"A Whirlwind Election" Nears The Finish Line
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Tuesday, November 5th, 2024. I'm Dave Anthony. The race for the White House is finally ending, and it could be a photo finish. It's a coin toss. You know, there's too many states that are too close, and there's too many states that are

up for grabs and no, anybody who tells you they know how it's going to turn out is either foolhardy or are deluding themselves. And Lisa Brady, the 2024 presidential race has been full of surprises. We have had one of the most dramatic set of twists and turns since July, since Kamala Harris replaced Joe Biden on the ballot and all the

chaos in the Democratic Party and the conventions and the assassination attempts. And I'm Brian Kilmeade. I've got the final word on the Fox News Rundown. We finally reached the end of the road to the White House. With your vote, we're going to win North Carolina. We're going to defeat Kamala.

And we're going to make America great again. Former President Trump rallying in Raleigh to start the last day before the election. He ended up late the night in Grand Rapids, Michigan, after also holding rallies in Pittsburgh and Redding, Pennsylvania. The day I take the oath of office.

The migrant invasion ends and the restoration of our country begins. Vice President Harris spent her entire last day in Pennsylvania, the biggest prize of the battleground states with 19 electoral votes. Are we ready to do this? We're ready to get out. We're ready to win.

She went to Scranton first, and before Harris held her final late-night rally in Philadelphia, the vice president also campaigned in Reading and Pittsburgh and Allentown. We are optimistic and excited about what we will do together, and we here know it is time for a new generation of leadership in America.

Tens of millions of Americans have already voted early, about half the total number of votes in 2020. And this time around, it's believed six states will decide who wins the election. All are toss-ups with razor-thin poll margins. Pennsylvania and Michigan, North Carolina and Georgia, Nevada and Wisconsin. Nothing like it in history. I mean, think about it. We've only had one other sort of contest where a likely candidate of a party withdrew.

Lyndon Johnson in 1968. Carl Rove is a Fox News contributor known as the architect. From his time as a senior advisor to President George W. Bush, he was also deputy White House chief of staff. We've had other presidents say, I'm not going to run for re-election, but we've never had, to my knowledge, had a candidate who said, I'm running and then withdrew. And, and,

You know, we've never had a debate in June, June 27th. Whoever thought that up on the Biden campaign probably is kicking themselves. And it knocked the president out of the race. It knocked him out of the race. And thank God it did. Imagine how bad it would be for our country. Bad, be bad for the Democrats, but be bad for the country to have a contest between somebody who clearly is not capable of serving four more years and a candidate who is. I mean, people would say, why are we having this choice thrust upon us?

So thank goodness we had the debate on June 27th. I suspect Kamala Harris and others and Democrats would hope that they had been able to get Biden out of the race sooner than July 21st. And then we have the attack, the first attack on President Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. We have an unusual Republican convention as a result. After that, we have the

Democratic convention, a highly unusual convention. And then we have the first debate, the only debate between the two of them on September 10th. And then we have another attempted assault on the former president at his golf club in southern Florida. You know, when you go through all that, it is crazy to look at this where we are. Are you surprised that it's been as close in all of the surveys as it is? I'm surprised about two things. One, how remarkably stable it's been.

Think about it. Since the 25th of September, you can just look at those national lines, and she drops about three-tenths of a percent, and he grows like nine-tenths of a percent, and we're within a point or two of each other in most surveys nationwide and in the battleground states, and it's been remarkably stable. If you had... It's radio.

We're in a podcast studio. We can't have a whiteboard. If you had one, what would you have on it as you look to the keys of the day?

Well, I'd be looking at on the exit polls, what is the vote among women versus what is the vote among men? Because if the margin among women is as big or bigger than Trump's margin among women. Among men. Yeah, among men. Yeah. Then she's going to win. Have you ever seen a gap this starkly? No, no. And the same with college educated versus non-college educated whites.

You know, we're all going to be looking at what's the percentage of the black vote that the Democratic nominee gets. Who's going to get, you know, she needs to be up there in the 90-10 range to be able to prevail. Think about this, a 1% decline in turnout in black community in Georgia. If they voted the same way they did four years ago, a 1% decline in turnout.

would doom the Democrats this time. In turnout alone, but what if a few percentage points, they decide to go Trump? Yeah, what if rather than 8%, they go 12%? That's going to have a huge impact in not only there, but also Pennsylvania. What about the Hispanic vote?

