"RE-RELEASE: Don Cheadle"
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Hi everybody, how is your day today?

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Shaan, what's on your cap? There's at a college is S U.

Elon state university, where have an honor doctor and a scholarship fund set up for people who wanted go to music and acting.

They still have credited, I mean, after the a diplomat, I heard that after they give you diplomat, that they were ripped of their power.

Once a real, is that an online verse?

I still wear my .

sash to bed. Once they did an assessment of give this guy of fuck PLA.

did you really go to I S U?

I went to ill in a state university, is to one of the .

greatest colleagues number OK quickly. google. I don't think you, I know, you know, who went there? Me.

jane lunch, crag Robinson and I wear music .

majors to think about.

hey, are net where you go to school?

I didn't. I dropped out. Man, no, you went to fuck in. Her dog stood trets hard.

Not life .

with any toronto .

tonto do you to want? Excuse me, you went to additional, additional voluntary school.

I did for half a year, alf year. I know I ve.

Voluntary access to convert that voluntary additional school and just didn't understand the concept of that. You know like, yeah I mean, I now have an option to not go. So taking that option sure going .

to joke yeah sure.

Love one. I don't realize .

you were grab in the rains here. We were just merely going down a path. But and talk more about your school.

take more about school every ready. The best gift I ever received was a broken drum. You can't beat IT.

okay.

What's right? That's okay. He doesn't claim these to be great.

joke. Oh.

you say you want to hear a dad joke.

If you see what I joke, I ready for .

something good. Dad joke means is not like.

how about bad joke? Say bad joke. So people are more.

here's a mom joke. What's fast or hot? Cold, hot. You can always catch a cold.

That's good. That's good. That's pretty good. I guarantee you at least one of our listeners will be using that today after they get out their car cost or after subway or done with their job. No fun. No.

I love just knowing. I just I love Jason trying to imagine what regular people do, so they get on the and. Kids or kids, good by walk out door, go to job, say, hi boss, officers want .

to hear joe.

want to hear joke, add water cooler with, I love succession to, and what are .

you watching?

I'm also watching succession. Are you watching in? I am also worried about saying that I don't like IT word you. I do like I am just the real.

real good opening patter. Everybody.

everybody, sleep well. I really well.

Patterns over. Let's get to our high level guest.

Good though, did you for the actually that is worth you are talk to .

us about your sleep, that guess, and not go away for your sleep. Well.

it's very rare that he has good sleep before we get into IT is true, shown and i'm happy for you. And there's nobody we talk about IT all the time. Sean, yesterday morning, jb, sean, I said to, hey, you've got a second. Let let me know when you've got to say, like at six, let me know you've IT was he calls me and I and I thought that he was back, you know, as usual thing, he wakes up the night and then he goes back to back at six thirty until ten is whatever yeah, he was up and he'd been up since three thirty. They not a bad run of not being all sleep.

So so I slept all through the night. I get up to P.

I went my back to sleep. And why do you think that is if you load up on a bunch of sugar before you want to bed?

I did a little bit, but because of yesterday, I think that was talking about, I think I ran myself around in circles like a little child up at three thirty, and then I just crashed and made me sleep all night .

long with awesome, you know, a fucking story.

I. On the up like ten minutes anyway.

so that we start for that. You are right. Well, silly me. So today's guest is so immensely .

accomplished story.

and the guy who else slips through the whole night make sure you call in our lines are open and love to hear about IT so our next guest is so accomplished and so um univerSally loved okay um he's done everything he's done, television, film, theatre, it's even got a grandma believe um it's been comedy, it's been drama. It's been popcorn movies, it's been academy movies. I just don't know what else to say about this fell except he's a new friend a okay um we met online and um he is also captured and no, he is a new friend that i'm very excited about um he swings a mean .

golf club. Then you know the way that started was he .

swings and I know he'll take you .

where you want to go on the weekends. Okay, well, that's what i'm saying. Yeah but listen, I love him. He's here very kind of say yes because this is a big shot, ladies, gentlemen, mister, does sheol I love what's .

happened?

Good thing. Done, done, done.

done. Trying to .

remember done. What is that great nickname that you were given because you're so smooth? I couldn't remember you told me this on the gold.

I think Kelly slater said that was very dunch a lot.

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Is that a is that a new nickname that's really clever?

It's i'm trying to put you out there. You know, I was going to try to successful .

out there, fully out there. And if you run into down, just on the streets, just immediately dunch IT. Yeah.

let you can .

single gun IT or double gun IT.

Don, hi, good.

More what's up? I love that you the .

team was like, you've got to do these guys pocket. You're gonna ve. I'd love all of you individually, collectively. Um not as much when I said through the Better they are early.

It's like, remember, member, the joy that regions and catheter used to give you with with that first ten minutes of coffee patter. That's what reaching for done.

You know, no, IT was a ring. IT was just three and six minutes .

done where we find you right now. Because in this I ask is because you look like you're either coming from or going to the golf course because you were a zip. But I want to say which is surprising because you are such you so busy and rightful. So because you're always you fit in that category for me to people who are always good no matter what the project is, you're so consistently awesome .

all the time.

I don't know you know .

you yeah ski just watched just last week.

not even .

knowing obviously you that we were going to be on k. You're just and you we watch mission to mars and I was like, there's done again and you're brilliant in IT always yeah you know watch .

anything that I am picking up up on surprise and shan's .

voice though says and your no, no.

no, no I meant to .

wills point in the.

