EP.146 - TOP HAT DEMON STORY, DARK PERFECT WORLD THEORY & EGO DEATHS w/ EMSON
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Okay, you guys ever have like you guys ever like think of a jumper jingle ever No, but like an actual like I don't know some kind of like slogans I feel like I feel like if you make jumpers jump the word jumpers jump into the slogan. Yeah, it sounds like jumpers jump

Homies be hopping Anything would jump it sounds cringe like in your head. Oh, yeah There's another there's another podcast in Toronto was like players play and everyone was like roasting them cuz they're like all the coffee does yeah They're like, you know why you couldn't get more creative and say like old jumpers don't players with ask her you actually know one of my homies was like talking about all like oh you were on this is like way back when I when we did the

First thing to broadcast? Yeah. What did they say? Oh, you were on Shooter Shoot? I was like, what? No, I was going to name it that before, too. Actually? Yeah. That was one of the names. It was Shooter Shoot, Running With The Winners. Running With The Winners, bro?

That's actually kind of, it's nice. Somebody has that podcast somewhere. And then we landed on Jumpers Jump was an inside joke. Yeah. Yeah. Between like you two, right? Yeah. It was an inside joke. Something I just said. Yeah. It was something I said. Yeah. Because it just sounded like, like nice. It sounded like iconic. So it is. It does sound iconic. No. Cause also another one, the and what podcast? Oh,

Oh, that was hard though. I like that. What is that? It's called And What? Is it for like this podcast? Yeah. What's it going to be for this? It was like And What? Because you always say, oh, and what? Yeah, that's true. I think we always say that. What else do you always say? Take in? Take in. If you really bag it. If you really bag it. If you really bag it, podcasts are going to go crazy. That's actually kind of hard. That's kind of hard. That is what you say. But my favorite is my Can't Tell Me because it just sounds sick. Can't Tell Me. Yeah, you just say that a lot. Can't Tell Me.

I'm surprised nobody had that name too. Can't tell me. Yeah, nobody had it. I feel like there's a bunch of like basic ones out there. Like, keep it real. Just chillin' podcast. With the homies podcast. Homies in the crib.

In the garage. Garage gang. They look around the room and just see one thing? You just gotta put the alliteration at the front. Like, jumpers jump. Garage gang. Shoot, shoot. Garage grudging. Garage be garaging. Hoppers hopping.

Oh, man. Jumpers jump. Always be hopping. Like an ad-lib. Like an ad-lib. Now, if I were to do a podcast right now, low-key, I've been having an idea for it. I really want to do, like, a podcast that every single episode...

is almost like a cinematic. So it's like, imagine like a zombie apocalypse and then man's get trapped into somewhere. But since we're locked in, we got to like talk. We have to talk. Oh, that's kind of hard. I am working on something just like that. Word.

And I haven't done the zombie apocalypse one. That one's good, though. And Loki, I want to cast, like, big celebrities. That's what you would do for that one? Yeah. Because you don't really like having too many guests on. Yeah, because that's what I had on Can't Tell Me. Because when I have it on Can't Tell Me, it's more like a... You know what I mean? I can really, like...

see what the guest is trying to do. As in, Jumpers Jump is kind of known for, I guess, theories, stories, and shit. It kind of reminds me of, you know, Kevin Hart's, like, What Now? Like, comedy show where he did, like, the cinematic and it goes into him doing the actual show. So it's kind of like that. Oh,

But instead of the, you doing comedy, it's doing the podcast. That's cool though because it's like, yeah, like take in like, whenever you're with, you ever like have insane conversations but it's in the most like, weird setting. It's a weird setting, right? Very niche scenario. Like I remember one time, like I was like at a party and I was, I was messed and like,

I just grabbed the most random person in our friend group that I don't talk to as much. And then we were in the bathroom and she was just taking care of me. I was yakking. I was like, I just wasn't feeling it. And then we were just talking and taking, like, I don't talk to her like this at all. And I went through, like, my whole life story for three hours. Damn. No, but it's those type of moments. I don't know. It's like, it's like meant to be. Exactly. She's supposed to be there at that time. You're supposed to be throwing up. And it's so like,

the stars align type of shit. Yeah. And now we're like super tight. Yeah. Like it's crazy how like that happens. It's like, it's like the most niche and the most specific like setting and the most specific thing. Like,

to bring you guys together. But it's always the most impactful, you know? High key? That's like a life hack if you're trying to take a girl out on a date. Yeah. If you can hone in on the feeling and the mood, it's rad. But if you're trying to do it with a shorty, it's kind of planned. Yeah, so is that a thing? So it's forced? It's too forced. No, you can transition it.

If you're nice enough, you can transition a deep talk with a girl. Yeah, but for the most part, it doesn't feel... You never have... You have the deep talk, but you don't feel like it. It doesn't feel deep, even if it is deep. Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. It's so weird. No, I know exactly... Because there's some people I try having a deep talk with. I'm like, ah, this doesn't feel right. Yeah, you guys are just talking the talk. And you guys do have a conversation, but the feeling doesn't feel as genuine. I think... I truly believe there's certain people that...

they have almost like a spiritual thing when you talk to them. So it's almost like your souls connect in a way and they understand you on a level that's not language. It's like something else in the air, you know? Makes sense though because I feel like, you know how everybody says life is just frequency? Yeah. And so like,

like, voice, our voice and, like, how our frequency from how we talk might, like, affect somebody else's, like, vibe, you know? Because it, like, like how music touches us in a way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? And it's just, like, certain, like, music that we listen to. Like, why does one genre of music sound better than one another? You know what? It's just sounds. If you really back it, it's just sound. It's literally just sound where it's... It's just waves. It almost appeals to our brain in a certain pattern. Like, if I just went to you like this...

Is it positive or negative? It's like positive. Yeah, it's low-key positive, but I went... It's like negative. It's like negative and shit. But is it because we learned that from birth and that's how we're programmed? But maybe there's a frequency to it. So, look, look, look. I don't know if I said this before, but this is fucked. Monks and certain yogis, when they meditate, they do the...

I did say this, right? And it puts their frequency, their voice to 432 or whatever the high frequency is of the hertz. Now, when people are high, you know how they always talk like surfers? They go, yo, bro, what are you saying, fam? In theory, the reason they do that is because they're on such a high frequency, it changes their voice to talk like that. Yeah, I feel that, you know, because you're just kind of like...

