Sarah Jakes Roberts: How to Reclaim Your Power, Hear God’s Voice & Find Your Purpose In Life! (Pt 2)
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You want me to cry on your show, and that's not nice, 'cause I would never do you like that.

Everyone is anointed to do something in the earth, whether it's got platform connected to it or not. Anointed to raise a child, anointed to run the cameras, to set up the lighting, to make sure that we get the best so that we can reach God's best. Everybody is anointed. Oh, yeah. Everybody is anointed. These toxic relationships are distractions from discovering what we're anointed to do. For you to say everyone anointed,

has an anointing on their life, they may not be aware of it. They may not be able to see it. How do they know when they're in it? I'm trying to say the majority of the people listening to this that are going to realize right now they're anointed. Yeah.

- Yeah. - First time ever. - Mm-hmm. - First time ever. - Yeah. - First time ever. And that's big. - It's an altitude that only you were created to soar in. - Does this whole thing feel like so much pressure? - And that you have the opportunity to reclaim your power from anything that has left you feeling powerless. - How do you know when God is speaking to you and what does that feel like? - For the person who is an atheist and who is like,

Hmm, maybe I shouldn't be that certain about anything. Maybe I'm going to be open. Maybe I'll try to believe and see what happens. How do you start? If you test God in this, I promise you, He'll show up. But you got to be open. Is there anything a person can do to make them disqualified from God's love? At a granular 101...

entry-level. What is a great way to start to pray? Like, can you break it down? And there are things that make our prayers more powerful. Is there any wrong way to pray? What do you say to the person who maybe had a really traumatic experience at church growing up or in their past or with someone who was part of faith and they've kind of

veered away and maybe haven't thought about veering back until they stumbled upon this episode. What do you say to them? In your life right now, Sarah, what would you say is your biggest insecurity? There was something about the public validation of my ministry after the public scrutiny of my disappointment and him saying, this is my girl and I trust you. That made me ugly cry for millions of people to see.

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My guest today is one of the few women on the planet who sells out stadiums when she speaks, and she's here with you and me today. She is a New York Times bestselling author. She's been named one of Time Magazine's 100 Next. She's founder of the Women Evolve movement. She's a pastor at the Potter's House, and her viral messages inspire millions on a daily basis.

She's also the author of the brand new book, Power Moves. She's also my dear friend, and I am so excited for this conversation today, Sarah Jakes Roberts. Welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show. Thank you so much, friend. I'm excited to be on the Jamie Kern Lima Show. It's such an honor. I have so much love and respect for who you are as a person, so I'm just excited to be in your presence. How do you learn to trust and surrender?

There is a famous quote by rapper 50 Cent's grandma who says, I love this quote, and I literally have it attributed to 50 Cent's grandma, where the quote that says, either pray or worry, but don't do both. And I have to tell you, I have the hardest time

I have the hardest time surrendering because I will pray about something. And then I think, oh, and also I still have to carry it. And also I'm not strong enough to carry it. Now I'm totally screwed. What am I going to do? And then I feel like I have to like, you know, all the things like, you know, and so, and so for you to have that faith that you will show up with what you have and he will multiply it. Right. I just, I'm imagining the person who's going to walk into work today.

and gonna decide for the first time to have that faith that they're gonna raise their hand on that Zoom call or in that boardroom and decide, I don't know if my answer is enough or my idea is enough, but I have something and God's gonna multiply it. Or I belong in this room or any of those things, like to have that faith. How do you or do you ever start to feel like it's on you? And all of a sudden you can't. And then how do you get back to that place

of trusting. I do feel like, and I do feel like those moments where I feel like this is on me, this is on me. And I realized that that is my pride and my ego sometimes wanting it to be on me because if it's on me and it turns out well, then I am worthy because I performed well. If it's on me and it turns out well, then I was smart and I did make a good decision. I realized that my pride and ego are hungry in those moments.

And so what I am surrendering is not necessarily the outcome as much as I am the need for me to be awarded for having enough or my value increasing because I had enough and

And I have found that through humility, that I am able to approach situations with an honesty and a clarity that is not afforded to me when I am trying to have it all together or to make it my own responsibility. I also believe that it makes me a better leader because especially in, you know, 40,000 women came to Globe Life Field. I really had very little to do with that when you see the team that pulled it off.