And that you could grow facial here. I thought I was only James.

This is not really facial hair gusting no.

So what's .

happening .

there in a lana are .

working on something no doubt i'm working on .

something. Uh it's a project called the um and I am this wonderful project with who you guys had on show. Kevin heart, yes.

Sam Jackson, I hanson turns tower. Ww, yeah, it's some IT should be. IT should be.

I'm looking forward to you. I just have shot one day. You know, i'm looking forward .

to could just be fired. They be so easily .

reach ot one day in so watch IT.

I've been replaced before. I would be no, have you? I've been .

replaced before. O I I think I didn't .

need to bring with something bank.

I think that love that doesn't no, I no sorry. I just.

of course.

mine was a cu ship.

Mine was a cruel st though, because I worked my nds off on this pilot. We shot the pilot. IT went well.

So I thought, and then like a couple of days before the big announcements happened about whether pilots are going to get picked up to go to series, I get a call for my age and saying, are you are going to? Good news, bad news. Good news is a show ga picked up.

And I said, unbeliever, we goes here. Let, let me finish. The bad news is that are going to go different direction with your character.

I said, okay, two days later, found out they are actually not picking up the show. So do I mean, just like the worst forty eight out? So, good, good.

Well, but I could be great with, I could have been spared.

I could have been spared all of IT by just them saying why we're not picking up the show, basically were all fired. You are you .

still with this agent?

No.

but it's good to know. I like IT is personal .

a little bit because they were like, hey, we know the shows not getting picked up, but let's let bait know, did he was not .

coming away in the event .

that this is going forward? Not you fired two.

I got fired off a pilot that went to serious the year before. We should to arrest the government.

H, god bless.

And had been, had I not been, I would have been stuck on that show. Don't wait a second. So you're in the land. You're doing this thing with sage Jackson. Are you are you potentially playing golf with sam today?

You know, sam has been on ir for a minute. I hope he comes off because I would love to we used to play a lot, but his nursing and reading .

his game.

that was like .

a what wow yeah damage ww all these people, the games just so easy to so many people.

You know, sam, famously, whenever he would get a gig apart, his contract was they had to get a membership to whatever local course there was because he such freak about IT. So he know.

yeah, he played .

everywhere as, like, you can do that. Sam also was, you know, mr, if you force me, you bring me, me nine hundred dollars h in the world the next day, like a drug. I was like, my hero. Yeah.

that by the way, Jason, you could Jason, right now, you see he looked down. He's got, he's just gone. His phone speed out the sea right now, what the fuck?

You got twelve country club short damage?

yes. All right. Now.

how do you like? How do you like? IT, lana, know, i've worked there a lot.

I I always thought that I was not going to be a place for me. And every time I work there, I just love IT more and more and more. Did you enjoy yourself there? You'd've work their bunch?

Yes, i've worked to a bunch because a lot of the marvel stuff was here, right? And I been around IT a little bit more. But this is probably the longest stretches that i'm gonna here. So i'm looking forward to like getting up to the mountains and legs and just check IT all that. So so I did a movie .

there a long time ago, and I during the summer, did you guys shoot those all those marbles movies like the summer time, because you can't break this so hot.

hot land, hot. yeah. yeah.

And how do you hear in those costumes and running around in that heat?

Is that what in you're in space?

yeah. I mean, I think that was the call back.

And yeah, no but I mean, that brutal yeah.

it's brutal. I mean, I was in on from kinda city misery where, you know ninety eight degrees and ninety eight percent humidity so I was I was, I was born for this yeah no yeah but yeah, it's it's not fun. But right now, it's very cold actually. Yeah.

I get cold. I like IT. I like IT to.

I like J, B. I spent the last few years about last year. I spent six months, most later.

And I really like that. I really like the people. When you find a kind of a good zone where you can fine your .

stuff and what .

I like a but I was I right here for a little five points. Like all in there. Like, that's where I was staying.

IT was awesome. Like, great. Like dance.

And O, K.

O K, yes, yeah. So.

yeah that you open.

that you open, that you open. IT. This is this, like in court case.

good sleep last night down.

Know what's the layers with Shawn was talking about that is, I was very jealous because I did not .

sleep well. Less .

my fault.

Oh, my fault. I'm talking about fucking alana or talking about the weather we're talking about. To sleep is like, let's get something hard hitting. Now, somebody told me the other day that kinds of city, we kind of city, is actually split right down the middle, the border between kansas .

and missouri and the cannot.

It's A A.

no, no, help me. People.

no, no, no. You there, there's one in kansas and there's a kansas city in mature and two different their clothes.

There are two different places called ka city. 那 我。

i just about done this is, this is every day.

by the way, this fifty four years old, and this is, this is, i'm just now getting clarity on this. Lets do a public icy. There are two, two places called hands, a city, ones in missouri, ones in kansas.

Now, which ones got? Which one's got? The royals?

The missouris .

got what?

Let me just say this. Don't take a look at jb face. Jb walked on through the gumy routine. This is explain a lot. Welcome through the timing and still up.

I'm still up in last night. No, no.

that this a little bit on the goof course. I don't remember. You remember you sure you don't remember because you got my program?

No, I never, never want. I'm golfing, golfing.

serious business.

You said that no way is. Second, what but what sports team does kansas city, kansas, is, is that the royals are theory.

Do we want to ask, go to like the way the city.

kansas has nothing. Is that correct? No sports teams.

