Episode 619: Peter Bryan
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Hey, weirdoes, i'm melina. I'm ash, and this is morbid.

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nothing going on about so .

nothing good, so nothing good anymore, nothing good. Bad, bad. So let's talk about you know what?

Let's get into something worse. I think that's really where we are. So loves that we're going to talk about the london and Peter personal.

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I don't want to speak free actually.

i'm good. Now i'm going to call you out first is my thought that I have something to call you out though. So first, my thought is that my movie pick for scream this week that we're going to record is also basinful ism movie fresh. So good check IT out. Secondly, this morning for breakfast and brought into the otlet, brought into the pod club, i'm not joking, you, a plate full of bert .

soft red little one breakfast, but there was at least five, I would say there was.

And they were. They were carcinus en, yes, they were. Them very.

very bored to a crisp.

And that was your breakfast. Because because you know, that was giving fat boy, it's giving twenty to twenty four, yes, and twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven and twenty twenty eight as well.

Little tiny burn sausages on a plate running the country. You know, I like that got IT right.

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now. Appreciate that they were good. Little, a little for more maple ones, just maple ones.

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I just burn to a Christian, eat them because I don't care and share.

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foaming up them. Yeah, that was what happened. Ah keep picturing IT. Let's talk about Peter. Brian, this is a wild story. I don't know what I know that it's very upsetting right off the that please know that okay, I mean that doesn't volte cannister.

So so but that and IT also involves a lot of discussion about like mental health, mental illness like the system around IT at the time and especially in the area. Yeah um so let's talk about Peter bryan when he was Younger OK Peter brian was born in london, england on october fourth, one thousand nine hundred and sixty nine. Scorpio a scorpio use the Youngest of seven children to parents who had moved to the U.

K. From our bedos in the late nineteen and fifties. Many years later, after his arrest, brian recalled his early life, as you know, one that was not very smooth.

IT was a lot of disruption, a lot. And the, yes.

very disruptive. Yeah, they lived in new him. And but starting when Peter was four, five years old, both of his parents were working full time jobs, and the three Youngest children, which included Peter, were often left in the care of just like a rotating group up, like babysitters, you know, anyone they could get to just watch these, yeah, child cares, forking hard.

During this time, the children were often left at home alone for like long periods of time. That can be tough. yeah. Now, one thousand nine hundred and seventy four, Peter started attending primary school. He doesn't have great memories of this time of his life.

According to Peter quote, he had a few friends and was unhappy during this time, primarily on account of his sense of shame and embarrassment. And needing extra reading lessons. That can that can be tough when you're having to be all the way to do something extra. And I think .

that's the thing is that like like pulling kids out is not only the way to do IT, but I also don't know yeah .

you don't know how else to do IT.

but I remember like kids being embarrassed that they needed to get pulled out and have like being like a different reading course or .

different math course. It's an automatic like why am I different from them? Yes like just makes them question IT again, there's no real I don't have any other solution so it's like that ah that works IT works exactly socially IT sucks that like we have an evolved fast the point where people are like you're different yeah your different shame yeah like we need to get Better but his feelings of shame LED Peter to seek out and bully those that he kind of perceived to be physically weaker than himself, because he was feeling weaker in certain areas.

So he had to kind of, he make up for that. Yeah, exactly overcompensate. So he would force them, apparently, to give him like treats and like he, and is a bird true yeah he would also make them tie his shoe laces for so he was also very weirdly like I the orientations of him and like, strange yeah I yeah this is when he's like, you know, seven, eight years old, like you just forcing institute honey.

the day I could comes home and is like some believe maybe tie .

their shoe you read up your bot honey baby, you in your face so would be a problem. Now, by the time he was ten or eleven years old, the believing that he was committing had escalated to physical aggression towards his classroom mates. So before it's like, just give me a tweets, give me a sweet time, my shooting aces but then I started turning into like, i'm actually hurting people give me your trees.

give me your sweets time my true laces isn't .

IT was crazy.

Why is that, like campaign life.

give me a treat can .

be a sweeter mu laces. Why am I picturing a child on a student? Why am I picturing the literal stute kid.

good school kids going to leave soup? But now that's all like funny to watch from you, a total outside perspective. But then IT started escalated, actually hurting his class.

I hate, and I got even worse. And this is worse, started to get dark like we can, uh, about dark OK. Because then he started harassing female classmates. Why iota? And he would try to literally like attacked them.

So he's a fucking .

predit and he was very like weirdly aggressively sexual to them very early on. What's going on at home now as he entered his teen years because he he was doing that before he was entering his new um he was getting into trouble at school on a regular basis and because of this he would get a lot of because at the time at the time period in the place they were, he would get cannings. H, I didn't think from the head teacher.

Yeah, they like cankers. Yeah, like with a literal cane. Yeah.

I knew about like the ruler and ship.

Yeah, and he would get other forms of punishment. But this didn't really do a lot to you. Stop him from washing out in others, because violence tends to reinforce violence.

Zy, the weird connection that we've seen for millennia. So slid, in fact, by the time he was fifteen years old and had transferred to a new school in london, he was routinely getting into fights with other boys. He kept getting into trouble he would get recommended all the time for.