And if I go into it thinking that this is all on me, I miss out on the opportunity to see how heavy it is for the team connected to it. So maybe it's not all on me because God gave me a team. And maybe if I can stop seeing that it's all on me, we could come together as a team and be a better force.

for what God's called us to do. And so I think that releasing the pride of it's on me, I got to figure it out. When I preach, sometimes I got nothing. And I'm like, all right, God, here we go. I got nothing. What can you give me in this moment that doesn't make me seem smart or eloquent, but simply you get the glory?

having the accurate goal. Like, I don't want this to be where I look good. I don't want this to necessarily be where this book has to be a New York Times bestseller. God, I just wanted to change one person's life. And the moment we get that one comment, like to really cherish that instead of saying I've got more and more and more that I need to do. So I think really purifying what success is

to make it about what I believe matters to God and not necessarily what matters to men helps me to have humility instead of pride and pursuit where I could be effective, but maybe not as grand of a platform, but at least I was obedient and effective. How do you know when God is speaking to you and what does that feel like? Um, I create space to listen. Um,

I think a lot of times we want God to speak, but we want him to like interrupt our world in order to make it happen.

But for me, it came from practice. Like it didn't happen for me in church as I've expressed. But I would like turn on a music that made me feel something. There was a song that made me feel something, even if you can't identify it. But like when I hear this person preach, when I hear this person sing, I feel something. And to create a space where you can take that feeling and sit in it with silence.

and meditation to discover like, what is this I am feeling and what is it trying to inform me about? What's it trying to bring up in my life?

And once I had that one encounter where I was like, this one song just, it makes something come alive in my soul. I started chasing more of those feelings. And then it came to a space where like, I didn't necessarily need it in music, but I could sense it. Like I would have a conversation with you and something would happen in my soul. Or I'm like, that's not just Jamie, like God sending me a message. That's not just a regular person leaving a comment. That's God sending me a message.

And so creating space where you can fine tune that feeling and then become sensitive to the way that it shows up throughout our day, throughout our jobs and our work, to me is how I became more attuned to hearing it more often. So for me, I think everyone's different. But for me, it's in my soul. Like, I just feel...

A deep knowing that someone has said something to me that I have not even communicated in words and that God has sent me something to soothe a place where I'm aching.

And, yeah, now I just, I talk to God like I talk to my bestie, you know. I'm randomly like, God, I need your help. And I believe he's listening. And then I look for the ways his help shows up in my life. And I'm like, you heard me. I see you. God gave me a God wink. You know what I mean? He sent me a wink. And I just continue to see those throughout my day. Yeah.

For the person who is an atheist and who is like, hmm, maybe I shouldn't be that certain about anything. Maybe I'm going to be open. Maybe they're all of a sudden just thinking, maybe I'll try to believe and see what happens. How do you start? Well, everyone's journey is different, but the key word you said was open.

And I think to really fine tune what it is you're open to. I am open to the possibility that God cares about me. I am open to the possibility that God causes all things to work together. I think if you can fine tune that thing that you are open to and then

you know, speak into the atmosphere, what it is you're open to witnessing with your eyes or experiencing in your soul. And then just let God do the rest. Like I'm open to the possibility that I've been wrong, that you exist. And so because I'm whispering this in my heart and my soul, I'm going to need you to show up in a way that makes it undeniable to me that you're real.

I will go a step further and say for someone, I think it is going to require a step of faith. And a step of faith could simply be going into an environment where you're

you know or have heard that people have encounters with God. And maybe it's not a traditional church environment. Maybe it's a small group. Maybe it's group therapy. Maybe somebody says, when I get to the top of that cliff, I know for sure that God is real. Whatever that space is to just take the step of faith and say, you know what? It's like a Netflix seven-day trial. Like, God, I'm going to give you a seven-day trial period. Yeah.

I'm going to try this. I'm going to try that. I'm going to try that. And I'm going to see if I can feel what other people feel, if I can know what other people know about you. And if you test God in this, I promise you he'll show up. But you got to be open. You can't do it to prove that you're still an atheist. Because like if you don't be an atheist, you're going to be an atheist.

But if you're really in a space where you're open and you're like, I just want to know, I could be wrong, I could be right, but I just want to know. From there, God does amazing things with openness.

Seven day Netflix trial. Yes. That's brilliant. Yeah. Is there anything a person can do to make them disqualified from God's love? No, child, listen, I keep looking in scripture just to make sure, because I'm just waiting for him to like pull the rug up underneath me and be like, gotcha. But when I see scripture, I see he tells us exactly what to do in scripture. We do the exact opposite.

He's like, "I'll give you another chance." I'm talking murder. I'm talking rape, incest.

All of the things that we think to ourselves, oh, that one ought to do it. And he's like, you know what? I've still got grace for you. My grace is sufficient for you. And, you know, his strength is made perfect in our weakness. Part of the reason why there's nothing that we can do to disqualify ourselves from God is because to disqualify ourselves from God is to say that God's grace cannot make up the difference from wherever we're starting from. But his grace can meet us no matter where we're starting from.

