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Text BVJOBS to 97211 to apply. Ring, ring, ring, ring. May I please speak with Zoe? Oh, hello, Lamorne. Let's patch in Hannah. God, I forgot what it was like working with you guys. Welcome to the life.
Hi, Eric. Hi. Hi. Thanks for joining us. Oh, thank you for having me. I'm excited. Oh, my gosh. It's been a while, man. I know. It's been forever. I know. I know. The last time I worked with you guys, you were pregnant, Zoe. Oh, my God. And my youngest is five now, so that's a long time. That's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy.
So what's up? I'm so excited to talk about one of my favorite all-time episodes of New Girl. Yes. Yeah, me too. This is a personal top three. I love this episode so much. Truly, I mean...
So much awesome stuff going on. So, wait, Eric, was this, this wasn't the first one you did with us or was it? Yeah, this was the first one. It was. My first episode. Because you did quite a few. Yeah, yeah. About three of them maybe? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I did the one in the bar. I did the flashback episode in the bar.
Oh, right. And then I did the one with Henry Winkler and Julie Haggerty. Oh, I like that. Yeah. Oh, my God. That was such him talking about trains.
Oh my goodness. But yeah, this was my first one. This was my first one. Very exciting. Do you remember getting the call or did you have friends? Like how did you get on the New Girl director circuit? Yeah, I mean that was the year. It was kind of like my first year of directing.
a lot of network TV episodes. I had done an episode of The Office the year before. And it was like, that was like my first network TV thing. And then the following year,
The Office episode was very well received. So like all of a sudden, like my dance card was full the following year. And yeah, it was really. And then you came on over to the greatest show in television history. I came over to the greatest show in television history. The humblest show on television. It's all coming from Lamorne's side, the most humble, you know. That's right. Yeah.
I remember my first conversation, though, when I found out which episode I was doing, they sat me down and said, so we have to do a Ford commercial in this episode. You know what's funny is I remember actually, you know, when it came out, it kind of like people kind of saying something about it, but it's like.
It doesn't matter at all. Absolutely. It was actually nice that we were able to say a brand name because that's so what those things are. They're there to sell, you know? Yeah. And it just happened to be that we had this like kind of Ford tie-in and...
It, I think, allowed us to have a bigger budget for the episode, maybe. I think so, too. I think so, too. My question to you is, did you get credit for both directing a television show and also a commercial? Did you put this on your commercial reel? I did not, unfortunately, no. At least an opportunity, my friend. Because it does feel like just it feels like a scene. So it's like very well integrated into the episode.
Well, also, I get stuck in the car and fall out of the car. We do a full show. Was that their pitch from Ford? Like they wanted to do a car show or is that just what the writers kind of came up with and gave to you? I
I think it's just what the writers came up with. Like, I remember Fox. I think it's that Fox, like, had this deal with Ford and all the shows. Like, on American Idol, it was easier. They just, like, Ford would do those little music videos on American Idol. That's right. And I think, like, all the Fox shows had to, like, work Ford into something at some point. Yeah, I think that's how it was pitched to me. But it kind of worked to, I don't know, better than... There was another episode where...
I remember, Lamorne, I think you might, it was all the guys had to be like, this is so cool. We can open the trunk with our foot. There were a few. Yeah. Was that Ford or was that something else? Was that Ram Ford? I think that's a Ram. It was the Foscapay. I think that's what Damon called his car, the Foscapay, the Ford Escape. Oh, that's right. The Foscapay.
And then the Prince episode as well. What great rebranding courtesy of Damon. Folks, if you're just tuning in, we have a fantastic show. We are recapping episode five of season two, Models. And, you know, obviously you've been listening. We've got writer-director Eric Appel. Now, obviously, he just spoke about all the things that he's done. But where are you now? Obviously, because a new girl, we've turned your life around. Yeah.
Made an honest man out of you. Tell us about what you're working on now. Obviously some great things, working with some of my heroes. Yeah, I just, I did a movie this past year for the Roku channel called Weird the Al Yankovic Story, which is a satirical biopic about Weird Al Yankovic that we co-wrote together and I directed and Daniel Radcliffe directed.
is, um, is stars as, uh, as weird Al himself. Um, and I actually just got a lot of press too. It did. I just got a, I got nominated for a DGA award, uh, two days ago, which is funny because we're sort of, um, you know, it's like a satire of, uh, awards movies. And now it's like becoming a legit awards movie, which is really funny. That's on brand for this town. Yeah. Yeah.
So folks, what we're going to do now is we're going to jump right into, we're going to do things differently from what you probably remember about the show. So we're going to recap this episode with the fantastic director, Eric Appel. If you don't remember this episode, we encourage you to go watch it, but I'll dive right into it. It's CeCe's birthday. She's turning a young 48 years old.
I forget how old. But our girl is torn between the decades-old tradition of clueless and prom towel dresses with Jess and living it up at the club with her model friends. That's right. Nadia's back. Nadia's back, and she's drinking vodka through her butt. I'm not sure what that is. She always drinks vodka through her butt. It's kind of... I still...