And this is horrifying feeling up. Girl, oh my god. And on occasion he would be suspended.

And he even got suspended once for slapping a teacher. What fuck? Yeah, he was.

He needs to go to juv. He needs to. Beyond scared, straight program he does. Now in interviews with mental health workers after he was arrested later in life, Peter also indicated that his early adolescence was when he started really going into his criminal career. We say he was like petty theft. He also committed muggings, which is like pretty gross y and according to him, these activities gave him something to do.

You could do a whole .

so many other things, maybe volunteer for the community. But he also agreed that he liked to the feeling of power and excitement that he got from menacing others that's so dark, and which is like, you need to go away. You that now, around this time, he also started experimenting with drugs, which is not great when this is all happening.

Initially was just smoking pot, but his drug use would increase and expand as he grow older to like like crack, other like cocaine, others stuff. Now later he was diagnosed as this lexical, and he described himself as, quote, very slow and unable to keep up with his peers. Well, just lexi, like that's a real now that's a real learning disability. And IT causes a lot of anxiety around schooling and IT resulted in him like not ever wanting to go to school. So yeah, he had a big period of true and cy, by the time he was fifteen or sixteen, he had become so dish engaged from school altogether .

that he .

just standing up.

dropping out and yeah, because he just feel .

like couldn't for everybody else because yeah, anybody else that that's school i'd be like happy like bye and good look you reading journey I um but so he did find a part time job at ARM car, which was a clothing boutique at petticoat lane market in london. I love that name, Peter lane market. I love that he was owned by the chef family and the job painting cash.

And according to Peter, he supplemented his income by selling drugs and stealing from his employer. fantastic. So he worked. He also stole from the people employing him any solders.

Gs, awesome.

In thousand nine hundred and ninety two, when Peter was in his early twenty, his drug and alcohol use had increased expenditure. And you start that check, yes, that's scary. He was spending nearly every cent he made or had on drugs, and he reported that some days he would just suspend all day at a friend's house or queen house, getting high.

So this period of his life was very unstable. In addition of the drug and alcohol abuse, his housing was unstable, and his employment status was like formal, I would say you like, really not solid. He had actually left his parents house because they told him, get, get out.

Yeah, when he, he had left at seventeen, eighteen, and have been staying in hostels, are staying with friends ever since you and I was, through his occasional work at the shops that Peter met, the chess daughter. They were the people on the shop, nii, so the sets children who were also, who also included a sun seven years Younger than lisa, would often help their parents in the shops. They were regularly there, yeah, in those family businesses.

In interviews with his doctors later, Peter claimed tanisha had a quote, intimate relationship, okay, though he said the two had not hand sex. okay. Her parents, on the other hand, said ABS of fucking lutely.

not. They did not. They were not anything past co workers. They weren't even friends. No.

what a weird thing make up. And I would believe her parents sometimes though, p it's crazy. All people can think that like, they are your best friend and you like, I barely know you yeah like SHE.

I think he had a dilution al relation with her in one thousand nine hundred and ninety three niche a was in her. At south bank university, where he was studying social work, SHE was a very compassionate Young woman. SHE was, I mean, her friends, neighbors described her as the nicer, sweet of girl you could ever hope to me.

And SHE would quote, never have a crossword for anyone, but she's ounds like a really good party. yeah. He had always been kind to Peter bryan.

if you tell me that she's the first victim.

i'm gonna be upset. SHE had always been kind to Peter bryan makes his actions even more heinous when we get to them tams. In the early evening of march, a teens nichemous mother reader had left the shop and gone upstairs to the family s apartment.

Nisha and her twelve year old brother Bobby were alone in the shop. Remember mum went right up to the family stairs. Ah a little before seven P.

M. Peter brian entered the shop with a hammer, a hammer. Nicki was on the phone and didn't see Peter enter.

So he turned his attention towards her brother, her twelve year old brother god. He struck him in the head with hammer and knocked him out to the floor. This cut nisha attention, obviously. So SHE turned just in time to see Peter, who pulled her away from the phone and threw her onto the floor, and then began repeatedly hitting her with the hammer.

What this escalated, soaked, quick, just walked in there and just detect the most when he came to a moment later, bobbi twill year old Bobby fled from the store to get help, and he fled out onto the king's road district. And he was chased by brian. He chased him for a few blocks until he realized he was being pursued by a passer by who saw this survey.

Oh my god. So turning around, Peter put, i'm talking about Peter, brian. He brandished the hammer at the guy that was and warned the man to keep back and then fled in the direction of Chelsea manor street.

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Now, this whole thing was like, crazy quick he ran in there was like a violent, just ambush us nowhere yeah. And during this whole thing he said nothing to ntia or Bobby that's so chilling like silent and just like, what yeah what? Why did he want to IT?

What was the motives here? Like what? What motivated this?

Well, the attack was so bad, and this is very graphic, just so you're the attack of nisha with head injuries so severe that the brain tissue was exposed from her skull. Oh my god. SHE was rushed to the hospital by ambuLance, but unfortunately he died on the way to the hospital.

Now, in his statement to the press, detective cheap superintendent clive Ritchie told reporters, this was a cowardly in horrific attack. I've seldom seen injuries this bad. The family is well known and well liked in the area, and everyone is terribly shocked. And again, this was unprovoked, an another attack. And at the time they didn't know who the fuck did IT.