If we're honest and we're open and we'll say, let's see what you can do, grace can make up the rest of the distance. Okay, talking about starting from.

So many of us, we're not taught how to pray and we don't know how to pray. And then we think, are there rules to praying? And can I get it wrong? And what if I don't do it right? And what if I was raised in a church where I watched other people pray, but I don't even know how they did that or what they did? For the person listening who has not prayed in a while or has not felt anything when they do or has not prayed ever, it's

at a granular 101 entry level. What is a great way to start to pray? Like, can you break it down? How do I pray? How does someone pray for the first time? What do they do? I will say there are definitely people who pray who make prayer look intimidating. And as someone who grew up in church and was exposed to the intimidating prayer methods,

I totally relate to someone feeling like, I don't want to mess this up, so maybe I should say nothing at all. I'm raising our, we're in the thick of raising our 14-year-old and our 8-year-old, and we pray in the car with them every morning. And they have a prayer that they recite, but then we also have a moment where we like freestyle. And I try to lead in the freestyle praying because I want them to know that you can come to God no matter how raw and real it is. And so sometimes if the girls have had an argument, I'll say, let's pray. And I'll say, God,

Well, this is awkward. There are feelings here. There's some anger. There's some hurt. And we know that you want us to have healing and joy and love in our family. So God, help us to see the ways that your spirit can make up the difference. It is a conversation with God. And there are things that make our prayers more powerful. The more that you're exposed to scripture, you can say like God in your words.

word, you promised that no weapon formed against me will prosper. Well, there's a weapon formed in my life right now, and it feels like it's prospering. Help me to understand the ways that you can work this out for my good. Like, I believe that scripture and worship intensifies our, or I won't say intensifies, but I think that it adds.

more depth to our prayers. But if you just give God the deepest level that you have, God can work with that. It doesn't have to be eloquent. It doesn't have to be in King James Version. It can be in the language that you know the best. And that starting point is a beautiful place to just have dialogue with God. But just make sure that when you pray, it's not just a space where you say, God, give me, give me, give me.

And don't just let it be the space where you just offload. Take time and say, God, whatever it is that you want to pour back into me, help me to be open to hear the way that you answer this prayer. Is there any wrong way to pray? I wouldn't cuss. I wouldn't do a whole lot of cussing. Whatever.

You know, you're new. Sometimes some words may slip, you know, but I wouldn't go into it intentionally doing a lot of cussing. But I think that if you are sincerely trying to connect with God, that you give God what you have. God knows your heart. Even the words you don't, there's a scripture, and I don't know it by heart. My husband could throw it into the chat if he...

But about the spirit translating our prayers, like the spirit of God takes what we're praying and translates it. So we may be praying like, God, I need you to help the girl start arguing. But the spirit translates it into I need Mackenzie to no longer feel insecure about X, Y and Z. God is so good to us that it's just awesome.

opening up our heart allows for that interpreter to open up what the real need is. The spirit is connecting with the spirit. And when the spirit of God connects with our spirit, there's a translation and an exchange that takes place where we give him our burdens and we receive peace because we know someone else is carrying that thing that we brought before the Lord.

What do you say to the person who maybe had a really traumatic experience at church growing up or in their past or with someone who was part of faith and they've kind of veered away?

And maybe haven't thought about veering back until they stumbled upon this episode. What do you say to them? Thank you for trusting me. Thank you for trusting Jamie with this part of your life.

Sometimes you need some distance so that you can more accurately separate God from people. It's hard when you're in a place of faith because it seems like it's all the same thing. But if you can begin to see people for people, it helps you to understand that God and people have had a long journey of trying to get things right with each other. And the people were always on the side of messing things up. And God was always there to say, I can help you clean it up.

And I would say that God wants to help you clean up the mess that other people made in your life.

He wants to show you that he's not like them and that he's more faithful and kind and loving than any of those encounters that you had with other people. And sometimes the safest space that we meet God is in the privacy of our home. And then when we go in this space of faith, we don't have an expectation for them to be God. Our expectation is to experience God without them becoming God.

And then that way it helps us to more accurately categorize the people who create environments for God to keep them from becoming our God. Mm hmm. Yeah. That's so good. Yes, for sure. What, you know, in your life right now, Sarah, what would you say is your biggest insecurity?

