"James McAvoy"
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This year, this is well, if you're hearing this IT means that something something has happened, which I feared for a long time. This might be the last time you ever hear my voice. And I know someone you are celebrating at that.

But just know, just know that I loved every single one of you the same. You all mean so much more to me. And because because i'm gonna to know that china and Jason don't give a shit about you, they literally said, I said to about them. I said, you guys know how much our listener meat and they said, I don't give to fuck about our lister Jason said that as he slam the door on his european car, anyway, I love you what can do much less?

We had our .

family reunion. I just got in.

Who's ready with .

their coffee chat. Let's hear that. How was IT anything just got back?

Did anybody drink into .

a fight? No, no, no. Some of the family got to meet his niece .

and her boyfriend and understand face time.

We should. We was is .

a thing. Now i'm actually, i'm in my fifties about IT.

You guys talk every .

every night. No, but you do with josh. Josh is getting on .

a face time.

Every just this guy likes to talk on this on his face, time with will and his couch without his top on.

Yeah, he frames himself .

just below the teeth.

Just follow the tea. Yes, weird.

Is he still a plastic on this couch?

No.

just when he talked to you.

yeah, the only takes a break. When the guy comes, the food delivery comes, he was like one second.

Hey, so wait. So how often you guys face timing.

couple times a week.

maybe higher, higher? What you lie to me is, is IT every .

other night? No, no. Say another lie.

You go super lower, super high, or lying, lying.

So, but this is fun for you guys.

You guys stay in contact as your best friends, and you'd like to keep up on each other, other's lives and call into reunions and stuff like that. I'm fucked and sitting here doing nothing.

But what we're take the clip of you for the last ten seconds complaining about IT. We're going to take your facial expression in your tone and they're gona ask you.

would you call that guy 这个 嗯 well， maybe just not face time. See, you don't enough to see the heavy water.

I I paced them with you the last time I face ed him with you last week and you you on and do we want to get to this? You're on a floating, oh yeah.

the poll time yeah no, I remember red. I have a pool. Yeah you know, like, enjoy.

He was floating.

How about this? Two weeks ago, when I went to visit him, he was on a floating in the pool, this house, ordering sushi from the pool.

And I, I like to live a good life every couple of days.

You where to go? Jb, we're trying to get people dissuade people from the the opinion that digs. I don't do you back and you just, this is a .

public pool and down the why this is a public pool. But Jason's defence.

he picked up, he drove to pick up the decision.

No kidding. Yeah, look at you. I want to fit in my face quicker than uber confirmed me.

Where did you? You can go to the place in beverly gland?

Did you? Was a gar fish special?

A box .

down there? IT is IT me or or the sushi delivery? Now .

they've got .

up things. Yeah, he used to be, didn't travel. See through box. Now it's a, now it's a paper thing that's got nice printing.

And yeah, they got little sections on IT.

Now at least get to the guest.

J, B, before you get to your or your anxious.

Yeah.

we got this. Remind a.

are this afterwards for a .

thing afterwards to stick around and listen to right chang .

towards to called goalless as a new show from smartness media, a little podcast company and and we going to tell you all about IT at the end of the epson.

Please stick around. You are right. Tighten up. Yes, here we go, guys. I don't know if you like acting talent, a lot of people do. For some reason.

The three of us simul gic to a being anywhere near our work. But this guy has got a lot of them. And if for nice time, maybe he'll share some. He could also lend us a few of his numerous nominations in windsor his work, which has been well been it's still ruling which she's received well deserved recognition for from all over the world. John, you're gona want to discuss within the windsor in the wonder of projects such as because of nya x man children of doing well, will you be more interested in the subjects covered entitled such as shameless, wanted filth and ultimately attornies he's a Scottish treasure sell to get fc die hard and a recovering video game added please show some compassion and hospitality .

to the one and only James .

mcavoy time going on are you am.

look IT up. I am a massive.

massive and x and things like that.

Split, split is one of my movie. One of the best performance is i've ever seen anybody ever yeah.

thank you so much.

Really .

like seventy five .

character.

Yeah hey, a will. Do you have anything you'd like to say about celtics fc? Or do they go they they mess around with your liverpool?

No, they don't because they play in a different league. First of all, rangers fan. Then i'd be we'd have more of an issue, but but I will say one of my favorite players place for liverpool who happens to be a Scott, a andy Robertson, who I just a door he's amazing .

and is one of the greatest liverpool players of all time. Ah canada gration, not to mentioned them sooner, but canada was also a massive, massive like icon for sale as well. So Kenny dog lish, I had I had .

the pleasure last year I board these guys when I went on my various trips over liverpool and I got to sit with Kenny doggy. I got to sit with with all the last time I went to, when I went to you're gonna k last game he was behind me with his wife. Ye, you watch your manners just .

working on .

fake in your .

you're about making millions of enemies right now. No, this the shows. We're fucking respect to a circuit. I dog sh, the stand of opposite says the schinner ugly stands at liverpool and he's sitting there looking at his own stand. He is a fucking I can do.

De, yeah, yeah. He famously double, but I was lucky enough to be managed by him a charity football event once, like three or four days with them due in this time.

Shawn was managed by a dog left at one point in right.

Yeah, just a couple, just a couple of dogs. And i'm yours.

I love this.

I'm sorry .

joining. I'm going.

guys, this has been like the real metal phone in my career. Thank you for does .

anybody call you Jimmy? Jimmy, yeah, yeah.

I get, I don't get jm too much as one guy who brilliantly is also not brilliantly. He is scotch, but he rather brilliantly. He calls me here because he's called jacky. He calls me jacky. And a couple of may come my Jimmy .

floyd joke. They, where? Where does jackie come from?

I don't know what jokey comes from. Joke is also rain song for Scottish person, because IT sway sock joke.

I really go back to sweet sock .

if you to sweat, if you to sway soak in england, if you're like a company and you're referred to scotch, we would see sweat sock because IT runs a joke. So but he was called joky and for some reason he would call me joky. But then most of my mates, we call me Jimmy floes.

How about that?

Where to .

my favorite .

tbill players? One of them, with handicapping his name, didn't become anything to doing, mind. The other one was Jimmy floyd hassle bank.