But what this is a family who's been good to him.

who employed him. yeah. So the press and the public thought this was just this motiveless crime that they were like, what the fuck is going on? But investigators were like, I think I know who did this really yeah about an I mean, the of the brother knows, yeah, it's just like, where is he yeah about an hour after the attack in the store, Peter brian was seen dangling by his hands from a third story balcony of an building in the battersea igbo hood area of london.

What he fell nearly thirty feet and severely broke both lower legs and angles, and later he explained that he had intended to kill himself by throwing himself off the building had first, but he had second thoughts on the way and clang to the building until he couldn't hold any longer and fell. When he got to the emergency department of santa is hospital, he was repeating A A phone number over and over, but wouldn't say what the number was for and when the admit nurse gave the number to police, they found out that IT was the number for the niche ous parents. And he was just saying, IT over and over, what the fuck like? what? yeah.

Peter's injuries required him to have several surgeries. He had to get bilateral pins put into both of his legs, and he was placed in traction. Although a police report filed several days claimed that he tested positive for oates, the drug screening that was done at the hospital only showed weak traces of thc in a system consistent with someone who's smoke marwan a few days earlier. So the following day, march twenty, if he was arrested for the murder of niche, a chef to .

think that he like.

he doesn't t like he was on anything, not like, why? no. And the news of the arrests made headlines, obviously in all of the london papers, and especially the tabloid, which at the time were who yeah.

And they stoked the outrage over this, quote, drugged up suspect having committed an unprovoked attack, which literally, what's worse, he was in, I thought you were going to say he was like. And reporters stated the attack had been motivated by Peter having been fired by the chefs shortly before the murder occurred. But that was inaccurate.

No, Peter had been working more or less informally for the chef, like I said, very, and didn't appear to have kept any regular schedule. So IT wasn't like he was fired. He didn't really have a schedule.

He was just kind of work when he worked. So this really was unprovoked. And he had been actively engaging with various members of the family up to the week before the attack.

So IT looks like the chefs were, you know, the chest were saying IT looked like he was struggling with symptoms of mental ilus. In the weeks before the murder, they were cern about his behavior. So they were keeping this, yes.

A week after the murder read, a chef gave a statement to police, and he described Peter's behavior in the week's leading up to the attack as very concerning. According to reda, SHE said Peters moved with swing from calm to violent, and he changes appearance regularly. Sometimes he would grow beard, then save IT off, and then he shaved the hair from his head.

His clothing was sometimes dirty, and he often felt as though he was not washing himself. One day, he smelled strongly of disinfectant, as though he was washing his face. With IT, he would wander around modern to himself.

And when he spoke, IT was often as though he was talking in a language he could not understand, and he would repeat a word over and over and over again. One afternoon he came into the shop saying he felt like killing someone. cheese.

And to me, i'm wondering if that appearance change up was to get rid of hair evidence. And he shaved his said, and shaved this sphere. yeah. Now, in addition to Peter's bizarre, in sometimes very unsettling behaviour, he was also getting very aggressive to the chest and others in the neighborhood. In one incident, Peter bragging about, quote, how easy IT was to take money from pakistani in east london, implying that he had been stealing from them like he was telling people, and bragged about IT yeah, which to meet us like a lot of like a knowledge and awareness of what he's doing yeah .

you know I mean, because it's like on one hand, like i'm very much .

sitting here prepared to tell me for you to that he is in the and in another incident in a few days later, he had been hanging around the shop, and for no discerning reason, he started kicking reader in the shins, the mother mine, and then he grabbed, he grabs a belt from the rack and hit her several times in the leg with the buckle.

And to the report this, anybody will read a reach for the phone to dial the police, but Peter grab the phone out of her hand and hand and hung up and then ran out of the store. And about an hour later, he came back and asked whether he had called the police, and he said, no. And he started apologizing, like freaking out well.

so he was like, genuinely .

sault dam. In the week before initiation as murder, Peter's behavior became even more erratic and at times even more frightening. He would steal items off the shelf regularly, and when he was confronted, he would get super aggressive with the person than at other times he was like, strAngely over the top kind, like one time in the week before the murder.

Now this is a week before he's going to murder her ruthlessly. Yeah, he gave niche or net box fall full of small flowers. That's terrifying in this struck reader is very strange because she's like I had never seen him be nice or gentle before.

He's always an assets, right? And after giving me show the gift to Peter didn't return to the shop for a week. And the next time he said her, he attacked and killed her.

So he gave her this gift. And then the next time he saw her was to kill her, very dying. Now, Peter remained hospitalized for a month following his surgeries, and after that he was discharged to bricks in prison.

There is going to be a lot of things that I make you very angry in this tube. Some of the stuff is avoided. Within a week of arriving at brickland, he had attacked two fellow inmates on separate case ions.

One was occurring while he was still in a wheelchair. Chose in a wheelchair to attacked to another inmate. how? I have no idea. But the unprovoked attacks LED depleter being evaluated by the psychiatric team from hacky hospital, they found him to be paranoid ed and mistrustful of others, and noted their concern that there was a strong likelihood that he would or could be violent towards others. I was showing that is, during his interview with the team from hacky, Peter told the psychiatrist that he had known the chefs for many years, having started working for them when he was a teenager, and that he had equal love feeling for nation sometimes, but any time he got close to her, he said redo would make him leave the store in.

