"Rashida Jones"
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So welcome to smartness everybody. Um I hope you have a full charge on your ipod. Do people still use I I think so.

I. Think what is.

is boomer.

what ages are? bombers? Nineteen forty .

six to sixty four? I just looked IT up today.

truly. Well, wow.

What's the year? Us.

what .

the ages of .

H X is like? Nineteen.

sorry, we keep you up.

You N T. We all right .

now worth cold opening .

the ship out of.

Oh yes, well, yes. Well, well.

today's wall's guest.

Yeah you feeling .

about your guest today?

Well, i'm very good about my good yeah. Well because I mean, I don't want to get to quickly but because it's so many that we all know.

So you d think I would have a preferences to either your guests or Shawn guests by now. Like who ends up hosting Better guests? Um do you guys have a preference? Like I think it's pretty random, right? Like who allowed .

them to bring people on that that we all .

know yeah and sometimes it's it's a lot times of people none of us know and sometimes we sometimes you and sometimes he's right in the metal and sometimes but like and sometimes we reach out to guess and then sometimes guess reach out to us and it's it's just it's a great blend, you guys, I should listen to me. great.

Jason IT was good to see you last night. We all had dinner last night, and we on't seen you so long. Yeah, no, I was so nice to see you. And the dinner was super fun and everybody was funny. I laughed real hard last night and then I told you .

I real sweet on that tig guitar.

She's great.

So funny.

Love her. So um I told well, this couple weeks ago, Jason, I finally saw the grandfather .

boy yeah he said to me the other day I was, hey, was a good I got, you know, we watch, we watched the good first night, really good and I said, did you think everybody was lying?

And then I just watched that part two like two days ago.

three now they say that part two is Better than the first. I don't remember feeling .

either .

way yeah different. The excEllent .

part cell. I had a pause every time, and there some .

characters never to watch a movie with you. And then number three gets a bad rap. But I don't remember like watching number three and going this terrible.

a bad rap at the and they look, I just .

found I just had a couple. I went back in and recut IT recently like in the last five years. Yeah, that's true.

Three and half.

no, anyway, check IT out if .

you haven't seen.

haven't in the brothers .

smart hot takes on time. Jason y you know, I was, I was really blues brothers is a really good movie.

The nineteen .

eighty film.

there's so I was said was a bond that was humming like the flash dance song the other day I got. You never seen IT you such a loser. I really .

am this man .

who is in that a .

shot, panting, Chris, walking.

Oh yeah. I want to see that. yeah. Let's see that stands.

You didn't. No, no.

That surprised. What about ghost?

I love ghost.

So i'm surprised .

you haven't seen fleshed .

and I know me too because .

I don't cause you like .

this thing and you .

flash you enough .

for the fucking and reaches catholic .

tl talking about this, the fun part and so is the best part .

I feel bad for, I guess.

Life to they're probably you know sending emails and text and stuff.

And you think you guess .

this is is sending emails and put this guess is a great segway. Our guests is a very, very busy person. Yeah because in addition to being a very thought after acres, she's also a very sought after writer .

and producer .

really yeah he has written in produced imminent invoke ff. She's produced in written big, huge animated films like I don't know, very sorry for .

you know .

he 是 she's acted in and she's written a new series that she's got coming out。 Her new series is called that he has called .

Sunny and I was fun I ever heard no.

because i'm the right down.

No.

because i'm trying to disguise who IT is. Okay, because as soon as I say what you know where from, you're going to know who is because you know really well because you know also very well from things like the office and parks and rec and boston public. No, it's for A.

Did you know you're coming up when I saw you last week.

two weeks ago? I did, and I don't listen to your shows, so I didn't know the surprise. I'm really glad and say anything.

It's happened so many times. I don't even know why we continue the whole street. really. Yeah, look at some headphones. She's got some .

real headphones.

D, J, B, L.

no, this is is like his.

Really.

yeah, it's J B L, but it's like his. It's like the q OK.

I do some persons experience if you .

want to send some of those our way. My sister, my sir, trace your dad.

N Y, please continue. If you listener.

I heard about that.

I that we references Tracy because catch .

all for those lesson formed. But there's no shot to Tracy herself.