That's going to be interesting to watch because, look, there is no one Hispanic vote. There's the Tejano vote. There's the Cuban vote. There's a Central American vote. There's a Colombian and Venezuelan vote. And what's interesting to me is 4% of the voters in the battleground state of Pennsylvania are Puerto Rican Americans. How are they going to react to the Madison Square Garden? Oh, right. The garbage. Right. Floating island of garbage. But then, of course, President Biden inserts himself. Yeah.

calling some supporters garbage. And do you think that gave the former president kind of an out from that? I don't know, but it certainly dominated the news. The person who probably hated that most of all was Kamala Harris, who said, really, I'm going to be burdened by another offhand comment by the president that's going to keep me from driving my message home for 48 hours or 36 hours. Remember, the most important thing here in the final week or two of the campaign is time.

Because you can always raise more money. You can create another issue, but you can't create more time. And if you get it chewed up with, you know, either on his part, the Madison Square Garden, you know, comment by the comic or by her, the offhand comment, not one, but two of them here in the final weeks by Joe Biden.

I mean, it's just, you know, you cannot imagine how problematic it is and how upset campaigns can be when the things outside their control, you know, basically grab control of the day's story away from them because each and every day matters in driving home your closing message. In the final, on election day itself, can they do anything or is it over for the campaigning? Oh, no, no. You know, you can make one last stop.

on election day to sort of draw attention to a place you need to. And your people have to get the vote out. And your people have to get the vote out. And that's the main thing is that day is the day that is the last chance you have, obviously, to get to call people, knock on their door, text them to say you haven't yet voted. It's really important. Don't let anything keep you from the polls. Because remember,

You know, we'll be lucky if 65 or 70 percent of the population vote. I saw this interview. I think it was in The Washington Post where they're interviewing this woman. And they said, well, when are you going to make up your mind? She said, I think I'll make up my mind on when I'm driving to the polls. And there are people like that. Does that mean you're a political guy? You've done campaigns all along.

Do those people scare you? Well, because you can't you don't know what uncertainty is the worst. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But the reality is they're just people in our society who say the politics of my country is important, but not as important as 20 other things in my life. And I understand that. So this race, it's believed, comes down to these battleground states, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, North Carolina, Nevada, maybe Arizona. We've have in the power rankings, lean Trump.

there is another state. Over the weekend, a survey comes out of Iowa that nobody sees coming, and it makes it look like Vice President Harris could win that state. Other surveys, though, have it way different. So what do you think? Well, it's a first-rate pollster, but look, not every great pollster gets everything right.

And the suggestion here is that Trump would lose the state by eight points. Actually, who won it by eight points would lose it by three. That's an 11-point swing. That is roughly one out of every five voters who voted for him last time. Has that ever happened that you can remember?

You know, not without some other sign. And, you know, we'd know about it. People would be saying, I'm feeling things are different. I'm talking to friends. I'm talking to neighbors who, you know, we'd see it in congressional district polls. If there was a U.S. Senate race or statewide election, we'd see it in those polls, too. We'd see some diminution of the strength of the incumbent. But look, she is a great pollster and she has called these races right.

But I think this one is an avalanche. Okay. So let's look ahead to the evening. What trend will you look for first? Where do you look for your trends? Well, I'm going to look at the beginning of the evening. I'm going to be looking at counties in two or three of the states that report early. Georgia and North Carolina, which are battleground states, and then Florida.

I'll be looking at Florida just to see how much better is Trump doing or how much better is Harris doing than 2016. And in North Carolina and Georgia, I'm going to be particularly looking where I can at

Like in North Carolina, Nash County and Georgia, Clayton County, which are dominated by black voters. I want to see how they're turning out compared to the four years ago and how well is Harris doing and how well is Trump doing? OK, but really, I'm going to be looking more at the places where the campaign has been conducted. Think about it. We've spent a the Biden Harris campaign. Now the Harris campaign has spent a billion six dollars.

$1.6 million. And the Trump campaign has spent nearly a billion dollars. And most of that media has been in the seven battleground states. So those states are really going to be affected more than, say, a non-battleground state like Indiana, Kentucky, Virginia. Is there going to be a surprise state? Democrats think they could possibly win Florida. They could possibly unseat Senator Rick Scott there. Or maybe even in your state, Ted Cruz could be upset. Do you think those are possibilities? No. Okay.

Flat no. No. Yeah. Look, they've been spending a lot of money. Scott and Cruz have their vulnerabilities, but no, that's not going to happen. I have to say, going back, people think this is going to be a super close election, maybe as close as we've had in a long time. You were there in 2000. Bush-Gore. Yeah. Goes to the Florida Supreme Court, the U.S. Supreme Court. We don't know the result for weeks and weeks. Do you fear that could happen again?