According to Peter nish, a shared his feelings, like also felt love feelings for him, doubt a in would touch him sexually, but you also said that you didn't have a, he was very graphic about IT but I will not be read ating his dragged quote because it's fake but when he he said when that he said that when he would touch her in response, he would quote, come frigid, intimidate and run away. He's a liar yeah in Peter's version of the events, on that day of the murder of a repeated version of events, he said he had gone to the shop and SHE began kissing him and said, make in this is awful yeah and said, make me rape me in an intimidating to try tone okay Peter claimed he had only happened to have a hammer with him that day. You know.

because just sometimes he goes, yeah.

with a hammer and they said, why did you have a hammer and he said, I just had one as one that you don't need to have a reason. I don't need tell you, I walked into a store with a hammer. You can just have a hammer around yeah.

And he said he hadn't intended an assault in ish, whether he just had IT, but he believed that he wanted to kill him. Yep, and he said that he believes that because and then he said that he also believed that what he was saying to him was that he wanted her to kill her or him to kill her. Excuse me.

So he's saying SHE asked for me to kill her. He's saying he wanted me to kill her no. And where he was going to be like thing, no, like we're, it's gonna kill each other no. And SHE said, I only said I know that he wanted this, in fact, because he didn't cry out her attempt to fight back when I started hitting her in the face with a hammer on .

the floor might have been unable to because you had her so hard that her brain .

tissue came out of. Yes, it's also worth noting that bobbi chief, her brother, strongly refuted this entire fucking statement. And he told the police sister had been, quote, screaming in terrified me yeah so he was like, that I can get bucked yeah and that, no, he did not walk in and he did not start kissing him.

He was via so when there was like he was shoes on the phone, right? Like he didn't even look at her. Although the evaluating doctors found Peter to be quiet and calm during this period, they also noted his very fragmented and very deli u thinking.

Sounds very delude yeah. And according to the report, Peter train of thought would like shift really frequently from one subject to another. And there was no obvious connections between them, just like boom, boom, boom.

Enduring one interview, for example, he was giving a history of his mental health treatment, and then he changed the topic midd sentence to tell the psychic rest about his interests in practices of voodoo. okay. And at the time, he also told the doctor that, quote, dead souls would sometimes listen, sometimes listen his conversations and that they hurt him when he was alone.

He sounds like i'm not in armchair diagnose, but I guess I he sounds kids ophrys .

they did bring that up at one point. He was very hard to diagnose. Yeah they they had trouble died. Well.

he sounds like he's stop bit and pieces of like everything. He seems .

that way for sure. From their interviews, the evaluating team found him to be someone that was suffering from profound illusional and psychotic c thinking that was frequently paranoid ded nature. And IT appears that he frequently misinterpreted social cues and signals from others as well. Or he's just like experience things in a way that was very inconsistent with reality. Yes, he was kind of living on his own plane like he thought, and he show was like, so in love with him and he had not just was on the reality at all, but he believed.

But he can delusional, put that together in his mind, although his explanation for why he gone to a shop that day of a murder change, depending on when in whom he was telling the story too, IT appears his intention, what he's claiming to be his attention in his intention for going in that day was to end his relationship with nisha that day. Kay, regardless of, you know what he believed that relationship was IT was not real. Okay, the relationship, he said he had to end or move on.

K, and he told the psychiatrist that his motive was that he said, I just could, I couldn't stand going on with this relationship anymore because I was too hard. And then he said, my hand went up and that was IT. None of this makes in any sense.

And after months of evaluation, the psychiatric team, we're at a complete fucking loss for how to diagnose them or how to treat him. Yeah, one psychist was wrote, I found his mental state hard to assess. Although I am confident that he suffers from a psychotic illness, the symptoms are not well defined, and I found IT impossible to come to a diagnosis.

Despite not being able to arrive at a diagnosis, he was transferred to ramp ed in hospital, which is a high security psychiatric facility, and nodding hampshire, that's in england, whose notable inmates have included Charles Brownson, who's a notorious criminal, a spring named mark road tree, and a serial killer, beverly oit cheese. So they have some high profile scary people, I guess. So ultimately, Peter would spend almost ten years at rampton. wow. During this time he was a frequent fucking problem for the staff.

That's so surprisingly.

he shocked exactly he. They said he was very clear that he had this like Green ideo thought process yeah, that he would go through. And he had very psychotic thinking.

In fact, a nurse route violence is a recurring theme and Peters conversation with his peers, and he seems to be preoccupied with glamorized violence. Throughout this time, his memory of ntia burder remained distorted. He would change at all the time, and his motive for the attack would also change at various points. So he was just making IT up yeah. And he was always depending who he was talking to her, how he was feeling that day.

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While at rampton, he would speak openly about his drug and alcohol abuse prior to being arrested and was very again grandiose, theatrical when describing acts of violence in his past, staff interpreted IT as an attempt to impress the other patients. That said, he does appear that he derived some enjoyment from talking about his past tax of violence. He would often smile as he spoke.

