"Jake Gyllenhaal"
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I'm here, I'm here in the room. Just, I'm just being as quiet as I can. I'm so excited to be on the show. So excited. Oh my God. Welcome to SmartLess. ♪ SmartLess ♪ ♪ SmartLess ♪ ♪ SmartLess ♪

So Will's got a different background because he's out of the country. Specifically, our northern brother or sister. Yeah. We may have talked about this before, but when you go home, do you sleep in your old room? I sleep with my parents.

Because it always gave me comfort to get in between them. Mommy, daddy, cuddles? Yeah. No, I don't stay here. Settle me. Could you ever live there again?

In Toronto? Yeah. Yeah. By the way, I could... Will, do you have a second piece of gum you could put in your mouth for the record? Just to get it in stereo? This is actually true. I know. I just realized... That'd be great. I heard it myself. Thank you. So we're recording now, you're saying? Yeah, it's an audio medium. It is an audio... Okay, got it. You know, Toronto is very... It's a great city and I could live here and there's so much stuff I love about it. The problem is it's very gray from like November to June. It's Chicago. It's basically Chicago. It's...

I think it's grayer. I think you get more gray days. It's just where it sits between the great lakes, et cetera. We don't want to get into Ontario weather patterns, but it is gray. Otherwise, it's awesome.

So you think that that would make you somewhat blue, kind of like what people talk about in England and stuff like that? I don't know. Yeah, I think... I like it. Yeah, I do too. I think it's so cozy, right? But you know, in England, it rains and stuff, but you do get sunny days. Toronto, it's not even that it gets a lot of rain, it's that it gets a lot of cloud cover, specifically. And I think at a certain point, you just...

You know, it's reminding me once I had this dream. You do have the maple leaves there, though, so doesn't that offset it a bit? I do have the maple leaves here. I'm really excited. You're in town for some hockey, right? I'm in town. Yeah, this is going to come out way after, but I'm in town for the All-Star game.

I had a great night, dinner last night with some of the boys from a hockey podcast called Spittin' Chicklets. Oh, is that right? Oh, yeah, with Biz and Ryan Whitney and the boys. Oh, right on. Spittin' Chicklets. And it was so super fun, interesting dudes, really, really funny. We had a lot of big laughs.

That's fun. That's going to be fun for you taking part in that all-star weekend, right? Aren't you managing a team with Connor McDavid? I am. I'm like the celebrity co-captain. Guys, I can't wait to talk to our guest today. I can't wait for you to talk to our guest today. He's considered one of the finest actors of his generation. Wait to shoehorn that in, Sean. I can't. Listener, he's holding up a shoehorn. Okay, don't worry. My dad's got two on his desk. Smell them.

Why do... He's, by the way... Sorry, I'm sorry. Cut it. Why do you have those? Can't you just use your finger? How many times have you said that? Ask my dad. I'll get my dad in here. He's got two. All right, sorry. Sorry, guest. Rigo, listen. I'm not trying to highlight whatever his stuff is on his desk. Nice. Guys...

I've turned out like a carrot top. He's so giddy that he's at home. He turns small. I know. He just feels comfortable, doesn't he? Still holding his teddy bear. I do. Anyway, here we go. Let's not keep him waiting any longer. He's very busy and he's a huge major global star. And he's much younger than us.

He's not just a Hollywood royal, but he legitimately comes from, and I did not know this, real Swedish nobility. It's true. Oh, whoa. A man of many talents. He's fluent in French, like Will. He's musically inclined, like me, and loves to cook, not like Jason. He even made an appearance once making pasta with Mario Batali on Food Network's Molto Mario. It's my favorite just-on-screen homosexual. The brilliant Jake Gyllenhaal. Jake Gyllenhaal.

Bravo! Hello, Jake. Hi. Oh, it's been a long time. Jakeula Gyllenhaal.

There he is. Oh, you have the whole name. I don't know. Is it really? Is Jekula the long version? It's Jekula. Yeah. No. Count Jekula? You know, Jake, you've probably heard this before, but I have so much trouble spelling your name that in the Google search, I just put G-Y and it comes up. Yeah, they're like, we got it. It's easy like that. Well, Jake, wait, are you still, do we still live near each other? Where are you at?

We don't. I mean, I moved to New York. Ah, you lucky man. You lucky man. Didn't we go up, what was the name of that dog, Runyon? Yeah. Jake is a world-class bicyclist. Are you really? Which comes as no surprise to anyone who's seen his silhouette. Yeah, have you guys known each other because you both grew up here and...

No, how did we get to know one another? I mean, we did live near one another. We had some mutual friends. We hung out for a bit. We did some bike riding for a bit. And then I gassed. Jake kept going. And I think I might- You're one of the best dissenders that I've ever-

I could get into a tuck like you. That is the world's greatest backhanded compliment I've ever heard. Nobody goes down a hill like you.

There are circles where that's a very positive thing. We're not in one. That's really funny. I will never forget that. Are you able to bike in New York? No, there's not as many bike riding opportunities, right? You're doing something different.

Yeah. Everybody bikes in New York. Yeah, you can ride bikes in New York. You can ride along West Side Highway and then up West Side Highway pretty far. I'd be scared too, though, because of the traffic and people driving like crazy. And the potholes, right? The roads are all torn to shit for weather. I always rode my bike. That's how I got around New York. But not these kinds of bikes. These kinds of bikes are like, you know, sports car level performance tires. And you go over one little bump and they'll pop.

Well, there's sometimes where like we would – my friends would go in the Central Park, right? And you'd take the West Side Highway and then you'd have to cut in. And when you cut in, that's when you have to deal with about probably, I don't know, 15 blocks of pretty heavy traffic because it's the center of Manhattan. And then you get into Central Park and you do the loops. Right.

It's still crazy there, too, because depending on the time, there's all these people walking, crossing, and all that stuff. Yeah. Tricycles and wagons and stuff. Even on the weekend, yeah, when they shut down the roads and stuff, you got like a million ding-dongs and everybody's like tripping on acid for the first time in their life. And you're like, let's go trip on acid in Central Park. People are like, that's where I did it. I'd give anything to hang out with a million ding-dongs. Yeah. I know you would.

Oh, Sean, let's take a minute. Just like a ball pit. Well, Sean, if you could fill a ball pit with any snack, what would it be? Oh, my God. If you could fill a ball pit with any snack, what would it be? Just ask the great descender. Spaghetti. Old snacky descender wants to know what you'd fill your ball pit with.