I need to stop eating food all the time. I be eating when I'm not hungry and that is showing up in some spaces. That's probably a little bit more surface, but my deepest insecurity right now is probably wondering whether or not I can live up to the demand of where my ministry is projected to go. I think that's my...

biggest insecurity? Yeah, the demand of it. I think that I have seen a lot of different ministries crumble at the demand and not necessarily that the ministry crumbled, but maybe their souls crumbled, their families crumbled, their joy crumbled. And I

I don't want that. I choose not to have that. And so my biggest insecurity is that I would be so blinded by the metrics, the numbers, the reality of this being things that have business elements connected to them. And I have to be responsible for those and make good decisions, but also that I don't want this to be a business. I don't want to lose the core of what this is really about.

And so my greatest insecurity is making sure that I stay in the sweet spot of purity and authenticity, that I never forget that this is about creating a space for people to encounter God for as long as God wants to use me to be that person and to not fall into this idea of I've got to stay on top or I've got to keep climbing and nothing's enough. I just I don't desire that pressure. Yeah.

I have two pictures I want to show you and they were powerful moments. So this one, you have tears streaming down your face. You and your husband are both standing there. Can you talk about this moment?

and what you were thinking and feeling when this happened. - So this is when my husband and I were, it's called an installation service, and we were appointed as the assistant pastors at the Potter's House Dallas, which is the church that I grew up in. And I have tears streaming down my face because I invited my 13-year-old girl to be a part of this service.

And I wanted her to see that the same space where she felt shame and pain was also the place where God always knew to expect this. And it was healing, beautiful. Yeah, that's what's happening there. So many people watch that moment. And can you share like inside what you were thinking and feeling during that moment?

There's a song that I actually I made a TikTok video like the day that I got ready for this. And there's this song called Yet. And all I hear even right now when I think about it are like the words to that song. It's like, God, don't give up on me yet. I know I'm not your best bet, but I'm trying. So don't give up on me yet. And I think that in that moment, I was definitely thinking like, oh, God.

Like, this is a big moment. This is an incredible opportunity to be considered to lead these great people. And probably that I don't have what it takes, but I'm willing to bring my little, so don't give up on me. Yeah. All right, I'm going to trade you photos. Okay. Oh, this. Well, you talk about this moment where...

The press loves to say Bishop T.D. Jakes passed the torch to you. And can you just share, first of all, share what's happening there and in that moment and just what that felt like? Well, before I ever hosted any event that filled a stadium, my father was...

probably one of the preeminent voices for women's liberation, especially in the context of ministry, where many churches, you know, didn't allow women preachers, didn't create spaces for women to have their own healing and events. Like my father started this over 30 years ago. He started something called Woman Thou Art Loose.

And he would preach to women about things that they had gone through and encourage them to walk with boldness and to no longer be ashamed or afraid. And it grew. He hosted 80,000 women in the Georgia Dome. But this is in 2022. And he had decided as a result of.

I think seeing other voices emerging that he felt it was time that Woman Thou Art Loose come to an end. And so this was the last event for Woman Thou Art Loose. We were at the closing session of what I thought would just be a final farewell service in which he called me up on stage and basically told me that he felt like the same grace was

that was on his life is on my life and that he wanted me to continue to carry on the torch of women's ministry and to help women to come to know who they are in God. And he, there's this beautiful ceremony

And he laid hands on me, which in our tradition of faith, it's just like a passing of anointing of strength to continue to take that mission further. And then he had this beautiful, he gave me his jacket. It was a mess. I cried and cried and cried. But in this moment, believe it or not, I was crying not so much about

the passing of the baton because I didn't start Woman Evolved thinking that my dad was going to give me anything. I didn't have that entitlement or expectation. What really, really wrecked me is that like Woman Thou Art Loose represents, I believe what catapulted my dad's ministry into New Heights is

I saw him preaching until his feet were literally bleeding during this conference. I saw him sacrifice and surrender. And he was taking a huge portion of his life's work and telling me, I trust you with it. And I trust all of these people who've gathered here to follow you into whatever next is. And yet what really made me emotional was that my dad trusted me again and

I think that was a moment where like my 13 year old girl wasn't invited, but ended up kicking the door down because even though I think

I knew that as a woman and as a wife and a mother and a business owner, that my father respected me and trusted me. There was something about the public validation of my ministry after the public scrutiny of my disappointment and him saying, this is my girl and I trust you. It made me ugly cry for millions of people to see.

There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy, How to Believe You Are Enough and Transform Your Life for You.

If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you. In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness.

Overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome. Achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them and so much more. Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self-doubt and unshakable self-worth.

Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy. Who you spend time around is so important as energy is contagious and so is self-belief.

And I'd love to hang out with you even more, especially if you could use an extra dose of inspiration, which is exactly why I've created my free weekly newsletter that's also a love letter to you delivered straight to your inbox each and every Tuesday morning from me.