There's a lot of butt-chugging talk in this episode. A lot of butt-chugging talk. But if you folks saw the episode, then you know what I'm talking about. I'm not just being weird like I normally am. Now, when she tries to merge her two worlds, Jess gets her feelings hurt, and she gets her boobs punched. Now, meanwhile, Schmidt and Nick, they're also at a crossroads in their relationship. Schmidt gives Nick a box of cookies, and the sincerity, it throws Nick. It throws him way off. He just wants, you know, he just wants a turtle. That's it.
And Schmidt is hurt that Nick doesn't think of him. Now, the next morning, Cece wakes up too hungover to do her modeling gig and Jess does not want her friend to get in trouble at work, so she offers to do the job.
You spoke about that earlier. Now, the negative perception of modeling is shattered when Miss Day learns firsthand how difficult it is to wear heels at a rotating stage. I mean, come on, man. This is modeling 101. It's hard. I know how to do it. Everybody knows how to do it. That Jessie makes a terrible model, obviously, but she remains a wonderful friend. Nick gathers up the courage to be vulnerable with Schmidt. Everyone leaves this episode better friends than
And that's what happened in this episode. And also Winston was there, I think. Now back to our show. Yes, episode 205, Models, directed by the Erica Powell and written by Josh Malmuth. Josh Malmuth. His wheelhouse, Models. So what do you remember, Eric, about this?
directing this episode? Oh, man. I remember a lot about directing this episode. There's actually a funny story about this episode that is like in a Pell family classic. Ooh, we have to hear it. So I don't know if you know this or remember this, but the model scout, there's a flashback scene where young Jess and young Cece are approached by a model scout, and that is my wife...
That is playing the bottle scout. Yes. Oh, my gosh. But the reason that it's such a funny story is my wife at the time was doing a lot of acting, doing a lot of commercials, little bit parts on TV shows and whatnot. And she got the call to come in and audition to play this model scout.
Now, no one knew that she was my wife or acting like her last name was different, like as an actress. Yeah. See, I was going to say this was a whole Nepo baby. But it is not. No. So your wife's not a Nepo baby. So that up right now. So she told me I remember her telling me, like, I'm I'm I just got called in for your episode. Like, thank you. And I'm like, I didn't.
Put you up for this. Randomly, you got called in to play the model scout. But I'm like, I feel it's weird. I pictured the model scout to be like,
older and frumpier for some reason right so i'm like gorgeous like your wife yeah yeah i'm like it just feels it i don't know it kind of feels like an odd i'm like you're more of a model type you know winning all day long but anyway i'm like i'm not going to tell i felt weird about telling people that
she was my wife like i didn't want to get her hired or anything but you know because she was not hired right yeah like you don't want to affect it anyway you're like wanted i didn't want to affect it anyway um but i did say i'm like don't so don't be bummed out if you don't get this because i you know i i don't know if people like i maybe everybody's picturing someone different in this role too my my question to you is what do you do you how do you direct her
Is it fine? Hands off. It's fine. I think it was fine. But but anyway, so I I'm like, I'm not going to weigh in first. And Liz is the first person to weigh in and give her picks for the role. And she picks my wife first.
And I was like, so then I chimed in and I'm like, hey, I didn't want to say anything. But that Johanna Parker is actually Johanna Appel. That's my wife. And I'm so glad that you like organically, you know, came to this picture on your own. Well, I actually will say that that's most the time. Like I know people who like are model agents and stuff like that. And they're usually kind of really like put together and attractive and like
So I think that's, it was the right thing to do. Which I came to realize, because I have a 10-year-old and an 8-year-old daughter, and we've been approached at the mall a couple of times here in Los Angeles. Oh my gosh, that's so funny. You know, by people who I think are just trying to get you to sign up for acting classes in the Valley or something. But by the way, my daughter's like...
They want me, Dad. This is like, you know, she's... I actually have a funny story about this. Like, in high school, I was, like, hanging out at the mall with my two friends, and this super creepy guy came over to us and was like, you guys should be models. And we were like, uh... You know, I was really skeptical because I was always suspicious.
And I remember he was like, oh, some of your friends from—he said, what school do you go to? And we told him, and he said, oh, some of your friends have modeled for me. And he had a book full of pictures, and he had pictures of some girls from our class. And we were like 15, guys. What? It was very creepy. What?
And then he gave us his card. And I remember my two friends were kind of like, oh, he thinks we're models? That's so cool. And I took the card and I hid it and I threw it away. And my friend was like, oh, do you have that card? And I was like, oh, no, I don't have it anymore. Because I didn't want anybody to get catfished into some kind of like...
you know, trafficking ring. You find out later that that man was Steven Spielberg. That man was not Steven Spielberg. That man was more like Jeffrey Epstein. I was about to say, was his name Jeffrey? Yeah. That sounds like Jeff. But like,
very creepy yeah like you gotta watch out for teenagers hanging out the mall by themselves wow yeah that could have went sideways but yeah so that's my that's like my main that's why this episode is so you know so special to uh to us at my house um but i remember i remember so much of it and you know watching it back uh i watched it back last night and and you know so many memories kind of
flooding back. It's so funny to know, you know, you watch a scene and you're like, that was day one. There's the first scene I shot. What was the first scene that you shot at this episode? The first scene was after the cold open. It was the first scene of act one. It was Nick watching the turtle, the turtle documentary on TV. And yeah,
Yeah, Jess comes in dressed up to go out for the birthday party. Oh, yeah. How did you guys pick that outfit? This...
