Episode 605: The Stars Over Salem with Special Guest Aliza Kelly
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And this is a special edition of more bad.

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this is so cool. We have a lisa Kelly on the show today, but selling author, professional strategy and host of paves new show or slow weekly with elisa Kelly.

Thank you so much. I am so excited to be here a fellow. Weird now, yeah, lifelong weird.

W we, you, the ribs are right. Yes.

we knew immediately we were like, our weirdos unite.

Yeah, I know I could sniff out of a weirdo from miles away. So, perfect, almost as we .

down for me. I love IT game. See game.

So we're going to be getting into Ellen's roman empire, the sale, which trials again.

I know you all said that before after did they were like up, we're talking they're jack the ripper sale. Yes, one of those, one of the two.

but we're punning a fun spin on at this time. Yeah and we're going to talk about like the astrological events that we're going on. And um I just to start itself as a how did you get into astrology? Was that something you've always been interested in? Was that something that just like knocked on your door?

Well, I mean, it's sort of a combination. I mean, as as I mentioned, lifelong weirdo here, you know. So I don't think that anyone was surprised when I started to gravitate more towards astrology.

But at the same time, I was really quite surprised by IT. I was in my early twenty. I was living in los Angeles.

I was at that time working. I had graduated with a degree in art history. I was working in galleries.

And I was finding myself increasingly dissatisfied with my life and just feeling that, I mean, what we all go through and our early twenty years, and many of us do the sense of, like, confusion. Who am I? What am I doing? And I started to try to solve that puzzle. And I found my birth chart.

I found out that not only was I A leo son, which I related to a little bit but not fully but discovering I was a pis moon really oh my god it's a big breakthrough and yeah yeah and IT unlocked so much for me and then from there I just know I kept researching, kept studying um and then I started to realize that you know this language with something that wasn't just applicable to me, but other people were also interested in my interpretations of what was going on with their charts. So gradually IT just started to build, and there was a whole host. This was ten years ago now, so there was a whole host of things that happened. I started an astrology dating up in ten years ago with a friend from college. We were sort of ahead of the curve on that.

Yeah.

he was amazing. I mean, was also right when tender and hinge and all of this were coming out. So IT was sort of recognizing like he is an interesting space where people want to be making these connections. But is right now it's so superficial. Um so just starting to realize and starting to sort of create this more modern vocabulary around astrology has always been something that was really significant and meaningful to me especially because when I started IT was still very much reserved for like cookie ones and say no like like you're wearing like big turcos jewelry, like going through beds to talk about the stronger change.

And I wanted to find a way to make IT relevant um because I saw how valuable IT was and how instrumental IT was for helping people connect the dots and figure out who they were holistically and that's what I really been doing in in various ways in various formats ever since. Um I am really so passionate about IT because I really think IT is a beautiful way of building confidence, empowerment, compassion, understanding who you are, understanding what the people in your life are about. And of course, we can use IT for cool things like looking back into the past, like what we're going to do today and seeing what was going on, what we're the trans. And that is really valuable, you know, is valuable to see patterns and to recognize where things keep coming up, where those pain points are so that we can ideally learn from them, not just over again, let's say.

the things I feel like everybody knows their sunshine and like knows a little bit about a ology. But when you really start to look into that, I can tell you all these different things. And like looking into the stars over sale and I feeling is going to be so interesting.

You like you said about like being more like like knowing more about yourself when you start learning more about your soda and like what your chart, what's going on, that's what. Because ash like started getting into and telling me more about things about me .

and to me understand .

you but you help me understand myself. But yeah and it's like and then to help me understand, you know like my relationship with you, like gemini, why certain things like work and why certain things are like if he why certain you know why we do this and it's I don't think people look into IT far enough that way and it's like, it's really helpful. I knew I can make you sit there and go like, oh, that's why i'm that way like that checks and validates yes.

I mean, something that i've always said is that to me, you know, the question of whether astrology is or isn't real is less significant than recognizing that when we have astrological conversations, we have Better conversations, we have richer conversations, we open up, were vulnerable.

We really are like allowing ourselves to be multi dimensional, and which is explore truth, yes, but is often, you know, we whether or not we are even intending to, we sort of stick to our own stereotype. Pes, you know, we believe that we are a certain way, and thus we show up is that way. And with the strategy, we are reminded of the fact that know how you present yourself might not be how you feel, and how you communicate might not be what motivated.

And each one of these pieces of you has its own merits and has its own strength, and also, of course, its own weaknesses. Course, so that we can see holistically how we sort of move through the world. Yeah, absolutely.

I think the more into you.

into IT you, you get, the harder is to deny that it's real. And I think having this conversation today is gonna ve that yeah I mean.

I will never argue with the efficacy of a straw logy. I've seen IT IT changed my life in unit. Working with that and understanding how these planets move and seeing their patterns is is really wild.

You know, it's IT was wild to be an astoria in twenty twenty and IT was wild to be an astrological in twenty eighteen and twenty twenty. Looking at the astrology of two twenty, twenty, something big is coming. Look like .

and I have you .

all of my receipts from back then and sort of being like, let's keep focus on something really interesting that I have any here wow. Not, of course, knowing what IT was because that was not within my sort of preview. understand.

But then at that time to see, okay, when jupiter and satan connect, these types of things happen, as has been reported over history, when saturn, pluto connect, these types of things happen, and at all really lined up. So yeah, I really, you know, it's been for this duration of time, for a decade of doing strategy. I can say that IT is there is really something to IT you know, IT really does check out and IT definitely checks out in these cards too.

It's going to be so interesting to here some of these things i'm so you like be like singing, like all the sentences him like, oh, okay, so that was happening because it's a necessary event right here. No one's been able to explain. I mean, people go into like the ergot poisoning theory where it's like, you know, those are fungus on the White that they were making the bread was and maybe everybody to and it's like, but maybe there's more to this like that massive aria just seem too much for like you know a fung st to be the reason for just people having group think to be the reason it's like maybe there is something that was going on that kind of said .

everybody off yeah and I guess you know what how I want to sort of preface all of this is that when we talk about astrology, we have to remind ourselves that we can and we're not talking about IT on a binary of good or bad. Astrology is much more complex than just we're being a positive and negative, right? Like there's lots of manifestations of how these different planets in their different sodium signs can come to. So just because if you know if we find ourselves talking about gemini, which were going to .

you are german I .

listeners are all the same which trial no. IT doesn't mean and that they are the ones who are. They're the problem. Yes.

it's not at my eyes, never not the problem.

It's it's interesting because we're definitely going to talk about a lot of things that are sort of oddly parallel to where we are today. And IT doesn't mean that we are currently living in the same conditions as these purton we're living in in, in america, you know yeah, obviously, life is very different and things are very different. But what's cool about astrology is that we can start to see, well, if we take this path instead of another path, this is how these energies could play out, right? And in the case of these trials, and in all of these individuals who were involved in IT, they were definitely doing sort of like the less ideal version .

of their science.

but that doesn't mean that they had to do someone just found out here in this context. So that sort of like my discretion imer we go into.

I mean, no, also I will say no caperton d to be found this.

but that doesn't even mean anything. I'm just .

just yeah .

i'm sure you have your own. You're like the cruel say you say i'm sure we have well behind the capra korn era.

We will find the leases return .

to more bit will be the capricorn .

era like a found one. exactly.

Can you explain .

exactly what a birth charges, just in case people don't know what because we're going to be talking about a lot of dates yeah just so people understand like what this is all investing.

So a birth chart is a snapshot of the sky at the exact moment of a birth or an event. So when we look at a birth chart, we can see where all of the planets were in at that moment. And each planet and astrology has a role.

IT has something that is doing. It's signifying something. And then the way in which IT does that thing that IT does is in the zodiac n that IT occupies.

So if we have the planet uranus, which is the planet of revolution and innovation, it's going to express itself differently. In tourists, which is an earth sign. It's about sort of groundless. And practicality is in gemini, which is an air sign that has to do with curiosities and innovative and a new sort of connections in new ways of thinking.

So when we look at all of these different planets, we're going to get a sense of what was the atmosphere, what was going on in the backdrop of this time and especially as we look to see sort of these events unfolding, what's cool and what I observed as I was pulling them is that they're sort of this krishna that happens um throughout this year. And again, you know there were many points where IT didn't have to go as far as I went. And to me, that's also really compelling yeah because there were so many points like you could you have this big thing up and we're going to talk about what that big thing was in the year sixteen ninety two. And we sort of applied this story line to that big thing, and that's how IT manifested and unfolded in this case.

That's so i'm so excited to get into this. This is just such an interesting way to look at this, definitely. So I think we'll start with this. We're going to start with where IT all kicked. So the sale, which trials began in january sixteen ninety two um they didn't end until may sixteen ninety three, will go through a few dates in between there. Um but I think what will start with is can we start with when they all began in january?

Yeah and I love this chart because I think that this chart really sort of establishes what was happening right in this chart to me. This we have this january fifteen and sixty ninety two date and this sort of kicks off um the story, right? So this is really the birth chart of the salem .

with which trials to.

yes, I am. There is some really interesting thing. So well, IT was caprica season. Oh, we found IT right of the best.

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so but when we look at um something as significant as this， we're not going to pay as much attention to the personal planets is what they're called, which are the sun, the moon, mercury, Venus, to pay a little attention to mars because it's kind of between those. But those planets that I just mentioned before, they're important, but they aren't as much of the generational backdrop as the slower moving planets.