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If you're tired of hearing the bad news every single day and need some inspiration, some tips, tools, joy, and love hitting your inbox, I'm your girl. Subscribe at jamiekernlima.com or in the link in the show notes. And now more of this incredible conversation together. It was him putting everything that, like the calling on his life and saying...

Like you're the one. Yeah. I trust you. I trust you. Continue it. I trust you. What did that feel like when he put his jacket on you? You want me to cry on your show and that's not nice because I would never do you like that. It felt like every thread of broken trust from our relationship had been collected and never lost. It felt like...

It felt like I always knew to expect something like this from you. It felt like I went ahead of you so you don't have to sacrifice what I sacrificed to make it happen. It felt like someone has led the way. So context is we have this moment and he had maybe, I think it was 20,000 women at this event. And I hosted Woman Evolved the next year and

and we have 40,000 people who registered. And it was the day that the conference was supposed to start. It was Thursday at like maybe four o'clock and there was like 12,000 people had checked in. And I told my dad, I'm like,

There's only 12,000 people checked in. What if they're not coming? And he was like, no, this is exactly about how many people should be checked in at this time. Don't worry. You're going to be fine. And I don't think my biggest thing was what if they don't come as much as I have a stadium. And there's nothing worse than preaching in a huge empty room.

Like if only 12,000 of us are going to be here, can we be in a room if it's 12,000? But he had context because of his covering. He knew what I should expect, what was normal, what wasn't normal. And him putting his coat around me was like this promise that for as much as I can tell you what's normal and what's not, I'm going to cover you. And that's been true.

Every thread of broken trust was not lost. It was gathered. Yeah. And then his coat is put over you. Yeah. Yeah. Do you feel in that moment, because I remember I talked to you on the phone, I think a few days after, and you're like, I'm not, I don't want to give the coat back.

Oh, he's not getting that coat back. He asked for it back. I was like, sir, one thing you're not getting that coat back. You shouldn't have thrown it around me. You can never. And then he had it like in case that woman evolved. He showed it to me. He'd gotten it framed. And I was like, oh, this is so nice because we're in front of people. But then I told him like, this can't stay in the frame. I want, I want to be able to wrap myself up in this coat when things get cold. I don't want it hanging on the wall. Where do you keep it? In my closet. Okay.

And he also dropped oil. He also put oil. Can you talk about that and what that meant? Yeah. So that is a traditional way of anointing. So the oil represents anointing. And that was just a representation of anointing.

I think an added anointing, because I think part of the reason why it even happened is he was like, you know, you're anointed for this. But for this next stage, this next level, you're going to need additional oil. And so he poured oil. I made a joke because I had on a certain wig then and I was like, I'm never going to wash this wig because I'm not going to be anointed unless I wear this wig.

So he poured oil on me just as a sign that you can't do this without anointing. You can't do this because you just speak well or because you just...

know the right things to say. There are some things that you can only do on the earth if you are anointed to do them. And that anointing may not come from oil being poured on your head in that way, but there is an oil that is already on you that you have to acknowledge, trust, and respect for what God's called you to do. Will you explain the word anointing? Anointing. Anointing is...

The full essence of God that shows up when you are aligned in his will and purpose for your life. It is the spirit of God that,

It's when we surrender to the Spirit of God working through us. Christ was the anointed one. He was the one who was called to bring restoration and redemption between humanity and God. And so when we function in our anointing, we have an opportunity to bring connection between God and his people, to stand in the gap.

Certainly not in the way that Christ has, but in our own unique way, we have all been anointed. And that's why I'm always trying to make sure people understand that when we do the work of releasing the things that we know limit us to live a life where we say, you know what, I

am made in the image of God and I want to reflect God's image in whatever I do then what we are anointed to do is undeniable and it's not necessarily speaking like there is a photographer I work with she is anointed with that camera I have a stylist she is anointed she hears from God about the perfect

lighting, the perfect angle. He knows the colors. He knows the shoes for the moment. When we align ourselves where we're like, my life is not my own. My life exists to shine God's light into the earth. And then we show up in a space and we're like, God, allow my gifts and my talents to not just be something that makes something look good, but takes it to an anointed level of work. That is when we're saying, I want the spirit of God to breathe on

this talent that God has given me and change a life to make it easier to reach a life, to make it more palatable, to go after a life that thought that they should have been rejected. And when we see it that way, that my assistants, they facilitate the anointing. They are anointed to make sure that my life is easier or organized in such a way that the anointing can flow without disorganization or miscommunication.

