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Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Jon Stewart. We have a fabulous show for you tonight. Christine Lagarde, president of the European Central Bank, is going to be here. We'll be talking about her new movie, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Three Sisters. By the way, speaking of Europe, let's talk about the Middle East. As you know, October 7th marks the one-year anniversary of the horrific attack against Israeli citizens, the kidnapping of hostages, many of whom have died, many of whom are still being held. Since then...

There's also been a horrific war in Gaza, which doesn't seem to have gotten us any closer to getting those hostages released. But luckily for both sides, the United States has been working tirelessly since then towards, well, I'll let our former president explain.

For weeks, I've been advocating to pause in the fighting. You know, I've been working tirelessly. Relentlessly focused. I've been working nonstop. I'm engaged in this day and night. We're working around the clock. We are closer than we've ever been. We're very close. We're close. We're close. He stopped to get ice cream once. Other than that, it was all ceasefire all the time.

Now, if you don't mind, I'm seeing what's going on over there and it's making me a little bit hungry. I think I'm going to grab myself a little something myself. I'm going to take a little... I just shot ice cream into my eye. Ice cream is, I give the president credit, very dangerous treat. I'm going to take a big bite of my ice cream cone as I find out how our ceasefire efforts are paying off. Israel launching an all-out assault on Hezbollah in Lebanon over the weekend. What? Thank you.

So worth it. Wait, we've been working tirelessly for a ceasefire in Gaza and then f***ing Lebanon? The whole point was we're going to downgrade Hamas. We're going to attack the terrorists there. We're going to get the hostages home. What did Lebanon do? No country can accept the wanton rocketing of its cities. We can't accept it either. But you've also been wanton rocketing.

What kind of rocketing are you doing in Gaza if not wanton? And by the way, that's how little criticism they face. By the way, Lebanon is also a country. What makes you think they're going to accept your rocketing or whatever other James Bond shit you've been up to? Thousands of wireless pagers simultaneously exploding across Lebanon. Exploding pagers. Ah, Lebanon expected Israel to attack from the south.

But instead, they attacked from the 1980s. What? Ooh. You know what Lebanon should do? Yeah! Well, Israel, got any quarters? By the way, quick message for our viewers who are under, let's say, 45. This is a pager. Let me just... Let me come over here. This is a pager. This is a pager. I'm gonna put it over here. Not really sure where we bought those from, so...

You see, there was a time back in the olden days when we didn't have cell phones but still wanted to buy drugs. You would ping your local neighborhood dealer on his pager. What? And then he would come over and say something like, are you going to smoke all of this yourself? And then you would say, do you want to come in? And the next thing you know, you're driving him disconnected. The point is, stay in school. But yeah,

Israel remotely exploded all of Hezbollah's pagers and walkie-talkies, which is why going forward, Hezbollah will limit its communications to the message boards on nudeafrica.com because no one will ever find out the things that you post

on nudeafrica.com under the username IamMarkRobertsonCandidateForNorthCarolinaGovernor836. No one will find out. Now we know the Americans have been working tirelessly on a ceasefire in Gaza through countless hours and all 31 Baskin Robbins flavors apparently.

But this new conflagration points to another outcome the United States has been very much trying to avoid. From day one, since October 7th, it's been one of our primary objectives to prevent the conflict from escalating, from spreading to other places. Prevent an escalation or widening or deepening of this conflict. We have been laser focused on trying to prevent that wider war since October 7th. I don't think we need a wider war in the Middle East. That's not what I'm looking for. Why would you be looking for that? You know what I'd love?

A wider war in the Middle East. Well, now that a wider war has broken out in the Middle East, this is President Biden yesterday talking about what we're going to do about it. We're going to do everything we can to keep a wider war from breaking out. Why does this war have to be before we call it a wider? Without Turkey, it's still technically in the margins. Look.

As far as I'm concerned, it's not a wide war until it includes Mongolian archers. Come on! What are we doing? And by the way, if this isn't the wider war, then what is this? It continues to be a very dangerous situation, a very difficult situation. It's a very difficult, volatile situation, and the situation could escalate at any moment. F***!

Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, so it's not a war. It's a volatile situationship of friends with bombafits, if you will. What if you really want to experience the full cognitive dissonance and language calisthenics that have to be deployed to describe the Middle East over the last, I don't know, four, five, six, ten thousand years? How we're describing what's... I give you the golden soundbite brought down from Sinai.

to explain how convoluted this has to be. - What the Israeli government is saying, and the Biden administration is in many ways subscribed to this idea, is de-escalation through escalation. - Or as that is sometimes called, that is World War II! Look at the subhead!

De-escalation through escalation. I mean, do you even hear yourself? My God, the de-escalation through escalation? That phrase is, where have I heard it? It's right out of, hold on a second. Let me see if I can find. Hold on. No, it's not in there. Hold on. Let me see if I can find. No, it's not in there. Let me see if I can find. Oh, my God.

John, that cat has wrecked havoc on your bachelor lifestyle. Although I do take issue with one of Garfield's bromides. I happen to love Mondays. It's the start and end of every work week. Though I hear Fridays are nice. But here's the worst part. The country that's providing all the bombs to the Middle East, or I guess now we have to call the bombs escalators,

seems to have no idea when these bombs are going to be used. We were not notified by the Israelis about their strike or the intended target of their strike. First, this is something we were not aware of or involved in. The United States did not know about, nor was it involved in these incidents. Oh, they're not telling you anything, huh? That reject your pager?

I mean, my God, there have to be other ways of achieving de-escalation without all this respectful exchange of missiles. Historically, that part is generally followed by years of sorrow and bloodshed. And we know there have been opportunities for de-escalation, but Netanyahu did not seem particularly interested in it. Oh, my God. I've criticized Netanyahu. What have I done? Go ahead.

The people who are criticizing the prime minister, it is shameful, it is pathetic. We should be standing shoulder to shoulder with our strongest ally in the Middle East instead of launching this criticism. They criticize them for going too far constantly and that gives Hamas comfort. Criticism of the war is shameful and it gives comfort to Hamas. You know who might be surprised to hear that? The Israelis, who are unbelievably critical

of the war and Netanyahu. What you gonna say now, mother ? Get off my back. You heard what he said. He said... Does anyone have a Google Translate on what he said? The prime minister did not look the public in the eye and tell the truth.

that he won't bring the hostages alive. It's a total failure, the Israeli government. No strategy, no vision. He is trying to do everything to prevent a deal. He don't have any intent to end this war. Netanyahu is lying as he believes. What anti-Semites the former prime minister of Israel and defense minister are?

But still, people are going to see this segment and go, all right, maybe Israel isn't perfect. But criticizing them feeds the fire. Don't you worry about anti-Semitism? And to that, I say no. I believe anti-Semitism will be fine. I got to say, not for nothing, but from what I've experienced, it's very resilient. And it's not really tied to any event or war or activity or reality. For God's sakes, Kanye thought we ruined his Adidas deal. What?

We just need orthotics, that's all. Anti-Semitism will survive this war like it survived all wars, going back to the brave Hebrews at Masada. Do you see, Rabbi? I was paying attention in Hebrews. You know what? You know what? Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the blame the Jews from the Black Death, the Spanish Inquisition to the space lasers will all go away if Israel does right and peace will reign.

And people will no longer baselessly and conveniently blame the Jews when things don't work out exactly the way they want them to. This is the most important election in the history of the United States. I'm not going to call this as a prediction, but in my opinion, the Jewish people would have a lot to do with a loss if I'm at 40%. Bitch! We come back, French money lady. Christine Lagarde will be here. Don't go away.

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Thank you so much for being here. We were just talking, last time that I saw you, you were the French Minister of Finance. Great. And then you moved on IMF. And I came back. And you came back. And then now you are the head of the ECB, which is, for context, similar to like what the Fed would be, I assume, for the United States. That's right. And...

You lowered interest rates as well. Yes, we started a little earlier in June. Okay, I didn't know it was going to go there right away. I didn't know we were going to do this right away. We only did 25. He did 50. You only did 25 basis? But then we did it again. So that's 50-50. Do you guys talk? Do you say, I'm about to do 25, and he's like, well, I'm going to do 50 two months later and make you look silly.