So mars is sort of between, but definitely jupiter sater and uranus neptune ludo. We're really curious about what's going on with those because those are defining what that that guide is. That's what the era is.

Um so some interesting things going on at this time. We had jupiter and tourists i'll go through at first sort of run down the list. Um so we actually it's when IT starts on january fifteen and sixty sixty two, we have mars retrograde and german I jupiter is in tourist yaris is in gami.

That's a really important one. So fat that we have a saturn in sagittarius also something to flag. Neptune is in Prices and pluto u is in the final degrees of being in cancer.

So all of that um there are each one of these planets is doing something specific and unique at this time. But when I pull this chart, the first thing that stood out to me was jupiter and tourists that kind of familiar. We actually just had jupiter in tourists in the right now.

Jupiter was in tourists all of last year in twenty twenty three or if you but that happens. That's not that crazy. That happens every twelve years. So okay, there is a cycle around that. But then as I kept sort of poking around, I also was thinking about an anticipating that throughout this year we're going to have jupiter signing up with your ness at some point in in sixteen ninety two that just just happened. And that one isn't that common?

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that's what just happened where jupiter and uranus, that was April of twenty twenty four, that those two sink up again. And then as i'm continuing to go around here, I see neptune is in passes in this chart. Neptunes, in passes right now.

Wa, in the sky. wow. And that one is really rare. That one is really, that's one hundred and forty four year orbit. So that one does not happen very often that it's it's very special to have that tune in paris.

And I would say that, that tune pis is going to be a very place of very significant role in all of this, in all of these trials for us right now. Neptune went into pies in twenty eleven and is going to be leaving Prices in twenty twenty five. So where are the final end of neptunes journey through Prices? OK?

I'm going to explain what this means in just a bit as well, but just sort of too, this is my like fly by of what's going on here. The last thing that is really curious to me is that we had pluto, which is the planet of transformation, at the final degrees of cancer. Why is that so interesting? Well, currently we have pluto at the final degrees of capricorn.

Cancer in cape corn are opposites. So it's exactly one hundred and eighty degrees away from where I was during the scale in which trials. I was shocked because I knew that this chart was going to be interesting.

That is interesting thing. But things right now well, which of course, is need to have this little profit at the beginning. And I don't want to scare people into being like, oh, no.

Yeah, there is something to be said for where we are now. We find ourselves, you know, quite a lot into the future from this time. And yet somehow I I can imagine that we can relate to this story of mass historia. And that IT is something that we, as a society, are constantly needing to sort of check ourselves.

going to say, we always have to check ourselves before IT tips over.

yes, yeah. And obviously, the conditions of being in colonial amErica are very different than today. But IT is interesting how, with similar sort of transit we find ourselves, almost always adding on that is interested.

I would just somehow Better able to pull IT back the brand. But if I was in a different environment, a different time, a different because going IT tipping over.

yes. And because we have stories like this, right stories like this are powerful reminders of what could happen if we don't rain IT in I don't know what if our friends here you know all of the names that we're going to start mentioning the proactive ors ah the court, the partners, was there a precedent for this at that time that they were citing and referencing and being like careful because in the year thirteen hundred these scary things like they were so probably .

swept .

up in this moment that they weren't aware of the fact that this was that there was a sort of a cautionary tale to be said for yeah and he does feel like there's so many and .

i'm sure we'll go to like there's so many times during these trials were you like you could have stopped like stop why stop hearing yeah why we taking IT further and they just didn't kept tipping IT over and they got nothing worth till finally I did explode and everybody is like, way to think maybe we've overdone IT here.

Maybe this isn't okay. Yeah, that's exactly right. So just to sort of summarize what these planets are doing here and sort of the the snapshot of this guy when the trials began, um there was a really interesting we were sort of walking this line and we were at this edge between story lines, which is kind of where we find ourselves right now with pluto being in the final degrees of cancer.

Pluto is the planet of transformation, but IT also was the underbelly of things. IT really likes to go deep. And expose is definitely very connected to sort of the esoteric and the ark and which thing I love that I an which is great. I which yeah people being false accused of which craft don't right .

don't think that .

actually and I feel like that sort of you know if this chart wanted to understand yeah you know this chart was really deeply trying to get to what is the truth of what is going on. And I think that IT backfired obviously. Think you know, yeah sort of where that truth was was misdirected. But I can relate to this change in IT being very curious, in IT being very sort of interested in what is going on behind the scenes and trying to understand or of the core narrative.

And I think the attention was really on sort of like what's, you know, there's all of these weird things happening, but what's really at the root of IT, like what's the deep narrative here? And IT was this false accusation, you know, is what is how they manifested, that on a good day, this chart could be a cult. This chart could be, which I, this chart could be interested in journalism. This change could be sort of spilling the tea, but IT wouldn't in exposing things. But I would do so with more moral attached .

to rain IT in a little yeah so and it's true because this this exposed so much these is like they exposed the issues with peta ism and exposed the issues with the colony as a whole. Expose some you know issues with the trial system, how I laws that they were coming. It's justice, big families and salem and the surrounding, you know, towns that were doing things out of ventures, lace, you know, grabbing land whenever they could, so IT exposed so much, right, like in a horrible way, horrible, that we had to go through all that to expose all these things. But I really IT was a huge exposition of people for sure.

right? And that's really interesting, because it's what they thought they were exposing turned out to be the the fall city, right? But what was actually exposed was the injustice, and was the sort of the power dynamics and IT was the this really vacuo corner system is so true.

Yeah, yeah. Big time, which is wild. Well, this is so when when I first began, IT was basically Betty paris cambaya Williams who have the first accusers.

And they were, you know, they got a girl teacher. Ba, they got sa, I was born and they got sa good for the if you know they, why they were afflicted. And the examination of the accused to began on march first of sixteen and ninety two. So I feel like that's a pretty part date because that's when IT all kind of kicked off of them doing the physical examination, starting to bring the spectre of stuff in. That's when things started again, wacky.

So on this day on march for sixty ninety two um IT was py season. The sun was at eleven degrees of pies, and IT was making a conjunction to neptune. I mentioned neptune a minute ago.

Neptune is the planet of illusion and delusion. Neptune o and neptune beings IT. IT can be very mystical, very spiritual, very sort of between realms. If we're using natuna correctly, it's sort of our ability to be able to mean it's our imagination, it's spectral evidence, right?

It's our fantasy world is also interestingly, neptune has to do with the entertainment industry, which I think is another interesting sort of modern association of right. So it's anything sort of that is smoking mirrors. So so the sun, which represent sort of how we are navigating a day to day, right?

It's sort of this, whether the sun is this, this is what was going on at that moment. And the backdrop of IT was that I was connected to this very usial, mysterious planet in the sign of pies, which is also the last time in the odic. Also a water sign, elusive, mysterious.

So sign neptune conjunction. We would absolutely say that that is something that has a high fantasy, high fantasy. wow. Yes.

look about bank a .

square to an exact square to satan at eleven degrees of sagetown arias. Saturn is the planet of rules, restriction, responsibly lit. E.

S. And IT also, it's your house is, yes, IT is kafr. Corn is ruled by saturn.

And satan also represents the legal system. So we have this high fantasy making this really tight aspect to saturn and vegetarians. Sagetown arias also has to do with philosophy, religion, the legal system. So we're seeing a very religious legal system. And then we have this harsh aspect to square, connecting this, like fantastic cal realm, to the legal system and to yes and to our sort of rigorous religious beliefs.

Wow.

so it's crazy how spot that is .

for everything.

I I have goose bum, because the party doesn't just done there. Oh, go. So the sun was at eleven degrees, satan was at eleven degrees, and jupiter was at eleven degrees. Jupiter also has to do with the amplification of things, making something bigger. Wow, there was just the the overall message of this chart was like things are changing around until .

you get crazy face done.

And and where .

to bring IT into the legal system, which is supposed to be based on logic. But it's bite religion here.

great. That's exactly IT. And throughout these charts we see this sort of um well, at this point in the charts, we don't this actually end up sort of losing side of this as the year goes on.

But at this point in the charts, there's this really interesting counter baLance between what is real, what can I rely on, what is factual and then what is fantasy, right? And there's this sort of battle between these two things, and eventually we end up sort of completely surrendering to the fantasy word. But as of right now, it's this tension.

It's this sort of like, I want this to be A, I want this to be A A nice place to live. Like we want things to be safe here. We're doing this for the people.

The greater good, the greater good. yes. But I I guess I should say that the backdrop of this is that we've were sort of losing touch with reality. We progressively definitely yeah.

absolutely. And he really is. This is when he went from, like, they're flicked. What could this be in the accusations? And this is when IT jumped up that not to the examination period. So make so that's that like kick up yeah next level yes, that's so scary.

That's terrifying.

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So the next day we have is made fourteen, sixteen, ninety two. This is when this is significant because is when civilian fips arrive to take this role as the royal governor. And William fips does play a big role in all of this, eventually ending them, or at least effectively ending them. But this is when he took his role. So this is when he began rolling over.

So the main thing that i'm noticing in this chart, when I pulled this up, is that we have two really strong conjunctions happening again. A conjunction is when multiple planets are meeting at the same point. So we have a sun in jupiter conjunction.

The sun was at twenty four degrees of tourist. Jupiter was a twenty seven degrees of tourists. Jupiter is the planet of expansion. The sun represents sort of what we are doing in that day.

