"Jim Gaffigan"
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Hey, guys, guys, mouth full of english muffin, a glass full of apple juicer on the rocks. Thank you very much. And here is my surprise. Guess today, who is a clapping? See lion.

Oh, my god.

this is by the way, before Jason and we are on, welcome to more less.

Crazy um I can see surprise guest yet. Um maybe there are cameras.

How does IT work that's .

supposed .

to by the way, when he won't stop.

we got a live one. Yeah I boy.

I want to just get .

right to this guest into our chat .

afterworld.

We had by the, what a wonderful the three of .

us we really did.

Listener, you know, the three of us don't really get a chance to have just to three top.

That's very yeah.

IT went really well. Sean generically picked up the bill. No, kind of sneaky .

like I got to be yong doing IT. I know I know it's nice to do, but consider there's some time and again, I don't want this to seem like i'm being ungrateful because I was very nice of you use so thank you and dressed up and thank you yeah but keep in mind .

I got to hard out other .

people you might want to have the opportunity to do that as well. I mean, so so you don't want to take away from .

IT wheel's got about the fuck in shortest fuck in t rex arms. You'll ever fine at the dinner table, this fucking guy fuck in. You could dry a check on fire in front of him and he wouldn't bat IT out. He wouldn't touch you. You just let me catch he's fucking pants on fire before he touched the burden.

That is so untrue, that is patently untrue. The crew members.

Crew.

yeah, a bear. Just walk you .

living a bear. Crew member.

Now, nothing of a livestock. We ate a lot of cook cow last night. I woke up at two thirty in the morning and had a chug pepto bis mall. Because I I C is so unused to, I was like, was, I was like a four pound steak.

I so good going down now, oh yeah, was .

great. So actually I an after you left us, we were in tried a when we post, staff were time as we know, we only went five .

one blocks.

You can take sandwich and .

we .

but .

with danny Daniel .

coops .

like that, I think that's right.

Dani coops.

check IT out, think it's on way he said.

yeah, in the Lorry side IT makes just so good. I think what did you tell me that you say in the menu is just .

just takes me yeah either with cheese, without period.

no, with without.

oh god, right, right? It's gonna be huge. So, so.

so after that menu, after that, that million. And last night, just I over there and then bad literally cooking these up in his house and he goes, if we don't and it's got kids there in a bunch for the people and like, we go and we're like now we just we just had a absolute feast yeah and then within twenty minutes jb gets up and .

no wonder you ve got up at two thirty in the but because he walked .

me through the whole process of how he got the recipe from this guy who makes the best take sandwich es in philadephia. And then, you know, brother, like perfected IT over like a year because you just love these sounds as some machine told themselves how to cook them. And then, because the guide to open up an asics.

don't remember he made them forest. Like, no, yes.

yeah, yes, I do. Member, anyway, he was really an idea to when they were absolutely delicious.

But how I .

walked back because.

first of all, got two things to say about so when we ve got from the remember one when we got from the table last night at dinner, Jason, you pull the side and said, I got to run in the bathroom weeks so mean, well, went outside and waited .

for you around at all, up at that, taking IT all out .

of the and then we're standing there and then you come out and both well and I are like, who's this talking guy come up and .

out of the blues like? And you thought, maybe and like.

close this. Twink yeah I so listener they are talking .

about because I i've had .

my i've looked like jesus cries for the last nine months. Basically i'm playing this guy with long hair and long beard and all that self. And I just cut IT all off as we came to the .

end of the number of people. And shine, you're probably the same who have come up to me as if i'm your wife over the last six months ago, hey, or text at me. People, so I, hey, what's Jason? How come is here so long and I like, yeah, he's an actor, you but they .

all assure I love IT that nobody I love that nobody assumes that I would be doing in friends for the acting part like everything trouble everybody think have been trouble. They go there instead of like why he's not much about that being gonna change a lot, he must just had fuck IT and really .

gotto send him for money. Yeah.

why did? Why did Martin?

And then and then you drop me off and then he said, when I went, i'm like, well, wears uptown because so lost down till like I don't understand and he could just go that way. I was walking for like twenty minutes. I'm like, I he was a house block for me.

seven, and he walked all the way into the house .

and I was no idea where I was. I was scared out of my mind, and then I asked this, these four people, do you know where like uptown, like which direction uptown is?

