"Kristen Stewart"
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Hey, um, I ever told you guys my life story before? Okay, so, Toronto. I don't know if we have... May, 1970. Will, it's weird. Over here, I'm getting the red light for you. Oh, that's enough. They just want to start? Yeah. Welcome to Smart List. Smart. Smart. Smart. Smart.

-Hi, JB. -Hi, you guys. So this is your new relaxed zone. JB's in Brooklyn. This is how I picture it. Now, JB's now in New York for a little-- for a stretch. And I pictured you going there Saturday, and I asked you, 'cause I was like, "I know what you're--" Just hear me out. You get to your spot, you drop your stuff, and then you find the spot on the couch where you're perpendicular to the TV.

That is so true. Yeah, but I already scouted that, though, when I had to pick the apartment. I had to make sure there was an L-type configuration in front of the TV. The rest of the apartment, I don't care about. It doesn't matter. I just need to know I've got a nesting spot. Are you happy with the apartment? I am. Oh, good. I'm very happy. But, you know, it's...

You know, I'm a soft guy. I'm prone to homesickness, you know. It's lonely. You know, I mean, I live with three incredible women and now I'm all alone. But what did I have to sort of buoy my spirits? A pair of brand new slippers waiting for me in the apartment from sweet, sweet Shawnee. Yeah. Is that true, Shawnee? Yes. I got Willie something for his ankles and I got...

Jason? You did. I mean, did you get him some running weights for his ankle? No, he got me that thing to stretch my calves because I've been having my hamstring issues. And I sent you slippers because I know that... But, Shawnee, as I said in the text, you're not supposed to be well-raised. I know I'm not well-raised. But neither of us are. We were kind of raised by wolves. But I think that's probably why, right? Yeah. But isn't it true, though? Because I was thinking about you being alone there, and I was like, isn't it nice to have...

Just something soft like that or whatever it is. I texted you, like, slippers to me make a home. Once you have slippers, then you feel like you're like... Or an L-shaped couch in front of an L-shaped flat. Sean, how come every time you say it's nice to have something soft, you seem to grab onto your belly and you just give it a nice... Oh, the cookie pouch. I couldn't mail my belly. The cookie pouch. I would...

Oh, I miss it. How are you guys doing? What's going on back home? So listen, my thing is, I think I tell, well, Will FaceTimed me and I answered it from the ER, right? Not just that. We had been taught, I had seen him for lunch. Yeah. Okay, we had this lunch meeting with, and JB, you would have been there, but you were traveling. So we had this lunch meeting and,

I don't know, 90 minutes later, I FaceTimed Sean to ask him something and he's on... He's in the back of an ambulance. No, dude, he's on a gurney. He's on a gurney in the hall at Cedars. Angel, what happened? And I go, what the fuck is going on? Yeah, no, I got the AFib thing again and you guys know and they just, I talked about it on the tour. They,

And that's where Jimmy Kimmel gave me the nickname of Paddles. So I texted Jimmy and I said, Paddles is at it again. And I took a picture and I texted it to Jimmy of me in my gown all hooked up to the wires.

And, yeah, I just had AFib. And so they put me out. They zapped my heart. So for the medical Tracys out there, AFib is what? It's just an irregular heartbeat? Yeah, it's atrial fibrillation. So some people are in it all the time and they don't know it. I know when I get it, which is a good thing because then I can go to the ER. Here's the worst part or the best part. Yeah, your heart just raked. Here's the best part. So we're at this lunch. Again, I'm not going to lie.

Business lunch. The guy says, you guys want anything? He's going to bring the check. You guys want a coffee or something? He said, I'll take a coffee. Our buddy Rick is there, Rick K. Rick says, I'll take a coffee too. And Sean says, the guy's walking away, I'll take a milkshake. Oh, God. It's noon, right? You can't have dessert for lunch. It's noon and he goes, just, just,

By the way, just vanilla. Just vanilla. And I said, and I said, and if you've got any paddles, bring them to the table. Oh, no. Oh, my God. I forgot you said that. So 90 minutes later, he's in the hallway at fucking Cedars and on a gurney. And I'm like, oh, fuck. Those gowns are beautiful. If he goes down from this today and I've suggested the paddles, I'm really going to feel badly for a couple weeks.

So you get into the, okay, so you feel the heart is racing. I should get to an emergency room because things might unravel from here. Like it doesn't fix itself. You need to go in there and you literally need to get like a jumpstart to get it off. It's like restarting a car or something. But they put you out, which is great. And of course, I always try to think of something. Oh, by the way, I read the thing. Wait, we'll cut out this air that takes me to find this. This is worth it.

this is great we can have some music we could play some music sorry mystery guests just wait one second got props she's got some no way so i said i said she starts going she starts going because this is what they do every time i've been the doctor in the er this is what she's this is what they do because i've been i've been cardio version right it's called cardio version

And I've had this done to me like 15 times. So she starts gathering the anesthesiologist, two nurses, her, somebody else, I don't know. It was like five or six people there. And they go, they stand around the bed right before the procedure and they have to announce all this stuff. And as she's getting into it, I say, do you mind if I take over? And she goes, sure. I go, okay, everyone, the patient's name is Sean Hayes. Date of birth is 6/26/70. We're treating him today for atrial fibrillation. We're gonna use 10 milligrams of etomidate and we're gonna attempt cardioversion.

Everybody okay? And she goes, she's like, what? Nobody's ever done that. She goes, yeah, now we're ready. So that's how often I've had this done.

Oh, my God. God, you will do anything for applause. So what about... What about... Is... What about maybe buying your own set of paddles? Oh, that's a great idea. I know. I thought about it. Just doing like small... Why don't you turn the garage into an ER? Yeah. Or just a section of it near the washer dryer where maybe Scotty can just kind of bang you back into rhythm. Yeah, they can teach Scotty. Robert. My friend Robert has paddles at his house. Like a whole thing. What? Truly? Wow. Yeah. All right. Well, so...

I'd love to circle back to, and I'm sorry, guests, we're going to get right to you, but, you know, I'd love to get you to stop drinking ice cream for lunch. I know. You know, let's just start to chip away at the problem. How is that going to happen? Dude, he's got the maker at home now. Now he's got the ice cream maker. You forget. It doesn't have anything to do with that. It's because I had a gummy. It's a long conversation. Oh, okay.