And so they used to call me Jimmy, and then he started to call me Jimmy floyd. And then they just dropped a Jimmy, and most of them just call me floyd. And then I ve got one mate from newcastle who calls me Jimmy flaw.

Nobody .

calls .

me shit how I don't .

have a nickname.

do I like?

有 两个 James。 I James, I have a feeling by the in this interview, we're gona have nicknames for each other. I feel feel, I feel like we ve got a real, real quick connection right here, not with the other guys, just James .

mac age now, because it's got a lot of ice and that which I enjoy a sort .

of water in line right now. I did have a cause mall right before we started.

No, you did not. Yeah, I love that. Where are you right now?

I'm in my basement, but ran back .

here in north .

london .

and london. wow.

I don't like that term, but IT is like my little place that I get to come and be. And I got a little sort of one care gym over there and i've .

got about TV .

is where I get stronger as a winker. I really work in my technique. I like try make a harder for myself.

Sometimes I put weight on my hand. sure. But yeah.

know. I would say that you Operate this very unique space where you are such a great actor and you've, but you managed a kind of create you. You stay out of any category.

You're very unique like you've just I know you've got this kind of peta about you. That's very I remember the first time I was like, well, this guy, amazing. I was watching IT was asking a scotland which was years ago. I know fucking anal film, dude. And I was like, fuck is this guy? Yeah, this guy is a fuck at right.

And then you've just every time I see you kind of carve out these different little niches for yourself and you stay at, I don't know, you've got your own lane that you've created, which is really at look, is a lot of people go into a kind of a cookie cut of thing. Is that something you're conscious of? You're constantly going, fuck, I want to do something little bit different. I want to be over here. I want to go over here.

Yeah no, definitely. I look one hundred percent. I i've been really lucky not to just have to play the same kind of thing again and again again. Although literally I have been looking at my fucking career and I been.

I been i'm going to want you to lay down right through this car and just tell you vate your head and just tell us what you're feeling.

Yeah well, I am in my one ker g is where I think about myself generally was looking at myself in that Better.

wait. No, keep gone. You were talking about your career and what?

No, I think my career, and i'm thinking, talking about actions that I love and respect, was doing press junkets for this movie that i've .

got looks so good. I think it's out now.

And so many .

the actors that .

I respect and admire and IT, I wouldn't see. I feel like I don't I don't try to let anyone. I are actors who have repeatedly kind done the same thing.

And even if the plane in a character whose are in a person whose in a different situation or a different scenario, which means the same thing, 呃， it's it's it's the kind of the same guy and everything and yeah, I don't disrespect them for that and yeah, I spent my whole career trying to go like i'm going with this guy, no one to this guy and then locky and then glass. I got to do many guys, all in one, some women as well. So I can makes me call an erection like the fucking in point of playing all these different, different characters when all the actors I really love. Or like a .

really, really good point because I I am also a big fan of actors that I mean, i've really respect character actors that like yourself or like a Danielle day luis, so something that can really more and to somebody completely different with the lymph and thing in all. But but, but I really respect an actor that that can be comfortable with just disappearing and not doing anything except just excuse the term uh, story serving the story and just not not doing any sort of for mance, do you know? I mean, like that takes a lot of talent too and I love those actors.

You know what that is is well, listen and I can put IT down eternal point and good guys, yeah.

that the interview .

starts now guys get found that I definite got an erection yeah.

really talking til you say the words my own career .

next to each other no yeah I did a film when I was in my mid to late twenties, was I can't really see that film is cus. I'm going to end up slag and offer the person and i'm talking about but slag off means bad more than and translated for you colonials. And so was great success.

And and everything went to great. And we got award nominated. We were like, we meant loads of money.

You know that like a you have to use that he comes back to me is like, do I want to do this film with me space on a book and I read the book like of this character. amazing. I get the script to the script and they've chop balls off the character completely. And this incredibly dynamic, fucking diverse, like like acting character yeah that isn't the book is just there's guy who's like are you yeah .

the wide and cries .

a lot and like there's a lot silent acting. There's not a movie act and you know me ah yeah which i've done previously this director to great again to great lame and know that IT was good for me and and we had a chat about IT and I said, well, I don't think it's really captured two years in the broken and stuff and we had we fail that we cannot have a bit of a tit at IT, right? And he calls, he gonna get that you wanted do acting boy.

And I was like, that kind of decision from, I do, you know? Yes, I can do and but then I have this moment at forty five, i've going like, why are all the actors I really admire not doing any acting? And i'm here gone.

Like look at my lip.

look at lip my actions .

and but i'm I like telling the story on purpose. I get pester off doing movie acting. I don't enjoy IT and yeah I do get to watch other actors do movie acting and goal fox bit like.

yeah but I mean, as long as not to over simplify but as long as it's a real and that comes from a real place, who cares about any bit?

It's like, yeah and James, when you say movie after you're talking about smaller sort of leading man stuff, right or you're just IT like, right yeah fact is .

acting this yeah sometimes .

is great. Like sometimes I can watch on name go that full that is real and i'm like i'm there for IT, but nothing acting sometimes IT winds me up so much. You and I want to watch something that gave something like, I person tly believe the origins of performance and the orange of performance are the orange.

The orange of performance are is an the origin of performance. So comes from fucking in human sacrifice. IT comes from sacrificing a goal or sacrifice. A baby are sacrifice in the person and a bunch of people watching IT go and please let IT rain this year. And that's the origin of the, that's the origin of.

And the person is up there getting sacrifice turned into performers sweater blood sacrifice es in something of themselves, whether that's literally their health, their blood, their dignity, their sexuality, their humanity, whatever that is that you're sacrifice. And when you know, on stage or on screen, you got to leave something up there. You got, you got a walk.

I wanted see something sweat lood. And that's not for everybody. Some people wants to watch an action to.

yeah, yeah James.

James and what .

what kind of mushrooms are you on? because.

And we will be right back.

And now back to the show.

And then I know I think there's a lot of truth to what you said. You know, it's funny you are describing that experience working on that film and he said, yeah, I did well, we got all the words and we made lot of, we made lot of money and I was thinking about, I don't need to get too, too heavy about this.

