Episode 612: The House of Flying Objects: The Popper Poltergeist
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Hey, weirdos, i'm elina into my ash, and this is more bid.

What is up, fuckers, what is up?

So we're doing something from the mean I won't IT is it's a special surprise but part of IT does involve in the .

wearing weird contact in her eyes .

and i'm wearing IT right now and she's wearing right now and it's it's .

throwing me off a through. John, well, john Franky, hate s. John said, get that out of your ebl. You literally went, oh, no.

I was sitting in the office and he was in the other room when he showed .

him when I had literally just here, uh, oh god, no, no, no. He hates a breaks about, I love IT. I think it's great. He knows now he was like, I know this is going to be like you're just going to pop that and unlike a random tuesday and just walked dom stairs on you, you should just like wake him up on morning wearing both of them and just stare at but you're afraid to put one of the other eye I have like one eye that I had like, it's just a problem. Matic, I didn't the kids.

like scratched out when .

they were yeah when they were like babies. One of my kids accidentally poked into my eye then like ripped and tore micky a you like that like I wasn't like a scratch on the cornea like a flap was like the only the worst pain i've ever felt in my entire IT wasn't immediate. I know we're getting off track, but track in the beat.

This is just, you know, it's important. And because I was bad, like that was a bad poke and you were like, my eyes was like wateringly crazy and IT was rough, but I was able to go to sleep that night, whatever. And then what happened was my eye dried out in the middle night, and I woke up, and I opened my lid, and my lid tour the remaining piece of Mickey a up.

no. And then no was the worst pain I have ever experienced in my life. And I have had three children yeah and i'm saying that confidently because I literally started to sob immediately but didn't want to wake anyone up because that's who I am.

And I went dow stairs and just passed around crying into pillow in contemplating whether I should run full force into a wall and knock myself out. That's how bad that. And i'm not saying that to be funny. That is the reality of what happened. I literally looked at a wall and I said, should I run to IT?

I'm just picturing a quiet still how they would like four yeah, everybody just here is like dog.

Just think what just fixture. Yeah, the cartoon birds, what they to the stars? No, I literally did that.

We had to go to the E. R. I remember, and they had to give me like the the nummi stuff, like the lighting. They can only give you that once they get up, right? Oh, so they give you IT and the relief is, and when you go goes away, go, this is amazing.

And then they send you home and they say what you need to get, you know, like some my person, a contact, like a healing contact, put on IT because they I do something to at to like so I wouldn't open, so IT wouldn't keep tearing open. So I had wear a hard contact for like a week, and I had to wear sunglasses for a week. I couldn't be outside in the because I was so .

exposed like burning I my eyes story.

So the story at the end of that story is just that I don't want to put a contact.

The new.

i'm just very scared of that.

I one time I think I was, no, I was eighth grade. I laughed into a pencil and you heard that right? I was locally with my glees in class 后， ding was holding a pencil and I literally went, oh, i'm like, like tilted my head back and then fell forward and scratched micky a, which that in of itself hurt.

So yeah, I can even imagine tearing my me open. And I was on catches at that point, because that summer I had broken my pElvis. And then, to add insult to mother fucking injury, fourteen years old, eighth grade, like always the greatest time of your life, I, except not at all the word I did, an eye patch searing an eyepatch well on catch, and I had, and I was on catches. I did not wear the, I patched as long as they told me too, because I said, honey, my reputation will never recover. I said him, i'm sorry, doctor, I be damned.

I don't give up. I go blind before I walk to all for the damage. My rep. Catching crush. Oh my god.

as I was ruches first so long that people just say I was faking even though, I mean, I was like, I broke my fucking pElvis. So yeah, going to take me a while to heal here.

That's like pretty big bone.

So then adding .

and I pad is not good, good. It's not good. No good. You know that ash is a layer. Know when he like SHE left with her whole body. One thing about so I mean IT for the laws, well, this one will not make you law, I don't think, but it'll make you go, huh?

So your heart, and so all this.

this is the house of flying objects, also know, I know that that kind of beautiful. And it's also known as the power pultzer. I almost was like pull toy.

That's silly.

The power pultowa that makes me also all this one is one of those cases where there isn't an answer this day they were not able to debunk. So it's hunt. But there is a theory, but this theory, again, is a theory.

And IT has not been proven in the person who the theory is against. B amiti says, not mean they did not cause this happen, right? So i'll i'll leave IT to you at the end you decide.

So this is the family was the herman family um and in this case is considered by many to be the first modern investigation into porter guide disturbances. IT was in the fifties oh and I was actually the inspiration for Stephen field bergs one thousand nine hundred eighty two and the hoppers horror ilm porter gust. Now, despite all the attention I got, the case, like I said, is still unexplained, not been able to figure out what the fuck was gone on in the house. It's really hard look at I know this is really fun to deal serious so it's like i'm serious than I have this really scary but .

it's also kind of goofy because you're just just like, reg, yeah I look your hair extensions just like i'm pretty .

my eyes scary haven't got blow out it's like you in the hunted house is just like it's you in the hunt out big blond below out the two yeah, can always be spotted. So as far as anyone could remember, the disturbances in the hermit house started on monday, february third, one thousand and fifty three uh, forty three year old James herman was at work and his wife, thirty eight year old lucio and their children, Jimmy and lucio, we're home alone at their home in long island.

new york, lang island, long island. I love when a woman named her daughter after, I think it's like in power, more life. Yeah.

because guys do IT all the time.

But you don't hear of IT with women off.

And I love that both the kids are juniors. Yes, I will also this, James, and that was lost on me. Yeah, see, they both check IT good for them.

mrs. Herman was finishing up some chores on the first fall of the house, and he suddenly heard some popping noises coming from the second floor. And when you went up to look, lucio found that a small holy water bottle on the dresser in the main bedroom, you know, like everyone had, was good.

Say, wow, just so like, okay, just they are holy water that they had on their nights. Sand, kay, its cap was unscrewed, and the bottle was laying on its side with the content, all speed. okay.