Yeah, I don't stumble into AFib. If it was because of the gummies, we'd be talking to JB, he'd be at New York Presbyterian right now. As would the entire country, now that it's all legal and people are enjoying it. But if you're prone to it, like I am, then it's...

Listen, I don't want to mention, I don't want to cut in because we don't have a lot of time because it's going to be air so far away from it. But I, instead of going there, I went to the All-Star game and I coached Connor McDavid and I was the co-captain with Connor McDavid. That's right. Get to Willie's All-Star weekend. I just, it's really quick. I had a hockey nirvana. It was a fucking, it was unbelievable. I finally met Wendell Clark.

for the first time. That was the first time you met him? So Tracy, Wendell Clark is a very, very famous ex-hockey player that Will is such a fan of that your avatar on your texting is... I didn't know who he is. I didn't.

Even Sean knows. He gets golf balls with just the 19 on them because that was Wendell's number. 17. JB last year for my birthday very sweetly got Wendell to make me a video and then sent me some signed stuff and that blew me away. Cameo? Not even a cameo. No, no, no. He got in touch with him and it was very sweet. So anyway, I saw him in an elevator. I said I didn't expect that this was how it was going to happen but I met him in an elevator and it was just unbelievable and I got

I coached... Well, coach, fuck. I just stood there like a dink. They said, what do you want to do, coach? I'm like, who wants to hear from a stupid actor? What are you talking about? I'm just here to... Yeah, were you down in the locker room having to give a rah-rah speech? Yeah, I gave a speech. So I gave a speech. And so what I did was... So who was on your team? Connor McDavid, Leon Dreisaitl. We had David Pasternak from the Bruins. I had Brody Jenner from...

We had fucking Connor Hellebuck, the greatest goalie in the league right now. And for a pregame speech, Peter Laviolette, the Hall of Fame coach, was next to me and I said, "Let me give the speech." And I put together from a different sport all great quotes I strung together from Jurgen Klopp, my guy at Liverpool. And I made a speech about it and it was like-- Literally, it was ridiculous. I think I lost them at the end when I said, "When I first came to Dortmund..." And they're like, "What? Dortmund?"

Anyway, it was fantastic. We had a great time, and I don't want to spend too much time. Did Wendell Clark know who you are? Yeah, he did, actually. I will say that. And his wife saw that I was like, and she nudged him because he didn't see me. And then it was sick. And then I got to say to my dad, we walked down, and I said, and I see Wayne Gretzky, and I said, Wayne, have you ever met my dad? He's like, no. And my dad was like, it was unbelievable. That's crazy that Wayne Gretzky was there. The whole weekend. That's the little guy makes good. He comes back home, and...

It's funny you say that. So the last thing I'll say is, so Abel, you guys know my 13-year-old, he says to me the other night, and he goes, look, I'm going to check and make sure he's doing his homework. And he goes, Dad, I'm really proud of you.

I said, and I go, what do you mean? I go, what are you talking about? We haven't been talking about it. He goes, well, probably the little kid version of you didn't think that you'd ever be there at the All-Star game doing what you did. And he goes, I don't know if it's weird for a son to be proud of his dad, but I'm really proud of you. Dude, that's amazing. And then he came up and he gave me a hug and he kissed me on the head. It was so sweet. Oh, God, you must have fucking fallen apart. He's such a sweet kid. And I did fall apart. You big softy. That's very like...

old soul of him to say. Yeah, very old soul. I'm going to cry too, so I'm going to stop. I love that. Really lucky. Now, they weren't there with you, were they? They couldn't. No, just because of school. It was too many days away from school and they're in middle school and high school and...

But you filled them in. Oh, my God. I FaceTimed Abe from the bench as the game was going on. And I was just like, I can't hear you. Are they hockey fans, Will? Ish. Not as much because they grew up in California. But, yeah. Anyway, we've taken up so much time of our guests. And our guest doesn't deserve to have me ramble on. Pretty awesome. I'll bet you the guest is crying right now. They need a little time to get it together. I don't. I doubt it. But I don't know.

But this person... That's pretty cool, Will. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, it was once in a lifetime, and it was extraordinary. And speaking of extraordinary, you know I love my segues. Yes, beautiful. We're talking extraordinary talent because our guest, she is an absolutely extraordinary artist, actor, filmmaker. She'd been nominated for an Academy Award. She's...

won 22 critics awards. - Jeez, that's it? - Oh, yeah. Golden Globes, all of it. She's the first American ever to be awarded a César award, you know, the French Oscars. - Appreciate the pronunciation on that. - Yeah, thank you. - César, oui, César. - César. - Pour-- - One cigarette. - Clouds of cil-- yup. - Two coffee. - Take one cigarette, I wait, I meet up with my lover.

And she's just been in some of the biggest films of all time. She's been in one of the hugest franchises ever at a very young age and took her through her 20s, I would imagine. I can't believe that she's only, I think, 33. It's hard to imagine because she's done so much extraordinary work. And she's about to start, she's going to be in her new film, which is being released around the time that we're...

Good research. Good for you. I know, I know. I'm sure the studio's thrilled right now as you're reaching for the date. No, I know, but... She's got a great laugh. We know that much. She's dying to appear. I'm literally trying to think. I bet she's got the date. Why don't you introduce her, you numb nut? No, they gave me the date, and I want to get... But the trailers look so amazing. Love Lies Bleeding. It looks so amazing from A24. Anyway, guys, it's Kristen Stewart. Oh, wow! Kristen Stewart! Oh, wow!

Guys. Can you believe this? President Stewart. What are you doing saying yes to this podcast? What a nice person just sitting there. Fire your publicist. I know. Portrait sitting through our torture. I know. I'm so sorry to put you through that. Hi. Hey. Hi. How's it going? My heart is pounding now. I don't know if it's like the initial conversation about your shitty heart, but mine is not like...

Mine's pretty shitty. Well, because listening is interesting. You sit around and listen to the podcast and you forget you have to go on it because it's like fun to listen to you guys. And then you're like, oh no. It's not that great. It only gets great when the guest comes on. Yeah, hello and welcome. Yeah, welcome Kristen Stewart. So nice to meet you. Thank you for doing this. Oh, does she have a coffee drink, Kristen Stewart? Oh, yeah. Oh, what kind of coffee is it? Is it a shake? Is it green? No. No, there's little flowers on this cup.

