Trump 2.0: A Cabinet Full of Surprises and an Awkward Visit With Joe Biden
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more from new york times. I'm Michael borrow. This is the daily. Today, in his first week as president alec, we begin tony with breaking .

news and a lot of IT. The appointments are coming pretty fast and pretty.

Donald truck moved at break next speed to fill out his cabinet with a set of loyalists who were both conventional.

We have just learned that the present electro trump is officially naming now florida and or mark of ruba, his secretary of state.

and deeply unconventional .

matt gates as attorney general. That will knock you right off your feet.

the united states senate. Jose, a leader who could .

complicate trust agenda. We there was some .

acrimony between trump and thon over the years. The hatch was .

buried and president biden welcomed trump to the White house.

The reason that this scene is so striking is because there is no actual warmth between those two men. I gathered .

three of my colleagues to make sense of IT all, Julie Davis, Peter Baker and Maggie haberman.

It's thursday, november fourteen.

Friends, welcome to the first post election daily round table, which we are taping around two forty five pm on wednesday. We always disclose that in case something happens during or after our tapping that significant that we don't cover here IT turns out there is enough news post campaign to married to return to the glorious format.

In fact, there's so much news happening that we did this very last minute, which explains why none of us are in the same room, which is the idea of a around table and you're all spread out across, uh, I believe, the city of washington, D. C. In different tiny rooms with phones. Hold up your face. Maggie, Julie, Peter, thank you for making time for us.

happiness.

Thanks for happiness.

I think we have to start with the blizzard of appointment ments that present electrical p has made over the past few days, seemingly an appointment every hour. And just the beginning with the piece of IT crack me from wrong is unusually fast. I went back and checked the clips.

Many of you wrote the stories from four years ago. Biden was elected, and IT took him about a week or so to make his first appointment chief of staff. He feels like trump has filled half his cabinet in that same week long periods, right?

I don't know about half, but he's filled certainly the a number of the top roles. And it's not just faster than what biden did. It's faster than what trump ed IT the first thing around trump p announced his chief of staff along with a his SHE strategist devan in on november thirteenth, which was five days after election day.

This was two days after election day that he announced his chief of staff. He has announced picks for secretary of defense for dh s. The list goes on none.

But that's A A huge number of major appointments. Felt very fast. What's the rush, Peter?

Well, clearly he doesn't want to sit on his Laural here. He he's eager to get going. He knows what he's doing this time in a way he didn't know eight years ago, right? He's thought a lot about who around him he trusts.

Last time he had to be introduced to a lot of republicans he didn't know. And then think about how they fit in a government we had never served in. So he has the advances, in effect of of doing this from scratch in a way that, Frankly, no second term presents ever done. Most second term presents are in the office, is not having a whole new government started from scratch in effect after election the way this one has. But he has the advantage of the having had four years of experience in that way.

But we can cover all these appointments. Ts, there are simply too many of them. So we're going to focus on just a few that really begin to tell us about trumps priorities in the second presidency and his approach to governing. So I want to begin with two people whose portfolio will be heavily focused on immigration, Stephen Miller and tom home and july. You know a lot about Stephen Miller because you covered immigration heavily during the first presidency.

right? And Stephen Miller was really sort of the architect of a lot of the immigration policies and really the whole sort of language vision for immigration that trump brought not only during the campaign, but in the very beginning of his first term of his presidency.

When, you know, Miller LED a very sort of aggressive, all encompass effort to try to get a bunch of executive orders and a bunch of policy on the track before trump came into office. We all remember the muslim ban. There were executive orders that had to do with sanctuary cities and cracking down in various ways.

And then, of course, starting the initial stages of this build the wall plan that never actually reached fruition. But he really made in his business to figure out ways to pull the levers that trump would need to pull in order to massively changed the way immigration happens in this country. And what we thought the beginning of his first term was he ran into a lot of obstacles.

And I was very clear, very quickly that some of the stuff just couldn't happen in the way that Miller was trying to make that happen. And the trump wanted to see, but he has all of that experience under his belt from the first term. And I think we could expect that to be, you know, very much as portfolio. Again, he's learned a lot of lessons about how government works and how you would go about in those things.

Peter Miller job in the first term was senior advisor to the president. Now he's got a big promotion, right? Deputy White house chief of staff. So given what Juliana said, should we expect that everything you just said is going to basically be on steroid?

