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Ring, ring, ring, ring. May I please speak with Zoe? Oh, hello, Lamorne. Let's patch in Hannah. God, I forgot what it was like working with you guys. Welcome to the world.

Hi, friends. Welcome to our show. Welcome to our show. I don't know if we explained why our show was called Welcome to Our Show. We did. We did. We did. We did. In the Justin Long episode. Oh, okay. You know what? I get confused. Yeah. Guys, I have something to confess today. You're sick. I'm sick.

Of? You're sick of? I'm sick of you? I'm sick of this congestion. Yeah, so what do you have, Lamorne? Break it down. Hannah and I are moms, so we are basically doctors. That's right. Would you like a cookie? I think what it is, I think my body is breaking down. Your body? You're dying. You're slowly dying. We all are. That's just...

I'm hoping I clock out at 115. And, you know, once I'm 115, I'm good to go. Years old? Or fever? No. If I die of a fever of 115, that's my goal. You'd be really hallucinating at that point. That's hot. Absolutely. I'm telling you, I've got weird songs that are just like everything someone says right now, if it's got even a fraction of a lyric in it,

I'm just in this space where it like pops into my head. So you just said it's getting hot. You know, Nelly just popped up into my head. Oh, well, you know, it happened when I, when you just said that. Yeah. Because of my advanced age, I got hot flashes. Okay.

I'm going through changes, y'all. You're pre-menopausal right now? I'm going through the changes. He's post-menopausal. He had a menstruation episode on New Girl. Oh, that's right. Enough time has passed that it's now a menopausal episode. That's how old we are. 100%. Winston is... That's hot flashes. It's a perfect Winston episode. Joining the cast of Golden Girls now. Oh, I would love that so much. Oh, yeah.

Oh my gosh. Me too. Me too. Has anybody seen Golden Palace, which is the sequel spinoff?

Who was it? Everybody except the Arthur or something. No. Who was in it? A very young Don Cheadle. I'm not even joking. Yes. I mean, that's how we describe, you know, Lamorne all the time. Very young Don Cheadle. Thank you. Thank you for saying so. That means a lot to me. Or mildly Don Cheadle. Exact same age Don Cheadle.

Don Cheadle, who I love and I worked with, and he's amazing. He refuses to work with me, but it's okay. Well, guys, we're here to talk about an episode called Jess and Julia. Yes. One of the best. And which lots of LOLs. Oh, yeah. Is this the first time we meet June Diane Raphael?

Sadie? Yes, it is. We do because, and I think, Lamorne, you have this story, right? Because of a switcheroo of an episode. Yes, they switch the episode, and she's our friend who's a gynecologist. Yes, that is the fun fact. The fun fact about this one is, so in another episode, apparently...

Not sure if I could say this, but apparently one of the big, big, big wigs, one of our big producers thought that the episode that she was going to be introduced in was a little too heavy. Injured. Injured. Yeah. Too heavy. And so what they did was they switched the order of the episodes. And so she was introduced in this one. Right. So we'd already shot with her. Yeah. But it had not aired. Yeah.

Yet injured hadn't aired yet. They pushed it further down into the season. So this is the time the audience is meeting Miss June, who is going to be on the podcast.

Very excited. That's right. We hope. Right? That was supposed to be a secret. She has a lot of... She's on a podcast I love called How Did This Get Made. Oh, yeah. Do you guys know that podcast? I do. We start the episode with Nick and Julia. They're in bed together. Right? Is that how we start this episode? Cozy. I remember...

But Nick's bed, and for the audience out there, if you remember looking, just pay attention to the episode. Look at his sheets, right? They look like the dingiest sheets you've ever seen. And this is a fun fact. They are. And they smell awful. They did, actually, in real life. You smell them, yeah. Of course, we all did, because we all...

Had to be in that bed at some point or sit on that bed. And also crew members in between like, you know, lunch breaks and stuff like that. People would just go lay down in that bed. Heavy rotation on that bed. Not sure if they ever cleaned those sheets. I don't think they did. So if it looks dingy, it is dingy. Yeah. I did. My sheets didn't smell because they had me in that bed a lot. And I would be like, guys, please wash them. Like that.

I don't like germs. And I mean, who does really? And I was like, please. And I also have a dust allergy. So I was like, this is. So Lizzie Kaplan was just full like method in that moment. She was like, yeah, she'd start disgusting. She team player right there. So, you know, what's funny is I watched this episode last night with Jonathan and he was like.

When he saw Lizzie Kaplan, he's like, she looks like she's a part of your family. Yeah. And I was like, you know what? She does. We had a project like years ago that we were kind of talking about where we played like fraternal twins or friends that pretended to be fraternal twins. If you guys like that idea, just DM me. Don't actually DM me. I'll never see it. I say that. Just comment on Twitter.