Oh, they're cute. You know what I was thinking about this? Kristen, walk us through your coffee routine in the morning, if you will, real quick. What's your go-to? I'm so into the start of this. Yeah, don't worry. It's going to be hard hitting at all. It's a bunch of garbage. No, coffee is like only something that I kind of recently...

got into. I never used to have any morning beverages. I just would barrel through and then I realized how fun it was. Oh yeah. A little stimuli. So what do you, so do you, so do you, would you wake up and go immediately downstairs or wherever into the kitchen and make coffee or do you have a gap in what, in what kind of coffee do you make? I am very interested in this process.

So for a while I would like try and make espresso, but I'm not good at it. All of my poles are watery and weird. Yeah. First thing in the morning too, you don't have skills. I'm kind of a bing out of bed. Like I need to be quiet in order to not kind of like infuriate my family. What do you mean? Oh really? Because when you wake up, you're ready to go.

Yeah. Yeah, I can wake up having like a full conversation and be like, oh, hey, what's up? What have you been doing? What have you been thinking about? Oh, wait, you're kidding me. My wife's exactly like that. Christian, I'm like that too. I'm very much like that. I'm not like that. Sean, well, Sean, let's not get into your sleep hygiene. It's a fucking disaster. It's worse than your heart. You got to get out of your bed. You got to go downstairs. You got to get in your car, drive over to where Scotty lives.

I've got the coffee maker that you can program the night before so you wake up and it's already a full pot of coffee. So it's grump and idiot proof. Is it just regular coffee, JB? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I got it, I don't know when, maybe two years ago and I thought about it this morning. I was like, fuck, I'm such a creature of habit. I never deviate no matter where I am. I go downstairs, I turn on the kettle, then I fire up the Nespresso machine

And I make two, a double Nespresso, a little bit of brown sugar. And then I pour in, so I do Americano style. Oh, yeah. I was going to say, what's the kettle for? Yeah. And then, so a little hot water. Just so it looks like country. No, no, no. No, just because, I don't know. Nespresso has made it so easy. I don't know if you've tried Nespresso before.

I mean, instead of trying to make espresso, Nespresso is pretty good. Bear with him, Kristen. He's looking for a free machine. I'm not. I'm not. I don't need it. I got $160. Say Nespresso one more time. You'll get one. I've got $160. No, I'm not. By the way, Clooney owns part of Nespresso, I think. So, like, I'm not going to give Clooney any more dough. But anyway, that is my process. Hi, Chris. Anyway, hi, Kristen Stewart. Let's have a guest talk, huh? I know. I know. Sorry. Kristen, where are you today?

- I'm home. I'm in LA. - Got it. - In Los Angeles? - Yeah. - Did you grow up out in LA?

I did, actually. Yeah, I was born... My first house that I ever lived in was, like, in Topanga, like, at the base of Topanga. No way. On the valley side or the beach side? Valley side, obviously. Oh, really? That's literally... That's right where I grew up. I grew up, like, so, you know, Gary's Market there on a corner of Dumetz and Topanga. Oh, my God, you freak! My house next door! No way! Literally, my backyard, like, my fence overlooked the...

Like, parking lot, and I would always, like, peek through the gate and be like, I'm spying on people. That was my loop with my bike. I lived in a house between Dumetz and Canoga. Or, sorry, between Topanga and Canoga on Dumetz, like, till I was 15, 16. This just sounds like a Tom Petty song. So we're Woodland Hills kids. See, the valley's not that bad. I take great pride, actually, in...

I like being a little scumbag who literally, like, gets high off the smell of a 7-Eleven. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was an old van store. I just saw JB's face, Kristen. You just made him so happy because he used to tell stories about being in Woodland Hills with his skateboard on the bus. Right, JB? Yeah, and I live in the 7-Eleven store. I learned how to play Pac-Man, Asteroids, everything in there. I love that. I just live in there all day long. Little hostess...

You know, cakes. Oh my God, cakes. What was it like growing up, Chris? Like, was it, were you, like Jay, did you have a skateboard? Did you play video games? What was, did you have siblings? All of those things. Yeah. All three of them, yeah. I would sit outside of my brother's room and watch him play video games until he would like let me enter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? Did you go to school out there? Did you go to, um...

Serenia or Parkman or Taft. This is so weird. I feel like you talk about the Valley, but it's a big place, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I went to Serenia Elementary School and I walked there every day. That's where I went to grade school until sixth grade. You guys, guys, guess what else? You were both child actors. What? There's something in the water out there telling you. We'll be right back. And now back to the show.

I wanted to get to this because I love, I love, because JB obviously started when, I don't know, God, you were what, seven or something, JB? Ten. And so like, so there you go. So he always understands this, that experience. Let's talk a little bit about that, JB. Let's talk about First Jobs.

- First job, Little House on the Prairie. - Did you have to, did your parents drive you to like a million auditions over the hill? - Yeah, and yeah, so I just grew up on the Ventura Freeway, you know, lots of traffic on the way, but that's, I learned how to drive. I paid attention.

Freeway driving had to merge late. You know, you've got to skip the line. And then when they weren't able to drive me into the city, I'd have to get on the bus there on Ventura Boulevard, stop every single red light. Although it would take me an hour and a half to get in the city, but I have my skateboard and my little headshot in my little manila envelope. And I'd get off at like Hollywood and Highland and skateboard the rest of the way. Yeah.

But it's for the passion, you know, Kristen? Just the passion of the craft. From jump, you've just been a passionate young man. Was that your experience too? Like, you're going with your folks to audition? Because your parents were both... worked in entertainment as well, right? Yeah, my mom really hooked me up because she was a script supervisor. And so if she wasn't on a movie, she would be the guy taking me around, which is a total pitch. No way.

It's just constant and like, yeah. And you wanted it though. You wanted to be an actor, yeah? No, she was forcing me into it. I was begging her. Yeah, I was like. You will contribute to the bottom line in this house. So for Tracy, the script supervisor is the person who keeps their eye on the script, makes sure the actors say the lines correctly, helps the director and the camera department with screen direction. And if there's...

things match, et cetera. Like if you're using your left hand to pick up the glass in all the first three takes and then the next take, you pick it up with your right hand, that's not gonna cut. So she'll say, so are you, did you grow up being incredible at continuity? Like, would you always match your action?