No profession. Sports teams. I'll let IT rest. I hope .

they're looking IT up.

AmErica .

looked into that. You might be .

absolutely.

I has the royal. Are there any sports teams in canada?

City, can am so sorry. AmErica and specifically.

and city has had teams in all five of the major question. First, three major leagues remain today.

Is that missouri?

Is that canas? That's canadas city, kansas.

OK. But whose in kansas city, kansas?

No, no, no. Boy, this is, again, we're going to pick this up. Hey, don, how you get started in the business? I know.

I want to know. Jb, fuck you.

You have.

I want to know a little porn called the down silanus.

No, I do want to know because to me i've seen you in so many things and like we will said, always brilliant. Like to me, you were born on screen like I don't know anything .

about you other than the one you other .

than we we run into each other few times and lovely conversations. But tell me, how did you get like we were in theater in high school.

both side bar, we almost we played around with doing a movie together .

at one point of that off yeah but thank you for .

your consideration. Yes.

wait a dodgeball IT on.

I was trying to give a compliment and went .

right in the trust. No, but did you did you were you interested in high school? Like what eight, how early way did you get the bug?

So I kind of got the early acting bug. I think I was in sixth grade. Uh, I was tempting the rat in a production Charlotte web that was written about extensively in the the denver then out of periodical. You can not look IT up.

I'm sure that i'm not.

I am just like I was think about so um the day .

that was the red yeah and when chio .

hits the stage hold on to year yeah um so I did that but I was also doing music um kind of the same time that's when I got um involved in in playing my sax phone and instrumental jazz. And so I kind of was on these two tracks of really studying music. And I when I went to high school, I had a great acting coach, a great acting teacher, a great drama fast and I was in a really a really good jazz.

So I was kind of on these two tracks. And then I graduated from high school. I had applied for both things, to go into music, to go into vocal jazz, to go into instrumental jazz. I said to study acting, fear acting. And I got some scholarship money from a bunch of different places, and I kind of made .

for acting, our music .

or both. But I kind of made not only a weather choice, but I think I made a choice based on what I believe is going to be able to actually do. Because I grew up with musicians now, who are like profession musicians and who are hugely successful and incredible.

And I knew what I was going to take to actually be able to do that, go down that road and, you know, sheep and learning theory and doing all of those things that I was like, i'm I know i'm not going to do that yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think i'm probably going to spend my time or being a being out of the house, being with other people in pursuing, acting. And I love that is I love that equally. So I kind of win up that road.

but there definitely science and math to music that you have to want to.

And I think kind I was intimidated by bit, to be honest. I think I was a little i've gotten by. I had really good here and i've gotten by and really being able to to hear music rather than understanding how I broke down and a wide I when I when I get into the weeds on that. So like I kind of rent is something that I felt more comfortable with. But it's funny that the music is kind of come back around and that's become a bigger part of my career.

Did and shine. Forgive me for taking your question, but did you ever think about, you know, kind like when the guy dropped the the chocolate and in the tub of peanut butter and they came up with the reasons is you everything you taken the music and and dumping that into the theater and going into musical theater, shown five, six, did that ever did never get into that stuff oh.

he sure did. Let's talk about the tony, go ahead.

Um well, i've never got in one, but I do something .

award .

winning a show called strange loop.

yes. Oh my god that's right. With with barber barber whitman, yes right. And SHE produce the play logistic, that's right. Yeah.

yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Crazy great show.

But to you yourself, for you yourself at IT, like in high school or afterwards in college.

absolutely. Yes, one hundred percent. I mean, I when I graduated high school, the choice I made was to go to california, that california is through the arts.

And we, you know, did everything there, musical and dramas and classical piece. We did. We did everything. I was really a great experience for me in a place to be able to try everything and make a lot of mistakes. And you not get fired forward as a result.

Get ready. Because I love horrible theater stories, things that go wrong. So just .

get one ready. Oh yes.

before we get to one of those, can you guys extend your tolerance for my lack of intelligence again?

Can the city are going to go the cheese .

in the royals? It's pretty good and .

i'm on the border. but. And we will be right back.

And now back to the show.

So jazz talk to me about jazz. Now I am a big music fan and and specifically classical music. And so I feel like if I love classical music, I could really love jazz because it's a little easier to love, is a little more to tap.

But I gotto understand IT a little bit more. And i'm hearing that jazz, it's its real appeal, is, uh, knowing that for the most part it's improvised. Is that correct? Or is there is is IT? Is IT more traditionally written out in their sheet.

Music is a component of a and I think the umbrella of jazz under that are many, many subdivisions in categories. It's a huge sort of a blanket term, especially by now. Know if you think of somebody like robber glaser, who I want agree me with for producing my first .

gram got a really .

terrible .

because yeah.

thanks. And what .

are you close to an ega two.

Oh, no.

you that's clear. I think your thoughts clear now to get that look okay.

That's good. Now you .

have a nomination. Ega, I think you do. Yes.

I have a nomination, but but I don't have them like grab glass. You look at his music and he's you know he's spends the globe of what his musical knowledge is in his experience yeah and he does popular stuff, black radio, which is sort of I think you would think of more is like r and b influences and the industrial ahead, you know, jazz standards, and he does everything in between.

So I think if you were to ask musician like that, what jazz is, or even if you were going to go back and ask, you know, Davis with jazz, was he hated that word. He was like, that's a word to box somebody in. You know, it's about good music.