- Jake, what I was gonna ask you was, because we're talking about cycling, like high level, like not just, yeah, I used to ride my bike, but I had a beat up piece of shit and not doing it for necessarily to get in shape.

And it occurs to me, obviously I've seen so many promos for your new movie where you look like you're gonna fucking beat the whole world up, Roadhouse, and it's unbelievable. - It looks amazing. - It's unbelievable. - That's not the first time he's been fucking stabbed. He keeps himself tight. - I've seen you in shape before in other things, and every time I have nothing but envy, I'm like, this motherfucker looks so good. And then what occurs to me is like,

Have you, and now we're talking about cycling, have you always been into fitness your whole life? Forget getting in shape for the movie and being a super ripped fighter and crazy. Have you always been into exercising, staying mobile, playing sports, doing that shit? Yeah, always. I mean, my dad- Really? Yeah, my dad was super athletic. He still is. He would wake me up in the morning-

doing yoga in front of my bed. Oh, boy. And then he'd be like, let's go for a run. Hey, Dad, can you turn the down dog just 180 for me when I get up, please? I don't want to be bulldogged, right, when I get out of bed. Bulldogged. It's a technique of waking one up. Yeah. But, like, it was definitely... Bulldogged.

It was always perpendicular. Let's just, it was never. He's a kind guy. I didn't have a lot of space in the front of the bed from the room as growing up. So he, he used what he had, but he, he, he would wake me up and we'd run and he was always very physical and he always sort of would,

Like, I remember we'd do, like, maybe a mile and a half run when I was a kid, and he was always so encouraging. And then by the time we got to the end of the last block, he would always be like, you've got to, this hurts me, you've got to run, you've got to sprint, like, sprint this last block. And we'd run, and then we'd run up the driveway. Remember the driveway, we'd just, like, I'd be dying. We'd be like, go, go, go. He'd always let me win. And so... Wow. Interesting. Yeah. We have this about Sean. I guess Sean's dad was really good at running, too. Ha ha ha!

He'd just try to do it before Sean got up and it would be in a car. It was just one direction. It was just one direction. It would be descending. Yeah. He'd call for when he got to. Running away. No, that's interesting. I used to run with my dad every single morning too. Did you really? Yeah. He'd wake me up every single morning and then I got old enough where I. You were an old kid? Yeah. And I'd start to sort of like complain when he'd wake me up and start to say, no, I'm going to sleep in this morning.

And I was old enough where he'd say, well, all right, goodbye. And then so it stopped for a while. But then, like everything you learn from your parents, you end up revisiting it and absorbing it when you're older. Like now I run every day and I listen to classical music every day. And I'm becoming my father, which is great. That's so interesting. You know, my brother, my oldest brother, because I didn't have him. What's the opposite of interesting? Sorry.

I was going to actually say that's sort of like a preface to what I was going to say, but then I just stopped. And then when it stopped, I was like, oh, that sounded like that was definitely not interesting. I got the boring handle. I got you. No, because I was going to say it's interesting because my dad loves classical music and likes to exercise too. So there you go. We should hook them up. We should. That's wild. We absolutely should. Sorry, I asked that just not related at all to what we're talking about. No, absolutely.

Go ahead, Sean. You had a question. No, I was just going to say my brother used to wake me up at like four in the morning just to work on my legs because I was so skinny. Yeah. Oh. Like squats and stuff? Yeah. Just legs. Wait, wait, wait. At four in the morning. Just legs? Yeah, just legs. Every morning? Just legs? Can we get another shot at that sentence? Can we just start again? Can we? It's true. It's true. It's true. That's like not okay. I know. I was exhausted. Every day. What do you mean? Just legs.

Okay, so... What are you talking about? I want to know this thing. By the way, I'm going to ask all the boring... Yeah, you have him do squats in the middle of the night. By the way, have you seen Sean's biceps lately? I mean, this is honest. I gave his little arm squeeze, what, Sunday. Yeah.

it's, Will, it's almost as big as yours. He's stacked. Sean is like crazy built. I worked out a ton. That's interesting. People cut me because I'm in the Gyllenhaal category. A lot of people refer to me, they call me JG on the side. But,

But Sean, are you fucking, are you lifting? No, I worked out for 20 years, like really hard. And then I was just, now I'm exhausted. Now I just eat. Look, I have a bunch of questions for Jake Gyllenhaal. Okay, sorry. Sorry you don't want to talk about your physique.

No, so Jake, I'm going to ask you boring questions that I'm sure you've answered all before. But I did not know this thing about the noble, like nobility Swedish thing. What's going on with that? I don't really know. I don't know. It's a pretty convoluted story that I've been told too and that I've heard. I do, I'm a descendant from some form of Swedish nobility. They're...

Yeah, that's about all. Your great-great-grandfather was like. Did you find this out doing one of the heritage tests? No, I've known it. We have like a coat of arms, you know, like. What? Yeah, we have like a coat of arms. That's cool. But I don't think he was really, I've done a little bit of digging. For a long time, I thought that he was like a king, you know, like a descendant. I was descended from like that kind of royalty. Right. But more and more as I did research, I realized that it was, he actually was like a,

cataloger and collector of beetles and he worked for really yeah i think so i don't i look i may be oh boy like a hoarder or yeah sort of a form of hoarder um no i mean he collected them he pinned them you know he was like uh you know he you know those those beautiful you know those those things that they do but he was a scientist i guess and then he was like knighted oh

for his scientific work. Yeah. And then I think that's how. Now, how much time have you spent there in Sweden? Anything at all? I have never been to Sweden. Excellent. What? Do you have any desire to? It's great. I do. I'd want to go there for Christmas. I've been a few times. And? It's amazing, right? It's amazing. It's amazing. It's incredible. Do you have family there, Jake?

I have extended family there, but I don't know them. There was a man named Herman Gyllenhaal who actually I met who came over from Sweden that was in contact with my dad. This is not the bug man. It's not the bug man, but he is a descendant of the bug. Yeah. And...