The attack on ntia, that's great. They get made him happy. On the other hand, when he spoke of the future, he would become depressed. He understood that he was going to be in the hospital for the foreseeable future, and he found that distressing. In fact, during one court appearance in one thousand nine hundred ninety four, he expressed absolutely no remorse for the murder. None, but he did regard the event as a matter of great regret, as the outcome was that he was now crippled in facing a bleak future.

So he's upset, but were literally said.

I don't give a shit that I did that the only reason i'm upset about IT is now I have to deal pints in my legs because I dropped ed off a building and because now I don't know what's gna happen in my future because of IT. This is so bleak. yeah.

In march one thousand ninety four, he plead not guilty to the charge of murder, but he pleaded guilty to one charge of manslaughter and guilty to a charge of assault for the attack on Bobby. In the years after that, he continued exhibiting bizarre behavior in psychotic thinking. But the psychiatrist at ramped in could not find a diagnosis either or, right.

They were just as at a loss as the other psychiatric team, because he takes off a lot of boxes, like everywhere and the people across the board. So as a result of them not being able to figure out a diagnosis, they found IT very difficult to assess his degree of dangerousness. And to me, from the like sounds, he sounds dangerous. I would take off very dangerous.

He first, while his first crime, like, his first crime, like on another person, was incredibly viet. Secondly, he didn't regret IT now. Thirdly, he continues to attack people violently while incarcerated. I would say he's dangerous.

yeah. Well, what else? This is all going on. Social workers continue to interview bry's friends and family, looking into background, trying to find anything that might help explain his mental day. Yeah, according to his sister, they'd been raised in a home where violence was a regular occurrence. That makes sense, mostly at the hands of their father.

I was very interested to see if there.

Now, despite this, those who knew him best said that they insisted that Peter had been mostly pleasant and hard and hard working child, which who the fox said that, yeah.

he was feeling up girls at school and making people .

tie shoes exactly. Now, this first sign of mental inness appears to have been noticed by a family friend in late one thousand nine ninety one or early nineteen ninety.

No.

honey IT was the land was when he came into this world. I feel yeah now, according into the Young woman, Peter began a verbally and physically aggressive to the point where he felt unsafe er around him and at the same time he also started becoming increasingly paranoid and isolated and a short time later Peter's father confirmed the narrative given by the family friend saying that late ninety ninety two was the point where Peter's behavior and thinking became obviously troubling to those around him. IT also makes sense that that would be the time period where people would notice IT like very lately because that usually manifests at a certain period of time yeah in your life like a lot of times that well and that was in his early twenty yeah so it's like late team.

Early tony usually like one mental and this .

present yeah feel like that when IT becomes more easily identify yeah yeah although he proved to be a chAllenge for the staff at the hospital, he did settle into life that ramped him pretty quickly.

And within a year he was telling his doctors that he preferred IT to life quote on the outside, okay, cool, stay yeah um despite his inconsistent commitment to treatment in one thousand nine hundred and ninety five, he began to recognize his capacity for island. At the very least, he would tell hospital staff that he doesn't think that he should have a job where their dangerous tools around because he said, quote, I could hit someone. Well.

that's that's good. That's a realizing yeah that's awareness and that are like kindly sounds like he's like.

don't let me out of here exactly which is that good to telling you you can't be around tools because you will hit someone yeah so don't let a mountain to a world .

full of tool feel like they do now, unfortunately.

his progress was short lived, if that was progressed, but by the summer of one thousand nine hundred ninety five, his paranoia had increased, and he continued exhibiting criminal and very devient behavior.

I wonder if he was medicated at all. I wonder how he, I wonder even how they would.

though I know what you, they don't know how to treat IT, but he would expose himself to female doctors. And he burned a member of the cleaning staff with a cigarette.

She's I feel like it's I hate to even go back, but I feel like when like people expose themselves, start their people that's .

like a whole other layer. No IT is just that. yeah.

IT really look up because it's like this weird control thing. You're taking the choice away from someone. Yeah yeah. In early two thousand and one, he submitted a petition to the mental health review tribunal requesting a discharge from rampton honey, no, or at least to move to a medium security facility. And in their assessment of the evidence presented, the tribunal concluded that Peter had made considerable progress where since entering the hospital, in quote, as a consequence of the medication, the illness was no longer of a nature or degree warranting liability to detention. Guys is the .

progress in their room with us.

Now you should know this is a case that frequently get cited on like this is like the mental health failure system was a complete another booking failure like, unbelievable. wow.

On july twelve, two thousand and one, he was transferred to the john Howard center, a transitional program for patients reentering, the community, which, where he was going to spend six months acquiring the skills necessary to live independently during this time, IT appears he adapted well to a more independent life. However, his attitudes about women and behavior with female members of staff was a big source of concern for his treatment team. They were like, I didn't get Better like he was, so maybe don't put him on the streets.

That s so the nursing staff was like, no, like, he's gonna hurt someone. Like, you can do this despite them. He was discharged from the Howard center in early two thousand and two and of the riverside a half house for those reentering the community, but not requiring institutional care.

So I am all for people being rehabilitated. absolutely. I do though, believe at the same time that there are certain people who simply cannot be, he said.