It's about social music. So I think they're different. Like when I get in the car and you know the driver take you somewhere as like, let's put on some jazz.

He put on smooth jazz. It's T I done you don't jazz on the hollywood reporter home page so that he wouldn't do you. But let me just, let me just say this. We did this bit. We know in our show for nothing. Okay, so where we had, where we did, this guy is getting ready to have this girl low for a date and and then this body suggest has just put ja zon and they look at each other and their like and they're unsure and he goes, not sure where I fall in jazz and our joke who's always that like I can't figure out if it's cool to say I do like IT or if it's cool to say I don't .

like IT and i'm still trying to decide where I on me too like I just feel like I know says you .

should go to new orleans .

for the jazz festival you list of yeah i'm more like i'm open to IT if there's a Melody that I can hum back like song i'm not .

open to the the the jazz that's just people .

just playing .

improve sed fusion .

is yeah that be just anything .

you can work off anything what I I love .

IT all because if you're .

really if you're no match on to .

grab your saying and have some fun yeah well .

you heard IT jb.

You heard IT too right now but so done so you so you're learning the sexiest in an early age that gets you into music. That's a eventually you find uh, an appreciation for miles Davis and then that project comes about that was was at documented that you produce you and .

you played him. Yes.

yes, yes. Weren't weren't not good journal reliant. And I remember .

you telling me when I went into you, you're working on that nominations .

or even some wins for that, I believe.

Well, that was the grammy I that we got for the soundtrack, which is really cool that that when we put together with rob lin and that together that but yeah, I think it's a big category. Talk about jokes and shows. We had one on black monday where i'm talking to thank you very much.

I'm talking to region and done her name. The character is done about IT. And he goes, I can never get into jazz. I just always sounds like a bunch of instruments from try to stay.

Now, in my, in my incredible research, did you really work on the fresh prince?

Funny enough, I did. I was on one of the first episodes of fresh prince. And I have a funny pilot firing story, too, about a pilot that didn't go. So I I did I think he was the second or third episode of fresh friends where will was still super Green. He's like now thing everyone's words along with so say he's line and he staring you and you say your line he.

yeah.

it's milking IT. That's such a thing for people who do that, such an actor thing, right? yeah. Yes, I think my dialogue to me, I M say .

so he was so studious, you knew everybody's lines and then you would like mother everybodys ines. But so we did that one. And by the third, fourth show that the creates Susan and andy barwood, who were the behead rides on the show, they said, we wanted do a show around you, not necessarily based on the character that you're playing on this, but we just wanted do a show around you.

And I was like, okay, that's cool. So they wrote this show. How would real when I did fresh .

friends? Yeah.

that really germain to the store?

I mean, he is going to come in that.

How old do I was? Six OK. And no, yes.

what are you getting office for your own show? He's like Michael landon. Create a show for me. Sorry.

I O so so I third day they come down and I going into the show, I said, okay, great. So they wrote this pilot, we shot the pilots called in the house. I wrote the same song to the day in court. Just everything .

was great IT .

have super, super heavy sexy IT was on the schedule and I you know, i'm pretty like I don't believe IT until I see you and I just kind of wasn't believing that I was real and also I just was a huge that IT was the biggest thing that had happened in my career that time I like I don't something telling me this isn't real but IT was on the schedule IT was going um so like the day before I got this fateful car, I gave my brother my car like, hey, it's on take the car. I'm about to have this huge windfall yeah it's i'm ready in the next day, got a call and they said it's off the schedule um IT was how old I was was brand and target coff was still running in be that very I people listened yeah but when he step down in one little field came and he killed all the shows that were work and that was cash you shown .

shown you told me a story and create me from wrong about where you shot the pilot because they had minor net sauce and set a cocktail sauce for your officers. Is that true? And you guys, we're battle, leave vanities and you you was so mad, you was sure because you like, I hate munt can tell so but I spare the copilot as .

a lesson so if he could .

live to tell the story to other pilots 的对， to get the .

sausages right now, right? So now done. Could you imagine if that show had taken off, became a big success? You would have been a big set comm star. I wonder where your career would have gone thing, but like, so going back before that, was there another significant fork in the road, either where you grew up like a fateful move to a certain city, or what your parents were doing or saying or sibling, where you could have easy seen if I just simply gone right instead of left, I would be a veteran an today, or I would be an architect today or was there was there fork that that question?

Thank you. I mean, you know, it's crazy that that my fall back was music. Like if this acting thing doesn't work out, i'll be a jazz musician that will get me there.

So so I mean, that's where I was trending. That's what I want to to do. And and quite honestly, it's there's still no greater pleasure that I have you know in any sort performance capacity than being with musicians and creating music. Really that to me, the highest IT really is I think because of that you were talking about improvers tion that that you're creating things spontaneous. Ly, I don't know it's doing biochemically to you, but i'm sure if you have electorates zone and they were were testing you, you're getting dopamine hits that are just through the roof because it's just so alive yeah and and necesitate .

this connection with these fellow part in the term artist that you're kind of communicate without speaking and there's a Better off and and a yes and thing you get that also in acting but yeah you and there's also .

that thing you do when you perform alive. You you also get that when you get that feedback from an audience um when you're on stage and you get that thing and IT starts to inform you a little bit, they become part of your creative process.

Could you get juice from that? I think yeah solution language transit. You know the english, spanish, we can all speak this language yeah there there's a big unifying thing that IT does is just like .