But as you say, that like to me, like isn't funny doing this thing that you do that that one of the Marks of success is if you go to go and do IT to create art, if you will, is how much fucking money had made. And at the end, and maybe i'm getting old right in this moment, IT just occurred to me for some reason that really hit me. Like, imagine that that's a fucking measure of how good something is, is how much fucking money at made.

And then all these people, all of us, me included, consider what we do to be successful, depending amon whether or not made any fucking money. Yeah, i'm not even rAiling against the system. I'm just saying that isn't IT funny. Like sometimes that IT hit you in different times you think.

like is not fucking. Here's my spin on IT because which is maybe IT sense I can try to backtrack, can justify in reverse engineer or something that makes me like i've got more integrity. But oh, I think the I I do what I do and I put myself out there for criticism and not if even if it's a successful piece like not everybody likes that, can you take fucking crazy criticism even in the stuff that people said was good and what that means when you make some money is that fact. People actually want to see IT.

And we found an audience and we communicated and we managed to communicate with people because that's all that isn't the art is just a about communication is to get sometimes you see, when we're making our people go, then they go talking about are what IT means, is we're trying to communicate, or is an attempt to communicate. And if you have made some money, what IT really means is you managed to communicate. Yeah, you managed to find, instead of this nebulous st.

Thing, which is like, yeah, I got this movie on a website at the moment it's doing create at four point five people have seen IT were a wide and it's fucking is out there and you're like that if you can make a great piece of art but nobody saw IT so you didn't get to communicate. And that is something that's becoming harder and harder to do in the cinema. Maybe it's easier to do in the streamers, but is also like this.

Streamers are like this. This like kalia scope of world pools that you're getting built into in each world pull as a thousand things in IT the the algorithms ped you watching? I don't know.

but I think that I think that's fair. I think that's fair. I think that's really fair. It's a marker of how much you were able how many people you're able to connect with, I suppose. And then that makes sense.

How did you how did you get into this game? What was the thing that you come by honestly? Did you have parents on the arts? Or did was IT just .

on your own? I grew up in account list day in glass will called drum chapel council. Is you guys cause not schemes, projects.

So I was in high school was about fifteen and sixteen. We were doing with bath in english. My english teacher knew a director and an actor who does make best. In the seventies in, he came in and talk, I recognized them immediately because he was he was like a movie actually don't like movies with Chris donal and and I was like, i've seen you in vertical limit.

You'd like the bad guy in very ical limit with cking cress or fucking and I was like, wow and then I was like, I ve also seen you and a film with fucked in aron general and he was pretty cool. He took a lot of shit from some of the guys in the class. And at the end of IT, I just went up, said, let's, i'm sorry, but thank you very much for coming.

If you were making a movie again because he was a film director, would you please consider, let me come and making tea or coffee for you and for a week or some of that and he called back months later, and that is that kids there, there send him to the production office. He was making this movie about child prostitution and pornography. Gallagher, go.

And he, he was like, he was the script read IT. And I ready and I went, come in here. What can you try play, Kevin, this Young guy called Kevin savage, and is like, can you make yourself cry? I'd never done any accident at this point.

Well, and I got the part. And by we left the revenues that we found a guy. This is him. And you know what really weird, right? There was a TV show called streets SE, streets SE.

IT was a kid show, and IT was about mountain by careers in london that were made by a sexier one playing and the circus. right? No way.

I love yemen. And I you, I love that. They were like crime fighting mountain bike careers and and I and he was brilliant and did any played sex men. And I was like that andy circus, he was walking the production over, and andy was playing a glass, which in pink with dread logs. And and my first bet of being a professional actor was literally told you're going to play the part.

And then I walked out, and are you actually from glass go you like the real deal? Like from a councillor or yeah and he was like, great comes with me. And he was like, recording me and recording my voice. I was teaching andy fucking in circus from street .

wise for my sister. For my sister tracing was consint. Andy circus is column and lord the rings. He was plan of the if is a great character actor, also a great director, incredible eye, who was the director .

of this film of the child prostitution that they discovered you .

IT was a movie called the near room. IT was a reference to mahadei lego talking about the space that he would go or think before the fight. Yeah, with allegations played on bones.

And and IT was a guy of David hayman, not to be confused with the producer who does, and then many, many things, but Scottish actor, director of philanthropist, and really good, really good actor. But I D said to him and I was not that good in the film. And and i've said publicly quite a few times like i'd love to pay on back. I'd love to be something for him and he sent me something one day and was IT was like this right .

right for me yeah, yeah, yeah.

right. It's not love acting in IT right from that point on.

And then as you kind of built describe for yourself over many, many years and you just kind of kept going up and up and up and up and up and more and bigger projects, projects that have more recognition and audiences are grow and everything is there is something that you learn that was so valuable that you that you can share.

Because I think I looked back when I was a Young, when I was a Young actor, and i'm like, I wish somebody would have fucking told me blank A, B and c, and then you get older and you look back and you wish there's no nobody pulls you aside and said, this is how the business work works. This is how this is what you should be looking for. Like, I wish somebody would had told me, you know.

camera like, pounds or something .

like or just the business side a bit too.

must be driving over a canyon.

When you got that note, we must be using two cameras right now. then.

Oh my god, you guys, you guys are harsh. You guys are friends, right? You guys like each other.

a very old friends well.

but change. So you you didn't really kind of start this super passionate about IT like this. Wasn't wasn't your plan really to be an actor at of the gate? right? What was IT? No, wasn't.

Weren't you gonna maybe be a priest at one point. Is that just a wikipedia lie? No, I really deeper research .

here is a lie that I ve told many other. No is yeah, it's try to make myself like i'm the kind guy you want to corrupt track people. No, I considered being a very specific kind of priest, not a henzy one for the star. I I know just .

last .

year, I thought being a missionary sent a kindle because you get to get you far fung places and do far funk things and and have a great time. I then started to finally find a little bit luck with the opposite sex run, about fifteen and sixteen, when I am not right, selling my my persecuting ality to god in my life. So it's all this is that that took me at that.

I was going to join the navy at one point, and I was going to a, and then I was going to university. And then I said, lesson. I did this acting thing. When I was sixteen, I tried IT for acting school, the one acting school in my town, in my city, and I luckily got in.