And IT sounds like at some point he didn't think he yeah, he was telling them should have been let out into society yeah it's the person who is receiving the treatment is sitting they're telling you this isn't working. I shouldn't be around tools. I be let out and then one day they say, like, actually, could you let me out? You don't immediately say, yes.

We keep working exactly now. Peter's time at riverside was mostly unremarkable. As long as he remained in, his symptoms were minimal and he was manageable, but the medication did little to improve his personality or character still who was who he was yeah. And staff at the residential facilities continue to struggle with his, not even trying to hide his massage. I yeah I he hated women and his immaturity and just his aggressiveness. In january thousand and four, he had hoped to be discharged from intensive treatment and move out of riverside, but that month he was accused of sexually assaulting a teenage girl, resulting in his being transferred to a low security ward to do at new ham general hospital.

So he's sexually assaulted a teenage girl and got moved to a lower security.

no. So he was in a half way facility.

no. And then they put him back.

And so he was a facility that was like, even really like a highly monitor. yeah. okay. And well, as soon as they let him out of that, things were going okay. And then he immediately sexually assaulted a teenage girl so that he put him in a low security facility, where now he was .

in a facility. Guys.

now he's moving on. He's like a pEddie, my guys, you, he just showed you what he'll do when he leaves. So maybe high people show you who they are, believe that people like you just showed you, my god. No, this ward provided twenty four, seven surveilLance and management of care, even those low security, but that the low security part was that I was relaxed and the residents were allowed to come and go as long as they returned by curfew.

That literally sounds like a halfway house. Yeah, that doesn't n't even sound like a fun program.

And when they really went bad, he should have been in a high, secure, absolutely. On the afternoon of february seventeenth, Peter approached one of the nurses on the world and said, can I go out? And he said, sure, as long as you're back on time and they were really stoked to get amount of there again, he had right as long as you got on time, the nurse this had to say, sure, as long as they weren't acting like they were a great lot of when that same nurse was interviewed later he described Peter as, quote, quiet, non assuming, with no signs of being unwell.

Use totally Normal that's even career yeah that he walked up to her perfectly calm and said, can I leave and he was like, sure well, that shows that like, he knows he has to be called to get what he wants, right? At the time, Peter did not tell the hospital staff where he was going, but around four thirty P, M, C, C, T, V cameras in the london hardware store recording Peter a show him leaving the store after purchasing a claud hammer, a box cutter and a screw driver. From there, he got on a bus and went to the apartment of an acquaintance of his, brian Cherry.

Now it's unclear how Peter and Cherry had known come to know each other ah, but IT seems that they had a friend in common I this um this girl was a girl that Peter had made a year too earlier um you know I think they all kind of were involved in the same drugs kind of thing OK. And this girl, this friend, this metro queens would frequently use by cherise apartment as a place where SHE and her friends could spend the day like, you know, drinking, hang you doing what? yeah.

According to the N. H. S. Reports compiled after the murder, the Young woman had a history of.

Elating brian cheran to giving her money, among other things. okay. So I think that was the kind of relationship that was happening.

You're just to give a content now Peter arrived a cherise apartment around five P. M, and he was met by brian Cherry at the door. He let him inside. But and now, and a half later, Peter brines, metro friend that I just spoke about, arrived at the apartment to deliver Cherry some cigarettes.

When SHE ranging the door bell, no one answered, so SHE didn't get a response, but he could hear some moving around in the apartment, and he knew the door was damaged and and actually didn't lock properly, so SHE just pushed the open and went into the apartment. And he said the first thing he noticed when he entered the apartment was the strong smell of disinfectant. Oh, no.

And he said that was not something he would smell in bran Cherry apartment. So SHE was a little confused by that. A the girl was startled when Peter brian appeared from out of the living room, and he was shirtless, sweating and holding a large kitchen knife.

Oh no. When the girl asked where Cherry was, Peter told her brian Cherry is dead and then tried to get her to leave the apartment. okay.

So just as he said that the girl looked into the other room behind Peter and saab. Brian Cherry lying on the floor for much you could tell. Cherry, with naked, lying on his back in his right arms, had been severed from his body.

I was lying a few inches away from him. Oh my god. Yeah, yeah. I'm terrified. SHE did her best to which I good on her. SHE did her best to act very casual because he didn't want to upset him, and he told Peter, you know what, i'm going to go and i'll see you later. And SHE just left.

That's a wild that he let her leave you goods that he never leave. But wow. And once outside.

SHE ran her friend's car and they returned to her mother's house and called the police to report what they've seen.

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When the car went out over the radio, two police constables were actually stationed in their car nearby, and they went to investigate. When they arrived at the apartment, they knocked loudly on the door several times, but no one answered, so they force their way inside. They also can immediately smell overwhelming.

disinfect and quickly. On that, I wonder, could reda had said that he smelled like this.

fetch his face with this faction?

I wonder if he also smelled heavily of disinfecting, because had done something like.

and maybe win possibility.

why do art washing your face? Exact I mean, he does. He's obviously mentally ill.