I had the same thing. I know I always had music to fall back. And should the, you know, the acting thing and still have the music to pull back out of the acting thing doesn't work at. But I always thought my fall back was going to be or just be a pop star.

You can you so t well.

no.

but you right now we do this, everyone that .

now don't .

find IT for going to pay .

before down leave. Hey, don, do you .

have a place .

where you go like woody Allen famously ook, is cleaning or whatever and.

That but you're .

my new favorite .

guy on the podcast.

Do you a place where you go WIP out .

your sex and go play IT?

I just said will got down and you .

don't have to jump on here.

I did jump on but but.

Like do you have take .

IT there?

IT is um do you have a band that you play with or or or jaws cut that you go to every once in a while?

no. And i've been like ounce bouncing around on dip, so I played the sacks and then I didn't do that. I know when I went to color, IT was IT was kind of like A A conservative or the amount of time you had to spend on there was no time really to do anything but theater and voice and movement and then and that.

So I just kind of dropped IT. And then I was in new york doing a play, and I walk by a pond shop and I saw this beautiful tender sacks. Sounds like i'm onna pick IT back up again.

I'm going to see if I have any facility because you know you lose your ambushes. You use lose that muscular ure to be able to play IT. It's hard to get IT back. So I started playing IT again if I sounded terabits like, no, just hang out, just like stay with IT.

So I started doing that and then I um took a gig actually um the uh red pack movie and playing every day is junior play drums and play trumpet and you gung world and could play piano yeah and so I kind of went back to school again, having you know having lessons from all of these teachers to learn how to do all these different things. And that's when I started trying to pick up the trumpet, which became something that was going to I didn't I was gonna later when I did the miles every. So i've been playing base more than anything lately and piano more than anything lately.

I haven't gone back to the sacks and I did bring about a really beautiful brand in sacks and let this do you play. You just recorded an album with the and it's like, so it's always in the preference somewhere. But I haven't I think the most amazing experience I had in musical experience in the last couple years, rob glass was at, is the recording something said, hey, come back, come listening and I said, yeah, keep a track open because i'm going bring the base and i'm gonna like, you know, kill you guys with some shit.

So just keep the track open. I was completely joking. And so I came over and I listen to him for while and goes, okay, here, here's the base.

Let's go. I said, no, no, no. I was. I was joking. I I don't want to play. I know you're gonna play and IT became sort of like, you know, trial by fire and I don't play like that. But when you play with great musicians, you know they lift you up yeah .

just .

like you i'm done.

You .

seem to be like, like so great .

at surrounding your life with the things that means you know, a great value to your music, acting family. You always seem to be great. Me to like, go is golf. yeah. How do you do that? How do you for people who don't know how to do that, where they're like, i'm i'm in this right like to us, we ball on the thing that we love to do or things we love to do yeah. How did you learn how to gravitate towards the good versus the bad, the things that are good for the things .

that feel your soul is the tension. This is a question. This is an interview. Well, this is somebody who knows how to shape question. Okay, sorry, done.

I love .

the patch the day. I honestly .

have .

to .

attribute .

a lot of, I have attribute a lot of IT to um my upbringing was very fortunate to have and people get to IT however they get to IT you know I was very fortunate to have really solid you know really sort of you know cory traditional picket fence three you know that three point five kids and a dog in the whole thing. I really was able to grow like that with parents that never dies aded me from going after what I wanted to go after. That's great.

I think he was, you know, really fortunate that my mom was sort of frustrated, frustrated thing or so. And I wanted to be an active shoes. Like, yes, yes. So after that.

have an have an old sibling that knocked the crap. I when you get too big.

yes, she's she's a girl so I like took advantage of the different. But you know, I had, I was stronger than her, and then we moved into weapons and like a sheep, vel the playing field. Chill out.

But just really closed my family. And it's something I think I just wanted to replicate in my life. And really lucky that, you know, I have friends from when I was in elementary school, still in from charge.

The people that i'm close who are still are still in my life. And I think we all know people who have gotten to a certain place and have looked around and they don't know anybody that no one that around them has been around them for five years. And you go that person is probably going to have some problems. So yeah, you need people who will laugh at you and say you're not important.

Chill out. No, I don't keep those people round because because .

people can breathe the air up here.

One of those people we were talking about, well.

here is so thin up here. So it's so verified that I can bear, i'm i'm hinting a mass of these two. good. Oh my god, we're going on a red. We're going .

somewhere where we're going. No.

it's so import. I love that IT IT is a measure of somebody, by the way, how many old friends they have from back in the day. And I think i'm with you on that. I think it's really great. I got a lot of my old yeah .

bodies too uh now done. I've got a question here. You've been a part of so many incredible projects um I want to know if I want to know if any of them felt or smell like turns right the middle of IT and you were shocked at the end of IT that IT turned out so well.

Projects like crash oceans eleven, twelve, thirteen traffic out of site, bookie nights. I mean, yeah, any of marvel stuff did any of them just like a, oh, jesus, what did I do here? I think i've .

had the opposite run like this things gna crush and then IT comes out and like.

yeah, yeah, yeah, ah yeah.

yeah but not so much, right? And we don't know right?

You just go in with, you know your best you you've made the best decision you could you go and through everything into IT and then sometimes IT works out and sometimes IT doesn't. But i've never you know, i've always had i've always believed that the thing i've said yes to has value and it's gonna be good and experiences and then turns into being when it's gonna be. I've been really fortunate to have really, really great experiences.

