Episode 609: The DeFeo Family Murder
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Hey, weirdo, i'm melina and i'm ash, and this is more bit.

Hello, hello, how are you? I am great. I am tired, but i'm great.

How are you? I'm also tired and great. I love .

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all of the tour.

the book tour we just finished last night.

And he was so much fun, so cool.

I was one of the cool things I feel like we ve gotten to do. Yeah, you guys read as hell. thanks. We're inviting me, bitch.

Thanks for coming. No problem. That was so much fun. I love. And IT was awesome. But I think my body, just like crashed at the end of its just like, okay, hopefully all the thing .

is that the thing you have to know about me in alana, which most of be parlier ity know we don't lucky go on you ever and we do yeah socialized with really anyone other than each other and like some family yeah a couple of friends.

very you right? No, sorry. I literally Young ly talk out. Yeah, my social battery, my social battery has always been pretty. No, pretty little, doesn't hold a lot, and food IT gets empty.

Roque K, I used to be so much larger and charger.

no, I was. And it's only got one smaller as i've got to know they're same. I have to pick very carefully what I have.

I socialize to try. This was a great, a great way to do. That is a great choice. I'm exhausted .

as of this recording. This mother fucking sitting across for me is a number one new york times best selling.

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It's I still is is am like honestly speak is about IT still but thanks so much for supporting me everybody .

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to hug but I was very more forceful.

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the next one is also on the list. I see you. I see IT manifest. We all manifested on tour help.

Yeah, we did.

And you guys manifested, i'm sure of IT. You did IT, and you're just talented.

This is because you guys did IT though. And yeah, you supported me. You bought the book, you preordered the book.

You seem to be enjoying the book, which makes me pretty happy. And I just needed to tell you, you are appreciated. Your kind words have been unbelievably appreciated.

I can't tell you how much IT is meant this whole time. Seeing in person has been amazing and appreciated, and you are the real ones. So I just wanted to tell you that .

she's on the new york time.

So I just wanted to thank you because you guys made IT awesome yeah. And you are the reason for the season. You know you are I think it's all the happy stuff. Yeah it's all the happy stuff. And you know like um and what we're going to do is we're going to this is like um this is a two partner, but it's like a different kind of two .

partner where if you know it's still part of well, not sort of is still very much.

This is straight up me yeah this is straight up true crime, but it's connected to a spooky thing because we wanted to give you like a little bit of both this season. Ah you ve got to get both because that you here for body happy IT does and I get IT. So this is one of the bigger ones that we've never covered before.

I know it's actually kind of crazy that we haven't, which is shocking. So what we're going to do here is we're going to talk about the to fao family murder. Those are largely connected to what came in after, which is the m four hooks. That is a big hoax, but it's such a big that's almost true crime and and of itself because it's such A A massively orchestrated hoax .

a kind of was right yeah like are big because isn't there like court transcripts about IT where .

they I am like this I mean, that's one of the biggest hoxie ever like a huge yeah so what we're going to do is in this episode I am purely going to tell you the true crime tale of the defile murder. It's really sad. It's really brutal.

Trigger warning, red off the battery. It's like pretty grew. So it's like gun stuff.

It's it's rough unfortunately. Like the victim, the victims are children. Victims are children, so it's just really sad. But and then in part two of the there is almost it'll be a totally different episode, but it's going to be talking about the enviable or hoax and some of the real stuff that could be associated with IT. We're going to see at a very warm again in part two.

They they always they come to stay for spook.

They do they just like they really involved themselves. So um so yeah today we're going to be talking about the to fail family murder case. So bucked up everybody. I'm ready.

So when twenty three year old Ronald fail junior borrowed his friend Bobby Kelsey's car on the night of november thirteen and one thousand seventy forces was a while ago, IT was with the understanding that he was just gonna going down the street just a few blocks to his house, and he was gonna right back. So since he had gotten out of work that afternoon, ronal had been trying to reach anyone at his house. He said he just couldn't get anyone on the phone, and he was starting to make him nervous.

He couldn't get a hold of his parents, any of his brothers or sisters. And he was like, that's not Normal. I've been trying to get them. I can. So he had told Bobby, i'm gonna a have to go home and break a window again in, because he was really worried about that point.

He was late, so he took off in the direction of his house and he was saying, i'm just going to go there, check on things that, and i'll come right back with your car a bit later. Ron came skidding into the parking lot of hours bar where he had left, and he had barely made IT through the door of the bar when he said, bob, you've gotta help me. You've got to help me.

Someone shot my mother and father. I can't imagine hearing that. no.

So everyone in Henry's bar was just like, what the fuck like. None of them knew how to respond. In henri's regular john alti said he was historical.

He was shouting, everybody come on. Somebody shot my father and mother. Like historical, all upset. You've got to come now. okay. So of course, as he's saying that, like you've got to help me, a handful guys jumped up, went out to their cars, and they, we'll follow you there.

So at the time, no one knew what to expect because they were like, are we really gonna be like, walk in the dead bodies, like what's going to happen here? But when they got to their destination, the scene at one twelve ocean avenue was early, quiet. Oh, I immediately hate that. And he gets worse because it's early, quiet. And then there's just an alarm clock going off from somewhere on the second floor of.

oh, my entire body just warmed.

I the sound, the feeling of that, the sound of that was just like.

oh, no, I have come home from vacation before and heard my alarm clock off because I ve forgotten to put IT off, to put IT off and it's when you here, you just hear a faint alarm and you're like, what thurow .

there's something about that I don't know yeah .

I don't know I something about something being like so still and quiet and then not very Normal yeah it's disrupting a very routine like White and and it's the why has that somebody shot at all? Yes.

that's the thing and you just going like that and and that's the thing. They know that there is brothers and sisters in this house. There's for other siblings in the house. So hearing somebody shot my mother and father and then rolling up in hearing an alarm, blink from the second floor, no shot.

God, what about to walk into? So once he had the car in park, bobbi kill ski in, john alti didn't hesitate for a second before rushing straight into the house was like, wow. The other people who shoot up up, or a little more cautious, they didn't run right in.

Also good for them. yeah. Rome, on the other hand, waited outside with them.

And IT was interesting. Yeah, very interest.

I wouldn't be .

outside if I thought my entire of family .

was that inside? No, definitely not. IT was all Terry who found the bodies in the main bedroom um the father and mother then they found the two Young boys across the hall and alteration was later quoted as saying the little one was in pyjamas and had blood all over him I couldn't see where the bullet .

hole was just I think of like a little boy in his pajama yeah but covered .

in blood is so horrific yeah well, altering closky searched the house. Another bar patron, joe ez. Wt, called the police from the phone in the devise kitchen. He told the suffer county police dispatcher, we have a shooting here. There's a guy here. He says there's been a shooting in everyone's dead which that's interesting to me that freezing because run some people are saying, like he's coming and boris says, my mom and then are shot yeah he still saying that when they get to the house they're thinking it's just the mom and down and then they find like then they find the other two boys, john and mark. But then this patch and joye was yez wait calls the police from the kitchen and says that run came into the bar saying that everybody was shot.

everybody y's dead so in the commission got fucked up yes.