Well, yeah, I mean, again, what they can do, first of all, is click back on a lot of the things the joe biden clicked off, right? They they went through four years worth of crafting orders and crafting policies that took some time to figure out, took time to lawyer to come, time to you understand how the bureaux I work and course to abiden comes in. I didn't change all of them, but he didn't change a lot of them.

And they have the advantage. Now, on january twenty years of being much more ready to do what they want to do, the muslim ban, that Juliana's reference was such a disaster the first time round, because they had no clue what they were doing. Lawyers are talking to each other, but they weren't talking to the justice department, which Normally that these kinds of things, they suddenly didn't ask to go to do IT at the penguin because he'd liked the symbolism of IT.

But they were literally still crafting and editing this order as they were driving in the modica e over to the pentagon at the last second. Know one of his eyes actually is handwriting adjustments to the order he's going to sign by pen on the order before he puts his his signature on this. So this is not a hopefully for their point of you, hopefully is not going to be as chaotic, is that they have a Better sense of how to do at this time, but will see obviously know chaos does tend to follow trump whether he goes, but they have the advantage of that four years experience.

Now let's talk about tom home. And and I think the best way to inro's ce our listeners to him ah he is going to be trumps orders are is to play a piece of tape from an appearance cy made last year at the conservative political action committees annual meeting just outside washington where he talked about his zero tolerance policy, which he created with Stephen Miller in the first trump presidency. And in particular, he had just been asked about child separation, which was a component of the zero tons. Polite, this is what he said.

I work up every day pissed off because this administration he started and more secure in a lifetime and and i'm second tired here in about the family separation and I still being suit that so can give me I don't give a shit .

right by online is.

We enforce the law.

Maggie, what do we make of this kind of rhetoric? That was during campaign where he wanted trump to become president and his critical bidens policies. That retaliation is now the man whose overseeing the border and defending transporation, which a federal judge struck down during trump's presidency, as illegal. He's saying, I have no problems with IT jolies .

point about seven Millers role, I think, is the right one, Michael. He is running all of this. He will work very closely with tom homan.

Homan is a hardliner. He is very clear about this. He was very pro family separation as a policy.

He pushed IT for years before a damp d trump was in office and then once he was in office. So that is a very effective deterrent. Donal trump moved off of that after negative press. And Frankly, negative press coverage may still be one of the few guard rails that Donald mp is responsive to. I think that that could stay the same in the White house, but homing is moving very quickly. He talked about the fox news earlier this week that they are going to go after sanctuary cities to try to have an impact there, such as new york, which has faced a big influx of migrants in which mary eric atoms has been very vocal about, and much more on the side of Donald d. Trump and president biden.

surprisingly, is over a democrats, correct?

But I think that you will see there are number of democrats who in in major cities in blue states who are concerned about this. And so I think that you are going to see home.

And maybe he won't be quite so colorful as he was in that speech, but I think that you are going to see him lean in to what he plans to do because the feeling in the incoming trump administration is unlike twenty sixteen, where he certainly campaign on a ban on muslims entering the country. The mass deportations came pretty late as a concept in that campaign. He talked Better border wall, mostly this campaign.

He has been talking about the largest master deportation Operation in U. S. History for over a year. And he won a popular vote, and he won the electoral college. And so they believe that they are going in with a majority of people voting for a this vision that trump has articulated in home in is going to talk about that and try to implement IT as aggressively as possible.

But I also think it's really important to point out that a lot of this truck understood this very well. His first, her Miller, certainly does home and is a perfect example of IT. A lot of this is about messaging.

And human is a former cop. He is a person who likes to talk about enforcement and getting tough. And he looks tough and he talks really tough as as your clip is demonstrated.

And I think one of the reasons you're seeing trump named him and Miller early on is because he wants to send the message that this is going to be a different approach. This is going to be aggressive and a cracked down. And they want to lean really far into that because the implementation is probably going to be very difficult and there are probably going to be a lot of obstacles they run into. But trump is very focused on sending this message right after bad that this is what he's doing, and he's not shy about IT.

The two appointments were talking about here were expected more or less. One of the next appointment I want to focus on really caught a lot of people off card. Everyone, perhaps accept you. I always seem to know what happening inside trump, and that was trumps choice to leave the department of defense. This one, Maggie europe in the pages of the times, was quite outside the norm.

So pete heggs, eff, the expected nominee for secretary of defense, is a Donald trump favorite. He is a fox and friends figure. He is a fox.