So this is sort of exposing that the events took place on this day are going to be big, right? It's sort of being like this is important. Pay attention to what's happening right now. Sun, jupiter is also generally considered very lucky.

So there is a sort of if you were to look at this chart, you would say this, there is a sort of like a something is fortunate or auspicious ous in the background of this chart. Another interesting thing is that pluto, the planet of transformation that wants to get to the underbelly of things, and mars, which is the planet of action and motivation, are connected at this time, too. So simultaneously, there's something fortunate, specious, and that desire to want to uncover gets louder and louder. So those two stories are bulky. Present in this chart .

seems like there like fighting each other with him being appointed governor. Maybe that's the fortunate thing because eventually he's going to be the one that says, like this is a crazy, but first he's fighting this whole like is this really happening with the witches? Is that not happening to bring these .

people to justice? Do I know? Do I want to clean our community like I to go?

right? yeah. And and it's there is this sort of true deep pene desire to want to figure out what is the root of what is going on, you know? And I think that if we give this the benefit of the doubt, it's very earnest you know it's very earnest of like there's something's weird here and colony, you know something off we are in the state of sail life you so what going on here, right?

And I suppose that was pretty fortunate that like know that William philps was the pointing governor and not somebody who would have kept this going and maybe taken IT even and maybe we have a further further i'm not saying he did the greatest job, but like he did, you know that I feel like somebody else could have been been a lot worse.

And IT makes sense that he didn't do the greatest job because he's got this internal battle in the story, might be doing the right thing, but he realizes he is not. Yes, interest. Very interesting one.

This one feels like it's going to be like a pretty big moment. It's made twenty seven, sixty, ninety two. It's when seven judges are appointed to the court of oil and terminal.

Oh, you're in terminal. I admitting this in the episodes we ve covered this. That means to hear and determined and they made this for this.

And it's by thom, you got an athenian sutton style, john halfon Williams, sergeant C. M. C. While weight still winthrop, which I still think is a really cool name, even though not a great guy.

yeah.

But that's when they were all appointed to this court to oversee the trials.

which is a big so I mean, it's this is definitely the tipping point. Feels like IT makes one sixty ninety two. Let's never forget the day, because at this, on this day, jupiter der goes into german.

I so dupe leaves tourist, right? And we talked about jupiter being sort of whatever is expanded, jupiter expands, whatever is next to. So we have this expensive energy.

Now in germany, I at zero degrees that just went in. And astrology heads will know that when a planet goes first enter as a new odie cine. That energy is off the charts. Yeah, it's really party, party.

And we'll hear the party.

And guess where jupiter is in the sky right now? Friends in.

that's a hurry.

yes. And it's also kind of care.

Yeah, I love that .

summer .

in the worst way. So jupiter is moved into gami, and then we have your inness in germany. I and then we have the sun in germany, and then hire the planet of or the asteroid ID.

The comment actually of wounds of our deepest wounds is in germany, and mercury is in germany. I so we have what is called the Stella. This is when multiple planets are meeting at the same point in the sky in gami. And at this point, all of that sort of toria rationality that jupiter was holding on to has gone. It's, it's we are now in a different realm in the station.

We're in germany.

I and I want to sort of take a moment here because gi always gets a lot of push back. Our german I friends are constantly being ridiculed.

Tell me about his sister. Yeah.

just tell me about that and there's germinie are not evil. I think that you know what we should know about gami is that they're the first assign. They're symbolized by the twins and people spin that to be like, oh, to jack and hi.

maybe I just have a duality that you don't .

say twins are not too much exact tally. Wrong question.

That's exactly right. Gi and twins are are there separate? right? There is. And what this simple symbolizes astrologically, is that german ize are so curious, they're so interested in multiple things that they had to duplicate themselves in order for them to be able to do all of the things and accomplish all the things that they are they're passionate about.

So it's really less about like one side and then the other, like if we're all so busy that we can make time in the day to do everything that I have to just beat two people, exactly that. So I think that often are push back of is really a push back of our own duality, right? And it's more IT IT exposes the the person who is shading on german I as someone who can't really handle their own complexities. So justice for gemini. Ze.

thank you so much that I had to say that .

because we're about to really talk shit about you. And we know that I am not saying that .

ash started the sale of which trials. But .

well, I had to say that because this is now this is when the turning point happens, right? This is when the the trials go from we're trying to do what's best for our community into full blown .

mysterium.

Ah yes and it's gossip because that is one of the we can't deny the geri's a love the team every a good .

gossip has a sign as a trade that could be taken either way yeah yeah it's true.

So in this case, um what's really interesting to me is that and we mentioned this at the beginning of the episode, the jupiter uranus conjunction that is looming in is sort of we is coming in the year sixty ninety two. We're working towards the stupid yearnings conjunction, the same jupiter yearnings conjunction we just had in April of this past year. However, we had IT in the sign of tourists. Now in sixty ninety two is happening in germany. Un will be in germany in twenty twenty five, but we will or twenty twenty six, but we will cross that bridge when yes.

i'm so scared .

your life so jupiter and in us um are coming together or they're soon to be coming together. And the energy around this eun us being the planet of innovation revolution, shocking things is that we are moving towards a which hunt revolution with this chart and the judges being appointed to this court is really marking a new era for what this place is going to be, what the the standard, what the president is.

So as we will soon see, laws come back, right? Laws that i've been over to and come back into the fold. And that's because it's a revolution they're not seeing.

This is something that's a regression they're seeing. This is something that is actually really innovative, which is new rules, new way of doing things. And they see themselves as being highly progressive for how they approaching this.

That makes sense that they saw that way. Yeah, really.

absolutely.

And again, we see this. The Stella and gami is now an opposition to satan and vegetarians, which we talked about before as sort of our anker of what the legal system was. An opposition is one hundred and eighty degrees apart.

So it's sort of being pulled in different directions. On one hand, we have, like, we want as much information as possible, says this german estela. Come in with all of your freaky spectral evidence.

Will listen to me. listen. Well, listen. We love that .

we will hear and .

determine yes. And like there's no rules to what IT could be because the evidence can come from any place in any way, what so ever. Meanwhile, saturn is now out numbered with all of this. So sdn sagittarius is like, okay, well, I guess if this is gona be the philosophy, this is gonna the court system. So so now has to sort of to all of these german I planets and it's it's changing the structure of the court because .

of that wow, that makes so much like that. I really does when you lait out like that .

and it's so interesting when you said like IT entered at zero degrees and IT all just pops yeah from there and if IT gets more intensive.

we go so absolutely because sense you already mentioned on june eighth, sixty ninety two, my birth though I just again, i'm not saying .

justice .

for gender. That's when they did bring back an old mass susi law that was made obsol by another law against tanging. They bring that back to a law execution by hanging yeah so they were like, I know we got up and it's we miss IT, we're going to pull out back .

and yeah because why not yeah and for them they are like, no, this is actually this.

This is moderate.

And in this futuristic utopia, yeah, we recognize that the wishes are among us. And to protect our community, we ve got be executing .

them left .

and right, the hero. And I think, of course, you know, this is such a cautionary tale of what how, at any point in time something that then you look back and you're like that's barbering and bananas at the moment felt really innovative and aggressive.

We're doing what we need to do.

keep everyone. yes. And I don't think that I was even looking at these charts. I don't think that there is even a consideration of the fact that they were doing something cruel and unusual.

no. wow. And you can tell they did.

yes. And IT is interesting for me because you know there's a different version of this story with planets and different signs, right, where we might interpret more of that sort of like they were getting freaky, you know, like they wanted to really do some, they wanted to to be experimental. But like this is really like we think we're doing the right thing.

We think we're being progressive. We want to all of the data. We want all of the information, and we're going to be the leaders in the colony.

everyone else how to do things. We're this .

issue, again, don't.

Because IT was literally only two days later, on june tenth, is when they had their first execution .

of bridge .

ish p .

so they right away brought this law, and then they immediately put IT into motion. They were like, what? Two days later we can hang someone yet .

like crazy yeah and at this time we have that same sort of that that motion, that movement towards jupiter urinous. Um and that conjunction is is we're actually at the height of IT. Jupiter is at three degrees, your innes' at six degrees. They're only three degrees, three degrees away from each other within the week, they're going to be forming that exact conjunction .

wild and that and again, three days after that. So within that same time time span, yeah that's when the church, the salem church, excommunicate rebeca nurse, who was just like pious church going woman who everyone loved, will get into her because I i've like a special place in my her for this bea, but they actually communicated her in the same week. So it's like when all that was going on IT was just going and up and up and up and again, probably thinking they're being doing what they need to do to keep the church clean, setting the new standard, setting that new standard. I think you are going to be excommunicate if you are accused of this.

which is so scary, right? And what we see in that case is that even though this very pious woman and community member who was very beloved 是， you know, IT IT was unfathered to think that this person could be a which, because this data is being presented at new types of evidence, new types of material that gman I like, I want to hear that.

I want to hear IT bring IT, bring IT and ready.

which again, you know, and it's it's hunting for me, because here I am an astrologers, and it's once again in election year. And all I want to remind people is that what jupiter in german, I right now make sure that you are really looking at the source of, do we know how to tell whether something is propaganda or not?

Absolutely so important if same thing here is the same. They said they were just letten at all through, yes.

that's grief. And especially, you know we have these similar sort of parallels happening. I have no problem with A I like i'm not one of those people that thinks that A I is going to maybe .

I should think.