She's just very.

just bright, sharp. She's .

representing the .

people she's to welcome .

where we finding you in this great .

booth of you. I'm in my husband's, the .

study musician. He has a radio show.

not a podcast of radio show. Oh.

but also way, James, do you, do you honestly not know who her husband is? I, I.

I do you know how I know? I, I barely know what day IT is. I've embarrassed myself hourly. You're kidding on my kids life.

I have no idea who her husband ezra is. Singer sung rider extra, if you a bank of vampire weekend?

No, I met him, didn't .

give bio.

I didn't lead with that is like people .

could come up the go. You and what? You and you, by the way.

I still, to this day, I assume nobody knows who I am. Nobody knows what I people look at me funny and i'm like, yeah, I know. I look, you went to school with .

you at this point really common.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, you know why? Because I spent so many years, assuming everybody knew who I was, had a very uncomfortable adjustment, because I will ever make that mistake again.

You're just instatement right.

I get that was today just .

a baby in a big friend. Tell me what you're .

doing like today and what's going on? You know how much I love you.

I love you. I am one. Am I doing today? this?

I'm doing this. I I know. What am I doing today? I am like prepping for the summer.

How .

does .

one prep .

for the no.

just like packing a tending booth? Of course, just a lot of well, i'm doing some press for .

the .

show that will mention Sunny. I didn't write IT in but but you .

produce IT and you produce IT, which is a really cool the premises your character move to japan lives in japan and her husband dies missing .

but they're on a plan, crash or missing.

Yeah and the company sends his company sends you a new personal robot.

Yes, in the future. Yeah.

it's in the future. I had three call backs for that robot, did you?

Yeah they said, know they said, you know the note two robotic.

robotic. S, U, A, I, T, IT up for you will waiting. I know that you wrote yourself something that you back puts you in japan a little bit.

I didn't write IT, you guys, let's be shared. And right? I produced IT, but yes, I put myself in japan.

Yes, I lived in IT .

was really great. I was .

really great. And I had been.

it's the best. I had been there like three or four times for a couple weeks, but I was there for six months.

Wo wow, kyoto, tokyo or soccer .

o and tokyo we found in both. Yeah wa.

so do you have? Do you have? Because I hear if you go over there, you got to have IT wired. Like it's it's a place you need the like I have a shaped one, or like very good notes or tips. You can get lost there.

Yeah, you can't even getting lost is fun there. IT doesn't really matter. There's no bad version of IT. But yes, I was like died in because I had like the most amazing pa and like people who really knew the cities. And so like I just went to the best, coolest restaurants, gardens, ten balls on and yeah so.

you know, I loved silo so much. I told you when I saw you and I was like, oh my god, he is in the show that I heard so much about that I love so much and then you have died in the first fuck pod.

how I do IT.

that's how I do IT. I was like, a way. Did that tell you out?

No, that's why I took .

the job OK. It's it's fun .

to it's fun to make people like you and then die yeah.

if you guys yo.

it's so good, James.

Dude, it's not even eleven .

by went not too soon with .

no bucking way that he was when he died twenty .

three yeah .

an amazing that he was never .

older than twenty three and I was looked in my he was like, you know, like that's a man .

I just watched the giant .

with him and rose .

and less Taylor Tracy.

it's just .

giant .

yeah .

I was that was that hey.

what's a great movie when you guess you that .

and nothing's really gone, nothing leaves nothing. I mean.

is a fire, but you yeah .

I know IT was really long, but IT was good. I didn't know was based on dallas, was based on IT the shows. Dallas was based on giant oh yes, let's get yeah James thing. I think there's just one of his last .

movie or his last movie.

Wait to see .

you hang .

to say to hear, by the .

way, the red IT thing that the deal was based on.

no, the guy's name is J R. I mean, his initials are jr in chinese and oil king and baba ba ba.

Yeah.

you're sure one hundred percent positive.

O that's okay. Well, and then what nuts landing .

was based .

on love of Scotty, just slit in on a rolling stool, well fed on.

just for what it's worth, a place in the sun with monkey clifted s an amazing movie .

for your guest.