He's personality. He is also somebody who has served in war, and that is part of his appeal to trump. It's worth noting two things about Peter self. He is somebody who truly want to do a point for veterans affairs in twenty eighteen. And there was a lot of blow back to that.

And I didn't end up happening because trump was following a more conventional approach to some of his nominations in his first term, even though some of them were previously pretty controversial, p teg said, is something that I think would be hard to imagine for secretary of defense back then. Now it's it's in keeping with a lot of what trump has done and talked about. Egg set is most notable for advocating on behalf of edible allegory in A B, C, O, who was accused of war crimes and was convicted opposing with the corpse of a suspected ISIS fighter. And gallagher, in pete, texas argument should not lose any military status. And trump sided with heg ef and sided with gallagher and did not think he should lose any military status.

We actually episode this. Trump ultimately intervened on galaxies behind, despite what the military saw as gallagher. Abhorrent conduct correct.

and trust intervention was very upsetting two military leadership. But trump likes people who he sees as tough, and he sees as willing to be tough in their defense of the united states. And I am not saying that you that a good thing or a bad thing. I'm saying that is how done na review the world and that is a lot of what appeals to him about pete gg eh but Peter.

I i've always understood the secret defense role as being drawn from current or former senior military leadership folks with me to career at a rising through the ranks and ending up with stars on their shoulders in the highest drinks of one of the branches and in choosing a fox new's personality who's outside the military and who was never in those highly senior ranks of the military in his career, I think we have to assume is deliberately disrupting that model, bucking IT consciously and saying something.

What is he saying exactly? Yeah, I think, I mean, most of the been vilified when they have been drawn from the ranks. They were, of course, you say highly ranked people like jim matters or IT people have been forced, our generals and the civilians that have been this accurate defense over the last seventy years since.

So since they know the position was created after all or two, we're highly thought of defense thinkers or or political leaders, senators. So for people had pre substantial experience in government or the nal secretary area, clearly, this is a break from that and clearly know, as Maggie says, he goes to a trumpy xia on television personality. He likes people who defend them on television, likes people who buck the conventional wisdom, as he did with the other gallery or case.

But it's really important because you've also heard the foreign sight, the president like talked in the campaign about using the military in ways that traditionally the military has has not been used before, which is to say as more of a political tool, right? He wanted to send the military into the streets during the George fluid protests to stop violent riots. And his military leadership and civilian defense leery at the time resistance and said, notice is not appropriate.

He doesn't want those kind of people around next time. Member, in days after twenty twenty election, he had Michael flin in the overall office saying, maybe think about some version of martial law, which you send the military to cease election machines and ran elections in states you lost until you in also something that the current and past military leadership would have resisted. So in picking pee ex A, I think the worry for a lot of people is he's picking somebody who's plant. And we will do things that traditionally have been way outside the boundary of a non pars and political military .

maggy is heggs ef, a yes man who happens to oversee two million soldiers? I think they don't.

Trump is absolutely picking heggs seth, along with most of the people that he is picking for defense or national security roles, on the assumption and belief that accept this initiative he wants and that access views a line with his what that means, Michael, we don't know. Does that mean that he is going to alive with trust priorities, visited troops, U. S. Troops in europe. Uh, or is this going to be about using the military for domestic laender cement purposes? And I think we are going to know in in due time what that looks like.

Okay, and we're going to get to the senate in the second half this conversation. But is this appointment going to be the one that a united states senate might look a san set and say, this is a bridge true far? The military needs to be run by somebody who sees their fidelity is less bound up in the president. I think it's notable .

that people haven't been putting out statement saying this is a great pic. Let's go ahead and confirm this person as soon as possible. Obviously, very early in the process, they may snap to you and embrace him. But if there is one person who's been and not so far, who could be a problem, it's certainly him .

to rap up the conversation about trust appointments. I want to talk about his foreign policy appointments. We understand truth, might make senator worker ruba his secretary of state. But that's not special.

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I never mark. Rovio became official, and tulsa gabbert, the former democrats congresswoman, was named for the office of director of national intelligence.

This is the sound of me tossing out a digital script. But, but let. So let's talk about rubio. I thought that we could not talk about ruby because he was an official.

If he's official, let's talk about the fact that senator marco rubio ha florida, a once forceful opponent of vandal trump who has turned themselves into an ally, a might be the leading diplomat in a second trump presidency. Peter rubio once stood for a robust american foreign, and I covered them. I was on the campaign a with him in two thousand sixteen when he articulated that vision IT is not amErica first.