What was it like ballet ballerina turned streetwalker? I actually that's so funny that you say that. That was a dress I had at home. That was my dress. Really? Yeah. And it was like a dress that my my friend is a designer and I love that dress. It's gorgeous. And like it's actually really like it's I don't know if it's like it's not like it's
It's ready to wear, but it's like really, it was a really nice dress. But I brought it in because I knew that it was like a bodycon dress that I felt like looked good on me. So I know they wanted like a bodycon dress.
So I was like, all right, I've got one. For all the folks out there who don't know what a bodycon dress is, what is a bodycon dress? A bodycon dress is like a really form figure, like tight dress. It's like Kim Kardashian. Contour. Body contour. It's something that has stretch to it.
and is normally really tight. It's like a dress that has some stretch. It's like a boxer brief, but for all over. Exactly. But a dress. That's right. That's nice. That's what Herve Leger says.
Yeah, every, yeah, yeah, exactly. And I feel like that's kind of like what the Kardashians always wear. They're always in bodycon, so. Every night's a club night. Yes, that dress. Yeah, and you know what? I remember so much about shooting this episode. Like, it felt like legendary to me. Like, our
whole, you know, like everything about it felt like legendary. But then what I realized watching, I was like, oh, but the guys part of this episode was totally legendary too. It's like give a cookie, get a cookie is like, is one that a lot of people quote and are always asking, uh,
you know, Jake and Max about all the time. I think someone thought, I remember when we talked to Malmuth that a lot of people had thought that that was improvised, that give a cookie, get a cookie, get a cookie, give a cookie, you know, that that was improvised, but it wasn't, it was written. Yeah. Just,
It's the cross section of, you know, great directing, great writing and great acting right there. Yeah, that scene, that was a memorable scene. I remember Jake like actually like real tears, like getting emotional in that moment. Like I and it was like pretty early in my directing career. And yeah.
I remember just like, wow, this is crazy. This is crazy. It was unexpected in that moment, but it was like a really, I'm like, oh, he's really going for it. This is amazing. This is amazing. Yeah, the girls are flying fists and the boys are just crying. In moments like that, when you're working with a guy like Jake Johnson, who we come to know as a person who probably can't read,
So, I mean, and I say that in jest, but he loves to improvise. He loves it a lot. Now, does that throw you off when you come on a show, you know, like you said, so early on in your directing career with a cast of people that love to improvise and improvise?
a crew of writers and showrunner who love to improvise. How did you work with that? How did you deal with that? Yeah. Well, I mean, luckily that's sort of, so I, I came from the upright citizens brigade theater. Like I, I started, there you go. Yeah. Like I started at UCB in 2002 in New York and, um, you know, it was on like a,
house improv team there with like Ellie Kemper. And I kind of came up with that whole, that, that whole generation of, you know, um, Adam Pally and Ben Schwartz and Aubrey Plaza and Donald Glover. Like those were all my, you know, classmates in improv class back in the early 2000s. So, um, and I honestly, I think that's kind of what
Got me hot. Like I was sort of the new face in like directing, you know, network TV comedy. And there was so much improv across a lot of shows from the office. I did a lot of happy endings episodes as well. And yeah. Yeah. Cause I was someone that could just get in there and like roll with the improv and, and,
pitch new things and just like I kind of knew how it's just the world I came from like a very collaborative uh comedic world were you allowed to pitch a lot of stuff here on our show you know I know there's some certain parts um
The Russian cartoon, you know what I mean? The monkey cracker thing. Like there was an animation to that. It really does look like me. I really do resemble the monkey cracker. The monkey cracker thing. That was so good. And like the music that Ludwig wrote for it. Yeah.
Yeah. Are you involved at all in the making of that? That whole monkey cracker. You know, it's funny. There's a part in the episode, there's like this dance monkey part. I'm like, I wonder if the song Dance Monkey, you know that song, Dance Monkey? Have you ever heard that song? No. Oh, there's this like pop song from a couple of years ago called Dance Monkey. What?
They stole it from us. My daughter's really into it. I'm like, I wonder if this was somehow influenced by this Dance Monkey episode where she's telling Jess Dance Monkey. But yeah, the monkey cracker thing. Monkey cracker. Were you involved in directing the animation or did that just come fully packaged to you? No, the animation was like a fun surprise for me when I saw the episode. That's hysterical.
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I actually remember Josh Malmuth coming up to me when we were shooting later because they were still working on the animation while we were shooting it. But a few episodes later, it was like, do you want to see the monkey cracker thing? Yeah. And I was really...
I'm like, I've never... I never knew how much I looked like a Russian monkey that sells crackers. Yes. Because I kept being like, how am I...
gonna make this monkey look like me and i'll go oh okay i get it yeah it's all in the eyes it's the eyes and the bangs it's the eyes and the bangs the monkey really had really good bangs yeah yeah yeah the eyes and the bangs do all the heavy lifting yeah truly eric i have to ask you about meeting uh rebecca who plays nadia yeah the first time um were you uh
by her when she changed from her beautiful British accent into her crazy Nadia accent? Did she improv any of those crazy lines in that cold open? Yeah, I mean, I can't remember what exactly she improvised or what was thrown out to her in the moment, but the transformation of her getting into that character, yeah, was pretty amazing. Oh.