Well, Florida, it happened because the Democrats were violating the law. Remember, it's a 7-2 decision before the Supreme Court with Souter and Breyer joining the conservatives on the court to say what Gore is attempting to do violates the law because he is attempting to get a selective recount in only three counties in Florida as opposed to all 60 some odd counties.

So it was a seven of two decision. It was five four on should we remand this to the Florida Supreme Court again and tell them we've told you once already, get this right, or shall we just declare an end to it? And five justices said we're too close to the meeting in the Electoral College. We're drawing an end to it. So do you think anything like that could happen? Well, we had challenges, of course, in 2020, and it was very controversial. Yeah, it could. But I think that the lawyers have...

There have been a lot more lawyers on both sides litigating a bunch of these questions. And full disclosure, I helped set up a group called Right, Restoring Integrity and Trust in Elections that's been involved in a series of these issues already. And the position of right is if it's on the books, you got to do it by the book. And the law ought to be upheld. We only...

diminish our confidence in the system of elections if we do not abide by the rules that everybody agreed to through their state legislatures. With all this early voting, unlike anything we've ever seen before, Republicans came out in droves

What does that tell you? Well, we don't know exactly yet, except that a lot of Republicans who historically have not come out to vote early did come out. In the get-out-to-vote business, we call that, are you cannibalizing your election day turnout, or are you bringing to the polls people who might not otherwise vote? And we don't know. Do you want to? Do you have a prediction? Nope. It's a coin toss. You know, there's...

There's too many states that are too close and there's too many states that are up for grabs. And no, anybody who tells you they know how it's going to turn out is is either foolhardy or are deluding themselves. Karl Rove, Fox News contributor, former deputy White House chief of staff for President George W. Bush, senior advisor to President Bush. Great to talk to you. Thank you. Thanks for having me back.

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This is Brian Kilmeade with your Fox News commentary coming up. Some voters say the choice this election year is an easy one. I voted for Kamala Harris for president because I believe that she is going to do the best job to protect the rights of all Americans and the just the social welfare and the justices and the personal rights of all Americans.

She's in Wisconsin, one of the so-called blue wall states, where this voter, also in Madison, came to a very different conclusion. I supported Donald Trump for president because I want my kids to have a better future. I want to have a better future. I would like to have lower taxes. I would like to have just a better economy overall.

But this Pennsylvania voter was still undecided, even while waiting in line to vote. My mind wants to do one thing. My heart wants to do another thing. A degree of uncertainty that just adds to the suspense of a tight race heading into election night. We're lucky that two of the seven swing states have early closing times.

We spoke with Fox News Radio political anchors Jared Halpern and Jessica Rosenthal, who will lead Fox Radio's election night coverage tonight, along with Fox News Radio political analyst Josh Kroschauer. The right at 7 o'clock Eastern Time, Georgia closes. Half an hour later, North Carolina closes. Those are those Sunbelt states.

both very closely contested four years ago, both of them very much on the minds of Democrats. If those races have a little bit more maybe distance between the two candidates than polling suggests, that's going to give us a lot of clues about the rest of the swing states, right? If

Harris is able to knock off Georgia or North Carolina. And we see that early on. That's going to bode well for her for the rest of the night. Conversely, if those are pretty comfortable margins, say for Trump, again, that's going to mean that we're really going to have to watch Michigan. We're really going to have to watch Wisconsin and certainly Pennsylvania. So Georgia and North Carolina being some of the earliest states that we get in, uh,

Historically, reporting out numbers pretty quickly, too, will really go a long way. And I think helping us get a sense of where the night will go over the next several hours beyond that 7 p.m. closing time. It'll be interesting to see, too, how so much more early voting impacts anything, because it seems like.

It's still unknown how much of that early vote was new voting and how much of it could be. Jared calls it cannibalizing. Right. Cannibalizing. Well, but in both parties are really optimistic about it. You know, obviously, four years ago, eight years ago, when you saw a huge early vote, that meant that it was advantaged Democrats. Democrats were the early voters.

It meant that they weren't going to have to make up as many margins on Election Day. Certainly since 2020, the Republican Party, even former President Trump himself, has been doing a lot of messaging to vote early, vote by mail, vote in person, but get it in early. Don't leave anything to chance. And so because of that, you see these record setting early votes in places like North Carolina, in places like Georgia. But it.