Yeah, yeah. Would you back off? Come so shit, go eat something for fuck, and then come back. Problem chasing .

poll of a sure. Last night I saw .

ABS at crazy apps, really.

but not by choice, just from diet.

Just no .

sugar. There's no sugar.

daring food, no .

dinner.

No.

no, no.

that's what you it's unintentional, but it's wow.

Are you hungry all the time? Are you hungry and ground the no.

you get you, you get passed to, you just got, you know, you you got a race, get to sleep. You got to get to bed .

and he thinks it's .

plan finites.

It's mental illness.

People have different worries for different things. no.

So wait. So rina, I wanted touch you a little bit about so your experience, everyone knows you from the office and from parson reck. And then and but every new us is actress, and you are kind of working in comedy in TV.

And then you started you and I want to say that you I don't know how long you knew will mccoy for, but you guys teamed ed up. You started writing and you just started writing all your own stuff like you kind made the shift at a certain point. Was that like a conscious decision? You're like, i've always one of these ideas and i'm sick of doing other people stuff.

I yeah I I always wanted to be a writer, but I didn't feel like I was good enough or annoyed to be that kind of person. I think probably could like went to school a lot of people who ended up writing for a television hard and they .

were all like in the lampoon .

and they were like funny and and the the guys who were going to get the jobs and stuff. So I never felt like that. So I didn't feel worthy like pursuing that. And then a strike happened.

Did you know sure? Did you know make .

sure at harvard?

Yeah, we met freshman year, did play together freshman year called love sex in the irs.

Love sex open with us .

making up.

Was he? Was he acting?

Yeah, how was IT?

Yeah, funny.

I bet is great.

Yeah.

he funny is great.

Make sure for tracing.

Make sure. Uh, started, uh, sl and he was headed red weekend update and then he went to the office and then he went with great Daniel. They created parson read and then he went on to do brooklin nine nine and the good place in times of other a litter. And you guys have a long relationship. I feel like, yes, I kind of know sure through us, but also kind of through you because you guys .

with friends yeah since we are eighteen yeah.

amazing.

We wrote a paper together in college. By the way, how stupid is that? Convinced our teacher that we should write a paper together. The class, the war in court, what is that .

about the .

one commission .

about the, about the supreme court justice Warren?

Wow, i'd love, i'd love .

to be your 上去 的 风。

And we will be right back.

And now back to the show.

Now, wait, so you .

get me back to the writing part of IT. Did you what what gave you kind of the fuel to like say, well, you know what, maybe I can or maybe I should. Was IT did IT come from just getting more more proud of you're writing? Or were you reading more and more things that we're not great, that we're getting produced and you're like, I can do at least that .

I think IT was that I think you just read so much when you're auditioning and even if you're not getting jobs, you just see the kind of a landscape of what people writing. And obviously, there was good, good stuff. But I was kind of inspired by that moment in time that like the the peak jt APP atal, we're like all those dudes were just like just writing themselves, you know.

And I thought I could at least do that right, even if it's not as good or as funny, I could find some audience. And I also had this feeling that like I nobody would ever cast me as a certain kind of thing. And if i'm going to be, if i'm going to get that part, I probably have to write IT for myself.

You know, it's funny when I was living in chicago to watch certain channels that no longer exits. And on those channels were shows that no longer exists and they weren't really great. And I was Young and I was like, if I I know I can be at least that bad, like if that's all that's required, there's got to be some job for me somewhere. You that's not they're not fantastic. Anyway, i'm not I wasn't .

saying that about no, I am not saying that about but but you know, at me like I saw the entire spectrum and I thought there's somewhere I can land. And of course, I had love dee dreams because I grew up on jim Brooks and nor efron, and those were the kinds of life I wanted to be in, and I wanted to write. So and I think how we feel at holding each other, other's hands through the process, like we literally SAT sides and road or first scrip together. And I feel like that.

How did that relationship start? How did how you .

guys we were set up? We were set up by his sister mary mccoy.

You must know in .

love yeah best. yes. I did a movie in the nineties, indie movie with mary.