So we are a little thing and that happens a little bit. But officer Kenneth gregg, I was in his police car just a few blocks away from the house when the um so he was the first one to hear IT over the radio and he went right to the davia house when he pulled in run dahal was crying and he told her goguet I that his father and mother were dead again and before taking any statement for my anyone, gregoire had to fail and Bobby celski take him into the house because he was like like we had to figure what's going on here and he had then wait in the kitchen and he's off and searched the entire house to make sure that the killer was not still inside the house.

Now upstairs greg sko take hated the main bedroom, which was a very laboriously decorated you bedroom IT had look ornate furniture there was a lot of religious statues they were to vocational lic family um the photos of Lewis and ronal seniors, five children in there this was a very nice home. They really like pretty well as a nice area. Yeah yeah.

Gregoire, though, was not. He could only look at that for so long because he immediately saw two bodies lying face down on the bed. Lewis on the left in Randall senior on the right.

Lowe's was covered with the gold band spread, but her greasy could see a large hole in her nights in the blood had soaked all over the mattress between them. I mean, he was a brutal scene. Ronal senior was uncovered by that.

I did not have the the blanket over him and was dressed only in boxer shorts. And his right leg was kind of like hanging a little bit off the bed. There was a bullet hole in the small of his back, and a trailer of blood was leading down onto his boxers.

And they were both face down, face down. Everyone was face down. Now, officer greg asi made his way from the parents room to the room across the hall, and he said he could immediately tell this was like a Young boys bedroom.

From the way he was decorated, he could see toys and games, the floor, and greg, I immediately saw the two boys, seven year old john and twelve year old mark, lying face down in their beds, just like their parents. And he said the blanket covering the boy on the left had been pulled down to his angles. Anger, dusky could tell his pyjamas were soaked through with blood and he could see a very wragge bullet hole in his lower back. Ah the boy on the right was also uncovered his White t shirt was pulled up around his chest and IT revealed a bullet hole in his lower back. Um so it's interesting how .

this is all right out the back to everybody like yeah now.

after discovering those four bodies gradually, I returned to the first floor and called the station to report what he just seen. And he requested additional assistance, more officer, as he wanted the coroner there and as he talked, the officer could see run to fail out of the corner of resize, he said. And he said Brown was crying.

He was crying softly, but he said he could tell that he was also listening to what I was saying. He he goes one of those things like, and then like the look over to see happening. And when greg's ki hung up the phone to fao, said immediately that he had sisters that were also in house uhh, one on the bedroom, on the second floor, on the second floor in what his oldest sister don was in the added bedroom.

And immediately it's like, I enough, this is just me. But like you find your parents, you have four other siblings, correct? For yeah, you don't immediately searched for your little siblings when you find your parents dead.

Thank you. I found my parents dead. My first thought would be, my little sisters and brothers are in danger, right? I need to gather them all up and get them and then call the police exactly.

But instead you left the house, left four children in the house with somebody who shot your parents. Yeah, that doesn't make sense. And also, you've just heard this officer now say that your two brothers are dead. One, you would be losing your mind.

And two, what my first thought won't be what I have two sisters, once on the second four or months in the attic, I be like, are my sisters okay? Where are they? You like? What's going on like you'd be like we I like they all right, tell me you didn't say anything about them.

The way he says that is almost like you haven't .

found these other two things, these other two people. So gregoire heard heard that, heard these two sisters race back upstairs to Allisons were among the second floor. And like the boy's bedroom, there were two beds in the room, but one was made up.

Obviously IT had not in swept in. And then in the other bed greg sky could see that. And he was joined by another petrol l officer.

At this point. They found the body of thirteen year old to alson lying face down, and there was a pink bed spread covering her up to her shoulders. He then shot in the side of a face, oh, the large pool of d had collected on the floor next to her bed.

It's awful. He is. That was a very rough one, brutal. The two officers found the stairs that wanted down to fails atic bedroom, and they went up slowly. You wondering if the killer could possibly be up there.

But instead upstairs they found eighteen year old dawn, like the rest of her family issues, face down in bed, covered by the blanket and shot in the chest um so that tells you something different. She's face down, but he was shot in the chest by the look of things. Nothing had been disturbed in any other rooms, and there was no apparent sign of struggle.

Okay, if they had to guess, both officers said they looked like someone had entered the to fail home in middle of night and killed all six days. People in their sleep in the matter, like seconds, you like others, was into this a day, even though we will get into everything like, you know, around devo did this for sure. But there is a question of how the fuck did he do that .

without anybody running out .

of the house of getting a one? No, no one woke up. Like what why they all in bed? Like they're all where they were shot, right? So like how did this happen? It's that's why there is like theories and i'm not saying they're like credible and saying that's why people do question like what someone else involved here, another person like what happened here. I only know that .

he that want to fail did IT and that like, I don't know all the major details. I know all the major details. I don't know all the little details.

Well, the two officers returned to the first floor, and gregoire called the station again to report, actually we have six bodies in the house um and they said there's no sign of a shooter can't find anyone, just the the fails only living family member ronal to fail junior.

Now over the next few hours, you know, homicide detectives showed up local and county various crime scene technicians, you know, the coroner, tons of people are at the the fail house. And in the back of the house they discovered the family sheepdog shaggy. But he was okay.

Shag shaggy. He's very cute. He was tied to the handle of the back door. Okay, shaggy did not sleep outside, but not how shaggy swag slept in the house.

tied to the handle of the back.

deliberately tied outside kay for what had had. And he was very stressed though, yeah, of course, like barking, like crazy going. That's all the activity in the house like he was losing his mind.

And sheep dogs in particular to like something happening to their family. It's their job around everybody, protect yeah.

Like I need to go get everybody. And IT is it's amazing what dogs says for their family. Like it's wild.

Like we have like this little side notes, true, like bench in particular. Our dog bench is obsessed with john. Like literally would crawl into his skin.

I always say you wants to live inside of his judge. He wants to live inside of him. Why he loves him so much.

If you talk to john, SHE starts barker, yeah.

he doesn't want to talk him. But if john, like, pretends to tickle me or the girls, and like, does IT like people to you, like like a like, i'm coming blanch will sell through the air and like go after him, i'd like all loyalty ends there in the loyalty to, like, you are hurting the rest of my family or what I see that I think you are hurting SHE goes, not like he is and then like the same, but then the same goes back. If you pretend to hurt john SHE going to get like she's loyal to his family SHE said like rider die SHE says a .

honea means fucked and feel but .

he is like we even family you don't fuck with family said lose IT like there so it's like it's wild how dogs just they tell you a lot .

well because you're a there are pack yeah like it's it's just .

a need it's so crazy like a bucking love to agree just so god cl.

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But so, so, yeah, this is weird. This poor dog, shaggy, is tied up outside to the handle, the back door. So officers searched every inch of the house in the property, looking for any evidence in.

By all accounts, there was very little, if anything, to be found. IT was like nothing they'd been shot in. This person just disappeared.

And there was also no signs of a robbery or a home invasion was missing or even out of place. So with the mode of me, there was no sign of a struggle to investigators. The lack of evidence was very confusing and very strange.

