The Frayed Ends | Chapter 7
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Several weeks after her search at lake on year, I still have been decided how I feel about not finding anything other than an empty plastic barrel. On one hand, it's unfortunate that this case will continue to drag on in search of answers. On the other hand, i'm not sure I really wanted to bear witness to a grieving mother finding out that her sons remains were pulled from the bottom of the lake.

So for now, the search for Justin gains and for answers continues. Eric Wilson and her family have been through more heartbreak than I can imagine over the years since Justin disappeared. They've had to bear the constant sorrow of losing a child while having no answers to explain why IT happened or where is. But this was unfortunately not be the only soul crushing below the family would be dealt .

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On january seventeen s two thousand eleven, Justin step rather germy Wilson tragically died of eviction. He, just like Justin, was only eighteen years old. AmErica has a much harder time discussing jermyn death. So out of respect, I leave IT alone. Eric pains over Jimmy suicide because she'll never have a hope of knowing why or if anything could have been done to prevent IT.

I've learned that talking about Justin is good. I I have an easier time. Talking about Justin are some suicide because that's the whole other thing I talk about bolt. But I mean, just and I talk about all the time, I have no problem .

talking about Justin. I mean, it's easy. It's a sad series of very unfortunate losses the Wilson families have been forced to endure. But somehow they find the strength to keep moving forward. At least with Justin, there is still the .

hope of finding answers.

From wavelan, i'm shan kite, and this is drowning creek.

I spoke on the phone with bob poll know recently to trying get my barring. After all, i've learned he's been on this case a long time and knows the frustration of dead ends as well as anyone. My question, are we looking in the right .

direction when you're in the middle investigation and the pieces to the puzzle start to fit? You run with what you sometimes you have to step aside and say and say, I with yourself and I like the right. Can you know this? I'm reminded of how in .

my investigation so far, though, there been many names thrown around like Martin wilky, leon, shame, new york and others. I'm always brought back to Dylan glass in some way. Glass has been adamant that he's innocent and nothing more than a victim of circumstance and some prejudice that local laender cement has against him due to his past.

But what if dealing glasses is right? That investigators have been looking at the wrong man all these years? What if he is actually innocent? what? Then in one conversation with him, he proposed a few alternate theories for me to explore. I had to keep dan engaged in talking, no matter how ridiculous or obscured these theories of his might seem to me at first, and no matter how much I felt like at times, he might just be grasping at straws or trying to divert the attention away from himself. Dolen brought up justice close circle of friends in the fact that some of the warn is helpful, as one would expect after Justin vanished, something I questioned as well.

If the police, if I was in interrogators and investigators, these are things I would really want to know. Why did all your friends say they didn't have nothing to sake? Because the detective was rude?

If this is your friend, why don't to find? Let's be realistic, if we investigate in this case, why would you say nothing? They need to look at his friends.

They need to look at people that knew him. They need to find out what I, nobody said, not in the world with him. Why did his Brown to kill his cell en what IT really happened?

Why did he go to the club supposedly by himself? Where are his friends say, why don't they want to speak? If this up to me, if. Is on my theory, I believe that somebody that grew up with him, his friends, his brother, somebody that was from his circle, something happened. Whether be an accident or whether to be some hatred behind something else, something happened, and they don't want the truth to come out.

Why were there people so close to Justin gains that were considered stand office to investigators, people like his roommate Chris and Chris s. Girlfriend AManda? I'm also told a Young woman named Carry who Justin was texting back in fourth with the ninety disappeared, has been unwilling to speak with investigators.

Allegedly, Justin Carry had been dating at the time. Chris s. Mother was an attorney in two thousand seven.

So could he simply have been advised to not say much, to not implicate himself in anyway? But again, why? If you had nothing to hide, none have responded. My attempts to reach dill in then presents another theory. Possibly the most bizarre yet is .

real keys.

Suspected cross county serial killer thirty four year old israel keys was being held for the kidnapping and murder of an alaska .