Give us your wallet. You got mugged.

U. S. People watch direction up. I know IT was .

IT was a Young married couple. And then in laws and the married couple was like, yeah, you go that way and then the mom, the in lagos on my god, will in Grace and the two Young marine coues like, oh my god, smart list and then the dad goes, just make sure to keep me really he goes, I don't know what the how you are.

right?

And I got honest.

isn't that the funniest instinct people have? I've had people come and go like my friends wanted pick. I have no idea you I think out.

Yeah, yeah. no.

Thanks for telling me. I wait.

let's get into our gas, waiting long up.

Like, honestly, you, I feel like, where are you crying? This is, anyway, we've on hurts. Okay.

let's not going to do IT. okay. This guy makes me life so hard. I love this guy. We've got a lot in common, both men, western boys, large irish families. Interesting fact, he'd been in over two hundred commercials is performed for the pope. I think that means stand up and how.

when you commercial amazing.

And how, when he was eight, he stood in line for two hours in Jimmy Walker from good time, just to have him sign dino might. Well, today we get the other explosive guys is the brilliant, the prolific, the funny, the lovable .

gym gargan.

We, wow, you guys went to dinner last night. I don't know why. And I think the listener should know this, that you made me be the waiter, which I was.

Well, but this is a rehearsal.

Here is out, jim. We just figured that we know how real you like to keep IT.

Ah I mean, a lot of people should know that he does not.

no, not .

financial. I said this is, do you need change and he said, I need you to change your attitude.

Now, jim, do you still have that that autographed, says dina, mine .

from tim.

that I only .

remember that because I saw a photo of IT because I had a dino my hat yeah, i'm probably older than all you guys. But like probable there was a big, I mean, well, looks the oldest, but like the big do no.

I think it's will .

could be like, well, I think will would be a there is A A lot people I know he's doing a movie where he's playing Gavin newsom's dad.

Yeah yes.

this.

Is the r net roast? Well, we didn't .

want to tell i'm scared, three bodies and the new kid I don't know how to fit in your already you're already fitting.

And beautifully.

the dirty little secret about this .

podcasts IT really doesn't matter who we have on as a guess because we don't let them talk anyway. We just like ourselves talk your on cruise control for the next .

hour right then. We don't know each other well, but you came up to very kindly to canada, that hospital member, this, yeah.

did you blocked out? No, I remember.

I remembered very clearly he .

was .

even hilarious.

Crushed crush never pushes.

Just trying to get my dad to like me. And I know it's going to work.

Is dad still with us?

No, he's been dead for like twenty years.

You're waiting for a .

message just right over year.

He's just off camera .

when you wake up, I D tell every morning I am like, wake up, he's really tired. He's really tired.

He just put your eyes on him every day.

Yeah.

he's just, hey, what how did you get? How how did you get to be in two hundred commercials from actually obvious that I .

was on this show, silver spoons. No.

I know .

there was an era in the nineties where they really love the idea of the dumb White guy yeah, in every commercial yeah. And I was like, i'll do that.

John was in A, I did those two.

I did a ton of and I immediately .

started thinking, wait, this is one of those guys got one of those campaigns like, you know, the jack in the box guy, the progress. Yeah, exactly. You can. You would add up quickly.

Yes, I would do. I did rolling rock and a satan, which was a car company.

And this is back in the days when they would pay, right, get thirty thirty ground time and national commercials done with its with its cycle, right? Wasn't about, you could count on about thirty thousand dollars.

How many brands did you think? Do you think .

I would say rock, rock for one. Sattle for two.

Jimmy, so you were born in elgin, illinois. That is Jimmy.

Yes, yes. Is IT ji. When I was a little kid, I was like, twenty minutes now. Yeah, well, we moved pretty, pretty quickly to, uh, northwest inDiana. I mean, what was eight, I guess?

And and you wanted to be a farmer.

I did.

What kind of what did you want a farm?

You know, I think corn. I just sure it's weird. I tty .

not not soybeans.

said not something sexy like soybeans are, but can like a Normal plant. No, I did want to be a farmer and then, but I also wanted to be an actor.

