What Makes A Marxist? | Dr. Paul Kengor
2024/11/3
The Ben Shapiro Show
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Ben Shapiro：认为将卡玛拉·哈里斯贴上"马克思主义者"的标签可能不准确，并探讨了如何更准确地界定当今美国政治中的马克思主义。同时，他还指出，将所有政治观点都归结为马克思主义可能会淡化马克思主义的真正含义，并使其更容易被大众接受。他还比较了里根和特朗普的总统任期，并探讨了美国保守派如何引领国家走向一个更团结的未来。
Paul Kengor：对如何界定马克思主义者进行了深入探讨。他认为，判断一个人是否为马克思主义者，不应仅限于其是否认同经典马克思主义的经济学理论，更重要的是考察其是否遵循马克思主义的总体结构，即压迫者与被压迫者的二元对立模式。他还指出，在当今的政治语境中，这种模式可以体现在种族、性别或文化等方面。他认为，特朗普将卡玛拉·哈里斯称为马克思主义者，在一定程度上是正确的，因为卡玛拉·哈里斯的父亲是一位马克思主义者，并且卡玛拉·哈里斯的政治观点也与马克思主义的总体结构相符。但他同时也建议，在公开辩论中，应谨慎使用"马克思主义者"这一标签，以免造成误解。他进一步阐述了马克思主义的核心在于废除私有财产，并以此分析了不同程度的共产主义社会对私有财产的限制，以及马克思主义与基于压迫者与被压迫者二元对立的叙事模式之间的区别。他还指出，马克思主义是一种带有乌托邦色彩的宗教理论，其核心在于对人类本性的改造，并预言资本主义的终结将带来一个充满仁慈和慷慨的新世界。他认为，奥巴马的言论中仍然存在一些马克思主义的思维模式，而早期的激进左翼人士在向工人阶级宣传马克思主义时，遭到了强烈的抵制。他还分析了民主党在种族主义叙事模式失效后，转向基于阶级和性别的马克思主义策略。
Ben Shapiro: He questions the fairness of labeling Kamala Harris a Marxist and explores how to define Marxism more accurately in contemporary American politics. He also points out that broadly applying the label of Marxism to all political viewpoints may dilute the true meaning of Marxism and make it more palatable to the masses. He compares the presidencies of Reagan and Trump and discusses how American conservatives can lead the way toward a less divisive future.
Paul Kengor: He delves into defining what constitutes a Marxist. He argues that determining whether someone is a Marxist shouldn't be limited to whether they adhere to classic Marxist economic theories, but rather whether they follow the overall structure of Marxism, which is the binary opposition of oppressor and oppressed. He notes that in today's political context, this can manifest in race, gender, or cultural aspects. He suggests that Trump's labeling of Kamala Harris as a Marxist is partially correct, given her father's Marxist background and her political views aligning with the overall structure of Marxism. However, he advises caution in using the label "Marxist" in public debates to avoid misunderstandings. He further explains that the core of Marxism lies in abolishing private property, using this to analyze the varying degrees of communist societies' restrictions on private property, and the difference between Marxism and narratives based on the binary opposition of oppressor and oppressed. He also points out that Marxism is a utopian religious theory at its core, focused on transforming human nature and predicting that the end of capitalism will bring a new world of benevolence and generosity. He believes that some Marxist mental architecture remains in Obama's rhetoric, and that early radical leftists faced strong resistance when preaching Marxism to the working class. He also analyzes how the Democratic party, after the failure of its race-based narrative, has shifted to class and gender-based Marxist strategies.
Deep Dive
Ben Shapiro y el Dr. Paul Kengor debaten si es justo que el presidente Trump llame marxista a Kamala Harris. Analizan las complejidades de la ideología marxista y cómo se aplica al panorama político actual. También discuten cómo el uso excesivo del término "marxista" puede diluir su significado y dificultar la identificación de los verdaderos marxistas.
- Kamala Harris puede no ser una marxista en el sentido clásico, pero se adhiere a la superestructura marxista general de oprimidos contra opresores.
- El uso excesivo del término "marxista" diluye su significado.
- Es importante defender y explicar la etiqueta "marxista" cuando se usa en un debate nacional.
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