And he came and visited us. And he was the one who tried to bring us all together, Americans and Swedish. Oh, really? I have some distant family in England that I haven't seen since I was a tiny, tiny kid and others that I've never even met. And I feel guilty about that, I think. But then it's also like...

there would be, if you went down that lane, there would be hundreds potentially of people that you are somewhat related to that you have not yet met. And how do you guys feel about that? Well, I was going to say, and I don't, you know, I want you to take this the right way. Here it comes. No, I do. But if you think about it,

If you think about it, you're a person who's in the public eye, and so obviously they probably know who you are, especially if they share your name. They could get in touch with you if they wanted to. I have to agree with that. So it's on them. Thank you. Transferring guilt. Sean, moving forward. Sean, real question, real question. What do you think your dad's new name is? LAUGHTER

Can we talk about what a great descender Jason is for a second? Because I feel like we've moved off that. And I really feel like we should go back to that. Yeah. I just want to, I just want to, I actually do have a compliment here. Oh, no. I want to hear it. I want to say that, like, I was so, it is scary to go down a hill really fast. It really is when you're on a bike. It's not like, it's not for the faint of heart. I can't believe we're going back to the bike. And I realize what a badass he is.

Yeah. I just don't think I've ever fallen before. I think I just need to fall once and I'll be riding the brakes. Yeah, but I was like, this guy's nuts. Like, you were going so fast. I remember just being like, whoa, he's gone. Like, no concept of speed. Are you going down like Loma Vista? Are you going down Cold War? No, like Mulholland. We went down Mulholland. I remember there were cars. It was crazy. You were just like, see you later. Oh, that's right. Right by the Hollywood Bowl. Yeah. Right. I was like...

It was so fast. It was so dangerous. And I was deeply impressed. I really was. You know what's scary? I know a few boys, a few boys, a few guys. I sound like Sean. I know a few guys who got really into cycling, including my brother-in-law, Eddie, and a couple other guys I know who got severely injured doing that kind of super... Like...

Well, and that's why, Jay, correct me if I'm wrong, that's why one shaves their legs, right? In the anticipation of the inevitability. How does that stop your head from getting crushed? You mean generally that's why anyone shaves their legs or you mean for? No, bicyclists, because you are going to fall. You're going to fall and you're going to slide across the asphalt. And if you don't have any hair on your legs or arms, the skin does not ball up.

as much and cleaning it becomes less painful. That's correct, right? I've heard a lot of things. I think that's true. I also think like...

I mean, being aerodynamic, which is sort of a weird thing. But I think there's like, there are a lot of superstitions. Like I've heard superstitions from cyclists who are like, they're allowed to eat cheese, but it can't be melted because it has like more calories or something. I don't know. There's all these weird things. So I don't know. I mean, but I do think also if you're going to wear spandex that tight, like, you know, you don't want to have like hair pants. You know what I mean?

- Oh, you mean the hair coming through the spandex? Yeah, not a good look. - And also just like hair pants, like it's just like spandex and hair, you know what I mean? Maybe that's something, you know? But yes, the scab thing is true. - I thought it was excessive, Jay, 'cause I remember you talking when you first got it, but I thought it was excessive when you started getting Brazilians as well, because I was like, how is this helping? - And I saw that when you were descending and I was like, that was not necessary.

I can go ahead and ride the saddle. Yeah, I don't need to arch and offer. I love that. Right as you sped off into literally warp speed, I was like, what? You don't know how you're going to land. You don't know what's going to hit the pavement first. And who's going to see what. Right.

Needless to say, I'm no longer on the bike. I've sold the bike, Jake. I'm embarrassed to say. But I still have a huge drawer full of the funny outfits that I'm happy to sell to you on a very, very fair rate.

Jake, I want to know about you growing up. Jake, are you the right size? Would you fit into an old man's extra small? I did invite Jason just this year to a bike trip, actually. I reached out to you and invited you to a bike trip. It sounded very, very, very good. Can you say where you went? This was overseas, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I went to the Alps. Yeah, I went to the... I was in the Pyrenees. Yeah, we climbed like...

Climbed the Alpe d'Huez, we climbed the Glubier, we climbed Mont Ventoux, we did this crazy six-day trip. This guy's a specimen, you guys. Wait, wait, wait, you went to the Pyrenees? You didn't go to Andorra, did you? It's the one place I want to go is Andorra. Yeah, no, it was, we were in like, we crossed over the Pyrenees and we were in Provence and then we climbed, the last climb we did was Mont Ventoux, which is like, I think it's about 2,100 kilometers and then it's like 11% incline the whole time, which was one of the most...

physically challenging things I've ever done and also such a incredible experience and and really like it was yeah it's sort of inexplicable speaking of like tripping it you just by the end you're just pushing to the euphoria yeah and did did you make it did you did you did you did you make it okay like comfortably did you throw up afterwards what is your was your saddle uh aching um I uh

The first one we did, the Alpe d'Huez, I've ridden before, once before. I rode it like maybe 15 years ago. And I had been working, so I hadn't been riding my bike a whole lot, but I had assumed that I'd be like, okay, I kind of know. And one of the things...

One of the things that I think is really important is more mental, like how much pain can you handle? So I was like, okay, I'll be fine. And when I arrived, we had guides. We had two guys, ex-pros. They were great guys. And then my good friend was with me.

And he had been training like secretly. And I had been trying to get on a Peloton like for... Right. I had just been like desperately trying. I hadn't been on a bike. I was just like for a week, I was like, I'm just going to go really hard on a Peloton. I'll be fine. Not applicable. When I arrived off the train in France, the two ex-pros looked at my friend. They're like, well, you're ready. And I was like, wait, what? And I...

And so the Alpe d'Huez, we got up there and I bonked halfway up the Alpe d'Huez. Meaning you just ran out of gas? I just ran out of gas because you can't like, what happens is, is your body just can't, you just run out of glucose. Oh. And we will be right back. And now back to the show.