Now, in jimmies bedroom, like i'm going to call James the father and Jimmy the sun so you can OK in jimmies bedroom, lucio found that the head of a cerements c doll had been broken in several pieces of a chippy had been working on, had snapped off hand in other places in the house who see you discovered several of their bottles where the caps appeared to have simply popped off. O with no explanation. Pop off, just pop a up.

Now, although there were some minor disturbances in the house in the days after that, mostly witnessed the children. Lucian Jimmy, the problem didn't escalate until the morning of february ninth. That morning, a little after ten A M, the whole family was gathered in the dining room just eating breakfast, and they heard the popping noises again.

This time, they all heard that you seal around of the main bedroom and discovered that the cap on the holy water bottle, again had come off and the contents was filled on the on the night stand, and a bottle of expensive perfume that was also on her dresser had spilled all of that. You mess with my perfume. Yeah, I figured you are going to be set about that soup.

So she's examining these bottles being like, what the fuck is going on here? And SHE heard more popping noises as this was happening. SHE SHE went the bathroom in a shampoo bottle and a bottle of liquid medication.

Their cops had popped off and they were tipped over, and the contents was spilling everywhere. what? And again, the kids are known stairs, right?

So and then it's not like, I like, like.

these bottle .

are like pop.

I like SHE hear here, the wing IT over pop happening and is flying doesn't sound .

like a child's behavioral problem.

and it's weird. So in the kitchen also, a bottle of cooking starch exploded dam. And in the basement, a bottle of paint then are popped open and began spilling the content.

Oh no. So like what the fuck is going on? Yeah so they're all clearly alarmed by what's happening. So lucio was like, i'm calling the police. I don't know what's going on.

Like is a house like about to explode like what's I would freak out to? I would know who to call yeah I mean, you go busters. Like, what do you do?

Weird things like that happen. And like I could exact, you really think about IT early clearly, just like you would think. Like I can't determine what is happening here.

So like, i'm affraid my houses can explore. Yeah so SHE called the police, and patrolmen jay hues was dispatched to the house OK. So hues SAT with the family in the living room to take their statement.

And the officer heard popping noises coming from the bathroom, and they all went in there to look at what happened. And the officer found that both the medicine and shambo bottle had spilled again. And had popped their caps.

I love that the ghost was like, i'm not gonna hide. Yeah, he was like, okay, office. I'll do this in front of the cops column.

So lucio and James senior explained to hues at the time of the occurrences, there were no tremors in the house and no loud noises, disturbances of any kind that could be noticed. Okay, a few days later, on february eleventh, the whole thing repeated itself in the house. And Lucia called the police again and was like, it's fuck happening again.

So detective Joseph toc arrived at the harmony house and very quickly and SAT down to take their statement again. And he labelled this report, I love IT local investigation, broken bottles, that this one top of shelf guys, broken bottles, according to Lucia, since the last officer had been at the house a few days earlier, quote, the disturbances appeared to be increasing in both number and magnitude. So of course, tota first thought was, I think your children are pulling a paint on you.

Yeah, maybe, you know. And so he warned the children, he said to the children, if they were in any way connected with this case and that they were causing the distances in some way, that is a serious matter. You're taking about time. Yeah, he was like, you have to know that. Like if police survey called in your plane e prints.

you're going to be in trouble.

Yeah, I stop IT cut that out. So Jimmy and lucio, the kids, we're like, we did not do this like, I promise, and told, he said he was very convinced of their innocence, like they did not seem to have anything to do with this later that day, in much to the surprise of James and lusia herman, their story made its way into the evening edition of .

the local papers. no. And they're probably.

please don't do that. Oh, no. They loved IT. okay. And one reporter wrote, the revolt of the bottles today gripped the ones tranquille home of James hermann. I can't imagine listening to .

in .

the road IT probably wouldn't have seemed out of the ordinary to readers that a few bottle caps popped off unexpectedly ly, and then he said, but the article was quick to point out all the bottles that flipped their lids had screw type caps. And the caps were not bento or distorted. They just came out, which is weird.

Which is weird. Now, out of concern that there might be some sort of, like we said, gas league, something weird, something that that happening, some unseen hazard in this house. James called doctor Donald hues, which was an acquaintance of his who worked at the brook of a national laboratory, which was a, was a local atomic energy lab. OK.

He's a very smart I casual, and he asked, like, is my family in danger? Should I get my family out of the house? What's going on? Are we all going to explode? And hues told him I cannot think of any cause for all of this is certainly possible that some bottle might explode from over development of gas, but IT would have nothing to do with radioactivity. Okay, so he was like, I don't danger, but like, I can't explain to you what's happening.

I don't think you're in danger, but I also don't know, but I don't actually know.

I don't rightly know.

So pretty to summarize here, I don't rightly know.

So by the next day, more news outlets had picked up this story, and they were calling IT the revolt of the bottles. I'm kind of obsessed with that. I love all of this.

Like, I love that the report was called local investigation, broken bottles. I love that all the articles are calling at the revolt of the bottle. I like the bottles are revolting against this family for somewhere like, you know what, we've had enough yeah and like I said, the herman's actually like loved IT.

They were enthusiastically responding, depressing crews OK. On february twelfth, detective toc return to the house in response to another complaint this time, they said additional bottles were popping off and a plastic Angel ornament had a wing snapped off. Oh, that some yeah.

So tot sy took the bottles in the Angel is evidence, but didn't really have anything else for them. He was like, I don't know what's going on here, but i'll take them as evidence. okay? So as he left that afternoon, they were like a ton of reporters, photographer's camera crews is that had started together on the front line of the house.

Of course, they're all interested to learn like this must be pair Normal. What's going on? So mrs. Herman LED, the group through the house, he said, truck all, he said, sure, pointing out where the various disturbances occurred in a man that nobody knew worked his way to the front of the crowd and introduced himself as, quote, a holy man from center.

more riches and sucking obsessed .

with I am a holy man I love IT IT gets even funny er because immediately after introducing himself, the man just dropped to his knees, dropped to his knees in the dining room instead of praying loudly and excitedly for about ten .

minutes street OK so I don't .

really love that but when he was finished, he turned to lose al herman and said, everything's all right. You've been forgiven and then he just walked out of the house, gotten his car and drove the fucking away and no one saw him again.