No, I think it's sort of the opposite where I was always like, that shit doesn't matter. Really? Yeah, I was like, if that's what you're paying attention to, then you're really not doing your job right. It's that classic. You've got bigger problems, yeah. No, I would drive her crazy. We've never worked together. Oh, you guys haven't? Oh, you haven't? Mm-mm. Huh. What'd Dad do? Wow.

Uh, stage manager. So he did, like, he did TV, which we always gave him, like, a bunch of crap for because we were pretentious movie people. So stage manager, so multicam for, like, studio audience shows? Yeah, he was, like, yeah, super into the kind of... He always told us that making movies was like watching paint dry. Oh, yeah. Because it's boring and it takes forever, and he's, like, running variety shows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did he ever do any sitcoms? Would I have worked with him? Because I did a bunch of those back then. I feel like he did mainly, like,

Game shows like Fear Factor, a lot of like award shows and also talk shows. Like I bet you've worked with him a lot, but like not on anything long. You know what I mean? Like you've probably been on shows that he's worked on. Are they excited for you? I mean, your success is not new. Were they excited for you? Or was it just like, yeah, we're all in the business. It just kind of just happens.

No, they were stoked and tripping on it. And my dad is, but both in very different ways and kind of like reflective of both of their vocations. Like I think as script supervisor is a department of one and that's always like a freak. My mom's like not very social and like does her own thing and is like a weird thing. They're always my favorite people on the set though. I know me too. Well, they're either like the best or the worst where you're just like, oh, she's going to like, she's going to be like,

this stickler is just going to kill me. Or you're like that, that, you know, the keeper of,

Yeah. Or you just want to impress them. Right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah. With the way you match your action. But you see that it was perfect. We only had to do it three times. They must be super thrilled with the way you've been able to transition, though, from from being successful in childhood into a young adult and then into adult. Because, as you know, it just doesn't happen that often. Yeah, it is weird. I know my mom, like before she was nice enough to.

cart me all over town. She was like, do you really want to do this? Like, we have to pay all this money for headshots. And, you know, you got to pay me back if this ever works out. And I was like, I will. And I remember her like looking in the rearview mirror being like, okay, well, I believe in you, but you have to believe in yourself. Like the most cliche cartoon version of like the start of something. And I was like, trust in me. Like a poster with a kitten saying, hang in there. Yeah. A bumper sticker. But it does, it works though.

That's great. But she totally was like, oh no, I'm going to watch my kid. I can imagine now, like school is so scary. Being just a little guy in the world in every way is so scary. I can't imagine having a little kid and like at five years old, you have to be like, goodbye. For so many hours, you're going to go off on your own and we're not going to know what's going on. And you're just going to have to figure it out. Like even that...

Totally freaks me out. And so the idea of my parents dealing with me being like, you're a bad actor and you're ugly. And the adult pressures. You don't get the job. Yeah. But also, I talk about this a lot too. You and Jason have this where you're not, I imagine, in awe of...

of things that I would be in, like having not grown up and wanting to be in the business when I was older. I still am in awe. If I meet certain actors or celebrities or whatever, I'm just like, oh my God, I can't believe... Today, I can't believe I'm meeting Kristen Stewart. It's crazy. It's really cool. Were you desensitized to that? For example, Panic Room, which I want to talk about. I love that movie. I've seen it 10 times. And of course, I'm so gay. When the thing was over, I was like...

I tried to Google, where did they film that? I love that beautiful house. Like... Brownstone. Yeah. What brownstone was that? It was a set, right? I'm sure it was a set. It was like a fully functional brownstone built on a soundstage in Manhattan Beach. It was... Every outlet worked. It was mind-blowing. It was like in a time where, like as people do this, you just have to be like one of five men who are allowed to do it. But Fincher is one of those people and he just built...

You could have transplanted that. You could live in it. We should honestly see like where the pieces are. Let's build it. But all those walls were, they could fly all those walls, right? Because all those intricate camera moves, they had to, I would imagine, right? The whole thing was like on hydraulics, I'll bet.

Yeah. I mean, I think there were like also different, but we had like five actual, I mean, I don't know if it was five, but we had like different panic rooms that were detached from the whole house. And then there was one embedded in the actual house that was like totally practical. And then like, there was like, yeah. And then it was just the most elaborate playground for. Sean, that's what you call when you, when you, when the, in the pantry, when you run out of Snickers, you call that the panic room. Right. Well,

Wait, but to my point, like when you first of all got the part and then at such a young age and then there's Jodie Foster and you guys are like working together. To me, again, to me, I would have been like, oh my God, it's Jodie Foster. But having grown up in the business where you're like, hey, Jodie, I'm Kristen. Here we go. The scene goes like this and blah, blah, blah. Were you desensitized to it?

It was different because I was now being spoken to. I guess I grew up on movie sets eating Snickers and stuff, but I wasn't actually in front of the camera and being like, hey, what's up? How's it going? What are we going to do now? So that part was like, it was crazy that all of a sudden I was part of the process because I grew up hanging out with my mom on set all the time. And that's kind of why I wanted, I mean, it is why I wanted to be there and to engage with it.

I can't remember if I was starstruck. Like I wasn't, it was, I was like intimidated by just being, having to be like, okay, this is like a job and I have to be like, yeah, for sure, Jodi, let's do this. Let's rehearse, let's block this scene. But it started off being someone else. But for you, was it like kind of how it was for me where you, like, had I been older and understood all the adult responsibilities of

rent and taxes and all that stuff the stakes of auditions and the stakes of performing well when it when at work would be so much higher than as as kids we were like oh this is great fuck i get to take the day off from school and we're just kind of like playing around and so the stakes were lower it was more fun and so therefore it wasn't quite as anxiety inducing yeah yeah

I mean, I think I like grew into that. I think when I was, yeah, you know, when you're little and you're just like, yeah, I can do this and everyone else thinks I can. Well, my anxiety came later. How about for you? Yeah, exactly. Of course, it's not to be a weirdo, but that's definitely just comes with the hormonal surge of like, oh no, do I need to consider like having sex now? Right. And I have to consider, and you're like, well, now my life's complete, I'm debilitated. Uh-huh. Yeah, it's a lot. Yeah.