But with all of that, it's right now being deemed as very innovative, right? It's being deemed as very progressive.

feels very much.

And we had and we are collecting all of the data are right. And it's like this were giving of the data to these different technologies, yes, that we don't really understand right now. And i'm just you know I just want to put that yeah I just want let IT just think one of the time and yeah I mean, but I don't know I because I really is a very I mean.

it's a very much of paralo yes, IT makes a lot of fun that really does. I am like I have Charles, I know. And now is like a short period of time that's like, you know in june, like bambang, they were they were going to started and IT, clearly, a lot happens throughout the rest of the year, but we're going to bum IT to september of sixty ninety two because I think that's when things started shifting the other way.

That's when we went through all the turmoil that had been clearly building up to a chrono at this point. But in september of sixty ninety two, the cord oil and terminals stopped meeting because that's when people started to going way fect. What are we doing here? You're not hearing and determining anything. You're hearing everything, determining nothing.

really determining one thing.

Every is interesting .

now that when you when I hear you say that as we're talking about gemini and sage, the hearing and determining, I mean, I feel like that is the spirit of the gami and egta ous access as hearing and determining yeah .

my big three really oh my god.

But less determining.

more hearing, more hearing .

every yeah ah .

sage energy we need more of the sad sad was in sage but was being totally outnumber red by all of the geri. So now is but interestingly, at this time you that conjunction we are sort of moving away from IT. That conjunction between jupiter and newness had happened.

Jupiter is now at twenty degrees of gami. Um so that Stella that big you know if you also also you guys the chart, but like it's in may twenty on may twenty seven when those when those judges were appointed, it's like a massive amount of planets pooling in one area. By the time we get to mid september, it's dissipated. There is no more telling him it's all sort of broken up. It's a much more I don't want to say it's there's nothing abNormal about australian, but it's just much more well.

baLance time yeah makes sense.

And interestingly, saturn has more agency and control again now in the channel because it's not being outnumbered by all of these you know heavy duty um gami placements that are sort of pulling out IT on from the other direction. So now the loudest aspect is actually the aspect between un ness and satan. Urn ness is at nine degrees is going retrograde.

Sdn is at six degrees vegetarian. So we have a urn satan opposition. Saturn has more power. Satan has more strange to be like, what's go going on here.

but need to stop .

hearing .

everything.

Yes, more determining, more .

determining with facts.

Also, at on this a day, the moon was in sagt arias as well. So the moon and saturn were working together .

to be like, cut IT. Really .

interesting.

The well, so yes.

I mean, it's definitely things are very in a short amount of time. The guy is really different. wow.

And IT makes and IT just when you look at the events, IT just makes so much things first like sense, the building and then I just kind slowly dissident feel like it's suddenly, slowly.

That's exactly what happened. I mean, if you were to show me these charts with no sort of events associated, I would be like, wow.

what working .

up towards and then I would see .

the drop out IT slowly. And yeah.

things fine now. But what was going on there? What little one in the middle made .

IT out of that? And then the next thing in this kind of goes back to our governor fips, her friend, governor fips over there, who apparent was there was forcing in the sky, right him governor on october twenty nine sixty ninety two that when he after the court stop convenient um he ordered a stop to any more arrests in the trial for which craft he didn't want anyone else arrested for IT and he later would in in the following year he later pardoned everybody remaining in jail so he did do his part to make sure everybody was little out yeah just about six months .

after yeah he stopped but october twenty nine sixty .

ninety two is when he stopped the arrests so no about no more witchcraft arrest where happen it's interesting.

You know obviously we know that this state is very close to alloweth for me, you know just spritz. I think that that's really interesting because that Marks it's it's a threshold. You know, halloween, october thirty first is the halfway point between the autumn EQ ox and the winter. So stice, and it's known to be the sort of transitional time. So I just think that it's interesting that, that timing is sort of like so close to halloween that we say like this is enough.

Yes, this this is spooky in the worst, are not going to make this sookie anymore yeah um the thing that stands out to me as we get into this, you know that the fall of the year, the fall of sixteen and two, is that pluto au, the planet of transformation goes into leo. So it's not in those late degrees of cancer anymore. IT shifts into a news odic cn.

And again, as we talked about what jupiter going into geri, when a planet goes into a new sign, it's really notable. It's really big. It's really significant.

Now what's wild is that currently pluto is in the late degrees of cape corn and is sort of teetering on pluto. U going into a queries, these are the exact opposite sister signs of what was going on here. So cancer is the opposite of caper corn.

Leo is the opposite of aquarius. Pluto was going through the last degrees of cancer into the early degrees of leo during the cell. M, which trials is currently in last degrees of capital, and going into a querist. So we have this mere image of that same turning point energy ing of that same sort of thresholds.

You know, who knew this was going to be so .

topical right now? I certainly did.

in who I could have known .

wild seriously. So what that is to me and what we've been talking about as IT relates to current events and astrology is being at a in a transitional time. Well, currently, as we are in the late degrees of capricorn for pluto, we're sort of seeing like, wow, something needs to give right like we are reaching sort of a breaking point in our culture yeah and it's like hard to exactly pinpoint what IT is, but we know that it's just gotten very loud and very .

he exact and really yes.

And we're looking for something new. We're looking for a change. And that's exactly what was happening at that time. Pu du was entering leo IT was saying, this has to be a new. There has to be something new that we are expLoring society and culturally. So IT doesn't surprise me that at the same time that pluto u is moving into this new odie cine, which by the way, IT takes IT spends twenty years in a zodiac ine. So it's really you know drives a point home before leaving and and doing something new is that we're .

saying like actually maybe this .

isn't the vibe I turns .

out super you'll see a lot of the people in this just like, oh.

we missed .

that was not good yeah .

so it's interesting to see that pluto also was conjunct the south node of carma and past life. At this moment, the nodes were in leo and in aquaria. So there is this sort of reckoning that starts to happening.

Feels like by the fall, where we start to kind of have a different perspective on what we want our future to like. And maybe it's like we have the we are looking at what we had thought was going to be this utopia where we're getting rid of all the witches. And it's and then we realize that actually a half of our community E S. In jail, some of the judge .

own wives .

and children and sisters .

and deny they .

are going away. Maybe not. Yeah, I mean, they had a four year old in jail at one point. They had a four year old in jail of their mom and choose accused of witchcraft by and pattern.

by the way, in patent the worst. We hate her.

SHE gives a four year old. And they had a boring old sitting in jail for like a year. And it's like, somebody had to look at this and be like way, yeah, yeah.

Is this the community? We really want to have a community we were throwing four years old in the old salm jail. This isn't what we were going for exact. This is the utopia .

we were thinking. I was.

yes, exactly. So IT totally make sense. Speaking a ban upon them. Speaking a ban on them. This was just an interesting one to me because like, I am so focused on much I .

hate and now I hope you hate.

I have such a grade against nm. Uh, but in so in August twenty six, seventy six, so many years after there are a few years at least in pet, nam finally says, well, maybe I made all that set up. Boos, sorry. And SHE did this because he wanted to get into a church and the church was not going to let her unless he admitted all her. Since I was a pretty y vixin um I thought this was an interesting one.

I'm curious, do you know if, like what did the church at that point say the they recognize that this was all a disaster?

I think he was part of the reckoning of everybody saying that we realize that the intentions might have been pure at some points. There are what they. I they said, I think they also recognize that maybe they had a bunch of board little girls on their hands, that these little girls took IT too far and didn't know how to stop IT. So I think they were giving her the opportunity to say, will part of you for your sins but you need to, like, have a come to jesus moment and tell us that what you did was wrong and that you knew I was .

wrong and he obliged.

And SHE did SHE said, SHE did IT SHE said SHE. SHE made IT up and SHE was sorry for IT.

but IT was all too late.

Yeah.

I mean, it's interesting. So at this time, a considerable amount of time later, over ten years later, satan is now where jupiter and un ness war back then. So if you know satan has that perspective, it's now gone through half of the odic sign and saturn is IT has to do with discipline, right? And and our responsibility lie is in maturation. So it's almost like at that time, we all and you the chart of this moment was one where we had a different perspective on that. German, I craziness the .

chasm. Jm, yes, that makes sense. That does yeah because it's like, shit. Had I an I give one little in here and say you have to have a little bit of a maturation here to like at least no, I soiling. I was selfish and I think was, he was really moderated.

SHE wasn't going to get into this church if you didn't do with that too. But IT makes sense that I have to do with certain. yeah.

IT is officially vacation. Is wow persisting? I am so, so, so, so excited to go back to disney world with my man. But you know who's not invited along on vacation?

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you is IT. And speaking of my my enemy and put them, we should get take a look at at least a couple of the main accusers here what their charts are because i'm very curious about that. We in patna is um october eighteen sixty, seventy nine and he was born in demers, mass said and he was really .

like the ring leader of all of us yes.

he really kept going. SHE was the hb, yeah so so and .

um is a libra you know something that I I want to something I want to call out because is, you know IT really is very loud in these charges is twenty five degrees. There is a lot of planets at twenty five degrees, which is just know it's neither here or there, but it's just an interesting pattern to see. And was a libra twenty five degrees libra SHE was actually born um on a full moon and not just a full moon IT was a lunar eclipse.

So that really compelling to me because when we have someone born on an eclipse that we know eclipses, they're really intense. They're luny. They are high energy, right? We see that even when we experience an eclipse crosses the united states.