And I was obsessed with SHE was like the call this funding as purchase ever made SHE was you should go with my brother. He is, you guys are salmagundi e's not wrong. IT didn't work out.

We did date for three weeks. IT didn't work out. He kind of is my like works only. You know, we still work together so you guys.

so you still work together yeah.

we produce and we write.

I love, well, is such a good dude areas. So we go start so you guys kind of have this, you realize you date, but it's not working up, but you realized that there is something else there on another maybe potentially even deeper level. Yes, created, you connect on.

And what was the first thing that you guys like? Hey, we need to write this. Like, how did that happen?

We started writing. So where now we started writing a show in new york, but I know we were just drunk. It's not even more mentioning. The only thing we completed was the lesson. Jessie forever was the first movie that we complete to in its entirety.

And when out with did you get we attempted to write about your .

relationship and how what we do IT kind was that a little bit of IT was like an a malem of the first kind of love that we had our own separate love, plus our dynamic is like a kind of somewhere in middle of romantic and best friends. Chip, yes, 嗯嗯。

you just made me think of of start to bounce around one of my favorite movies of social network. Was there any your your participation in that? And having gone to harvard, was there any did? Was anything happening? What you were? You were there at that time?

No, bro, no, i'm old. No.

so he was after you.

like two thousand and four.

We had we had the facebook, which was the freshman facebook yeah which is what the name is based on. And so you get to score and you'd have everybody would pick their head shots, you know.

like a year book.

yeah like a year book. But but you you submit your picture.

Yeah, no .

digit or hard cop.

hard copy digital. We had had to either net my senior year there was internet.

right? Ah what about the right? You Younger me.

I am Younger than you.

Come on, I .

know how old .

are you?

S ww, you're .

fifty five.

that's amazing. So some great in my beer.

You somewhere under that beer, you do look great. Just a lot of beer, but I see .

i'm playing a loser.

So you know.

oh, you are yeah .

in the movie.

the movie real life, my wife and I like role playing. And so this month she's got .

me as a loser this month hey, growing up around so much music, i'm sure there's constantly music in your house, i'm sure. right. Yeah and yeah.

And were you were you ever inspired red to do that? That was your whole family. Like, wait, don't you want to come over here? And do we're doing or plan where plane instruments or singing .

songs we're producing records? I love IT so much, and I kind of like singing for fun. I've written for fun. And I like I sung back up on some albums and things. Yeah, I think back up on the first two marine fibs.

No way.

I think for them life. Yeah.

that's so, so, good way. Can you read music? Can you write music?

I can write. I, my reading is limited, but my dance and musical genius is like, the last thing I want to do is like, dry my hand and that, you know what I love IT like, I have a deep ache for music and I just don't feel like i'm good enough to do IT like i'll never be good enough to do IT.

So again, like going to remind people, like.

you're dad produced filler.

yes, so like that. So remember one time really going over your your dad's house with you in being blow away, going downstairs and seeing, you know you go to summary office guys and you see like think like a record, right? Like a plata record or whatever, like whatever and you go into quite and well, IT is A S A museum and b the frame thing for riller has like forty plata records .

in the frame. awesome.

yes.

That yes. So I was to talk about so let's get to the documentary about your dad.

yeah. What is great thing to do for your for your I mean for your parents just like I don't .

know say so so I mean I was we yeah electron says a great thing to do and to be able to do with your dad but but also like what was do you remember the moment we like how that the sort of the genesis of that, what was the moment?

I'm not gonna take any credit. My dad is so well documented yeah yeah like he had IT. There was a dock series on BBC. There was a documentation about him and the eighties, and I was with jane rose and saul, you, jane, yeah.

the great gene rose.

who's a legend. And SHE worked for my dad years ago, thirty years ago. And SHE said to me, you have to make, you have to make a documentation about your dad.

I was like, how fuck I do? I do don't know, I didn't want to but he was right because the truth is he's so well documented, he's so accomplished that is almost impossible to spend any time storytelling about who is as a plan that to cover so much ground with just what he's like, like contributed to the world and culture. I wanted to do something that felt like a captured his personality, because nothing ever has.