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that they so far have eight confirmed murders and rapes, including a couple in essex for a month, four others in washington state, and one more on .

the tonight. FBI now believes, confess, serial killer israel keys took eleven lives. That's up from their previous counter, eight.

There is no one who knows me or who has ever known me, who knows anything about me, really, because and two different people, basically. Israel keys is an american serial killer who, meticulous ly and method ally, worked his way across the country, amassing victims for eleven years between two thousand and early twenty twelve, when he was captured. Dulin wonders, is there a connection between israel keys and Justin gains? Is disappearance.

At first, I admit that this seemed completely absurd and far a fetched. How could just in gains possibly be connected to a serial killer? dulan? And I talked briefly about keys, and I researched him extensively.

him for killing multiple people. Because when I look at me, you know how embarrassing to be why you point at me if a fucked and serial killer and killed his boy and got a way we did. And you black whole world thing, can I do IT that be very weird when they don't, anna, tell the world that they don't want to tell the world how fucked and hill kill a former asa that cope with multiple victims and head is fucking teacher and a computer and tells on his interview that he travelled with test the beyond testing in a the united states was killed an innocent people and had 没 办 an army veteran。

Keys traveled frequently, though he was largely concentrated in the pacific northwest. He's been traced to vermont, new york, washington state organ, texas, california and alaska, among others. He's thought to have committed murders in many, if not all, of those states, including four murders in washington alone.

There are some who questioned if he committed murder abroad. Keys eventually confess to the FBI that he buried what he called kill cuts all over the country. The kids house in water tight buckets or trash bags contained everything he would need to commit his crimes.

Zip tize, a twenty two caliber gun with a homemade silencer, a mask and materials that would speed the decomposition of a body. Some cashes, the FBI found, had been in the ground for more than two years. And when keys felt the urge to kill again, he would plan a trip to a location where one of these kids were located, and then find a victim at random, used only cash and would remove his cell one's battery.

So he was untractable, though his victims were chosen at random. Everything else keys did was meticulous. Ly planned out, but he would eventually make the critical mistake of deviating from this Normal routine of this is actual police dash cam audio of keys shortly before his arrest.

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israel keys was arrested in early twenty twelve after authorities traced steps from alaska to texas as he used eighteen year old Samantha ics a card numerous times. Keys had raped and killed the Young woman in alaska, dismembered her body and placed IT piece by piece in a frozen over lake while he ice fished. When A F, B, I agent casually asked what he did with the fishy card that day, keys, slightly dumb, founded at the question, replied, I aid them. But where does Dylan glass make the connection between a monster serial killer like israel keys and Justin gains?

Why is just a against teacher? And this man's lay at top with other missing person victims and people that he killed. Why he is a man computer on the left keys who obsessively .

researched serial killers was found to a routinely scanned the national missing an uni dense fied person's system website. Exactly why he did this is unclear, but when his laptop was convicted after his arrest, IT was discovered that he had downloaded and saved pictures of missing people from the website. A website, or Justin is still listed as missing .

with his connection to the FBI.

I asked my rising if I could be confirmed that Justin gains his picture, was on key's laptop or not.

We've got FBI agent in others there, each assigned counties until they were. I can get their email address and send them an email. Can you check this out? Is just and gains as picture on israel keys IT maybe bogus or not.

I'll let you know what might comes back with, if anything, in early december of twenty twelve, key slitters wrist and hung himself in itself at engage correctional complex while awaiting trial. Before he did so, he drew eleven skills on paper in his own blood and one pentagram with a crude depiction of the go headed idle baa, the widely used symbol for devil score on the bottom of an image where the words we are one.

That's what he tells you. They say, yes, they not travel. Pick random, pick up all over the united states.

They said, why he's a White night. He said, I used to use cash and build, killed kids by the vicinity. He says, why I would be undertake IT oh, this is that they don't talk about that. Oh, that's cause is too.