And I know like early on, like you're dad was the city of the mercy tailed national bank of Diana. Yeah, so crazy. And then you wanted to be. And what did he think if you wanted to be an actor?

If that I was pretty fucked and stupid? sure. no.

You know, IT was my parents where children of, you know, like their parents went through the depression. So like the whole objective was to seek security. yeah.

And I think my family had been in the country and my father was the first one to go to college. But before that, everyone was coal miner. So IT was just like we finally got to the middle class and you want to become a show person.

IT was just absurd, was thrown. This happens all the time. We talk about this all the time.

You're the Youngest of six. I'm the Youngest of five. And IT seems to be like a lot of people. We talk to the Youngest, and the family always wants to be the actor of the performer or the attention seeker. I guess isn't that weird?

Well, the alcoholism was so significant in were you.

were you close with dad?

My dad was this huge influence on me, but I was weird. I think I was mostly trying to make my mom laugh. But you know, the whole father relationship is so complex.

And again, I think I don't know about with you. There was such a parental fatigue that had hit by the time I was a teen age, where my dad was like, I didn't even sign up for any of this. I mean, and having children myself, i'm kind of like, can they go to boarding school in middle school? Can they do that? It's just, it's exhAusting.

right? You do have children .

yourself. Yes, verdel guy.

how was your .

Youngest, jim? He just turned twelve and well and I feel like with every kid there was a resit. And for me, like, you're like, alright, this one likes me so much.

I like him. And then my Youngest one looks like me. And so like, right? I got a many may I got a IT is .

amazing like .

how you have you these different relationships with the kids based on completely different stuff. I mean, I know you're going to make a half a joke, but like there is something to be said for like, well, the initial bond started because that that little thing that couldn't speak or do anything has an attraction to me and and there's it's almost like a puppy.

Like kids are like puppies before they can, right? And like all they jump on my lap all the time. And so well, I like you too and now you're my favorite .

pet yeah and then you then your role changes. You're like, okay, i'm the peacekeeper between because daughters and mothers go through some weird crap and now i'm kind of butros buturo golly here to keep some day and then there's just different ones really right on the evil cop that you know has to be the disciplines area yeah or .

the one kids actually less less like a puppy, much more like a cat. So they're difficult like they don't give you the time a day so you end up being very drawn at that one. You know, I got to win that one over .

right dependent.

You've got almost a half a dozen there and must .

be my relationship with my kids is so good, I don't have to like worry about rules. We just sorry. I I think I look older than the other.

Let's double .

back up now.

Jim, where are you? Are you in s Angeles.

new york? I'm in york.

Yeah, right. ork. I have you been in new york a long time.

I've been here for thirty five years. I've done sometime in, you know, when I was on a show, I would be in line for six months or six weeks. I did pilot season oh yeah.

I really now your time in los Angeles. This is something you you hold your nose and can get through IT or you'd like IT out there.

I don't have anything against the sentiment. St, I I mean, i'm not a fan of sunlight, but i'm very much too much show business is not good for a my mental health like that's what I like about new york that like you have friends that are not in the business and you can kind of separate yourself from IT if that makes sense yeah .

and we will be right back.

And now back to the show.

Did you ever worry that .

like by having that healthy kind of distance from show business and and the pursuit of IT and and all that stuff that that that you run the of, not going to the places that you want to go career wise? I ask, because these guys always, always keep me in check in, give me proper ridicule about how sort of on keeping my eye on the ball I am about, like what's happened in the business tree and and what should I be doing next and all that so I can't help IT, but I envy those that that have a healthy distance from w up.

And so that's A A little different in that way.

Yeah yeah I yeah I feel like i've definitely I think my career might be a completely different if I lived in that. I mean, IT is ninety nine percent of the business, right? But it's also I don't want to sound like the person like there was like i'm not like sam shepard said i'm on a farm in Virginia.

You facts me only so I wish I could be that guy. I mean, I definitely care. I'm definitely the guy who's, you know, works really and the guy who does his homework. You I don't even know, I don't even know my agency name.

No, you been able to stay vant so long. You've had really long career. You've been able to you know um live outside of IT to a certain extent.