When he articulated IT wasn't nationalist. He's somebody who has spoken out forceful ly in favor of american military aid to ukraine. If he become downtown ump secretary of state, those will not be his positions to can turn them significantly to trump or will he know that yes.

the marko rubio uncovered in two thousand sixteen is not the mark rubio who's just gotten in this nomination. He's a very different character at this point. He has, over the last eight years, adjusted his positions on foreign policy to move away from this sort of more new conservative, or john part of republican party to the trump part.

And he is now he voted against ukraine a last time around. He hasn't fact expressed more support for the idea of amErica first. Look at things now.

He is a hard line voice on like, say, iran, which is in keeping with president electron. And on china, which again, I think is listen, keeping with people around president electron p. So mark bo will not be as much of an outlier as we would have fought right when he was an independent candidate running against trump.

But he also passes for what you know, he is what passes these days for establishment republican inside this cabin. For a lot of mainstream, traditional republicans, they're kind of glad to see marco rubio. And they are not because they think he agrees with them anymore necessarily, but because at least he at one time agreed with them.

And maybe a more conventional republican viewpoint then say A P, X, separate. So I think that there is some relief in that part of the party is probably why there some of the mega world was resisting rubio appointment in the first place. So everything is has changed since twenty sixteen in a way that is not comparable really.

okay. A final question on these appointments before we're going to break what uni, tes all of them in your minds because they are actually somewhat diverse in their own way well.

fidelity to down .

from yeah I mean, I think loyalty that said.

especially if you compare to the twenty seventeen cabinet, right, the original cabinet he put in include a lot of people. We didn't know a lot of people who were going in the government, not necessarily because they thought trump was great, but because they were actually opening to protect know the last days, the government policy, what have you from present that they didn't necessarily trust you're not seeing that this time.

Okay, we will be right back.

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slash the daily now back um I want to turn Maggie, Peter, Julie to what we expect translation ship to be like with a republican controlled congress were still waiting on a call unless Maggie, the news broke during this conversation as well of who controls the house of representative. I think we don't know that just yet. It's quite likely we republicans up on the hill today just a few hours ago, trump, through his weight behind the current house speaker, my Johnson, the very conservative republican, my Johnson, to be reelected speaker. But the real battle was over in the senate, where there was a fight over who would lead that chAmber and how loyal they would be to trump, which, of course, we have a huge bearing on his ability, get things done in that chAmber, which tells a little bit about that battle who prevailed and if they are, in fact, a trip loyalist.

So the senator, john soon, south dakota, won that race to succeed mission marcano, who has been the longest serving senate leader, review their party. And that was the first time that republicans had chosen a new leader in seventeen years so um big moment for them um but IT wasn't really much of a turning of the page. He was marcones as mcneil's number two right now.

He is an establishment republican. He is clashed with trump in the past. Trump was very angry that he did not support the effort in twenty twenty one to overturn the twenty twenty election results.

He was one of a handful of republican hold outs for that effort. And truth did not appreciate that he only narrowe beat out john corny, another establishment republic against and or from texas. He's been in the senate a long time as well and also didn't think much of john corny initially because, again, he's an institutional list.

He is not seen as a maga person. He didn't see him as particularly loyal. The third candidate was rick Scott, republican senator from florida.

He's in his first term the least experiences of a lot. And he really styled himself in this race as the trump candidate. Elan must came out very supportive of him, said he was the person to vote for if you were for trump.

There was a big grass roots effort on the hard rate to try to get republican senators to drop their commitments to soon in corny and to go with Scott instead because he was the maga guy Scott ded up with thirteen votes and um he IT was not a lot. But the really important thing to keep in mind about this election is that IT was by a secret ballot. So if we think that this is people .

were allowed to oppose the moga candidate because .

IT was a closed door meeting in the old senate chAmber by a secret ballot, the old fashion way, you could go up against the maga candidate and vote against him without repercussion. So while it's notable, and I think important to understand that this is who we have in the senate republican conference, a bunch of people who would rather have the more experience, seasoned establishment guy at the home, it's also important not to over read IT because this is not going to be a group of republicans who are going to be in the mood to put their thumbs in thumps eye when IT comes to public questions of .

policy or personnel. So we should not, perhaps Peter, see this as evidence that the senate leadership will be a check on trump s because IT certainly looks like soon, just by his history in his politics, could put up a fight to trump on some of the perhaps more out of the norm nominees or pieces of legislation that are very, very hard, right? Something like mass deportation legislation.