And so funny, the random things that come out of her character's mouth. Yeah, she was such a blast to work with. There's that really funny moment with the Wilmer Vildorama guy. Yes.
But I remember her, like the accent on saying his name was really funny. It was just like a slight. Yeah. Well, yeah, I can't remember, but it was, what's great about that is that that was a callback from this from season one. Oh yeah. That's right. Just mention. She mentions him.
about all the things about America that she likes. I think that was what the bit was. And Wilmer Valderrama was one of them. And it was so great to see that we actually see that. She meets a guy at a bar who pretends to be Wilmer to go home with her. One thing that I found interesting about this episode was, and I want to question you guys about this, the...
The relationship between Nick and Schmidt, Nick being uncomfortable, he's uncomfortable and weirded out that Schmidt thinks about him. Is that weird to you guys that your friend would tell you that they think about you often? That's a girl thing. Female friendships, yeah. We're very thoughtful. We think about each other. We say I love you to our friends. All the time. We say I think about you. We say I miss you. I mean, it's very, I think...
I think it's a guy thing, maybe. Yeah, you'll send notes all the time. I don't know. You tell us from a male perspective. Yeah, would you think it was weird if your friend, yeah, if your friend was like, I think about you. I feel like you have a lot of female friends, Lamorne. Yeah.
We think about you. We think about you when we consider you. We love you. Yes, I do have a lot of female friends, but I have a lot of male friends. And, you know, I have a list. I have a list of men that I think about. And it's a very short list. Jesus.
And that's it. That's the end of the list. That's it. My brother. I think about my brothers all the time, right? Yeah. And then LeBron James. That's it. Your friend LeBron. My good personal close friend LeBron James. Yeah. I think for me, like in my – now that I'm in my early 40s, I feel like I'm more maybe in touch with my emotions with male friends and –
would be able to say things like i think about you i feel like you know younger when i was single and you know it just yeah it's i think maybe it would have been weird i think once you're i think the dividing line is once you're a dad you can say i think about you but before maybe yeah maybe not
Yeah. Not that you can or can't, but I just mean maybe a guy who's a dad has like an emotional perspective that's different from like a single guy, you know? Sure. They're in the struggle and they see someone else in the struggle and they're just reaching out across the divide. Yeah. Once you're a dad.
It's funny that, but that storyline is so great. I mean, I love that just kind of the commentary on masculinity and men, male friendships and that.
told in such a simple way. Like, that entire story takes place in the apartment. It's all metaphor, too. It's, like, 100%. Like, it's, like, the cookie is the metaphor for thinking of someone. Yeah. And then the turtle or the tortoise is the metaphor for, like, you know, friendship or whatever. It's nice. You could definitely...
Yeah, I mean, I felt like both the kind of guy storyline and the girl storyline were both little like one act plays. I know, but the thing I forgot about it is really the whole episode is answering the question, would you still be friends with them if you met them today? And that's what both Nick and Jess are facing. Right. And I thought, I forgot that, that that was a thing that joined it together. Would you judge a friend that became a model? Me? Like, would you? Yeah, I'm asking you.
No. Happy. If someone is happy, I'm like, I'm happy for you. Yeah. But it's funny. You get why it's like more like Jess is like is like it came from a protective place, a protective because she knew her as a kid. And that's not how she thought of her. I think, you know, right. That's right. I think that was the expectations for people. Yeah, I wouldn't.
judge someone who became a model but maybe like if you're friends with somebody from when you're you know seven years old and you know you think you're the same and then one of you ends up becoming a model and then there are a lot of kind of like surface level things that go into that right but but vodka drinking like yeah yeah yeah a lot of it i think is like the circle that
that person is in now. That she runs in. Exactly. Yeah. Yes. And we see that come to light in this episode when you're trying to fit in a little bit with her friends. Oh, yeah. To see. I thought that was a very fun, funny, interesting scene. Talk about that a little bit. Even from the creation standpoint, Eric, there's the dancing, the mocking. It was also funny to me. And then the boob fight.
Oh, I have so many things to say about this boob fight. Yeah, the boob fight is really great. Do you remember, Zoe, they offered us, I don't know if you remember this, Eric, if we needed any protection? Oh, yeah. I was like, I think we're okay. We're not going to be really slugging it out. You didn't have pads for that? No.
No, but I do remember being offered, like, do you need any protection around your boobs in case you get... I was like, I think we can figure out how to fake this to look real. We're not really going to fall off. So what's funny about it, you know, it worked because my friend... I watched the episode last night with a buddy of mine. And he knows that I'm, you know, like prepping for the recap. And he goes, and he goes, he goes...
I need to know how bad that hurt. He goes, I want to know. And I said, they had pads on. Guys think that boobs like hurt more than they really do.