I've had very few experiences where it's it's a taxi and people are horrible. You know, I just been very, very i've i've the things i've gravitated toward and got me and i've just been very, very fortunate. And I ve had a very blessed reer clearly got a .

nice connection going with Stephen soderberg.

Yeah.

I heard the set of turn. Bel was toxic.

nice. Well.

and so to work, have a great.

a great .

rythm going. Yeah, you see, you see working with him again in the future? Probably, yes, of course. right?

yeah. I mean, we we have stuff back, trying to develop things as we speak.

I love out of sight is such a great fucking and movie .

man isn't good. So underside and overlook .

such a good movie. yeah. Got David IT. Despite clones.

looks is the good, but the works out of work, such a bee started a good guy too. But I mean, like writing and directing and camera Operating and editing. And I just, I would imagine that got to be a an, an easy voice to follow.

considering his are going to you.

No, no, no.

no. I D .

on Spike, he served up big .

a batman fan.

I'm just going to say i'm big Jason batman fan and i'm really I love everything that i'm saying you do and I saw you in a around table talking about, you know, understanding as an actor what you are going to be doing as an editor, annoying when you get into the editing room what you gonna be of the use and not use, and how you can of craft your performance based on that. And I was like, well, fucking smart and such a cheap but .

really it's really fun because he lives as life like an editor too. So he's always talking about .

the yeah timing you well now well, what dance doing here is he's dove tAiling into his accomplishments as a director as well. He has I to yeah he is one, he is gonna head. And he's taken all the incredible set experience he's had and lent that to the directing experience, right? And ever made everybody's life lot easier. When I never do IT again, do you will come on ever and again. shit.

You might, despite every .

doing IT again, come on, you've done at a handful of .

times at least.

And it's really, really is that is that the workload of the pressure or the time commitment or .

what it's it's the pressure honestly is the pressure is I think you know um my agent one time said, you know good actors are just like can be and sometimes need to just be hard sound of bitch. They just have to be able to not necessarily in how they deal with people, but you have to have a the ability to have stuff kind of roll love and be fix skin and not have penetrate and keep moving.

And I think I have more and more like sort of banded about by the things that happened and the things I was unable to get. And I just and and it's something that I learned about myself going through that experience and O M, A lot more post in that regard. And I thought I and .

actually you can ignore a lot of drama or problems or communications of the production. You just can sit your trailer and someone else figured out the director, you get hide .

for anything.

None of IT. Yeah.

we'll be right back .

and back to the show turn.

You make a very good point though. IT is true actors. As we know historically, you take a lot to heat people to go like fucker actors, or you hear people, right, like even people you grow up with like what's your life? Like now you're an actor.

You see the have this sort of thing and and I always say they're like, oh yeah, but you're just an actor. Anything like, yeah I I am french with I am an active and friends with tons of actors, some of the most creative, amazing people. And on top of that to what you are saying, they're also IT is a tough road, as you know, from when you're Younger to start to do the things that you want to do.

And you have to you do put up with a ton of disappointment. You get kicked in the nds on a daily basis. Know my own experience, I lived in your for ten years and was trying to get fucking work and just got kit in the large and the as I go down to winning in pain from getting kicked in the nuts, I get kicked in the face. You know, like actions are using, like the shows that here's the pent you're fired and then the next day the shows fucking gone and you're like, fuck, I didn't need those two kid.

Yeah yeah.

Right, by the way. And it's not once a year is like a two, three times a week.

four years things are going well for you because two or three, those two or three rejections each week mean you got to three editions that c which is .

really good yeah and i'm not to feel sorry for you, but but IT is right on IT. It's a tough. You have to have a little bit know you show your metal .

a little bit well for me. I really could. I'd sound like an idiot earn, you know, complaining about anything about my acting career because, again, I was super, super fortunate.

I've never done anything but this to support myself. I, you know, got my first job when I was still in college and know my junior, I got a gig. Oh, I did get fired from a job that was actually the first job.

I I got an eight and t commercial where a kid was supposed to be on the phone and sort of trying to dodge the questions that his mom was asking because he was not doing so well. He goes, how your grades and he was like, my grades, I can hear this connection is bad, is like, now I can hear you great. He was A T and t you know, you fake the function.

So was running on my, I was going on the door to do this addition in the phone ring in the hallway, and I just kind of knew I was for me. I picked IT up and was my agent. SHE goes down.

Bad moves. They're not they're not going to usual on the spot like why why he was. They don't want to portray a black kid is fAiling out of college. I was like, so they are going to give a White kid my job.

Wow, yeah, the irony of that, yeah.

that's what's gonna happen so that I actually did get fired from a job I got. That was the first one. But yeah, but for me, the acting thing has been, i'd, like I said, have been very blessed, very fortunate, but they are directing part of IT yeah it's it's really just it's it's been these particular experiences I i've had not when i've directed my shelf that's a little bit more of A A comfort zone, little bit more support.

I've had a little bit more resources and people to rely on, but you know I made we made music, have eight point five million dollars yeah in the town that you know only done one other movie before that where we would show up and there was like no redundancy in the departments. You know we'd have two cameras and only one camera. And I like, where fill that took a commercial coming in one day and I was like, where's that? We had her in the scene.