Everyone is anointed to do something in the earth, whether it's got platform connected to it or not. Anointed to raise a child, anointed to run the cameras, to set up the lighting, to make sure that we get the best so that we can reach God's best. Everybody is anointed. Oh, yeah. Everybody is anointed. We got to create. We have to facilitate lives that allow the anointing that God already wants to pour on us to flourish. Right.

But God, we're all anointed in some way, but not all of us do the work of making sure that anointing can flow because we're dealing with trauma. We're dealing with pain, disappointment, anger, all of the things. I get it. I was there. But when we say, you know what? My life has to be more than surviving. My life has to be about doing something with this short window of time that I have that makes someone see that God is real. So first, God show up in my life.

Help me to experience it for myself. Heal me. Touch me. Restore me. Show me who you are for myself. And once you experience that, it's pretty difficult to not want to tell at least one more person, like, did you know you didn't have to be like all the way raggedy out here?

Like God will clean you up. He'll turn things around and give you vision and focus. Like you can be loyal. You can have integrity. Like it's possible. And so as many people as we can reach, we have a responsibility to reach. This is going to be such a huge aha moment for so many people who think, oh, someone else is anointed.

And there's some people that just learned that word today. Yeah. That just learned that word today. Yeah. Right? And to hear you break it down like this is really powerful because a lot of people believe the lie, I don't have anything special to offer. There is a difference between being gifted and talented and being anointed. Yes. When you are anointed, God can use your gifts and talents. Mm-hmm.

But we see people, music is a great example. There are people who you know are gifted to sing, but what they're singing doesn't necessarily change a life.

They're talented to produce a film, but they're not necessarily producing the type of content that changes a life. It doesn't make them any less talented. It doesn't change that they have a gift. But when we talk about changing a life, when we talk about bringing light into darkness, we cannot do that on our own. We need to partner with God to make that happen.

And when we partner with God, it awakens our anointing. It awakens our willingness to say, God, you know what? Just flow through me and use whatever I have to make sure that what you want to see happen in the earth is able to happen. And so when I'm getting ready to speak, I'm like, God, I've studied this.

I have prepared, I tried to rest and I had a protein shake. I've done everything I can do. Now what's on you? And use anything that you need to use in order to make sure that you reach your people. And so you can be gifted and talented and maybe you have experienced success with your gifts and your talents,

But have you experienced transformation because you took those gifts and talents, laid them at the feet of Jesus and you're like, you know what? I want to partner with you to see what we can do. And maybe it's something that we're doing on the corner. Maybe it's something we're doing on the block. Maybe it's something we're doing in a stadium. But as long as I get to do it with God, I'm just glad to be in the number.

So the difference between gifted and talented, now everyone's anointed, but your super talent that you're gifted or skilled in may not be the thing you're anointed in. I will say that everyone has an anointing, but not everyone is awakened to that anointing. Yeah. And not everyone facilitates an environment that protects that anointing. Mm-hmm.

And so it doesn't mean that you lose the anointing. It just means that you can't really exercise it because you're not in an environment. Some of these toxic relationships are distractions from discovering what we're anointed to do. That's why the most powerful thing when I said, I think I can do better than this. Like it felt like it was my own idea, but it was my anointing saying, I want to be released in the earth.

but I can't be released in this environment. I want to show you what all God's placed inside of you, but I can't do it if you stay in this environment. And so sometimes what we think is a good idea for our own healing, healing is just the starting point. Once you're healed, you get to partner. Once you're healed, you get to transform, you get to reach and touch other people, but you have to get to that space of doing the work to get to the healing so that you can then say,

I'm a church girl, so we say, here I am, Lord, use me. Here I am, Lord, send me. Here I am, Lord, I want to partner with you for whatever time I have left. And for a person listening right now who says, oh, this is what I thought my purpose or my offering is to the world because I'm very talented in it.

And are you saying the distinguishment between that and how you know it's part of your anointing is, is it being used in the service of someone else? It is possible that your purpose is a part of your anointing, but just a part of it. So sometimes we limit ourselves to just the gifts, talents, and purpose that we know, but

But when we say, Lord, I believe that I am anointed. God, I believe I'm anointed to do something with you in the earth. I believe my life is not random. It is not by coincidence. I want to give my life to serving what you're doing in the earth and you can use whatever. God may use that purpose, but God may also show you a purpose you didn't even know you had, a gift you... I am not a speaker. It is not my favorite thing to do. And it is the thing that most people know me for. That is not me. That is the anointing. I...

I have talked and talked and talked before and ran out of words in my own strength. But God gives me something to continue saying that is not me. That is the anointing. Like when we go off and we turn these cameras off, my husband tell you, I'm going to be in the room like reading a book, not saying anything at all. Don't just pass me a microphone. I have nothing to say. But when I say, God, I'm going to partner with you and we're going to do or say something and see what happens. For some reason, lives are changed.