They don't, you don't coordinate. No, we talk to each other, but we don't coordinate. We don't. Now, is this the basis points? And we all now, there's a certain oracle nature to we wait to see what the central banks will do. And they always talk in kind of coded, mysterious language. And then they say 25 basis points. And we're like, yes, what is that? But is it now, is that the signal inflation has been defeated? Yes.

It's not quite. We are getting there. We are almost at target. What are you pointing at? My target is 2%. I want to get to 2%. What is it now? It's 2.2%.

But I want to make sure that we are at 2% and that we stay at 2%, because that's regarded as sort of stable inflation, and we look at that in the medium term. So we don't want to have one month at 2%, and then another month at 2.6%. We want it to be steady, solid. At 2%. At 2%. And we're getting very close. Who chose 2? Who was the 2-chooser? You know, interestingly enough, that was way back, and I think New Zealand was one of those that started it. And we're all following New Zealand now. Yeah.

That's what this is. New Zealand one day went, you know what would be a good number? Two. Now, I think then all central bankers around the world thought, well, 2%, because then that leaves a little wiggle room to negotiate wages increases. We're not exactly sure the statistics are perfect. So there is, you know, room to maneuver on all aspects.

accounts and 2% is something that you know goes reasonably unnoticed as long as wages progress as well. Right. Although when we say 2% we face kind of a pretty large inflationary spike. So it seems like these higher prices have a certain stickiness that the corporations have gotten accustomed to like well the supply chains are a little better and things have eased but we're not going to for a taco and people are still paying it. So why not.

But that's a big difference between the level of prices and the increase in prices. I see. So when you've had regular increases in prices, generally it doesn't move down. It stays at that level. And that's where when you talk about a level of prices. Now, why is that? Because so what caused the inflation in the first place? Do we do we have a handle on that? Yes. OK, shall we take the last big, big inflation wave that we had?

No, no, but no. OK. Yes. But as an example. OK. So what caused it? You had three components. One is you had the worst pandemic ever since the 20s. Yes. The last 20. That's right. Then you had. So a shutdown of shutdown of. Now, that would seem to be deflationary because it would seem like demand would disappear. Right.

Well, some demand disappeared and some demand stayed, particularly when people continued to receive checks in the mail. The mistake was keeping people alive. No, no, no, no, no. I get it now. I get what's happening here. All right. OK, so supply chain completely disrupted. Yes. First. Second, we had inflation.

at least in Europe, the worst war since the 40s. Still going on in Ukraine. Still going on in Ukraine. So energy, wheat. Energy, wheat, all sorts of commodity prices went down, especially given that dear Mr. Putin anticipated that and weighed on energy prices. So they weighed on energy supply so that prices started going up even before the war started. He had planned that all along. So energy prices were a big component in the inflation. So supply chain disruption. Yeah.

Energy spike. Now, that's in Europe. We did not have that to the same extent, I would assume. You had some of it, but not, yeah. Okay, keep going. Because you have energy on site in the country. We don't have any energy sources. Oh, sure. You know why? Drill, baby, drill. Did you know that's our national anthem? That's what we, we sing it before every ball game. It's something we do. All right, go ahead.

So that's two. We got two. What's the third one? I would say three. The pandemic, the war and the energy prices. So the three of them just pushed prices up in a big way and more so in Europe than in the U.S. We went up on average in the euro area. Prices went up to 10.6 percent. You never hit the double digit. Right. I would imagine certain commodities would go up.

faster than others that they don't it's not linear i wouldn't imagine no and but it has a dribbling effect so if you have oil prices going up it's going to have an impact on pretty much all other products because you find energy everywhere so give me a sense of oil prices go up how long does it take for that to insinuate itself into the supply chain system and and create that

That inflation. It moves relatively fast. So in a matter of, you know, four, six months, it's into the various prices. Where there is a lag, which is much longer, it's on wages. Wages take more time to respond to that increase in prices. And it's, you know... I don't know if you know this in America, wages have yet to respond. We're talking about from the 50s. Like, it's really... Wages don't keep up. It brings up an interesting point, so...