She's like, yeah, SHE didn't want to come to and like, but we think she's in the scene. Like, yeah, he doesn't want to come. So like, put this woman in address, turned back to the camera. Like every day something like thing.

the problems .

that didn't make sense, like the fire alarm going off and then the fire, the actual fire in coming and coming while shooting the seen. And so, okay, OK will shoot this. M O S. And just my modest will do IT in post. I get, you know, just every day I was something like that. Yeah, my wife came out to see me and he said, you can't do this anymore, you know yeah, but I have a lot of scar issue so maybe if I get you know some sort of procedure where I can scraped that off and try .

from the other scars. I'm a question just about you're acting style and and approach because when I first saw oceans eleven and which you were brilliant and i'm not making this up like half to the movie because of your accent, I was like, oh, what is that? Is that done cheetal like you didn't do anything to your parents.

You just changed your kind of way. I don't know how to describe IT and it's amazing what an act, just an accent can do. How did you find the the trust to do that? Why that character like that? And how do you do that like with in any a character?

IT was written like that and I was going to change IT in. My manager at that point said, aren't black british people has like H I mean, yeah, so one you just do IT as written and I like.

so was .

written right. And so well, i'm in my trailer with you, a vocal coach, speech coach going over like diff songs and ah chavez and stuff they are at playing basketball like washing them all and this words show up and .

stand up real quick. He's sharing a deep thunk stand up a quick.

Oh, that's a nice, that's a nice of them. But I was famously murdered. You know, people, I people are split right in the middle that the people that hate, that hate IT when I was in london, almost had to get security because people wanted to kill me exam.

how d why .

they hated IT and me. People literally drove to see me and come across four lines of traffic to pull up next me to scream at me about how bad the accident was.

Oh my god, I totally bought IT. I ought safe to .

say you will never knew and do another action again.

Yeah doing .

an accent. I think that would be very, very tough for me because you got got you acting twice.

right? You got to do performance any you .

make the page. I we're going .

to say that no.

i'm just going to say and some of them you know fit Better than others that I have attempted to take on, you know. But they're all like you said, it's all tRicky like you kind of acting through a mask and you're trying to make that mask be is is real and as fossil as you can, as tRicky right .

now the all of these incredibly high profile films, which one do you think gave you the the most useful bouts? Was the devil in the blue dress?

Yeah, I would I would I would guess Steven in a blue dress was probably I was on picket fences. Yeah, for a couple years before that. No, I was twelve on the color sheet and you guys know what that is.

I'm sitting in the trader all day. You guys we're kind of to you. We're going to unix.

Oh, no, we're not going to use you today. And you've been in the trail for twelve hours. So I started writing.

That's when I started writing. And just as survival, right? Just not go crazy.

But then along comes this film with denzel washington. And IT was a did did you did you leave that project with with any person of wisdom from mister washington?

I mean, IT was an incredible experience. IT was directed by car Franklin, who, uh, I did his AI thesis project is his graduation project, so I had known him from before. So that was really old home and felt grade and denzel and I from the addition on which is online, actually, our edition is not line.

Yeah and so is that pilot that I mentioned. By the way, every people find shit and upload everything. But we just had a great time.

And of course, I was just in of him and, you know, worked as hard as i've ever worked on anything to make sure I was in the pocket. You know, when I was with him, I didn't come out. I was super mity of nights break character.

I was mouse all the time. You know, I just stayed in IT. And yeah, I yeah, I had a great experience. I love that movie .

and I love that problem. Would you like if you had, if you had say at the same with that, you know, your day all now to, uh to to to a Young actor if you were to do a film with that, what would you say to a Young actor today that you wish you had known back when you were just starting out? Anything .

fucking like.

do you have stage me or shadow me?

Recking there me, but we do have a .

tendency to overcomplicate things right and and things get more simplistic as we get older. You know, I wondered, aside from just that generality, what there anything specific i'm trying to think myself what I would tell somebody. You know.

I probably step away from my bmw.

Which of you be N W uses?

Yeah, that's a great.

I just think that you know like we I think people underestimate you know to what will was saying earlier is what what we really do. I think people think it's super, super easy and and they try and like so we are actually trying to be very natural. Alister insight, a completely unnatural environment standing your line.

So making noise of know Walker talk is going off, and you ve got to act like this is the first time you've ever done or said any of these things. And I think that you only do that well if you really prepared and you really on your homework and you're not here just because you think it's going to be cool to cut line at a restaurant. You know, it's like this is this is this is really i'm not we're not rocket scientists and we're not, you know, jump in at airplanes, whatever the harsh there is, they do play.

That's what we play the ship up and we learn about them. That's another thing. Good actors are students.

So we're always in the lab, right? We're always trying to, if I play a doctor, i'm gonna read up on doctors. I'm gonna follow doctors.

I'm gonna to hospital. I'm going to try to sit next time i'm planning a cup. Women do a right along, i'm gonna. So I feel like that part of IT often gets overlook that we're always in school, you know, we're always trying to learn new things. So I think that's a great boom for this artist that we're always expanding ourselves.

Yeah now Shawn doesn't want you to get away without you know searching your memory for a really a tough theater story you know for in your lines or trying .

to be A G fell from and I later in the first row in the woman's lap and he said, you think you're drunk. Way to low tool comes out. Or like china, I you .

were at that performs you there, but I said, we tell my tool .

comes out.

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double, get double games strikes again. Is that usual? This is very ying. Yeah, it's horrible.