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But yeah, so the episode starts off and they're lying in bed and talking. And then there's a group scene in the bathroom which sets up one of my favorite bits, which happens at the end of this episode with the towels. This is one of my favorite New Girl bits. And actually Jonathan said it was one of his favorite New Girl bits. Oh, mine too. At the end when it turns out that Nick is using...

Schmidt's towel that they've been both using the same towel and then Nick never washes the towel. Oh, yeah. He says the towel washes you. You know what? It's very solid child thinking, though, where you're kind of like it's hard to argue against the logic. If I've come out of the shower and my body has just been scrubbed clean and I'm just drying it with a towel.

What performative thing are we doing by sticking the towel in the wash to bring it out? Well, Hannah, there's something called... Mold. Mold. Yeah, thank you. But if you're hanging it to dry... Uh-huh.

There's no guarantee that there's not going to be some kind of microbial action. Hannah, you ever been hung out to dry metaphorically? I live on that rack, bro. You get real salty and bitter. Yeah. And also, do you think Nick is really great at actually washing his body? No. With soap.

There's no way. He might not be. He says he's clean, but we don't know what he's doing. He might not have fully washed. He might have just rinsed. And let's also keep this in mind. He says, I don't wash the towel. The towel washes me. So the towel's not just drying him. He's using the towel as an exfoliant. This is a guy who might not even know about soap. Oh, 100%. Remember, he doesn't use moisturizer either. And guys, also, in a moment like this,

This is a good time for me to drop a jewel. Drop a gem, if you will, on your foreheads. So get ready. Okay. My forehead's ready. Get the foreheads ready. Don't look up now, but here comes a gem. Ready to be dropped. This was a very iconic scene, just like you said. And it was a lot of people's funniest moment for them. It was definitely one of the funniest moments for me on the show.

It was almost killed. The scene was almost killed because... Really? I didn't know that. Yes. One of the higher-ups said that Schmidt would come off as too queenie. And they wanted to kill it, but kept it in. And then that became...

And Schmidt became, this is one of the reasons his character was so dynamic because of a moment like this and how he was freaking out about the towels. And it definitely sculpted his character. I don't, it definitely helped for sure. Yeah. You know, like anybody would be horrified to learn. Yeah. I don't, I don't think it designates you as any type of person, you know,

No, it was the entire thing. The towel storyline in general. The whole towel storyline. Yeah. I loved it. And I love Queenie Schmidt. That's my favorite. Yeah. One of my favorite characters.

Definitely top five characters for me on this show. It's so funny because when I guess you're making a show, you have to pick your battles, you know, what you're going to fight over the notes that come from the higher up. So I'm glad they fought for that because it's one of my favorite storylines in any episode. And I, in fact, think it's like one of the things, like it's such a definitive storyline for Schmidt. Like it's,

It's something I love. Sometimes there are things, you'll get notes where they fight against the thing that makes the character the most unique and exciting. And I definitely think that's a, you know, I think this was such a great storyline. And I love Schmidt's, you know, all of his character defining moments. Absolutely. ♪

Speaking of unique storylines, there's a whole storyline in this episode about Winston and

Having zero game. How does that compare to real life, Lamorne? I have zero game. I have a child. That means you had sex once, right? Once. But listen, that's all it takes. That's the whole point of sex, guys, to have kids. Nothing else. I did it. Mission complete.

Back to your original statement, Hannah, about Winston and not having game in this particular moment. This is a very interesting part of Winston's evolution. So remember, you know, we had spoken about the character being all over the place and some of his traits and being a new character on the show, trying to find out who exactly he was. If you're familiar with the show, Winston ends up being a sweetheart. He's, you know, a very sweet individual. In this moment, it's very interesting because

He's inconsiderate. He's cocky. I mean, the guy is a dick. You know what I mean? He ordered...

He ordered her water on their drink, on their first date, you know, for a drink. At her job. At her own job. Yeah. Either we saw the evolution of Winston throughout time, which, you know, throughout our rewatch we'll talk about, or the writers were truly trying to figure it out and realize that storyline probably just didn't work. What do you guys think? Well, I also think, like, what business does he have treating Kaylee Hawk like that? Ooh.

Look at her. She's gorgeous. The wonderful Kelly Hawk. I don't know. How could you? You know, I was really nervous the first time I worked with her.

Yeah, she's a stone cold fox. She is for real. Yeah, for reals. But then when you talk to her, she's the sweetest person. And so cute and like charming too. I think like it's a common thing that happens that men who have had, and women, but mostly men, that have kind of built in power and being famous, being an athlete, being whatever, translates into power.

don't have to be as charming or considerate because a lot of women are just attracted to the power and the access that can bring, or men are just naturally drawn to it, which can lead to somebody all of a sudden being less and less considerate.