I don't know. It makes sense because maybe it's like tuning a radio. You're kind of tuning into the best frequency that suits your soul.

Yo, low key. I think that's what life is. It's just your soul like going through like frequencies. It's like finding exact... Because if you look at life in a sense of choices, we're always just picking choices and we just land on where we are right now. So every single thing in your life, whether it be like to hang out with a friend, yes or no, or to be nice to my mom, yes or no. To eat rice today. Yeah, to eat rice today, yes or no. Like eating rice that day could affect you later. Man, I don't want carbs another day. Whatever it may be, right? Yeah.

Now, whatever choices you made, it's literally like a... It's like code. It's almost like computer shit. But it's like... Ones and zeros, fam. Just running your own algorithm. Like... Will you ever hear that, like, thing where it's like, we're not humans on our spiritual journey, we're spirits on a human journey? Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's like our souls are kind of, like, transcending through different frequencies. So, like, do you think, like, that we...

That we're on like our one like kind of like not timeline but our one frequency for our whole lives? Or do you think certain events in our lives like change that frequency and we tune into something else? Fuck. I think it changes. Like shifting. You ever hear about that shit? Yo, I think... Fuck, bro. I get scared sometimes because I think the moment you really... This is gonna sound crazy but when I try to manifest things or try to like...

Yeah, literally like manifesting into my life. I feel a difference in how I live.

And then that's how I know I did it right. That's the fuck for it. So it's not only what changes my environment, but everything from the moment I wake up to how I eat my food, everything changes. And then I'm like, holy shit, am I a different person? Or is the world different? Is the world different? Yeah. Is the universe different? Like, fuck. It can definitely change though because imagine like one day you do coke and then the rest of your life is fucked up.

fucked up like you jumped that dimension you had a choice though and then it would steer you on another way yeah like a bad decision like a bad decision just one all it takes and then that like takes you on to the next dimension yo but like there's like always like what if there's like an in between between like frequencies you know what do you mean like you know how like let's say like there's like

Certain life where you're living this or a certain life you're living that what's the in-between of dimensions, you know Yeah, you know cuz like I always think like cuz I have like hella sleep paralysis like I don't know Really? I don't know. I sleep well. No, I do I sleep like eight hours minimum. That's good Yeah, but I don't know what it is. Like oh you sleep on your back in recent. No, I sleep like a baby I have to hug some what's your position? Let me see you pause like

Wait, like on your front or on your back? Like hugging a pillow like on my side. On your side? Yeah, like a baby. I don't know. I don't know if that makes... Like a fetal position almost, but I'm hugging like something. Interesting. Yeah. What do you see? What do you see? Okay, so like, you know how people see like instantly paralysis? They see like... It's like a black figure, right? Yeah, they see stuff like that. I don't... It just... It feels like my brain turns on, but my body doesn't. It's like paralyzed. No, yeah, that's what it is. And that's what it is, right? And it feels like... It feels like...

You see a glimpse of what you think is there. Yeah. But it's not. Yeah, kind of. I can visualize what my room looks like. Yeah, yeah. Holy shit. But I don't physically open my eyes. You know how some people have sleep paralysis, their eyes are open, they can't talk? But yeah, I guess at first, the first couple times, it was really scary because I'm just like...

It feels like you're brain dead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't move your body. You can't do anything. You're telling your... You're giving the inputs, but the PC is not like computing. Yeah, because it uses your thoughts out of the way. But like I learned how to like properly wake myself up every time now.

What do you do? I just do like quick breaths. So that it races my heart and then my heart like... Yo, there was some TikTok that was like, yo, sleep paralysis is fake because all you have to do is remind yourself that your brain can connect to your body and just say, fuck that shit. That's so fast.

People forget that their brain is controlling their body. So it's literally just all in your brain So as soon as you say fuck this I'm not in sleep paralysis. You'll wake up from it Yeah, because what it actually is is that like your brain basically when you're like REM sleep and it paralyzes your body So you don't act upon your dream? Because like let's say like it didn't paralyze your body and you're like fighting people in your dream you'll be awake and like

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it's like the defense. It's like a security system. But I will say, like, there was, like, a time where I did, like, see, like, your sleep paralysis demon. But this one is crazy. So, like...

You ever hear of like the top hat man? Oh, yeah. You guys talk about that here? Yeah. Okay, yeah. So basically what happened... So this is the craziest thing. So I used to do... I remember when I used to do the podcast. I stopped for this reason for a bit. So basically what happened was I was having... This was the time where I was having like bare sleep paralysis like almost like every night. It was pretty scary. And so one night like... I don't know what it was but I remember like...

like waking up on my back and like I opened my eyes but like I couldn't move and then at the foot of my bed like like it started to just like fade in no yeah it was like so it was like a tall figure and then he had like a

a hat but he had like no eyes nothing it was just the silhouette and then like I started to panic and so my body woke itself up out of the anxiety I guess right yeah and so taking a couple of years back my cousin he I don't know I don't remember which cousin but he told me the story about how like he was never able to like sleep properly because he would always see like either before he would go to sleep or while he was asleep or in the middle of the night that there would always be like a

like a tall guy in a silhouette with a top hat resting at the foot of his bed or at the doorway and it followed him for years and even like I don't know if I'm butchering the story but like even like later on when he had like a girlfriend that like she would like sleep over and see him too no yeah yeah like one time apparently like she slept over and then um

The next morning she was gone. He called her like, yo, why'd you leave? He's like, well, I got creeped out because I started to, I saw like this thing, right? Okay, so take this in, right? Like months later, I'm recording my podcast with my homegirl, right? And she's very like spiritual, like,

Open her third eye. She has so many encounters like gone through like monks and Buddhists to like bless stuff for her And she's been through it all she was telling her stories on the podcast and I was getting chills So I was like, you know what? I'll open up. Let me like tell the story Yeah, I told her story and while we were recording her one of her like our friends were there in the room with us and she was like listening in and when she Heard my story. She was like yo, it's crazy cuz she explained her experience with the tall man Yeah, and then as she was explaining

On the door. On the door. On camera too. I still have it to this day. And then I turned into the top man guy. And then, so yeah, so we heard three dogs all stopped. We like all like dead silence. And this is when I was still like, my mom was still living with me at the time. And so I opened the door and no one's there. And then I go to my mom's room. She's asleep.

