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A Modest Manifesto, Pardons for All, and an American Cocaine Empire

2024/12/12
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Michael Kosta: 本集讨论了涉嫌谋杀 UHC 首席执行官的曼吉奥尼的宣言,该宣言出乎意料地简短,并未充分解释其动机。还讨论了特朗普任命吉尔福伊尔为希腊大使,以及皮特·赫格塞思的国防部长提名,以及拜登总统的赦免权。 Kosta 还评论了美国医疗保健系统的高成本和低预期寿命之间的矛盾,以及特朗普任命 Kimberly Guilfoyle 为希腊大使的决定,尽管她缺乏外交经验。他还讨论了 Pete Hegseth 的国防部长提名,以及围绕 Hegseth 酗酒的争议。最后,Kosta 讨论了拜登总统的赦免权,并采访了纽约市民,询问他们认为谁应该获得赦免。 Grace Kuhlenschmidt: 在纽约街头采访中,人们对拜登应该赦免谁有不同的看法,有人建议赦免福奇,也有人建议赦免或惩罚纽约市长等。受访者就拜登的赦免权发表了各自的观点,并就福奇、吉利安尼和纽约市长亚当斯等人物是否应该获得赦免展开了讨论。 T.J. English: English 讨论了他的新书《最后一公斤》,讲述了古巴流亡者 Willie Falcone 领导的贩毒集团 Los Muchachos 的故事。该集团在 70 年代开始运作,将可卡因走私到美国,并利用利润资助反卡斯特罗运动。English 详细描述了该集团的运作方式、分销网络以及与美国政府的关系。他还讨论了该集团的领导人 Willie Falcone 的生平和动机,以及该集团的兴衰。 Nora: 在法庭上观察到曼吉奥尼自信且具有挑衅性,并与记者产生眼神交流。

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What was the content of Luigi Mangione's manifesto?

Mangione's manifesto criticized the U.S. healthcare system, noting its high cost and low life expectancy ranking globally. However, he admitted his lack of space and expertise to fully articulate the issue.

Why did Trump appoint Kimberly Guilfoyle as ambassador to Greece?

Guilfoyle, a longtime Trump loyalist, was appointed as a consolation prize after her engagement to Donald Trump Jr. ended. She has no diplomatic experience but was praised for her sharp intellect.

How did Pete Hegseth's nomination for Secretary of Defense fare after reports of excessive drinking?

Despite initial concerns, Hegseth's nomination rebounded as some Republicans defended him, and he promised to abstain from drinking if confirmed. Trump supported the nomination, suggesting it could help Hegseth curb his drinking.

What did New Yorkers suggest Joe Biden should pardon next?

New Yorkers suggested pardons for various figures, including Dr. Fauci, Eric Adams, and Rudy Giuliani. Some also joked about personal pardons for crimes like arson, LimeWire piracy, and lying to partners.

What is the central theme of T.J. English's book 'The Last Kilo'?

The book chronicles the rise and fall of an American cocaine empire led by Willie Falcone and his group, Los Muchachos, who used cocaine profits to fund anti-Castro operations. It explores their rise, methods, and eventual downfall.

How did Willie Falcone's group differ from typical drug cartels in their approach?

Unlike typical cartels, Falcone's group avoided violence and focused on building relationships and networks. They were known for their innovative distribution system and ability to cut out competitors without resorting to violence.

What role did the American government play in the cocaine trade during the era English writes about?

The U.S. government indirectly supported the cocaine trade by using it as a political tool to fund anti-communist operations in Central America. They also overlooked the activities of figures like Manuel Noriega, who laundered drug money.

How did Willie Falcone and his group launder their drug money?

They used a Panamanian banker named Guillermo Endara to launder billions of dollars through bank accounts in Panama. They also used creative methods like shipping drywall pallets to hide money.

What was the impact of the crack epidemic on the cocaine trade?

The crack epidemic changed the cocaine trade from a glamorous, party-driven business to a violent, street-level enterprise. It brought more violence and criminality into the trade, tarnishing its image.

What advice does T.J. English give to aspiring writers?

English advises writers to write every day and to immerse themselves in the world outside of school to gain real-life experiences. He emphasizes the importance of diving into the deep end to become a writer.