It's hard to extrapolate data from that and kind of who is it benefiting? We certainly know that it is not benefiting Democrats to the extent that it would have benefited Democrats four years ago. Jess and Jared, you covered Trump getting shot not that long ago. Really, when it comes down to it, it wasn't that many months ago. So much changed in such a short time period.

In this race, it's almost easy to forget that Harris wasn't even the candidate. Not that many months ago. We were just talking about this, Lisa. We were talking about how in the beginning, gosh, right around South Carolina, right around the after New Hampshire primaries that we were all talking about. Oh, boy, we're in for the longest election general election season ever. Right. And then who could have predicted June 27th?

that debate between President Biden and former President Trump and the pressure campaign that began. I mean, Josh can really talk to this, too, about just the pressure campaign that began on on on President Biden at that point. And during that pressure campaign, we saw President former President Trump shot the iconic image of him fist in the air chanting, fight, fight, fight.

Going straight into the Republican convention, all of that wrapped up to what? Two days later, President Biden comes out on a Sunday and says, I'm out. I'm not I'm not going to move forward anymore. That was after that was about three weeks after that debate performance and everything just turned. And Josh will tell you, we were talking about this earlier, too.

was it enough time for Vice President Harris? Three and a half months. There will be a postmortem, an autopsy, regardless of who wins, of what was done right, what was done wrong. But three and a half months to run a campaign when we were looking at possibly the longest general election cycle ever in modern presidential politics is a whirlwind. It'll turn your head. Let's do bring in Fox News Radio political analyst Josh Kroschauer because...

It has been a breathtaking series of events. I mean, such a whirlwind in what would have been, you know, maybe a whirlwind on some fronts anyway. I mean, we don't know how long it'll take before we know, you know, was this the right thing for the Democrats to do? Well, look, I think it's important to just...

Take a breath and think about how kind of predictable the election was when Joe Biden was running against Donald Trump. And then, as Jess was saying, we have had one of the most dramatic set of twists and turns since July, since Kamala Harris replaced Joe Biden on the ballot and all the –

internal chaos and the Democratic Party and the conventions and the assassination attempts. We are now in one of the closest campaigns that I've ever covered. I think you have pollsters saying one thing, you have data analysts saying another thing, you have the vibes going one direction. This is about as suspenseful an election night as I think we've ever covered. And perhaps the votes are going to break in one direction and in the end, it won't be like super, super close. But

But this is one of the more unpredictable elections and the consequences are so significant in terms of how this country will be governed. You have Kamala Harris with quite a progressive record and you have Donald Trump being Donald Trump and his populist conservatism and MAGA movement really retaking and reshaping the Republican Party. So the stakes are high. The drama is high and this is about as close as it gets going into election day.

I know there are different paths for either Trump or Harris to win. But Josh, which battlegrounds could either one afford to lose and still have a path? Well, look, I am – I sound like a broken record on this, but it's going to come down to the blue wall states, the Midwestern states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin. I don't think –

It's pretty hard to see Kamala Harris winning without sweeping all three of those states. But if we see on election night some of the southern states like North Carolina or Georgia, which by the way report their results pretty early, if all of a sudden they're looking a little bit more favorable to Kamala Harris, then that would be a very strong signal about her.

her at the very least having more paths perhaps to victory. But to me, look, the historical statistic that's worth remembering is that in every election since 1992 with the one exception of 2016, Democrats have swept those three states altogether. Every election Trump broke the code in 2016, it reverted back to form in 2020. So to me, I'm just going to be pouring over the returns in those three blue wall states as a sign of where this election is going.

I've heard North Carolina, Georgia and Arizona sort of referred to as a red wall that that's must win territory in many ways for former President Trump. If he loses one of those three, his path to 270 becomes a lot more difficult, a lot more challenging. And here's where it gets interesting. If if the red wall breaks and Kamala Harris picks off one candidate.

of those states. We're going to be here for a long time. We're going to be waiting for Arizona. This could go into overtime. A lot of waiting. Josh, which blue wall do you think is most likely to break? Is it Pennsylvania because of the polling or is it Wisconsin because of some previous data we have on the state? Well, if you look at the polling and strictly the polling, Pennsylvania is the state that is going to be the tipping point state.

If you look at the demography and the makeup of the three states in the Midwest, Wisconsin is actually the state that on paper is most favorable to Donald Trump. And interestingly enough, I've talked to a lot of Republicans and Democrats working on Senate races and working in the state for various campaigns. They are – Democrats in particular are worried about Wisconsin as much as they are Pennsylvania. Jess, I know you had a chance to speak to some voters recently.