- Oh shit. - Yeah, so we're like, this can't, like, what is this? And I know it wasn't them. - Yeah, yeah. - Because you could hear it from the door. We all looked towards the door and I have the footage and every time like I try to go back to edit it, it's just so eerie. - Ew. - Oh, because it's like the feeling, like I feel it in my gut and my gut feeling, I will, I never like doubt my gut feeling, you know? - Yeah. - Like it's just such a, it feels like a pressure on my heart, you know? - You know what they say though? They say, if you speak about certain spirits,

They'll manifest and call. Oh, yeah. No, I'm just saying like, because like, you know how my friend, she's super sensitive to all that stuff. I feel like that's why- It follows people like that. It was finally allowed to like show itself because we were like-

we were expressing its presence and it got more like you know in tune with where our conversation was. Cause they follow people that can I guess communicate to that other realm. Because they're trying to get out. See a lot of people are saying when we tell these stories like about the top hat man, that shit's fake. But fam, there's another person that literally goes through that shit. And I didn't even know you guys talked about that. That's what I'm saying. That's why it's so crazy. And like do you watch a lot of horror movies?

I used to. During COVID, I remember there was a time when I was so bored, I just watched a bunch. But before, I hated horror movies. I was a pussy. I don't like horror movies still to this day, though. But what you said, if you watch all of those stuff, you might summon some bad energy, too. Because I remember hearing a story. There was this family from Ecuador, and

And every, like, I think it was Friday night, they would watch like their horror movie. So they would have a session, right? So it's their thing. Yeah, that's their thing. And I don't know why, but one night they said that, oh, they felt some bad spirit come upon them. And so what they did, they were like, okay, when we have the session next week, we'll set up a camera, right? Right.

So there's literally a video, when they set up the camera, you can see them shaking and stuff like that. And in like the couch, you see a black figure like swipe their hand. - Yo! - So they jump, they all jump up. They're like, what the fuck? - That would be crazy. - And I'm telling you, the water bottle on the table flung across to the couch. - No! - Flung across? - And listen, listen, when they tried to exit the room, the door wouldn't open. Like they were stuck in there.

See, what do you do in that situation? You call in a priest, like what they did. You have to pray, bro. That's the only thing you can... Look, if you're dealing with spiritual shit, it's up to spiritual shit to fix. It has nothing to do with anything physical no more.

Personally, that's what I believe. Or when you're locked in, you start a podcast. Yo, that'd be a hard one. That'd be a hard one. Yo, we should do that. Yo, get me out. Yo. We should run that. That'd be crazy. That'd be a crazy one. Just like, get me out, get me out. And then it's just like, so what do you guys believe? Or imagine, I don't know, this might be different. Obviously, it might be more of a cinematic episode more than a podcast. But what if it's like,

Like you're all trapped in, but it's three different people who have three different religions and three different beliefs. And some people take it in like differently. Different, different, like I guess ideas. Because like what if someone's like that's not religious or doesn't believe this, like is in a group of two religious people of different religions?

How did that conversation go? - That's interesting stuff. - That's like those cut videos. - Like find the mole. - Find the atheist. - Find the atheist. - Who's the Catholic? - Yo, have you guys seen that one episode? - The gay one? - No, it's like find the girl. Oh no, figure out who's not a girl. And it's like a dude that can voice into like a girl voice. - And she's like, "My name's Rebecca."

And I think he won too. I think he won. That's crazy. Oh, he didn't make it? Do you have the video? Oh yeah, you want to see it? I want to see it. That's crazy. You guys want to see the video? Alright, so...

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You see it. They'll replay it, but this is them just watching the movie.

You see that? I saw that! You saw that? So the replay, watch, watch, watch closely. Look, they're all just reviewing the gameplay. The deep reef. Boom. See? And then like, bam, shits are flying across the room. They couldn't exit the door. Look, look, look. Pillows are moving. They finally get out.

And then they call the priest the next day to literally bless the house. Nah, that's fucked. It's because I think when you bring in that energy, that's what settles. You're asking for it. Why do you think spirits are so strong, though? To the point where you can't open doors. I don't know. If you take it in, how do you know we're not just spirit? What if we're interrupting in their realm?

You know like that goes back into like the frequency stuff Yeah, where it's like some people think ghosts are just people glitching like people's frequency glitching into our unit into where we are Mm-hmm, which makes sense because why do you only see ghosts like it's never like full-on for like five seconds It's always the glimpse. Yeah, and you never know what you really saw like they glitch back out. Yeah Have you ever had those one moments where like nothing's around you, but you feel scared. Yes, or

But is that anxiety? No, that's what they say. The ghosts are in your presence. But maybe that's why some people have anxiety because they're more sensitive.

Maybe, maybe. Because my friend who is more sensitive about that stuff, she has more anxiety stuff with her as well. Not like super stuff, but just to say the facts of how it is. Yo, so you ever read the book, Think and Grow Rich? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that book. This is like an entrepreneurship book, and it's all about manifestation, right? One of the biggest points they made in that book was...

If you could almost give the idea of something, it gives it life to happen. So in my head, and I think this is how movies work too, when you give an idea to a scenario happening, or let's say I look at a picture, or I look at the ceiling, and it looks almost like, oh, it could be the shape of a dog or whatever. What if, this is going to sound crazy, but what if the idea comes to life in that realm?

In like the realm of like... Of like ideas. If that makes sense. I don't know that... Like your ideas have its like own frequency. No, like... So the moment I say, this stick is a sword now. Yeah. And there's other objects in the room.

does it give life to other things because that idea was set in stone? Because if you think about it, every single thing in life is an idea. Every single thing. This was an idea first. The mic was an idea first. The podcast, us speaking, are all ideas. So I think the moment you give it,

What if it just manifests to itself? Or even it just opens doors to other realities. Then you get to pull it in. It's like inching closer and closer. That's what I always thought manifestation was, though. As much as it is spiritual, it's more like coding yourself to make it real. That's what I'm saying. I think that's what it is. Because I think the greatest power of humanity is creation. As much as people say in different religions, oh, gods are our creator, but he created us so we can also create.