Yeah. Right. Don't you think, Hannah, that they get this idea that there's some correlation between like boobs and testicles? Those things are all it's all nerve. They're very different. Yeah. Yeah. I think that they're that or they think it's like they're they're junk that like boobs are like that. I think there's that confusion. It's sensitive on that level. That's right. But I also think that we have.
trust that nobody's gonna punch anybody because I remember seasons later when I had to do the scene where I kick Nick CC kicks Nick in the dick right and I was like we're gonna fake it like there's this or I punch him I punch him in the deck and a bar I just remember that and they asked Jake they're like do you want a cup and I'm like oh my god it's just a fake thing and he was like I want a cup
And I was like, bro! He's like, just in case. But no, neither Zoe or I wanted padding or protection. Hats off to post-production and the Foley artists on this. This was like, I can't say enough how much the post-production sound had to do with the comedy of the scene. It's a super funny scene that works
and is written really well, directed really well. It's funny.
but it doesn't work unless you have that like slap, slap, slap, slap, slap, slappity slap. There was no sound. It doesn't make a lot of sound. It doesn't make any sound. Yeah. But the sound makes it just, it just makes it funny. Cause I always thought boobs had sound. And my, my favorite part is, is which, which was improvised. It just kind of came out in the moment was when you start going, what you start yelling, what did each other? What? What? What?
Oh, because that's what guys do, right? When they're mad. That's right. We got brought up in that. Huh? What? What did you say? What? The other weird memory that came flooding back to my mind was that I think they were setting up for the boob fight because we were doing it downtown, right? In this weird creepy warehouse. It was in a real grungy warehouse. It was a warehouse. Yeah. It was so gross. And I remember Liz was there and Josh was there and we were just hanging out.
And I feel like Liz just lit up like a Christmas tree. And you were standing there too, Zoe, I feel like. And we'd just gotten confirmation that Jamie Lee Curtis and Rob Reiner were going to play your parents. Oh, wow. I remember that moment. And I had to sit down.
I was like, are you joking? That to me was just like the hugest casting of like these huge stars. You were like, these are the chicest wind chimes. These are the chicest wind chimes. All right. If anybody who gets that gets that and Real Housewives fans. Yeah.
Yes. I had to call my parents. I was like, oh, my gosh. Like our show, I just felt like, which was a great show and it was beloved. But I was like, that just like elevated the whole thing. And I was going to be sitting in a room with these two incredible people. And maybe they would come back and keep being the parents, which they did. But I remember that moment setting up for a slap boob fight in a downtown warehouse and hearing that these two huge, you know, movie people were going to join our show.
Rank your level of excitement when you heard about them being cast versus when you heard about me being cast in the show. There are two ends of the spectrum. See, here's the thing. And now I know what they are. I'm kidding. I was going to say there's some really funny stuff that I loved. The pops back with the like models and stuff like.
Eric, talk about that, like just the flashback, because I thought it was so funny that you had the model like, I see table. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like table. Table is flat. Yeah, yeah. Yes, the table is flat. Yeah, I can't remember where we shot that. It's so funny, little pops like building a set just for like one little quick. That was CeCe's apartment. Yeah. Oh, that was CeCe's apartment. Yeah. I remember. Yeah.
Because we shot it on the same day. We just like flipped it a little bit. That's right. And we shot it on the same day. It was cold open. Yeah. Did that, was that girl that played the model? That was her only episode she was in, right? Or was she in other ones too? Yeah, but they were all, well, yeah. And then the other girls who are the models in the warehouse scene were really funny. And everybody like,
totally committed to this like model stereotype that yeah yeah yeah in a funny way like really being like the sidekick of sidekicks of Nadia yes and just being terrible to Jets like yes monkey monkey dance yeah like that's always a fun thing to for people to play is just it like
They're being terrible to Jess, but they don't even realize how terrible they're being. Like they're having the time of their lives. And Jess is just like absolutely crushed by what they're doing to her. It's like a really fun tone to hit. There's a moment in this which I found to be very, very interesting and weird at the same time. When Jess enters and asks the guys...
You know, once the guys are getting into this situation. Oh, I know exactly what you're going to say. And she asked the guys, she's like, oh my gosh, did you guys watch porn together again? Yeah, it's always so awkward. It's such a weird thing. I don't know.
I've never done that. I'm going to just say it now. Eric, have you done that? Have you sat around? You watched porn with Guy, friend? No. That's a very private experience. No, that would be so weird, but it's so funny. I would love to know if Josh, who pitched that line. Exactly. Because it's such a funny idea. I'm going to text him right now and ask Josh if he's ever watched porn with a friend. Name the guy. The level of weirdness.
The level of weirdness that the cookie brings up is the level of weirdness that watching porn amongst friends would bring up. And that is a high level of weirdness. Yeah. So I think it's a, I think really it's commentary on how weird the cookie made everybody. Well, that can't, yeah, I love. And then all the details that also come out about Schmidt, like,
aside from the cookie the other things that he does that you never get to see like there's a joke about him doing turndown service like like every night putting mints on the pillow yeah yeah he puts a chocolate on his pillow like you don't like the chocolate no i love the chocolate oh i guess they just eat themselves then yeah
And then you get to see a flashback. I think Nick and Schmidt's the first time they met, right? Their origin story. Yeah. Their college scene. Eating ramen. Talk to us about that. Their costume. Yeah, all of that. Talk to us about that. Yeah, Nick's got that mustache. He's like...
He looks like a deadhead. He's in a tie-dye and he's got this weird mustache. I think he has a fanny pack on as well. I remember what was really fun was their dorm room that you got to see because it's the same... It was also one of the really fun things for me about directing the show is like, the first show I did was The Office, but then this show...