That's not my talent. That's God showing up in something that he uses through my gifts or talent. For you to say everyone has an anointing on their life. They may not be aware of it. They may not be able to see it. How do they know when they're in it? There's just this no limitations. Anything I could do any I could do anything this moment requires anything.

my fears don't exist when I'm fully aligned with whatever God's called me to do in the moment. Um,

Like when we leave this interview, I could pick it apart in my own weakness and my own insecurity and say, oh, my gosh, you didn't sound smart. You didn't do this. You didn't do that. But right now in this moment, like I am fully aligned with who I'm supposed to be in God. When I am up speaking like I don't have time to worry about my weight. I don't have time to worry about the kids homework or the emails I need to send at.

I am fully aligned with what God wants to do in the moment. And it feels like freedom and it feels like joy and it feels like confidence and power. Like God could pull and use anything for me and I could do it. It is the full expression of faith, no fear.

And I know that it's not just when I'm speaking because I have friends who like do graphic design and they just get into this zone where like they haven't eaten for hours or they've just been so locked in creating something, this vision that they're trying to get from outside of them and onto the screen. So I think it's when you're just completely locked in to the moment of

partnering with God to create a new normal or a new identity for someone who's been limited and restricted. I hope that made sense. It makes so much sense to me. I think, I think, um,

I think sometimes people that may not know what it is have experienced it in what they call flow or in what they call the feeling of purpose. And I've found too that for a lot of people, it's not the thing that they are the most skilled in. It's like sometimes it's the thing that they...

like went through and then made it through and now they're helping someone else make it through it. Yeah. And they just feel in that sense of like, I, I feel exactly what you're describing, uh, when I speak or, or when I'm talking one-on-one with a stranger and I'm hearing their story and I am so in it that nothing else exists. And I feel like,

I don't even need to know what to say, but I'm supposed to be there so that they hear what they need to hear probably from themselves in that moment. But it's like this, like for me, when I feel it, it feels like exactly what you said. Like all my problems don't even, my worries, my, like who I, what I'm doing wrong. None of that exists. None of that exists. And it's like about something that is so much greater than myself. And I think

I think what I'm so excited about with what you just shared is there are going to be so many people. I'm going to venture to say the majority of the people listening to this that are going to realize right now they're anointed. Yeah. First time ever. First time ever. Yeah. First time ever. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's big. It's an altitude that only you were created to soar in, you know, where everyone else like would need an oxygen mask. Like you're just out there like deep breaths because I'm anointed for this. I can remember being the moment where I started preaching and I was like, I'm anointed for this. I'm anointed for this. There are times where like I'll find out that I'm speaking. I have absolutely nothing. And I start reading my Bible and praying.

And God gives me a message. And I'm like, I'm anointed for this. I'm anointed to preach on Sunday. I wasn't sure when they called me. I wasn't sure. I've been wondering maybe someone else needs the microphone this Sunday. But then I get that word and I'm like, no one can preach on Sunday but me because I'm anointed for this. And I love to like it's it's a feeling and it's a knowing and and you may have it and and you may feel it and know it. And for some reason, that particular message doesn't.

does well or doesn't do well, does this, that, whatever, but you know and you feel it. It's independent. Would you say it's independent of anything on the outside? Oh, for sure. I always ask myself one question. Did you say what God told you to say? Did you show up in the full anointing of what God told you to say or do? If you did that,

Yeah. The numbers don't matter. Yeah. I have felt this. This is going to sound hilarious, but I have felt that, though, even when cooking like there are some times when I'm cooking as a mom where I'm just like getting the food on the table. Like I don't have time to be anointed to cook. You got to get in bed time. You're anointed to go to bed. I don't have anointed time on.

time to be anointed to cook. But there are moments when I have hours in the kitchen, I'm making a meal for my family and I can just feel like the way things are coming together, the way the kids are laughing in the background, like this is going to be an amazing meal. And I'm like praying over the food and the kids sit down to eat. And now we're like talking about their day and their emotions and what they've been struggling with. And I'm like, there was something anointed about us having this meal right now for such a time as this. Like,

I was anointed to create this environment for them. You and your husband pastoring one of the most popular churches in all of LA and then moving to Dallas, pastoring Potter's House, having your father, Bishop T.D. Jakes, one of the most famous preachers in the world, put his coat onto you, choose you. And you talk about your insecurity, about the demand in your ministry. Yeah.