Right. Because they don't have to work as hard. And so it's interesting in this storyline because initially he has, I guess, that kind of power. And so he's not being a very nice person. And now that power has been stripped. Right.

from him. Yeah. And she's just like, oh, it's just you. You can't take me to a fancy game where I will now put up and tolerate a little bit of this attitude. No. And I think it's a shock to his system. And those are moments of growth. Don't you think that? I mean, I really do truly. I mean, at this point in my life, people really do truly change. I mean, it could have been that Winston was inconsiderate and then became considerate. Right. So I've definitely seen that

With a lot of people, you know, as you get older, you know, you go through life changes. And I mean, I think I mean, I'm diving very deep into Winston's psyche, but going to Latvia and then like kind of like like losing that, you know, basketball part of his life is is a big thing. And maybe a humbling thing that turns him into a more considerate person. Yeah, it gets us to watch it.

In this episode. Yeah. Yeah. Him becomes a slightly better version of himself. Oh, that's right. This just in Callie Hawks, Callie Hawks jewelry line is H crown. The first black woman to have her jewelry on the cover of Vogue. Really? That's amazing. I mean, when you spent, it's interesting when I spent time with her,

It would be, she would talk a lot about, you know, her eclectic taste in jewelry and she would have all these cool rings on and she would say, I found this at this boutique shop for this thing. And this, and I was so fascinated by that. And me, I was also confused. I was like, you're an actor. How do you know so much about jewelry? And then here you go. It's always been her thing.

So diving right back in. I need to talk about this. I need to talk about it because it bugged me watching it. Like I know. Yes, go ahead. Because our friendship is real. Yes.

This part where Julia goes, the judge might buy into this whole thing. Oh, yeah. No, I know. So, you know, it's so funny. I actually paused because I was watching with Jonathan and I actually paused. I was like, this is this. The thing that this episode gets so well, and I think just like hats off to our team of writers is

And our director, I think is it Jake Kasdan directed this one, I think. Right. And I love wrote this one. Oh, did Love Rockay. Oh, that's right. Love Rockay wrote this. Yeah. So hats off to Jake Kasdan and Love Rockay. Love wrote this episode and Jake Kasdan directed it.

And also our whole team of writers and everyone, because this captured something that I have a hard time explaining to people, especially people who haven't been on the receiving end of this type of treatment. I've had this many times in my life where it's like a type of contempt. And that type of contempt is for something you kind of can't help. It's something like,

That's like deep in your soul. Like who Jess is, is who Julia, you know, has a problem with at the beginning of this episode. And I mean, it can happen to anybody, of course, but it does happen a lot with women. And it was always this thing where it's like hard to explain. I'm like, no, no, no. And I think this episode gets it so well, especially when

Cece and Jess and Sadie are talking around the kitchen island and Nick comes in and they're kind of rehashing what Julia said. And it doesn't if you and it's all about tone of voice. But you can tell from Julia's tone of voice that she like has this disdain for Jess because

About Jess's choice in clothes and, you know, her sense of humor and kind of little things that aren't really mean or attacks on Julia or anything. But for some reason, Julia hates them. And it's the worst feeling in the world when somebody just, like, hates you for who you are. Have you ever had that? Have you guys ever had that? I have. Where somebody just hates you for who you are? It's hard because she's not even...

The way she frames it and phrases it, which I found like so hard to digest, is it's not even like, I don't dig you. It's, I don't believe that is who you are. I think that you're putting it on to make yourself...

cutesy so that you can get away with things in life. And if I behaved like that and I put that on, then I could have, you know, things be easier for me. And that was like the hard part of it where people kind of look and think that you're like playing up being sexy or playing up being like a little dumb or whatever it is. They think you're doing it. You're like, no, that's just, yeah, that's just me. It's funny. I have, I mean, I personally have dealt with that a lot. Like,

A lot of this sort of episode was based on a lot of people, especially when the show came out. I mean, attack is kind of a strong word. Maybe being snarky or kind of being critical of me, Zoe, as a person, for the things that I like and the way I express myself. And I remember Liz telling me how mad it made her when, you know,

people would dismiss me or treat me that way. And I think I, that was like, I so appreciated that, that we could kind of address it in this episode between the Jess and the Julia characters.

Because, you know, it was something that was frustrating for me because I guess it's frustrating to be pigeonholed or have people assume that you're putting something on or, you know. Well, you were hyper dissected. I felt like when this show came out and it was like people were trying to parse out the parts that they just felt were that they didn't believe, which is basically what happens in this episode.

And what's so great about it is it kind of just culminates in this unapologetic, like firing back of like, this is exactly who I am. All of it.