That's the kind of energy i'm looking for.

Mining is the prayer. He's like how i'm a holy man and then he's just boom, prayer ten minutes and then he just gets up and he's like, you good, you've been forgiven and then he just reads and never comes back with the fuck.

But this is very early on in the story, he said, that seems like I didn't work.

But honestly, the star of the story, just introduce yourself and then go for IT .

also a wait to like to feed the rumor milk by looking directly at luc being like.

it's all good and like you think, what did you do?

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This supposed holy man from center Morris was just the first of many unusual characters to appear in the lives of the harmans to give solutions some kind of explanation for what was going on in their house. That same day, the family was visited ted by doctor Norman photo, who was a new york city of psychoanalyst who had been studying ying studdard studdard, studying the phenomenon of ghosts for several day decades. At this point, I don't know. I can speak.

It's hard.

According to doctor Norman, uh, the destruction in the herman's house was being caused by a porter guys, which he described as, quote, a kind of biological life force that in some admittedly unknown manner leap out of a person's body and physically affects objects at a distance. Okay, so doctor Norman explained that pulls guys ectivity. And this is a thing related to Peter guys secure. It's commonly associated with adolescence undergoing puberty.

I did know that. Yeah and it's .

speculated that the pulte guy energy was likely coming from twelve year old Jimmy. okay. Now to the hermans in the press, in the public.

Honestly, the explanation seemed as plausible as any at this point. They really sure. Why not?

I love that the public is like down for yeah the is yeah because usually very like they are like astros zed, the family you like. I got pluck and great.

I think in the fifties they were just .

like what I talk .

not but they still welcomed any advice or any alternative explanations. They were just like, sure will pin that one on the board yeah. The detectives at the seventh pricing, for example, instructed lucio to try and experiment.

They said, fill ten bottles with water and watch them throughout the day to see if they were affected, but by the end of the day, they were still intact. Okay, so that's interesting. Meanwhile, an electrician from the long island lighting company visited the house and inspected all the secretary top to bottom. He found no faulty wiring, no issues that could be causing disturbances in the technician.

When, as far as setting up a device capable of detecting the slightest vibrations and detected nothing that's really cool, other, more supernatural explanations were definitely offered by the public, including those relating to the positions of, you know, the stars in the planets in the sky, or something like that yeah, which is like, I don't think that had to do with this. I don't think to do this. You things related to high frequency vibration, the erosion of a stream under the house, causing the ground to shift, and subtle on detective ways that people really reaching for anything they can tap in to here.

Now, all the media attention surrounding what they were now referring to as the house of flying objects eventually extended beyond just new york and then ended up reaching jb. Ryan, who was the founder duque universities for paris psychology lab in dorm north Caroline so cool um ran was a button by training but he had also maintained a very serious interest in the paranoid for decades. He was very, very into IT.

Ah he was introduced to the concept in the one thousand hundred and twenty years actually wow when he and his wife attended lecture by um a mean you might know the name of a world renowned offer and paraNormal enthusiast, sir Arthur on dole. Do we know him? Sure like .

homes he went, do we think? I don't actually know.

Within a few years of that lecture, ryan, in a small number of research assistant, started investigating because he was very like interested in money, had to say, and they started investigating the potential for extra sensory perception E S. P. By testing students at duke university and officially starting the lab in one thousand hundred and thirty.

So you really got that's really cool and very like like ahead of this time. Yeah, truly. So ryan and his institute at duke were dedicated to the scientific pursuit of the paraNormal.

So from the outset, he hoped to apply the scientific method to researching the paraNormal, and he enthusiastically ally rooted out frames and shirleen in the paraNormal world. He was gonna call your s out. He was going to bunk your shit.

cool. That's his job. yeah. If you can, if you can explain IT cool but if you can explain IT, he's going to be IT.

He's like ghost untr is internet, you know yeah like like taps. Yes, yes, yes. They do bunk.

So among the most notable achievements that he had was the debunking into fAiling of mini crane. IT was a notorious psych medium who had been defrauding and exploited people for years. Through her things get fucked me like that. One of his notable achievements was proving the cheese a charton.

Hey, that I love the word charleton, and I do to.

But he had also been looking for an opportunity to be expLoring the pulte guys phenomenon, because that had become a thing in the room, a world at this time. And he told a reporter of his learning of the human case, we are always glad to be informed of puzzling phenomenon, either human or animal. We don't have any record that has been adequately proved.

So for the time being, ran asked colleague in new york to look into the case and just kind of report back as to whether you have even worth investigating, like take a look, let us know, get involved. In the meantime, the activity of the uh, herman house, I I had to take a deep breath after code. I don't know anybody else, so i'm still like I had a breath like very easily.

That's not great. Yeah it's just want to sell a cough. So I think about so in the meantime, the activity of the house escalated in frequency and intensity. A few days after told he is last visit on february thirteenth, the family continued to get experiences like bottle caps you pop in off their bottle yeah. All the contents spilling and the incidents were accompany by objects flying around the room. And okay, he in Jimmy's bedroom, a plastic Angel ornament flu from its position on the nights anding crashed, and do a statue of David croft for feet away.

That is the most iconic thing i've ever heard.

Period angle statue. Anything itself in the David croft like that happened, he said, fuck you dabi and there was several illiterate fuck you dav crock. And there were several of their instances where things were flying at the family essentially.

Just think that there's been a couple .

of instances of Angels now later that afternoon, a water bottle in another perfume bottle in the main bedroom lost their lids. The content spilled out, but this time the bottles were reported to be hot to the touch. okay.

Now, herman said, I just gone into the room with my son and daughter, and we noticed that another bottle had fAllen IT was hot, as if luck warm water was in IT. This was the first time I had noticed that, like that particular thing. And what I said of that is those are two conflicting ideas, um how is IT hot if there's lukewarm water? And I thank you because when I have lukewarm water, IT does not make the outside hot. no. IT makes you look warm.

correct? So i'm confused by that.

yeah. But if IT .

taught to the touch was IT like heat IT up somehow, and outside didn't like pressure, and then I got pressure and that's why the bottles .

are pop in off and it's like somebody .

walk around .

like a lighter yeah and it's like, remember, this is the fifty. So do they have .

litters and fifty three matches.