Yeah, thanks.

Yeah yeah. It's it's adorable. German, how many what is your first break and how many years have you've been doing?

Stand up. Um i've been doing that for like thirty five .

years and was IT always stand up first or was an .

actor first then you'd wanted to IT IT was a little bit of both but I was I would say, yeah that was, you know stand up with something I always did but I always want you to act and but there's such fantastic actors in new york.

Yeah, but the gym gavan show is.

Harry, I want to give the stand up more first. You, what was the first night? What was the first time you were like.

the first time I was? So there's such an audacity necessary to go into this business, right? But and also we stand up to go on stage that um I waited till someone dared me.

I had a fear of public speaking. So I took an improved glasses way before ucb existed and um and in the improved class someone was like, there's a stand up seminar. This is in nineteen ninety.

Nineteen ninety one is york chico, york o and then I so I did stand up for the first time and I was, I fall in love immediately. How about bomb for six? yes.

Did you write? You write a, did you write jokes at first time? Or did you just kind of win IT what you do?

Oh yeah. no. IT was, I did this. IT was kind of like a seven or thing was like someone really holding your hand, you know, yes, I was. yeah. IT wasn't like, mean, my buddies went to a club and I got on stage and I was magic, you know.

do you still like, what is your the oldest joke that you still have in your rotation? Like still one from that from from the early years?

I mean, it's I I you know at this point, I you know I haven't done jokes from back then for for at least a decade and sometimes i'll write a joke. I think, oh, this is great and then you my wife ability, you know, that was on like your third special, that h my god, I know you remember that. Da, you already complained about your kids that way does SHE .

double in in our industry as well.

Yes, yes. So he was a SHE did directing. And he also, like IT, was the show runner of the gunga's ican show. And when we were, but you know, initially when we stand up, we used to totally, once we had, once we are married, we wrote together. And then with five kids, you're lucky to have a conversation with your partner.

SHE showed on for jim Gavin an show. So what you had an overall with the network or with .

the studio and yet that was before cable completely fell apart or even though, I guess it's coming back. We had a deal at cbs. We did two rounds of pilots.

They were committed to single camera comedies and then they they weren't. And so they released us. And we, where we had an offer, a from a know, a couple cable things.

But like the most attractive offer came from TV land. TV land was going to do this massive rebranding thing. And course we were like, alright yeah, great then they then we went over there and then like a month before the show started hearing, they yeah, we're not going .

to a master brief break shanny .

did some TV landor's .

yeah yeah that was we did we produced you on was .

teachers, you guys the first, I think that was the first show that launched.

yeah, I think was big. That was part of the big T. V land we launch.

Yeah, luck.

So you and your wife write the pilot together.

SHE writes the pilot. I wrote .

the pilot with .

Peter tolan. Oh, the he was under a deal and so he go when we went to tb land. I mean, sometimes they reared every episode on comedy center. So that's where .

people would end up in. We I heard you love to go to stake house after each stand up thing. I love stake yeah we just had we just went to stake .

out last night strip stake house yeah yeah .

and the do guys try how often do guys get together and pretended like each other .

yeah not very too too hard ah we're not good at act no have dinner quite .

we have dinner when we're on town like once a week but it's with everybody in family .

just the three of us is a rare thing .

yeah yeah I mean, that's it's also so great about whenever I do podcast is like IT forces you to have these conversations with your friends because things can spin out of control and and it's like getting paid to hang around your friends is not ad yeah, that's all started. I know you guys donate all your money. You donate you amazing.

Are you worried though? Like I do think about because I love stake house to like .

in yes yeah what .

you might be worried about in the stake house street.

No jump if you want. Yeah but but I love .

I like the simplicity .

of the menu. There's like sixteen because member Jerry delhi in los Angeles, member Jerry that you sit .

down and cheesecake factory must really piss .

the factory too. It's a book and it's like two hundred and I almost have to get up because my anxiety like that. There's too many choices I can do but a stake house. It's like there's four things here and there's four sides.

So as I get me past on at the stake and I never know which way to go .

that I always do catch up. I always do catch up with my life.

You are mid west. yeah. I like, I like to stake us when they can show you the meat, or they show you A, A, A, A, O.