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The episode delves into the surprisingly modest manifesto of Luigi Mangione, the alleged CEO killer. The unexpected content of the manifesto and the public's reaction are discussed, contrasting it with typical manifestos and sparking humorous commentary on the complexities of modern life.
  • Luigi Mangione's surprisingly modest manifesto is analyzed.
  • The manifesto contrasts sharply with typical manifestos of this nature.
  • The high cost of healthcare in the US versus life expectancy is mentioned.

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I'm Michael Kosta. We have so much to talk about tonight. It's happy hour at the Pentagon. Joe Biden is making a list and checking it twice. And Mangione drops a manifesto. So let's get into the headlines. Let's begin with the story. Everyone is still talking about the arrest of Luigi Mangione, alleged CEO killer and the reason conjugal visit is trending on Google. Yeah.

Everyone's been wondering what his motivation was, and now they have his manifesto. Although, for a manifesto, it's surprisingly modest. The U.S. has the number one most expensive health care system in the world, yet we rank roughly number 42 in life expectancy. Obviously, the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly, I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. Okay, okay. I don't really know what I'm talking about. It's a surprising thing to put in a manifesto.

This is the first murder manifesto I've read that could have ended with, but no worries if not. Either way, you never see the Taliban like death to America, although we're not experts, so grain of salt. Now, whether he's guilty or not will be decided by a trial, but one thing we know for certain, Mangione is making everyone Mangihorni. And really, I know you were inside that courtroom today with the suspect. How was he behaving?

Nora, it was remarkable. He walked in confident. At times, he seemed defiant. He was looking around. He kept looking back. And a couple of times, I felt like he was making eye contact. He looked at me. He saw me. We had a moment. And, Nora, I'm getting new reports just now that I can change him. Okay. Okay.

Can I just say, this is confusing as a straight man to me. I don't know what I'm supposed to do to attract women. One day it's do more work around the house. The next it's be a better listener. And now apparently it's execute the leader of a Fortune 500 company. Which one is it, ladies? Let's move on to someone who never has to go to court again in another edition of Trump 2.0 coming for the White House. I'm gonna come. Ha ha ha ha.

Look, look, there are over 20 countries in the world and the president has to appoint an ambassador to every one of them. And being an ambassador, it's a pretty sweet gig. All right. You get paid six figures to move to some mansion in another country and you can't even get arrested when you plow into a group of tourists with your motorcycle. It's basically a dream. And Trump just announced the latest lucky person to get one of these coveted positions.

President-elect Donald Trump tapping another loyalist with close family ties to fill out his administration, naming Kimberly Guilfoyle to be ambassador to Greece. Kimberly Guilfoyle, Kimberly Guilfoyle. Why does that ring a bell? Why does that hurt my ears? She has no diplomatic experience, but she's a longtime Trump loyalist, firing up the Republican National Convention during his 2020 re-election campaign. The best!

That's it. I remember. The screaming lady. It's the screaming lady.

Although I guess in Greece, that's considered normal volume, maybe? Now, you might be wondering, why is Trump appointing Kimberly Guilfoyle if she has no diplomatic experience and seemingly no ties to Greece? Well, it turns out it might be a consolation prize. In a statement, the president-elect calling her a close friend and praising her sharp intellect. But he made no mention of her four-year-long engagement to his eldest son amid tabloid rumors that Donald Trump Jr. is now dating someone new.

Wow. Wow. What a great way to end a relationship. Forget about listen. It's not you. It's me. Now we've got listen. How would you like to be the ambassador to Greece? Good for Kimberly to score this position after a breakup. Last time one of my relationships ended, I couldn't even get my Valtrex back. Now, it's okay. She needs it now, too. So, on voyage, Kimberly. Your relationship is over. But now you get to move to Greece. Or as you might say... The best!

Oh, my God. It still hurts. Still hurts. Meanwhile, things are a little rockier for a different Trump appointee, Pete Hegseth, nominee for Secretary of Defense and veteran of multiple tours with Captain Morgan. Last week, last week, his nomination looked like it was in big trouble, probably because people were worried he'd have to blow into a breathalyzer before entering the Situation Room. Let's check in on how it's going now.