And suddenly it's like the day stops. Everyone's figuring out there eclipse plans where you're gonna be you, they are arresting. They capture our attention energetically astrologically. This is also the case. When you're born on an eclipse, you have a sense of drama baked into your chart.

We are just talking about the .

other yeah and there's a sort of extremism to you. Um people might see your life and be like, why is everything always so like fester famine for you? Like why is IT? Like are the stakes are so yeah, when you're born on in eclipse, and that's the case of ann wa, he was born on an eclipse.

Now SHE was also twelve years years old folks when they started. And he was he was born with jupiter in tourists. So SHE was going through her jupiter, a return at that time, wow, which happens to all of us when twelve years old, because jupiter has a twelve year orbit.

So he had this, he was born on an eclipse. You SHE was going through her jupiter, a return, a very lucky time, and believe IT or not. I mean, the way that I would interpret this is that he was really, I mean, I guess this isn't doesn't seem not surprising when I when I say IT out loud that he thought that he was doing smoothly, cool. You know, sure, he thought he was really SHE thought that he was really participating in her community .

and and he was making things happen .

SHE seeing SHE had an immense .

amount of power for a twelve year old girl. And I do think there might be, I know that this is not, we are not this. So I mean, who would like ann? right? Clearly the woman, right. But I do think it's interesting how in this puritanic ical culture where women have no power, that these Young girls had so so much power and they took.

yes.

And I also wonder if this is a by product of a really impressive um culture.

You know I definitely think that's a huge of that for sure because especially kids kids were not in this culture in pitting you know of times imperor culture IT was you didn't play, you didn't read, you didn't enjoy things. You weren't. You were not to be a kid.

I was like, like a kid, like the scene, not heard IT was like, let me not see you. Let me not hear you.

will you? You will help out your family. You do.

You're studying and that's IT. Yeah and you shut up. You are not outside playing with things. You're not middling with your friends. You are you are seen as not even a little adult like a little you know coat member. You're not really seen yeah seen as anything. You're one of the money that needs to be doing this thing to get to the goal of whatever their goal was, you know, right? And so I think seeing that, that kids who started this was very telling because it's like they weren't do anything else, what else were they doing?

They had somewhere to apply their imagination .

and fantastical amount ity. I mean, that's where the spectral evidence comes in. Some of the things that come up with, I mean, it's like like we said, you know and was the one who accused you a little dorthy you like dorcus and you the trial turn scripts the four year old, he said that like SHE came as he was like biting her and her sleep, like SHE flew in her window, was biting her and it's like that is some like fantastical, fantastic cal shit and can shit and I think they were just trying to be kids. But they like, they say in the craft, they took a to a dark .

place more than you're. You don't realize the serious repercussions that everything you are doing is going to have.

And I think when they started seeing the repercussions, IT was some of I think I was just either keep going or admit that you bullshit IT everybody .

and now your weekend yeah but it's also, I mean, it's the adult who are calling the shots. I mean, these kids are saying are are recognizing that they have basically unchecked power now and that they have the freedom to be able to participate in these spaces. And they are being taken there, validate, they're validated.

They are having the it's like they're one upping each other and like, how like wild these images and these imaginations are. And then the adult t are like very good and keep going rocking and it's like how far can you push you? yes. So as much as I recognize that it's not good to accuse an entire community of which raft and kill vm, I do think that it's obviously the adults who were responsible and the kids were just testing boundaries and also, I mean, pretty iconic for being becoming so famous as little purity and kids, yeah, no.

like that's what, that's how they were seeing IT, yeah, like where the queens of the village?

Yes, yeah. And when we were talking about IT earlier, the adults in the situation are really having the kids do their dirty work because they're after executing these people so they can take their land.

so they can get rid of the tax. The somebody know in the putnam especially are huge. You know they they were the huge accusers and especially like and put them senior especially was SHE would direct and pun um junior to do her dirty work.

But I was like that family was gaining a lot by making their kid do the dirty work for them. So you do have to get her a little bit of sympathy in that regard of like you were you were brought into this like you were just kind of raised to do this yeah SHE is sad. Yeah doing your parents bidding. Yeah like she's fill in as well.

Absolutely but we still going war thin tom sweaters.

SHE was made to be an excel, you know, like a lot of the cases we see where it's like, yeah, I feel, you know, I feel bad for the kid, but this kid happened to get a lot of people kill yeah no.

there is something, I think if we think about this carmicle too, being born on a lunar clipsed means that the nodes of destiny, fate are right next to your son and moon, which are some of the most sort of prominent placements in our charts. You know we know our son in in rising signs um so her son and moon are right directly connected to her son is connected to the north node. Her moon and areas is connected to the south node.

These are karmic destiny points. And in addition to those placements being there, he also has kiran the wounded at healer there. I mean, one could look at this and be like, yeah, IT was horrible.

What happened to her that he then had to live with the guilt of having killed all of these innocent people? But in doing so, exposed that, you know, this was not the utopia that they were trying to create. And really like, I mean, massive changes in the court system coming out of the salem, which trial.

So IT obviously is a tragedy to lose so many people to this. But IT also, perhaps there was an inevitability to IT if this was the system, something bad was gonna happen, right? And IT was someone like an who sort of brought IT to that tipping point to expose the injustice.

says so was like a byproduct, a byproduct much. yeah. Well, I think another one we can talk about.

So Betty paris and albi o Williams at the other two I think we'll touch upon because they were the additional accusers yeah they were the big I think they were the same three yeah they were definitely. So Betty paris was november twenty eight um sixteen eighty two into the born in boston, mass husein. But we don't clam her we .

do not understand a one well SHE was born during a new moon um so we have another very strong lunar energy here and in this chart he was also nine years old, right really little. Nine years old is so Young in life, but also astrologically that what was happening in her chart at that time was like not that different. What was happening from when he was born, you know, like nine years as a you don't have that many transit having taken place.

However, the transit you do have at exactly nine is you have your note opposition. So again, talking about the nodes of fate. Um SHE was born with her north node in leo, her south node aquarius. At that time IT was the opposite. So the south node was in leo and the north node was an aquarius.

So at that moment there was the turning point of, like, what is my destiny going to be? Believe IT or not, the first time we encounter our destiny is when we're nine years old and into the node. So I yeah, wow. And then I IT seems like SHE was then pluck away from this, from the hope SHE was like, sent to live with family. You what you don't want to see.

what's gonna going to get.

You don't need doing out with the end. And yeah, yeah. So it's interesting that that he sort of made her mark this little sage new moon, sage sun and moon and vegetarians going through her note. Opposition did this thing, and then we sort of removed from the scene yeah. So he didn't actually have to be involved in the .

trials beyond that ad. A big player in the town. Same meal.

Paris, yeah. And he was a reverent. So he was, I think they were like, you know what?

Maybe we shouldn't money take you. Yeah, wanted to keep his job. So you did your job, Betty.

And then Abigail is someone that we have another studium with. So abajo was born with Venus and cancer, saturn in cancer, pluto in cancer, the Sunny cancer and mercurian cancer. So I is an motion.

And as we've talked about, when we have a stelling, a concentration of energy is just as intense. It's just it's it's sort of everything is pooling in these places. So with all of this in cancer, it's like no cancer associated with the mother.

Cancer is associated with our home, with our family, with our values. So IT does not surprise me that IT was the sort of like i'm doing this for the fam. I'm doing this when .

our shared value system .

in our shared value system. And I would not be surprised if this was also coming from, you know, if this was being supported by her family. Oh yeah, I raged by her family.

but make so much that definitely does. That makes me feel kind of bad for them a little.

But I do I would .

say that we can feel bad. I mean, it's interesting because there's like a whole other take on this where it's like this, the witches, these little girls, because what is a which I mean, it's it's usually women who are trying to figure out where their power, their power. And these girls certainly figured out how to have a lot of fuck power community the most, the most truly.

So I mean, I think that having a fresh set of eyes on these little ladies is not the worst thing. But then definitely no, no remorse for the, for the boys, the orchestrators who love the trial. I mean, they no, excuse me, excess.

What are you doing? And actually that's where will go back in to these IOS. Yes, the first one I could think of was john house on being here. This guy so bad that, like his ancestor, the fano thn, added A W to his name .

to not be associated .

with that's the lower.

So it's that but as he was one of the most active judges during the trials, he was known to be super aggressive. He forced confessions in ways that would be buried seemly. Even by those standards, he was super, super religious. And so he took this whole thing even more seriously than a lot of the other ones did.

He was the one to condemn ever in George burns to death, which is very interesting that a very religious man would condemn a reverence to death um he also never showed remorse even after the trials were done, never apologized, never said that he was wrong in anything he did um he ended up dying and um at the age of seventy six he's buried in that old berrying point cemetery on charter street and film. So that's an interesting grave, which is, take a minute. It's a very chilling grave. But yeah, he's one of the worst for sure.

Well, I I would IT surprise anyone to find out that .

he is a leo. No, no.

So gian was born on August beth, making him olio son. Um he also has a moon in leo, so he was born on a new moon. And again, you know we're seeing definitely enough of these charts that have an interesting lunar signature to know that these individuals were born during these prominent lunar phases. A lot of them are and you know it's not being born on an clipsed, which is the know the most magnified version of IT, but being born on a new moon is also, you know has there's a significant sort of energy associated with that. And in the sign of leo, you know, if this is done poorly, we have a very egoi c gentlemen .

on .

our room in leo, sun in leo, mars in leo. And at the time, this would again have been conjunct at the same point as the south node in leo, which is one of those destiny points. And you know, it's sort of the dark side of destiny, right? It's the destiny to be remembered as an goal monster. In the case of john.

well.

that worked. Yeah, that's shown. And also to feel the sense of leos can be very stubborn, you know, very resolute is a fix sign. So IT believes what IT believes, and IT believes that is right.

