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Wait Wait DNC Dispatch #2

2024/8/22
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Peter Sagal: 在本次民主党全国代表大会上,最令人难忘的事件之一是拍摄2024年全国委员会全景照片。数万名与会者被要求保持静止,但由于现场气氛热烈,一位摄影师花了五分钟才让大家安静下来拍照。摄影师的努力和最终的成功,以及事后大家才得知之前的拍摄并非正式拍摄,都让这次经历充满喜剧色彩。此外,由于入场证件等级不同,为了争取座位,与会者之间甚至发生了冲突,这与伯尼·桑德斯呼吁的团结合作形成了鲜明对比。 Emma Choi: 我在民主党全国代表大会期间试图进入一个仅限市长的酒吧。我通过与一位市长幕僚长的交谈,成功地获得了进入酒吧的机会。在酒吧里,我采访了几位市长,发现他们大多没有随身携带城市钥匙,也没有穿着传统的礼帽和绶带。这与我之前对市长的刻板印象形成了反差,也展现了市长们平易近人的一面。 Ian Chillag: (由于Ian Chillag在该部分没有直接发言,此处仅补充其参与了节目的录制和讨论) Kathy Sheehan: 作为奥尔巴尼市长,我分享了市长群体是一个非常团结友爱的群体,并且超越党派之争。 Tashara Jones: 作为圣路易斯市长,我参与了节目的讨论,并与其他市长们进行了交流。 India Kincannon: 作为诺克斯维尔市长,我参与了节目的讨论,并与其他市长们进行了交流。 Brandon Sackbun: 作为特雷霍特市长,我参与了节目的讨论,并与其他市长们进行了交流。 Angie Nelson: 作为密歇根城市长,我参与了节目的讨论,并与其他市长们进行了交流。 Ryan Sorensen: 作为谢博伊根市长,我参与了节目的讨论,并与其他市长们进行了交流,并解释了市长绶带的穿着场合。 Molly Jong-Fast: 作为政治社交名流,我分享了华盛顿和纽约的社交礼仪差异:华盛顿更注重假装认识每一个人,而纽约则相反。

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The hosts discuss their experiences at the DNC, including getting lost in the United Center, witnessing the chaotic panoramic photo, and observing the hierarchy of credentials and resulting tensions.
  • The United Center is symmetrical and easy to get lost in.
  • Taking the official panoramic photo was a chaotic experience.
  • There's a hierarchy of credentials at the DNC, leading to competition for seats.

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Okay, there is the official music that we downloaded royalty-free. We are once again at the DNC in Chicago. This is our second dispatch. How's everybody's DNC step count looking? Mine was excellent. Just because I, well, got lost. That'll do it. You did. I did, in fact, get lost. I actually ended up...

And I should say the United Center is, of course, an arena, meaning that it's sort of oval-shaped. Yeah. And it's symmetrical on all axes almost, right? So at one point, I was desperately trying to find the NPR booth...

And I realized I couldn't find it. And I'm like, why can't I find it? Why did they hide it? I was here the night before. And I realized I was literally on the other side of the building from where it was. You were as far as possible as you could be. Exactly. And still be inside the building. Well, I guess technically in three dimensions, I could have been in the basement. I was at least on the right level. Speaking of the United Center. Yes. There's something that happened yesterday.

Imagine that you are in the United Center, which is, you know, it is a NBA arena and an NHL arena. It has a capacity of 25,000, 23,000 people. Something like that. It's full. And everybody is so excited. They have traveled from all across the country, all these territories, to fill this place. The energy is amazing. Everybody just wants to party.

There's music playing. The vibe is really good. And then at a certain point, someone comes on the PA and makes an announcement. We are about to take the official 2024 National Committee panoramic photographs. Which sounds like a great idea. Right. Then they say no one can move during this photo.

There are tens of thousands of people who are vibrating and they say, we're going to need you to be still for this photo. Then they say the camera is 110 years old.

And this is a fourth-generation photographer who has taken many a panoramic photo. They turn on his mic so that he can direct the crowd to be still. Please listen to Abbas, who is located in the center blue press stand in the center of the hall. He keeps telling everybody to stop moving. He is talking on a microphone to 20,000 people. There's some moving in the hall. Please, wherever you are, stay right there.

And then he begins singling out people who are moving. He's begging. He's negotiating. It's so funny. You can hear, like, listen to the frustration in his voice. So after all of that, listen to this.

He just said, here goes the real camera. Everything up to this point was not the real camera.