After a rocky start, Pete Hegseth, President-elect Trump's intended choice to leave the Pentagon, is on the rebound. He's much better off this week than he was last week. Some Republicans, including ones like Senator Tommy Tuberville of Alabama, someone who's very close to Donald Trump, have brushed off these reports of excessive drinking. Is he a drunk? I mean, does he hang out in bars every night? Does he drink for lunch and dinner and breakfast?

Does he piss martinis and shit olives? No? Well, then give this man security clearance. I'm sorry, but he's not drunk every second of his life. It's a pretty low bar, which, by the way, is the only bar that Pete Hegseth hasn't been thrown out of. Look, you can argue what the exact definition of a drinking problem is, but I think a good barometer is, is everyone in the country talking about how much you drink?

then you probably have a drinking problem. So that's one excuse for putting Hegseth in charge of the Defense Department. But let's hear another one from Oklahoma Senator Mark Wayne Mullen. Yes, that's his name. What I'm saying is when you're talking about drinking at 10 in the morning, that's a drinking problem. Now, it doesn't mean that there should be a stigma. There's a lot of politicians that have a drinking problem, Jake.

Yes, of course. But I guess my question is... Yeah, and there's probably a lot of media that has a drinking problem, too. Yeah, yeah. A lot of people have drinking problems, but they're not trying to run the Pentagon. So, yeah, it's different. It's different. And you agree. That's why you're clapping. It's like he's saying, oh, nobody cared about my drinking before I got behind the wheel, and now all of a sudden it's a problem. Yeah, it's a problem. Yeah. Yeah.

Ultimately, it's worse if you're an alcoholic in certain jobs. Like, you don't want to have an alcoholic pilot, but a drunk Daily Show host? What's the worst that happens? I pee myself behind the desk, and I need LaToya to bring me new pants right now? LaToya, new pants? LaToya, new pants? Yes.

But even if he's confirmed, Pete seems to understand that being blackout drunk 23 hours a day might be a problem, which is why he's offering to change. He's been telling members of the Senate Republican Conference that he, if he were confirmed as Secretary of Defense, he would not drink alcohol at all. He would abstain from drinking. This is the biggest deployment of my life, and there won't be a drop of alcohol on my lips while I'm doing it. It's good enough for me.

When has an alcoholic ever promised to do better and not follow through? What a deal. Just put me in charge of the largest military in history and I'll stop drinking. By the way, jello shots don't count as drinking. That's eating. That's a solid.

And it seems like it's good enough for Donald Trump, too. The fact that there are these allegations against him, the fact that he said to some senators reportedly he'll stop drinking if he gets this job, does that worry you? No, I think that everybody has something that they can stop. Some people can stop eating. I'm lucky I'm not a drinker, but I could stop eating.

I think I speak for everyone when I say, "Sir, no you couldn't." Alright? I guess he means eating junk food. But still, there's a big difference between alcoholism and eating. No one's ever said, "Dad, you came home full again."

You know what's weird? It's almost like the revelations about Hegseth's drinking have helped him. Because now it feels like if he can just steamroll the senators on this one issue, he wins. Like the whole completely unqualified part about his resume is totally forgotten. But don't forget, if this guy quits drinking to become Secretary of Defense, his only qualification is that he quit drinking to become Secretary of Defense. But hey...

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It's time for a brand new season of Survivor. And you know what that means. It means it's also a brand new season of the only official Survivor podcast on fire. Here's our goal with this podcast. We bring you inside the how and the why of what we do on the show. And we do it from three different points of view. You have the producer in me. You have the fan in Jay, who also happens to be our executive producer in this podcast. And you have the producer in me.

And then we bring you the insight from a former player, and this season it is Survivor 46 runner-up, Charlie Davis. Welcome to the team, Charlie. Well, Jeff, I know firsthand that playing from the couch and playing on the island, completely different. So I hope you tune in every single week. We're going to dissect the strategy, the misfires and mistakes that change the game. If you want more Survivor than just 90 minutes, this is where you get it. On Fire, the only official Survivor podcast.

Listen to On Fire, the official survivor podcast, wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to The Daily Show. Last month, Joe Biden pardoned his son, Hunter, causing people to ask, Joe Biden is still president? But he is. And he still has pardon power for another month. Our own Grace Kuhlenschmidt hit the streets to ask New Yorkers who they think he should use it on next.