And the failed lived in one of the most expensive houses in the empty view, and would have been prime targets for robbery. But whoever killed the six members of this family appear to have have done so just for something other than money. There was no hour of una parent, right? You know, like, and IT is also weird to me.

I wonder if people in evy vill are annoyed. Ed, by this. I associate Emily view with the world, like IT with the mid vill horr.

yes. So when you hear IT in reference of just like the residence of emi villam like h that's like a real place. No was shit.

I was just thinking that as you are saying that I was I was like, m view is a town .

just a regular town. Like it's not like .

a spooky town. It's supposed to just feel .

like beautiful town .

IT probably and it's .

like and like this like, you know so it's like I always thinks an enemy amy villa sanonda ous would like whose it's like I feel ahead yeah i'm sorry you are real place isn't .

it's just like a coastal .

town yeah I think it's just like a nice town and this this particularly we'll get into IT. But they had to they to do a lot to keep people from coming back to this house a lot. You are a little knowing.

i'm sorry. Is the house still exist today?

I think that does. I think so. Yes, it's been renovated. What's different? It's IT is a beautiful home. There was they had a sign out front that said high hopes that was always pointed out like this. This really tragic story and like this is little sign that as high hopes outside and just like the .

to fail family yeah I was .

always this just really chilling thing .

is that in reference to .

something I think it's just like, you know prosperity you know all about like how you know good luck.

I i've never seen anything now.

While canvassing the neighborhood, officers took statements from several neighbors that kind of help to narrow down the time line of what what would happen here. According to one neighbor who didn't want to be identified in the press, SHE said he had gone to bet around ten P. M.

The night before. I noticed that all the lights were on in the house at the face, and he described this as very unusual and something I ve never noticed before at at ten P. M, yeah.

He said usually at that late hours in the evening, he said, were lights on, but the house was only like partially in another neighbour, fifteen year year old john nemeth told the officers he'd been walking up by barking of one of the the fails dogs at a around three A M. okay. And he claimed that this was, and he said he was very unusual at that time and night.

The door did not bark in the end of the night. And he said that the bargain actually went on for about twenty minutes, stopped. So that subsection.

that's really sad.

And given that he was the only living member of the the fail family and the only obvious person who stood gain from the deaths of his parents, investigators quickly turned two runs to say, what was going on? What are you doing? And in their interview with bobbi kelsi Ronalds friend Bobby cosy, they learned that Ronald was what Kelsey described as a gun buff. He won several gun.

I know I only thing .

because because what is in Ronalds bedroom, investigators found a twenty two caliber semi automatic rifle, a twelve gage shot on twenty two caliber bank revolver, a ton of ammunition, but according to cosi staging to police, Ronald thirty five calibre marlin rifle look to be missing him. Remember that rifle? Kay, now a little past A P M.

That I county detective gasper rendez a excuse me, and jd goza lov SAT down. They all have very interesting last names. They do jgc SAT down with Ronald for what would be the first of many interviews with I. Ron told detectives, i'll do whatever I have to do or help you in any way I can OK.

And what's funny is, like, I I proud you to go like watching interview with him yeah because you can see how he comes off as like he's got this new york acx and and he's like, you know like one of those guys you know i'm just starting starting about stuff you would come off as very like I just help. I just here to help i'm a watery and a good guy just good guy over here you know like it's i'm obsessed what you're doing here he comes off that way yeah and you can see how if he continued that act and somehow got through IT, he could probably get away with that. That's so scary. Now, when they asked who he thought could be responsible for the murder, they were expecting him to say, I have no fucking clue who would kill my entire family. I don't know.

I could not think of anybody that would murder my entire family. Well.

ron could think of someone .

I just need to decide. Note here, he was twenty three when this all happens, and I need you article, look at his book shop because you could tell me this span is like forty five and I like.

doesn't he was lived a rough wife.

Oddy, yeah. Okay, so I totally had interactive.

Ms, yeah. Well, ron knew of somebody who he thought would kill his.

Tell me everything. He thought .

of a guy named tony mazo. He said he was the best suspect of this, according to an a faction of the new york mafia, had a good against his family because of his family's involvement in mob related activity.

He just immediately gave that up.

He was just like about a book. He believed mazo, a supposed mosby, a hit man, had likely killed his family in order to send a message. No, this sounds like what like you know like, excuse me, what you're bringing the mob into here, but they weren't totally out of the realm of possibility.

When I was brought up, IT seemed unlikely. But wasn't one of those like, know anybody else who says that that like, the mob did IT like really, because according to the suffix police departments, organized crime control buro rono to fail seniors. Uncle Peter davie was a captain in the veto geneve crime family that's kind .

of a big fucking deal.

And had been known to police as a member of the genevese organization as early as nineteen thirty four. Holy shit. Now that's interest. I find that is so very.

But at the time of the murder, Peter to fail was seventy four years old, right? And he hadn't been involved in criminal activity for nearly A A, A angle. June, I don't know, I am not into this. So any in between him and the murder was seeing pretty unlikely because like why I don't .

think a seventy four year old men could kill six. I mean, call me crazy, things happen. But why seventy four year old men killing six members of a family and and .

even if you say like OK, maybe wasn't him maybe he did something that caused them to go after the yeah that still doesn't drive really because this is an italian family. We're talking about the italian mafia alia mob. There is a code of contact.

And one of the very specific things in that code of conduct for the italian mob is you do not kill those kids. So this doesn't fit like it's just not something that would happen because like you know, that is a thing that's a real thing. So in a statement to police, ron explained that the day before the murder, he stayed home from work because he wasn't feeling well after sleeping for most of the day.

He woke up early the next morning around four am, and he said when he woke up, he saw his brother, mark's wheelchair, in front of the bathroom door. I know like, i'm like this poor kid didn't have a chance to even get out a bit. So d and the light was on in the bathroom, so assumed his brother was in the bathroom.

Instead of waiting, he said he used another bathroom, then decided to go into work early because he was up. And why not? okay. After work, he went to hand ry bar and had a few drinks with his friends like he Normally did. And while he was there, he called the house several times but didn't get matter because .

you always call your house multiple times. When you're out drinking with your friends.

of course you do. After a while, he said, he became concerned and barred calls key's car to go by the house and check on everyone, which is when he discovered his parents bodies in their .

bedroom and didn't bother. And if anybody else, okay.

did you to check on his fucking siblings? He said he had to force the kitchen window lock and since he case said all the doors were locked and he didn't navigate to the house now back at Harry, he gathered all his friends. He returned to the house, but he never want inside again. Now to the detectives, the file's narrative was little confusing because also.

um how did the person get out of the house that did the tire? Entire family of all the doors are locked and there's no signal restaurant yeah just wondering.

They thought he was a pretty meandering narrative that he was giving in both and detectives found a difficult to follow at points they were like, wait, what like kind of like us were like, what you did? what? yeah.

And while ron talked, detective goza watched his body language, and he said he definitely had some interesting body language, and he said, but he also noticed some Marks on his arms. And when he asked about the Marks to fail, confessed he was a regular heroes in user, okay, and had shot up at a friends house earlier that afternoon. But ron was very clear that he didn't want the detectives to get the wrong idea about him.