And this is the yal. Is this the role? Scott academy music drama form.

they known as, now known as the royal conservative hall of scotland.

And this is this, you you don't just pay ten box and get in to that place. I from .

a country with of socialist democracy. So I luckily I was the last I think I was the last year to have their tuition completely paid for them.

But still I ate some swing in door there, a higher institution.

Yeah, yeah. IT was kind of, I guess I was tough to get in. I was really, I was lucky. I got in my first trip. If I hadn't got in my first try, I might go often done of those other things, you know.

But, but listen, to answer your question shown, I would say there's a couple of things I would pass on. One is try to be more american in terms of what you do is an actor trying create your own work because you guys, I don't we I think it's changing now. But me coming up IT felt like as as Young actors, IT was like you're a hired gun. You're like a carpenter.

This hired in and you guys when I met you guys, you guys when I made you guys back in like two thousand and three, when I first started comment to america, I was like, wow w we you're like, you've got two editions a month and you've got a production company and you've written for scripts and you're like, how do you do this? What do you mean you get development deal with? Uh, I was like I could not believe, but is also growing up within an industry that is accident industry, where is in britain, which is a little bit we feel lucky to be here and we feel lucky to get to do the secret thing that like ah faeries nails get to do and IT feels a bit more like a cottage industry.

Yeah I guess that's kind of what I mean a little bit like do you do like you know being an actor is planning you. There's a lot of work that goes with that. yeah.

But as to your point, a lot of people are realizing the industry is changing. You can have to be all things in order to you have to kind of cultivate your own work for yourself. And so I just didn't know if that was something that you're doing now. Like are you delving into other aspects, directing, producing, writing anything like that?

I'm directing at the moment. I'm Better going to prep from my first film and the twenty.

the first.

which really exciting. But I don't want to produce. I don't want to write. I don't want to do those things. I've done those things in the past and I did not to be my warehouse. Yeah what's .

drawing you to the directing .

control power? Ah ah. Not the paycheck.

Not the .

paycheck. Do you know? I've been looking to tell stories about my own country for a long, long time.

And every single story I got sent was like Greta Scottish drama. Yeah, my drugs. And they can.

Neighborhood grew up in, yeah.

yeah, actually transport would be okay because was an incredibly beautiful, artistic way to tell stories about people who have no opportunities. But likewise, this is a true story, but I just blocked on .

camera. I O.

do you smell? Do you want me tell you when is about yes.

yeah, yeah.

Going to for like forty years there.

Are you in IT? Are you just going .

to I need to be, I need to to get get IT bounded. It's about true story about two rappers from di who wrapped ed about scotch things in their scotch accent. They came down in london in the early two thousands, and they did.

In addition for SONY, they literally got laughed out of the room, even though they were awesome, and they came back like a year later. They rerecorded that all the demos know their back and track with american accents, and they print attended to be these two skate or dudes from from hamet in california. And they got a record deal from the same label that day, oh my god, for thirty five brand. And they got housed and they got given a studio, and they got an N R rep in fortuna half years. They pretended to be twenty four seven, like even when they were not loan together, they pretended to be these two dudes called so and brains and and they nearly made IT they it's credible story but yeah, so that's that's that's a film .

making this is called .

california ah that so good .

way who's doing with you?

Just me on my own with my cam corner and i'm going to shoot on my iphone in my basement and excited we're independent the moment studios.

Can I involve scree Scott?

I one of the guys, i'm to all these guys were like nineteen and twenty. Well.

you hang. I don't know what going this. You get pretty high in a low range there. You can play this. Can you give, give, suggest a little .

bit of rapping? Well.

gotta no, a .

stems.

so so .

I I will do. To do this, I doing the I do. You do the rapping.

I don't rapping. You're auditioning for this. Okay, never mind. Now, James, what about now? Now this film rap.

this film that .

you're going to be directing, the role that you're going to be playing in IT is IT a role that is going to um that is appropriate for you to do uh, sort of character type acting? Or is IT a role that would be more appropriate if you were to do that level of acting? Would you be overplaying the part? Or do you just need to just be a guy?

Or can we see some good hard looks? You just throw about a hard looks.

I think, I think it's going to be some hard look, is going to be .

some more hard look. I think .

I think IT just requires me be kind of me, but I might get nerves in last minute through a limp. I just have .

the guy have a cold to the whole movie. Yeah.

yeah, yeah. I think good idea make because you yet.

first, well, that hard dicks are good. So I don't want want to eat into because you do them really, really well. Have you thought about an I patch this thing?

If I internalized .

the ipad, you will see the .

ipad I wanted talk about first place I know ably, everybody comes up to and says how really like you were in split but I just thought I was I thought IT was like you should have won academy award like IT was incredible performance and tell me you to be played all these different characters because the guy was the fuck in serious person yeah.

But but also these different actions, different characters, and you buy each and every one of them like, to your point, at what they were all real. They were all very real. So tell me about the process and and where you scared to do that. Many different kind of people.

But I was not scared. I got that job pretty last minute because because many be working phoenix, really. I'm drinking physical water guys.

It's all I drink. So all I drink walking. We supposed to do IT. And because he had a relationship with them, like something from like signs village. Yeah and and then I don't know what happens, but like two weeks before they started shooting, he read described something when this I want to and for whatever reason he fell out and so I get the call in hey, you want to read this is super secret.

You've to read IT and then like, give IT back and I was like, cool and they were seen as a salan have been a fan of lust firms was like, definitely IT came me and I thought, this is good, the potential to be really good like you could also go off a Cliff and be really bad but I think that's the case with most really interesting or fun things. They could go either way. That's not a criticism of his material there, by the way.

But yeah, IT was a lot of characters. IT was a lot of work, but IT was well written, and I thought, is good, hard work. And as long as i've got enough time we come up with this, we can figure out.

Oh, but is that I was down in the wire trying to find all the characters? Zs, the last one we found was at the table, read after Jason blum. D flooring in and like people for univerSally flown in the filly where we made the filing. And i'm doing a day where we're gone like we haven't really found the character headwaiter at last .

minute and model IT .

after blood. Yeah I just over time yeah I just .

want to say to bloom, you finally made IT of the podcast. Yeah yes, he's listening.