There's this feeling in the room that it's like a class photo and everyone was wrong in it and you're gonna have to write a note to the photographer later apologizing. And your mom will be mad because from when she gets her packet of photos she paid for, you're blurred. Yeah. How could you have been blurred? After, I'm gonna say five minutes of trying to get everyone to be still, we got here and

I congratulate all of you. Thank you for your passion. And people clearly were very happy, I think, to have this moment over with. Because that is the joy you're hearing. Did you guys note...

So this is one of the things I noted when I was lost and wandering around. So people should know that everybody at the convention has credentials, but not all credentials are the same. Each credential gets you just into a certain level. There's like one credential that only gets you in to the perimeter outside the building and another credential that gets you inside and another credential that gets into a certain level. And what that means is, is like,

Everybody was desperate to try to get into some place where they could sit, that they were allowed to sit. And when I was walking around, there were people who were standing in the back and angry about that, people who had given up affirmatively.

A friend of mine who was also up in the rafters, a volunteer at the DNC, actually said that a fight broke out between people vying for a seat in his section just after Bernie Sanders called for community and cooperation. Wow. So, yeah, things got dicey up there toward the end of the evening.

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Emma, after the photo, you got a text. Do you want to talk about what happened? Yes. So yesterday we talked about the mayor's pub, right, which is a bar and it's only for mayors. And earlier I had just loitered around the mayor's pub waiting to see if I could catch a mayor to bring me into the pub. Yeah, you and I went down there and we decided we would stand there and anybody who looked like they might be a mayor, we would go up and ask them if they were.

a mayor and if we could, if they would escort us in. Define looking like a mayor. Thank you for the question. I was looking for top hats and sashes. Not a lot of them there. But there was this one guy wearing a very nice suit and a yellow tie on his phone and I thought this guy might be Mr. Mayor. Excuse me? Hi, I work for NPR. Can I ask you a question? Quickly? Are you a mayor? No, I'm not.

What are you doing here? I'm a chief of staff to a mayor. Wait, really? Who's your mayor? Kathy Sheen from Albany, New York. Okay. Do you want to talk to her? Well, I would love to get into the mayor's pub. I'll text my mayor right now and see if she'll come. I love it. Okay, see you soon. See you soon. First try, I got a...

big bite and so anyways later after the roll call David the chief of staff text me he's like me and Mayor Sheehan are headed down to the mayor's pub meet us there and so I book it hi Mayor Sheehan so nice to meet you am I allowed to come in

The pub, just for a second, pub is like any bar, but it's all the decoration around the room is mayor themed. There's a neon sign called Mayors Matter and people are just milling around. It's like pretty busy and there's one thin velvet rope separating it from the outside hallway. Oh my God, I just stepped over the rope.

Are you going to get me into a... I'm not the boss of the rope, but you can come over the rope. Well, if this rope was in Albany, I feel like you'd be the boss of the rope. Oh, I would 100% be the boss of the rope, but the rope wouldn't be there, actually. So true. There would be no rope. Well, can you introduce yourself quickly to us? I'm Kathy Sheehan, and I'm the mayor of Albany, New York.

Do you have best mayor friends? I have lots of mayor friends. It is a really great group of people. And I will tell you this, it is the most bipartisan group of people that you could meet anywhere. We say all the time there are not Republican potholes and Democratic potholes. There are just potholes. I'm a little bit disappointed that I don't see anyone in this pub wearing a top hat and a sash. Wearing a what? A top hat and a sash.

Do you guys, where are they? Yeah, I don't know where those mayors are, but these mayors are dressed to get things done. Do you at least have a key to the city in your pocket? I do not have a key to the city in my pocket. Here, show him. I'm sorry, I don't. Is there any mayor friends here right now that you can introduce me to? Sure, I can introduce you to another mayor who is doing a lot of work for the campaign. Let me just grab Tashara Jones. She's mayor of St. Louis.

Hi, I'm Emma. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. I'm Mayor Tashara Jones from St. Louis, Missouri. Such a huge fan of your city. Do you have a key to the city on you? No, I don't carry them. Nobody has them on them. What's your top hat and your sash? No, I don't carry those around, but I do carry my cell phones. Yeah. For real? Yeah. Come on. I'm India Kincannon, the mayor of Knoxville, Tennessee. Do you have a key to the city on you? I do not.