He wasn't an adult, he said. He explained he was a chippy shooter and only used drugs casually. I don't think you can use heroes in casually then just me.

Uh, but I was an interesting note. They just were like, okay, yes, an interesting because when you add that into IT, you've ttl look at a different avenues here. So eventually the conversation got back around to the family supposed mob connections, and the man ron believed was responsible for the murders, tony marcia. According to the fao, he had been doing some work for his grandfather's car dealership a few weeks earlier and was on his way to the bank to deposit several thousand dollars when he was held up by two gen.

All the sudden coming out okay?

And when he told his father about the robbery, ronal senior didn't believe him and got angry with him. This is what he's telling everybody. Apparently, according to him, his father said, not a legal.

I have to worry about you as far as this phony robbery, but i've also got ta lose some good friend because ronal is explained that tony, my own's father, had been friends, but the robbery had caused a rift between the men because his father believed marcio was the guy responsible, even though he didn't believe that happened. Thank you. They sended their friendship and made the fail was a target for a hit man and according to round, defame junior.

what do you like?

Think about this at all. No.

anyone Pearly, i'm glad you.

But now at the time, the detective found run to be very CoOperative, and the confusing parts of his story could be chalked up. They said to, now that they know he's using heroin, they were like, you know, he could be under the influence also because he's admitted that he shot up like this afternoon essentially yeah and also he's under a lot of stress. He just lost his whole family. So if it's a little confusing or a little strange.

we will need to look .

at IT with the benefit of the doubt kind of situation. The statement, and that's the thing the statement could have ended there. He gave a statement.

He told a little bit of a wild tale, but he could have just stand IT there. Brown just could not help IT. He just wanted to have more details.

What we will learn is when someone's just wanting to add detail after detail, they're probably fucking lying yeah because just just the way IT is. So he explained that, well, he did on three rifles. His father had actually taken them away from him a few weeks earlier, and he'd actually sold one of them. But he couldn't recall the calibre of the gun or the manufacturer. Would that that be so convenient though he just happened to sell the one one gun.

And also, first of all, why the fuck would ever do that? Second of all, why did they find the guns that we're taken away from you in your bedroom?

Yeah, that just make any way. He also told them about a cash box that his father keep hidden in their bedroom. Tony maio, he said, had held them, carve the hiding place in the floor with the box was kept.

So if they checked in, the box was missing or empty to your kilo. Kilo is tony over here. He was he knew where that cash box was. Tony mazo, okay.

So just twenty million exist.

Yeah so sorry they were like so you just can you kind of just know what happened then? Like you see me, you're just tell them us like this and you know what, I bet you will find .

an empty cash box and I would .

start now. Eventually the fails eagerness to CoOperate crossed over from, very useful, if you know, exhaustive, but IT. Then I got unnecessarily detailed and started to border on suspicious ous.

Yeah like we're it's like we some weird here. He rambled on about his recent criminal past and how what landed him on parole on paro. He said, I don't want you to think i'm hiding anything from you.

That's why he said he was telling all the details OK and the interview process went on until nearly two thirty A M. And when the detectives ask where the fair I wanted to sleep that night, he said he couldn't stay with family because he was worried the hit man might find them. So they allowed him to sleep on a caught in the homicide division.

They were like, well, will protect you. Like, he spent the night there. Yeah, he spent the night because they were like, they didn't know where else to bring him because he was like, I can't go when you rather hit men, we will find me.

Can you protect me? And they were like, okay, so they just set up a cut form in like one of the holding cells that were like, you can stay here. That's insane.

So for run, this was preferable because that would allow him, you know, to stay up to date on the investigation as because he could hear everything you. While detectives looked into fails claim about familiar mobilize, the medical examiner had begun the autopsy. S on the sixth, unfortunate victims running in the idaho were each shot twice, running in the lower back, which had pierce his kidney and shadow part of his fine of god.

Louis was shot in the side in the chest, which broke ribs and punctured one of her lungs. wow. According to the medical examiner, doctor Howard adam, both could have remained alive anywhere from a matter of seconds to a few minutes.

Wow, I just fled in gently .

and based on her body position when he was found in the trajectory of the bullets, atman did their eyes that Lewis had been shot, had been shot second, and had partially risen out of bed when her husband was shot. Oh god, that's horrific. yeah.

IT breaks my fuck and heart like I can't imagine. John and mark a. Fao, were each shot one time in the back at close range.

Adam and there is that the killer had stood between the boy's beds and fired in quick succession, shooting each and roughly the same part of the back. The bullets destroyed several organs before exciting out the abb demand and becoming lodged in the box springs of the bed. The bullets, ah, oh my god.

Adam man was almost certain neither boy had woken up before being killed. Oh, which I guess is a good thing, because they didn't wake up to know what was happening. They just were shot in their sleep and never became conscious. No.

he didn't think that they could have woken up when the parents were killed.

Didn't hear the show. That's what doesn't is that I .

don't know a lot about guns is IT possible. He used a silencer?

I don't think so. It's I don't think they had any evidence that reference to sound okay because I like.

did anybody like in the neighborhood report hearing gun shots? Because an assault rifle is love the .

thing by everything I could find, the gun was not fitted for a silencer. There was no silence or involved. They never found a silcon.

You're gone. Like specifically, you have to get IT fitted for one. They did not. This is what makes snow fucking sense.

And this is the parts of this that make people go, what the fuck happened in that house? Because, like you feel like we were talking about, neighbors heard the dog barking, but they don't hear shots. And why is everyone on their stomach, everyone not sleeping on their stomach?

Did he turn them around so so as not to see their .

face and were shot in the back. And a lot of them were shot well in bed, and the shot went through to the box spring. I mean, like this was like, they is like they were ordered to do that or something.

The only thing that you can think of though is like like in the middle the night, like I like member, like when you'd fall into the car and like your parents would Carry you up to your bed. Maybe he turned them over and they just didn't wake up.

but like he had already shot the parents .

on the same thing that the .

fact across the hall, like john mark in a room across the hall from their parents who just got shot four times total yeah with with a rifle and that's an .

end like I was just saying, rifles are .

fucking loud. So IT doesn't make sense that john and mark wouldn't hear IT. IT doesn't make sense that the neighbor lison wouldn't hear that she's on .

the same floor. She's on the second floor as well.

even is on the same floor. How that is weird. How IT doesn't make sense.

No one is really been able to figure that out. It's one of these like enduring mysteries. But luckily neither boy john or Marks seem to have woken up.

They seem to have, again, very strange that they were both on their stomachs. Yeah, it's just not not everybody is. I can't. So alison, on the other hand, had likely seen her killer as SHE rose from .

her bed like like SHE heard something.

but like again, it's very strange because her wound indicated that he had turned around just in time to see her killer fire. The bullet entered her cheek, and IT lacerated her brain before, exciting through her skull and lodging in the wall behind the bed. Oh my god, Allison saw her killer. yeah. Like.

that's her if. And he must have died like, very quickly. yeah. I went through her.

her brain just like then again, he was found in the bed. But like he doesn't say anything. Nobody says anything about like Carrying them back to Better anything like that. So like what is this?