President Biden pardoned two turkeys named Peach and Blossom on Thanksgiving and a human man named Hunter Biden a few days later. To find out who else he might pardon before leaving office, I decided to ask my fellow friendly New Yorkers. Oops, sorry, pardon me. Pardon me, pardon me. That's my purse, that's my purse.

That's my purse. I love this city! So they're saying that Biden might pardon enemies of Trump. Can you think of anyone else who might be on Trump's enemy list? Yes, me and all of my friends. Okay, gotcha. So Dr. Fauci be pardoned for the crime of doing science? We have to pardon Fauci. He got us through a hard time. Yeah, he got me through actually a really, really bad breakup. Do you think he should pardon Eric Adams? Eric Adams, Eric Adams, Eric Adams. Who?

Who's Eric Adams? The mayor of New York City? Oh, no! Do you think that he should pardon Giuliani for going goblin mode 24/7? What's goblin mode? Well, he just kind of looks like a goblin.

I think he's really disgusting. He shouldn't be pardoned for anything. Okay, so if he committed a crime, you're president. Are you pardoning him? The crime is actually disgusting. It's heinous. Murder. A hundred people. We just had a conversation about our love is actually conditional and murder is one of the things. Oh my god. Alright, let's play f***, marry, pardon. You ready? Okay, yeah, let's do it. The QAnon trauma. Donald Trump. Eric Adams. Okay. And you can't f***

- I'll them all. - Okay. - I'd probably Eric Adams. - You could watch this, so you might have a chance. - Just 'cause he's weak and you know, you can like put your fingers on his balls and like make him squirm. - Okay, you know what? I'll marry Donald Trump, you know what? - Okay. - I think I'd live a good life. I'm gonna marry Eric Adams. - Interesting choice. - Just so that I can play mind games with him. - Love it. - Hide things, gaslight, eight teeth, you're a boss. - Being in the city of New York, I guess I'll pardon. - Sure.

- Adams. - Congratulations, you're the QAnon drama. - I forgot about that. - No you didn't. If you could get pardoned for one crime, what would it be? - Arson. - That was a really quick answer. - I like fire. - You like fire. Let's get the matches away from this guy. Have you ever done anything that you would need a pardon for?

- Marrying my first husband. - I did pirate a lot of, you know, LimeWire back in the day. - All LimeWire users should be pardoned. - Absolutely. - Do you ever, like if you're at CVS or something and you're holding a bunch of things and you forget to ring something up? - When you're doing self-checkout. To me, part of self-checkout

is maybe I am going to shoplift. Do you want to look into the pardon cam right here and ask Joe Biden to be pardoned for your LimeWire usage? Joe Biden, I'm sorry. I just really wanted that Linkin Park single. President Biden, I would like to be pardoned for the occasional

mistake of missing an item on self-checkout. - Right. She does it every single day, but she doesn't mean to. Is there anything that you've done that you think that you should get a pardon for? - I guess telling people I love them when I don't. - If you wouldn't mind looking into our pardon cam here and asking Joe Biden for a pardon for that. - Yes, Joe Biden, please pardon me for lying to men all over the world. - That's why I date women.

I'm bisexual, too. Oh, my God! I love that! This is the first time I'm admitted on camera. I guess I am growing up. Biden, I need a pardon. I outed someone on national television. Thank you, Biden. That's right. To be fair, she said it herself. That's right. But I feel as though I was the lesbian accomplice in this situation. Look, I will date you. Biden, I need another pardon. I've picked someone up on camera. Right, that's how it works. I'm an absolute player. Thank you.

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It's time for a brand new season of Survivor. And you know what that means. It means it's also a brand new season of the only official Survivor podcast on fire. Here's our goal with this podcast. We bring you inside the how and the why of what we do on the show. And we do it from three different points of view. You have the producer in me. You have the fan in Jay, who also happens to be our executive producer in this podcast. And you have the producer in me.