But JB, what age was it, JB, because you also had the thing when you were a kid of like providing. So like doing the work was a way of contributing to

Yeah, I mean, it was difficult because my parents were also in a position of manager in my career and also in my sister's career. And so they were being compensated for that from us as well. And so that got complicated because those monies went into, you know, rent and mortgage. And so if we're not working, that affects the bottom line for the household. But you didn't know about that. You weren't aware of that. I did. I was keenly aware of it. And it was fucking stressful. Yeah.

Because remember work permits? So what you were just saying wasn't true. You did feel like... Well, eventually, yeah. But at the start, though, at the start, it was all kind of fun and games. But then as I kind of got into like 14, 15, 16, 17, and school got harder. And, you know, remember with work permits, you had every six months your work permit had to get renewed. And they would renew your work permit based on your grades. You had to hold at least a C average. And that's not difficult, but...

But if you know you have to, it becomes difficult, especially when you're looking down the barrel of a midterm or a final exam where that's a huge percentage of your grade. And I know if I fail this test for some weird reason, now I get fired off the show, all those people are out of work, and we got no money coming into the house. Did you find that it was hard to keep your grades up –

kind of dipping in and out of... Yeah, because I was really good at cheating. Because, you know, when you're on the set doing school, it's only three hours a day. It's just you and the tutor and you can kind of like, you know, hide a bunch of notes. In college, I would be... My eyes hurt from... I would be in those big lecture halls and my eyes hurt from cheating because I would... My face would be forward but my eyes would look at the paper.

And my eyes were so much pain. Anyway, how are you? You ruined your peripheral vision from cheating. So then, Kristen, how old were you when you did the first of the Twilight films? 17. 17. I mean... And talking to the extent of, quote Jason, to the extent to which you're comfortable about, that process of being part of something that's so...

Such a global phenomenon and instantly kind of, again, you've been working since you were a kid, you've been around it, but now you're part of something that is so known and so like it's kind of... Yeah, now you're famous. Yeah, famous in a way that... You can't go out and around. But also like in a way that very few people experience, especially at that kind of rate.

Yeah, that was... And also, 17 is, like, the most awkward age ever. You're just now starting to be like, oh, I am a woman. And, like...

Yeah, I think I always kind of like was super utilitarian about the job because my parents are a crew and I was just like, yeah, I love this job. It's what I'm gonna do forever. I'm gonna make movies forever. And it's like, it's chill. And then that definitely made things different. Yeah. Yeah, I'll bet. But it was, I mean, we have kind of like a cool insulated, like when people ask me about like my high school years or like my college years, which I didn't do either of because I'm an idiot. Same. Me too. Yeah.

That's like the period of time that I think about. And so it's so weird because it doesn't feel like I'm referencing myself. Like I feel like... Really? Talking about a different time, it's hard for me to relate to that. It's like so personal. I don't see it from the outside. I'm like, well, I was going through like...

it's just so fucking weird to do everything personal publicly yeah it's like oh you know what i was dating you know exactly what happened right right right it's like me saying where do you live and you're like oh unfortunately everybody knows where i live like it's like are you guys asked about your first like partners right every time you do an interview about like obviously like the series comes up it's where i come from it's like oh well what about that and you're like it's

crazy that people are still asking me about that first dude. Well, you're right. Yeah, you know, I didn't have that and I didn't go to college either. And I'm the dummy that has like, now I want to ask who is the dude? Like, I have no idea. I don't either, by the way. Well, you know, it's the proverbial dude.

Right. But it seems like all you guys in there were all – like it was such a phenomenon as I remember. I apologize. I have not seen them. Everybody got famous really fast. It must have been comforting that you guys each had each other to kind of go through it with and you could kind of lean on one another because I seem to remember you guys all got sort of an equal level of fame. Yeah.

And you could kind of go through it together. I would imagine that there was some sort of comfort in that. Yeah, totally. I mean, like, we were all so different. I don't know. I think about that. I'm like, like the first picture that I ever saw of myself in a newspaper was in the Post article.

It sounds like so old school too. It's like we open the post and there you are and cover smoking weed with your dog. And this is like my boyfriend's family. And they're like from Staten Island and they're like, what's going on here? And I was like, oh, what is going on here? Like the movie wasn't even out yet. I didn't, I'd never been photographed by a paparazzi in my life. I was like been acting since I was 10 years old and was like, what the hell? And

And then like we were, I got in trouble and I was like, oh, I think this is going to ruin everything. I'm so sorry. And now weed's legal and everything was fine. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But I just thought that was such a big deal. Was there a moment there where you considered like things would be so, this was fun, but things would be so much easier if I got back to anonymity. I'm still young enough where I can go to college. I can study another career. I went through that. I was like, is this worth it? And yeah,

Can I sustain a level of success and, and income? And I can get all the way to the finish line because I got to decide now. Yeah. These are the years for college. So like there was, did you go through any of that? I have to say, I felt like at the time that I could have like redirected energy and like

become an academic. Yeah. I was so hungry for more work because like the Twilight series itself took forever. Like it was, we did it over like a four year period. We made five movies. It's probably more than four years, by the way, like 17, 18, 19, 20, 21. Like those movies,

I wanted to make other movies at the same time so badly. Yeah. I just sort of crashed and burned and barreled my way through those years and just like was really like lacked any balance. I was just like, I was just working constantly. Singularly focused, yeah. And you had your eyes on the end of that tunnel when you're done with your obligation on the franchise, you could start doing other movies that were a little bit more exciting to you?

Well, we all kind of, if we were able to, like, tried to, like, slam one in in between. And so that was why it was kind of, like, such a loaded period because we were, like, either promoting one of these movies, making one of these movies, or trying to shove in something that gave you some, like, variation. And not in terms of what it, like, was like for other people, but just so you could, like, do something other than play that one part for fucking six years. But then at the tail end of that, did you find yourself, like, was there sort of a moment of, like,

or just like-- I'm sure it was a great experience. I don't mean in that sense. I just mean that like just the absolute kind of, you know, making five films in four years and everything that comes with that and all the exterior pressures and all the-- Did you find that moment of like, "Fuck," where you could just kind of exhale and kind of take a second?