Do they know like around what time everybody was shot?

They don't have like .

a not exact time.

Yeah, it's not weird that they would be in bed because I was nigh time. IT was bad time. Yeah, I was. They be in there such a bomb IT IT. Was that time everyone was in their jama as I wonder if he ordered them to face down but he obviously never brings that up in his stories. But it's even wear but .

what but the medical exam? I thought the boys are sleeping.

The boys that seems we're sleeping and but I don't I don't know. It's like, this is what's so weird IT doesn't make sense. None of that makes sense. Every time you think you can figure that out.

You're like that though. And even if you had ordered them to stay down, I feel that I mean, don is eighteen. He obviously got god of the parents first. But like I feel like don could have like potentially overtaken him somehow and IT IT doesn't on the evidence .

he tried yeah in a river which is turfing so but there's other guns in the house if he's holding a river at you and saying turn around I guess but you know i'm not going to argue with the right me no, I can understand that for like the first couple but like then the rest of them are hearing the shots. Aren't they running hearing the shots? Yeah will wait until he gets to their bedroom and then well, okay.

so me so he get sort of the parents immediately like that makes sense. Like they're gonna do anything. The two boys were sleeping. Sometimes kids don't rocking wake up. But it's crazy to think that like with a assault rifle shot.

they wouldn't wake up.

But maybe he walked in their room and ordered them to turn around and just, boom, boom. And then Allison wakes up because she's here. She's heard all of that and that's why she's up.

And he shoots her essentially in the face. And then, who knows, maybe dawn did try to get past him. And he ordered her back up the stairs with the assault, right? Like.

why did any of the neighbors see a gunshot? I heard a dog barking that I can explain like IT just i'm so confused or I don't.

I mean, I know if this is like a nice area. Yeah maybe people hurt things and just didn't want to say that did.

But why? Like people were found dead by gunshots. So like it's not like you'd be like weird to be like go I heard but maybe there's volt that they were offering information.

They were saying I heard the dog barking. They were saying, like, let me tell you about this family. They were saying I saw lights on IT is but her IT just doesn't make sense. IT really doesn't. It's so strange.

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But dons wounds were the most horrific, I would say. Yeah, the killer had stood about two feet away from her, according to the medical examiner, how SHE slept, shooting her in the back of the nick just below her left year ow. in.

According to the autopsy report, the left side of her face had collapsed in brain particles mixed with the blood saturating on her pillow. Wow, SHE had a very disturbing injury. yeah.

And nobody else really did. Aside, I guess, from all yeah. And he was shot right them back of the neck and it's again face down. And from what the medical examiner was thinking was sleeping.

why? How can you know if somebody, Sally.

probably just because of the trajectory and what they're looking at, they're saying like there was no movement like they didn't try to move away from the bullet like which your in natural and to move away from something that's gona hurt you. So you're not moving away from IT, they assume you have to be in an unconscious state.

but then if you're in bed and you know he's coming, there's not really any way out of that. So maybe he just covered in bed.

but you didn't even do that what his head was on her pillow and he shot right in the back of the neck. If he had covered IT would have like potentially like skin another side or like moved that's what they did like seeing where the bullet goes in and how there's no like movement to get away from IT. I'll tell you that that person wasn't conscious and no, because her head was right on her pillow yeah and if she's .

trying like he was sleeping on her side.

I know SHE SHE was face down as well because he was shot right in the back of the neck. But I think what happened was that like went out her just the accident the way IT had hit like collapse to the side of her yeah kind of think I don't know, i'm trying and yeah, I think people have been trying for decades. I think it's just like IT doesn't make sense. That's why this is such a like strange case yeah not only is the crime horrific and when you look at IT, there's really no fucking in real motive for this.

There's also just these weird parts of like and like that families a little mysterious when you really digging to IT and it's like then you have those like you know that there's not mob ties but it's like, you know like somewhere in that family there's like mob ties and the more this has nothing to do with the mob but it's like that it's just like a weird layer on top of IT. It's all very strange. But all six members of the davao family had died from, quote, massive emerging due to follow ones yeah now when the news of the murder hit the press the next morning, everyone in amityville were stunned.

They were stunned that such a brutal crime was happening in that small town. Its a very ideal ic town. Like we said, everyone described that a failure says a nice, Normal family who were always willing to lend a hand when someone else was in need.

One of the neighbor, like Ronald fail senior, drove for her to work every day. When our car died, one neighbor told the reporter of Ronald in laws they could not do enough for their children. The whole world was oriented around their children.

wow. They were very involved in their community as well, according to most, like all the good things, while the neighbors said nothing but kind words to save about the victims, most people were decidedly less enthusiastic about ronal defiled. Junior, yeah.

According to one neighbor, Ronald was part of a crowd that would drink and then get into fights. But the next day they apologize. okay. He recalled an instance in recent months where running had gotten into an argument while at a bar with some friends, and he had broken a pool cue in half because he was angry bikes. Our neighbors referred to him as creepy.

Always working around IT was therefore zed, that because IT was a big italian family, the first borne sun is usually like the air, you know, and just was to Carry looked to as an important part of a family line yeah, cause, but according to those that knew him around to fail, junior was like, not the ideal there. He was a mess, like just a mess, because always in trouble, always getting the thing. Yeah, he would go up parting that he would bring those parties back to the fair house late at night, always causing issues.

There was a lot of theories about, you know, that his relationship with his father, which seemed to not be a good relationship with disappointing. yes. And I think they also had like a very volatile relationship where I got this go a lot between the two of them.

They get to like a first fight, like a that should never happen now. It's awful. Now for their part, a spokesperson for local laender cement told reporters the murders were a real neat job, indicating that there was very little evidence left at the scene in very few leads to work with.

They were like this, literally nothing, very clean. There was no signs of struggle, robbery, leading investigators to believe that the motive had just been murder. Yeah, like a murder they rather going after.

One of the people in the rest were collateral or IT was all of bum who was just so while the fail slept IT in the homicide unit that night, investigators got word from the medical examiner that all the damage had been killed with a thirty five calibre marlin rifle. Imagine exactly the model and liber Bobby celski had mentioned when police interviewed him at the scene. And the only gun that run on the fail could not account for and you really you only lost that yeah one, only that one.

A little bit later, they got word from one of the technicians that upon a second search of the house, they discovered a box for a thirty five calib mart lin rifle, like a box of a like to hold the gun. Yeah, hidden in around the fails closet. I got ta go.

The gun they couldn't find. At the very least, the box indicated that the fail had ow the same model gun used in the matters. Until that point, investigators had given run the benefit of the doubt.

You know, losing your whole family in one night, you know, he might be under the influence. There's a lot going on. Yeah, many factors here. But now they were starting to wonder if they just had their suspect in custody already willingly, literally around nine. The next morning, november fifteenth, detective goza off and several other homicide detectives returned to the office and woke up Brown, who immediately asked whether the'd found tony marcio yet. Okay, gozo told him, ah, but we got people out looking for tony meco but he said, to tell you the truth, I think you are the guy .

we want just like like woke up and the fail was like what you .

talk IT like alist insisted tony mazo was the guy they wanted but the detectives read him his rights and took him in the custody for the murder of his parents, brothers and sister yeah when he was asked whether he wanted to speak to to his lawyer, ron said he waved his right to council and he said he was willing to CoOperate. Ron began the second interview by insisting that his family had been killed by the new york mob, but by then gozo off and the other investigators had assembled in, presented the evidence that strongly later that ran was involved run.

