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Loft meeting. Loft meeting. We are calling a very special smoochable loft meeting. We're talking about coolers.
The cooler kiss. Okay, this is all about you guys, the fans, because we know how much this moment and this kiss meant to you. So we're going to kick it off with an incredible voice note from a friend. Let's go. That kiss...
It's like the playfulness, the love and friendship between those characters that you see on screen before the kiss actually takes place really just clicks in and you realise that it's chemistry. Like it's on screen chemistry before and you think, oh, they're such good friends. Like this is such a like, I love watching these characters just be mates with each other and all of the characters being friends with each other. But when you see the kiss, it's
it like transforms all those earlier scenes and when you go back and watch them you just realize how these two characters are like pining for each other but they almost don't even know it themselves and it just becomes it's like one episode it just clicks into place and you're like oh my goodness the fields are the most well-matched screen characters i've ever seen it it so comes out in that kiss doesn't it wow i could listen to her read the phone book call me who's that yeah
We're distracted. We're distracted. You have a beautiful voice. Beautiful voice. Well, thank you for that. I feel the same way. I do feel a lot of people feel that way, which was like something like turned after that episode in terms of the show where they're like, oh, you're not going by this old formula where you're just going to like tease this thing for like seven seasons.
And then the payoff at the end of the series as they get together. This is going to be like a normal relationship of people in their 20s. And it's going to be messy. And I think that really did change like the... Or like up does, elevated us as a show. Oh, 100%. 100%. It must have been powerful because it definitely overshadowed another kiss that no one talks about. And it sucks that those two happen to happen in the same episode. Because, you know, it would...
What I wanted to have. I know which kiss you're talking about. I know, I know, I know. The Nick and Schmidt kiss that happened at the end of the episode. Is that one right? That's the one you're talking about? Oh, D word and F word. I'm trying to stop swearing.
I'm proud of you. I'm really proud of you. Yeah. Well, shit. Let's jump into some of these questions. Okay. So, all right. Amy. Amy. The kiss. This is what Amy wrote to us. The kiss. I wish you could have Zoe and Jake on for this recap since the legacy of the kiss carries on. The buildup overall between Nick and Jess was pure perfection and the kiss put it over the top. The shock value. The passion. The perfect.
perfection. I remember watching it by myself with my kids to sleep upstairs and wanting to scream, but settling for pacing around my living room and then rewinding it to watch it again. It's one of those moments I wish I could watch again for the first time, but I've settled for rewatching it an embarrassing number of times. I also think I made the whole world fall more in love with Nick Miller than they already were and solidified Jake Johnson is not
only an amazing comedic actor but a killer romantic lead the beauty of New Girl is that a character like Nick who very much doesn't have everything all together a lot of the time is capable of becoming anything with a little confidence and getting out of his own way including the romantic hero in this case and what a powerful example to lean on in our lives oh it's like
therapy session. Oh, life lessons. Life lessons from a naughty kiss in a game. Amy, you got kids, girl, slow down. You know what I did wonder is after I like rewatching, rewatching that kiss was like, wow, that really sets the bar down.
It's like an unrealistic thing to sit there and be like your friend and you're hoping that they know how you feel about them and thinking that they're going to just like one day just like grab you and take you and kiss you and like, ha. And, you know. You know why it doesn't happen like that? Because the risk is...
The risk is so greater than the reward. That's exactly right. Like if it don't go right, y'all ain't friends no more. That's also right. There's a lot on the line. So, you know, like consent, checking in, figuring it out, which, you know, it's not TV. In TV, he could kind of do the thing with Dr. Sam, the thin board of plywood away.
and get around with it all. - And you don't just go wrong. You just don't be grabbing people and kissing people. - Don't be grabbing people and kissing them, but on a show, wow. - On a show it's cool, but like, imagine me at the mall and I see somebody I like and I'm like, it's gonna be so romantic when I just grab this strange woman by the shoulders and just kiss her. I don't go into prison.
Don't lock me up in prison with some wild people. - I'm trying to describe it to the judge. So I watched the episode of New Girl. - Yeah, have you seen? - He's like, "I did see it actually, nevermind." - You're good, you're good to go. - Let him go, let him go. Oh, Hannah, the next one's from Hannah. Okay, you read it. - Okay, first of all, I am loving the podcast and I am so glad it is back. We are too. I've been watching New Girl from the beginning and I literally haven't stopped since.
I've lost count of how many times I've watched Through Girl because I just have it playing around the clock. I love to hear it. I love it too. This episode in particular is one of the best for so many reasons. The kiss is obviously one of them. I mean, it was tender but firm. And he was a man and I was a woman. You...