And I think that's what's important is like there's so many things in here, are you going to go well, it's that then you have to be like weight. It's the fifties, but they even know how to do that. You know you mean like they're so you you got to like bring IT back and they have me like way to second, not impossible like all these things that we're gona come through. But like.

interesting I like what you learned in science such a musing .

I know because these twelve remember so .

not he wouldn't have like super advance yeah .

you shouldn't have a .

scientific .

college yeah unless he's .

like really in the .

science what he could be his dad was friends with scientists. Like so yeah it's obviously, you know but a few days later, the intensity of the attacks appear to increase. OK bottles were now shattering, which is interesting.

Ink was being thrown across the walls and more ornaments and figurine, or flying from the shelves and smashing on the floor against the wall. To this point, IT was the hermon's alone who'd experience of this, if no one else was in the house. But on february twenty first, detective told I was in the house.

When in the joining room, he saw a porter and figure shoot ten feet across the room and smash itself against the wooden secretary, putting a sizable dent in the wood. wow. So i'd had to have been launched hard. yeah.

And he saw that nobody was in that room. He launched itself.

all he saw was this thing launched itself across the world, and its it's a portion in figure and IT hit that wooden thing so hard that there was a sizable bent, which is craze which takes for that. Yeah, absolutely. So toy documented this and return to the pricing.

The lesson. An hour later, he was called back to the house spite lucio. And when he got there, he found mrs. Herman and the children huddled together in the hall, saying SHE figured that would be the safest place or because he was saying, like, everything is flying at us. Like, i'm afraid one of the kids is gna get her.

So according to Lucia, not long after a detective toc left the house, I went crazy like things at the ferocity and directness was something they had not. Experiences like that IT was, things were being throwing hard and they were being throwed directly at them like, and that hadn't have before. Before I was kind of flying across the room.

maybe near them. Well, that kind of like what happens with portuguese leg gradually.

exactly. And in fact, whatever was no pop and caps, I knew you'd like that popping caps, like literally poppy cap bottles and hurdling objects seem to now be doing so with the kind of like aggressive Venus symbionts that implied sentience, like IT implied that they, this thing was angry at the hermes themselves. I kind of fucking love that, but I like IT implied that they are this thing is trying to hurt them like I don't .

wanted to hurt them. I don't love that, but I just I love .

a sentient being yeah like a this is seems like a sentient like it's making a choice.

It's dip off the sun for maybe they just told that guy get him out. This forgiven. Yeah, exactly.

yeah. no. IT wasn't enough to ARM the family with a like when I was, like, a few bottles popping off here and there, like they were more just confused by that. Yes, they weren't like super scared and was hurting under attack, but that's a thing. Now it's destroying their property and hurling objects at them and .

think like of like the sentimental things that you have.

And they are worried that this is gonna urt the kids. So the disturbance on the night of the twenty first was so intense that the next day j James and Lucia thought IT was best to go stay with family members here um just to get a break like they were like we don't want to deal with the maybe anymore. We don't want to deal with what's going on the house. So that seems like very overwhelming, James harman told the reporter, my wife has lost sleep during the last days, and the kids are getting behind on their homework or no so while they were staying with relatives, lucio received a call from Helen conney, who was a seventy .

four year old .

widow in revere mashups. rovio.

My sister was thinking about moving to revise, and I was like, you're going to live in .

rovio and he said, no and anymore, he said, never mind. So Helen from reviere calls and and also seventy four year old tell.

and I just have to do like a quick side note here. I had a client from reviere when I was sold at the hersel, and her name was tony. And SHE had red hair and he was like an older lady.

And SHE was the coolest fuck and brought i've ever met. I love that. I love tony. And tony, somehow, for some reason, you listening to this.

I miss you. I love you, your phenomenal tony. For me, SHE was the coolest.

No, also Helen just wanted to help, but so was SHE cool. So Helen and calls and SHE had read about the experiences in the paper. O and SHE wanted to offer some advice.

And Helen from review, I got something italia. SHE said he had the same thing in April last year. He told them of tables, chains, ashtray dishes, lamps, even an artificial fireplace was lifted like paper. An artificial fie, an artificial fireplace was lifted like paper, he said, according to Helen, a building inspector looked over the home and determine the cause of the problem was built up gases trapped in the chimney.

We had the inspector come out. He searched around.

my god, we had the inspector si come out. And he told then IT was just built up gases trapped in the chimney. It's just gasses.

And when he was freed back into the house, IT would blow items around the house. Okay, yeah. And while they were away, detective toc was like, I like, cool.

Like that sounds value. Like, thank you, Helen, from movie. And he was like, that all I just wanted to help.

I think IT might be gases. And you, thank you. Do you have an art official fireplace? Queen, queen. So while they were a way of staying with family, detective toxic arrived, arranged for the home to have a turbine style ventilator installed on the outside of the shy and that would prevent any downdrafts from entering the house. That way because like let's debt that like let's get that, maybe that's a may be 手 IT did seem a little a unlikely that drafts .

were the problem with this house。

I know drafts are the objects to. I just want to rule out any potential explanation and in response to request for comment from a reporter, john ditti, C, A chairman of science at the merchant marine academy, refuted this gases theory. He said, activity like that as the result of just the free movement of gases doesn't sound plausible OK. The idea sounds rather fantastical to me.

That's funny because my response was that sounds possible, like that does not sound possible.

Now if the herman's temporary stay with relatives was supposed to give them a break from the media attention in the disruptions, IT wasn't exactly successful, at least in terms of the media attention. In fact, them fleeing their home and desperation really only generated more interest in the story. Makes sense um and IT didn't seem like the herman's minded IT like too much weren't like super cut off by IT.

Um they definitely like entertain the press when they needed to like they think they just kind of kept them on their side. Yeah which is smart. I was no there on you.