Never apologize.

Never apologize. And IT doesn't surprise me that this there was this sort of vengeance for the reference, you know, and this sort of like, i'm not afraid to take down a religious figure because I know best show.

yes yes.

And to be bigger and higher than, you know because that is its its own sort of ego ic expression is to be like, see, you all thought that this was a piece individual, but I, as a judge and this alleged bias individual, I say there are which and I know ah faster.

faster ating don't get wrapped up the but .

the next one we have is um a lot of people know this name to cotton mother.

so did you .

not know the name? How did you not? We remember cotton wearing, too, from always.

But he was a purton minister. He studied, he actually studied another outbreak of historia. He was the good one family and boston, mass. He says, and he wrote about, and he loved to write about this stuff. And he blamed IT on the devil and he mentioned in these writings that salem was the devils .

playground is what .

he believed, which is that that is so in .

sale about that?

Sure I really how you like glad and also .

like leave us alone ah the dos don't mess with us but a lot of people think that was part of the sea that was planted into at least starts some rumbling and salem with osteria. But in the letter that he wrote to the justices, he was one of those people who said, spectral evidence is bullshit. You shouldn't use that.

You shouldn't use IT in these trials. I don't think IT should be used as like real evidence. But in that same letter, he also urged them to continue trying to suss out which is in salem. So you've saying, don't you expect your evidence? But like you're doing.

you're doing the long going.

keep going. And he was also the one who said that bringing back to revenge George burns, that poor guy, he was the one who said that, no, which would be able to say the lord's prayer perfectly. They were gna stumble on IT. They would forget that they wouldn't save the whole thing .

that's the tell .

that tell you will be if they can do that, they are not a which and you should not condemn n them to offer. George recited the lord's prayer perfectly without stumbling, without muttering anything on the gallows. Cod mother was there and he said, I guess in this .

case it's whatever he's a reference you know.

hard here so let just like go through IT and it's like what the but like what a contradiction and he actually later claimed that rever in George burns was the king of all witches. He used that phrase and basically said later, you know what spector evidence, IT was actually fine. If I was fine that they used that. And the old thing was justified to some degree, we're all fine. He he was basically a whiny little bitch, and he stood for nothing like that and stood for, he just stood for spectral and blue, and he would like.

he was the worst. Well, a few things that are really interesting. So we have another Stella here in his chart. He has an aquarium delium. So this is aquarius as the opposite sign of leo.

Um so again, we're still on those nodes which were going on at this time in the signs of leo aquaria, so he's being really activated by them. He has kiran in aquarius, urinous and aquarius, mars in aquarius, ous the sun in aquarius and mercury and aquarius. So once again, we see someone who has a lot of a lot.

It's a lot of a lot. And I would say most compelling to me is that he was going through his sudden return during this time, and he was pretty ill. He was Young.

He was and the saturn return is when we go through IT in our late twenty years and early thirties. I'm so scared. Buckle up, baby, and careful of that petro evidence, I know.

And it's when we become our own person. And it's often a very chAllenging and complicated time. And what i'm probably jumping ahead, spoiler alert, he was the sun of increase, mothers cool less .

time increase.

But I think that what's really interesting about this is that we have and we will talk about increases role within this as well.

Um we have caught in the sun trying to figure out what he stands for and what his places and what his role in this greater sort of ecosystem is so what doesn't surprise me that as he's going through his saturn return, he's like, well, a little bit of this but also dead you know my whatever works and my and now i'm gna get into sort of my intuitive read on IT for a moment looking at the chart, is that I think that he got over his head in what was happen for sure. And because he was he comes into this kind of as an academic. no.

And but then he swept up in this town. I mean, that would be an interesting biopic. C certainly he swept up in this town.

And then it's it's all happening. They're dying. These people on being are being um you know like we have people being tortured.

You it's like what I see in and he's trying to figure out is this what it's about? Like is this is this what we should be doing, what we did this, what are the limits and what are the boundaries is and I think that as people are dying, it's like, well, I have to justify this, you know, I have to make sense of this tragedy. So yeah, I mean, he's the king of witches.

That's why he can say the lord's prayer so easily as because the devil is speaking right through him and the devil is, you know, a trick star. So of course, in this case, this is an exception to the rule you, but I think that this is the chart of someone who is really trying to figure out, you know, who he is and what his places in society and how he can be the most useful in how to sort of bring these pieces together. Another thing that's interesting is that he was born during the jupiter sadden conjunction.

That's a twenty years cycle that happens every twenty years. So it's an important is the meaning. It's one of the signatures that happened during twenty twenty. The jupiter conjunction, jupiter make things bigger SATA and makes things disciplined.

So he's trying to figure out, you know, how am I going to be the this sort of voice? You know how I going to be the smart test one in the room? Yes, I think is cotton.

He's got that sure he does.

How can I be this? And it's also very aquarius. You know, like if you ever met an aquarius, you know that they also love to be right, they love to be intelligent. So IT has that sort of like, yeah, I know what i'm .

talking yeah about I know plain.

I explain .

you all think you know .

but listen to me.

Listen a cotton.

listen a cotton.

hundred percent cotton. But someone .

how you present.

got that almost one over back so close.

So the next one we have, this isn't like a huge he's a big player because he's one of the seven judges and I think what is a note about by fu gai is one his name yeah and that and he's got he's got an interesting grave in the cemetery as well um and he he was one of the study judges and he also was one of the ones who fiercely advocated to use spectral evidence, which I always think means that you are one of the worst because only like if you are allowing children to say that somebody flew a bit their needs in the middle of the night thing like something's wrong with the new little and he also condemned his own friends like he would his back on people like his friends would be like, you know me but and he like, I guess he like, I guess I didn't I when it's like like is no loyalty.

would you be surprised to find out? Well, let me ask you. I hear a lot of hearing, which we know now is the german stadium and party was a german I T see him turning on this and .

doesn't give .

us a good, good rap .

because but IT doesn't know. I think that makes sense for as we are sort of creating the architect pe for the gemini stelly um energy of this time period, right it's give me the most. And in his case he was like your, my friend, whatever. Like come on in to the to the freaky trial world and like to spill what's the tea like what you have all people are flying in inviting interesting I that I love yeah I mean, honestly, I was like the wacker the Better. And I think that that's why he was into spectral evidence, is because he liked the sort of the entertainment of IT that makes sense.

I feel that for much. I love entertainment.

So I got IT, but I was just here for the laws like he was like, same this is interesting .

right here you go on yeah please tell me more and what has you'll be interesting .

to read his entries in this giant bible because it's probably like in then yes.

this way let me tell you more .

yeah way exactly. You'll never believe this. I think that sort of like no one of the overarching um lessons around this was that actually IT turns out morality is a good thing, right? It's good when you know someone's character that actually should be considered when you are bringing them in and to .

an accusation .

it's important to understand and who someone is. But in this trial, all of that was out the window because I was really just the here saying, yeah.

people were accusing their own spouses.

right? And that was being that was being regarded that that was being taken more regard than someone's .

character yeah someone you know.

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When one of one of the worst ones I would say um it's definitely the core one family yeah they poked out a lot of people know the witch house and salem that's you know the JoNathan corwin house um he actually there was so many quote, quote which is being brought in to be examined during this time because they were now they're pick in everybody. We hear about the know the ones who died at the gallows, but there are so many who died in jail. There's so many who were put in jail and somehow got out of IT, but there's a lot of victims here. So many people are being accused that he opened up, you know, he's so friendly and loving and close, accommodating, opened up his home and said, oh, I can conduct examinations .

here so so busy like .

i'm here here and there's some like crazy stories about him in my house um and he would also undertake the examinations himself which is a .

whole different, very perfect entry.

Super energy I don't like .

IT the energy that house oh mess .

arly yeah it's a dark energy and a lot of his family was embroiled in the whole accusing process. A lot of his children were afflicted at time. So that was a whole thing um and he never apologized for his role in the trial. Sea there he was one of the ones that stood by and said, no, he was right.

What's interesting is that as we're talking about this, there's a what I am sort of noting is that as you're mentioning these different judges who never apologized, it's a lot of a fix signs. So we met the little, yeah, we met the aquarium. And here we have the scorpio, so we have another studium here with JoNathan corwin.

This one is in carpio. So we have urinous in scorpio um we have the north node d in scorpio, mercurian scorpio, the sun in scorpio and neptune in schori. O so again, uh a Stella is a lot. Now we haven't talked about scores.

Po a lot, which I think that would be surprising for a lot of people because scorpio is the zodiac cine that is so vichy and so sort of associated with the a cult and and sort of underworld things. It's signified through pluto u, which we have talked about, but scorpio has been sort of low key in the background throughout most of these charts, which is interesting. And IT does show me that again, this whole trial was more of the gi information like I want na collect the the knowledge than IT was the scorpio.

Like, like, let me get into the sort of the mysteries of IT. yeah. But in the case of JoNathan kos, start, he was about that.