Create things because humanity created like everything think about it like that, you know, like you create all the technology That's that's a superpower in itself. Yeah to create electricity like things to make fire You know, like we don't have like the superpowers to actually like make fire in our hands like fireballs But we have the idea we have like the idea to create the bomb. Yeah. Yeah, I

Oppenheimer. Like, who would think, like, we can make a citywide explosion? You know, that's just an idea, though, right? But to be able to make that idea into fruition, like, with science or whatever, that means, like, would you think, like, anything is possible, pretty much? I think that's how it is. I think, like, even if it's not meant to be, if that idea is not meant to happen in this realm, it happens in another. So,

Like, let's say you paint a picture and you paint like people that are strangers that don't even have a real person attached to them. Once you create that picture, that painting, does it create its own story once it's finished? And you know how you go to an art gallery and people like interpret it and people have their own ideas. Does that make them real?

i guess so because there's ideas are set onto them now or there's like i guess manifestations that are set what they could be doing and in that realm of like let's say you are that person in the painting now i know you can't like move and but let's say spiritually you are that that person in the painting

are you now whatever the painter said you are? Are you the idea? Are you the concept? Are you the concept? And what if that's what we are? Like, humans in general. We're just an idea. Yeah. Of, like, something. But we just don't know what we're the idea. You don't know who we are. Because we don't know how we're perceived as, you know. That makes sense, too, because, like, I was going to say something, but it totally slipped. But, like...

I'd have forgotten, man. It was crazy. No, because it's fucking mind-blowing because I always think, shit, is it... Are we just meant to exist? Or are we just... Are we meant to find out? Like figure stuff out? Yeah. Or are we just meant to live and exist? Or are we meant to solve something? Okay, so... Okay, I've got my idea back. So...

Speaking on that, like, somebody told me, shout out my boy Vincent, he told me that, like, ideas are all out there waiting to get out. And they're just traveling through different people to find the person that'll bring it to life. You know? Because, like, you ever have, like, a sick idea and then you sit on it too long and then somebody else comes up with this exact same idea and it pops off. It blows up. But that's, like...

That idea has been looming around the world and it's been like itching to like, like be real. Yeah. And it found its like vessel. It's a living thing. It's almost like a living thing. Do you think an idea is, is almost kind of like spiritual then in a way? Yeah. Cause if you bag it like this, oh, this one gets mind blowing. Ready? If you bag it, the idea of Emerson or the idea of what Gavin is, you create it.

So, like, you're literally forming the idea of who Gavin is, the idea of who Carlos is for me, the idea of who Empson is. Like, that idea is living through you.

so it becomes you create like what you are pretty much yeah like it becomes and that's the idea yeah that's what manifesting is right it's like you see that version of you and then you're gonna like do everything in your power to become that version of you so the per like the person you are in 10 years is an idea from the present if you think about it like that think about it wait wait say that one more time so the person you were going to be in 10 years yeah

was an idea that you had now. Because the idea of like the person that you are in the future had to exist. Had to exist now. So like I can have an idea of myself being like a millionaire, right? Had to exist first. And it's just an idea right now, but it becomes real when I'm actually a millionaire. And that's when it becomes a reality.

you know yeah i think i think that's what it is i think that's what life is like what was your like um you know when you're in kindergarten and say what do you want to be when you grow up did you have that yo i have the funniest one bro what did you say i said i want to be a taxi cab driver word yeah i don't know why okay well i thought i thought only like i thought

Thought that's like I remember drawing a car and like I just wanted to drive I didn't know that meant taxi cab driver and then my teacher was like, oh you want to drive taxis? I was like, I guess so. Yeah, cuz I didn't know better right? Yeah, but really I just wanted to drive because I feel like you know how you guys said like Manifestation is so spiritual. I feel like from birth. They're already trying to put you down like they're trying to break That's yeah energy. You know, I mean, I think it's like society holds you Yeah, so it's like the the people that grow up and take that risk is

Obviously escape we can say escape the matrix, but it's like they live the best life because that's what they planned out to do That's what feels their spirit. I mean like they're much happier than the people working You know like when people say like do what makes your heart full? Yeah, yeah, exactly that makes sense well if you really like think about it like But like

What were we talking about? Sorry. Like manifestation. Yeah, manifesting shit. Oh, just... Oh, well, like... Yeah, because, like, you know, when we have, like... You know, you ever have, like... You ever see those religions or certain, like, shows? Like, in Avatar, you know how they find who the Avatar is, like, Airbender? Like, they give them a set of toys and then whichever, like... Oh, which one they're interested in? That's the Avatar because...

every avatar has picked the exact same toy from time, you know? So do you think we kind of like find out what, like, do you think we figure out what we want to do or was it just...

coded in us you know what's crazy it's so it's so crazy you say this because because when i was a kid and like i used to do presentations and shit every single time i spoke there was something that felt like yo i'm supposed to like do i'm supposed to speak really well right now and it was especially that because i wasn't a good student where like i would do shit last minute yeah but the yeah but the the ones that i knew i was so good at regardless of how much effort i put in

was presentations and speaking. Speeches, all of that shit. - That's your thing. - It just came almost like... - Came naturally. - Yeah, like... - You just feel it in your bones, like it's an instinct. - Yeah, that's what it felt like. And I think it was almost telling me, 'cause at the time I was mad shy. I was so fucking awkward and shit. And I wouldn't even dare to wanna see myself in that type of position.

But I guess me being good at those certain events made me see differently. It's a different type of vibe because I remember I went into the speech competition, super introverted. But I don't know why, as soon as I got into the mic, I started being funny. And having that reaction of the crowd is so filling. It filled my spirit. Just men listening to me. It was crazy. It's like that Maslow's hierarchy of needs. It's like social...

like social acceptance is kind of like a natural need for some people but for some people like it doesn't really matter but for people like us we like that stuff we don't let it control our lives to like the point where we control what we say but like it feels nice to have that like affirmation from people and why does that feel good to us but not to others like why do people some people not like attention and why do some people like it I think it's how you're raised though you think so I think it's exactly how you're raised like you weren't getting enough attention from your parents type shit

Nah, I was getting attention from my people. But there's some people who grow up loving attention because they never had it. But there's people who love attention because they always had it. Interesting. I guess it just depends on the person. I guess it depends. It's kind of like how you think psychos are turned. Were they always just like something in their mind was just always...