On february twenty fourth, dave khan, a reporter from the lone island newspaper news day, actually moved into the herman's home while they were living with the family to cover the story from a first stand perspective, he wanted to experience IT at cool. And in his first report from the house, conn referred to his initial night as a frightening experience. Really, according to him, the activity began the evening of first night a little after eight P.

M, as he in James senior were sitting in the dining room having coffee out of nowhere, khan heard a loud crash from the living room and rushed in and found a figure had smashed against the woodden secretary. Interestingly, connotes that just after he heard the crash, SHE jumped out of his chair and ran into the living room and he said, but jim, I got there before us. 嗯。

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Now, a short time later, after the reporter had settled back in the dining room, they heard a qual low rumble come from upstairs, and when they went to investigate, they found that the dresser in jimmies bedroom had inflicted ly tipped over.

And he said, I tried when I heard the noise, like he tried to move IT and to me told his father in han, but he said, in a part of the dresser landed on my foot, I only thought fall the last few inches, which so he was like in the room when I happened and I was actually like very nearer the dresser in fact, he said to fell on this that would lead you to believe that maybe Jimmy is doing this yeah cause how can you not there's that or this is the possibility like they said, pull together activity um can eminent from a somebody in ery going through an analyst going through puberty. So maybe it's because he's around that. That's why it's happening near him.

Or maybe two things can be true at once. These things are happening. But also Jimmy s have a little bit of fun at the same time because this is a little .

exciting and I think that's the most valid explanation. So I think this is not ji, maybe i'm not accusing him.

no, but madly legem. Maybe he had .

something to do with that. Now, after the dressing fell, James herman promptly called detective toxic, who came out to the house but could not figure out what the what happened. He said, there was something especially strange about the noises, or exceeded you to didn't saying this cons, this OK at the reporter, there was something especially strains about the noise of accompany both disturbances.

IT was almost explosive, which is that interesting, he said, in the low rumble last in an abNormally long time, and both noises seem to elude the immediate location. Later that night, other objects flew from their locations, including a large bookcase in jimmie bedroom that was seemingly push away from the wall by understand hands. Most baffling of all, at least for khan, was an incident that occurred the next night.

IT was a little after nine pm, and he said, as I SAT alone in the corner of the living room, a ten inch cardboard globe of the world flipped silently out of, out from Jimmy's dark in bedroom in my direction, and bounced into the opposite corner of the living room. I jumped up, ran into Jamie room and snapped on the light. The boy was sitting up in bed, the covers over his legs neurally.

I tried to discover whether Jimmy had thrown the globe. I found that I was possible, but improbable. The globe could not have landed where IT did if I had been thrown from the bed.

because he have just huddled to bed really quickly.

he could have. But they said that he would have to be very quick to get back in there. Would you? good. okay. Now, when he noticed all the incident that occurred at the home, he noticed that they all had one thing in common. Same situation with Jimmy has existed in every one of these strange occurrences since february third, when they started tormenting the family.

He noted that in every case, Jimmy was near the affected object when IT moved, and in all cases he possessed the strength to move the object himself. okay. However, he did have difficulty accepting that Jimmy could have been the real cause for all the disturbance. Ces, he said there is the physical improbability of him having the speed to say, get back in bed fast enough after so throwing that globe, or the strength to throw figurine with the the explosive force they display, like danton the wood.

So he ended up being driven to the theory, quote on quote, that had become the most popular in common at the time they had a porter guys, and that he might be eminent from Jimmy now after following the story in the press in speaking with the herman's and detective toc J. B. Ryan, our scientists from before was convinced that whatever was happening in the house was at least worth investigating at this point.

So in early march, ryan sent his trusted longer assistant. Jay gave her proud to seafood in long island, along with a relatively new member of his research team, William role. William role was a german psychologist who'd been with the institute for like a little less than a year.

The two researchers moved into the house and started investigating um and they consulted with experts from R C A communications who were brought to determine whether the house was being affected by radio waves or other disturbances in the electromagnetics. They really try to debunk at everything here while the R C A scientists evaluated the house patton role set out out interviewing the members of the human family about like the beginning, yeah, beginning till now. According to James, he became convinced at a supernatural problem.

On the morning of february nth, he said he was talking to Jimmy, who was in the bathroom brushing his teeth, and he said, I was standing in the doorway of the bathroom wall. Jimmy was brushing his teeth and he said, he told investigators, all of a sudden, two bottles were that were placed on the top of the vanity table, were seen to move. Both bottles moved at the same time.

Okay, that's weird. He insisted that both bottles had previously been under the sink and we're recently put on the table. So he concluded the caps had become unscrew while they were under the sink. okay. He was witnessing the bottles move on their own at that time.

So he said, that's what made me think, okay, this isn't like gas or something something paraNormal happening here, right? So since the phenomenon began in early february, the activity in the house really escalated the day after day um and again, IT became really aggressive, especially in the presence of non family members in the house. But now that patent role to trained experts were in the house, the porter guys activity won't completely quite. A.

the equipment set up by the R.

C, A. Technicians were registered in no change in the electromagnet activity in the home didn't pick up any unusual radio waves. So prat made IT pretty clear going into this investigation, one of the researchers that their objectives were very clear. He was to decide whether one jimmie is deliberately causing these things to happen and cleverly concealing them because it's pretty clever how two, that Jimmy is the agent for a porter, gst or three. I'm thinking of jie just like signing a palter being an actually lets go getting him some opportunity.

We haven't ad coming in for you.

Jimmy. It's time to tour. Let's go. So it's like Jimmy from hax say, go jim is the engine so he's on pulte guys some tory let's take the show on the room or three that there's A A mixture of both yeah that he's involved somehow but not not the way we might think kit now and then a few days patent roll had all but ruled out the involvement of James and lucio for parents.

And they ruled out lucio, the daughter. Okay, jimmie, the daughter was often out of the house or was fully asleep. And most of the incidents are red. You said, baby, i'm .

catching up.