Does this whole thing feel like so much pressure? Sometimes. Sometimes not. Most of the time, no. But sometimes, yes. Most of the time, no, because at the end of the day, God knows what he's got with me. So if I'm going down with the ship, I'm going down with the ship. And if we're going up to a new height, then we're going up to a new height. But I don't feel pressure because I didn't pretend to get here.

And I didn't ask to be here, which means that for some reason God's placed me here and he knows who I am and he knows who they are. And I'm just going to bring my little and we're going to see what happens. Literally every time I preach, I'm just like, we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. Do you believe you're worthy of it or anything because you have a trust that because God brought it into your life, like,

You're worthy of it. Yeah. That's pretty much all I've got. Because if I just look at the paper and the resume and biography, like it's very much so not giving worthy through my eyes. But when we talk about that God factor, you know, I have to trust what God knows over what I believe, over what I feel. And God keeps breathing on it. Mm-hmm.

I keep thinking about how it is such, I think, I think that in our lives so often we don't become what we want. We become what we believe we're worthy of. I think our self-worth can be our ceiling to so many things. And when I wrote my book Worthy, there's over 20 tools on how do you build self-worth. Well, my favorite one that I think is the most powerful is when you learn to believe God's word over your own self-doubt. And

And also I realized there's a lot of people that don't yet have faith. And so the thing that I just want to, I guess, celebrate in every person today who does have faith, even just a little, is like,

This is the shortcut. This is the shortcut. This is that secret ingredient. This is that competitive advantage. This is that everything over, I think, over how to believe you're worthy and how to believe you're worthy of walking in the room and how to believe. And thank you for breaking this down in so many instances in your life because I

so many rooms in my life I have not felt worthy of being in, or I have potential friendships or different things like that. I've like sabotaged, not knowing why until years later, sabotage them because I didn't think I was worthy of them. And so like, I feel like so much of my life's journey and so many of the things that have happened to me have been me figuring out how to believe I'm worthy of them.

And my relationship with God is, that's the thing. Like, that's the thing. There's a whole lot of other tools. There's a whole lot of other work. There's a whole lot of other things people can do to eventually, you know,

build their self-worth. But for me, that is like the thing. And I think without that, it is a hard uphill, long, long, long, long, long road. I want to ask you about power moves. Okay. Power moves, power moves, ignite your confidence and become a force. Ignite your confidence and become a force. Power moves. Yes.

Sarah Jakes Roberts. So excited for this. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. For the person listening today, who needs this book? Who needs this book in their life right now? How is it going to impact their life when they get it home? Power Moves is going to help them reconcile that the things that have made them feel stuck, stagnant or powerless.

had real power, that it isn't something that should be trivialized, what you're up against, what you're worried about. You have to recognize that it is a strong opponent, but also that power moves and that you have the opportunity to reclaim your power from anything that has left you feeling powerless.

journey here on earth is to reconnect with the ultimate power source. You are created to feel powerful, to not feel small or little or silly or inconsequential. You were created to feel powerful. And the only reason why you don't feel powerful is because there has been something that has happened to you, something that has been said over you that clamped your flow of power.

But it is okay. No matter how powerful it is, you can ignite your confidence and still become a force. But we got to go back and maybe do a little bit of work to help you reclaim that power. And once you do it, you become a force because you're walking in your truth. You wrestled with lies. You wrestled with despair, came out on the other side, and then you get to coach someone else to do the same. And that is what makes you a force. Mm.

I keep just listening to your words and imagining the embers into a fire. Yeah. The embers that we all have into a full out flame, a force of a flame. I believe if somebody is listening to us right now or watching this right now, it is not an accident. No. It is not an accident. And can you share or speak about

a prayer over their life today? Well, God, thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you for taking the time to see about our friends who are watching. Thank you for using all of the technology and resources to create an environment that says, I'm coming after you because I want to see you do well and thrive. God, I pray that you would help them

to remember how to open their heart again. Somebody's watching and maybe their heart has been closed for so long that they don't even know how to open it again. And yet we chiseled at it today. God, I pray that you would make them sensitive to the moments that chip away at their heart, that chip away at that lock that has kept them bound so that they can experience the love that awaits them.

And God, I pray that as you continue to make them sensitive, that you would remind them of the restoration that awaits them, that they don't have to be afraid of any further loss, but only gain from here. A gaining of confidence, of worth, of value, of power.

that will radically change them from the inside out. I thank you, God, for a fresh identity and fresh fire falling on them even now. And I believe that there's going to be a suddenly moment where there is an instant accumulation of all of the good words that

all of the anointed words that have been spoken over them coming like a tidal wave and carrying them to where they should have always been all along in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Amen. I love you. I am so grateful you're here. And I always do a special gift.

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