Since the 80s, it feels like the economy flipped over to an investment economy. That's right. Rather than a labor. Much more capital intensive. And the remuneration of capital was higher than the remuneration of labor. You're right. It's been a long time. It's not just in the last 10 years. No, it seems like the 80s were really that period of deregulation. And then it sped up there. But our tools that we use.

whether it's the Fed or, you know, quantitative easing or those kinds of things, are still working at that supply side level. In other words, like in 2008, we bailed out more on the corporate side.

rather than the people side? Well, we secured the financial system to make sure that deposits of all the customers around the world were not completely lost. So that was the key proposal. Make sure that the financial system doesn't collapse. And then you're right. There was, particularly in the last six years, five years, since 2019 when we had COVID, we tried to keep the economy afloat. We tried to avoid that business goes down. With a more demand-side stimulus. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Certainly in this country. And that's where maybe the rubber meets the road. It feels like, from what I've heard of economists... Yeah. You want to dampen demand if you want to keep inflation down. Right. But at the same time, you increase demand by putting some fiscal fuel in the system. But on the flip side, we kept people alive and in their homes. Like in 2008...

when they decided on the quantitative easing and to give sort of that 0% interest window and people were able to come in and borrow money at the corporate level. - Right, right. At all levels, households as well then? - Household. But there was a horrible recession. A ton of people lost their homes. You know, it was crushing. The lesson to me is stimulating on the demand side was a more efficient use of capital

and also had the moral bonus of covering like human needs. -The people. Yes. -Yeah, rather than... -Yes, yes, yes. So why does that seem now so controversial? It's not controversial in my books. Well, because you're human. But these guys I'm talking to, they give me a whole like, "That last trillion really screwed us for the next ten years." And I'm like, "What are you talking about?"

Well, everything has to be reasonable and sensible. You don't want to overdo it to a point where you then have to sort of withdraw and, you know, sponge the liquidities that are out there. And that's the reason why at some stage you have to stop quantitative easing and you have to also stop the fiscal stimulus and support that you've given to the economy in hard times because times are getting better. Do the central banks have mechanisms that can be more responsive on that issue?

demand side, as you said, rather than it having to filter through the system more on that supply side. - The first tool that we use is interest rates. That's the most efficient one and it's the one that has been traditionally used. - But almost certainly if you raise it, will dampen the labor market.

Yeah, yeah. And if you tighten, which is if you reduce the interest rates, if you cut, then it should stimulate the economy and it should encourage people having lower financing cost to go out, borrow, invest and buy houses and things like that. Right. That's what I wonder. Is there any school of thought that thinks, boy, we've got this thing flipped on its head?

And we would be such a more efficient and humane society if we stimulated more. Like, I'm thinking about, and you tell me if this is the wrong way of thinking about it. Trump came in, $1.7 trillion tax cut. Most of it went to rich people. Cut the corporate tax rate from, I think, 35% to 21%. So that's a 14%. That's a huge amount of money. Deregulated a lot of industries. So I would think as a package, that's trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars.

A lot of it went to stock buybacks. It doesn't trickle into wages and the labor market, but it does pop up our deficit, making us less able to withstand, I don't know, a pandemic. Because we feel like then we can't put that... You know, I'm a little bit scared when you talk about pandemic because I watched the interview that we did together in 2009. What did I say?

Well, you said at the time, because we discussed the standing of the economy, and I kind of said things are getting better. And then you closed the interview saying, unless we have a global pandemic. To the camera, I just want to address something very quickly. When she says I said that, she is not suggesting that.

All Jews gave us a good reason. What we're trying to do, if I may. And I only say that because there has been some confusion here in the United States. But exactly right. I'm wondering, as a central banker, is there a way to look at the economy? Less on the supply side. How do we get labor to benefit more efficiently from all that money? You know those things. You have two components.

Capital, labor. And you bring these together and you create value. The two have to be compensated. And for decades, capital has been better remunerated than labor. And the labor share in the value production has been reduced. Then it's a matter of give and take. So if the labor market is tight as it is now, it is for the labor to actually say, excuse me,

I think that should be remunerated as well and probably better than it has for many, many years. Right. So it's a question of... Is there a way to do it? Negotiations, discussions and persistence. Right. Is there a better way? Because it seems like for corporate subsidies, they don't have to fight so hard. Like, it seems like labor has to really fight for that seat at the table, whereas...

the larger entities don't have... I think the balance of lobbying forces is obviously skewed to one side. Right, right. In most countries of the world. So you would recommend poor people get better lobbyists. That would be... What about this? How about this?