But the two identified Jimmy as the thing connecting all the events. Okay, though they did drugs, they stop short of drawing any conclusions about how previously you previously how he was involved, but their suspicions causes everyone in the house parents. Researchers called the reporter to keep an extra close size on Jimmy.

yeah. Now since the onset of the pulse guys activity, like we said he was everywhere, was in the local, regional, national papers all the time, readers had a really close looking on this family. And the disturbances happening in the level of awareness that this caused was a kind of brought in like amateur sooths. What we would now have have as internet yeah even back down in the fifties but these had to write into the papers and called the police department with um and the this type of engagement can be interpreted IT as a kind of support, which was typically accompanied by explicit support from those following the story. But when the narrative shifted towards suspicions that Jimmy might be the cause of some of these distances, the public sentiment about the herman's pulled guise by then referred to as the power portuguese.

You are so boss I everything porter, especially when you say pop palter guys.

I think I can say two earth yeah and I can get one allows says you can park the car I know .

I can't say IT right that's funny power pull terriss I actually don't like that pull .

terriss um so they were a less sympathetic yeah and this I would be, which i'll so like, remember, this kid is twelve.

Everybody not sure. I mean, I won't. I would just to charge me to heard that about the .

whole world bullying him away. And but as public criticism of Jimmy, this twelve boy grew, jm senior did what any parent would do and took to the press to defend his son. yeah. And in atic, ally rejected the belief that you, me, had anything to do with the activity in the house. yeah.

He said, because the scientists of this country can't come up with an answer to this, people are trying to make escape route out of a twelve year old boy who can't fight back. I mean, yeah, but James then stopped there. He went on to say, he he threatened to bar anyone from his home who openly question Jimmy's intentional involvement in the enamel on.

I understand the dad and him wanting to do that because I really like fucker.

You don't come for my kid. That's the thing. I can understand his role as apparently like fuckyou.

You're not questioning IT. But at the same time.

I to gure what's going on in your house to put that role into a letter extent dave con into like A A difficult position. Yes, because they're like, what if IT is? Because they want to find out what's happening here.

If they want to remain in the home and continue to do their work, they have to ignore the idea. The theory that, to me, is doing IT eventually do that. That's not how the scientific method were exactly so, which is not good.

So despite the growing skeets tics, m in near total lack of activity in the house at this point, pratting role continue the investigation um so proud said, I draw no conclusion, whatever what soever from the fact that there was no unusual occurrence after I came because there was so much turmoil in the house at that time he said, you know but nevertheless, the lack of activity made IT unnecessary for the researchers just to stay in the house very long while they were conducting the investigation so they just return to duke and continued to research from a far yeah very like we don't need to be in the house. We didn't see anything right now less than one day after pratting roll left along island IT all began again, huh? A table in jimmies room crashed to the floor, breaking a Crystal table lamp of my other things.

It's interesting now that IT like a lot of IT is .

happening in Jimmy yeah and the incident prompted another call to detective tosa, who rushed the house soon as he was called. And according to tote sea, James reported that at the time his son was, quote, flat on his back in bed, with the cover pulled up to his chin.

so he couldn't .

have possibly caused the table to fall that people to the father. Now, despite the convenient timing of the return of the activity, IT does appear. Everyone involved remained unwilling to consider seriously whether Jimmy was causing the activity in the house. That snot great role said, and this was one of the researchers role.

Um the fraud hypothesis would be easier to accept and I get this, the fraud hypothesis would be easier to accept if I could be supposed that the other members of the family were acting as jammies accomplices right the parents um that is to say that you know a pattern role would be more likely to accept the idea that was a hoax if IT wasn't a child that was perpetuating this entire thing yeah prat was equally infected in his rejection of the frag fraud. everything. I don't believe for a moment that there is any glossary hooks behind and you are too like very well respect well respected researchers and they don't need to be in the house SONY more so they don't need to bullshit.

right?

Like so there are at least saying that that they believe if there is a hooke's happening, he's families involved and we can't seem to connect that right. And the other one to saying, I don't believe that there's a whole hog here. I think there's something happening now.

While the return of the activity was an exciting development for pattern role, others were less enthusiastic to family. I will in detective toc, who's probably a little sick of this yeah, he said I have actual crimes to invest. You literally said it's the dimmed this case i've ever worked on and it's beginning to go on forever. It's true because for what had been started as a call about like a weird disturbance about a month earlier, the case had exploded and started attracting all this attention from all over the world and all of IT was rooted directly through detective joices, by march told sea was a spending a significant amount of time coming through the correspondence ces received by the seventh, freeing on behalf of the hormones like people riding in to say, this is what I think is happening. This is what you should do.

but and that's a lot of shit to go through.

And this was a lot of letters on how to deal with the problems with suggestions s ranging from kill your house.

What does that exactly? Me, I like, I give you like stabbing, shoot your house down.

And another one was burn cellphone in every room. Oh god, yeah. Another one was wave a White cell kani in every room.

We have a light flags. You know, a great you to guys.

this is you. I like that one. I will go. This is my favorite. Buy a horse .

that's IT I want.

That's the tweet. Horses have mysterious powers to just buy one.

I agree that the kind of like adding al expenses .

and as much as detective would have, like to move on to a more pressing matters. He was ordered to keep a closer on this now wildly popular story. Yeah, he said, the breast doesn't like anything to happen around here. They don't know about. So he's like, so now I have stuck here I am.

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So by mid march, IT seemed even the porter guys typically on tired of the whole thing yeah um as six days, then ten, then twenty past in the harman house without a single incident. Okay, despite the quiet in the house, enthusiasm and interest in the case definitely remained. Members of the public were still calling, sending letters, even dropping by like, yes, James told the reporter.

On march seventeenth, two couples were over here with weed AA boards. Not sure what they were trying to do, but I didn't let them in. Do you think I want the whole house to fall down around our years?

He said, good. He is puppy energy. He's like a fuck out.

fuck out. Get life. So that said, in into the activity was surprising to James and Lucia. Her just all the sudden was done. Yes, he was just done who'd been dealing with daily destruction, their home forever a month, yeah. But prada explained that in his experience, something, such things tend in that way, lucio said.