We ve got this lobster flown in from maine. It's just like, does that? It's like, so dumb guy. Just like, hey, you're a dumb guy. This is a potato we can cook IT.

I love now I know you on around. I I want to go back to your career and you mean when you first did beyond the pale, that was your first stand up special and you had, I don't know how many after and what what blew my mind is how many grammy you've been nominated for, but like how many, how many times been nominated?

I think seven times. You know, I never gonna a win one.

but like that. This is amazing.

Well, because some of IT is like, i'm just so throw that. The gram is even include, you know, stand up comedy. And in the end there's always, you know, some very important news where the comedic event that occurred, you know, whether IT be chapelle doing anything or like, you know, one year was weird out yankovic had did the first comedy about twenty five years. obvious.

I don't know, I you never .

to in which .

is is the award with the, which is the award with with the circle that spins around is at the tony right? Does does .

IT spin IT .

IT does do you have IT there is IT no, the gram is the one with with the horn. By the way.

it's so funny.

One home just marvel, just you just point the pointer and these two little kiddies, they just go all over the over the, they just point the .

pointer you do, you have and I usually .

ask people, like you have any crazy the other stories but in this case of any crazy like fans stories that you have that like any kind of insane out of all of the a lot of all the tour and you've been for sure but have the specials or the tour or just somebody .

insane didn't yeah no, there's I mean, there's definitely you guys were talking about I I feel like i'm so goofy looking, so like I am very recognizable if you know who I .

am like john america.

but but like a pale version of IT. So it's like i'm either the guy that, you know shovel your driveway or i'm jam daffish, right? So there is so I could be and I have horrible vision, so but because i'm pale and goofy looking, people can see me from far away like I was that, hey, that everything. And I can see who they are because i'm blind.

But but you've been, you've been, you've been loved and on on television or some form of media for so long. You you must not be able to walk down the street often without without getting stopped. You're going, hey, hey, that's a hey, yeah, yeah. Do you get a lot of that?

Yeah, a lot. You know, like i'm playing. I'm, you know, I provided them a ridal. Do I have I supposed to know, you know.

touch a lot of people just staring at you .

from across the room trying to .

trying .

to figure IT out, especially dari.

get to get. And they take their phone out, click no. But you were maybe going to tell us.

go down. Oh yeah. You know, what I would say is the, there is a theater story. I did that ship, ship is broadway. And IT was, the amount of testosterone in the cast was absolutely insane.

IT was me, keeper suttles and brian cox, Chris noth and jay patrol, whose dad wrote to play. So it's a great play. And IT was, but like, so like what you talk about theater stories, we went.

I mean, it's also like this this last uh I think of like there's this last generation of people that and there's a segment of this generation that drink like our parents did and those guys are those guys. And so every night we every night was like up IT was the staminate. It's just bizarre like these guys can throw away and then get up and do a mad neck and I was just like, I can barely walk and yeah I .

wonder how .

that I want. I'd love to check in on those fellows now and see how it's see how it's aging because at some point you you do pay the bill yeah know like you just the staminate and forever well.

i'm sure they're all doing but like they were, IT was so bizarre to go out on stage because I always had this vision of broadway being, oh, you know, like people in top hats and stuff like that. It's like people would walk out twenty four sex in this said I was just bizarre IT was IT was that people were going to so they could see mr. Big.

right, right, right? Yeah people really, really like IT um but you're earlier stand up stuff to you is there as when you refer start yeah yeah .

you tend to remember .

the good performances more than the bad ones.

Are you like I tried to block out some really humiliating things, but I did to show online long island at governors and and you know, long island is is great, but like parts of long island, you know, IT can be not necessarily combat of, but just kind of, oh yeah and I would walk on stage when I started looking like the farm boy that I wanted to be and these, you know, like these new yorkers are being like glue guy I mean, and so like early nineteen company was very, i'm bad driven like this guy is just a pussy.

You in and so member, I was I was on stage was a late show at governors and I got on stage and someone in the audience that was mowing, they're actually moving new moon. And oh, this is great. okay? yeah.

So because i'm from india and their move. And so then I I tried to you deal with a hackler, and Normally, you know, you have a microphone, you have an advantage, but I didn't really work. And so that eventually there was enough slight more.