All of it. And you don't have to like it, but you do have to believe it. This is who I am. Exactly. Exactly. And I, you know, not everybody's going to like you in life. But I remember there were a lot, I was having to defend myself a lot for wearing bows or things like that, where I'm like, well, that's just my taste and...

And maybe it's unusual. Maybe it's silly. Maybe it's like something that, you know, a child would want to wear. But I'm still an accomplished person who, you know, I'm not a child just because I like to dress like one.

That's a good t-shirt, by the way. That's a good t-shirt. Let's write that down for the merch line. But I think a lot of people related to it. I think a lot of people had, especially women, have been dismissed and had their clothing taste dissected in a way that a lot of men don't have to deal with. I mean, you look at when Hillary Clinton ran for president and everybody's like,

She chose to wear a red pantsuit. And you're like, nobody said Donald Trump chose to wear a navy pantsuit. Nobody said that, you know, about the male candidates. People were just talking about, you know, what she chose to wear and dissecting it. And I think that's just something as a female, a lot of times you're having to deal with. I'm not saying men never have to deal with it. I deal with it all the time.

You deal with that all the time? I deal with it all the time. You know what? I feel like the undercurrent of the whole thing is, is that we spend so much of our lives, especially in school, just trying to blend in and not be noticed because it's scary to put yourself out there. And then...

if you're lucky enough in life, you develop the confidence to identify the things you really like that are specific to you and then to put them out into the world. And for most people, that kind of confidence to be like, I like polka dots and I like to hang out with Glitta during the day and do my crafts. I think for a lot of people who it's, um,

It's that thing where it shines a light within themselves. Right. That's insecurity. That's right. Where it exposes it. And so they need to attack you. Yeah, they resent that you feel confident enough to be yourself. That's it. And it makes them upset because they don't feel like they have the confidence to be themselves. I mean, I'm sure it's different for everybody, every situation. But that's kind of my takeaway on this episode. I do want to say...

Shout out to Lizzie Kaplan, who is so great and did such a wonderful job of capturing this, like, insecurity in a person and how it comes out. Like, you know, she's obviously a very intelligent person. You know, Julia is like a lawyer. She's very accomplished. But she dislikes Jess for the things that make Jess Jess. Yeah.

And that's very hard to for Jess to take. And I think it's also an expression of Julia's own, you know, insecurities. Here's the thing that was hard about the episode two to watch. Right. Because everything we're saying right now is so true. Like Julia is so wrong for like attacking the authenticity of Jess. But then.

Jess does something that I believe is so shady. And Julia calls her out in such a direct way. Oh, what did Jess say that was shady? I think it was a little shady to go and tell Nick. Yeah. That, hey, guess what?

This whole thing that you guys think you're so cool about labels. She wants to know if you're sleeping with other people. And that's like such a break of girl code. Yeah. I mean, it's hard though, because Julia is not being very nice to her. And I think what she's trying to do is I think what Jess is trying to do is to prove to Nick that, you know, that there's this stuff going on under the surface and,

And totally, I agree. It's wrong for her to repeat that. But Julia never asks her not to say anything. I think the fans really know what's going on here. But it's hard to say girl code when they're not friends. You know what I mean? I think, mm-mm.

It is shady the way that Jess does it. I agree. Because Julia calls her out and says, I know why you did it. I know why you did it, which is? You're trying to steal my man. You're trying to steal my man. Deep down, you want him. And I know deep down, he's going to end up running to you. And I know it. I see it. She's crying. She understands that there's a deeper connection. And she calls it. And guess what? Girl is right. Well, she is right.

She is right. Obviously, Jess and Nick end up together. But I don't think Jess knows that. It's definitely not intentional. And I think Jess goes to the bathroom to apologize. What if we did a read? Because she knows she was wrong for doing that. What if we did like a rewind and we did like flashbacks and every episode, every situation that ever happened, Jess goes into her room and writes into her diary.

Dear diary, today it worked. My grandmaster planned to get Nick every little issue. I think it is what makes this episode good. It's like Jess has to have flaws and it is a flaw and it is shady that she said that so directly to Nick without, you know, I definitely think there would be a way to kind of indicate to

to Nick that Julia wanted something more without telling him what she said, you know? Right. Well, it's one of those things where the mature response is it's like, it's none of your business, right? Like let these grown people figure out their grown relationship on their own. But it's hard because you feel like this chick has attacked me. Why am I going to sit here and have your back? Yeah.

No, that's right. And so it gets messy. And that's what I love about this show is that it's messy. They're all making mistakes. Right. And you watch Jess be fully in the right in this relationship with this woman who's not being cool with her. And so then you watch her be like, oh, you want to poke the bear? Let's go. I'll poke you right back. So is that the bear in this episode? You know what the bear was? The where's the bear? Where's the bear? Where's the bear? Where's the bear?