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, I bet. And then the great news is that you did start to make, you know, films that were, not to disparage those films at all, but films that were very, very different. And it seems a little bit more on your sort of

artistic ideals and tastes, for lack of better phrases. I mean, your career is just like really fucking exciting. It's incredible, especially Spencer. I thought you were just incredible. I know, so, so, so good. I couldn't agree more. Unbelievable. Nice to say all that. Thanks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, truly, I mean, you're thought of as just one of our great actors, you know, and like that's like not a lot of people come out of

you know, franchises like that and then get the kind of credibility that you have earned. And so it's just-- it's just-- it's awesome. Well, it feels like, Kristen, like you've had kind of like three careers in such a-- or like four. Like you've had-- you've done so many different things. And now you've got this new film coming out that, look, like I said, I obviously haven't seen it yet. -It was just at Sundance. -I can't wait to see it. Right? How was the reception at Sundance? It must have been awesome.

It was really fun. It was cool because I hadn't done like a, I think we, what was called like a midnight screening. And I was nervous because I fall asleep in movies past 7 p.m. like no matter what. And I was like, we have to screen our movie. Like everyone's going to be sleepy and sick and like altitude sick. And like, it was just like a cesspool. Everyone's just caught. I was just like, this is not the time to screen the movie. But it was like, it was like, uh,

like a real, a rumpus room. I just couldn't believe it. I was like, everyone is like fully engaged and like standing up and clapping during parts of the movie. I was like, this is, I haven't fucking hung out in a theater in this way in forever. Oh, wow. We'll be right back. All right, back to the show. So what do you, what's the kind of stuff that you do look for now? Because you have, like you are kind of doing lots of different kinds of films. And so as you kind of think about what, what's, you know, what,

you know, the things that attract you, the things that excite you in terms of filmmaking? Like, what are the things that are out there you're like, "Fuck, I want to do that"? Yeah. It's so hard to answer that all the time, you know what I mean? Like, especially as an actor, you're like, you know it when you see it, and then you feel like a crazy person 'cause you'll just, like, do anything to make it happen. But then before you see it, you're just sort of floating in this liminal, like, "I want to want something." -Yeah. -Right. But we're kind of starting to...

I'm really gutting... I mean, like, you know, it's not the first I've mentioned, and I've been sort of, like, sending out this, like, siren song about wanting to make this movie based on one of my favorite books. And I'm pretty sure...

I'm pretty sure at some point in the next week or two, it's going to be something that I can say, I am doing this and we are going to make this now because we have monies to do so. But it's so hard to get monies for small movies. But this is not the film you're directing though, right? This is different from the film that you're directing? This is the one I'm trying to direct. This is the one you're trying to direct. Okay, so you have talked about it. This is Chronology of Water? Yeah. Yeah, okay. And would that be the first film that you direct?

Yeah. First feature. Yeah, first feature. Oh, my God, how exciting. I was going to get to that, JB, because both of you guys, again, there's similarity. You grew up in it, you were around it, your parents were in it, and your mom's a script supervisor, and you've made a load of films and done it really well. It makes sense that you would want to direct. Yeah.

I mean, what is the draw, Kristen? Like, are you attracted to the sort of holistic sort of four corners, you know, you got to do it all kind of thing as opposed to just the acting lane and playing a character? Because that's kind of what's the draw for me and more interface with the crew. I feel like on movies...

that I really love making, you get to be a part of the crew and directors that let you into that process. It doesn't always happen, but sometimes you're sort of like, we're all making this. Even though there's clearly somebody who spearheads and obviously the perspective that's being maintained comes from a singular place, it still feels like everyone's hand is in a balanced way supporting the weight of that.

And so like, as an actor, I always feel like the director's in the scene with me, or at least, or I don't always, but when it's good, I feel like we've done it. I don't know, like there's an exchange and I just want to step onto the other side of it and be like, it's the same, it's not the same job. There's an element of it that's sort of like kickstarting someone's engine. And I just know I will be so good at that. Like, I just know how to get people going and like, or not people, I know how to get people going. I mean, like actor, like if you're doing anything real, it's like,

it happens. And you can do that while not being on camera. And I just can't wait to sort of like take care of someone and sort of set them on a path. I'm thinking about one person in particular and one movie in particular now. So I just like, I want so badly to just like preserve this path that this girl is on. And I want to see what she does with all of my ideas. I want to see how she makes them better. I want to like, I just want to, I want to know how to look at things. I want to

I'm always thinking like the camera should be in a different place. I'm like, you're not seeing this. Trust me, I know I'm not being received. Like I just, I can't wait to put something together from the very bottom to the top and just... And have a plan and communicate that plan to a team and be a motivator and just, I got you guys. Here's what we're going to do. And just maybe trust me, if you're not seeing it, you will. And like...

Are you like that in other parts of your life? Like are you the one that comes up with the great idea for where we're going to throw the party or where we're going to go to dinner and who should be at the dinner, where they should sit? Like are you a good planner like that? Type A.

Yeah, I'm like a total control freak. I'm like, if I could just design everything all the time. Truly? I have to hold myself back from being like, this is what everyone should do. Yeah, but I feel like the control freak, I know you're being sort of self-effacing there, but it does kind of get a bad rap. We have to come up with a better term than control freak because it's such a pejorative when

Well, you're like a fucking rebel rouser. You're like somebody who's like, let's go, man. Like, let's like follow me. I got an idea. You're going to love it. What's your sign? Check this out. I'm a Capricorn. Oh, yeah. Which is not great for collaboration, but I'm working on it. I recently was, I was like, I was hitting, I was at, do you guys, does anyone play golf?

You guys seem like something. Oh, my God. Oh, hell yeah. Let's go. Will and I have a sickness. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me too, but it's so funny. I'm like fully. I totally fucked up my ring finger because there's this like bump on it that I hate so much, but it's not going to go anywhere. Fucking way. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Are you serious? You're a golfer? I have made a hole in motherfucking one.