Have you ever ridden with Lance Armstrong? Yes. And how'd you do? Did you keep up? No, I did not. No. I mean, like when, when he wanted to let me keep up, I kept up. Right. I, I, I watched one of those, one of those doc series about the guys climbing the Alps that was on one of the streaming services last year. Yeah. You told me to, I watched that too. Yeah. And I think like sort of 20 minutes less into the first one. I was like,

Motherfuck, this is hard. Like, how the fuck do you do it? The one thing I don't understand, Jake, is why can't the seat be more comfortable? Why does it have to be so hard? Yeah. You know, because, like, you do lose circulation. It's so hard, and things just go numb, and it's not comfortable. Like, if it could just be a little pad or maybe, like, a shearling top, you know, like a sheepskin. You can do that. You can do anything you want. There's no, like, rules. Jay, you should do a collab with Uggs.

sort of a backrest maybe even and uh they have those too man like you can do anything there's no there's no like you're not like riding the in the tour de france i'm a soft guy you know yeah like or even like a something with an engine or like you know two seats and passengers you know a rope that's connected to an engine yeah this is an engine this

like that flies in the sky and takes you places speaking of which what about those e-bikes do you have one yet are we gonna talk for an hour about until we're done i will no no no i have a thousand questions i know sean's like i can see his face he's like oh my god i asked one question about his swedish noble no no no i did i buy an e-bike i have bought an e-bike yes and you know they're e-bikes like if you want to come on the trip any of you guys want to come you're not doing a good

to come on the trip. I'm not going. If you want to come on the trip, no, for real. Like if you want to come, if you want to ride regular, you can ride like just without, but they also have e-bikes that are attached to like a heart rate. So you can choose your heart rate that you want to get to. Just stay at it. And then stay at it and the bike will keep you at that level.

Let's go away. What do you do about all, you just wear headphones to mute out the ridicule you're getting from the other writers? Like, I am just desperately, I really want people to get on this trip and come because it's fun, but they don't believe it. You know, no one believes that they're on trips. I believe that. Where is it? Where is the trip? Well, they change. Like, we're trying to find new cool places to... Not Hancock Park, Sean. Okay, I'm sorry. You won't be there. No.

All right, Sean, let's hear some of these bitching questions. Oh, finally. Jake, welcome to the show. Jake has done a lot of theater. Hold on, hold on. Let me just, hold on. Reveal yourself. It's the Sean Hayes Show. Go ahead, Sean. So I want to know about growing up, because I think it's fascinating that you come from a family...

Your dad's a director. Your mom is this incredible writer. Your sister is also like, it's all, you're all killing it. So it's like, by the way, I had dinner with your mom at a mutual lawyer friend's house a million years ago. And I was much younger then. And I hadn't really written anything yet. And I expressed to your mom, God, you know, I wish I was a better writer. It's just so overwhelming to me. And I remember this. I'll never forget it. She said, the hardest part of writing is starting.

And your mom said that to me and I still remember it. Not that we hear that all the time, but that was the first time I ever heard anybody say it was from your mom. And so I took that and I started writing

And I wrote scripts and whatever, but that was because of your mom. Holy shit. Jesus Christ. Wow. You're going to lead with that. My mom will be actually so flattered by that. Yeah. What a memory. So it's just starting is the hard part? Is that? Fuck. I was just going to ask. But I hadn't heard that before. Sean, I was going to ask, every time you start everything, you think about my mom? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, you can really apply it to anything, I think. Weird question, Sean. No, it wasn't. He didn't even have a question mark on it. No question. This is how bad the Sean Hayes show is. I want to... Thank you for listening to the Sean Hayes show.

We just started and we ended. Thank you, Naomi Foner. No, you know what? I will say, I will say. That's my mom's name, by the way. Wait, what's your mom's name? Naomi Foner. So think about that. I will say, to Sean's credit,

It is interesting to have something like that happen and that something that sticks with you and now you're on with the person, JB. Yes. It is mildly interesting. However, the way Sean said it was so fucking boring. So, it

It could have been interesting. Will you come on the bike cycling trip? We'll talk so much shit about Sean. I'll talk shit about anybody. You don't have to go on a bike trip. You just listen to this. But Sean, get us back on the rails. We're sorry. I want to know what it was like. I know, it's so hard. I want to know what it was like. I mean, again, I say this all the time on the podcast. I grew up in Chicago with, you know, looking at Hollywood like this thing that was unachievable. So I came here with, so what was it like growing up? And I know you get asked this.

all the time but I don't know the answer growing up around it and then is did you find that that's all you're talking about around the dinner table when your kids is the business and how do you escape talking about other things and you know Jason do you want to take this in tandem so to speak it is I was so curious to hear what your answer is going to be because I've got my

Yeah, yeah. What was it? It's better, right? It gives you even more stuff to talk about around the dinner table? I think it's a double-edged sword. It is a double-edged sword, you know? I think in a way it's amazing because, you know, speaking of my mom, like,

She taught me so much about all this stuff and how to find stuff that's good and what's good and when the dialogue's good. And then same, when I was a kid, my dad would, I'd play around, I'd joke. I was performing when I was real little, just joking around. And then he sort of would really encourage it and kind of understood me in that performance stuff. So there was outside of the kind of idea of

like the advice and stuff and watching their careers and then saying, oh, you could go this way or that way. You know, oh, don't do this. Try that, which is a bit of a head start. Yeah. Well, how much of your own, because a lot of people grow up with, and we take on points of view. Sometimes our point of view is colored by our upbringing and our parents and what we were, you know. Sometimes. Well, a lot of them. When you go into the same, but certainly when you vocationally, when you go into the same thing that your parents did and,

Do you now, do you look back and go like, oh, I see the influence of my mom or my dad speaking to me while I, when I look at a script, when I think about doing something, when I'm making a choice as an artist, if you will. Do you recognize that? I try to, both good and bad, you know? Yeah. I really do. I try as best as I can, you know, to...

I mean, what I do think is a lot of those things as we get to be a certain age become like an unconscious thing, right? Yeah. You put them into experience and then you do things and you're lucky enough to make things and you keep doing it and then you try them out and then we get a tool belt and then we're using it, you know, and so...

they are a mix of that. I can't differentiate anymore really from what I've learned from them and what I've learned from other people. Cause I've been doing it from such a young age. Do they still give you input? Do they, do they, when you work on something? Yeah. Particularly like, particularly with writing and even, you know, in,

in development of things and things like that. My sister wrote her first screenplay and wrote, wrote and directed it and to great success. Yeah. And then she just wrote another one and she's directing it. It's this amazing thing. So yeah,

And my mom is a big part of it. You know, my sister sends me the script. She sends my mom the script. My mom and her will talk through things. You know, she's a real mentor. And that is a massive thing to have in your back pocket. Yeah. And do you find like, I think naturally any child is always looking to impress someone.

their, their, their parents when they're, when, when they're, when they're tiny. And then as you grow older, you start to meet other adults, you become an adult yourself. And, and, but, but since you started with the entertainment industry and your parents were in it, do you find that they still occupy the major sort of North star? You kind of point your efforts towards and look for their approval and their review of things. Um,

Do you know what I mean? I certainly do. I'm still sort of a small boy kind of looking for dad's approval because that's where it all started there. He taught me how to act. He taught me how to direct. And I like that. I like that I'm not over that. Aren't we all? I mean, yeah, in one way or another, definitely. I think also, though...

there's a sense of just for me now, you know, because there's all that stuff, like work is so, it becomes like a big thing, you know, with all of our families, you know, if our parents are working, like you hear about their work, right? It's just inevitable, right? The vocabulary becomes part of it. To me and me and my sister in particular, and my family more and more as, as all that stuff gets into your life and you're doing that, we tend to now try and just

work on the family stuff, you know? Cause that's just like, to me, that's where, that's what I've grown to care about most. You know, I, I, in the end, no matter what we all do and what we create, like it all comes down to them being there no matter what. Right. They'll be there. Yeah. And, and do you have other siblings? Is it just you and Maggie?