And then we bring you the insight from a former player, and this season it is Survivor 46 runner-up, Charlie Davis. Welcome to the team, Charlie. Well, Jeff, I know firsthand that playing from the couch and playing on the island, completely different. So I hope you tune in every single week. We're going to dissect the strategy, the misfires and mistakes that change the game. If you want more Survivor than just 90 minutes, this is where you get it. On Fire, the only official Survivor podcast. ♪

Listen to On Fire, the official Survivor podcast, wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to The Daily Show. My guest tonight is a journalist and best-selling author whose new book is called The Last Kilo. Please welcome T.J. English. T.J.! It's got it all. It's got it all. This book is so fun to read. Thanks. When I was... The first half of this book...

I said, you know what? I want to quit my job and become a cocaine smuggler. It changed. Yeah. But would that be good? By the end of the book, you had a whole different view on that, I'm sure. Yeah. I mean, should I do that? Should I? If you do it as well as they did it. Yeah. You could possibly create a whole era of cocaine that would last for 10 years. Yeah.

And you'd be very popular, and you'd be the king of the hill. -Yeah. -And then it would all come crumbling down. -Yeah, and who -- And who's they? Who do you write about so well in here? -I write about a group that was called Los Muchachos. They were led by a man named Willie Falcone, who was a Cuban exile whose family had been chased out of Cuba at the time of the Cuban Revolution. And he came to the United States.

In the 70s, he kind of was working construction, and then some members of the anti-Castro movement came to him and said, we need some young guys who will partner with us on a plan we have to bring cocaine into the United States and to sell it in the United States and use the proceeds to buy guns and explosives for the Contras in Central America. And Willie said, drugs are not my thing. Goodbye.

End of the story. He probably maybe wishes he had said that, but no, he said, I can do that. I mean, his main motivation was to get rid of Castro. I mean, that was that generation of Cubans woke up in the morning dreaming of a dead Fidel Castro. In fact, they woke up in the morning dreaming of strangling Fidel Castro to death with their own hands. But in a way, doesn't that romanticize this a little bit? I mean, it's like, it's easy for Willie Falcone to say,

"It's okay that I'm doing all this because it has a good -- I have credibility because I'm overthrowing this regime." -Yeah, yeah. -But, I mean, it grew bigger than that for him. -Yeah, I think we refer to that as a false value system. -Okay, great. -I mean, he believed in it. He believed in it. He believed in the cause. -Yeah. -And he was willing to do anything for the cause. And so when they asked him to do this, he was all for it. Now, you got to remember, in the late '70s when this started,

Cocaine was only used by the very rich in Hollywood, rock stars and some professional athletes. Nobody else could afford it. So the first thing they did was they made it affordable. They brought in so much quantity that they could lower the price and they started to sell it. And it was available at the working class level. Everyone was using it. How much cocaine did you do to research this book? Well, if you look at the cover of the book...

They showed me the cover of the book. I said, could we make the cocaine embossed? So it looks like a real line of cocaine. I think we'd sell more books that way. Right. And they probably said, sell more books and then we'll emboss it. This book has 40 pages of reference notes. So, you know, this is an entertaining read.

about cocaine smugglers and speedboat racing and sex and women and buying sheriffs to create airfields so they can fly in cocaine from Colombia. But you're telling me you actually researched this shit? Hey, man, when I started this book, I thought I knew this era. Like a lot of people, I saw the movies Scarface, Miami Vice. You know, this era existed in our culture, and I came to believe that a lot of that is...

Not untrue, but sensationalized. Sure. There's a lot of stereotypes in the presentation of the cocaine era. For instance, this group did not use violence as part of their operation. That was startling to me. I was even concerned. I was like, how do we tell a cocaine story without oozy submachine guns and chainsaws? It seems like their philosophy was you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. I mean, there's examples of people...

of people lying to them, and they actually don't use violence. If anything, they would call them in for a meeting and give them some money and say, "We should be friends," right? -Well, you know what they would do? They would cut them out of the business. And Willie and his partner, Sal Magluta, Willie and Sal and Los Muchachos -- that was the name of the organization -- were so predominant in the cocaine business, if you got cut out of their operation, you were cut out of the business. They had the best product at the best price.

And we're talking about Miami as a base, but what they were known for was their distribution system. So bringing cocaine to L.A., to San Francisco, to Chicago, to New York, they really created a system that touched off that entire era. And you sat with Willie Falcone. I sure did, yeah.