Those are the perfect ways to describe it. I look forward to it every time I rewatch. The timing is just right. You're still laughing from how painful it was watching them try to kiss for the game, and then it just surprises you right at the end of the episode. I get all excited and giddy for them all over again. The way they are so dang goofy paired with the sincerity of Nick's kiss,
You understand why it was so hard for him to just suck it up and French her a little. Another reason this episode is so amazing is because Winston's, hey girl, what that thang do? Is quoted on a regular basis. We didn't even talk about that line. It's one of the funniest lines ever. And it had to be improvised. Yes, it was. For sure. They didn't write that. I came up with that. It has to be quoted on a regular basis in my home. Mile.
husband and I burst out laughing anytime we rewatch it or when one of us says it it's just the best was it scripted or improvised Hannah P I improvised that moment yes because I do it again I actually wrote it and uh no actually I didn't write anything I wrote it in the episode that I wrote I think I just improvised it in that moment as well that's just something that I like to say I shot it with that thing dude
But I don't actually say it in person. I don't say it in real life. That's weird. It fits the moment perfectly of just struggling to find something to say that's cool and casual. And Brenda's song is so funny. And she's just like, no. No.
Whatever that is, don't do that. Anything but that. Our next one's from Caitlin. When filming the episode or reading the script, did they know or realize that this episode was going to be one of the ones that really stuck with fans? Music plays such an important part in shows and there have been incredible needle drop moments in the series like green light during the elevator kiss. What did you think about the choice to include no music behind Jess and Nick's first kiss?
What were their reactions to reading the script for the first time? Did they know that the kiss was coming? Caitlin, well, Caitlin, listen, if you go and listen to the cooler recap episode, we dive all the way into this because I actually found the table draft. So the one that we were given before the studio and the network had a chance to really dive into it. And then the production draft, which is the one that we shoot with. And there was no kiss in the table draft. And then there was a kiss in the production draft. So
So a lot of things changed. I personally, and New Girl, you're right, has incredible choice in music and how they pair the music and use music. I think such an element of surprise was so important. In this kiss, the fact that they didn't do that little music manipulation to get you ready for it is one of the reasons why it was so powerful and why you just felt so shocked.
And I think it actually worked. 100%. You didn't need the music. I think the music would have taken away from it. You wanted fans to feel like it just came from out of nowhere. Yeah. And a lot of times music can set stuff up or music can tell you how to feel. Yes. You don't really want it to be that didactic. You want to just, oh, how do I feel? Oh, also didactic. What about it?
Oh, you didn't know I'd be wording out here? I was going to say this. I've known you for over a decade. I've never heard you say the word didactic. And you know how my brain works as a woman? I go, what smart woman is he hanging out with that used the word didactic? And he's like, I'm going to be didactic-ing all over the place. I'm going to be using it here. I'm going to use it there. I have this word now. This beautiful woman taught me this word. Just saying. I've been dating Ana de Armas lately. Yeah.
Manifest, manifest, manifest. I got to put it out there. I got to put it out there. Okay. All right. Yeah, the reactions are reading the script for the first time. There was no kiss. There was nothing to react to.
So they didn't know it was coming. And I think that there's an old interview from a decade ago where Jake Johnson talks about how when he finally gets the production draft, like we're on the day going in there to shoot. And he's like, oh, all right. I'm with Brooklyn Decker. This is going to be a fun like episode to shoot and the hook. And then at the end, he's like, wait, what? Yeah. Yeah.
What? Wait, hold up. What's happening? I kissed Schmidt. Yeah. So I think it was a big reaction, but it wasn't in like when we were reading the scripts like we usually did around a table in front of everybody. It was like privately, like in our dressing room before we're going to actually shoot it on the day. Pretty shocking. Now. Chandra. Chandra or Chandra? What do you think? Oh.
I'm going to go, Chandra. You're right. When Schmidt, Holly, Nick, and Jess are deciding who should go behind the Iron Curtain to kiss, Nick clearly tells Holly to pick the number two. And then Jess chooses the number two. Do you think she intentionally did that? Do you think they're pretending to be upset about it when they yell no?
What do you think gave Nick the courage slash motivation to kiss Jess? Do you think they... Whoa, it's a lot of questions. Do you think had they not been forced to kiss during True American, it wouldn't have happened? There's so many amazing quotable lines from this episode. Do you have a favorite or most memorable one? Was it in the script to have Max faint? I think one of the questions that we didn't get into on the recap is, do you think...
Had they not been forced to kiss during True American, it wouldn't have happened. And here's what I will say. In that safety of the game, like Love Island, like I talked about in the recap episode, I think in the safety of the game where like it doesn't count, they could kind of explore and test like the electricity between them in it. And I think they were shocked that they both had it.
And it was mutual because they're not often alone in a scenario talking about being physically intimate. When do you do that with your friend? And here they were. And they both could feel in their own bodies. You could see like, oh, I really want to do this. Oh, gosh. And I think that the true American game like exposed that. Yeah. The kiss happened out of the game.
100%. But I don't think without the True American game, it would have taken a lot longer for it to happen. True American was their fluffer. But they almost got to play with it. That's right. True American was their fluffer in that moment. If you don't know what fluffer means, go ahead and Google it. Google fluffer. Don't... Just keep it there. Put your safe search filter on. Google fluffer. And was it in the script to have Max faint? We didn't address that in the recap episode either. I feel like they probably did...