I have a little half brother. I mean, he's a half brother. He's also little. My dad had another child. And so, yeah. And so, but he's my half brother. He's my sister's half brother. But my sister and I, you know, grew up together. And then what about you and Maggie have had, I'm assuming, a very positive experience of being in this business and you've been able to

to transition from, from child actor into adult actor and incredibly successful. Both of you. Um, do you imagine that you would be supportive of your children going into this? Because I get this question all the time. I, my answer is always, yeah. I mean, I can't be hypocritical. I've had a great experience and it's been challenging, but it hasn't been devastating.

or damaging, I would just make sure that I would condition my child or explain to my child what to look out for and what to not and what it is and what it isn't and just manage their expectations. And then after that, let them make their own decision. But I mean, at 10 years old, which I was, and I think you were right around the same age, can you really assess all of the pitfalls such that you make a good decision? I don't know.

I mean, I think I would, my parents did a very smart thing, which is they were like, you need to get an education. You know, they were very early on. They were like, I was like, I just want to do this thing, you know? And they were like, okay, cool, great. You can keep doing that, but you don't need to do it in like the deep end, right? Yeah, or in lieu of, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And, you know, socializing, right?

you know, is, was a huge thing. Go be amongst kids, you know, who are tough on you. You know what I mean? Not just in an adult world. Yeah. If you can balance it, if you can handle it, go for it. Yeah, exactly. And then the, yeah.

No, go ahead. No, no, I just, to me, like, that's what I would do. I think, you know, it, you know, we can admit it's not a normal life, you know, in that way, you know? And so it's just important to get perspective, you know? And I read that you, when you were a kid, you also used to volunteer at a homeless shelter and you celebrated your 13th birthday at one. Wow.

Wow. Is that true? My mother's Jewish, my father's Christian. And so, you know, they're not practicing very heavily, but they... And so they had a bit of a dilemma in my, you know, bar mitzvah moment, you know, quinceanera sort of situation. They didn't know really how to celebrate it. Wait a second. You had a combo bar mitzvah quinceanera? No, no. At a homeless shelter? So you got a deal on the venue. Basically.

A deal. A real deal. Everybody showed up too. Yeah. But it was, it was, yeah. And so one of the things was they were like, you know, they were, my father was very big about passages, you know, like, and that's what it was. They agreed that there was like, it is a passage of time and you're walking through this, this space and,

And these are the qualities that, you know, they wanted me to understand. And so they decided instead of something more formal, like we do all these different things. And one of them was, yeah, we went to a homeless shelter on my birthday and fed the homeless. Yeah. Wow. So it sounds like they started you out with just a great set of values, a decent or a great guide in which to sort of be a decent person. And you seem to have really –

held on to that. I mean, you know, you're just a really kind person and you've, you've, you've managed to acquire a great deal of success. Is it, is it, you know, we're in such a permissive culture and atmosphere with what we do. Is it a constant,

How much of a struggle is it for you to not take advantage of all the sort of latitude people like yourself are given on set, off of set? Do you know what I mean? Because it's – I don't know. Did they raise you well enough where it's not that much of a battle? I mean I'm obsessed with my work. I love my work, right? And I dig into the characters that I do, do you know? And so that's sort of where I –

To me, inside that learning, it has been... That's... Like, learning how to be an actor is a different thing, right? Like, I don't think my parents were... They were not actors, right? Yeah. So it's a completely different scenario. They were teaching you how to be a good person, not a good actor. Yeah? Right. I mean, they were sort of... I mean, they were, you know, they were like...

learn great read great plays you know try and perform them so you can understand what you were life in the arts as you yeah kind of I mean for whatever I wanted really whatever I felt they were down for but I think like

You know, yeah, I think that's always the question, right? Like we grow up in it. And when we grow up in it, it's a different thing. There are people who come into the business and they're, you know, they've experienced life and they experience success at a different age. And it's very interesting to watch people experience success at different ages. And I was so grateful to experience it

but at the same time, it came with its own kind of growing up throughout the whole process. I just watched City Slickers the other night. I swear to God, I just watched it. And I was like, is that J.

Jake Gyllenhaal? You were like five? How old were you in that? I was 11. And you can totally tell it's you. I never noticed that before. I was like, oh my God, Jake Gyllenhaal. Were you like Billy Crystal's son? I was Billy Crystal's son. No way, really? And really Billy like, yeah, he like found me and he was like, there's something about this kid.

I mean, I have a poster that still says, he signed a poster for me for City Slickers poster. And it says, thanks for letting me be in your first movie. Like he literally wrote that. That's cool. It was so cool. It's the best poster ever. And he is the fucking best. Yeah, he's such a nice man. Oh, such a nice man. And like, I worship him. Like I, it is very interesting. Who directed that? Was that? Ron Underwood. Oh, right. Yeah.

Ron Underwood. Who's Ron Underwood? I don't know that guy. He directed City Slickers. And then I love this. You were cast in Mighty Ducks, but you couldn't take it, right? Or you're

Or your parents didn't let you take it? You know, like when people ask you guys like, oh, did you, you got that part, but you didn't do that part. Like, and then you're like, why am I, someone else did it. It's theirs. This is weird. But, and that's the story. It's like, yeah, I almost did the part that I'm never going to do. And someone else did better than me. So I don't, why are we doing, but I, yeah, I was, I auditioned for it and they let, my parents would let me audition for things. And so without like being like, oh, sweet Jake, he wants to go audition for, cool. And then I like audition. I like,

got it pretty much and they were like oh shit right you have to go to school and i was like no i want to learn hockey you know yeah by the way will we have a lot to talk about that because you should talk to my parents i wanted to learn how to play hockey where's your hockey passion now do you still have a hockey passion

No, I wasn't allowed it. I didn't do Mighty Ducks. But yeah, that was a thing. But a lot of the times, you know, a lot of the roles, like Jar had, God, you're so fucking good in that. You've just done so many great movies. Yeah, and all these, you know, last year. I just got to say, I wish you had done fucking Mighty Ducks.