It was like, oh, everyone's my age. Like I'm making a show, you know, I'm directing a show about people that are my age. So the college flashback, it's like, oh, this is when I was in college and this dorm room looks like my dorm room. You know, like there was a fight club, like Nick had a fight club poster on the wall and...
You know, just getting to see some of those specific things. How much did you get to inform like their wardrobe or that whole dynamic that kind of happened or how Schmidt looked or was that all Liz? I think that was all. I think that was a lot of Liz. Like, you know, I had a little bit of input on just, yeah, some of the some of the things in the room and what the room looked like. But I remember when we shot the scene.
There was just a really long, there was so much improv in that scene. We just kind of let those guys go. Once you get Schmitz in that costume, and yeah, they're just both in these. It's a lot of inspiration, a lot of scope for the imagination there. Yeah, yeah. I can't remember what exactly was scripted and what wasn't, but Schmitz was eating hard ramen. Yeah.
Like just the noodles, like crunching on ramen noodles. I've seen people do that. It's weird. Yeah. Yeah. Nick's like throwing them in his mouth. They'll try to get him to catch them at one. There was like a gag reel or something.
Or does it play during the end credits? At the end credits. He gets body slammed. Yes, yes. There's the body slam. The body slam is actually in the episode, but at the end, they're like just riffing. There was just like so much gold. Oh, that's right. He goes, no, no, no. He's throwing the food out of his mouth. I think that's the end. Yeah, yeah. There was so much gold in that.
Do you remember that that cake dudes part at the end was like a reshoot? Yeah, I did not. I did. I was not there. You weren't there because I actually remember that. Like, and I will say, I actually believe this to be like a,
perfect episode but that that piece they were like trying to figure out how to make the end work exactly so it all kind of came together and that Jake really didn't like the cake dudes part and that he talked about cake dudes for like years afterwards he was like and then it's just cake dudes like use cake dudes as a thing but I remember
I remember we shot it really fast. Like, you weren't even there, which is crazy. We shot it really fast at the end of some, like, other episode. Like, when we were shooting another episode. They were just trying to find, you know, the ending that they could, you know, that would fit in, you know, 21 minutes and 35 seconds. Yeah, I can't remember. Can you remember what the original ending was? It was a scene. It was everyone...
Back around the table. It was around the table maybe or something. And there was cake there. I don't remember. But yeah, it's funny. I don't remember what the original one was. But it probably was too long. You know, they used to send you a DVD of your director's cut. Oh.
Oh, yes. Back in the day. It was probably too long because everything lived and died by this 21 minutes and 35 seconds and everything was like... I mean, it's still true in network TV today, but now we watch so many shows that are on streamers and cable and everything. But it's like it had to be over by then and there was no wiggle room. I remember that...
This one was kind of tough in editing to get it down to time. I bet. So much Winston dialogue. We cut out the whole Winston storyline. There was a sea story with Winston. Winston stares at a laptop and then gives wise sage advice from over the screen. Um,
But there was, yeah, I remember, I want to say that my director's cut was like seven minutes over time or something. Oh, wow. It was really long. Because so much episode real estate was taken up by the car show, which is this big set piece. Yeah. I remember we talked about it, Zoe, being like a real Lucille Ball moment. Yes. And I was so...
I loved how that, like, I thought it was so much fun to do and to work on. And I also have to give props to Monica Bronger, who's my stunt double. She's absolutely amazing. And like anything that was like unsafe for me to do, like she just was like so there in game and she would like always like watch me get my body language right. And then could be so funny and then do something totally dangerous at the same time.
But that was such a fun sequence to work on. And I actually, I also, the two, like the car announcer, and then I actually know one of those guys who's like the car, Rob Reines. He's a really funny guy. Oh, he was great, yeah. Yeah, and then the other guy who's like announcing, I don't remember that actor's name. We'll have to look it up.
have to get it. But, um, they, when he's announcing, he's, he's like trying so hard to keep it, um, professional, but I'm so unprofessional. My eye is like, like, um, uh, yeah, the heavy eyelashes.
Yeah, that was such a funny thing that the eyelashes were too heavy for your eyes. Double magnums. Jess is so out of her element as a model that she can't even handle. She has weak eyelids. Weak eyelids. But it is true because I actually know friends that don't wear makeup at all. And if you try to put makeup on them, they're so confused. It really throws them off their game. But it's also like the heels, too. They also put me in the highest position.
possible doesn't make a comment too about it he's like what's on your face oh yeah yeah what's that on your face it was like oil or something james m connor by the way james oh shoe polish i think he said shoe polish yeah um so i just got james m connor actor that played the okay yeah well he was great too you know a lot of really great people in this episode i just got a text from josh
I'm about the watching porn with your friend platonically. So I said, who pitched the watching porn together with a platonic friend joke? Did this happen to someone? And he goes, I don't remember who pitched it. It's a good point, though.
And I said, did this happen to you ever? You know, you just got to ask. And he said, no, it has not. But it's funny. And I feel like you see it referenced in movies. Guys would be like, let's go watch porn. And it sounds horrible. Yeah, I cannot imagine that being an enjoyable experience. Unless you're friends at Pornstar and you're just critiquing their work.