And so that was kind of the goal than our hicks, who I love, by the way, have you, if you've never seen he made a document called keep on, keep on on, which is about Clark Terry, who's my dad, who's my dad's mentor, one player and his last mente, who who is this incredible jazz anis, he's blind just in cofton. Think about their relationship. It's like if you're ready to cry, yeah, that's what you turn on. Oh, like water works.

It's on keeping on.

Keep on keeping on. So hicks, he directed that we met on my first day of filming in montreal and switch era, the jazz festival. I had like a five d cameras, like trying to figure out what to do, how to do IT. And we met that day, and then I asked him to .

go direct CT with me. Yeah, mean, just the exit. So yes, that kind of footage. People, you did, no one seeing, you just walk around the camera in the house and talking your dead. That was really this access IT was just IT just felt so privileged watching him.

Yeah, yeah. I T, I felt intimate and too intimate, in fact, because there's a whole scene where, I mean, he almost died while we were filming. We stopped filming and luckily my brother was like filming a bunch of stuff and the hostile, like show my dog because he was went to die Better coma. And you know, luckily the the conclusion of the story was such that we could put IT in and like the real trying up through that because my dad is a beast and he has cheated death many times, ninety one still crushing IT.

So it's amazing. Yeah no you know was fasten to me watching that was seeing you in the document because you took you like you have to check the documentation around home and watched IT and there's my friend received Jones and i'm watching recited Jones interview her dad whose quinzy Jones and I had this sweet d thing like wait they're related which is a compliment .

because that's really .

you've become you've made such A A world for yourself, a separate from his huge world and you both become hugely successful that IT IT was wild to see wow, that you both and was also .

something they want to get to, which is like it's not easy. I can imagine I can only imagine how uh to and it's not not by any boy's falter design that you have a dad who is larger than life, who is who is like as you said, a musical genius. Everybody knows he's created incredible things he amazing things and to grow up with that, I I can only imagine there's a lot yeah .

and have been heard and to create your .

own thing and to have your own incredible success a real estate to your talent. I hope you recognize .

that yeah have the couch even try and then you nail IT. And now people are like, wait, SHE has a famous dad. You know, it's like to get your own thing.

It's Janet Michael, Janet Jackson and Michael Jackson. I never take .

them in his mother, Janet.

So but like Janet Jackson and ichael Jackson aren't the same family. But when I see them.

I like, I don't think of the other one was not a great .

idea to no.

I mean, we would cut IT, but we want to shame you. So we're going to leave that might open the episode.

Have you seen the godfather? I heard you .

guys talking about that. And we actually did. We watched a recently two, we watch, saw three and great films.

Great films, I don't know anybody knows, but really great films. And three great films, I don't know. I think we watched the edited version, but I watched IT because I like, I hadn't seen IT since. I know Sophia so well and like to sing .

like baby Sophia in that movie. You know what's .

crazy about three you guys about? It's about first cousins in love.

I know. And I just started watching IT.

That's not the central conflict of the movie.

right story.

Well, so you can you mention sophya couples? So you made a film with Sophia. Ah, I want to say five, four, five years ago.

right on the rocks. Yeah twenty, twenty what came out during locked down so yeah, it's sorry.

I don't yes, we all have. I don't know what you mean so you and you right, you made this film on the blocks in twenty twenty with Sophia a and bill mary yeah and you got a lot of great reviews for that performance. I mean, everybody loved IT and I am. Did you know Sophia before? Was that where you guys got got to know each other?

We had met. We had met. I wasn't an act. I was like an out of work actor and acting class in new york. And he came the class to workshop, lost action. And so I played the like main part for a month with her. No way.

Walk me through that that idea. What is that? So SHE works.

work with my acting coach. Greta works a lot with Francis and Sophia. And they do like dream work around, you know, yeah character, character dream work, yeah.

And so he can came to explore and enrich, like the characters in the film. And so I was like, a signed to the lead part of the scouter hanson park. And then, you know, I had to do like dream assignments and common and like, you know, embarrass myself by acting up my dreams.

But IT was grilled very cool, like, I got to play that part in worker Sophia for like a month. I was like, twenty seven or something. Twenty six, two, eight, seven.

wow. W that's japan.