Teddy Ruxpin reference. Teddy Ruxpin reference. Yeah. Teddy Ruxpin been doing it for decades, man. Teddy Ruxpin. Teddy Ruxpin. If you're listening, if you're listening, please come on the podcast. We would love to have you.

Teddy Ruxpin. That's nice because sometimes, you know, I have to like really reach for these bear moments and that's a legit one. By the way, I do say blankie and I'm not ashamed. Still? I like a good blankie. I'll say blankie. Well, I say blankie because, well, it's like sometimes it's like you're trying to express. I think blankie expresses something that blanket does not. It's like if I'm like, oh, I'm so tired and I had a bad day or something and I just like want to go home. Like,

I just want to go home and get under a blanket. Doesn't sound the same as, I just want to girl up with my blankie. You know, then you're like, I know you want to be babied. By saying that, you're kind of like expressing that. I also have two kids. And so. You want to be swaddled. We get it. All right, everybody, we're going to go to break and hear about some products that Lamorne loves. And.

when we come back, we're going to, we have a little audio clip from Lizzie Kaplan. I, she sent me very kindly and I have not listened to it yet. So we're all going to be surprised to hear Lizzie's take on this episode. So don't go away. We'll hear you or you'll hear us in a little bit.

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And we're back with Welcome to Our Show. And we have an audio clip from the wonderful Lizzie Kaplan that we're all going to hear for the first time right now. Hi. So it's worth mentioning right off the bat that I have a terrible memory, like one of the worst memories of all time. So forgive me if it's all a little blurry here.

She's drunk. But one thing I do remember from my time on The New Girl, which was, I do remember it was very, very fun. I remember I had a really good time. But in the lead up, I got a call from Liz Merriweather, who we were friends. We still are friends. And she asked me if I wanted to come on the show, her new sitcom that she was making to play

like a foil to Zoe's character. She kind of explained it to me. And I remember being instantly interested in this, partly because I think Liz is truly a genius. And I was also a fan of Zoe's. We had never met. I'm pretty sure we had never met. But one thing that was happening at the time to me was,

constantly was that I would be compared, I guess primarily physically, to Zoe. I guess maybe that wasn't the whole thing. It wasn't just physically. It was like a constant, like, oh, she looks just like Zoe. She is just like Zoe. Oh, she's like a Zoe Deschanel type, like over and over and over again. And while...

There are worse things. Like it wasn't like gross, like it at all. It was like partly, it partly made me feel really good. But I also just disagreed with it. I felt like our sensibilities were and are so different. And so I would try to figure out like, what is it? We both have like big eyes, right?

We both are partial to bangs. Like, what is it? Because our vibes feel like kind of polar opposites. So this was like something that was happening in my life. There's zero chance that anybody was telling...

you Zoe that you were a Lizzie Kaplan type like that was just not a conversation that was happening I've always said that but I remember when Liz called me and talked to me about it was like ah here's an opportunity to put this thing to bed and then maybe people will stop saying I'm like a budget Zoe Deschanel and I can like go off and have my own career so that was like I guess my reasoning behind doing it

It was like tailor-made for that argument. I mean, that was like the premise of the show. And that's like, I guess my biggest memory from it. I had known Jake for a while as well. I wanted to hang out with him. I think I knew Max too. It was just like, it was just like the show with the kids that I liked because we were kids at the time. Yeah, that's all I got. I guess I could try to rack my brain for more. Let me know.

Hope you're well. Very excited about this. Okay, this is so great. You know, I got to say, like, Lizzie is so awesome. And I think what was similar about us is that we both have low voices. And we have sort of, we could be sisters, right? You know, and then we look, you know, a bit alike.

and have brown hair and bangs. But for sure, 100% agreed, we have really different takes. She's a totally different actor and so awesome in her own right. And I do think it was really smart of Liz to cast her in that role. And I'm so happy that Lizzie

you know, took the part because I think it was just, it was really perfect. It would kind of, it was perfect as in it showed how different we were, you know, for her as an actor, it was perfect in that it perfectly illustrated this kind of particular type of character conflict, I guess. So I love hearing that. That's, that's so interesting. It's like your evil twin. Yeah. It's very rare that you get actually get an opportunity to,

to act across from and display the incredible differences between yourself and someone that the industry has said you are the budget version of. Well, in a show where they tell you, Hannah, and me that we both can't have bangs because we both have brown hair and bangs, the Lizzie Kaplan's of the world are

It's, you know, you wouldn't think that that they would put two people that, you know, look similar because they're so afraid of anybody. But again, that's the exact reason why Don Cheadle and I haven't worked together. Is Don Cheadle the Julia to your Jess or the Jess to your Julia? 100%. Remember Taye Diggs was on our show. We never really shared the screen together because the people would have gone crazy. They would have gone crazy.