You know what I mean? Give them notes. As one does. You have to. Let me improve your art. Yeah. Are there porn critics? Yeah, they have the award show, I think. They got the award show. I've never heard of it before. Isn't that their peers, though? I wonder if the thing about it is, though, like when you, you know, if watching porn, like getting turned on or something is like a vulnerable moment.
You know what I mean? Like you can't control it. And I think like, if that's what the awkwardness is about, it's like, Oh, I feel too exposed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like the opening credit music. Okay. Yeah. It's like a sixth grader getting like a boner and sweatpants. Yeah. He doesn't want to answer any questions. You brought like that just brought back. Yeah. Yeah.
I know. It's so my daughter's in fifth grade. Yeah. My daughter is in fifth grade. My, my eldest daughter. And, uh, yeah, it's like the year when like the sex ed and stuff starts to happen. Oh no. She's come from her school. She's like, dad, have you heard of a boner? Do you know what that is? A kid had a boner.
In sixth grade. I'm like, yikes. Did they have their, like, trapper keeper so that they could just hide it as they walked down the hall? I'm like, if that sixth grader knew that you were at home telling your dad he had a boner at school, he would never forget it for the rest of his life. Die. He would die. Yeah. That's like one of those memories from inside out that, like, turns into the core memories. Bye.
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Every once in a while, there is something that will happen in a scene of a movie or a TV show that will shatter the walls of said show. Something that will stand out in a project so much so that fans will refer to that scene and not even have seen the show. Now, in this episode, we've stumbled across another iconic moment in New Girl history, and we've already spoken about it. This one is truly a fan favorite. Gave me cookie. Got you cookie.
Now, that meme is a shorthand for wanting to express fond emotions, but being unable to do so in a straightforward manner. So let's talk specifically about the filming of that scene and some of the things that you remember. The type of cookie that was. Apparently, that's a very special cookie. Black and white cookie. Black and white cookie. I thought maybe he would have given the cookie to me. But he didn't.
Yeah, it was a black and white cookie that he bit into a Star of David. So it's like the gesture is just so misguided. The sentiment is there, but he went about it the wrong way. Now, I remember, Zoe, you said that that was scripted. That wasn't an improvised moment? Scripted, yeah. It was all scripted. And I remember specifically, Jake, in...
Because people have asked about that moment a lot in like, you know, I remember Q&As and I remember people saying like, people always asking if that moment was improvised and always Jake Johnson was like, no, that's Josh Malmuth all the way. Who is, by the way, when we started New Girl, he was a junior writer. Like he had only, I think done, been on one other show. And like first, I remember it was like,
I was like, this guy is hilarious. And just so fun and like game, you know, he's just, he's a fun, he's a fun writer to work with, you know? Yeah.
Have you guys seen this meme go around? Have you seen this, Eric, at all? I have seen it in the wild a couple of times. Yeah, me too. And I'm always, like, tickled to see that pop up. Yeah. I mean, I think quite a few times I've seen it pop up. And, yeah, I'm like, oh, my God, I can't believe I – Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's me, you guys. I remember that the cookie thing –
at the table read killing. Like I remember everyone Fox and 20th. And, and I remember everyone just saying like no notes, you know, like after the table read, you discuss everything. They give notes on, on, you know, hear a little things, you know, to change in the script or, or to plus up and focus on a little bit more. And I remember it was like the gimme cookie, got you cookie, the cookie thing. We, we,
No, no, it's excited to see it. It also like set the foundation so deeply for the rest of the series for the audience to understand how deeply these men love each other.
you know, in a spoken way, like Jake had to say it, you know, Nick's character had to say it. And I just feel like that was something that just set up so much comedy then. And so much stuff that was just understood by the audience and for the rest of the series, which is why it feels so important to the show. Yeah. To see Nick get vulnerable in a way like that. Like he makes fun of Schmidt for, um, crying earlier in the episode. And, uh,
You know, then then then he starts crying. You know, it's like such a great moment. Aside from being hilarious, it's like just works on an emotional level. Yeah. Yeah. It's such a great scene. Should we dive into a little true American? Yes. We're back and it's time for true American. Regular listeners know we've switched up the game a bit.
when we have a guest for the show, and now we try to get the truth of their experience on the show. Eric, are you ready? In episode one of season two, Schmidt decides to throw a party after he gets his penis cast off to announce he's ready to have sex again, which just saying that is ridiculous. And the guest list says,
includes a writer from crank yankers was that writer you and would you attend schmidt's party that writer was not me unfortunately um and sure i love a party i will who who was the crank yankers writer
I remember this episode and I watched it recently, but I don't remember them saying, I think he said the writing staff from Crank Yankers. I think so. There were always those like lists that were funny. Yeah, but you would go to Schmidt's penis cast on YouTube.
I'd go to Schmidt's Pudis cast unveiling party. How long would you have to know Schmidt to attend? I mean, I would go if I barely knew him. I like...
I like putting myself in situations that will yield a story that I can tell. Me too. Yeah. It's so funny. A lot of people have this or like have so much social anxiety and it's not that I don't, but I love an awkward moment. Like I love if I can have an awkward moment, like I'm excited about it. And so if I get invited to a party where I know nobody, I kind of am like, ooh.