At one point.

he claimed that he was just smoking part in the basement when IT happened, and he didn't hear anything. Well, that doesn't make sense. And then later he claimed he heard the gun shots like he he came up with so many different things, but before that gozo off said, let's go back to the day before and let's start over yet.

And then he said, let's start with supper. Okay, now, being confronted by all the evidence in the fact that they were like we pretty much know you are involved, seemed to to flip the switch and run. But before he then he was crying, he was upset. He was, I will do nothing but CoOperate here, whatever I can do.

But now it's like he took off a mask and his true feelings came out because he so gaza, i've said, let's start with supper and he said, my mother was a lousy cook and they were like, oh, and they were any SHE said he cooked up some Brown stuff in a ball IT looks like shit and IT smell like shit. nice. And they're like, fun.

Nice to speak of your recently deceased and murdered mother that .

way yeah and these online comments about his mother seemed wildly ly inappropriate to, the investigator said. And they were like, wow, okay, but ron was just getting started. He wasn't done, oh no. When they asked him about john and mark, his little brothers, he said, my brothers is a couple of fucking pigs. And he said, I often use the bathroom that they used on the second floor, and I go in there and sometimes this toilet paper hanging out of the ball.

I mean, yeah, they were like seven and twelve.

twelve that checks yeah kids, kids a lot. And it's like try following up a after after a kid. Yes, exit.

And also there are your little brothers who were shot in their bed and you're just talking about them, just calling them sucking pigs. And like, why just murdered and his feelings about his sisters were not any Better, uh, about done. And this is like, terrible, just so everybody knows.

He said, he said that fat fuck down. Oh my god. And then he talked about the kind of music that he listened to over and over, and he used racial slur over and over, that the one you're thinking over and over.

He said. He listened to that music all day and all night. And I can even tell you to turn IT down, because if I tell you to turn IT down, I get my fucking ask kicked.

okay? So now he's referring again to the allegations that runner to fail senior was abusive to his family OK. Now he claimed that now, after this, he claimed that dawn shot all the family members, including the kids, and then he shot her in a rage about IT OK.

And then he also claimed he shot down in self defense because he was going to shoot him with a rival. Okay, yeah. After renting about his mother in the rest of the family in claiming that dated IT, no, he didn't.

Actually, he did. Maybe not. I don't know. I shot her. But then whatever run launched into a big, long rant about his father, who he referred to as a cheap bastard.

And he talked about his grandfather kind of equally the same way, one kind yeah and the other members of the family when he was finally done, giving his brutally honest roast opinion of his family. The fair still hadn't confess to the murders at this point, but I was pretty clear. But to gaza off and the others that seemed like he was pretty ready to do that without saying a word.

The detectives got up from the table and left the room and were replaced by Dennis h. Raf eri, who is a homicide detective with the Emily val police. A spent the next six and a half hours with wrong.

And during this he completely confessed to the murders of the family. OK IT was clear that ran hated his family. Like he was very clear, yes, I think all broken up before.

But suddenly when that evidence was presented, IT was like, my scope. They all suck us. Let me tell you about album. He especially hated his father. yeah.

He fought with his father constantly, but IT seemed like his motive was not bad in completely, at least his motive was money OK. According to the fao, his parents had a life insurance policy worth two hundred thousand dollars. Okay, in twenty twenty four money.

That's over a million dollars, over one point two million dollars. And as the only surviving member of the family, ron would have been the beneficiary of that policy. On the night of the murder runs, woke up on the couch a little before three A.

M. He went up to his bedroom, loaded his rifle and went room by room, shooting and killing his whole family. Three A, M. He told the rapidly I just started and IT went so fast I can stop.

He just woke up and just in that moment.

decided to kill them. okay. When he killed at everyone in the house, ron collected the shell casings and his body clothing into a pillow case.

He took a shower, he trimmed his beard, and then he left the house. He threw the rifle into a pond down the street. And eventually he ditched the pillow case, another evidence in a storm drain in brooklin on his way to work. Then he just went to work.

What fuck when he was finished? Giving his confession rather, d asked whether to fail with sign a swaigder statement that when he told them was true, but he refused, and he told the detectives he would not, because he feared his grandfather Michael briganti would see IT. okay.

And it's like he's going to hear about IT now using the two diagrams ron had drawn for them, detectives were able to locate the gun and the pillow case full of shells and other evidence which were brought back to the percent, and the fail identified them as his belongings. Meanwhile, the clothing runnels was wearing was taken as evidence, and he was charged in booked with six counts of second degree murder, and he was taken into custody and held in detention until a grand jury was going to be convened in the coming days. Now dyve found in an interesting tidbit here, that first degree murder at the time was reserved for those who killed a police officer or prison guards.

So that nothing to do with them.

as the yeah was just like that was at them at the moment. That was what that in some before we have come across this before I fairly certain other, but I always find IT interest. Yeah, that is interesting.

Now the news of runners arrest shocked Emily will. Almost as much as the murder shocked the amy bill. The face friend glen hoffman told a reporter, I can't believe IT, I can't believe IT. Even even if they say it's true, he could have been set up for IT you you don't know what's involved, okay? For many runs, original claim of mopy involvement seemed more applausive than a sun and a and a brother murdering his entire family for no fucking reason.

I mean.

that is hard to swallow. Even his product officer, William Benjamin, was stunned and said nothing indicated he could have resorted to violence of this kind. That's kind crazy.

Now, the fail was arranged in the first district court on november fifteenth, where his defense attorney, lennard Simons, requested a psychiatry examination. He told the judge, I have doubts about the defendant's ability to help in his own defense. Simons also claimed that the fail had bruises on his body, which implied that he'd been abused by investigators while in custody.

Judge Donald Opera refused the offences request for a psychiatric examination and refused, wow, nearly a year went by before between the arrest in the trial. Um yeah, most of IT was like pretrial hearings. The defense teams repeated and unsuccessful attempts to get runs.

Confession group thrown out. They wanted to get a thrown out on the ground that I was obtained through coordination during this whole period. The prosecution called on a lot of the detectives who were involved in the interview process.

And Dennis rafer, I said I was a tRicky situation. We started out dealing with a guy who was the sole survivor of a family massacre. But the more we question them, the more holds that were in his account. And he kept changing things until finally he started crying, put his head on my shoulder and told me he just started IT went so fast I just couldn't stop do like, what are you you going to do? And raf d.

Explained they began the suspect of fair was lying when he went from telling them that he had heard nothing that night to then changing his stories several times to say he heard multiple gun shots, and that he'd even seen his brother john toast watching at one point when he discovered them because he went back and said, what I did discover the bodies of my siblings and I saw john was alive yeah. Reference, I said that indicated to me that he was there right after the shooting took place, right? And when references pointed that out to fail, change this story again and said a hit man came to do with the mob story again and that the hit man actually made him watch everything at gunpoint. And that's why he saw his brother john to switching.