He's .

listening. He's in the case. We're going to bring him on.

We go I think their company do good things .

for tracing traces in bloom as bloom house, a blum .

b house picture. And he he just this.

yeah, plumbing again. But this new film is a blum house as well, right?

Speak no ever. This new film .

is .

a blum house, is the bloom house. It's like fucking and down to the wire.

the wire and and the director night goes a lesson, I think, for the character of head wig, the kid in the movie, he's like, I think you should do with like a sibilant s and like a lisp. He's like, we say civilian S I was alright. Go do with a sibilant lip and and i'm like, what i'm just gonna row this in to the table, read I was like, are you kids okay and then within seconds of doing, I was like, this was a good call yeah and suddenly the whole character, like came together but not look, IT was a lot of heavy lift in that job but like if you can lift IT then it's a good left you know I mean, yeah yeah you like in my top yeah but again.

for for Tracy. You know, when you shoot a movie it's all out of order. You're you not like taking care.

You do one character, then you're done and then you in James is case you do another character and you're done, you're so you're probably playing what sometimes three or four different characters on the same day, right? And and would you agree that you know you seem to be the kind of a kind of real actor that will find the version of each character inside you? Um and and if that if that is true, then when you're playing in a movie where you're playing multiple characters and basically, you know, going through schizophrenia does IT ever become super taxing on yourself to explore all those different parts of yourselves, try and try to try to be as authentic and as believe as possible, and then turned like triggers and bring these characters open. You you don't know who the how you are. Then when .

you go home .

or you .

just doing a lip.

you you see me then yes, sir, I think there's only really been one time in my career where abroad at home, actually this maybe three times in my career where a brought home. But I do like what you just said. He is always me. Didn't matter how weird IT is or how vache IT looks or how different is seems from my personality, always me there's no become in the character is always me.

There's always is some version of yourself, you know, I think that's all you have to give and and if you if someone of that actually says that but no, I actually do transforming to someone else like i'm cool, but I will believe them to for me it's just you have, as you know too you know body but the only jobs so i've brought at home where my best, because IT was all about losing children for me and that just the whole liming c bath I was apparently not an easy person delivers when I did make both and then and then whenever I played victim. I played victim can twice now, maybe in a danny boy mobile trends and then a movie that I just made in germany. And I I just fell awful bit myself because I was such a victim of circumstances, other people's control, I did not enjoy their experience. And that's the only times that i've ever brought at home me those three.

we'll be right back.

All right, back to the show.

Now in this trailer for speak no evil, you, by the way, you look huge. Like you like, did you go to the gym? Like.

just for this part, who is .

shown? I ve just like my db page. I'm like gg than you. Just no .

five.

seven.

five, five. Sure, you said I just want to say to be noted because it's, to be fair, useless that you often bring bring IT home from a movie. sure. sorry. I mean, craft service you using bring a lot of IT home with your bags.

Yes, I know. I just came home back from a family union. There is all this extra food there. And just like there was like a bag of donas, I grab those, grab a lot of things.

but really.

yeah but but there's always extra food.

And I felt in the bringing a bag of donors.

but playing the bag over their back.

you hug them .

on the woods.

part of how that way.

no way you do.

You do look so buff in that trailer is like, crazy. You look like you worked out crazy. Do you know what?

I didn't do IT for the movie, and I just did IT for the fun. I did IT because we were in the lockdown. We were in pandemic line. I just had my second child. And I was like, you know, I can't let having a child again stop me from exercise and for three years, so I was like, i'm going to double down and I started eaten crazy at food and left and crazy heavy way yeah. And two years later, this skirt came along and I was like, a perfect this word.

yeah, yeah.

Let's talk about when you decide to talk between um um mediums, when you go between um theater and film because you've done an incorrect ble amount of very procedures theatre work and I would imagine that very, very rewarding to you. Um but you also have to pay the bills and your big will be star and you probably enjoyed doing that stuff too. So how do you decide between is there a hym elected maintain or is this just kind of job to job kind of thing?

Rythm is a dancer.

my one. Wonderful, wonderful. That was wonderful.

Rythm, I don't know of this rhythm. Myrie and ruth Young, who have been used since I was twenty, always says, do one for them, do one for yourself. And IT ends up being more a little bit like, do like four for them and do one for yourself.

If I come back in a man to get to do theater, IT has generally, over the last fifteen years, been with Jamie loyd, the same director, again and again and again. And the biggest thing with theater for me is it's a risk because is the most exposing, saying you can do is an actor and you have to go up and sacrifice something every single night. And if IT shit, you're sacrifice and it's like going down like a cup called sick.

And the audience are sitting, they're literally going by. Or there are right, you back and see IT and that kills when that are. So the right where is you make a movie like the audience experiences of that is like time traveling a year and a half in the future and you're not even there like yeah you can get back and you get paid like way Better and it's a different thing.

But it's not IT doesn't have the creative filming for you.

Does IT have the create filming. But I was going to be in a bad play or a bad movie. I'd rather a bad play. It's going to be in a good player or a good movie.

I'd rather in a good what about the time that IT takes the commitment you have to make a head of time to commit to that play, rehearsed IT up and you can't you can't leave until it's done. Like how many how many company really killer jobs have you missed because you've committed to apply and you're like fuck had no way of knowing that scrip is coming.

Now many actually i've missed some killer jobs because I didn't get them. I have missed. But then your career pounds .

out differently.

You glad job that you're comfortable telling us that .

you wish you would have gotten that? yeah. I. And I good night.

Oscar.

The broadway .

show was.

yeah yeah. So I went up for pilots to the catapez when I was nzo. And this is our lando blooms part .

or landa ended .

up getting IT is me I think I remember IT was a guy of paul nickles and orlandi in someone else and I don't even think orlando o was additionally actually I think he was often middle res during that those boys with Peter, jackie and IT was me .

in these two other guys who yeah I think .

I think that and they were .

in the land of murder, but the .

shadows like, yes.

I went in schemes that I felt like, I think I got really close to IT. I ended up haven't to do this cates with knightly. I A tournant was, and we got really close to IT.