Yeah so there's something but that's interesting, you know the fuck and also .

like there's witnesses now. So like is that how is this going to happen again? How going to escalate to can? Is that .

yeah well, okay. So they only taken a few steps inside the apartment when they were confronted by Peter, who was still shirtless less. And I was covered in blood OK, assuming Peter to be the victim of the assault at first, because he was covered in blow.

yeah. They asked if he was alright, and he said he was. And IT was only after Peter explained that he didn't live there that one of the officers started searching around the department and found brian Cherry's body in the living room.

By then, Peter had removed Cherry's right leg and IT appears as though he had begun to remove the other leg and was interrupted by the police OMG. The constable also noted that cherries head and face were completely covered in blood and very damaged, presumably by the claw hammer, which was on the floor next day's body. My god is, yeah the officers asked Peter whether he was the one who dismember red the body and he replied that he had. And when they asked if brian Cherry had been alive when Peter arrived, he said, yes, he opened the door to me when .

I knocked IT just .

matter of a fact. But Peter also confirmed that he had killed Cherry, but didn't seem to know why he had done IT. And after being placed in handcuff s, he watched as the other officer became walking towards the kitchen.

And just as he reached the door, the officer, he called out her with a big sm irk on his face and said, I ate his brain with butter. IT was very nice. He's with a big smile.

yeah. Can you imagine being the police officer as you're walking into the kitchen? No, he's like, by the way.

this is what you're going to find. And did they actually find his brain outside of his?

In the kitchen, the officer discovered a horrifying scene, a plastic plate SAT beside the stove with what appeared to be flesh with human hair coming from IT. And on the stove was a frying pan with can White substance with a yellow tinge to IT. There was an open tub of butter near the cooker. And lab tests confirmed that the contents of the plate in pan or brain matter and A D N. A workup confirmed the remains were those of brian Cherry.

Oh my god.

So he literally fried up pieces of his brain with butter in his own kitchen, all the shared, yeah.

I need a little now he even blame .

was just like, excuse me. Now, despite having committed a truly shocking active violence, the officers noted that Peter was calm as a fucking cucumber sounds remarkably calm. He answered all their questions honestly into the best of visibility.

Though we seem confused about some aspects of the incident. He said, I wanted to Carry him out bit by bit and gotten get rid of the body. I used a stanly knife to cut them off in some other kitchen knives, but I had stamp on them to break the bone. Oh, fuck yeah. A few days later, when the autopsy was conducted, the technical confirmed that Cherry lips had been, quote, partly song off and partly fractured by use of force.

yeah.

So as they SAT waiting for the police van to arrive in transport Peter to the hospital, the constable tried again to understand why the fucker did this, because he was just like nonsense. And this time all he said was, I wanted his soul. He's so scary, like that is so scary.

Just avoid of all humanity yeah like truly. Now, obviously the news of brian Cherry murder was picked up by most news outlets around in IT, around london. None of them being able to resist talking about the cannabis sm aspect of IT.

Police in a forensic team worked for more than a full day processing. The scene in reporters were like, all assembled outside. At one point, one particularly shocked police officer fled the apartment and told reporters, it's horrible.

It's terrible in there. I mean, yeah, now, after being cleared by the medical examiner to ensure that he hadn't suffered any physical injuries, Peter was taken to the john Howard center. He was evaluated there by multiple psychiatrists trying to figure out what the fuck is going on and whether he was bit to even be interviewed by police in his mental state.

And after he was cleared to be interviewed, he was transferred to the custody of of the justice system in charge with Cherry murder. But in the weeks that followed, his mental health gradually declined. And by mid march, he was apparent to the staff at the jail that he was actually getting more violent and more unwell in that environment.

And they're like, we should get him out of here. So after a brief psychiatric evaluation, again, the doctors that penton bill prison agreed in on April fifteenth, two thousand and four, he was transferred to broad more hospital. Ah we've heard of year just ten days after arriving at broadmoor, Peter got into an auction with an inmate named Richard loud.

Well, he was had been awaiting his own trial for a charge of murder as well. It's unclear exactly what happened here, but at some point the argument escalates, and brian severely beat loud, well, who died injuries later, my god. When he was questioned about the attack, Peter told investigators his only regret was that he, quote, was discovered before he had tasted his flesh. I hate IT. Yeah.

I feel like he also is not just saying like, I don't think he genuine. I think maybe part of him means that but I also think he's saying things to shock and upset people. I think so too.

I has that vibe too. He does like, I mean, obviously he did. He was capable of sick when I came to one of the murders.

but so I enjoy action. But I think the shock factor fed him to now the murder of brian Cherry horrified the public yeah, not only because of the whole cable is a aspect, but also because of brian's criminal history and long history of mental instability.

Why the fuck was out out? In a statement to the press, prosecuting attune aftab ja erg said the last two killings have taken place when the defendant was under the care of the mental health regime, which has manifestly failed to protect the really what the fucker you doing bucked up? Absolutely, they did.

And in fact, the case highlighted the serious efficiencies in the nation's diffunce tional mental health system. And a lot of people were pissed off that a clearly unstable man was allowed to just be transitioned back into the community yeah. In the nhs evaluation that was conducted years later, several of the doctors and nurses on Peter team refuted the press and publication laim that they had let them, obviously dangerous person, out of the street with no plan, which are like, how do you even refute that?

yeah.