He wanted to get up in there. And I don't want, i'm not type casting all scorpio s is being perverts. But IT is a little person associated with like the genitals and like the you know the private parts and sex .

and .

of this so in the context of this, yeah, this is probably someone who was being a little growth, you know, a little sexually deviant around this. And using this is an opportunity to like, you know, easier, yes. Yeah.

definitely think was the thing absolutely gross, JoNathan and family, which I think is one of the worst thing. George corwin, he was. He is an interesting birthday.

To his birthday is february twenty six, sixteen, sixty six. So he's going for triple six in there. Me, he's talking about everybody else, please check your birthday.

check your work. He was only been saying so he was only .

twenty five years old, which blows my mind at this. Like you're a baby. Like you're a baby.

shut up your life, not even at the sad turn.

doing like ruining everyone's life. He was the high sheriff during the witch trials. He was also the netho of JoNathan corwin, so that the file blood runs deep.

He was known very much. He was very aggressive. He confiscate a lot of shit from people when he arrest them. Like that was his favorite thing to do was just steal all of your shit when he arrested you was like .

a treasure hunt for him.

And he was like, there was certain, like, this was part part of the time period. Two were like, you know, they would confiscate things from you when they arrested you to pay for your jail sentence. Essentially in your trial, they could compare your land all that.

But he would do IT Willy nearly like he was known to just steal all everybody is stuff. Um he was there for a lot of the executions um bridget he was there when bridget bishop, the first one first victim was hanged and he was forced to climb a latter when he was hang he was just like a different thing. He was the one who kicked the latter out for mother nether.

Um he then left her body in a rock. Revis, after that just threw on a rock. Revis, and just as an exam, just an example um what's also interested is he left her body in that rock.

Travis at the site, and then he reported he had to write out a report for this, and he crossed out the words buried in place when he did this, which is like, sneaky. Yeah, that's because he literally intentionally was like, i'm going to leave out what I actually did. It's going to cross IT out like that .

is so shady yeah very shady yeah .

and he is infamous for being the one that torture gals corry with um weight until he was crushed death. At one point we covered this when we talked about which child's Charles story I was like days, two days of him impressed that. So at one point, the wait was so severe that his tongue cheated out of his mouths just on weight along right.

And he was George car wan who grabbed a walking stick from somebody who was watching this whole thing. Because remember, people would just watch this be pressed IT up for this old man, pressed up for two days, grab someone's walking stick and poked his tung back in a mml th with that which to me is like ruthless as fuck, like serial killer rob total. But gals, scary as we know, did not interpret, he said, fucking yle.

And he didn't do IT. And instead he cursed George corwin and all of salem, which worked. And he cursed so that we have seen.

So George car win died of a heart attack at eight, thirty five years after this, and since sixteen ninety two, salem sherif s. Have all died of heart conditions at very early ages, or suffered from heart conditions at very early ages. And IT only stopped after they moved to the share of department from the old jail.

Right, because before I was .

overlooking the yeah was like looking some, but I believe i'm not positive about that. But I just know that I was like k hill is one of the sources that is a really his book is really good about this. He mentioned he was one of the share of he mentioned that he suffer from heart issues when he was sharif.

And he's like, IT is a curse, like it's so well for real. And George corwin had taken so much stuff from people and he was arresting them that a lean was actually placed on his body when he died, that I was not really respect to his family to be buried until he, his family paid for his ship. I said, taken back at cha. So he got his in the end for sure, but he's one of the worst.

So what is all about?

So, you know, it's interesting because he well is a pies and I think that that would really surprise people because usually passes are considered to be, you know, sort of like harm less mister sensitive, emotional, intense people. But in this case, I mean, this is why you have sort of, you know, you can't you really shouldn't be stereotyping the science because there is so much dimensionality to them.

He was born with the son can jack jupiter in his chart. And we've talked about jupiter making anything bigger and more expensive and sort of like larger than life. So the sun and jupiter were in paris when he was born.

And as well remember during the salem, which trials, that tune was in pies. So IT was almost like he was Operating in his fantasy land himself. Like he sort of went with the, he went with the this masses steria and like ran with IT as part of his identity.

He was playing a role within this whole elaborate tragedy as someone as yes, exactly as sort of like the the boss, as the one who was ruthless, as the one who had no patients for wishes, you know, like he would do. He hated wishes and would do anything to make sure that they were never coming back again. And IT was also know, it's interesting that he was preside and return to me.

That also was is very compelling. Yeah, IT IT really shows that he was also trying to prove his manhood you know, when there was this heavy compensating for being so Young and having so much power and IT almost feels like it's a higher octo of how the girls or behaving at that time. You know, it's like when you're that Young and you have so much power and it's you're responsible for such brutality, it's like you have to kind of go all in yeah know what don't and you should .

committed .

to that role that he was playing. And IT was the you know, he was being sort of egged on by the hysteria a so much so that he thought he could get away with the right, like he thought he could get away with that kind of force. He thought he could get away with stealing all of these possessions. And obviously so Young that didn't realize, like actually no, you when Young from this heart condition after this course because you are so bad a curse on you now that you're not even going to be regarded, you know there's going to be a lean on your body because people .

are going to recognize that you were a ship head yes.

because IT was actually completely out of line what you do yeah so it's I mean, this is why you know it's when you have such Young people who have are responsible for acting out in these ways. It's like you're going to see often times the most fierce and evil ones are the ones who are the Youngest and also .

frontal lobe, right? A huge part of a huge definitely that is interesting. Another one that i'm i'm interested this is like just interested in this one because he's a little bit of IT an outlier samual sea.

Well, so he was a judge. He was one of the ones later publicly apologized. He even called for a day of fasting and penance to for reparation of what happened.

And he himself observed that day privately, for the rest of his life, like he was very much A, I thought I was doing what was right. I did not am so sorry. And I was literally like, key was like, I know that that wasn't right. I thought I was right at the time.

Yeah and he is in areas we haven't talked about areas yet. Um he was born on june to the north node of destiny, his son. So again, we're seeing that is an interesting signature coming up.

A lot of these nodes of fate are involved in the individuals who are associated with switch to me just really exposes like yet these are all people who have legacies now that are that are sort of surrounding this is this really um historic event and the historic series of events that took place yeah what I find really interesting in his chart is at his mercury, the planet of communication is in the sign of Prices. Again, we are talking about neptune, the planet of illusion and delusion being in Prices. So at the time of these trials, the way that he was thinking mercury, rural communication and rules our mind, the way that we process information, was being really heavily influenced by this neptunian fantasy world. So it's like, as this was going on and people were presenting all of this freaky spectral evidence, he was like, I guess, so yeah, I guess, I guess it's real.

I girls are .

and talking about people flying in through windows like or something we are again. And then after that transit had lifted after he was no longer, you know, as time went on and he had perspective and he had there was distance from what took place, you know, as the chart sort of separated and opened up as we saw. He then had more perspective to be like, wo I was under a spell yeah and I think that if I think that he would have said something quite like that that he himself was hnidy zed by what had happened yeah.

but like the real the real spell was happening in the judicial system really.

I mean, is so interesting .

because with all of these we see the story of, you know of of spells and which is and of persecution. And it's just all sort of not what they thought I was, but it's all there. Know the underbelly was being exposed, but I was not. Rebecca nurse, yeah, you know yeah. IT was then IT was themselves is .

the whole society.

He I mean, he proved IT with the like privately doing that day of reparations like because he felt so guilty and he had got for the rest of his life and he's one of the only ones he would admit that right and charge and he's the only areas it's interest as areas a fixed time.

You know IT is not as a cardinal sign.

so that's interesting that he's the one not a fix sign and he can actually admit that he was wrong.

where the fix signs could not what thing is, you know, my girl, not my girl. Let me is that but and who I think we all need a fresh perspective on, has her moon in aries and is herself a libris on which is the opposite of areas. So those cardinal placements seem to be which, you know, capper korn is a cardinal sign, seem to have some. There are the ones who are coming in with a little .

bit more remorse that .

that does make sense.

Really interesting. Maybe we should run this out by talking about a couple of the the victims that everybody probably knows like the most. Yeah, definitely. Gals, scary. Gals, scary. Got a gals. We know that he was pressed to death because he wouldn't enter a plea, because if you enter a plea, you could have your land taken away and all your belongings from George corn, essentially. So instead of allowing that to happen and leaving his family without anything, he decided not to.

He had two days of being presented of, and the only thing he responded when George crowin tried to get anything from him with more weight than he ended up dying, his curse was, damn, you share if I curse you and salem. And that's the course that seems to have gone all the way through. I think that word yeah I think so too.

But he's one that everybody knows about. He he had like he was a wealthy farmer in the town. So and he he didn't have like he wasn't super .

well like a moment I would .

say he had a reputation of being a little aggressive, little violent, little angry and he was charged with murdering his farmhand and in sixty and seventy six. So it's not like he was like, coming, yeah, i've got free at all. He had a little come up and he put on his hand he definitely did.

But he was, he was found guilty. He only got a fine for IT. A lot of people were mad about that and thought he should have done more for that.

And people think that might have played into him being accused. So he was born August sixteen, eleven in the U. K.

So we are back with a leo, back with the leo. So you we had talked about the leo as being, you know, of the ego, right? We had mentioned that with one of the, with one of the judges is that when we have this, this leo energy of this being sort of like you go, I have more, I know more, I could be higher than a whoever.

And I think that that also, you know, this is the only person in the sale in which trials who was pressed to death and this is also the only person who was like, i'm not onna play by your fucking and rule if you want to kill, you're going to do IT in other way and like going to be to do all like it's going to be a really growth en for you and all the villagers. So that's very leo changed up for me. Yeah, do IT special for me.