And then I never had, but that was one that I was like, I would get to go to like Sunny places and be on ship and dress dressed like with a weg on, and like, like guns that have powder that come across. They are mustang. And like, like john y that ended up being in IT and kilter was amazing. IT was. IT was. And there .

we're like five of them, right?

I know they were like five hundred and and I was I I was kind of got in a bit that I never. But then my career went a different way, and I was so happy with her, my career went that I was very soft, like, totally find about that. But at the time, for a about a year was like, man, the one that got away, you know yeah, there is one more I could tell you bit, just have one .

more, one more. P.

there was a big one. There was a big one in the director who cast me in IT. I'd seen him really early in my career for a small part in a movie playing like the Younger version of one of the main bad guys at the beginning of the movie.

So I don't only be in for like five, ten minutes, but I was like an awesome part. yeah. And I came in for their tradition. And by the end addition, like we shared so much life shirt, he crying, I was crying like the addition and made like the acting was like that went great and as i'm walking at the room, he's like, he's like, I got we're found the guy from the guy. They never even called my agent great wow.

And then when you saw who they cast, did you where you like? Oh, that's that's why I didn't get IT. No, no.

I did know. I did not think of their cases. However, that was like the the tonight's this abuse movie. But years later, there's there's big, huge gazillion dollar movie getting made and they come in me and they go, listen, we would love you.

You meet so and so with this director, if I going to sit down with this director and i'm like, you remember me right? And he's like, no, if we met, i'm like, I love your work and i'm like, no, no, we met and I really a whole study too. And he have a good man. We in tears together. You said the guy and looked at me as I left the room.

I should say, to the .

film three years. And yeah, I was like, I wasn't trying to, like, take him to task. I was just like, do this is funny. We need to talk with this, right? IT took like three years to actually get IT going. And by the time those three years of past I had a kid and this movie was being filmed in the other side of the world, I was like, I am not going out there for a year and half my life going.

But what does Jimmy flaw do on the on the side, like when .

he's none .

acting?

Get my shoes. What do I do in the side? Do you know what is like being a dad and be in a guy home? And I like working out? No.

no anymore. I haven't .

worked out at six months, but yeah, I was doing a lot of .

that before.

Play video games with my kids.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What about, what about? How did you burn? What are your video games? A.

because you are too addicted to IT. I had a real problem. I I don't like talk about IT, but I feel .

like and .

I can make people aware.

maybe I can .

help someone last game to my phone, what do you play? What you I just the .

down we amie and I .

play a lot of I played .

because I played .

with the same .

dudes for like ten years straight, like fucking five nights a week. Men, I know I feel your pain during the pandemic. I had my eldest son was eleven to ultimate.

When how long goes that he was like eleven. I started letting him stay up like two in the morning to put all of duty with my friends and me. And his mom called me. She's like, you cannot let him stay up to find, to play with you and your moronic friends.

right? The note, my friends, they're like, laser dude six and he's also.

these are my comrades. These are my brothers were in work together. These are my friends friend.

So you are your in mission now, or are you .

laps the couple? The first time I realized that had a problem that was making a movie in ireland with an half away. And IT was called becoming jane.

IT was about gene Austin, and then i'm getting, i'm getting home every night in. My wife at the time had bought me on x box in this fantasy role ying game called a oblivion. The eldest girls fucked in entitled a living, because that's what I was taking my life.

And I remember getting home from work like seven, eight, or like nine, one of those crazy hours that you get home at the movie business. And I order a pizza like a too later bottle of coke, or, as we call IT in scotland, a too later bottle of ginger. Any, any soft drink, physical soft drink, can be called ginger too.

IT bought you on .

a pizza hut and and I stick in of living in and I go to a blog in, and then I just member going, I just play for five minutes more, play for five minutes more. And then my driver has waited to take me to work with six thirteen in the morning. And I was, and this is like, not the first time that happened on that job either.

And I was like something that change. I press the eject button in the CD comes out the destroy I over to the gave and I turned the gas i'm standing that's going, I am going to am I going to like, fall in love with jan Austin? I am like, cause, you know and and then I just drop up on the gas over and I just watch IT mail and then I know I walk to wait.

tom, yeah. I mean, it's a real thing like people.

it's your bottom is only when you decide to stop digging. I mean.

but the pandemic, I had the same thing as human. I had like three bodies. We all went a guys. You would just get like a SHE wk, get like a, like A P S force and all play some shooting game. And like two years later, like john, john A.

I know got so fucking crazy and then I recently had in one of my friends say, hey, we're still playing like .

I know i'm never going.

I so you .

manage, you managed to find a the .

right size for IT size .

for my addition. Yeah, no, you stay up until done anymore, are you?

No, no, no, no, no. There had to be a cap. Do you know what? To be honest, I came back from a job in germany where I did a lot of because I was just on my own and I didn't have my family with me and that was quite good.

And I bought a little laptop to make IT like portal since i've come home and i'm getting any right and i'm all there's just no time for IT. It's been kena gods. But because this time to be an adult.

what me is me is called .

you email.

Yes, like during the pandemic.

IT was running around for dance, getting killed by, like, twelve year old guys in china.

How crazy was that when they did that? That first, what they call the big map that they drop during the pandemic, the for thanks. Yeah, yeah, there was fucking crazy.

Wasn't IT razi IT. But within a month, those kids were so good at sniping that you couldn't even last a minute. Landing would be dead.

We wear, we were bad at that game. For two years, my school and I were, the name was k chock. There was, there was because there was a pandemics.

One of them name themself, touch a flu, and then, and then the other one was sever severe shock. Oh, and I was, I was Walker jane, which is a chartered, and I played, and I can and middle class in new york place once. And I like those people going like, i'm gonna kill you, severe shock, kill you touch, i'm gonna get you walk .

a je way IT was so big.

but yeah, no IT was. And you know what iphone is? Well, right, i've been passed with those guys since my early twenty. And what was really special about IT was that we'd run around good. Like.

fuck can help john support me.

So when did you say that? You got that proceed done? Oh my god, I never knew that about you. And we would just like, in a way we never had.

yeah, you know, what is finny you? That as much as I start really against the two, and I do love gaming, is that I stay connected to a lot of guys. We have this crew of us, the clown crew.