I didn't get the part, but that's fine. Didn't an audition.

So but you can get the part, but but you got to have a sort of a really intense working relationship sevan. You guys stayed together. We're like we got to do something at some point. That's the kind of vibor.

I mean, obviously, I would have done, if anything, for, but we we stay fence over the girls and then I shot, we did SHE said SHE directed a calvin cline underwear commercial that I was then and then. And then he did this bome Christmas special for netflix. And we had a little scene in that. And and he was like, there is like a something happening here, like this is like a good dynamic. And I think he got the idea sorted from that scene we had together.

nice. And what was that? Like working, working with billion. And people know.

I know.

I mean, you know, you don't really talk to many people that work with them know you know, there is as loose ve as .

he is yeah that you also, by the way, about that that's true.

We have we when we were doing that workshop, Sophia was trying to customer. He had A A dedicated assistant who SAT outside our rehearsals with a phone, waiting for him to call back. Okay, I got.

So yea, relations film with them.

it's up. But SHE still had that. That.

no, no, no. That was for loss in transition. That was four.

Yes, that was originally when I met her and we were working on that SHE. He had not cast him. He was still according him. And you know, he's like lock next .

because the story goes like you .

can only reach the or that .

he like a toll free .

number for something for one.

remember but he .

really is like, he did a gas pot. I had a show called, and I trabecular a yes, and he did a gas butt and he called me and I book his stick. He was like, I want to leave at nine way on wednesday. I like, okay.

that he had .

blue yeah that .

yeah and is he just about .

his chill and sort of don't sweat the small stuff as he seems?

He's pretty great. I mean, he is extremely chaos. Matic, you know, he's like and he's also what I didn't really know. I'd worked with them I couple times before, but doing a whole movie with him like he's so he's so good.

He's so good, i'm not saying anything you don't know, but such a good actor and he's so he's so present and he still works hard as an actor. You know he's not checked out. He could be checked out because he's like just his talent, you know undeniable but he's like he works hard, hard.

Like a lot of big meat monologues in that movie where he would talk about like biology, evolutionary biology and the nature of man and women. And like he was a lot. He had to heat to run down some serious series and he was like, fully .

committed .

love.

Not not enough.

not enough wall. Are you thinking .

about the next guess?

Bm will be right .

back.

All right, back to the show.

Right, so let's switch gears always. Now you find yourself in with the game over at pigs are right, crew.

The pigs are crew.

The big are they approach you in A O bra. We wanted to come in here and start mixing up on the toy story banana, how that go down. I mean, this is, I love these toy story movies. I love pixar moves so much. Yeah, you.

Yeah, me too. And I was, yeah, I was on parks. And you know, they have really kind of cool development where every, you know their their development people, their casting people, they watch in films like that's how they get their ideas.

You know, the guide had some friends who'd written into movies who'd written there. And we went screen less and Jessie forever. And then we got a call to meet on a project all very, very undrugged.

You know, like they have to keep everything really. And we went, met and we got the job. And so I went to, sure, and I was like, listen, I love you.

I love the show. Want to be here. But I got a job. It's a pixar.

I have to move to the bay area and like I but I need your blessing, you know and he was like, he's the great as he's the best boss. africa. He let everybody do everything they wanted to do while we were doing that.

Show me Chris prat, they like filmed in london. So prat could do the marvel, the first marvel movie he did. He just wanted everybody to be like the best version of themselves.

So he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You to go, how long you how long you live in the barrier to do that?

I live there two years. Wow, no.

And you had to live there while you are writing IT because the process is so sort of collaboration and back and forth, it's .

collaborative, it's iterative. You you're rewriting a script three weeks IT is not A W G A job. I'll just say that you know like you're and you're working with the story artists and their sort of writing within their the way that they know drugs changes the story and and you have to change the script to fit the sequences.

They've you one of the greatest documentaries .

i've ever seen as the pixar story yeah .

they sit down and show that you on your first day there first. And yes, and I did university that little moving and so went up there too and and the whole facility is the coolest .

like I just playing ping .

time and walk around.

So good.

One thing I love about picture .

so .

good that I did do, it's not a big deal. Yes, with bread bird.

with brad bird, who cares? Good movie.