One of brain psychiatrists said, when he is relative, he can appear, appear relatively free of symptoms much of the time. In my view, this is a measure of how win psychotic. He can appear relatively Normal or remain capable of extreme and unpredictable violence and it's like, yeah, but why didn't you kind like grab onto that.

right? Like you so you .

know that that's good.

You've seen that. So don't allow him to out to be .

maybe takes some more time to figure out what that pattern is right now. In fact, he was later noted that his ability to project a sense of stability and appeared in court Normal sure is among the things that make him so danger. Yeah now fortunately for the victim's friends and family, um Peter did pleaded guilty to two charges of manslaughter for the murder of brian Cherry and Richard loud well which had been reduced from the original charges of murder because of his obvious diminished ability sure this spared everyone the pain assistance of a very sensational trial yeah I mean, that would have that what the company is in part that would have to ten of a brians family and he was just moved right into the penalty on march twenty fifty, two thousand and five a sentencing hearing was held at the old bail in london which before um after the hearing aftab jaf gie emphasize that this was not only a case of failure on the part of the mental health system, but also a situation in which the offender was thrilly unpredictable and dangerous, said the circumstances of this offending, his mental condition, the inability of experts to detect when he is at his most dangerous and his settled desire to cannibalized victims, all combined to make him so uniquely dangerous that the life sentence to be to be imposed to be a whole life sentence. agreed.

Like you guys really, you should have started with that. He literally walked into a store and attack to people of hammers.

One of you is a teenager, and I like that that he said all of that. Like he said, he has a mental condition. Yeah, he is mentally ill.

Yes, there is an inability among experts around him to even diagnose him or to tell when he is at his most dangerous because he is that good at masking. That's then is the third aspect. He's accountable, right? And he seems to like IT, and he is now had a taste.

It's like when like a dog gets a taste of human blush, you know, I am not a good thing for an animal to a taste. No of that. no. And i'm glad that he put all though, like those are all parts of why he needs to be away for a life.

He can't come out now after hearing from both sides, just gals for forester agreed with the prosecution and sentenced Peter brand to life sentences and said that brian would never be released into the community. And he said, you killed on these last two occasions because he gave you a thrilled and a feeling of power when you ate flesh. The violence on each occasion was extreme and unpredictable, accompanies by bizarre and sexual overtone the APP. Ultimately, the inquiry into the failures of the mental health system concluded that the conditions and poor staffing at bradmere war hospital and other agencies in london were major contributing factors to the murder of Cherry and loud. Well, I would say so, but that quote, there was no particular failure by any individual professional .

has actually wrong.

fundamentally point fingers. Also, the report noted that Peter brian presented with an a typical mental in this and symptoms that made a difficult to determine his capacity for violence in any given moment.

right? So if somebody y's that unpredictable.

don't let them on the street. Well, that's what I don't get. I'm like I I get that you're saying I get that you couldn't diagnosing he seems undiagnosed, get that i'm not at that, not a tal health further to keeping him in.

That's the thing. It's like if you are having trouble figuring out any of his patterns or any kind of thing, that's a sign that you have not learned enough to release, right? It's Better to keep him in there and figure IT out.

Yes, been to release him and have all this happened? absolutely. IT is. So what this inquiry, the report said, was he did not display the usual and expected signs of schizophrenia and appeared to behave Normally even when seriously mentally unwell, other than a couple of minor incidents during his early years at ramped in hospital, Peter brian had not displayed any signs of aggressive or violent behavior since he killed nichol. That is not true, fundamentally untrue.

That's them trying to save them out the exactly on the matter of the loud while murder, the panel was much more critical. The evidence suggested that Peter had planned to kill lde. Well, yeah, he went to the store. Ah IT actually said for some, IT was planned for some time before the attack and he had been waiting for a suitable opportunity solution. He had waited until they were alone in an area of the war that would not easily seen by any of nine staff members on duty.

And when he engaged loud well in an argument that eventually LED his to his death, no one was round to stop him and he knew that the report also alleges there were deficiencies in many aspects of the care provided to both Richard loud well and Peter brian, and shortcomings at every level. Within the truth, the evidence tends to suggest that a weakness in the structure and performance of management at all levels may have contributed to the context which permitted the deficient performance in latin ward at the time. In the end, no individual practitioners were held responsible for Cherry or ladled stuff as of today.

Peter, brian is still in broadmoor and will likely stay there for the rest of his wife, let's hope. Yeah, but no one else was held accountable for fucking that up. Yeah.

they should have been a hundred percent.

They like, come on. Like that was a clear fuck up defect in the system. Absolutely, that was going on.

But it's a horrifying case. I onder if they're still working to die. No, because I been very good to see what the fuck is going on in his brain. I like he's a whole he could be a whole new entry. And in the dsm, yeah like there might not be an illness yeah that we have identified, which maybe he could be .

a combination of multiple. Yeah.

which creates a new one. right? It's so scary. It's terrifying. Yx.

that was a bizarre case. Yeah, and truly horrifying. I really dislike talking about cannabis.

Sm, yeah, which is weird because we're going to do a lot about this week. Everybody go touch grass. yeah. And we hope you listening, and we hope you keep and that to go again.

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