We're still in a on a tech chain that we've been on since two thousand and seven and that we all play this game together. And these guys know and Jason is specialist because we did a few things in the gaming thing and it's like me and gals who goes by kid lightning and mark who goes by form and beast. He's known as beast to all of us.

They all call me window because my hand was window. Leave because he named out my favorite hockey player. And we we've had so many moments I was texting with the guys this morning, our buddy Jerry, who we also called gary for no reason.

Gary just had a second kid. And we're all congratulations among the thing. And we all know each other from the gaming thing. And so there is a community thing. It's really.

I don't know you remember well, you try to get me like years and years and years ago, well, try to get me in one of those groups. I played for maybe seven minutes. Yes, and I couldn't exit the thing.

I just would get shot like everything of him right away and I couldn't figure out. Like, so I love trying and love and start again. And I come out with these guns and everybody just like, I just be dead in two seconds.

But there is. But IT is a good way to connect. And part I, I, I do like that part of IT for sure.

We were so bad at IT for years. We never got any Better. And that was a lot of fun. We have .

laugh our asses off. I love that, James here. A lot of fun. We've laugh with and share your time, my friend um very nice to get to know you. Yeah, fans of yours is really .

cool to meet you.

Have a great time directing.

Yes, I talk about you all the time. I just think you're an incredible actor.

Thank you guys speak no evil. Uh out now. Um IT is is from the great Jason bloom directed written by James watkins. Everybody .

speak no evil.

Check IT out.

Thank you. Nice guys. Thanks a million. Seriously love your stuff. And as performers actually right as director, he's a fucker .

and amazing in the trees was really, really great. Thank you.

Thank five body.

wow. Hey guys um we're back. We're back. We're back from commercial. Hi do do commercial .

after do remember hearing a commercial play right?

right? So guys, I was changed my acco boy and you know learning I got to i'm not buying the accent. I think you can .

need to work .

on that really yeah I mean nothing from date ohio um and he's .

been working on I yeah no, he he's great though. Like that's going about narnia lying which in the world job I was sex man.

I mean excelling.

I know I know i'm not like a massive .

x man thing .

like I think .

I I I I like IT. I just I just never talked into. I mean watch them on their great i've just i'm not a rabid fan, serious.

But yeah the narrow things, I wish those that for the witch, no, so he played the fun. What was his name? Tummy sticks, something like that. And didn't you guys like that book when .

you were a kid? Of course .

read .

IT of the I read .

the whole series. They were fucking great ah when he popped down, I was like, oh, i've actually always wanted to meet him and so I got to .

meet those ooks. Uh.

A C S. Lewis, nice. yeah. thanks.

Hey, William, you still doing that book club thing?

Yes.

ones that launch club self.

I don't know. We are going to do, yeah, we are we are going to be launching the smart list. It's been a time thing, but we are going to do the smart list book club. yeah.

Because if you mention a book, I will read IT and talk about IT.

Yeah, yeah. And J B, thank you for something us over those book records from your pal from Laura um which is um always it's .

nice to get book records yeah because you don't want it's .

it's like television records or movie of um and he kind James kind .

looks like if his leger had a baby with jude law.

right you know I was thinking he looks he looks a lot like josh churls, our friend josh churls.

You guys know josh? Oh.

he does remind me and dial actor because he's .

from ball tomorrow is a wonderful bloke wertman they don't. But you is okay. I think there might sometimes that man of, or that jme Jimmy flow is flow to my flow.

Yeah, he's got something .

about a distance he just called very down to earth. He's got a real sort of authenticity to which I I like, I .

like very .

much.

You can hang .

out with that .

guy and hard hanging .

every single time.

please. I have a lot of comments for people who walked by, you know, a lot fucking. Every every .

time he he plays a different character, I totally.

but we .

really snuck .

ked that .

one up on a shy boy. Nice go on.

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decided about IT too. But yes, here's what's good. Yeah, john and I are much more sort of like the a bit more of the typical american audience that does not know as much about sw correct, as you do. So you have taken that into account with the way in which you've gone about developing this podcast. Yes.

I brought in, I wanted introduce you guys to the great, the great. Howard.

yeah, yeah. russia. Russ Howard, Russell.

Howard, hello. yes. Ruses here. So rush, i'm to let you describe goalless because football is my soccer.

What everyone, equality is my passion. I love him. But you are because you are even more passionate and grown up in this media. Go head russel ward.

And also, by the way, for my sister Tracy, one of the most successful stand up comedians in the U. K.

And not related to ran, just just to be clear.

just to be not to run yeah I stand up comedian from england and I was thank you, thank you. I was given the opportunity to do this podcast about football, and basically it's going to be, look at late night sp show about soccer, football. What if you want to call IT are going to talk about the champions league. We're going to be interviewing, expose current prows celebrities to the light. Football is everything you can have have banned.

I don't have a band now we get one of those. okay. A that if .

that's the first .

complaint .

of the show is good, there's a lot of things. But with the brand.

yeah you're going to be championing jh on champions. Lee is the is, is the a tournament that they do yearly of all the top. Basically, in the essence, the top four teams from all the domestic leagues all over europe in the U.

K. Play against each other in midweek games throughout the year. And finally, in the spring, they narrow down, they started in group play and they get to elimination.

And will, and by the way, russia will, has got me excited about socks. So I actually have yes.

chinese like football is incredible.

At some point though at some point we're onna have to figure out so you don't have to keep saying soccer, I mean football over and over. We have to figure out what to call them.

But anyway, i'll call IT sock a few people I don't like just at home. I can if I say foobar, if you know.

But this past, can you listen to all over the world though? right? So what you do, prioritize the american audience, the global audience.