Well, that's so interesting to hear that that was a huge motivation for her to take the role. It makes me think, did you do a music video with Katy Perry? I did. I know there's a lot of Katy Perry, Zoe stuff that's in the chat. She wasn't in it. It was right after she had her baby and she couldn't do a whole video. Right.

She was in it at the very beginning, and then it was aliens mistake me for her. And they think that I'm her, and then I have to go onto the spaceship.

and do a performance as katie perry um but um yeah so we did but you know what's so funny is now i don't because she's like changed her hair so many times and she really like has that pop star aesthetic i i i do not think we look as much alike as we did once upon a time um

Yeah. So, but it was so much fun to do that. Yeah. So I actually have gotten to work with some of my doppelgangers. And you got any doppelgangers out there? I don't, I mean, I guess that's a good question to ask. People used to mistake you for Kim Kardashian, right? That's true. I, when I moved to LA and I had my bangs, uh,

I did get chased down the street. Did she have bangs at the time? She had just cut bangs and I had bangs. And friends took me to dinner at a little restaurant called Nobu.

Hollywood. If you guys aren't familiar with Nobu, it's the place Zoe goes to after she lands her private jet. Okay, wait. Can I just say, no, no, no. I don't have a private jet. I don't take private jets. Lamorne keeps teasing me about this.

Yeah, I got chased down the street by these paparazzi screaming Kim and running after me. And I also actually didn't know who they were talking about. I remember that being like, I don't know why, because there's like Kim, Kim. And they're just like running after me, getting out of the car to go into the restaurant. I just moved to L.A. and I was like, I don't.

I don't know what's happening. Guys, I'm not Kim Basinger. I'm not. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that. That was the big lookalike. Did people tell you you look like Padma? Because they did keep making that comparison in the show. Remember? Like Schmidt says it. Yeah, I feel like...

I feel like it did happen in the show, but Padma Lakshmi is like a direct reason of why I got a job and my visa to work down here in the States. Yeah. The show that got me my visa and offered me a job to relocate from Canada here.

was a show called WCG Ultimate Gamer. And they wanted a host. And the two guys that created that show, Dwight and Michael, Dwight Smith and Michael Agbabian, they were huge Top Chef fans.

Huge Top Chef fans. And so they were like, ooh, what have we got like a Padma Lakshmi type to host? And because Top Chef was huge and she was hosting that show and there weren't a lot of South Asian women walking through their door to host this gamer show. And then I walked in and I had bangs and the long hair and I was Indian. And they were like, what do you know about gaming? You're like, Kim Kardashian is Indian? Yeah.

They're like, what do you know about the gaming world? I'm like, not a lot. They're like, it's okay. Perfect. Perfect. Yeah, you look like the chick that, that great cooking show that we like. So it'll work. And so I remember years later being at the Governor's Ball, the after party from the Emmys, right? The Globes. Come on. One of them. The Emmys. The Emmys. And I remember being there and

I met her for the first time and I told her that story, probably missing a bunch of it and over enthusiastically expecting her to be like, what? I think she was just sort of like, I'm like, you're responsible for me being here. You broke the amazing. And I think she was like, OK, you're welcome.

I'll walk away. Anytime you like run up to somebody really excited, even if you like know them. Yeah. It's not always like the best response because I've done that to people I know thinking they're going to be like, like I have something I really want to tell them. I haven't seen them in a long time. And then usually they don't react well.

Right. Well, because for me, she's like this huge defining person in my life that because of her being on TV, this is why representation matters so much. Right. They considered me for a job I probably wouldn't have been considered for. So for her, it was like a like for me. Sorry, it was a huge moment. But for her, it means nothing. I didn't change her life in any way. Me showing up didn't change her life in any way. So it was just a very honest human reaction of like,

It's very nice to meet you. You know, I'm happy for you. I'm going to go back to eating my crew today. So but I remember that moment. So, yes, maybe that's the doppelganger. And it led to like a real result. You guys, real result. Because then I got my job and it's down here. That's where doppelganger-ness helps people. That's right. Oh, yeah. It was helpful. People used to tell me they would get audition notices that would say,

Lamorne Morris type. I'd be so pissed off because I didn't get that call. I'm the Lamorne Morris type. You want to float that job towards me? I would have taken that job. I know a few people that there's a cat named Edwin Brown. Obviously strikingly handsome. He's on season two of You, I want to say. Edwin Brown. He a murderer? No, but he would message me

And people say we look alike. And I would look at the photo and I was pissed. I was like, we do look alike. Damn it, we do look alike. And then I started getting all these messages from folks going, oh my God, Winston is on you. Winston is on you. And I was like, what are they talking about? And then when I watched- By the way, it's a very interesting sentence without capitalizing the U. Winston is on you? All the time. Okay, so I just looked him up and I at first was like, what?

really and then there was like a facial expression like i scrolled down and there was like one picture where i was like wait is that lamorne or edwin brown oh yeah i gotta say he he has one expression that looks like an expression you make and it makes you guys really look

I like to think I've inspired a generation. Okay. Or just that you look like that one guy. Yeah. That would actually have been like a fun episode that never really happened. A new girl where have you had like Lizzie Kaplan, Bhad Malakshmi, Mr. Brown. Playing us. Wait, I guess there is a flashback moment, right? Where we see all of our doppelgangers. Yeah.