Sorry, I was just thinking what could have been. I messed up. But these roles in these big, huge movies that just seem to me, I could never do the things you do. They just seem like colossal undertakings as an actor. And the physicality

that you take on is just remarkable. Like we were talking about at the beginning, what I love- - You're brilliant, Sean. - Thank you, I was waiting for that. We got it. He said it. - But we do prefer a nice sitcom routine. It's six hours a day. - You and I have sung together by the way. That's the best thing. - I know. - I mean- - Wait, really? - Where did you guys sing? - Where? - We sang at the Tony's, A Whole New World. - No way. - It was an arranged marriage, wasn't it? - Do you have theater stories?

If you have a theater story right now, Jake. My favorite thing is medical stories and theater stories. Do you want to say, I listen to you guys, and I just want to say that I have a great losing a contact story. Here we go. And I was like, what the fuck? That was my fucking story. Yeah, yeah. Sean, get Scotty in here. Like, yeah, I thought, oh. That's my part. She stole my part, you know? We'll be right back. And now back to the show.

So there you are. You're on stage. What happened? I'm on stage. And so I did this show with Ruth Wilson called Constellations, which is this amazing show, two-hander. It's 75 scenes in 90 minutes.

- Wow. - And the changes of scenes, it's about a couple, and it's a bit like sliding doors-ish, but it's about, they're basically five scenes that happen over a couple's relationship, and within the five scenes, there are like eight scenes of the different potential things that could happen, right? - Oh, wow. - So first they meet, and then one of them's not into the other, and the other one is, and then boom, the lights change, and then the other one who wasn't into the other is into the other, you know? - I like that. - So it switches, then they're both into each other in the next one, then neither of them are into each other, and then it moves forward, right?

And so subsequently, actually, there gets to him asking her to marry him. And I had in tech, you know, like... The final rehearsals, right? For Tracy, yeah. I had said basically like, okay, we had one prop in the whole show. It's just two people on stage. We never left this platform, right? It was 90 minutes, never left. There was one prop and the prop was a ring in my pocket that I kept saying,

And he had to prep all this stuff. And I said to the stage manager, I said, can I just put some contact lenses under the stage in the back? Because I just, I really am legal. I'm legally blind without contact lenses. Come on. No, no, I am legally blind. Wow. Like I cannot, I can't like function. Your contact's in right now? No. But you guys look great. I, so I, yeah. Of course.

I would be deeply offended if we were making love right now and I found out you didn't have your contacts in. He didn't even bother. He didn't even bother bringing his fucking contact lenses for us. He's like, what am I doing? So I just like, you know, actually at the same time, I like, I had gotten into a little thing with Ruth early on because my brother-in-law, who's an amazing actor, by the way, he came to see me in previews and he gave me notes and he gave me two notes. One note was he was like,

There's power in stillness. Because I think I was moving around a lot and trying to get a lot of attention. And the next note was, don't let her upstage you. She kept walking upstage, huh? No, I mean, I think he actually meant like, she's just a better actor than you. So just try harder and figure it out. Because she is a better actor than me. I learned that over the course of the run. Because Tracy, if an actor walks upstage, it forces you to turn your back to the audience to talk to that person. And now the audience can't see your face. They can only see the person.

on stage is face. And she does, she's just magical. Like, she's just the type of actor that like,

I'd always talk about this, like when Saturday nights, you know, it's like the energy is so much more intense. And Saturday nights, like she would ride that energy like a wave and I'd be like, oh, it's so intense. And she'd be like, see ya. And I'd be like, the roof is incredible. So he was like, just don't try not to let her do that. Like try and surf, don't be afraid. And so we had gotten into a thing where like, I was like,

I was like, I feel like you're upstaging me. She was like, I'm not. I'm just like, you know, the actor bullshit. She's like, I'm not. What are you talking about? And I'm like, but like, can we just try and stay on the same line? Like, you know, like, cause this is about us, you know? And it was like, hold on. So anyway, the light changes, by the way, these big pops in the show. So you have about like a second and a quarter to kind of change. Right. And at the same time that I,

in the it's very hard to explain because i would put my hand in my pocket in the scene before i'm supposed to ask her to marry me because i pull out the ring and no one's seen a prop and so they go oh how do you get that ring right right i put my hands in my pockets and the ring was not in my pockets so i was like it's the only prop by the way in tech they were i was like what if we okay i have contact lenses up there but what if like i don't have the problem they're like dude is it broadway

We have a prop master who usually deals with a thousand props. He has one prop. Okay. So don't worry. You're going to have your prop. Okay. Don't worry. And I was like, I know, but like, if like, they're like just, and I was like, can I just plead? They're like crazy. Sure. And they put it there. So I, I rub, I rub my eye contact lens falls out in the scene. I put my hand into my pocket. I can't find the fucking ring. And I'm like, Oh my God, I can't see anything. And then Ruth, and then I start to move, uh,

Because I remember there's a contact lens in there and the ring is over there. And Ruth starts looking at me like,

Oh, you motherfucker. I know what you're doing. You're going upstage. You asshole. I was like, no, I can't see anything inside. I'm trying to communicate. And she thinks you're just winking at her constantly. Oh, I know what's up. And then as soon as I like, boom, lights pop, I run over, grab the contact lenses, grab the thing. And I put the contact lens in my eye because I can do it because I've been putting contact lenses in my eye since I was...

a kid like really, really young. And then she was like, oh my God. Like she realized in the moment. - Yeah, that's funny. I used to do this thing and promises, promises that there's this guy, his name's, thank you so much. - By the way, beautiful, beautiful. - Incredible. - His name's Ryan and we would give each other horrible, horrible shit like right before we'd enter the stage. It's kind of like the three of us do just like scathing, right?

And he's like, and he goes, "I'm actually dead serious before tonight. Can you change? Can you make sure that during this one dance sequence you, 'cause you're blocking, you're just blocking me just to episode." I go, "Ryan, I'm gonna stop you. I never look behind me on stage." - What a sweetheart.