And you would totally be super .

down to then til the cops everything. yeah. And they said, so raftered had sent to him, they wouldn't walk out without making you a piece of IT.

They must have made you, they must have made you do one of the shootings. Like, that's how hit men worked. Like that's how the mob works. You're not leaving here unless you have blood on your hands. So you will shut your mom.

You won. Go and talk to the police.

IT was at that point that the pale broke down and confess to the murder. Okay, now the pale, on the other hand, claimed that while he was in custody, that actives beat him until he finally told them everything that they wanted to hear about. How, quote, I supposedly killed every member of my family. According to the fails testimony, investigators started abusing him at the house next to the the fail home, which they had set up as a command post at first, and continued abusing him until he, I threw him, him being placed under arrest, kay, so according to him that they think this man just lost his entire family, and they started beating the ship out of them. Yeah, that makes them.

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Now, he claimed they refused let him eat or sleep during interrogation, and they denied him his request for an attack. Y, even though he had waved his .

right and they gave him a cup to sleep bomb.

the failed told judge stark, I fell down. They stumped on my stomach and my back in my leg. They put a telephone book on my head and hit me with black jacks, and then finally put a shopping bag over my head and slam my head into either the wall of the filing cabinet, totally considering that the prosecution case arrested almost entirely on the confession, the claim that he was obtained illegally was taken very seriously seriously.

The prosecution had to prove that I was um the problem for the fail though was that his claims were extraordinary and so they very much needed to be backed up by evidence of this supposed beating but the only injury anyone saw the time of his arrayment was a small, mostly healed cut above his eye and in the rebuttals, the prosecutor jr. Sullivan called on one of the fail school friends who told the judge that he had been at the house about a week before the murder and had seen Ronald and his father get into a first fight, and he said during that first fight he got that minor injury above that was said no, judge stark later wrote. I found that the fails testimony was largely untruthful.

His testimony was that he was given no food or drink, not permitted to sleep for over twenty four hours. IT was seemed totally unreasonable and unbelievable. His failure to complain to the district court judge on november fifteenth about the alleged extreme police brutality the previous day, nor to mention that any documents supporting his pretrial motions was a factor leading me to believe that never occurred because also.

if worked in there after, first of all, I don't think the cops would be the shit out of him a day before he .

has to stand before a judge yeah not .

a good look and a judge would .

notice that and .

do something about IT and .

he I complain with ah would say they should me this is i'm here right this is so he so this was the biggest factor in starks decision. And after considering the evidence of testimony, he ruled that the confession was given voluntarily. IT was going to be admissible in the trial.

Okay, so with the pre trial hearings out of the way round, the fails murder trial began on october six, one thousand and seventy five in the supreme court of new york. In the opening statements, jarred Sullivan laid out the state theory that the fail had murdered his family because of his quote, deteriorate ating relationship with his parents and because of another separate and distinctive reason, a thirst for money. So livan told the jury the prosecution would to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that ron had hadn't committed the murders impulsively but had in fact acted on a methodical plan that began with tying the dog outside because that's a big part of this.

You tie the fucking dog exact. You didn't just walk up there and start shooting. You tied the dog up that shows a plane and and IT ended with him calmly and method ally, picking up exhausted bullets and casings, taking off his bloodstained clothing, trimming his beard and getting rid of all all of that in a .

brickland storm rain. Also, the thought of him just trimming his beard in the housework all of his family did because of him is fucking horrifying. Killing to the ball.

The dog is tied up outside barking. Is us off because you tied him up because you planned IT that's so scary.

In his opening reMarks.

the defence attorney, William webber, who is a real peace work h, told the jury they would prove that the fails confession was beaten out of him and that he was not mentally component when the slings took place, which is like, what where did that come? However, assured the jury that the fail would take the stand and could tell you the truth about what happened at that house that night, I D A.

And they would also call multiple psychiatrists who testify that running the fao junior was of sound mind, and this couldn't be held responsible for whatever had happened that night OK the prosecution had a relatively straightforward tail detail IT was the one that most people were already familiar with because I had a lot of press coverage um the medical examiner testified that you know to the extent of the victims wounds, including the fact that at least two the victims, Lewis and dawn had been conscious and aware before they were shot I think also elson, they believed, was possibly conscious OK um in the days that followed, several investigators detailed their experiences at the crime scene and their interactions would be fail before and after his arrest. Detective goes law, for example, told the jury about his various interviews with the fao and round disclosure that he was an active heroin user who had injected with drugs as recently as the day of the murder. Now the most important testimony came from those investigators who had taken multiple statements from around the fao.

In his testimony, Dennis raphi told the jury that run had given multiple accounts, ranging from him simply discovering some of the bodies to his hearing the shots and then eventually his confession that he acted alone in killing all six members of his family. By then, the detectives explained that they already strongly suspected that he was the murder right, based on the inconsistency in his stories in the vary pieces of evidence that they got from the scene, which included the ammunition tones of IT in the box for the marian river that was used in the murder. hidden? yeah.

So raf. d. His testimony was backed up by the other detectives present during this time, including the attended Robert done, who told the jury, I got up and left the room and off the horror of what I had just heard done, who was a member of the organized crime unit, explained that he was called in by the local authorities because that whole claim about the tony mazo thing, the members, the mafia involved, however, they investigated that claim.

And he said, there is absolutely noticed to that. What soever yeah. Finally, dunn also refuted the claim that the fail was mistreated and abused violent police custody. And he said, as far as he knew and saw, he gave his confession completely voluntarily.

Right now, the state's case against the failure was strong and supported by evidence, but Sullivan nonetheless anticipated an insanity defense and was prepared with witnesses to combat that claim. Okay, in her testimony, the prosecution, the fails aunt fill procede. So the fails aunt told the jury Ronald's history of mental illness was a hoax perpetrated in order to keep run from being sent to vietnam oh yeah, according to and sick s.

IT does and according to the aunt about a gear before the murder, he was, quote, introduced to a man who claimed to have been paid five thousand dollars to keep run out of the U. S. army.

Oh, but this was .

among several examples where ronal senior, seemingly paid or otherwise compensated individuals to keep his son out of trouble, or to get him out of trouble that he had already been in. yeah. On november six, round to failed, junior took the stand to testify in his own behalf must .

have been something.

and he wanted to provide support for that incentive defense. According to his testimony, to failed told weber in the jury that he felt very duty bound to kill anyone. He considered a threat and he saw nothing wrong with killing his entire family, which he claimed was done in self defense.

Or even the seven year. Yeah, that make sense. He said, quote, when I ve gone in my hand, i'm god.

According to the fail, he woke up on the couch the night of the murder and saw his sister dawn standing before him in the living room with the rifle in her hands. And SHE told him that he was gone to kill everyone. Okay, so he said, I took the rifle away from her and he just disappeared. And I walked a few feet into my parents bedroom, and I just started to shoot.

That doesn't make any sense. What.

when he was cross examined by Sullivan to fail, reiterated that he had killed all six members of his family. But then later in his testimony to the prosecution, he claimed he believed his sister don had killed his brothers. okay.