So I walked into the audience to find out who this mowing person was. And there was somebody severely handicap lying in a hospital bed. The book could only articulate, no.

Jm, only communicate by going more? no. So I had spent a good twenty minutes tearing ing into this severely disabled like, like the keyboard and everything.

And i've just like, and but the crowd had no. And and I was like, alright, i'm just gonna kill myself and know they were very forgiving and the person you know love the the attention. But that was probably the .

one of .

the start. And if you learned your lesson, never ask that question again.

Yeah, you are. Do you have do you have a clear .

i'm sorry if if you answer this question a million times, but do you have a clear preference between stand up and acting? Because you you've done tons of both. And you know, one that the words come beforehand, the other the words come after.

I, I, I love doing both of them because I think that stand up is such a bizarre existence at night and stuffy and its so solitary and I can where's the collaborative thing of acting is so amazing. But I think the the process of getting acting jobs is so maddening that I would totally lose my mind if I had to rely just on that emotionally.

I had job security to have an idea.

And you can control in one lane of your career you are fully in control of that. Can sit down and .

write some great time. You know, i've been, i've done a lot of dramas, but to this day, I had a meeting two days ago, and tense dramas. And people are always, they all have the idea, what if we put kim gagan in a drama? And I like, all right, I mean, I I mean, most of them went in this.

But like, i'm like, and you want to be polite, go. Yes, sure. That would be great even though like one, i've been doing that for a long time.

Yes, sure for sure.

We'll be right back.

And now back to the show.

Do any of your any of your kids share the the the business passion?

Yeah I think you know my i've tour doing stand up with my eighteen minutes and he's really funny.

Oh, no way. So like he opens for you .

or closest for you or yes, really, that's cool. You know last couple of spring breaks, we've done that. But it's such a weird business.

It's like you and my all this daughter whose twenty has really loves acting and I like, you know, there's no jobs, right? There's just you want to and so i'm like if you want, you have to create your own job. So i'm like i'll pay for film school but like there's doe you know not .

like used to be yeah .

yeah that is a .

tough thing because you can't walk around with that diploma and sort of guarantee yourself at least an entry level position. Like but it's even different .

from IT used to be like you taught to have policies .

and like yeah and commercials you been commercials.

You did commercials like when I was a Young active was I support myself doing voice covers at a time point service in around new york. And then every year, by about january, for a few years, I would fly out to california. And not every year, sometimes I would go for like a month and sometimes, but you'd have pilot, at least pilots auditions couple a day here in new york.

And you you do this circuit, right? You get all the places and then you'd fly you out. And there was like, there was a good chance once you kind of got in the mix, there was a good chance you you get a job, you get a pilot that .

wasn't the arrest of development year like the last year you were going to do this, got down pilgrim los Angeles for pilots.

No, I I got fired the year before and I wasn't going to do IT.

and I didn't addition for any dead rosky reached out and said.

but come on well, please just put yourself on they're really feel the pain me not being around.

Why do I show them I think .

arrested development, I tested for that or I was or the maybe an network test but a studio test part, I think the David cross one yeah OK. But I think that, no, it's even worse than that IT was because there's also during parties and there's like, do you want to commit to this pilot or do you want them in first position? Yes, and I think I had been offered a pilot to be in first position.

And I was like, alright, fine, you know? Yeah, let's do that first position. I was, no, I was garbage.

But I like, alright, fine. I just want to act. yeah.

And then, because I had worked with mitch hurwitz the year before on l and the generations that committed addition for this because I have been smoothing him to get apart on IT because obviously he's brilliant, right? Yeah and so but I and then I then he was like, yeah, you're in first position and this is a low budget, think we can have anyone in because we're going to do IT oh yeah because member, the promise was like that. They were gonna IT in a different .

way because he wrote that cover letter on.

yes, if you if you want a dressing room larger than a honeywell g in this jobs, not for you, don't even bother auditioning.