No, Jake, if you're not acting, if you're not, um, you know, uh, exercising, being physical, um, what else are you doing to fill your time? What is, you don't have any, like, are you a reader? Are you a TV watcher? Are you a painter? Um,

Do you love to knit? Speaking of knitting, I'm going to get my mom in here in a second because she's mad that you guys still haven't sent her a picture of the fucking sweaters. I did. Tell her to check her junk file. I collect shoe horns, actually. What? Will, show them that. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. You have no odd...

I cook a lot. I cook a lot. I cook majorly. Yeah, I want to talk about cooking. I didn't know you cook. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you're not cooking fatty shit. You're good at cooking like...

or macrobiotic or something. I cook everything. I love to cook. I love to shop for food. So then you eat what you want. You just make sure that you exercise a lot. No, I mean, no. I've actually, you know, I've tried all different things. I'm down with intermittent fasting. I really like that as an idea because I tend to go like, I'm going to just overeat, you know? So instead I just go, we're just not going to eat today for a while. It's all or nothing. Are you sweet tooth or salty? What's your...

I ultimately, I think I'm a sweet tooth. Yeah. I just like, I'm a cake. I like cake. I love cake. I got a pie guy. Do you guys know Yosia Refi, by the way? No, no. Her cookbooks. Her, she is this book called, I'm like, this is a shameless plug on, on her book, but it is incredible. Yeah. It's called Snacking Cakes.

- Snacking cakes. - Yeah, and there's also this lemon cake that she makes that has pieces, that the recipe has pieces of the lemon in it, right? So it's like, I don't know if you like a lemon cake. - Love. - I do. I don't wanna eat a piece of lemon though. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like you chop, it's small, it's in little pieces, but you get like this sort of burst of citrus, so to speak.

And like, you really do know it's like, I'm a sucker for glazes like that. Would you be into that, Sean? You think you might be into a cake? I love like a lemon pound cake. Garbage can. No, I love that though. I got an ice cream maker for Christmas. I like baking. Well, you wanted to cut out the middleman. It was too much with the fucking tire to driving to the ice cream shop. Get out of the store. I'd rather just cry and make it while I cry, you know? Like I just...

By this time next year, he's going to figure out how to make ice cream in his mouth. Okay, wait a minute. I want to talk about Roadhouse because it comes out March 21st. I'm primed, which is really exciting. Wait, were you nervous to remake such a classic film because, you know, Patrick Swayze, we all love Patrick Swayze. I'm sure you're going to kill it, but were you nervous? I mean, I knew Patrick Swayze was in Donnie Darko, this film that I did. Oh, that's right. That's right. Oh, fuck. That's right. Yeah.

- Dude, Donnie Darko. - Can I also just say before you get, Nightcrawler, I don't know why, it just occurred to me, I just remembered how much I fucking loved that movie, dude. - Yeah, all your movies are great. - It was such a good movie.

so good didn't Bob Elswit shoot that he did he's a buddy of yours the one time I've ever been in a room with him was at your house at a birthday party that you had and I saw him walking around I was like what the fuck is going on he's a cinematographer everybody and he's a he's a god

That movie's a fucking masterpiece. So anyway, so you're doing... I love that movie too, but Roadhouse. So you worked with Swayze. We worked with Swayze. In Dirty Darko. And he was just the sweetest, most generous, kindest man. I was like, when we worked together, and Point Break was a movie that I watched maybe like, maybe I've watched that movie more than any movie I've ever watched, if I'm honest. Because I racked in so many hours from like nine years old to like...

admittedly 43. I just love that movie. So I, you know, and I love a lot of his movies. And Roadhouse, I remember these faint memories of the poster and I don't know where I remember seeing it. And then I also remember watching clips of it or it was on TV and being like, what is this? Like, it's like ingrained in my unconscious this movie. Yeah.

and so like doug lyman who's a good friend of mine we've been friends for 20 years brilliant right director brilliant and he was like we've been trying to find a movie for a long time to do together and he was like uh we were talking one night because we're talking about one other movie that he had sent me we're talking about me that's interesting then he's like you know i do have this other idea they just sent me this script of roadhouse it's like a reimagining of it i was like

I'm fucking in. I literally was, he said, and I like, it was like whoever saw those clips, whoever, it just came out of me. Like, I'm in. Wow. I love that. And so... I mean, you filmed an actual fight with a live audience? I went to the UFC to film. Yeah, we went to the UFC and I filmed in the Octagon. What? It was crazy. Yeah, it was so fun. It was so incredible. It was incredible. They let us film there. The UFC was amazing. Yeah.

Like, it was nuts. I was, like, high from it for four days after. Would you say that you got into the best sort of cardiovascular shape you've ever been in through grappling? Because, like, I mean, you think you're in shape until you start wrestling with someone. Like, it's crazy.

It's crazy how tired you get, right? Try wrestling with Conor McGregor. I was just going to say. I can't believe. Is this his first acting gig? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah, it's his first. I mean, it depends on how much you consider the performance pre-fight. But yes, this is his first acting gig professionally. Wow, that's pretty wild. How was that process shooting in front of those crowds? I don't know.

I gotta say, like, that mixed martial arts makes me nervous sometimes. Not just the crowds. It's a little... Yeah, they want blood. It's very dangerous. Yeah, it's like the Coliseum back in the old days. Yeah, it's like a little bit of Coliseum, but it's just, like, it always makes me nervous, because there's, like, there's bloodlust, right? Like, people are out there to really... Literally. No, you get on the canvas, and, like, you know, we were right before, you know, the main cards, right? One of the prelims?

Yeah, so it was like post prelims. It was pre-pay-per-view. We were told we were going to either get like 45 seconds or seven minutes. We didn't know because depending on how the earlier fights went, if they went all the way, if they finished in the first 30 seconds, like that would accumulate our time, right? So they wouldn't guarantee us anything. But by the time we got there, there had been some really, really intense fights. And there was blood on the mat. And I walked up onto the canvas and there was just so much blood on the mat. Are you kidding me? No, there's just blood all over the canvas. They don't clean it? Yeah.

No, it's canvas. Could you wear slippers during the... Oh, yeah, don't worry. I wore... Feed condoms. There we go. No, I... It's really...