According to the fail, don was constantly at odds with their parents, and their arguments did frequently escalate to violent confrontations between her and their father. This is according to one of IT. Okay, he said on the stand. He said, I should have let them kill each other. Oh, I believe this was not a happy household coming from his mouth of.

yes, I see you have to take IT with a yeah of salt.

In defense of his insanity plea, runne ll told the jury he frequently heard voices can in the house coming from the house, which is where we get the next, and had command hallucinations that instructed him to act out violent. He said, for months before the incident, I heard voices, and whenever I looked around, there was no one there. So I must have been god talking to me.

Parly not. When weber asked if he thought anyone in the court room had been trying to kill him, he replied, yeah. Filus process to my aunt who was sitting out there.

Let's new a new information.

yeah. So upon redirection, Sullivan said, is there anyone else you think is trying to kill you? And he said, you. So he's really trying for that and sending yeah that seems that fills proceed to wasn't the only witness the prosecution had planned to undermine the fails claims of insanity.

They also called out a former cell mate of his, a cl mate that he had apparently boosted about his plan defense to. So according to john kramer, who shared a cell next to fail in the sick bay, ron had told him about his plan to plead in sanity and boosted that he was, quote, bigger than Charles s. menthon.

Oh, please. Crammer told the the jury he was in the sun next to me in the sick bay area of the jail, and he keep telling me all these spins even after he told him I didn't want to hear anything or get involved. Sullivan also suspended several of the guards at the jail, who testified the dahal had asked them how the mentally ill inmates acted when they were locked up.

I always wonder why inmates will do that, because only do you not think that these people have like that. They're not onna rat on you. Do you think that literal job like think .

they have any loyalty to you? Do you just think, do you think at all? Do you think so? One of the guards, James David, basically, when the failure had asked him, like out of the act, he said, he told him inmates burned things, pretended to forget the names of prisoners and guards whom they knew SAT on a shelf in the cell and fame, suicide attempts. okay.

And according to divide, right after I told him those things, he began doing them all and yelling at me to enter them in the log book. But I considered them silly and refuse to make any entries except for the incident when he tried to set the cell on fire. Oh my god, I now, towards the end of the trial, sullies called doctor herald so on to testify us to his experience evaluating wrong following his arrest.

So on testified that he diagnosed the fail with an anti social personality, but he added that the diagnosis did not affect his ability to tell right from wrong, right. He insisted he, quote, was aware of what he was doing when he killed his parents and four brothers and sisters. So on further said, if he was in any paranoid psychosis, there would be no compulsion for him to hide the signs of his wrongdoings, such as trying to destroy the evidence or lie to the police.

Right on november nineteen, the trial came to a close after each side gave their closing reMarks and in a statement you are Sullivan when over all the evidence of the testimony for the jury and reminded them that the faire had confessed to the crime but only recently had started claiming that he was mentally yellow when he called his family yeah, rather than insanity. So liven, restate the police states belief that to fao callously, commonly and coldly planned the execution of his family, Carried them out, and then win about carefully taking the murder rifle in the use cartridge and his blood stained clothing and hiding them in an obscure bricklin storm rain to cover up his role in the murders. He reminded the jury that noone was denying that the fail was sick, only that he wasn't so impaired that he didn't know what he was doing was wrong.

Now, William weber, on the other hand, said, while his client had committed the murder, he had only done so because he was insane at the time and was heavily influenced by psychiatric, psychotic delusions. Excuse me, also, he continued to assert that the fail had only confessed after being beaten and abused by investigators. Now, at the time run, the fails trial was the longest criminal trial held in suffer county, oh, wow, at lasting nearly a month and a half.

After almost three days of deliberation, the jury emerged before little before noon on november twenty first and announced that they've reached a unanimous ous decision finding round to fail guilty on all six counts of second gree murder, such a county, district torney henrie brian said in a statement to the press. I'm extremely pleased the members of this ury realized the viciousness of the defendant and have removed a menus to our community when asked for comment on the verdict defense attack, y William web shook his head and said, i'm glad I was in a member of the jury. Does that he didn't mean, okay, you are the defense tourney though, leave the worst position like I don't really get IT because you lost. yeah. So for the jurors, IT really all came down to his attempts to hide the .

evidence and his guilt. The comment, mr.

that's what I would be for me.

Yeah, like the spells, his clothing, like beard.

He was a sound mind. You know what he was doing that one of the jury said that was a major sign of guilt. He knew what he was doing.

You on november fourth round was back before judge Thomas start for sentencing and at the time sullied urged the court to show to not show any mercy and handing down to fail sentence, describing the crime as and event so appalling and cattle clisson c that IT is without equal yes, for its a anio lation like the jurors, judge start couldn't ignore the extent that to fail, went to to conceal his criminal acx and deflect the guilt on to innocent people as well. You're trying to get someone else to go down for this, right? He said, I stated my intention to impose life sentences with the longest minimum period possible. I then impose six sentences of life imprisonment, each with a minimum of twenty five years, to run consecutively with respect to each other. So he handed down six life sending system.

So I think that's what he deserved.

So I found this article by Marvin Scott from long island will include IT somewhere. But he had followed the story closely, and he spoke via letters to to fail a lot. In one of the letters with the fail to fail said, he admitted there was absolutely no voices in the house, even though he had claimed on the sand that that was he said there was no insanity and he wrote, there was no demand.

You know who the deeming is. I'm the demand that yeah now. And he also claimed later that there was never a question of sanity and everyone knew IT. He said his defense attorney, William mother, capitalized on that and he wanted to get book deals and a movie going about the case. So he and he wanted that and and he actually tried to get a new trial later based on his claims of this with the previous defense.

But heeding go on no, in the years that followed ronal to fail in his defense attache, while you on marber did file multiple appeals and petitions for parole at various points, maintaining his innocence and claims of mental ill ness, even though later they would abandon that. yeah. But each of the attempts was denied by the appeal ports in the airports, in the Pearl board.

An ultimately, the failure would spend the rest of his life in the new york's prison system until his death on march twelve, twenty twenty one was going to say, but no one knows how he died. How old was he? He was sixty nine.

And there's they don't know how he died at all. They know how he died. I we don't know how he died. It's unscented do you can't find IT anywhere, do you think? Is just to add to the I don't know.

I mean.

I don't I don't know why.

but we wanted do that.

But but I think I don't know that's bazar. I don't know someone took him out what? And under Normal circumstances, this rona fails post conviction. Life would probably have just like fade into obscurity, like resurfacing every known no as one does.

But a few years after his conviction, the fails crimes and his defense would become the basis for one of america's most sensational and controversial paraNormal stories. You know what i'm talking about? The envy 4 horr。 We talk about coffee and George. George lets that jack, basic White .

man names.

yeah. So IT ensured that his legacy went much further. His death, yeah, but next we will be talking about the wild tale that is the envy vohr, the bending around.

We've talking about the, talking about the the edlund warn of IT, all the pictures, all the things associated with IT. Because are so many things going to get Willy as fuck next? See you then.

So we will keep listening and we hope you fuck is up with that. That's really fucked up that way. To weird. I hate that.

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