Before his death, keys confessed to several bank robberies, arson and six murder, alluding to the FBI that there were others but wouldn't give up more information. He said that several bodies were discarded in various lakes across the country, which does erly line up with Justin's alleged demise, but all but one of keys is known victims or women.

After researching the keys case, I feel it's technically possible, but not at all likely. The FBI painstakingly detailed every move keys made during his eleven year killing spray. Using rental car, hotel and flight transactions.

They even accounted for the number of miles each rental car was driven. According to the FBI in two thousand, seven keys flew from encode aska to los Angeles on october twenty and returned on november second. While in los Angeles, he rented a car and drove only ninety five miles.

I find IT nearly impossible for keys to have gone from L. A. To georgia and back undetected during the short window of time.

And there are no records of him flying or driving to georgia. There is no information to conclude that israel keys was ever in George at all. This time, i've heard many theories on what happened to Justin gains over the past several months.

Scouring the internet, one can find claims of him running to mexico, hiding out in peru, or even that he may have been killed by the smile face killers, a group of people committing murders across the country targeting White, male college students. The smiling face killers have been largely disputed by law enforcement, though, is nothing more than an urban legend. But again, these are just theories. And to make any of them work, you have to overlook mounds of evidence collected by law enforcement in georgia over the years when IT comes to dealing in glasses series on justice death. There's one thing we can whole hardley agree on.

You can convince me that are all these people. This Young kid goes to a fucking club with three thousand people, and nobody knows what happened. After almost a year.

I feel like you've made some progress. I also feel like there is something missing. I'm going to say something that some people might find unbelievable or even crazy at this point, that even after hearing everything I have about dilling glass, his confessions, his past, his rap sheet and several I witness accounts involving him, i'm still not convinced he killed Justin gains.

There is no absolute proof IT, no DNA, no other physical events, no body, at least not yet. But I do feel that he knows more than he told me, while I continue to investigate Dylan and look for information on where Justin might be, I can allow myself to fall into the trap of having tunnel vision. I have to chase down every lead as if it's the one that could break this case. With that in mind, I recently spoke with a woman named Jessica who claims to have information. SHE had commented on a post on the facebook page eric Wilson runs dedicated to finding Justin IT was regarding a recent segment .

data air on the case.

My friend tagged to me on IT, and I was like, there's no point me when calling because they're not going to listen anything I say, you know, era personally reached out to me and he was like, have you talked to mike? I talk to ham. And finally, someone listen to me.

The people who are handling the case, at first they don't give a ship and then i'm gonna boy, they didn't even write down anything. I told them they didn't. I mean, literally nothing. And I had been calling for years, like fifteen years before my rising .

took over Justin's case, jusici says he had reported her story to police several times and even called the fb types ine, but wasn't taken seriously their .

exact words worth, well, this is a line up to what we think happened. And I said, well, respectfully, maybe what you think happened isn't what happened.

Jessica story is one that mike rising is now taking seriously, because this woman seems to know more than you should. And IT goes deeper than just, just gains.

I was hanging around with the wrong crowd. You know, sixteen thousand, thousand and years ago, there is a party at a lake. One of my god, you know, girlfriends feels OK.

You know, you start talking to the sky and he was like, I don't want to go about myself, you come with me. Those I yah, sure. So I went.

Shortly after he arrived, jesica says he was approached by the man who owned the house.

I walked down the driveway and I guess he was on something. I don't i'm not really fully sure what truck he was on, but he took a look at me and he caught me. Justin.

He tried to attack me, and he said, how are you still alive? You're supposed to be at the bottom of my lake. We put you at the bottom of my like.

This terrifying encounter took place in two thousand and seven, and though he remembers that was cold outside, SHE doesn't know the exact date, but we can ascertain that IT happened in early november because Justin's disappearance wasn't yet public knowledge.

according to the sica at the time, this case wasn't televised and all that kind of stuff. When all this happened, this is almost right out. And this had to be like, right after, are scared, because he tried to stop me.

try to stab you.