Mike Terry, who works on our show, whom you meet, he sent me, his wife, worked in the cat, worked for debrusk. I I think he sent me recently the the list of people and my named on IT of people who were sent you because I put I eventually put myself on tape here in new york. I was doing a play in the new york, and I was so bummed ed back being fired from the show year before that, I was like, i'm not going to do another done foxy comes, I don't do that and beneath me like I kind of try to flip IT in my mind that i'm above IT because i've been fired and anyway, so I went and I read for debris is but might just set me. I've got my video .

tape of my actual addition for blue. I've got IT on my computer.

Yeah, and that was the last day.

You eight, right? Like that's why you. I just like to puppy.

I forgotten you were on that on that Allen show with mitch that you before I member that yeah.

yeah, yeah Martin mall was on that that was .

so love.

That was so I mean, he was just for one wood tonight.

Yeah, wood tonight was great.

I mean, I was just and, you know, I mean, I know i'm i'm all of any guys, but like, you have to understand that was this. That was the bizarre heman fred willard that was like my first exposure to like, biz comedy.

And they did like cutting out super racier. IT was so clever because IT was, yeah, I love, I love that show.

But also, I I had no idea that how was this brilliant painter, like he went to art school to be a painter, and then he would just tell stories about Steve Martin, which was amazing because .

this is that behind you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a mall right there.

Got this .

one cheap. Jim, tell me about like unusual jobs before you got all this work. When you're starting .

I started off, ah well, I started finance but that that I I was a copywriter in an advertising agency and I I think I was really helpful in learning some you know some word economy and efficiency of writing but IT was I was the wear guy in the corporate setting like James crazy you like he's napping in his meanwhile, I got like three hours to sleep the night before.

But yeah, there was I was definitely I I was the last of my friends to have a day drop because I think the reminds of that retaining security had really stayed with me. And I also knew that I didn't want to just do some horrible bar giggs. And yeah, I tried to limit some of the .

if you keep up with financing, I still like kind like a hobby of yours.

I did. I didn't really I still I don't know anything about finding IT and it's like I went to college and I even took around about that in my new special. It's like it's really sad. I mean, I have middle scholars and I look at their math and i'm like, did they introduce new numbers because I don't know what's going on ah and so and also like if I looked at the wall street journal financial section, I wouldn't know and I probably know. Pass the class in IT speaking up.

Your specials called the skinner. It's on hou right now. Yes.

yes.

And so this is number eleven. This is the .

eleven special d mazing, that's pretty impressive. Yeah, pretty cold.

Or did he say it's the eleven of twenty two you've decided .

to twenty two years to?

你 举 举手。 What do you see？ I, me. What do you as as a performer? Do you see yourself as you sort of get older that you want to keep making special?

Do you do you like the process of making specials? Or do you get a thing you're like, I just want to act more because the specials i've i've done eleven of them and I don't. Or does IT where's the fire live?

It's all self assignment, right? Like every aspect of this business, right? There's but we have this notion that someone's in a sitting at a counter at a soto shop and someone comes up. It's like you to like steer IT, you have to sit and go. I want to do this and and but what I love about writing stand up is that is something I have control over so it's like, look, I would you know, I would love IT if I didn't have time to do IT as much as I do but uh and I have turned down uh, a fair amount of, I mean, I I love just complex characters and uh you know so if it's a good acting or i'd love you to do IT, but like if it's, you know some kind of silly comedy where I would have fun doing IT, but IT wouldn't be something great a you know, I try not and also I have kids, so I have to be very selective on why i'm being out, why going to money. I do a lot of indies where I make nothing .

like jep on stage of the company shelling .

places like that. absolutely. I tried. That's why were still in new york city. I mean, I wanted my kids to be new yorkers, but also know it's so great. I can just go and do a so, you know, got them or you know, the new company club and then I can be home and, you know, trying to tear the screens away from the kids know.

yeah, your life sounds frequent, perfect. I to come back is so from .

what's your what's your favorite .

non comedy or non business business thing? I know you love gardening.

Yes, I do.

Where do you get a chance to do that? A downtown.

During the pandemic, we got a place in west chester, and so, and they had some raised beds there. And I love that, but I love gardening. And I during the pandemic, I got in the burbling.

I just if i'm talking to like three people in the entertained industry, sub two of you don't drink any longer, but like, but like, so I was like a beer guy. And then during the pandemic, I kind of got to burbo. And I mean, we've all proudly ly been approached.