Right. That exists in New Girl. There's an episode. A flashback? A flashback moment. What am I saying here? There is. Yeah, where we look across the bar and we see a bunch of friends that look like us. I had a stand in. I think she actually stood in for me on the pilot. And she was my stand in on 500 Days of Summer. And she looked awesome.

so much like me. And we had one scene in 500 Days of Summer where he gets on a bus and there's like all, I'm on every seat, basically. Spoiler alert. But they actually had a whole bus full of women dressed up as me. Like as kind of placeholders and then they ended up putting me in like later. But it was really kind of

Funny to see that many people dressed up as me. That would be so surreal. That would be so trippy. Yeah. Hey, guys, question for you. How does this episode end? I want to turn this conversation. That episode ends with, well, the conclusion to the Julia story is that she comes in and joins our knitting, crocheting party, right? That's right. And then the conclusion to the

Schmidt storyline is that he goes for the Jillian Vigman character. He goes for it with her. Hey, let me tell you something. Based on what Cece says and then gets arrested. Hey, I want to talk about that really quickly. Sorry. Yeah, yeah.

So in this episode, he runs after her and the security guards see this and they go and beat him up and arrest him. Yeah. I mean, even as an audience member, when you see him running across, we know that, you know, they like each other. Right. And it's happening. Right. He ran too damn fast. You don't do that. You don't run that fast. And he yelled. Yeah. Yeah. And he didn't run over a car. Yeah. Jumped over, you know, parkour. Yeah, he does. He parkoured, screamed at her.

but she was again anytime you run at somebody so enthusiastically yeah you know she was into it she was like thank you finally yeah they didn't get to pick up on that audio so they just went into like straight up hero mode yeah whoops I would have done the same thing I'm not gonna lie to you

That woman was ready, willing, and able. She was down. She was down. And then the towel conclusion was the thing that we talked about. Oh, and then, sorry, your storyline where you take Kaylee Hawk home from a date and she doesn't give you a kiss. She just walks into her apartment. But you're excited because you did

You were a gentleman. And then you did your weird touchdown dance. And you did that weird dance. Guys, that's not a weird dance. That's not a weird dance. That called it. What is that? Gumby body? Very noodley. You had a gumby body when you did that dance. Kind of a gumby body. And here's why I say that. There's an old Jamaican, there's an old reggae singer named Shabba Ranks. And he used to have the gumby haircut. And he would dance like this. And he would go.

He'd body roll and put his fingers together. That was kind of a version of the Shabaranks dance. That's what I was doing. I'm going to bring in the True American. True American. Welcome to True American, where the rules change weekly and you leave more confused than when you showed up. This week, we're answering listener letters. That's right. It's time to open up Ben Franklin's letter bag. Ben Franklin, who has the same birthday as me, you guys. No, he doesn't. That's real. For real?

Yeah. I mean, not the same year. I'm going to say like, damn you all. Damn, you look pretty good. I look pretty good for being 300 years old. Okay, so...

Here's some questions from Tyler M. Tyler M. How did you guys come up with the scream cry that Winston does? I mean, we didn't. I had nothing to do with it. What more do you want to answer? I'd pinch him really hard. That could have been it. You know, I was also injury prone on set, so it was probably some audio they captured for me.

breaking my thumb on a jar of honey. I don't know. But I do think the scream cry, every time Winston did something weird and obscure that just didn't make sense, I got to say it was probably, well, not probably, it was for sure one of the writers, maybe Liz, you know, the writers would come up with these weird bits and you would see them in the wings just waiting to come up to me and say, with like a shy, sheepish grin,

Hey, can you try this thing? We know it's going to be a little. And I was always game for it. And I think that's where the scream cry comes from. But as I'm speaking, holy crap. No, as I'm speaking, I'm realizing what scream cry they're talking about. Is it the? That is from if you YouTube best cry ever.

It was from one of those reality shows where a guy was getting off drugs and trying to make his life right with his family. And that's how he cried in real life. It's from Intervention. Intervention. That's what it's from. It's from Intervention. I remember that so well because I really like that show. There we go. I think they gave me a note and then I pulled out the Intervention parody. Oh.