You play that you, you create that great, big, huge to right .

german f so .

good me.

a nice coffee table .

book .

every Christmas. They do. Yes.

I think about just different projects each each year.

Just finally, from every from your .

friends are very nice.

I appreciate .

a lot of coffee .

table out of coffee. okay?

You in jen both grew up in the valley. Did you ever run in each other? Have you know each other or no, each other .

you don't .

remember? I, I.

I definitely .

we've cross pads.

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There's no, there's no raw stories. There's no raw story. I just remember like seeing you around and like you were cute all my friends like you I just feel like there .

there's so much crosser eighties valley yeah but like where we no cause you were driving .

when I was like .

twelve yes, I but I feel like there was .

like like i'm trying to think of the eighties parties, eighteen clubs well, sure like a sounds like you didn't see each .

other that's well.

I was not remembering .

a lot back. Go back to flippers and peanuts.

Yeah, flippers is a roller skating place where flippers is now the cvs on the corner of, and you .

still go there.

IT was like a studio, fifty four roller states.

but happening. And then there there is a big club where the beverly center is right now.

Oh yes, osi wasn't IT, I think yes.

Rocks berry, though that was a spot. And and then above the rocks, sea on the rocks, big. Yeah, IT was good time. So i'd do .

remember things.

but did go to high school?

You go or did you go to high?

Great question, kay. Imagine a school bus.

The back of IT has .

a bunch ch of massage tables. So was sage bus, right side bus school. Yes, yeah, yes.

He was .

called heart light. IT was an experiment school.

And I also go.

AManda.

yeah.

ah yeah.

We all go back. Um where did the acting bug come .

from? Mom.

my mom is an actress .

encouraging the great.

the great peg lived.

And yeah, he was encouraging. I was like, my rebellion was like, i'm not doing this hollywood. I'm not doing anything .

you yeah.

I wanted to be a lawyer. I wanted to .

be taken seriously.

I think I wanted to litigate like, I want to to be like, you know, spener Tracy in and here at the wind you know, like I wanted to like argue the case and you .

could do that with with a lot of different kinds, a lot, can you? Yeah but there's no particular law that really interested like environmental .

law or criminal. I probably have been like been A D A. You know.

where do with all of your success already, have you sort of like slow down your dreaming, like you even allow yourself to? Where would you love to see yourself in five, ten, fifteen, twenty years? Is IT more on the writing side, the acting side um like just like harmony just with your like or do your goals move as often as is like mine you and you .

yes yeah that no I I don't know. I am mean of real like maybe you guys can tell tell me because you're tiny, ordered to me. I am having that moment right now. We're unlike, I don't know anything. Yes.

I don't know any Better. And by the way, you can do IT all because you are .

already doing IT all. I don't know my.

yes, you started .

started therapy. This is true. I'm going to get real for second.

And I I don't know anything. This is the most scared bit of my life. Yeah, is right .

now that's good. why?

Because it's really scary. I'm doing like I can't even believe i'm talking about this had heavy therapy this morning and I I can't .

believe that I scary you because you're like feel like admitting that like you might not know as much as you're .

pretending to know that's the yeah yeah.

yeah yeah and and I do think there is something there is something at this moment, there's something sort of like regenerative and i'm sure it's coming for you will like right now you're you're sort of like be setting, which is ably scary. But most people I talk to her fifty just turned fifty, have this thing where they like, who am I? There is like this full rebirth.

who? Who do I want to be for the next fifty years? We're lucky. What is my back half? yeah.

What's actually fulfilling? What is my ego want? Do I need to fulfill my ego? Do I to fulfill a deeper soul? Pb, therapia.

i'm excited.

This is really exciting. I wouldn't be scared.

I would embrace IT like.

embrace the fear of time. But the fear good because .

that's we're all scared. I had, I had, I had to put eyedrops and just so that my eyes were White because I just was like, in IT was rough. I know I had a really rough morning. Well.

I love, I love. Is not a good work else look good for you .

for doing that work because you could just like fly by and you could probably be OK and live in denial for the rest of your life. In the fact, deep right now means you're gona rebuild and be like the best part yourself.