Yeah, I think that is, write about this. I mean, these guys are willing to be courageous when their names aren't public about IT, right? And they're not necessarily going to be standing up to him when he will be known. Now IT does suggest that three quarters of the senate republican caucus is not naturally aligned with trump on all things, right? You know, unlike the house republicans, which have become increasingly trumpy, the same problem has always been more independent.

In mind you, a lot of these people won't be running again until after trump is is out of the office, assume he stepped down in four years, and they see a future beyond him because they have six year terms. And so, you know, they may be looking at waiting him out, but do not necessarily going to take him on on either. But the real question is, do they protect their prood atis as the senate, as trump talks about having recess appointments? That's the kind of thing a senate, Normally, regardless of party, wouldn't stand up for because they are a coequal branch of government. What he's telling him is you need to be much more subservient to my wishes at this point.

Can you just explain that? And you I want you to way in on this. Trump has asked the senate for what Peter subscribed as real appointment.

Those are basically appointments that would occur outside of the Normal senate being in session. Basically, it's asking the senate to abdicate his role in the constitute as the place that confirms presidential nominations. I was looking at social media before this began, and john soon, the new republican majority leader, was asked about redirecting pointless. And he said he was open to them, which suggests that he's bending to the presidents will pretty much within the first hour of his time as majority later.

Well, he said that also in the days before the election, all three candidates, very quickly, in using various words, essentially said, listen, we're gonna get his people confirmed as quickly as possible. And zone, in his statement, said, and that includes being open to reset appointment. I think it's important to note that the emphasis was we're gona get his person now confirmed not on will go on recess any time the president access to where a scot was much more willingly ready to say yes, we're on board with that will do what he wants. But IT is, you know, in a lot of ways, IT is the fundamental role of the senate. And if IT does come to a situation where there are a bunch of nominees that can't get confirmed, that have become clear that they can't get confirmed, that the senators and and done takes the chAmber out of session for a prolonged ged period of time to allow trump to essentially go around them, that would be extraordinary. And while he certainly has ruled IT out, I wouldn't read what he said today as saying he is ready to do that tomorrow.

Maggie, does the president elect the senate as blind, and is he planning accordingly?

The president also sees the senate as Better for him than IT was the last time that he was in office. The last time he was in office, mitra o was the majority leader, and Michael cao had enormous amount sway over the senate. Republicans and mitch by condo and Donald trump were not friends and they were not like minds.

And I do think that you are certainly going to see a majority later who is more favorable to trump and more willing to do things that trump demands directly. But that does not mean that there are not going to be some senators who break away for their own purposes on are specifically uncertain appointments. And we'll see what this looks like.

So finally, trump himself returned to washington, and most specifically, to the White house today, triumphantly, and he ends up in a meeting in the White house. I think we should just pause to reflect on how absolutely strange that encounter must have been, given what happened four years ago. right? Peter?

Yeah, yeah. Look, the first of all in history, ally, these meetings of an outgoing president and an incoming presidents, often quite frosty, because they're often from people from different parties who have just campaign either against you to the directly or against their party.

I, you know, you go back and find hover and F D R isn't how and true and so forth, but this is erratically different, I think because in this case, trump t did not extend buying the same cursy four years ago. In fact, quite the opposite was insisting he was still going to be the president into the new term and didn't even show up for the inauguration. Yan is trying to say, well, i'm going to follow the protocols.

I'm going to follow tradition. I'm going to show the way it's supposed to be done, even if IT kills me. If you watch the tape of them having this meeting new day, IT looked like IT was about to kill him.

I mean, was certainly not, I think, happy to have shop there. But he was polite, and trump was polite back. Neither them said anything nice about each other, but they were certainly, you know, civil.

Or can we play the audio for just a moment? Because I think it's worth upbringing IT to life.

It's only about forty three seconds. Police present, like, and former, present and down. congratulation.

And looking forward to having a, like we said, foot transition so we can make sure company with me and to K. Thank thank you very much. And politics is tough and it's many cases not a very nice world.

But IT is a nice world today. And I appreciate very much a transition that's so smooth they'll be as smoothly as you can get. And I very much appreciate does .

anyone care to translate what's actually being said here because that through the polite tis there's a lock going on Maggie um I do want to .

interpret Michael is for one second because we have more breaking news, which is the president election mps announced that congressman matt gates from florida is going to be his nominee for a tourney on wow.