The Max Faint? No. Oh, I'm thinking about the slap and then the falling. The slap fall down in the bar. We talked about that. That falling was a prob. I think he did that. I think he did that too. I also think, by the way, because this happened a lot on New Girl, I think we'd probably done a few takes. And then he did that. And that usually when some big, broad, funny comedy moment that could be a good cut point, they would be like, we got it.
And I think we knew enough then to know, like if you do like the dance, we talked about dancing in the recap episode, doing something big and silly and physical, sometimes will get you out of a scene. And that faint, I bet you he only did once. And that was probably the last take. And they were like, we got it. And they would finally move on. That's my guess. I'm going to go ahead and say your guess is probably 99% correct. I'll take that. 99%. Yeah. Let's see. What else do we have in this one? There's a few questions wrapped into this one.
There's so many amazing quotable lines from this episode. Do you have a favorite or most memorable one? We talked about this before. I do. When Schmidt asks, no, my favorite. OK, I know my favorite was when she she's talking about the curtains in the place. And then she just whispers, Crips.
That's so funny to me. I might get Crips tattooed on mine. That's probably a good idea. Just blue curtains. Just get a set of blue curtains. I should get a set of blue curtains for those who know, know. You know what I'm saying? If you know, you know. Oh, bad. Yeah. Her Crips line was my favorite in this episode.
My favorite, I think, just because I know it was a moment that was improvised after a long day, was when Jake looks at you and says, dance, dummy. And it made the show. I don't know why. It's very few moments I get where I realize how lucky I am to rewatch the show. And that's just insider, Lamorne, Max, Jake knowledge. Yeah. Which is why it's so cool to do this podcast and we get to tell everybody. We get to share our little secrets. That's right.
Okay, moving on. Ashley, were intimacy coordinators a thing during all this? And if so, were they ever used on set? Was the kiss just freestyled by Zoe and Jake or was it choreographed? This is my favorite episode, so I have so many questions. Love you both, Hannah and Lamorne. We just talked about this a little bit ago in the recap of the cooler episode. I don't believe intimacy coordinators were a thing. Especially not for a network comedy kiss. I
I don't think they were bringing on an intimacy coordinator. I feel like back then, a decade ago, maybe if you had like, you were in a drama or a movie and it was like a sex scene or something that incorporated some violence with intimacy or something. But I don't think, you know, like a comedy smooch would have...
Like had all of a sudden that whole team kind of come out. Yeah. Cause that's a, it's a whole thing to get an intimacy coordinator. They're busy. They're so busy being intimate. Um, and no, I, you, the, the kiss wasn't freestyled by Jake and Zoe. They didn't just, uh,
It wasn't like, and go at it. Let's just kiss. No, there's a lot of thought. And this is a huge part of our storyline for the show. So I'm sure it was like, I know that I think Liz is on an interview where she's like, I really wanted it to feel like messy and organic and whatever. And so I'm sure they did it a few different times in different levels and they did it wide and they did a closeup and so that they kind of could,
you know, give you all the best one that kind of made you feel all the feels. Which they did. They crushed it. Oh, 100%. So no, they didn't just...
Throw that out there. It's a reality show. Okay, our last question is from, we got so many questions, by the way, about this kiss for Cooler. So thank you. Please keep them coming after every episode. Any burning questions you have, we'll always do our best to answer. So Natalia, well, this kiss is so perfect that it has ruined every romantic moment I have had. Oh my God, I just talked about this. Does it set the bar? It's just the perfect first kiss.
Kiss. Also, you guys said in the episode with Jake that his archetype is not hot, etc. And I was like, what? Jake is hot AF. Natalia. Natalia has a type. And it's Jake in a big Bears or Chicago hoodie with Crocs. And you know what? Get it.
Go ahead, get it, girl. Get it. If you like sad men. Is this Brooklyn Decker's character? Is this Holly? I don't know. This is very interesting. Very, very interesting. Yeah, you know, Jake talks about in his personal life how he was never cast as the hot guy or anything like that when he was first coming up as an actor. And we talked about, I think we talked about this on our interview with Jake. I know I've spoken to him about it on numerous occasions. Yeah.
because it's funny how life turns around, but he did a tampon commercial where he was the before guy in a tampon commercial. So you're right. I remember this. Jake has transformed into one of the hottest hot guys on planet Earth. Shout out to Jake Johnson for being...
Tom Cruise. When they rank them, they go Bradley Pitt. Denzel. Jake Johnson. I like when you go full names. Bradley Pitt. Thomas Cruise. Jacob Johnson. Jake Lee Johnson.
Jake Jerome Johnson. Thank you, Natalia. Thank you for that question. Thank you to all of you for your questions. Again, in particular for this one, go back. Relisten to the rewatch. Rewatch the episode. A lot of dirt. A lot of dirt we share on that. A lot, a lot, a lot, a lot. So please make sure you join us Tuesday to recap season two episode.
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