Crazy or was it out of like nurture like is it nature versus nurture like Ted Bundy? You know like people like like I don't know his like story, you know Like I don't know what had like happened in his like past or what his facts are whatever happened to him like growing up but like some people think like people are just like that like do you think people are just a certain way just because that's hard I think I think like as fucked up as it sounds I

there has to be kind of really evil people in the world for us to see the difference. Like if there was no terrible people in the world, that idea of something scary would exist in another way. And it manifested in that way so it doesn't have to be done again. You get me? And I guess like society can learn from its mistakes or learn like from its tragedy.

And we can kind of, like, stop it and prevent it. Well, in, like, the Bible and stuff, wasn't, like... Weren't we supposed to be, like, perfect? Like, no evil? And then when we, like, accepted, like, sin after or something like that? I think it was... Like, sin came into the world after it was already perfect? Yo, because this is from Adam and Eve. Yeah. So, you know this, right? Yeah. So, like, after the apple, then we became original sin. Like, we all have sin. Yeah. So...

I feel like... Okay, first of all, would you want to even live in a perfect world? No. I don't think there is a perfect world, though. Because have you ever watched... Actually, yes, though. Wait, yes. Everyone will want that. Because I saw on Twitter recently, someone was like, man, we could have just been cute little people making art and eating fruit, but instead we have credit score and taxes. No, but you always say this. You always say this. There's nothing such a perfect life because if you don't see the lows, how are you going to appreciate the highs? Exactly.

Let me get to my point. Yeah. Check this shit out. So, yes, right here, the world right now, we need to have that shit happening. Why? So that paradise, when you get there, you appreciate it. Yeah. Because if you didn't, if you didn't see terrible things, when you go to paradise, how do you compare? Yeah, that's the beauty of life, man. I think you said this poem where it was like, oh, God, you weren't with me. Yeah.

Walking through the sand my whole life and stuff like that. Because there was only like two footsteps. And then he was like, God was like, no, that was my footsteps. I carried you on my back. Like that's the beauty of life, fam. Like you have to see the highs and lows. You guys ever watched The Good Place? The Good Place? Or ever heard of The Good Place? Yo, Sahar was telling me something about it. Like the girl in hell? Just like everything. I didn't watch it. Okay, so...

Do you guys care if I kind of spoil it? Spoil it. I'm not going to watch it. So essentially, a premise is the good place is about... It's basically like heaven and hell, but instead of saying that, it's the good place and the bad place. So basically, it's these people trying to get out of the bad place and trying to get into the good place after dying. And what makes a good person? Because you could say you could live your whole life good,

but like what is good but then you could be in the bad place after because like you used a cell phone that was made by slaves in the next place but you're not bad yeah because you you weren't like you know like you weren't promoting like slavery or anything like that of people making your phones

But you never did anything wrong with your life. But since you bought a phone and it was made by slaves, is that bad? Yeah, so is that bad? Yeah, so they're trying to find the middle ground there. And so fast forward, fast forward to the ending. They all make it to the good place. But it sucks because everyone's always happy. And then what happens? You have eternal happiness. And then what? That's why, to me, what scares me isn't death. It's eternity.

you know because like that doesn't scare you when you live forever yo loki i know exactly what you mean like what feeling do you have left in your in your own life once you've done everything like anything you could possibly imagine like go-karting with monkeys i know exactly what you mean bro what's next and like you could do infinite amount of things but like there's always you're always going to be looking towards something because like

Forever does it feel like peace? But can you accomplish everything? I think forever does feel like peace because it's infinite.

Yeah, but it's just like... No, it's more. Sometimes I feel like our spirit just will tire out one day. What do you mean? Like I said, how we're spirits on a human journey, just spirits just coasting to life, doing everything possible in the universe. And it could take eons to figure that out. But I feel like once our spirit kind of feels full and satisfied, I think that'll be our time for like...

to just release us as energy. - I don't think you can ever get filled. - This is what I think. I think this is what heaven is. It's paradise, but you can choose to help back here. So I really believe there's some guardian angels fixing things, going out there, seeing who they affected while their time on earth happened.

And they're trying to like watch over people. Like a mentor. Yeah, almost like that. See, so okay. So spoilers for The Good Place. If you're watching it right now or if you're planning to watch it, skip it. But the very end, this is the exact problem. Is they're not happy because everything is too perfect. Everything, like it's too long. So their alternative was once they finally felt fulfilled with everything as a spirit and have...

lived for eons, they could go through this door that just gives the energy back into the universe. And then they're not that spirit anymore. It just goes. And then that energy turns into something else, into a different spirit, into something else. But it resets. But you're finally giving it all up, like yourself. Your entire experience of eons of experience, you're giving it up.

Because you finally feel like content. But what were they doing during these eons of years though that that they said that it's repetitive So in in the good place what what you can do is anything like so you can go through these doors and you can go anywhere in the world the universe you can create any scenario you you'd ever want like you could be a Naruto yeah, you could have Pokemon be real and like yeah, so like eons eons of that like what else can you think of you know? No, it's crazy

What if this is it right here? That this is the... This is exactly what you wanted to do because it's a perfect balance of challenge and good. Oh, that's a good one. So what your soul really wanted is right here. Is the perfect balance of both. Do you think that's why life is so hard? I wouldn't say... Do you think life is hard? I don't look at life hard. I look at it as...

how it's supposed to be. It's just how it is, right? It's how it is, yeah. It's how it is. It's not necessarily hard, not necessarily easy. Yeah. Because then I always think like, why is our lives like meant to be like

Like it's such a structure, you know, and I feel like there's been such a structure like put upon us I feel like we could be such free beings doing whatever we want But we have rules and all these stuff that make life a little bit more tougher than it should be, you know Yeah, like why do we have war? Why do we have credit scores and taxes and all of this stuff to like hold us back from like what we could actually like accomplish together That's the balance of life though. That's yeah

So, like, do you think that this world that we're living in right now is a perfect world then? Yeah. I think it is. No, I don't think so. So you don't think this is the paradise that we're looking for? Like, that was just a theory I said, but, like, I don't think that's what it is. I think paradise is literally, like, paradise. Like, happy times. Like, you guys ever watch that? What's that one movie with, like...

Emma Watson, the world's ending, it's all the celebrities. This is the end? This is the end, yeah. And then they all die. And then they're all in heaven. They're all living their own paradise. How that depicts stuff. Is that your depiction? Or is yours different from everybody else? I feel like if you don't think this world right now isn't paradise, then I don't think you're grateful enough. No, fam. That's not what I mean by it. What I mean is...