It's actually... Bateman's going to go wash his hands just to show you that story. One of the things they don't tell you about, Jason, is that, you know, in grappling in particular and mixed martial arts, you know, staff is like a big thing. Oh, yeah. Because, like, they're just... Everybody's grappling on these mats, right? And actually, when we were shooting... When we were shooting Roadhouse, I got staff, yeah, when we were shooting, and my arm, like, blew up. And I was like, what is this? I didn't know what it was. And I... Here we go, Sean. Here's a medical story. Yeah, I love it. And...

And I thought it was because there's a big final fight between me and Conor McGregor in it. And Conor is amazing. I mean, he's amazing. And he coached me through a lot of our fights, right? He was like, he came in, he was like, I'm a white belt in this movie world, this acting world. I'm here to learn from you.

I was like, it was such humility. I said, well, I'm obviously less than a white belt in your world. So like you tell me what you need me to do. Yeah. No, every time we have to, we'd have to say to Connor, like I'd, they'd be like, we're rolling. Okay. Marker. And then it'd be like, I'd have to say, remember even two months into shooting, remember, don't hit me in the face. Like, remember that.

And he'd be like, oh yeah, right, right, right. It was that every time before every take. Money maker, money maker. So was the crowd aware that you guys were shooting a movie and were told to like just kind of cheer this fight on like you would? No, not all of them because some people were like, well, what they started to do is they picked up on us filming and then they realized that there was like kind of a good guy and a bad guy in the fight. And then they started cheering when like I would throw a punch and they'd be like,

Like they'd be like, yeah. And then it was like 15,000 people cheering for this thing. And that was accurate for the story? Like you were the good guy? They had no idea. Yeah. They had no idea. Where was it? We were in Vegas. It was 285. I didn't, I was supposed to do 283. And then I got the night before got COVID and we had the whole crew ready to go. And so we had to wait. What's 285? The number of fights. Oh, wow. Wow. And did you get hurt at all?

During the filming? Yeah. The staph infection. All the time. Well, yeah. The staph infection in the end, I didn't know it was staph infection. And I woke up and I was like, my elbow feels weird. I thought it was just because I had grabbed Connor like 30 times in this one moment.

And I thought, oh, he was just throwing this arm down on me and I was grabbing it so hard that I thought it just hurt my elbow. So I woke up in the middle of the night and I couldn't touch my elbow to the bed sheet. You're so lucky you didn't get hurt. I mean, you so easily could have just like... I know, it's so fucking... Something pop out, you know? Yeah. I mean, Sean, you said one time at work, right? Didn't you say that you sprained your ankle when you'd come out for curtain call on Will and Grace? LAUGHTER

By the way, sprained ankle is a real pain in the ass. It is. It's the worst. You tripped on Shimada's camera as you were coming up.

Wait, Jake, you don't have to take those roles. Yeah, you don't have to take those roles. Why don't you just get a nice sitcom or something? That's what I'm saying. Like, what is the draw? What is the wish? What's the matter with you? I would love to do a sitcom. No one thinks I'm funny. I would love to do a sitcom. Everyone's like, he's so serious. This guy's so serious. He thinks so, so seriously. He, like, does all this stuff. Like, you know, I would love to do that. I'm doing this because this is what I got, guys. No other options. Nowhere else to go.

No, I just love that, like, I love the idea. Well, you're great at it. Yeah, well, you're so brilliant, you could do anything. You could just plug anything. They came to me about Roadhouse 2, by the way. I didn't want to say anything because we were talking about roles we didn't do. It was different. It was more about eating. Don't even try Roadhouse 2. If I knew that you would have been in that movie, we would have had you in that movie. I was up for roadkill. But anyway, Jake...

This is wonderful that we took up way too much of your time. You're so sweet to come by. Very nice to be with us. Thank you, buddy. I'm so psyched to be here. So fun. I love your show. I am such a huge fan. I obviously like...

adore you all from afar and like close up. I invite you places you don't come. Well, I've literally invited you now. So if you don't come, you know, then you're the same. I'm coming with the e-bike option to my heart. Are you kidding me? I'm fucking stoked.

And Jake, you'll come over, I'll make ice cream and we'll sing. Yes, by the way, can we please do that? I'd love to watch that. Please, Sean, really. I would totally love to do that. Okay. Jake, thank you. All right, I love you, Jake. Thanks, guys. Love you guys. Bye, pal. Bye. Bye.

That was nice to revisit with my old friend. I love him so much. She should have been my guest. It's so weird how that always works on our show, right? It's like oftentimes the person, the guest, the person who knows the guest the best usually is not the host. That's right. It's odd how that works. I don't know. Did you know him, Will, before? Not really. We've...

hung out once or twice just briefly and such a nice guy. But I don't really know him. And I knew, I'm just doing this because I like all the different apps. I knew... It's a computer, Jason. It's not going to work. Oh, really? It's got to be a phone? Are you on the phone, Will? No, I'm on my computer. Wow.

Wait, what? It doesn't work. You didn't update your computer, obviously. Anyway, so nice. JB, I didn't know that you guys knew each other that way. We hung out for a bit there. We got into sort of that bike riding routine for a while, and then he got a job or I got a job, and we just drifted and never got back on the bike.

But he is just a very, very normal, normal guy. And I think he's gotten younger since I saw him last. Yeah, I know. He looks super young. He looks amazing. Yeah. How old do we think he is? I would have a good time hanging out with him.

Well, cool it. He's 43, I'd say. Is he? Oh, wait, he said that, didn't he? Yeah, I think he said 43, yeah. So he is already that young. I mean, can you believe all he's accomplished in 43 years? It's crazy. Yeah. It's amazing. He's made so many movies.

Yeah. Well, when he goes, he just goes like, yeah, when I did Donnie Darko and you're like, oh yeah, Donnie Darko, which is a fucking great movie. Yeah, fantastic. That he just, you know, to be able to throw out like, yeah, I remember doing, like that's like, oh yeah, I remember when I was doing this amazing thing. You know? Yeah. Zodiac. Yeah. And then fucking Nightcrawler is incredible. If you haven't seen it. Yeah, what have we done with our lives? We're just,

Trash. Eating cake. I know. I'm back at home. I've gone full circle. My mom's about to give me shit about the holes in my jeans or something. You know what I mean? Speaking of going full circle, remember the very beginning of this podcast today? We were talking about Sean's biceps. We used that one last time. Two in a row with biceps. Two in a row with biceps. We did biceps last time. They're not going to order in that row. Smart. Worse.

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