-Once? Twice? -Seven or eight times. -Wow. -And then we communicate a lot through Zoom. -Is he still doing blow a lot of times or what? -No. You know -- -I kind of wondered that. It's like, "He's doing blow. He's on speed boats. They're doing this." And then I'm like, "Then he goes to prison." I'm like, "Well, he's got to be addicted to cocaine at this point." -He was doing blow in prison, I'm sure. -Oh, wow. -That's one of the easiest places to get blow. -To do -- Yeah, you don't have to tell me, T.J., all right? -Yeah. -I've never been to prison.

So you sat with Willie a bunch. I sat with him a bunch. Yes. And I traveled to where he to the country that shall remain nameless where he is. Sure. And it wasn't easy because we're in the middle of the covid crisis. So flying in and out of the country was really difficult at the time. But it was really important. I knew I couldn't do the book unless we I could take stock of him face to face as a person.

There's kind of a funny party vibe with cocaine. It's done at the club. That's what I hear. Right? And then...

But then you say crack, and it changes quickly. Oh, man. And I wonder if Willie Falcone feels any remorse, or does he feel-- I mean, the crack epidemic, you know, it's not a laughing matter. Cocaine isn't either. But does he feel any of this? Yeah, the crack-- the emergence of crack, which they had nothing to do with, was a phenomenon that was created kind of at the street level.

It changed everything. Yeah. Up until then, you could say that the cocaine era was all parties and good times. Yeah. Crack was ugly. It was violent. Yeah. It brought it down to a street level and took all the fun out of it. Yes. All of a sudden, if you were a cocaine dealer... God damn it, crack. Yeah. All of a sudden, you had blood on your hands. Yeah. If you were a cocaine dealer. I remember in 1989 watching...

George H.W. Bush. Do blow? It do blow. And that's when I said, I will know it was in the White House. He did this press conference. Ever tell anybody about that? Him doing blow in the White House? You know what? It would it would help. Yeah. If there's a party that does blow, it's probably Republicans, to be honest with you.

But he showed everybody this bag of crack. I was watching it with my father. I remember thinking, "Holy shit, drugs are bad." He says in this press conference that they've -- they bought this crack outside at the White House. I'm -- "Dare. Don't do drugs. Nancy Reagan. Holy shit." Then I read your book. I find out that that whole "bought crack at the White House" thing was -- -It was fake. -It was fake. In fact, the DEA said to a drug dealer,

You got to sell us crack outside of the White House. And the drug dealer says, where the is the White House? I mean, this is all made up. Right. What? Let's talk about the American government's role in all this. The war on drugs. The war on drugs and also helping fund. Oh, the rebellion that started this. Listen, this this.

Opened my eyes, and again, I thought I knew a lot about this era going into it. The ways in which cocaine was used as a political tool. Here's something that's interesting. Willie and Sal's main money launderer was a banker in Panama City known as Guillermo Endara. He was burying their billions and billions of dollars in bank accounts in Panama.

They would ship in drywall pallets, right? Down to Panama? I mean, I read this stuff and I'm like, this guy should be the head of Walmart or something. They're inventive, right? They basically were making it up as they went along. These are guys who are high school dropouts. I mean, it's ingenious. I find this in the criminal world quite often. Criminal organizations of people with very little formal education that construct these phenomenal criminal operations. If they had chosen legit

form of business, they probably would have been really successful. For sure, yeah. Guillermo Andrade, so they depose Manuel Noriega in Panama. The United States is done with him. He's no longer their buddy. They force him out. They bring him to the United States, put him away in prison.

As a successor, you know who President Bush chooses to be president of Panama? Guillermo Andara. Right. William Sal's money launderer becomes the president of Panama. And there's an interesting part in here where they get worried that they're not going to get their money from him. Yeah. And he says, don't worry, I'm going to become president. Yeah. Yes. And they thought they were going to get their money and they lost $400 million in those accounts. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. The money. And then he ends up.

Being in a cell next to Noriega and they're kind of chatting to each other. And he was kind of like, Noriega is annoying. I don't want to talk to this strange bedfellows. Yeah. You write so much about the criminal underworld. You know, some of your other books, The Westies, Havana Nocturne, Dangerous Rhythms, Born to Kill. It's about the bloodiest Asian gang, the Cuba mafia, the Irish mob. Just admit it. You want to be a criminal.