But where the best part is, I told polar so he is like, so glad. And I really mean you're so glad.

She's like.

twenty years .

too late.

Yeah you just laugh .

about IT on the cast you want .

you've had like the this huge first couple chapters of your life and you have the working stuff and you have the adolescence and then the working stuff and the kids stuff, and then to work with kids stuff in bobbi. And you get to this point like, okay, now what right?

And also that's all that stuff that you thought for your entire life was gonna d the gap you're like IT doesn't quite fill that gap. There's still a little peace list missing and what is that piece like? And we're privilege enough to have succeeded in away.

But I think for everybody, they're like way to second. It's just going to be this forever like all the first are gone. It's most of the first I want talk .

about all that shit in my therapy.

But to your point, Jason, like I think everybody here, including me, I want to I wanted not to be over the earnest, but I want to be able to create from like a real source from a dealing of connection. So i'm like i'm taking a little breath to figure out what that actually is and what that looks like and what I want to say because, you know, I don't know and I don't want to just put that out. And also hard to put shit out right now.

But right, first of all, everything you're saying is like so well, sad that's like so sustinet into the point. And I love IT what is the best advice somebody he's giving you to get over what we're all talking about or to not get over IT but to kind of deal with .

IT manage well, like the thing I always go back to, as my my dad says, make decisions based on love and not fear, which sounds so. Plata ude, no, but it's really not like when you think about IT, well, like know you are just saying, like I have often looked at my life and thought, let me just do this thing that I know is the kind of safe way to do IT or let me do this thing that's going to make people love me and because i'm afraid of not being loved as opposed to like really, really loving something and believing in something .

and not about the result.

Well, I realized that I have all these tricks. I've come to sort of realized that, anyway, in last place, that I have a lot of these tricks that I can do that helps me get over things and get by, and I can, and I can get to a place of, okay, and I can kind of put the things back on on track. But, but, but there, there are patterns there. And like, and nothing's ever gonna really change on this. I actually look at IT that's I think.

looking at IT, acknowledging IT. And then I would say my greatest gift is like just continuing to develop my inner life, like something that has IT is not connected to anybody else, creating almost like a little house inside, whether it's meditation or breath, whatever.

IT is nature yeah it's self sufficient and it's not reliant on external a approval gratification anyway.

Anyway, have you seen gunness?

Welcome back to shana. take.

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that you are a real .

sweet .

to give us an hour of your day.

And well.

that's a.

that's a breezy.

It's it's a brazil little stop.

We were just getting into the meat of IT too, right? I know we just started to take another bite.

Well.

no, I don't.

You have that there so much?

I really.

I really, really don't. I can't believe we talked about. I like good.

This is good.

It's great to be vulnerable.

We always .

talk .

about love you.

I ve guys .

so fun.

Thank you for having .

and talking to me. Watch Sunny.

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see you soon. Ah well, really that now that almost your kind of half wife right isn't she's best friends with amy.

Yeah I mean, I ve been I ve spent a lot of time with over the years. We've like a lot of time. We've vacation together many times. We've just I actually went well, not we ask her together to make sure is wedding.

I think what you color .

for short sheet, shed .

sheet, sheet, yes, Jones, Jones, Jones, me.

R ever. Rj.

R, J would be good. R, J is good if you're just, you obsessed with the initial. Ej, yeah, I do like you call you. J, yeah, she's lovely. She's so grounded.

She's so well. She's so smart and funny. I just raise your sharp and has always been and yeah, I always like spending .

time with Bruce .

Jones and but she's grown up in such A A potentially privileged, isolated environment that does not seem that and probably work hard to not very.

very downed earth. You wouldn't if you didn't know that her dad was quinzy Jones, that SHE grown up in hollywood. If you matter, in a coffee shop in kansas city, be like, oh, she's just a somebody from any time on USA yeah and who is just a smart no awesome person but he has no there's no um spoiled to that way really great but at the end there .

I like that we ve got real real about IT. I like talking about stuff you're doing that well that's really great. And I love when Jason asked if when you know we weren't done, if you wanted .

to take another .

by out of .

the meat.

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