Is there anything in corporate, like when you talk about buybacks and it's all in stock, what if workers were automatically invested in that? I mean, some companies do that. I think the tech industry does a pretty good job of that. You know, when you get hired there, you're immediately... The 401k is one way to deal with it, but it's a very small component to be a lot bigger. Right. Do you think when you forecast out, what I worry about is...

labor is kind of been on the back foot and it seems like AI is going to further erode labor's position. Is that something that you guys figure in? That is a big concern. And I think that the discussions that are taking place now actually in New York concerning the governance of AI around the world and how it should be enhancing

workers position contribution to the economy rather than replacing workers is a vital discussion to be had. Who's having that? I think it's engineered by the United Nations and there is a group of thinkers and philosophers and experts in AI who are saying watch out because if there is no global governance on that, just as we have global governance on nuclear, not perfectly complied with but at least generally respected.

At least there is. We're all still here. I'm worried about that. I happened to run into a couple of leading lights of the AI movement. And I said, globalization really hit American manufacturing and we're still feeling it. And that's something that took...

decades to really play out. It also benefited the consumers. Don't forget that. No question. When you do that, we did get much cheaper stretchy pants and everything. Yes, yes, yes. But

You know, that played out over years and there are still areas where it's decimated and haven't been back. It seems like AI will do the same thing to the more white collar movement, but it's going to do it much quicker. And I said, are you guys concerned about that? And the guy goes, and he's one of them big hitters in that. And he goes, no, we'll be good.

And I was like, oh, we're all going to die. Like, this is crazy. Will you adjust? I don't think we're going to die. But I think completely-- well, we will at some stage. No, no, no, I understand. And by the way, me before a lot of people. But we should really be concerned about AI. Because where you are totally right is that it will affect all jobs. And those sort of white-colored jobs which were not affected will be affected.

And we have to be prepared. We have to improve our skill set. We have to be able to master that tool and not be the servant and the object of that tool. Because it is fast and it's transformative. Do you know what they're telling you? It's already smarter than us. Because what they do is it takes the 10,000 sort of years of human achievement and it swallows it in like six hours. I'll tell you something. Yeah.

This morning I wanted to check the price of butter because I thought you were going to ask me, do you do your grocery shopping and did you notice that prices increase? What kind of an animal do you think I am? Christine Lagarde, how dare you? If I may say so, I know your butler does the shopping.

So I check and I check with one of those terribly smart AI engine. I say, what was the price in 2019? What was the price in 2024? I get the answer and it's totally skewed. I mean, it's cheaper now than it was in 2019. And my recollection is, uh-uh. So I tell this guy, this AI engine, I said, are you sure about your numbers? Can you check da-da-da? Comes back and says, oh, terribly sorry, we made a mistake. Yes, you're right, it's the other way around.

So that tells me one thing. We have to be alert. We have to check the facts. We have to exercise judgment. Does it tell you that? Or does it tell you that AI is so far ahead of us that the plan was, I'm going to give the head of the European Central Bank...

The wrong butter figures. Absolutely plummeting her career. She's in charge of stability of Europe. Europe is then plunged into chaos. 500 years of black death. Oh, AI has got us by the...

You must be behind that. I probably am. The final question. So we're coming onto a period, people were talking about the soft landing. It's still been rough for consumers. Do you foresee within the next, you know, because I know these things take time, 12 months, 18 months, 24 months, a better stability building into this, obviously, government without some sort of terrible catastrophe?

Yes, I should think so. Why do I say that? Because I think that the tools have improved. The analytical models and tools that we use to anticipate and to try to measure are better. And because we've learned in the last few years more than we had in decades. And the stable 2% we're getting. And we know that uncertainty is going to be with us. And we have to factor that in and make sure that we have tools to anticipate uncertainty, which is a big, big challenge. Sure. We're anticipating uncertainty here in about eight weeks. So...

I feel you. I feel you. Thank you so much for joining. It's always such a pleasure to see you. European Central Potential Bank President Christine Lagarde. We'll be right back after this. Bye for now.

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