Mercury in leo, jupiter in leo, sun in leo. So again, that jupiter son conjunction coming up as a signature here. And a lot of these charts, which is just as larger than life energy to me you know, IT doesn't surprise me that there is in in his own way. He if if he was gna go down, he wanted to do IT on his terms yeah you know and not speaking to whether or not he was or you was a good person or was not a good person. Obviously that sounds like he was a complicated .

good family man. And IT is .

interesting that when IT came to his death and his legacy, that IT is sort of a stand out, a notable death through within this, because he wouldn't, he wanted to maintain a sense of his dignity and and for, and that was his way of doing.

And that makes a little person.

i'm doing a really icon first went on for .

centuries.

Do do you anything in this chart whatsoever that would give credence to the course?

Well, you know, the thing that I would say stands out to me, in addition to him, of course, being a leo and having that stupid or son conjunction, is that he has his north node in gemini and neurones in gami in his chart because he was significantly older. He was he in his eighties, yeah, he was a lot order. So he was going through his urinous return at that time, which happens if you live long enough.

If you get into your eighties, you go through your illness return, which happens at eighty four. And he was easy one. He was just a few shy of his exact year in his return, but he was going your urn. This return is when and because, you know, this is the planet of revolution and rebellion. So when you go through that, you really just say, like.

yeah.

I don't give any fox on anymore now i'm doing IT my way and I think that to flip this on its head right to be like you are calling me which you're killing me for this, i'm going to curse you, show you like they're something so .

and so for something .

poetic dict of powerful is of about claiming one's agency. And I personally think that anyone can put a curse on someone. No, I don't think you have to be a which to do curses. I think that it's suggest your intention and where you sort of apply IT in this case that sounds like IT was a very well warranted .

yeah time for a course a very specific yes.

well deserved .

her truly. The next one I would say we're becca nurse.

just as as my girl. Yeah.

we know over a bonner shoes. Bull loved you know they did the petitions were trying to get out of IT they got they found her not guilty but then our our girls they are afflicted girl ly see themselves on the ground in the court room and got her said to be guilty again um and actually he was feeling with the putnam family over border boundaries, which they think kind a lot to do with IT and SHE also disapproved of the appointed of Samuel paris, uh, as the new person minister so there was a lot of people that were not pleased with her that were very powerful and .

happened to be accusers. I mean, what I notice in this charge initially is that this woman was almost a hundred years old now.

And he was like a feeling too.

He was, yeah, he was born in nineteen ninety eight. So SHE was, you know, he was in her nineties, yes, and then getting wrapped up in all of this. And the energy from that, to me, is so cautionary and is so a mirror.

You know, when you have some who is that old and aling and who is so beloved IT within your community, and then you turn against this individual who is just like this helpless old woman is like, what are you are really doing here? What are polling? People love her.

SHE was pio's. SHE was like a church going woman. She's doing everything. They they wanted every said, they wanted everybody to do.

And I think that some of the things that are interesting to me in this is that he was going through her jupiter return. In fact, IT was exact. Jupiter was in her chart at in gami at six degrees. That's where the conjunction between jupiter and neuron, this happened. So to me, like, I have goose bombs because this woman was the symbol of, like, we have gone too far.

yes.

And this was IT. yeah.

A lot of people saw that. yeah.

And I think that we have those choose sort of events that took place, right? We have or that may twenty seven day is really stand out to me in terms of when things went haywire and then when rebeca nurse was accused and everything that we knew about this old ninety two year old woman was just like completely, you know, overlooked for the sake of here, say this was, and heard jupiter was right at that point of jupiter.

Irs conjunction, which defines these, which trials? This was like, the, what have you done? Like, what are you actually doing here? What do you get to go from? Because you did IT you executed rebeca like, and if you do this, then what else will you do? It's no one is safe.

My girl.

Rebecca .

Rebecca, I an I also think that like, it's interesting. You know, it's interesting that that breaking point was a ninety two year old woman. You know, it's interesting that that was sort of because not the four year old who is in jail, but like this ninety year old woman was enough for people to be like weight.

Why at least start thinking like way weight yeah this .

something is weird because how how could someone live ninety two years and be such A A loving member of our community and participate so much and be someone that we all reviewer and respect only to be a which yeah right this .

doesn't this .

doesn't make sense in .

the flip flop of the the trial like finding or not guilty and then being .

made up the really, really.

really what are we doing? What's going on? We're just giving in the tantrums.

right?

I think the last person we should focus on is somebody that probably everybody knows we were talking about this earlier. It's gonna.

It's the perfect place to end.

It's john rocker. I mean, why is he always hot in everything?

It's john rotor. You know, you love them. You want to .

do like he was I mean.

he was a wealthy farmer, right? He was a wealthy farmer, so he's got that go and he was also a very outspoken and critic of the sAiling. Which child from the jump? Um a little aggressive but he said he would he would whip or beat the afflecks girl.

He didn't do IT, but he would threaten to do IT because he was so disgusted by them. Not great. His wife, Elizabeth prockter was arrested on charges of witchcraft. That's when they turned on him. He actually knew he recognized that this is massive aria, and something's wrong.

Same time, he wrote a letter to the boston clergy asking them to intervene and move the trials to boston because he was like, it's not happening here, like salem, losing their god and minds. Bring IT to boston and bring someone, bring IT to boss, you gotta get a good logic figure. The clergy actually was like, yeah, that that seems .

to be the but .

when they answered, IT was too late.

He was already executed. So john, the hot 真好玩。 The whole trial is a libra.

libra? yes. yeah.

So, you know, and partner a libra, john doctor a libra. But also, I mean, I do think it's interesting that when we talk about the cardinal signs having the sort of interesting awareness of what's going on in this, they weren't in the mix. They weren't being as influenced by this immutable table gemini, sage, pi, an energy and or d had this sort of stuff ness that we see with the fix signs right throughout IT.

John proctor as a libra was sort of like, okay, like what is fair here? Yeah, right. Libra is the sign of the scales.

It's associated with baLance. It's associated with sort of harmony and equity. So we have this liberal sun coming in and being like weight this none of this makes sense.

This is not a fair system. This is not a fair trial like we're not doing this. We're not approaching this card. And I think that even though it's tea, that he said that he's going to whip the girls like I get where he's coming from, that he was piston. He was also showing like they don't have that much power, like stop treating them like they are treating them like they are not anything more than children sure that in the kids being wiped all the time.

so treat like kids don't treat .

them like they are the ones who of all of this insight and who indicate the fate of our community members. So in you know, saying something as sort of aggressive as that, I think that the message was like, let's get some logic back in her. Like, I like mug.

Tu, am I taking crazy people? So in the chart, it's it's an interesting chart in that we have um a lot of sort of planets, there's a lot of clusters going on. So we don't have a studium, but for instance, we have pluto u and juice ta that are connected.

We have mars and saturn that are connected. I think that there is this sort of like this recognition of, yeah, this doesn't look like someone who is not strong to me. This john prockter also played by the rules.

He was not like that. He was not a wild child, right? Not my john. But he also sought, he's daddy.

people, the room.

But he also saw someone here who, you know, he saw a system that was absolutely falling apart. He saw the collapse of his community and that I think what he was calling out, yeah, I don't think he was saying, I don't think i'm not I don't think that which is our real real like, I think that this could be legit, but the way that you all are approaching IT is nuts.

And he thought out to help to break IT. Yeah, he looked outside and was like, something took logic back into this old thing.

Yes, and not really what he was sort of was like, we have to turn this down. The rules, bring the rules back. I want rules, but I don't want these. What do rules? Because they aren't rules.

This is chaos. Yeah.

which is what I ended .

up degrading to.

exactly. Wow.

why do no wonder he's hard? So no of the things, this, this is like cannon.

You have to make hot. Yeah.

yeah. It's so fast. This was fascinating. I could do this for, like, eighteen hours. Like would you like and .

what about this worth? Yeah I mean, it's it's so interesting and I think that to to bring you back to how we started like all of these planets and all of these different placements didn't necessarily need to manifest like that. But it's interesting to have the story line and to know, you know, who these individuals were, what these events were, what, how did this all take shape, and then how does what, how did the planets support that, you know? And like, how were they leaning into .

these different .

attributes to the worst version that .

is so true?

And now with the sky looking so similar, what can we do now say .

everybody's gotten like everybody hold on tight and make good choices.

I think that it's such a cautionary tale and and continues to be a cautionary tale of mom mentality and always and what to do. And we constantly are battling this. We're constantly battling like mass cancellations of people and just like you know, all rumors and and swelling of social media.

And to me, it's like, of course, jupiter is in germania. We have to navigate the same types of conditions. Wow, it's just that we're approaching .

have .

different the town water yes, you're meeting on social media is talking someone.

but like a mass cancellation without any evidence to back IT up yeah to me feels like watching you know guys cry.

get Price yes, exact and who's sticking the .

tune back in the mouth but don't .

be discussed yes, don't be that georgine IT .

never .

be a George core and of this story never be a George court. Yeah IT maybe be someone of a gas prockter china, more for them. Together.

characters be the good parts of games and the good parts of enjoyment .

to do that.

That was on purpose. IT was.

there was, make up your own, may be your own. He coding the increase.

Mother, how about .

though this .

was so much fun? I wanted do this again with you. I was .

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