This is what keeps me from being a criminal. It is. Yes, absolutely. What is it that... I mean, it's very entertaining to read this stuff, but you are diving in.

I've always thought of organized crime not as some fringe aspect of American culture, but as the main vein of American culture. And if you research it that way and you look at it that way, you learn a lot about America, politics, sociology. It really is an interesting prism or angle to look at. I call it from the gutter. It's looking at America from the point of view of the gutter. And you learn so much about it. It's an inexhaustible topic to me.

I can go back in history and tell stories. I can do contemporary versions of it. I can't walk around Manhattan anymore because when Willie Falcone was hiding... Yes. He had to hide from the federal government. He did it here in New York. He's on the lam. He's on the lam. He didn't want to stay home where I think his wife was... Where were they living? Upper East Side or something? Upper West Side. Upper West Side. Along the park. So his...

His work partner would pick him up in a van and he had this CB radio and they would drive him around Manhattan. He would talk to Escobar on the CB radio organizing. So every time I see a van out there, I'm going, that's cocaine smuggling happened right now. You might be on to something there. Right. Yeah. A mobile headquarters where he was consummating cocaine, international cocaine deals from the back of the van.

They were doing encrypted messaging. Yeah. Yeah, they really... I mean, I'm telling you, if you bend your mind around what it is they had to do to create this operation, it's pretty extraordinary. I love... There's a speedboat on the cover here because they also were... Powerboat racing champions. Champion power... I mean, it's like...

But also, if you're doing coke, you want to go fast. So I... That's true. If they became Powerboat champions and they were high on marijuana, that'd be different. You were only going three miles an hour, Willie Falco. If they were high on marijuana, they'd be doing their Powerboat racing in the bathtub. I hate to say this because it romanticizes them, but it does seem like they were winners, or at least they went big. Now...

It should -- Everyone should know it ends poorly. It ends very, very poorly. And there's also a part of me that gets so mad at all the rules they broke. -Yeah. -You know, that's not fair. -Yeah. -You can't buy a sheriff. -Fixing the jury. -They fixed -- I mean, that blew me away. And tell me a little bit about that. -Well, they finally go to trial, a big federal racketeering trial. And they're so popular in South Florida... -Yeah. -...that they not only fixed the jury,

They fix one, two, three, four, five jurors out of 12. They buy off to give them a not guilty verdict and they're found not guilty. It was a shock to everybody. Right. They own the system. They were like Robin Hoods in South Florida. They were revered by many Cuban Americans because they

funneled money back into the community. They built baseball parks and they spread the money around. They were very popular. Some of the more powerful moments in the book are when they're faced with those decisions through their families. Yes. Where parents who came over in dangerous situations and almost act now embarrassed of their children. That's very poignant. It was very poignant to me because, you know, their parents...

were kicked out of Cuba. Some of them had been professionals and they lost everything. They wound up in South Florida with nothing. And here's the kids, 11, 12, 13, are looking at their parents. They grow up watching their parents suffer. I think what was driving a lot of this cocaine generation was

to succeed and to make their parents proud. Ironically, that was their goal, you know, to show that they could make it in America in a way that would make their parents proud. And it was the parents that came to them, knew they were in the cocaine business, and came to them and said, son, you got to get out of this business. It's not going to end well. And that's easy. It's easy to cheat. It's hard to do it the right way. It's hard to cheat, too. It's hard to cheat, too. And that's the lesson.

I want to ask you this. This is your 10th book. Yes. For any young writer, author out there, advice for anyone who wants to write. I don't even know if these kids read books anymore, but there is a kid out there that wants to write books. What would you say to him or her at this point?

Write every day. OK. Write something every day. OK. And get out into the world, because writing is basically transforming your experiences into the written word down on the page. And so get out. If you're a kid who's in school, get away from school. And I don't mean drop out.

I don't mean drop out, but I mean there's a reality other than school. Right. And that's the reality you got to learn. Let go of the side of the pool and push yourself out into the deep end. I love that. That's how you become a writer. Well, you write wonderfully. Thank you.

My family was happy when I finished this book because they were talking to me and I'm going like, sex in prison? What the hell? It's cocaine. But it's a great book. Thank you for coming and talking with us today. The Last Kilo is available now. TJ English. We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back after this. Thank you so much. Thank you.

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