This is getting a bit precarious for them. They are only on track to hold the house by about four or five seats.

Maybe at the should we point out that mcgahee has some serious ethical I was investigated .

by the department.

They're about to put him under. He he's been accused of r so as the president nominated him, um he has he has denied allegations against him, just to be clear. But yes, he has faced some chAllenges in terms of magazine. I don't quite know what this looks like in terms of the confirmation hearing.

but this will be potentially another test. I I mean, I wish we could go back in time and make that news happen earlier in our conversation because I know you can't change time. I direction .

the area goes.

that is, that is, I think that to become its own, a separate conversation and so on, separate episode. Attorney general mcgain, if that happens. But just to conclude remarkable exchange between biden and trump, I heard trump doing something I don't Normally identify with him.

Peter, please tell me if you think i'm wrong here when he said, thank you very much. Politics is tough. It's not a nice, but it's a nice world today. Is that the closest thing to an olive branch that he may ever extend to joe biden?

Yeah I mean, exactly. I think with these two men each other, right? And for years that trump was not fit to be president, that he was a threat to democracy, that he was dangerous. He said many other things, of course.

Trump, of course, has said many the same things about by and and by the way, promised to appoint a special council to investigate biden and the whole, quote, biden crime family, including his son, once he gets an office. As whether you follow through or not, we don't know, but certainly there is no love lost between these two. And they goes beyond just Normal political disagreement.

This is obama bomba y this is an even bush gore, which was probably pretty pretense as well. But this is something very visual. So yeah, but trump there is trying to say it's not so nice. I'm, you know, I had to be not nice because that's the way IT is. But today is nice and we'll see how long nice lasts.

I was in the oval in twenty sixteen when he went to meet with obama after that Victory, which was quite obviously very different circumstances, unexpected in all the rest. But I won in the room today. IT seemed like a similar vibe because he was sitting next to obama, who he had accused of not being eligible to be president after, you know, all of the things that he had said about him during that campaign. And IT was this very fleeting moment of we can all sit down together and be civil, which we all know what that was followed .

by so um is a final note and zing all of this which I intended to do in my school as a political journalist. But in bid's conduct I think we also saw something really interesting, which was a man kind of willing the last answers of Normal sea that he promised he was going to bring to the presidency out of the presidency in his winning days. He clearly doesn't, oh, trump, this trump ever gave IT to him. Trump denied the legitimacy of his term, but he was sitting there almost kind of forcing Normal see back into the system. I think .

exactly right. I think a very good way to put IT. He is determined not to let prop change him that is bad, and then change the presentation y outside of his own term office. No, just because trump did IT this way doesn't an i'm going to follow suit and that tradition and protocol and civility and decency still matter and he's going to follow those guidelines again, no matter how much should may pain him.

I don't think either one of them walked away from that meeting, i'm guessing saying, god, you're really like the other guy more than I thought I would but they went through that show that and I think it's know traditionally done in amErica as an important statement of unity following a divisive campaign. The question here, course, is whether or not trump then follow suit at the same time. You know, I think that he's got so many things on his plate. Policy wise, you could argue and I think some people around and arguing him, let's not spend our time on the retribution you promise is let's focus on the deportations and and the terrorists s and all the other really important and in difficult policy initials he's outline, we'll see where that. But I think history is given us a pretty good map.

I I don't think that anyone would be surprised to know that Donald generally views the world sort of in walking casino terms, which is heads he wins and tells you lose. And so if joe biden is in hearing to enormous, because joe biden believes in those norms and trump believes in these things, if they work for him and if they don't work for him, then he's going to book against them. And as we have seen our country discovered after the twenty sixteen election, how much of our system is based on norms and not laws. And that is going to be shown again in the coming months.

Well, I want to end this conversation now so that there are no more pieces of news, no more announcements that occurred during this conversation. Peter, Julie, Maggie, thank you all for seeking with us literally through a storm, a blizzard of news. We really appreciate mico.

Thank you, Michael.

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After our conversation, several republican senators expressed alarm at trumps choice of representative mad gates for attorney general. Asked about the appointment, senator lisa kosky of alaska said, quote, I don't think it's a serious nomination for the attorney general. Her republican colleague from maine, senator Susan Collins, said he was shocked by the choice and would have called many questions for gates during his confirmation.

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