Kristen Stewart. We're making news today. This is crazy. I've never had a hole-in-one. I hate you. I've been playing for— Jason shot a 70. It's not fair. Jason shot a 70 last week, a one under. It was— Whoa. I've never shot a par. I mean, I'm single holes, but I've never parred any course. Like, not even the one that I live next to, which is weird. Like, it's like the Bermuda Triangle because I've, like, birdied, birdied, birdied, and then just, like, fucking shit.

shit the bed and like ruined it. I'm just like, wow. Are you naturally gifted or have you studied this? Have you taken lessons? My dad taught me how to swing when I was little and then I didn't play until a pandemic and then I started playing all the time. That's what we did. So wait, so you're out there at public courses there? You're going to like Wilson, Harding and... Balboa. Yeah? Have you not...

Oh, my God. She's showing us the crust from the local public golf course. Yeah, the par three down the street. As a tattoo on your form. You are a badass. Wow, that is so big, too. I really went in. I was me and my friends like finished up and we had this great game and we had a bunch of beers and we're like, let's go. We're best friends. We'll be best friends forever. But honestly, these are my like best girls.

But wait a second, you got that tattoo after a few beers? Because I was literally just scouting today a tattoo place here in the East Village. And I said to the guy, I said, what are your hours usually? He goes, well, you know, you're supposed to stay up until about two in the morning, but you get too many drunks in here that want tattoos. And then they come back the next day and they say, hey, can you take this off? Where's the eraser? And so I started shutting down around seven or eight o'clock because you're not supposed to get a tattoo with a little buzz on. But you did. No.

No, because it like thins your blood and you don't make, you know, choice choices. But he was a friend of a friend and he's an idiot. And so here we are. But I still like it. I don't know if I've made bad decisions drinking. Let me think about it. Wait, Kristen, I really want to play golf with you one day. I'm going to get a hold of you. And one day we're going to, I'm going to take you out to...

JB's out of town. Christian, you can come play with me because he's not at the club right now, but I am. Yeah, I'm going to retire from golf until October. Well, after you guys golf, Christian, I read somewhere a while ago that you like cooking. I love cooking. Then after golf, we'll cook. Sean, you can't change the fucking subject. Why not? What else are we going to talk about golf for? You swing the ball on the mission. You've got to play golf tattoo, dude. You can't just...

hijacked the conversation. Dude, you get really hungry playing golf. Like we just have dinner after. That's what I'm saying. Chili burgers or whatever. Now you're speaking Sean's language. Have you just been playing the public courses or have you gone around to all the country clubs too?

I've been taken to like one or two really fancy courses. It's a completely different vibe. It is, right? Yeah. There's some good and some bad. Oh, you don't like middle-aged white guys? I like you guys. Yeah. But pervasively, I will say sort of on the whole. Yeah, it's good. Ah. It's, uh... Ah. Ah.

Anyway, that's so cool. That's so, so, so, so, so, so cool that you do that. And we can't wait to play with you. Shani, a food question? Yeah. Yes. So do you cook with butter or oil? Oh. Actually, it's very weird that you asked that because last night I made a pomodoro and I used a bunch of butter and I was like, I know you're kind of a bit of a cheat, but if you like emulsify the shit out of it and it gets all frothy and amazing and you like, so it was really incredible. But this morning I thought,

You could probably do that with olive oil and it would be just, it would be different, maybe less rich, but you still could get that flavor.

frothy kind of... Right, Sean? Sean, does your chef agree? I mean, do you agree? It's all about that pasta water. But wait, why would one want to go with olive oil instead of butter because it's healthier or different taste? Well, it's also a little more Italian to use oil than butter. That's the thing. Because at least in America, with the butter... Please, take one coffee. I like the oil. Jesus, dude. But wait, are you...

Are you Italian guys also taking your coffee? And they also, they're smoking. Are you one of those people because of your self-described kind of, quote, control freak, like you said? Do you cook for all your friends and, like, groups of people? Like, do you like to command the kitchen? Yeah. Yeah, I did Thanksgiving this year. Oh, you did? By yourself? How'd that go? Me and my girlfriend did it. Like, and then people brought stuff, and it was so annoying because we were so inundated with food.

and mine was, like, ours was really great. And then we had all these, like, dishes sort of muddying the waters. And I was like, what is all this bullshit? And their shitty pots and their tacky pans. Again, it's not Control Freak, it's Dream Maker. I think it's Dream Maker. Yeah, that's right. Did you do the turkey and everything? Yeah. I hear that's not easy. I have a, I really figured it out. You have to get it in pieces. Like, to do the whole thing is really difficult. But if you get it,

in different pieces and then like the neck and back are, it's really gnarly to talk about meat in this way, but are like detached and get that dry brine going. And so it's like all encrusted. So you've done this before? Yeah. Wow. Now, how did you get the cooking bug? Did mom or dad cook when you were growing up?

Yeah, they did a bit. I'm just like, I'm kind of a stoner and I'm just really food obsessed. So like, you get a little snacky and you want something nice. Yeah. And I like playing in the kitchen. But do you guys cook too?

Yeah, well, I started baking because I started with a cheesecake and I was like, I want because I want a piece of cheesecake. His cheesecake is so good, by the way. And so I'm sitting there craving a piece of cheesecake. I'm like, well, why don't I just get off my ass and make it? So I just made it. It's so good. Because the chef didn't show up yet. She usually shows up at 4 or 5. Sean's doing real well, Kristen. Do you ever make shit food like Slappy Joe's? I make Slappy Joe's a lot too.

- Yeah, I have like, I'm definitely low and high. You're just making fun of the slob. - No, no, wait, you have low and high? Is that what you said? - Yeah, like I like to be fancy and also like, you know, scuzzy. - You go low and high. - Were you sloppy Joe scuzzy? - How are you now, you know, Sean is in great shape. He's a beautiful man, super handsome.

but he does have his little cookie pouch. Yeah. And that's from all of the fun food that he eats. Baking. Why do you have no cookie pouch, Kristen? You're talking like- I have a cookie pouch. No, no, no. Very fit. I guess what I'm getting to is you don't have like a huge workout regimen that offsets, like you don't work out so that you can eat.