They're sort of heavy. I'm sorry. I have a business card. How big are they? Oh, well, beyond your imagination. Sir, can you introduce yourself quickly? Yeah, my name's Mayor Brandon Sackbun, B-R-A-N-D-O-N, S-A-K-B-U-N. I'm the 28-year-old mayor of Terre Haute, Indiana. Oh, my gosh. Youngest mayor of, are you the youngest mayor of your town? Youngest mayor in Terre Haute history, yeah. Do you have a key to the city on you right now?

Do I have a key to the city on me? With all due respect, I'm a millennial. I don't use a lot of keys or cash. What mayor do you think we should talk to next? Ooh, have you chatted with Miss Mayor Angie Nelson from Michigan City, Indiana? Hello, I'm Emma. Nice to meet you. Hi, nice to meet you. Okay, every other mayor I've asked this has said no, but do you have a key to the city on you? No.

No. No one carries the keys to their cities? You know what? I was scared to bring my keys. Period. So, I'm only about an hour away from Chicago. Yeah. So, I left my keys at home so I wouldn't lose them. Okay. Fair enough. And then, no one... Oh, sorry.

This man over here is the first mayor I've seen, hopefully, wearing a sash. That's my guy from Sheboygan. Yeah, my name's Ryan Sorensen. I'm the mayor of Sheboygan, Wisconsin. And you guys are pals? Yes. Of course. You were the first mayor that I assumed... I assumed every mayor wears a top hat and a sash. Yeah. You were the first mayor who's wearing a sash. Well, of course, we've got to look the part. Us mayors have got to represent. There have been other mayors with sashes, but... Really? No.

Not right here, right now. Okay. I'm looking for them. Do you wear the sash every day? Not every day, no. Just for parades, festivals, and keg tappings. A what? Keg tappings. You know when you tap a keg to celebrate an event? Do you do an official mayoral keg stand? Not officially, no. Off the record? Off the record, maybe. Okay.

Peter, you went to a party. Yeah. Apparently, much of the action at this sort of thing happens at parties, so I felt I had to go to a party. I'm not a party guy, but I got an invitation to the Axios party because I have friends who are friends of the Chicago Axios. I think if there was ever a party for not a party guy, it's the Axios party. But it had the whole party experience. It was an event space.

They had a range of speakers. They had Kathy Hochul plus Gina Raimondo and Bill Daly, who was the brother of our mayor. So that's exciting. And there were a number of small fraction of people paying attention to what they were saying. And 70% of the people were going after the free food buffet like lions at a carcass of a wildebeest. Which one were you? I...

The line for the food was so long and I had just gotten in. I didn't want to immediately go into it. So I decided to wait until the line died down and I waited too long and they just broke down the whole buffet and it vanished. But so I felt a little bit at sea at this party. I'm not a party goer. I'm certainly not a political party goer, but I happened to run into Molly Jong fast at the convention. Now, Molly is an interesting person. She's a,

a political socialite. Her main thing is she has gathered all these political people who she's invited to her house for parties. So I said to her, you know, as a political socialite,

what is the key to a successful political party? It's pretending you remember everybody. Really? This is a D.C. versus New York thing. In New York, you go to school with someone, you know them your whole life, and they pretend they don't know you because they don't want to deal with you or whatever. In D.C., you may or may not have met the person a hundred times, you pretend you know them because people hate being forgotten and you just try to sort of

On the fly. So how do you do that? Do you go up to somebody and say, oh my God, it's so good to see you. The most important thing is they look at you, you look at them. There's some flicker of recognition. And then you say, so great to see you versus so great to meet you. And this is the difference between DC and New York. As far as I can tell, that's it.

Really? That is so true. I've lived, I grew up in D.C., around D.C. I just lived in New York. That is so true, especially like something I noticed in D.C. Someone will be like, I like your outfit. But in New York, they'll say, where did you get your outfit?

I feel like this just tells me the only party I want to go to is a mayor party. Feels like that's where the mayor party was the party to be at. Were there any mayors at the Axios party? There were just a lot of... You're not at your fill of mayors at this point. Well, at this point, though, I'm beginning to believe that if there had been mayors, it would have been a better party. You know, the thing about mayors is that they're not focused on clout, right? You would think maybe because... We're going to fade down Emma here because I have a feeling that this...

isn't going to stop. So, and we need to get out of here and get back to the DNC. Yes. Peter, thank you so much for exploring the DNC with Emma and me. We're going to get out there and see if we can find more stories of, what did we say yesterday? The weirdos and dignitaries that make our country great. Yes. That make our country what it is. And some mayors, apparently. More mayors.

At the Democratic Mayoral Convention. DMC. Run, DMC. Run, Emma, to the DMC. ♪

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