Like God can grant so much better things that you can't see right now. That's the way I see it. It's like those like pictures where he's like, it's like God asking a child to give him this, give her a toy, but she doesn't want to let it go. But he has an even better toy behind. Exactly. What better toys? Like say he grants me life. What is better than life? It's what you would try to achieve. So a lot of people are comfortable. And I think,

Once you're comfortable, that's where it ends. No matter what. Let's say you wanted to be something. You're comfortable. Okay, that's it. God's not going to help you.

The moment you ask, God, I want to do this. I want to do all of this. Boom. Say less. Challenge, challenge, challenge, challenge, challenge. And all you see, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then now you're jumping up. Mario type shit. You know what I mean? Jumpers be jumping. Yeah. All of these levels. And then that's the stuff that tests you. And then now you can try to achieve them. Hmm.

but you have to ask for it you have to ask for it and you have to you actually have to have the you have to put the idea out there the idea that's what it is you have to find the actual i guess reason the the almost purpose the purpose for you to go ahead and do it because if it's just like because if you think this is paradise and everything is easy like this boom it is for you yeah but everybody's different so i think depending on who that person is

That's why a lot of people do amazing things, but other people are calm. Because they're content with where they are. They're content. They're comfortable. Some people like that nine to five. Exactly. Some people don't want more, but some people want more. Yeah, and I think the people that really challenge, like even when it doesn't make sense to challenge, are the ones that achieve the most. It's like when people, like how nowadays people kind of like,

promote delusion. Like, oh, I'm the Lulu. Like, let's be delusional together. Because I was like, why live content with what we have when we could be delusional and live these dreams that we don't know are possible? That's just not even delusional in my opinion. It's not. It's just believing in yourself. And I feel like it's just, why not? In a world where we can create anything, why not? It's just, why not? Yeah, because for my opinion, I was going to put this on threads before, but I was going to put...

If my confidence doesn't make other people uncomfortable, then I'm not confident enough. I feel that. But it's so true. It is. Because you see these people that do amazing things and you feel uncomfortable because they've done those things. Yeah. Now...

That's how you know they've reached that level, in my opinion. Because it shows other people, like, damn, it makes them question themselves. Like, can I, can I, can I do that? And that putting the idea onto somebody makes them see life differently just by their presence. Yeah. But yo, but they paint delusion in this generation as something they can't achieve no more. Like, you know, like, oh, I'm deluded about that guy, but he'll never want to mess with me.

- Femme, what? - That's the wrong way. - That's the wrong way. - I think that's the wrong, 'cause when you call it delusion, then it's not gonna happen. - Yeah, yeah, exactly, that's what I'm saying. - It's just, why does it have to be delusion? Why can't it just be-- - Real. - Real, yeah. - Exactly, it's stupid. - And people are like, oh, you'll never be this, but people have done it before, so isn't that proof enough for you? - There's enough dumbasses that go out there and become rich, so what's stopping them? - Yeah. - It's just people,

They hate on it. It's because they're scared themselves and they don't want to see others be able to do it. Because they want to try it, but things hold them back like themselves. So they can look at you as a, oh, if I did that, that's what happened to me. That's what they're looking for. That's like they're praying for you to fail because it reassures them that they chose the right path. Exactly. Exactly. And then that's what cowards love the most. Dave Chappelle said it the best. He's like, when a hero falls...

the cowards rejoice. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's facts, that's facts. - And the hero falls, man. - 'Cause you know how everybody always,

Looks like any like anytime there's a new like celebrity or somebody coming up It's always like praise praise praise and then there's always those people waiting for that moment They like fuck up and then everybody's it - everybody hates them all of a sudden. Oh, oh, they were always like that Oh, I always like saw them as this bad person all this. I can't believe you guys didn't see this before. No, I

I literally remember there was a podcast out there where I cried, right? But we never released it. But I asked Carlos, I want to ask you too. Do you like being in the spotlight? Because being in the spotlight means that there's going to be hundreds and hundreds of people criticizing your every move. But a lot of people pray for that spotlight, right? Yeah.

I like the spotlight, but I like my privacy. You know? I like the spotlight when it's on me, but it's... I show them what I want them to see. You know what I mean? And I like having eyes on me, I guess. I'm not going to lie and say I don't like attention. Yeah, yeah. I do. The whole reason people crack jokes is to make people laugh, right? And when you make people laugh, you get...

validation that like, oh, I'm funny. And I like making people happy. You know what I mean? So I'd say like, yeah, I do like being in the spotlight and like, I don't,

I feel like for most people, people are afraid because of like, judgment or what if they cancel me for some random ass shit that like doesn't really matter, you know what I mean? Or like all this, you just can't like see it as like spotlight as in terms of like getting validation from people. It's just spotlight just to want it. Like,

Like that's just what I want. Not because of other people. Cause they think they'll be happy. Yeah. You're not trying to like be in the spotlight to like, to do something, to do something. They just want it. They just want it. To want it. And the people that want it just to want it, get it. But if you want it just to have the fame, to have eyes on you, just to,

just for other status reasons and for other people's validation, then it's not going to go like the right way. It's not fulfilling. Yeah, exactly. It won't be because you'll have it. And then what? Yeah. Like you're, you have the validation. Now what? Where's the validation that you give yourself? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You read so much of that shit. Cause I remember I went to church, I think it was last Sunday and I probably had the most spiritual like experience ever. Cause every time now, like I'm,

I prayed that I would have the spotlight and stuff like that. But I feel like, fuck, now God has given me this. But so many people have been commenting about me as myself, right? So every time I went to church, I prayed for protection from these comments and judgments, right? And I just started crying, like sobbing, right? And then I said, yo, God, if you're with me, can you touch my left shoulder? And I felt like something. And I was like, fuck, like...

fuck, like, please just keep protecting me from every... I don't read comments no more. Like, I don't read... Like you told me, I don't read the good or bad. And then what you told me is like, yo, just let Gavin be Gavin. Like, those two together, like, I can never fail after. With God's protection, you can't lose, man. It's like that saying, like, as I walk through the valley of shadow and death, I know that I can... Something, something, because God's with me, you know what I mean? Yeah, no weapon shall be formed against me. Or prosper. No weapon shall prosper against me. Because you just... But like...