How awkward will it be? Yeah, yeah. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at that party. You know, sort of, yeah, in the corner on my phone. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's true. There's low expectations of you when you're that guy at the party. I can't be at an awkward party. I hate awkward and uncomfortable situations. I met Julia Louis-Dreyfus once at a party and she was talking to me. We were having a conversation, but
Because I was so nervous around her and uncomfortable because I'd never met her before that I stopped talking to her and turned around and walked away because I panicked. I panicked. I was like, she's going to find out that I'm stupid. Like she's going to know that I'm an idiot. And then I just left. And my sister was like, why would you? What's wrong with you? I said, I don't know. I didn't know what to do. She was talking to me.
And, you know, there's like a little stagnant part of the conversation. And now it's your turn to participate. And I walked away. Your brain's like, get out. Get out. Get out. Your flight or fight started going. Yeah. No, that's not horrible because it's a great story. Oh, yeah, yeah. Now it's a story of how you froze.
actually something embarrassing just happened to me and I was like very kind of actually kind of excited to maybe tell you guys about it and it this feels like a good moment that um I was like in my neighborhood I walked past a coffee shop and I saw Don Cheadle who I know and he's like one of my favorite actors ever and so like I'm still starstruck by him even though I've known him a long time and I was like I saw him I got so excited I was like Don it's
so in. He was really nice. And then I walked away. And then next time I was like near a mirror, I like looked in the mirror and I realized that I'd gotten dressed in the dark.
And I was wearing like a sweatshirt and I'd taken my kids to school. I'd gotten dressed really early in the dark. Jonathan got home like late from New York and I was like, didn't want to wake him up. So I grabbed the sweatshirt and it had like stains all over it. And then the kids had like spilled stuff. So then I had to like write it.
Like write an email to Don Cheetah like, hey, so like don't judge me. Things are actually going really well. I'm okay. I felt really good about that like running into you, but I might have had like crazy like coffee stains all over me. So anyway, there you go. When you meet your heroes. Oh, yeah. Party anxiety. All that. My big, I get anxious that people aren't going to remember who I am.
Me too. Yeah. It's Zoe. Hi. Yeah. Remember? Yeah. Here's what we, here's how we know each other. And it's like, no, of course I like, I've done that a couple of times. People are like, yeah, no, I know who you are. What are you talking about? Yeah.
No, but it is good to remind people out of context because there's so many people. Like a lot of times like people see so many people. Like I always say it just says my dad used to always do that. He'd be like, Caleb, it's Caleb. Like and it was good. I could tell like, you know, it's good to, you know, remind people because of out of context problems. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I'm not going to let people introduce themselves to me.
and we've met a million times, most of the time I do not know their name. - I forget names all the time too. I'll know their face and I'll go like, "Uh, I don't know. "What's it, Mark or Mike? "I don't know." - What's up, bro? - You start to panic.
I'm pretty good if I know people, you know, like, but sometimes you just don't know people well enough to know their name, you know? Yeah. All right, Eric, we've got one last little segment here for you. Okay. Nick's Box. Nick's Box is brought to you by Hyundai. When it comes to your journey, Hyundai is thinking of every mile.
So welcome back to this segment where we crawl into the back of Nick's closet and pull out the memories that the cast and crew of New Girl have kept hidden for years. You've done a few episodes of New Girl. What is your favorite, all-time favorite memory from working on the show? Oh, boy. Okay, give me a second to think. Give me a second to think about this one. You know, I think it's probably...
The scene in the last step of the final episode that I directed, it's this it's shooting this train. This scene where Taryn Killam is rambling on about trains and improvising. That was something where he improvised funny, like a ton of just.
facts about trains he's like just a dud of a boyfriend of like a guy that just starts dating and and oh yeah so that's the episode she loves his parents played by julie hagerty and uh henry henry winkler yeah who are like the best loveliest people in the world and it's just this like awkward dinner where she's like gotta break it off
And it's like, and yeah, I remember just, yeah, him just going on and on and on about trains and everyone just like dying.
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Did Liz or any writer or producer ever tell you, we just need to make sure that we have a bear somewhere in an episode, a little toy bear, a bear on the wall? Ever said to you? Oh my gosh. I'm not sure about the bear thing. I think there's some bear reference in the Latvia episode.
I think there was in a Latvia episode. Because in this episode, there's a bear in Winston's room. So the fan theory checks out for this episode. Okay. It checks out for this one. I don't know if I was told about the bear on this episode, but... See, it's a maybe. If it's there, it's there. It's possible. If it's there, it's there. You can't see. This is a point for me. Proof is in the pudding. Thank you, Eric. Thank you. That's hilarious. Thank you.
Eric, we might have to have you back to talk about some of your other episodes if you're willing. Yeah, please. Yeah, I would love to. I mean, there's so many fun memories. Yeah, the next one I did is like a flashback episode. There's more.
There's Schminn at the Christmas tree lot. Winston in Latvia. Yes. Yeah, so there's a lot of really, really fun stuff. I would absolutely love to. Okay, that would be amazing because this was so much fun. Thank you for taking the time and revisiting. And thanks for having me. It was great to see all of you again. So nice to see you. It's been fantastic, man. Such a pleasure to see you, bro. Yay!
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