Maybe you guys have a celebrity, a spirit, but I didn't want to do that. Uh, so but I have a body from lyla. I was I can't because it's some of merge is so bad.

So as I can, we just pick our own and do this and he's like, you might just end up with a bunch of barrels of a bunch of bottle of burma. I'm like, that's fine. So I so I go IT until I eventually joined A A. I guess three year I don't turn .

a proper first yeah .

that's saying I went from beard and then I got into birds like .

saying like I used to do coke and then I kato mean is great is just a starting point.

Well, they always have drink and burden in the morning, but it's it's actual apple juice on the rocks.

IT is just.

by the way, every step of the way, jim, sean will out midwest you in every respect you can believe how from the problem you see how excited was when when we use like and you're from oakmont, right? I'm from twenty minutes away from there. You know, crazy people are from places.

I'm always fascinated that people get out of the place they live to pursue their dreams in other places.

I have for lunch es his shop .

and salary for the .

egg salad right now.

Yeah, I think so. I think it's going to craft and .

trees so you, so you can still eat like you're third grade and a little bit.

I got a cookie pouch. Show the cookie pouch.

I got .

a cooking .

pouch. Here comes the I, no, I thought I was growing up in the midwest. I was I used to look around to be like, I mean, I know I wanted to be a farmer and everything, but like, sure, I was like, oh, I think there's I used to oh, there's been a mistake.

I'm not supposed be here. I'm supposed to be in new york and and then I got to new york and I was like, well, finally, home, you're the most midd western looking guy every seat of my life. So I realized how midwestern I was when I we .

look playing. We look playing. We .

blend midwest. They think sexy. You you tim walls, sexy snap overall .

and let's get after IT .

yeah and oh so honest, how long between now and what are you if you started looking at rascals online, are you like gonna get yeah .

yeah like eating .

your way into a rest right now.

So you put special tires on that make or any spinners yeah, jim, you're the greatest.

Yes, thanks.

Yeah, very nice you .

to spend some time all .

big family yeah next .

state dinner ah you know, when I wake, you know your table, please tip there. I need some of us for the bus .

and will act like, well, is going to .

pick IT up next time, but next i'm going to pick up all the time. Would you if, if forever hear in new york again and we say, hey.

we're gonna go to strip us.

would you join? I told gotham first no.

I love IT because they're certain excuses like when I go out with sign felt i'm like so like Jerry wants me to have pizza and my wife like I understand but if i'm just you know hanging out you know there has to be a reason but yeah and you guys you know very high status wow, sure yeah .

we're worth the cholesterol. I love that.

I'm Jimmy the skinny I the skinny who thanks for being her power. We love you and thanks for making laugh for seventy, seventy five.

Thanks, dude.

Yeah thanks jim.

Thanks, jim. so.

Well, I think you looked twelve. Thank you. That's my opinion.

I can't believe he said that really found .

a very hurt and you know and he started .

him kicked the door down .

with that didn't started right out with that for me, i'm proud to be be for work. And right through that, I could rect the whole interview. But no.

you didn't let IT happen. I love that. I love that he double down on IT.

mr. mr. Neon c, mr. New.

yeah know you. You should send your head shot .

to to learn, Michael, if newsman makes a run at IT on the next next election cycle isn't he's one of .

those guys when you watch him doing a special like you said this and he's so he's so calm yeah like he's not like he's not like a loud in your face.

right yeah you see you just to start with a grand he doesn't even going to be yes yeah .

he's author and he and he's such a nice guy too. He's so nice. Yeah I love .

huge ge fan. Glad we had him. I'm trying to think of a bye. Okay, I looked up selling.

seeing you're honesty. Find by the way look at this photo just got sent.

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back and cheese. You guys jump in .

a cap making. She's so there's like there's via, there's through, there's a cross, there's a long, there's near, there's there's a beyond.

There's also serious to buy. Yeah yeah. Well, but what you did is you spelt IT wrong. The problem. B.

B, Y yell, oh, my god, OK ready. So there is, there is serio.

No, but we need, sorry, you do not understand the concept. You need to put the word buy into the buy. We don't need A D is not onna .

help you get yeah .

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