Would you do see the numbers .

ever listen .

to get.

by the way, the notion that sounds like some P. A on Jason said, what is like for lunch like, I don't know Jason lucky ly me along this a lot of objects know we've been through this. We had David, we have a vivid back on, I think we're talking about, you know, that soccer actually in english term. Yeah, yes. So you know this well.

exactly. But I was wherever we wanna call IT, but I can't call IT socket. IT would be like calling my mom mommy right right? He feels IT gives me the but you know .

you the british acts and covers you. I think any time you say football people think you mean socket because that you you .

exactly and will just be it's not like not only do I love foobar, but it's such an innately funny spot like the support is a hilarious I didn't if you do, if you've never been to a low football game .

in england, if you go .

on being the best, do you learn there are website. And to learn before you get to a game that's such you .

could point because I like, they must make up in a pub and home. And so there must be like football hooligan on to a sort SAT there in accounts of like going or looked to me for the changes. Here we go.

You are going home and ambuLance and I learn about things I take are of that's like me too. No, not just the smarties. Like.

well, well, red phania, you're liverpool. Yes, the same here hard court I happened i'm new where obvious ly to IT is .

only been like ten years for me wo yeah what .

you in what in my friend of the podcast chappy mark chapel lives and here's a champy mention. He got me into IT like ten years ago when we we're working together and i've become full and now I look i'm into honest lot of so happy there and but you're gona club has been my hero, my north star for years now. I had the opportunity with them a couple times in last year.

Coaches just been incredible.

Yeah, i've and i've gone out of my way to learn some of this song, some of the from parents turkey. We fcl of the road. We are the supporters, and we come from .

liverpool.

How do you learn?

Is on. But this, the front that will all be been in a shower.

you get out to show your housing course you up who gets to .

decide what songs are going to be sung on what week like. This is point because .

I know they're often really funny. Remember there's a brilliant story of the rangers goalkeeper andy goran who um basically came out and said he was a schizophrenic and his own crowd that week started change the only two anti .

germs .

to oh my god so it's just what I mean with football of galaxy around naturally pittaway like moments at a football grain happen with the crowd like footballers get abuse like on on a stand up comedian. The hacks you get on nothing compared to football are remembers seeing I went to a boat city game. I know if I can. This is there was maybe about five hundred people there IT was boxing day, and the they were IT was a pretty much warm up, and the goalkeeper was quite a heavy set lad, and he was just getting one of the balls out of the net. And he looked at this kid, he must have been about eleven, and he said to have a good Christmas and this little kid, when looks like you did .

your .

that cant and there .

is no there's no world in rich that's a lot like, yeah this this poor going just had to take IT from year old kid and it's the kind of .

flavor and spice we want to get from you a weekly days.

So he was so fascinating. And if you've never been to a football game, you remember taking my wife to watch liverpool, paris and german. And he was just fascinated IT all the sort.

French football fans took their talks off and they going to swing them around and IT. It's like this weird church that just goes crazy unfilled on european nights. So .

basically that's what the I I mean.

I think I went so sorry, sure, but I was going to say that kind of that vibe that you get. Remember like I said, remember that just a couple months ago, as at at end of field in sitting in watching, I think maybe I told you guys to start watching so kind of dog sitting right beside me with his wife and how many times they've been the end field he as a player in the manager of and and then singing.

never walk.

never walk alone and his wife dabbing your eyes. It's so much well.

he's an incredible man as well, is incredible to get serious the hills for disaster a lot. Liverpool support has died. He went to every single funeral when he was the manager.

Yes, every single one. And so so the club is, you know, it's in his bones. So I think that song, you know, really takes into a Better place.

IT is beautiful. The whole stadium things that, by the way, we're sitting there and and the the stand opposite us is the circuit doggy stand and he's sitting back like is just incredible.

But he is a bit harsh that they don't let him .

sit in his own stand. I Better he gets to look. He has to look at IT, you know, Jason and I share an office once, and i'd had and and there was a big long office, and I had this show from a show. I was in there a lot, and I had this huge his commission. I feel like I I want to be in the first with I, A huge pain of myself from a show. And one day when he was, I had to put IT behind my desk, behind what I said, tell me one day, why did they put this fucking painting of you? I go because when i'm not there, you still get to look at me, you know?

I didn't remember remember doing that years ago. I had loads of kind of posters of very stand up shows that i've done. And I kind of thought what would be a nice thing to have them.

And then I put them up in this room, in my house. And then as soon as I put IT up, I just realized such, because IT just looks so weird. And arac, after you've ever think that mtv cribs, epsom mori Carry where you go to lot, of course. And SHE reads all the, the, the trial fans just right what .

I say .

what but at least we have .

you and is you in Chris thing as well as that's right yeah.

he's a cbs commented, yeah, he's a funny guy and he knows loads of football .

now this would be, this would be just to be .

your side kick .

continue .

with the late night show analogy yeah yeah .

his Priced he's got all the knowledge and we just kind of a riff and then we'll have gonna celeb guests and it's gonna icicles be a dream job from. Well, if you're gna .

be the first guest.

i'm hoping will be a guest if you'll ask.

you're waiting for someone to reach out.

I can reach out. right? News, make news. You can talk to me a because i'm just love .

to talk to you. Would you have you booking? Have you ever played at home field? That would be my first question.

I've never, i've never played. I ve been .

on the save for the show.

Yeah, yeah, don't get .

yeah you know me getting a rubb down after a match okay. And and I had was the china rio. Did you just go through .

the planes?

This one fucking truck wouldn't move. And I find a clip. I angle, I had Darwin unions walked by and basically give me high five holding a towel.

He was just in a towel.

I mean, you in the change match that must have, have felt so awkward. IT was very awkward.

What do you do in the? Because basically they are all having a shower and, you know, just .

waiting .

with .

a stack of to look games. I appreciate. That you in the shower I got in the shower, I know I should .

have music guest if i'd been in the shower no, but there's so much to talk about the foobar, as you said rustly. It's so endless the stories and that's what drew me in the football, how I became at, I love sports, but I became football. And once I started to understand the stories of who this manager was, who this player was, and stuff that's actually went up, and I watching all the documents series about the various so we want to bring on goals, kind of bring listeners and so they can start to understand the culture of football. F sock .

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I love to bring you a me and sure you well but no.

no, I could probably get another one. But to be on this will be down in the showers. Yeah, just getting them ready. Just getting the temperature ready.

Anybody ready?

Yeah, just put in the railway. 对 上。

Russell, thank you so much for your time. So excited for gold can be great.

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