Here we go.

It's so .

well.

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toller is some taller.

is like Jimmy summer ville .

from bronze. Y, B was put in the back of a van and driven to to be root and forced to make a middle .

dance around .

to some women. They route, I was the name of the album.

oh, shot.

Yeah, the jersey, by the way, jersey regular basis .

music videos.

Yes.

yeah, that's what that a similar past. But yeah, do you have any like, tragic, horrible theater gone wrong?

My tragic, the most tragic thing, other than a real injury that I suffer during a play, the same play, by the way, we were doing simple ling at the public that h join ecology s directed who, you know experimental director from mable minds of people want to go back and look at all that stuff. She's great. Um but we had an actor step on novel who played the doctor in this play and you know it's a you know kind of as a theoretical shakespeare fifth at wrap up where one character knows everything that happened in a play like your his niece and he actually has the portion and this king knew him as a set like they unwrapped the whole thing all and going, oh that's how I that so he had this last you know speech idea to give stephon was, I think ninety eight at the time oh oh so IT comes time for him to wrap this up and .

he goes up forts line.

yeah forgoes this line for and he starts stammers ing in making up words and and and basically just sort of like trouble, you know, standing in place in tearing and no one you can't give somebody of in shakespeare, you know, it's not not doing something naturalist, you can come up with some you could try to come up with some iambic pantai a and like slip on there to help him along the way.

But IT went on so long that first the audit sort of left and then realized it's not a bit and not laugh. And then the other half of the audience left, and then half the auto shows that part of the audience left, and the actors on stage kind of was starting to laugh. You know, those two that would start to laugh and never and never stops loving.

and he's still kind of all IT off.

doesn't want to pull that off. This went on for probably two minutes. You know how long two minutes is? Yeah, yeah. You get mean, you guys died for two minutes for sure. Collectively on this .

feels like a long time.

long time in finance.

It's not john Q Z who .

was the lead and IT replyed simply just finally just started saying as line and so you just couldn't take IT anymore and and kind of read up and got through IT and they got off stage and he said, I wanted kill myself yeah, I have to quit. I have never .

like there's no point yeah .

you can be debt and I guess what Jones to try to like to the lord yeah .

that's the well, fuck going up.

going up and you dial .

like that I just need the .

idea is no right .

but now done .

you're like one of the sweetest people ever what pieces you off because I can the few times I met you, even today, you're always just bury in the middle. Very cool, calm, collected. Give me is there me some grame everyone that .

give me program? Yeah ah but he is .

not happy when he blades a bunker shot, right? You hit the ball right in the belly coming out of the sands.

Rapid is just daily, I think, like stupidity, without any desire to not be stupid pieces me up. I don't mind if you're stupid people can be study. But when there are like in curious and don't want actually look under the stupidity and see where that that kind of me and you know as we can see, it's incredibly dangerous. And yes, where we're in a sweet spot of stupidity right now for a .

lot of people and that extend across all sort of areas that sort stupidity, like whether it's history or language or just geography, even basic geography of states and cities within the country that we live.

And .

hey.

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I just.

Trying .

to use .

ignorant? No.

that's true. Anybody can be ignorant. Thank you, Jason.

So done, done. Honestly, you've been a dream. You're just an, you're such a cooky.

We ve never hung out. We threatened. Once I was on A, I was good joy. Russia wanted me to get in into a football fantasy league and I said, no and joe said, will just stay in the chat and talk shit even though you don't anna play and .

I did for .

about six months. Yeah.

there he was, bro. And yeah, was fun. IT was not like this.

just like part shots from the side. You will.

you know, well.

you and down to go and place some golf. All I know my golf haus and and then we dies in the .

end of I.

because he's working. He shot, he shot an even power .

seventy. But cool cares really is not a big deal. But listen, thank you for joining us today. done.

You make me pledge when you come back that you, I will play. Can we do that? Can we say that .

will happen one hundred cent?

Okay, great. absolutely.

Do you play? This is the .

day I can drive the car.

He loves to drive the car .

is and we get a sota. We get to make a float like a rupee float.

No, next time.

sometimes it's really, really, but it's a gar.

And by .

the .

seventy little, it's good.

Just take IT off. We got to go.

Have totally me.

Love you done. Thank you for saying yes. Love you. Enjoy the rest of day down there in atlantic and say hi to our friend mister hard place.

Well, thanks guys.

Great thing you.

Thank you done. yeah.

I love dances .

and so good be what great not your shoulder .

just drop when you .

talk in the him.

yes, mega talent. He falls into that category.

mega talent and univerSally love.

And ah we say this all the time IT seems like the people who work all the time also have wonderful personalities.

Yeah agree what I mean you know you're you're directed is big part of your ucayali and your life. And when you're deciding between you, you have a lot of options to to do stuff with a lot of different people. And part of the calculus, I imagine, is who do I want to spend the .

next four months with IT is and it's it's before even start to get excited about the idea of them coming on and that's cast or crew. I'll do I do zoos with people that I may not even see on the set and I just need to know that they're not going to um you racket with the not being nice people here. But he um he's amazing um and and I I could have just gone on forever and ever. We didn't get that much of anything, which is uh, what we do on the show. Um sorry.

get a lot of complaints about that. I think from some people who say you guys, you just and what they forget is like we're just so excited to see done. And so I like done. So we just .

start talking ourn's st talk a little bit and can't believe anyone's listening yeah if .

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