He didn't with what? yeah. And I IT took like four, five people to hold him back from me.

And like, they were, like, telling me to go to end of the driveway, whatever. And my friend had left because he was going to a liquor store. The liquor store was like a guessing to drive away. So I was just kind of there. There are some big name people that were there someone with the last name glass?

Again, the name glass arises when I wasn't expecting. Is IT possible that dolan was there, or is he simply mistaken? Dan's brother, Justin glass was in prison at the time.

Justin gains disappeared, so I doubt was him at the party. SHE does know the name of the man. He says a tacker, though Geoffrey Jessica continues, telling me what happened that night.

They got him in the room, like, in his bedroom. They cannot like, blocked him away. I had found out shortly after that, he actually tried to stop a pregnant woman in his basement, and this kind of like the same issue where he called her just and and said, I killed you right here.

how? How are you alive? I'm asking that his conscience was eating at him, but the guys that he was hanging out with, we're bragging about certain things.

And all I remember when he called me just sting, the guys who's lasting with class. He told him to shut, shut the fuck up. He's like to talking about, know her together.

You're just poked up. We need to shut up with talking which scared me because that I could tell something, you know, really happened. And then after this happening, me realizing that there is a kid who actually went missing and IT terrified me. That's that's what happened to me personally after that, like I I got that was IT that I was done after that because I just absolutely get to me. So I kind of change my whole, my whole circle of people I was associated with.

Just go mentioned the man having attacked another woman in the same man, which he tells me SHE actually learned from an officer when he went to follow a report with connect Candy police.

I wish I knew the other girl that this happened to, because the only thing when I had called when at county before to talk to them, when I told of my story, all he said was, well, the things your saying doesn't really line up to everything he's like. All I can tell you that there was a girl, another girl that was pregnant, that he tried to harm, calling her testing as well.

How is that not relevant to them?

I don't know. When I told him everything that happened, he's like, well, this just IT isn't alone with what we think happened and I was like, you do not telling you anything or i'm just telling you what happened to me that night and I was literally right. The sky disappeared. If it's been on my conscience, it's been on my mind. And his mom needs to know I .

have no way of knowing who this woman was. So it's impossible for me to reach out to her for more information, despite there are being two victims sharing the same experience. Jessica never heard back from one at Candy police.

No one ever contacted me. No one ever called my phone. No one texts me. No one reached to her. They just don't care.

Now, Jessica has me wondering who this jeffrey guy is, and if he could be related to Justin's disappearance, or was he just some guy on drugs and freaking out for whatever reason? Still, if Justin's name hadn't yet hit the news, this is highly suspicious, and IT should have been followed up on by investigators. Jessica then tells me something else SHE remembers. IT was something SHE noticed in the basement of the lake while waiting for her friend to return from the liquor store and take her home.

IT was like an area that we were all sitting in, because when we walk down the stairs of one of the girls made the comment, when IT smells like bleach down here.

really.

yeah, they had ripped out all the SHE rock, all of IT. There was no carpet. I remember that there was no carpet, there was no sheet rock. You tell, like whether used to be they quit me out, you know, like, after all, this stuff happened. So I was this kind of like really human guard one to say there used, there was a pull table or something there that he's been the middle of the room or something and IT wasn't there are any more is what they were saying there, like what we used to be able to play pool, but we had to we can't use that pull table or something. We had to take IT out like the second that my friend got back.

like we left desk .

is not sure exactly what lake the house was on as he had never been there before and hasn't been again in sixteen years. Her description of the basement being gutted and smelling like bleach is concerning, as i've heard the same thing about andy pickings house boat and his van before they vanished there as well, have been renovated and smell of bleach right around the time just and went missing.

It's also interesting that SHE mentioned a pool table in middle of the room because don told me that he used to play pool in his basement. Is IT possible that desk is getting things confused. And IT wasn't actually a house on the lake, but perhaps near one.