Okay, from Emily W. Are any of the characters on the show based on real life people? Okay, now this is more of a question for Liz Merriweather, but I know that she had a friend she called Schmidt. She also has a best friend called Cece. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, and she lives in India.

Oh, wow. She lives in India. She's not Indian, but she lives in India. And I remember I went to a dinner that Liz had and there was place cards for everybody at the dinner. And there was a place card that said, Cece.

And I was like, well, that's weird because, you know, like when Liz and I hang out, it's not like she confuses me for my character. Right. But I naturally went and sat down there because I'm just after so many years, you're just so used to like, whatever. I guess things are interchangeable. Whoever made these place cards made a mistake. And then Cece.

walked up and she was like, I think you're sitting in my seat. That's so funny. And I was like, what? And then it turns out that we knew a bunch of people in common in India, which is really strange. And our worlds were like really small. There are a lot of people live in India. You know, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy from India. Yeah.

It was really strange. So I do know that there is a real Cece and she is like in fashion.

And is so cool. And she was so nice. And we became like besties hanging out at that dinner. And also the saddest part is this goes to show how like distracted you can be in life and just used to being confused for something else is that my seat was actually directly next to her with my name on it. And you didn't look at it. No, I just was like, oh, CC and sat down. Didn't think about it. You thought you had two seats.

That's so funny. So I think Jess was a little bit based on Liz. And then, of course, you know, we all end up having elements of our own selves that end up in the characters. Just let's face it. Yeah.

But we should put this question in the bucket of when Liz Mayer comes on the show. Yes, for sure. For sure. Walk us through. I will say this. So the reason why Jess and Cece were from Portland was that at some point I was talking about my grandma's, my...

I had both my grandmas were still alive when we were, you know, at the beginning of shooting this show. And I was like, they said, how's your grandma? And I was like, which grandma? Colorado grandma? I was like, Boulder grandma or Portland grandma. And then Portland grandma died.

My grandma who lived in Portland, Grandma Betty, as opposed to Granny Ann. Grandma Betty was the inspiration because she lived in Portland. I have a lot of family in the Pacific Northwest. So that's kind of why Jess and Cece were born.

Ended up being from Portland. And Jess is a big Portland Trailblazers fan. Scotty! Yeah, well, she and her mom play basketball all the time. There you go. Told you.

Okay, I'm going to do one more and then we can tackle these other questions on another episode because I feel like we want to have time to really get into them. All right. This is from Karina L. I've always loved all the song choices made in the show. I was wondering if the cast was ever involved in choosing the songs. Well, I will say this. They did license some She and Him stuff over the years. Really?

Yes. I did not know that. Yeah. And then also we did do a version of God Only Knows for New Girl for one of the Christmas episodes. I can't remember which season. And then Brian Wilson heard our version and liked it so much that he asked us to record a version, do a video version.

of a version of us you know singing with him so that was pretty cool um but yeah i mean a lot of there were a lot liz has fantastic taste in music they always had um you know great great songs i'm i'm sure you know when you're on a show this long there there's inspiration coming from all directions because we had so many episodes to make so i'm sure you know

Everybody was somehow involved in everything at some point. I know. I for sure. Me, Sam Richardson and I wrote a song, wrote and sang, performed. And that's music jargon. We wrote and performed a song called Elations.

At the funeral. I also did write a couple songs in the show, too. Oh, yeah, not at the funeral. Because you guys were just driving in the car, right? No, we were at the bar. We were at the bar. I gave him one of my greatest hit CDs. Oh, yeah. And elations is something. Him and I, we just... I'm not going to lie to you. We did it.

You did it. We did it. I wrote the episode with Joey King. She's in my class. It's like season one or two. And I sing a song to her. And I wrote that song. One of the songs. The other one I think maybe Ludwig maybe wrote. Anyway, this was so much fun. Yes, indeed. I had no idea you serenaded Joey King.

Yeah, she was like playing a middle schooler on our show. Does that make you feel old? Oh, yeah. She was like 13 or 14. Yeah. And bald. Fun fact, she was bald when shooting that episode because she was also filming. She didn't shave her head. Gypsy Rose? No, she was shooting Dark Knight. Yes. Oh. Dark Knight. Really? So she came in bald. Yep. Oh.

And by the way, I love these questions from the listeners. It's my favorite thing. It was one of the major reasons we wanted to do this podcast was to make sure that we could answer all your questions. So this is a fun, true American. Like it. Yes. Yes. And we have lots more questions. So we'll we'll be answering more on future episodes. Peace, guys. Thanks so much for listening. Like and subscribe. Like and subscribe. Five stars. All right. Five stars. Bye.

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