Were they excited, nervous, unsure? Did you sense any kind of an overall theme? Yeah, I've spent a lot of time in North Carolina, and I've actually run into quite a few voters who...

are not voting, which I found fascinating. I've gone to the rallies, right? I've gone to some Harris rallies. I've gone to J.D. Vance in a Trump rally in North Carolina primarily. And all those voters are pumped. They believe North Carolina is going to go their way. It only went for Trump by a little over a point in 2020. It's a very, very tight state. I've seen a lot of Harris wall signs in

bordering swing counties in blue areas, as you would imagine, but also in those swing areas, I've seen a lot of prominent Harris Wall signs. But then you talk to people about

The bases are out. They're motivated, right? They're the kinds of people who show up at a rally, as you would imagine. They believe the state is going their way. I spoke to one voter, African-American man, who told me that it's about turnout to him, that he believes that in the heart of North Carolina, there are enough people that will get Harris over the edge if they vote. And he said, these are people that I know that typically don't vote. And then, of course, the flip side, the Trump supporters, you might think of North Carolina as a red state. So they're motivated to vote.

But in the last few days, I have spoken to four people who have said I'm not voting. And I didn't get into it with all of them. I didn't get the nuance of it all. But they're just not into either of these candidates for various reasons. And they're not into them enough to not vote. Yeah. So I found that very, very interesting in a time where both of these campaigns are interesting.

You know, look, at the end, is it are are we going after undecided voters? I don't know if it's more about undecideds or it's more about turnout. If those folks are people who might have tilted one way or another and they're just going to, you know, sit on the couch. We'll find out which campaign has a bigger problem with the war with the couch. Yeah, Josh.

Many people have said for quite a while now they're not happy with the direction of the country. Does this really come down to which candidate has been able to sell themselves as the one bringing change? And in Vice President Harris's case, you know, has she done enough to distinguish herself from the Biden administration? Right.

Well, this is fundamentally a battle between policy and personality. When you look at the polls, Kamala Harris is viewed personally more favorably than Donald Trump. But when people ask about the administration that she serves on and their policies, they're

Big disapproval. When you actually ask about the job approval rating for the vice president, much higher negative ratings than her personal favorability ratings. So look, if this was a referendum on policy, Donald Trump would be up significantly. But it's not. And Kamala Harris is betting on her message of unity, joy and some degree of bipartisanship will win out the day over the disapproval that many Americans have towards the direction of the country.

You guys all well rested and ready for a potentially late night? I'll rest after we have the results. After January 20th. I was going to say, that could take a lot longer. It's adrenaline on election night. And if it's as close as it looks, this could be quite quick tonight. And let's remember, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin do not start counting ballots until the day of the election. It is a marathon and a sprint.

And a sprint. Fox News Radio political anchors Jared Halpern, Jessica Rosenthal, and Fox News Radio political analyst Josh Kroshauer. We look forward to your coverage tonight. Thank you very, very much for your time. Thank you. Thanks, Lisa. A reminder, Fox News Radio will provide special coverage tonight beginning at 6 p.m. Eastern. Listen for updates on this station and online at foxnewsradio.com.

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What's on your mind? Hi, everyone. I'm Brian Kilmeade for the Fox News Rundown. I like to build up to all this. I like the finalists, the primary situation, and then to find out who emerges. This time was so atypical. Every day was different. And, of course, for President Trump, he's still a little bit angry. He's not going against Joe Biden. And all his ads and all his money against the sitting president go by the wayside as an understatement.

I'm going to be a little bit more of a conservative.

when it comes to the Iranian deal, getting back into a nuclear deal. We don't know. Would she back up Taiwan if China invades? We don't know. This is the problem. We don't know almost anything except for the candidate of joy is not Donald Trump. We don't know who she's going to staff with. Is it going to be Obama three or Biden two? Because what is Kamala one? We don't know.

On the other side, whatever you say about Donald Trump, there's not many unknowns. He's going to be direct, he's going to be brash, and he's going to be America first. I even could tell you who his staff is going to be. Expect to see Robert O'Brien. Expect to see Robert Lighthizer. Scott Bessett used to work with George Soros, reformed his ways. He might even be Treasury Secretary. I'm sure he's going to call on Mike Walsh to leave the House behind and join him in some way, shape, or form as the request will go out to Tom Cotter.

as well as Marco Rubio, and I imagine Elise Stefanik. He's going to put together an A-team. An A-team not of sycophants, but of supporters that can offer him advice, but not tell him what to do. I'm Brian Kilmeade for the Fox News Rundown.

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