Obviously, andy pickings wasn't the only person to have a pool table in his basement. And if the homeowner was renovating, replacing the flooring, they would have obviously had to remove the poll table. So maybe these are just two different houses, but the similarities in the stories i've heard are intriguing. What Jessica volunteers next regarding Justin takes us right back to where we started with dillen glasses confession.

I have a really good girlfriend of mine. The father of her child brought him for questioning over this, and he felt his light detector test. He was worried sick that something was gonna en him, and he kept asking him, well, what did you do? Tell me, what did you do? Did you have something to do with this? And he would never tell her. I know he did felt his slighter tectonic asking about if he had anything to do with Justin death. And that's not .

public knowledge.

Who do you hear that from his baby mama?

Are you able to tell me his name?

lynd.

Jessica is right. Leon was brought in for questioning and took a poly graph, which he quote failed miserably, according to investigators notes.

I don't if you get records, but I can tell you that they have picked leon up one time along with dealing glass, and took them both at the same time to some will that they thought that he was at in dilling. Keep screaming at him. Just tell me where the bodies at, man, just tell where the bodies at. And leon was like, I don't know what, after talking .

about in twenty fifteen, after dilling, the police walton county share of joe chapman told me he personally took Dylan and leon to a remote area called high shows where justice remains were thought to be. He told me Dylan pleaded with leyne to tell where Justin was buried, but leon wouldn't budge.

We were out on in Jones woods in a million, nowhere on little bridge over creek. Put those two together, just like you are right now. I put in face to face and didn't look the guys and may give IT up.

They know. I told him everything. You just sit and look not a word, didn't say a word. I've never seen a that thick. I've seen the worst of the worst rat after but is if I think it's gonna them but not here no how to say in a word.

But Jessica, he tells me what he heard about leon after he came home from that outing .

with the shera talking about he's something about, I didn't I didn't really know him. I didn't know him like that, something about flashy. That's why I thought maybe I watch, said the earings like maybe he didn't say maybe was the earrings that he was talking about that I think that he felt that like a tempter test. And all he kept saying his, you know, was like, that can be the only thing that they arrested store the children can use that do they can do nothing without a body.

What Jessica tells me SHE discussed with lion's baby mama could turn out to be extremely important, not just for what he heard, but for who is saying IT the baby moment and question turns out to be none other than either the same heather identified as the woman Justin got into the car with outside of wild bills shortly before he disappeared. SHE was identified by more than one person by name using the clubs surveilLance footage.

Leon was also positively identified on camera at the club that night. I wanted talk them, but that thought has come with a stern warning from several people. My only word .

to you is to do in broad daylight and be very, very careful. He's not someone that you can dispute .

like that even sure of chapman seem to give me a friendly reality check. When I discuss speaking with people like leon.

they've kill one. You know, like all folks say, when you asked them, does that dog by as you get t some dying, there are all you float and likely may.

Chapman was ha joking with me, but there's also a truth in what he says. There's a real warning there a Young man is dead and whoever did IT has gone to great links to cover IT up. So what would they be willing to do with someone like me started poking around, kicking the horns nest? It's a reminder that I have to take this seriously.

and I can't let my god down. How willing are you to dive into these waters?

It's a good question. How willing am I? But after something i've recently learned, I might not need to dive in the waters again at all, because this investigation into the disappearance of Justin gains once again has pivoted this time in a very serious way.

There is a house here in walton canny that came up with having mexicans associated with the car tee living there. This house is as far as the owners of the property and that having been connected with the players in the Justin games cafe, there's not really a connection criminally between the people that own the property and Justin games. It's their children. They're i've doing their own thing, their own little criminal acts, which involved drug traffic.

This car tell story, you know, it's been there the whole time, right? Without anyone really realizing IT, which is, I think, why that anonymous call is so important because that named chino cho, as far as you know, is in some way tied to this car tail.

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