See, like, do you think it's because you, like, prayed for that? Yeah. Or because you...

you yourself like rewired comfortable with it yeah it became comfortable because it's probably both yeah it's probably both because i prayed for it but as soon as i got comfortable those times were probably the most depressing times of my life sometimes i think it's more so like you just need to say it to the universe yeah and have someone to talk to and i feel like for some people that like are very religious like god's that outlet like for you god's that outlet right yeah and sometimes you just need to like talk to him to like reassure your own no real self right yeah and

And because like that's, everything comes with it from within, right? Yeah. If you get, if you get all your validation, if you get everything, everything,

in your life that makes you happy from other sources, then you're never... It's not going to be fulfilled. It has to come from you. It's like if you put it in a very technical sense, it's like would you rather have a device that needs batteries or that can charge itself? Exactly. That's just very efficient energy. And I feel like that's what fulfillment is to ourselves. Do you feel like people...

Like do you think people with big egos are the type to have big egos because of themselves? Let me elaborate. Do you think ego is bad? No, I don't think ego is bad. But I think it's bad to a point. Yo, Lucifer fell because of pride.

But do you think, what's the negative connotation of ego and what's the positive of ego? You have to have enough to believe in yourself, but not enough to hurt others. That's perfect right there. You know what I mean? Because the moment you hurt others detrimentally, that's a different story. Like think you're better or put other people down to bring yours up. Exactly, that's different. But bringing your ego up just from yourself is like a different type. That's a different type. But there's a line of that. And

for the greatest example is Kanye. Yeah, I was just thinking that he's the biggest ego of all. And it's like what you said is like, if my confidence doesn't like make you uncomfortable. Doesn't make other people uncomfortable. But there's a good and bad with that, right? Because depending on how it's taken, that could inspire people to another person that makes them want to give up. So I guess it really depends on who that person is and how they perceive it. But like, I feel like the negative connotation is

isn't like from that person it's from the other like from the people like receiving it so this is my like let's say this is my ego i'm at the top of my game like i'm the shit but i don't think i'm better like i'm not better than anyone but no one is better than me you know like i'm the best but i'm not better than anybody like i'm the shit so somebody could take that like wow i want that ego like that what you said like inspire yeah yeah yeah but that's based on their perception how they take it

but then take somebody else who sees life in a negative way, then it hurts them. - Exactly. - But it's not your fault. - But none of our jobs is to please anyone. - Exactly. - That's nobody's job. And I think when you focus on really what your true purpose is, regardless of anybody in the limelight, anybody speaking to you, any other influences, then you're gonna be doing the right thing.

Personally, that's what I think. Now, they did a test. This is a real test. And they wanted to test the frequencies of how people reacted. They actually hooked people up neurologically, right? Now, the first one they did, they wanted to see what emotion would give off the highest number. So they did sadness, obviously it was low. They did happiness, obviously it was high. Guess what the highest one was?

anger one of the highest ones was gratitude and like being grateful that was one that was like one of the highest yeah but the most like this is the super power one was being authentic uh so what's the difference between that so when someone was the most like themselves regardless like

They're literally existing how they would exist. Yeah. Regardless of anything else. Yeah. Like any person, any comment, any like interest they're into, they're exactly themselves. Yeah. And that gave off the highest frequency. Like the truest idea of yourself. Exactly. And then it goes back to what we were talking about. The idea of what Carlos is was...

An ideal first. So let me... I want to ask both of you then. So you know how Spider-Man's a thing with canon events, right? Do you guys think... Have you guys ever lived an event where you think that's supposed to happen and then you just came out feeling just so... Like happy? Like euphoric where just like... Not even like happy, just...

Like you feel like you could die today and like nothing and like you wouldn't even care. There's been moments I had that in like true, I guess, bliss. Like I had like moments of bliss. Yeah, like bliss.

Like there's moments that I was fucking sitting at the park and damn, this is some real shit, you know? But a candid event isn't just like bliss though. It's like something that changes your life. It changes your life, right? Yeah, yeah. Sorry, that might not be like the best example. But like I just remember, because from my experience, like maybe this will help you guys like form an idea. Okay, okay. But that day, like I had like that conversation in the bathroom, like from early, like when I released all that, it was kind of like an ego death.

Word. Yeah. Like just talking. That's just talking. Like I admitted like every single lie. Not I told about people, but like I told about my, to myself because the, the, the worst person you can lie to is yourself. Yeah. Because you know, it's true, but you're fighting it. Yeah. It's an internal battle. That's what I feel like.

like depression and anxiety mostly is is the internal battle in yourself not even with other people or outside things so yeah when I was finally able to just release it admit it like everything became so clear like Crystal clear clarity in my head like I like I felt like I could just like

Like there was just nothing like bothering me, nothing in my head at all. Like head empty, no thoughts. That's therapy, fam. That's who I am. But not in like a way of like, oh, I feel content. Like, oh, I feel like, oh, happy. Like I literally felt like, I remember after we had the talk, it was like five in the morning ish.

Or four in the morning. So this is what happened. So this is like my canon event. So that conversation is my canon event because it led to all these things. It literally lined up so perfectly. So I remember I went to bed. Like everybody was in this cabin. So there was like 20 of us. Everyone went to bed. I slept on the couch by myself in the living room. I was like, okay, let me just...

For some reason, I just wanted to play music. Yeah. For some reason, like, I just connect with music and emote. Yeah, yeah. And for some reason, I put Shuffle, every, like, most powerful song that, like, all my favorite songs, every song that ever impacted my life played music.