I mean, I have gotten, as I've grown in, into a reasonable adult, who's not a total shit show. I actually do exercise and like cook healthy food and try not to eat the meat. And like, I, I've incorporated some, it's like, I'm either eating sloppy Joe's,

And like drinking Coors and playing Los Feliz three times a day. Or I am like working out constantly. Yeah, yeah. Right, and depriving yourself yummy stuff for a week or two. Yeah. Yeah, like, or just, I don't know. I kind of like going like all in on whatever I'm going in on. Me too. There's no, what is your sign for Christ's sake? Aries. In fact, I was recently at the golf course and this dude that I see all the time there who used to be an actor, he sent us a screenplay of his. He's an older man. He's Hank.

really actually super hot because he's like

He drives this lime green, like, hand-painted Honda and, like, plays guitar at the back, offers us a beer and a sock. I was like, no. A beer and a sock? But what are you doing? Yeah, he was like, you want one? Justin Theroux is there? That's crazy. And he gave you a script and you took it? I gave him my email address. Yeah, I was like, you must send this to me. What? You're a good person. But he's cool, and he, like, sang these songs to me and my friends about our signs. And mine was, I...

Man, what is this guy? It's totally like Google. He's on YouTube. Is he? But he sang this song called I Am, I Am, I Am the Ram. And like all the verses are about like, I will lead the charge. And like, but also how completely like fucking egotistical and like arrogant and like ridiculous and sort of like,

Yeah. So you're not going to get people like that bothering you up at the country clubs, you know? That's the thing. I prefer this. We can hang out. Exactly. But it was like really good. Like he really got me and he really like nailed, he really like nailed all my attributes and everything.

So yeah, like the ram thing. I'm surprised. What's the animal for a Capricorn? A goat, maybe? See, we have these like annoying horn. We're like these silly little animals with big horns. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like it. All right. We're going to let you go. But what is your last meal you could have being a foodie if you had to call in one last meal?

Is it a pizza? I think for me it would be fries and a pizza, I think. Would it be dessert? Christian, would it be like a dessert type thing or would it be like... No, I'd go pizza over. Yeah, I like the food more. You like salt more than sugar? Primarily, I think so, yeah. But then sometimes you just get... Yeah, sometimes I get a little crazy about...

No, yeah, I would say probably pizza. I think maybe like... So like pizza, beer, golf, and then video games. That's a perfect Christmas to our day. You just need a van and you're all set. I'm not a gamer. I wish that I was. I'm jealous of people who are into sports and video games. If you're not playing golf but you're drinking beer, what are you doing if you're not playing golf? Like are you watching shitty TV or are you...

I like to play pool and cook and golf and read and make movies, and that's it. That's it. By the way, that's plenty. That's plenty. It's pretty good, too. It's a pretty solid lineup. You don't, really? Yeah, it's really good. It's really, really good. Sean, what's your last meal? Spaghetti all day long. Spaghetti? Yeah. And vanilla ice cream. Christ. Drinking ice cream. That really got me. That was really funny.

Kristen Stewart, we kept you way too long. We don't deserve your time. What a pleasure. Yeah, seriously. I'm coming after you for some golf. Don't be shocked when I show up. Thank you guys for letting me hang out. You guys just all hang out and talk for an hour and then you put it on the internet. That's such a weird thing to do. That's all we do. We do that with my friends. We'll talk about your movie too. We'll say your movie again too. We're so bad about promoting. I can't wait. Did we get a date on it yet?

Yeah, when is it? I actually do know this. It is coming out on March 8th. March 8th. I think. Maybe that's me. It's coming out in the beginning of March. It's a spring release, y'all. Go see it. She's in it. She's great. It's Love Lies Bleeding. It's Kristen Stewart. The great Kristen Stewart. We don't do this often, but we're going to give you a golf clap. Same to you. We're going to give you a golf clap.

Thank you, Kristen. So nice to meet you. Thank you for today. Thanks, Kristen Stewart. You were great. You guys, thank you so much. That was really fun. Thank you. And done. And done. Well, great. The great Kristen Stewart. I can't believe. I just love that. You know, she's so...

There's so much – I wish I had her street cred, right? She's cool. She's happening. The fact that she plays golf is just such a great sort of counterbalance to that. Like I think it gives golf a great name. Because you think golf is uncool.

Well, listen, it does not have a long history of being street creddy. So you get some cool person like her playing golf, it's great for the sport. I agree. But at the same time, I will say this, like who gives a shit? I wonder if she wants to go to the Dinah Shore golf. Who gives a shit what people think? What's that, Sonny? She's going to become the new Dinah Shore of golf. She's the new Dinah Shore. What we got to do is we got to convince her to come to one of these pro-ams with us. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. That'd be a great get. Yeah. And maybe on one of our golf trips, she seems like a super fun hang. Well, the AT&T maybe gets the celebs back maybe next year. Mr. Steve John, the great Steve John. The great Steve John. We'll invite Kristen. Maybe that'll be...

And then on top of that, we forget the fact that she's like Academy Award nominated Cesar winning actress who's done like, she's done everything from like, it's very, it's not rare, but it's rarefied air of being somebody who's been part of like massive franchises and then done all these like really cool things

art house films, uh, you know, that have her co-star would be, would be one of the, one of the few that Robert Pattinson had had a, a, a similar, um, similar thing. Yeah. Not fortunate. Cause that, that takes away from their talent. Um, but the, the, both of them were able to find some projects that, uh,

you know, facilitate that transition for them. Yeah, post that. Because like Downey, you could say, but Downey came into it with a huge, you know, body of work before he started getting into the Marvel stuff. So like, you know, but really to start as a young actor and come out of that kind of machine. Hunger Games, didn't Jennifer Lawrence, was she in Hunger Games? Yeah. She transitioned well. Great Jennifer Lawrence. You're right, you're right. All right. But there have been a few, but it's still rare. Yeah, you can't, it's on one hand. You should get her to play golf because, you know,

Here it comes, guys. Here it comes. Get ready. Why doesn't it look like you're reading? No, no, I'm not. I'm just saying because, you know, when... God, he can't. He's so proud of it. Go ahead. When golfers sometimes yell that thing at the golf ball, right? Like an announcer will say, like, she's going to have to get this one to blank, right? If she's going to, right? Like when they hit the ball and it's in flight, they go, oh. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight.

Bite. Okay. We will allow. Judges will allow. You think we'll allow that? Bite. Bite. No, I will say this. That particular one actually bites. Nice. Nice punch up, Willie. Bye, everybody. Smart. Worse. Smart. Worse.

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