He said that whatever force had been causing IT just goes away, and usually they don't come back while the hermes were certainly happy to have some piece and quiet in their home, the abot like on ceremonies and a public doesn't like that. No, not like things like a meat ball. Yeah, we need to know what's going on on because they've been closely following the case and they wanted an explanation.

They want to. So a short time later, pratting role provided the family with their report. Finally OK, the researchers counted a total of sixty seven incidents, wow. Sixty four in which an object moved on its own OK, and three in which unexplained thumping could be heard somewhere in the house.

Okay, um this so rollo gather and I spent ten days with the family under circumstances which we felt gave us close queen with all of its members and we were unable to accept the family hook hypotheses as a reasonable one. interesting. Yeah, the researchers concluded that after ruling out fraud and other possible explanations, the R S P K hypothesis had to be taken seriously.

For this case, R S P K is recurrent, spontaneous psychogenic is hm IT was a popular theory among those at the duke lab for explaining the decidedly unscientific old world explanation of ghosts and poulter guys. In role theory, a person, and in many cases, children can produce a discharge of psychic energy strong enough to disrupt the zero point gravity of an object. That which is the thing awesome, the thing that keeps IT in place that which caught that which exactly which causes IT to appear as though that has flown across the this is more commonly observed in cases where the individual is in a highly aroused or unsettled emotional or psychological state.

k. Teachers, adolescence, going through puberty, you role, wrote the pulls guys says a reputation of being elusive, if not playing invasive. This was not true.

And seafood things sometimes happen in full view of people and when outside of visitors were present yeah so while the researchers were unable to conclusively prove the cause of the activity, they were inclined to believe it's supported the theory of R S P K. Yeah um they were satisfied that the activity was most likely unintentionally caused by Jimmy. Okay, this seemed an adequate explanation for some people make some unhappy, especially those who are eager to.

Just like with the story, you get bored of a story like when you're be experiencing IT. But not everyone found the R, S P K theory to be that you, are you. In their own report on the incident, the psychology foundation of new york concluded that Jimmy was most likely the culprit.

Everyone leaves to me, leave .

Jimmy oo. And they noted that he might have caused the disturbances by Normal means if he so wish. No.

you know, maybe he was just violin. These streets, maybe what the fuck I see you going to do, I know. So.

you know, although they were unable to prove their belief that Jimmy had tention ally caused the disturbances, that group of paris psychology group was headed by former duke paris psychology library searcher carless oasis I really love. They pointed out to the suspicious timing of the events, which this will give you a little bit of a pause. Oh no, they wrote.

Disturbances during school hours occurred only on weekends. In the evenings after eight thirty P. M, when, according to mister herman, Jimmy had gone to bed. The the phenomenon occurred at that point, either in his room or in places near his bedroom door.

Me, in the hours .

when the children might definitely be assumed to be a sleep, nothing happened. Well, this was their working theory. Oasis was quick to ad. Of course, this is not an accusation, but merely one possible explanation. Yeah, the presence of James, her major Jimmy and all likelihood was a necessarily condition for the occurrence of the phenomenon.

So they're not necessarily saying he doing this, but he's gotto be awake and in the house, his presence is needed or not saying he did this intentionally, but we're not not saying he did this intentionally. We're saying it's a possibility. While oasis in the paris psychology foundation may have a kind of hedged their bets with that, they definitely avoided blaming Jimmy out right, which is nice, is nice.

Skeptical investigator joe nico had no problems. Blame where he thought IT a long flier in his review of the evidence years later, nick wrote, taken as a whole, the evidence strongly points to twelve year old James ham in junior as having been the deliberate cause of the sea ford polter guisti break. The motive means in opportunity were his in the case was unwilling ly prolonging by the credulousness of adults so nico points to the fact efforts made by magician melbourne Christopher to explain the phenomena in one thousand nine hundred and fifty eight which concluded an extensive recreation of the bottle popping in other incidents that he performed for role in.

So he was like, this can be done right? But by a twelve year old yeah, possible. Yeah, but it's just like, wow, like that a lot. Yeah, it's advanced. He said proud had no idea of the simplicity with which the effects were accomplished and roll imagined that that James, as tricks, would have had to have been produced by special devices, which I would have been installed, Operated and removed in the presence of adult witnesses.

So you are saying, like patent role, or under the impression that whatever was happening here would been very advanced in something that he would have had devices but not cessile, then nickel was able to show him like some kind magic ship, like kind of like slide of hand. Okay, that he was like, you really don't need that advanced. Yeah, you know. But like did you me know about this as the twelve year old know how to do that?

I don't know if he's magic and but it's and like you said, like the family was connected to scientists so who knows what conversations he said in on yeah or eve dropped on even and it's worth .

knowing again to that. The only reason patent role really ruled out the hoax theory was that they couldn't find them. Any of the adults in the house having been involved really didn't believe the adults are involved in this. And they couldn't accept the fact that Jimmy e would have been able to execute this entire hooks on his own but the nickles kind of showing them like he might have been able yeah but he's also now proving inconclusively conclusively that he could do all he's just saying like some of the .

stuff you're a little like .

if on now those who have investigated the case, dr. Ring, and after the incidents they agreed on very little if there was a lot of different series going on, everyones kandy yelling each other, but most do appear to be of one mind when I came for the motive for the activity, like we said, like that role in a couple of other people said the psychogenic is that they were talking about how we can happen when somebody is like a very highly emotional or disturbed state. yeah. So they figured that the destruction was caused unintentionally, maybe, or intentionally. But they said, either way, they think the motive might have been Jimmy's allegedly poor relationship with what they referred to as his demanding and generally unsupportive father.

Oh.

that's obama. But again, I didn't expect that yeah. And in the psychological evaluations of Jimmy and lucio, the kids at this time, the child's psychologists concluded that Jimmy demonstrated passive dependance ss hostility to father figures and personal violence and isolation of effect.

Oh, wow, that's watch twelve year old. They took to believe to be repressed feelings of anger towards his father. That's really sad. So that is that can go either way, that can go with I.

Did he intentionally do this for attention? Was, what was that? Is that so consciously? Was this some kind of strange, like puter .

guys .

that happens because of highly agitated in emotional state? Like, almost like Carry? yeah. yeah. Like, could IT be there? sure. Yeah.

