really interested in their journey. You know, it's like...

It's like the journey of Charlie Kirk, right? Like where did you come from? What were all the challenges? What are all the ups and downs? So a lot of times when we meet a successful entrepreneur, we meet them at their point of success. We don't realize, like Adam said, after 10 years, he was an overnight success, right? So what I did is after I hit 100 episodes, I wanted to actually –

kind of celebrate the first hundred episodes by writing a book. And I brought together, I literally reviewed all the episodes and I said, what are the kind of 10 common characteristics of the entrepreneur? Well, entrepreneurs are problem solvers. They're lifelong learners. They're doers, right? I mean, it's important to be a dreamer.

It's more important to be a doer, right? You've got to be a doer. There are people who are also formed by experiences. Some of those experiences could be work ethic. Some of them could be travel experiences. But if you think about nowadays, we talk a lot about you don't necessarily need a college education, right? You didn't need one to do what you're doing. But you do need to have formative experiences of some kind because you just don't – work ethic doesn't just show up. You've got to actually build it over time. Incredible. I started asking a lot of my –

podcast guest over time what their first job was. I was shocked that so many of them, like Adam, had a paper route. That was just a common thing. They found time in the morning before school to earn a few bucks. That's the kind of thing that, you know, being an entrepreneur is not something that most people can do, but most people can build an entrepreneur mindset.

And why I called this the American dream is a terrible thing to waste is because right now, Charlie, you and I both know a lot of people are down on the American dream, especially young people. There's a lot of excuses, I think. But there's also a lot of, you know,

There's a lot of challenges in today's economy. There's inflation, right? Whether you want to thank Joe Biden for that or whoever you want to thank for that, there's a lot of issues. AI is on the horizon. I mean, it's becoming more of our life every day. Is that taking away jobs, right? So a lot of young people see a lot of opportunities being lost that maybe they think their parents or grandparents had more opportunities.

What I say, though, is let's recognize the challenges. Let's work in the public policy realm to fix some of those challenges. Right. But let's not forget that in this country, if you want to succeed, you can. And there are opportunities everywhere. Why do you think 11 million people have come across the border? Because they see opportunities everywhere here. I mean, immigrants walk into this country.

And they see opportunities everywhere, just like the entrepreneur sees opportunities where other people don't. Immigrants see opportunities where maybe, you know, us here that have been born and raised in the United States don't see as many. Maybe we see them being lost.

So I say that you can achieve the American dream. You can find those opportunities by building the entrepreneur mindset. What would you say is a unique characteristic that entrepreneurs have that people wouldn't always think of immediately? That people wouldn't always think of immediately? The lifelong learner one's interesting. Yeah, I think lifelong learner – one of the things that I really found with entrepreneurs, especially a lot of people on my podcast, because you –

You're in the middle of a conversation, not necessarily – how many times in the middle of an interview has somebody just mentioned a book that has been impactful to them or mentioned an author or something like that? And it's not even just reading a book. It could also be – I mean, why do people in business go to conferences, right? I think one of the biggest things is building a network. Everything is not – it's not just about what you know. It's who you know.

And entrepreneurs are always the kind of people that are building relationships. And so I think those are kind of the types of things. I'm going to be having actually a new book come out in a few months, which will be volume two. So the next 100 episodes or yeah. Well, actually, so I couldn't tell all the 100 stories in one book.

So I have about 45 stories in this book. I continue that in volume two. But in volume two, I come up with 10 new characteristics that are focused on the heart. And you also travel a lot. I get your emails. Yeah. You're always somewhere. And you've been in nine countries this year, right? Nine countries this year. This is still the greatest place on the planet. This is. Every time I travel, I think I've been to 34 countries now. That's a big number. It's a big number. Not quite Dennis Prager. You know Dennis is at 129.

Oh, wow. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. No, there's people that are closing in on all of them, right? So the one thing that you find, first of all, I think that travel is so, I encourage it because it's so formative to who I am. I totally agree. It forces you to get out of your house. Yeah, and even if you just travel to another state, right? For sure. Some people never leave their own state. They never leave. But I think what's important about even leaving the country, first of all, you find that there's a universal nature to human beings.

what they care about. But also, every time you leave the United States, it makes you appreciate this place more. Really do. Got to run. Francisco Gonzalez, put up the book one more time. The American Dream is a Terrible Thing to Waste. Purchase it. Francisco's a great man. And Adam, we miss you. We will continue your legacy. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening, and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

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