I could see both. All that makes me so sad when the dad came out inside, you know, like nobody is like a logic and accused my son.

I was like, yeah, well, that's why. Like, I don't know a lot about their relationships. So I don't want to sit here and like speculate that they in this awful relation and there .

was something really designed.

I don't know if anybody really had like the idea relationship with her father back then. No, he did come to bat for Jimmy during this whole thing. But I don't know what their relationship was before that and we do have a child psychologists who saying he seems that anger towards his father yes so take with that well but again, we don't have all the facts of that. So allegedly um there were of course other theories as to the cause of the disturbances and the most interesting and outlandish were definitely offered interestingly by Younger readers of the papers who'd been following the story and wanted to weigh him okay, one fourteen year old reader wrote in it's the pressure in the bottles. That's what's making them pop.

I mean, okay, gully.

But then the reader went on to say, I can also tell you what isn't the cause of these events? What's not IT isn't martians or things on other planets, as some seem to believe? Don't blame me on the soviet union or any other country either.

Uh, another reader to take, fifty year old cnd SHE said the soviet might have done to have something to do with the events. But why is only happening and only one house? Well, that's a great question, Sandy. b.

3， i grew up to be a conspiracy there.

SHE is so, so we must ask. That was in a poor gust, recurrent, spontaneous, psychokinesis soviet, or a childish print that the human household to explode for one month? I never.

the Better IT was to this day.

to the day. We don't know. I know it's not martians and I we don't know whether it's a pultowa recurrent, spontaneous psychogenic is the soviet or a childish brk IT?

Could big stuff like what i've heard today? I would like to think that I was pulled. Guys see. And may be influenced like put on a little bit longer by jim jim.

I can see that by jim jm. Jim jm, now, after the media interest in the story died down, they just kind of like the family just settled back into their lives yeah James senior, you know, unsuccessfully ran for public office before retiring from his job. OK, luc, you got a part time job as a school nurse after the kids moved out of the house okay. Um and Jimmy maintained that he had absolutely nothing to do with the activity in house right did not intentionally do IT or intentionally I should say he said maybe with my vibes, but I was .

maybe my box were off, but I wasn't my body.

but I wasn't my ball um he said I did not do that and according to the hermans they never had another experience like those in one thousand nine hundred fifty eight oh s James told the reporter in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. Not a thing is is happening around the house now everything's been peaceful and quiet every day since IT stopped in one thousand nine hundred and fifty eight. interesting.

Jimmy graduated from college and went on to become the president of an electronics company in north andover, mass. To truth for you. yeah. Oh, where was the .

house of flying objects in long island? And of course.

although the hermann's themselves mainly kind of just faded back into domestic city by I ve is good for them. Uh, their story definitely lived on past past those that one year here we are. IT was the subject of everything from TV talk show father, because I remember that back then I was like, all about that chip.

I like anal rain. We're on top shows. Like there is TV movie plots. And even again, one of the biggest ones, the main inspiration for Steven spielberg and toby hoper nineteen eighty two horns. There's definitely like since then, since one thousand hundred and fifty eight, there's obviously been some like way more frightening in intense phenomenon that we can explain.

But the story of seafood house, of flying objects is definitely going to always have the distinction of being really the first modern paranal investigation in the united states is really cool and the first obsessively documented and like in handled by the american press. Yeah, this is the one that really was the first one to get the attention of the american. And just take IT, a really popped, a really popped off.

So whatever you think is what you think, and that's fine because I don't have a fucking clue. But I think I think the vibes are off. So I think the vibes are off.

I think we can all agree that the vibes are off. I think I don't think, I don't think twelve year old jimmie mountainy harm, and I don't think he did all of IT. Yeah, I don't think intentionally.

I really don't think he meant any harm if he had anything to do with that. I don't. And IT seems like the family recovered after that, and they went on to live peacefully and quietly.

So, good, good. And hopefully his really ship with his dad. If IT wasn't great, I hope I got Better.

allegedly. Yeah, perfect. Me too. You know, what an interesting story.

a very interesting story. I liked that because it's got spooking us to, but it's more just like an interesting look at like like the hopes of IT all in the scientific investigation, of IT all.

I liked that part like the scientific investigation because they took IT really seriously and they didn't get I like when they actually like genuinely scientifically investig verses like the editing kind of investigations. I think those are cool, but like we've talked about them a lot who is interesting to .

here like a different kind of the look at IT using .

the scientific method kind I like that.

They do that because I thought I love. I think it's goes on steps, right? Yeah, I was confused. Ghost adventures go hunters goes, what's i'm like .

ninety nine percent positive that ghost hunters .

as taps and then ghost adventures.

yes.

yeah, good hunters. taps. I really love. That's why I always love to that show because I just love the spooky vibes, the approach.

And it's like from and so are and but they go about IT intentionally going into debunk and then they let things take them from there. But they don't go in being like, I think this is a ghost. They go in being like I think something is appear and i'm going to like school, we deal.

I'd like that, but different. That's a good way to go into, in my opinion, person. Ally, if you would do that, a paraNormal stigmas to go in with the intention of debunking and peace. Surprised if you're surprised.

I think a lot of paraNormal happenings are related to science in some way to perform. It's all energy. It's all energy. You know, drink.

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people.

seventy four year old Helen was just out here, been like you what you know what? I had to set the same fucking in thing happened to me in April.

He said he was crazy.

He was crazy. Facial fireplace.

like paper. What is an artificial fireplace?

I think it's like one of those like literally fake little fire like fireplace, like a what's up I can called, but that's a hear. I almost like a space heater o but I think IT like looks like a little fire. Okay, I got this is of a little, but that shot like paper that's terrifying.

Those things are also so dangerous.

Be careful, be very careful around those things, especially we get into the winter months here for. But yeah, interesting forever.

How long? I really like that case.

I, jimi.

hope Jimmy, do you .

mean James .

so well? I hope you guys are doing more too. Also hope that you .

keep listening.

and we hope you not. So we are, you don't say off and you reveal x oh.

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