Back to back to back to back. Like if you put my life in a playlist, it was that. So for 10 songs straight, like freaking Living Single, Big Sean, Runaway Kanye West, like all of that shit that like played back to back. And I was just like, I felt like every word, like I felt like I was going through my life in my head and just everything. It just felt so clear. And I wasn't thinking. The crazy thing is,

I didn't have a single thought. I was just feeling, like truly feeling with no thought in my head. And then after that, I went outside. It was sunrise. Most beautiful thing I've ever seen. I took a picture. I've never seen anything like that. I felt so at peace, like true inner peace. My body felt like it was just going to float. And then I just remember thinking, the first thought in my head that finally came up after all of those emotions was like, if I died, I wouldn't care.

like this is from a deep talk right yeah like it like spiraled in because you never know how it like how things go for you yeah some people you talk to that impacts your life in a way so I remember that day I was just like yo

if I died today, like I actually wouldn't care. Like I am like the happiest and most peace I am right now. If you, if God took me back today, I wouldn't mind. Yeah. Have you guys ever had that like feeling ever? Yeah. I've like all the deep talks. I think I've, I've gone with people cause I love a good deep talk. Right. So I'm always, I'm always itching. Like even if it's a stranger, I'll try to get into, into those things that they'll never talk

about but I remember one time where I was like I had the same thing I was like drunk and stuff like that she was drunk too and then there was literally this feeling I don't know why but everything was like perfect yes and then you talk about your life and then she talks about your life and I remember there was one point where we saw like two shooting stars and

And shooting stars, you don't see. Like, they're rare as fuck, right? Because, like, how often do you look up? That's what I'm saying. So we were just, like, literally there, and it was like, yo, it was bliss. That's a good deep talk for me. It's just, like, that feeling of, like... Yeah. I know exactly that feeling, bro. So what if that's, like, that frequency of, like, peace? You know how it's, like, we're trying to get into, like, you said monks go, like, to tap in. Yeah. What if that final, like, frequency of peace is just...

To get deep with it though, I feel like certain people, because you can low-key achieve that. Like any point in your life, low-key. Low-key, but it's not going to be the same if you try to force it. If someone reciprocates that energy, oh, it's the best shit ever. I feel like for me, it's not about who's reciprocating the energy towards me. It's myself.

Yeah, I was going to say, because if, let's say you were super content, like out of nowhere and you find like true peace, but then nothing else that you wanted to like go after or accomplish gets accomplished. Do you think God puts like certain things in your head on purpose? Like, yo, you have to be worried that this won't come out. You have to be worried that this isn't going to be fulfilled. But how you're actually feeling now,

like what's the true feeling behind it you know cause like every action we do there's an intention behind it there's a purpose why do you do a podcast cause you cause I like talking but why do you like talking what's the feeling that it gives you cause I love people I love people and what does the feeling of like people give you

Like what's the true like reason you do what you do? - I guess it's connection, low key. - Connection, and what does connection with people make you feel? - I guess love. - And then why does love make you feel like you do?

Because I'm a loving guy. Yeah. It's like kind of like, like I said, like our hierarchy of needs. Like why do we eat, like why do we like cake? You know what I mean? Yeah. Because we like things that taste good, but why do we like things that taste good? Because we like to eat, so why does it taste good? But really it comes down to like our instincts of we need to eat. Mm.

you know? And so it's kind of like our purpose. Like I read this in a book where it's just like, everything just ties, like everything you do, you think that's the real purpose that you're doing, or do you think that thing gives you purpose? But you have to break it down. Down into that purpose. I see. That really gives it to you. Like, it's more like,

This is the purpose, but what's the intention behind it? You know what I mean? And so like you really gotta like really dig deep because like I don't know why I do the podcast like you you just told us it's because you love people but truly I will never know what you really feel only you will ever know that it's like you know when people say like there's that version of you you show to your friends and

And then the version of you, you only show it to yourself. Yeah, yeah. But I feel like there's one version of you that is always... That nobody sees? Even it's hard for you to see. That you really have to dig in. Really, yeah. But I feel like it's something that's there every day, but you deny it.

You know? Word? I don't feel that way, though. But, like, it's kind of like anxiety, you know? Or, like, you know the thoughts in your head? Yeah. Like, you always talk to... Like, you have a conscience that talks to your head. Like, at least for me personally, that's that version of me that even I don't...

even like to accept sometimes. The anxious feeling? The true version of who I am. Because like I said, anxiety for me, it comes from the battle within myself. So me and that really small, quiet voice in the back of my head. So it only comes out when you're like alone? Yeah.

No, just like in every setting because in every setting, I'm always like it's talking to me. It's not like it doesn't feel like me, but it is me. It doesn't sound like me, but it is me. It's like the true version of who I am. It feels like I'm speaking to my actual soul every day. And there's always like a little thing in the back of my head. And I feel like that is the most true form and the true idea of who I am. And like anytime I feel like I'm giving...

I'm like giving into it. That's when I feel like I'm my truest like self where I know everything is so clear. I think, I think it's, you can't really like simplify it like that. Yeah. I feel like it's, it's supposed to be like super complex because it's a whole person. Yeah. And it's experiences and shit like that. Like, yo, low key, the only thing I'm really anxious about still to this day is like dying.

Like, I don't want to die right now. Like, I have shit to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you got shit to do, right? I have shit to do. That's, like, my biggest, like, anxiety. Like, I can't go. I can't go right now. There's this couple that I know where it's, like, every, like, year, they say, okay, what if this was our last year? Like...

earth and it's what it's so cool what they do is like they write down everything that they wanted to do and Lily for that year they go out and do it which is so sick cuz it's like yeah you never know like when you're gonna go so it's like death is so like comforting high-key I think that made me live how I live yeah because I think about it kind of often which isn't good though like because I have anxiety being afraid of death is very is very tough on you yeah it's it

and it's not that like i'm i guess i am afraid but it's because i'm afraid that i won't be able to do what i want to do and i guess the way i live now is so like remember i said this on the podcast maybe a couple episodes like every single thing i do has a purpose yeah but it's kind of bad too because it's

should I force everything to have a purpose? Or am I just trying to like, is it that anxiety? I won't be able to do it. I have to do it. Right? So it's like a balance thing now. Yeah. Because I really want to make every single thing purposeful so that I can truly say like, I did what I wanted to do. Do you guys remember when you first started fearing death? Because I feel like that's not like...

Such a thing you do. I think it was like six. I think it was like six years old. No, I'd say I was like seven or six. Before bedtime. Really? What are your deep thoughts? Well, like, I just remember watching, like, there was this, I don't know what Fairly Oddparents episode. I think it was, like, where he wished that he didn't exist type thing. That's wild. And so, like, I started to think about that. And then I was like, you know what? Like, in a couple of years, I'm going to be gone.

Like my family's gonna be gone. Everything's gonna be gone. And when everything's gone, like when everything is taken away from you, who are you as a person? You know? Yo, you know what? Like if I really try to freaking psychological break down myself, you saying that, it makes me think, I think it's a concept of me wanting to live forever.

Because that's why I want to do all these things. Because I want to solidify a legacy. Why do I want a legacy? Because I'm breaking it down how you said. Why do I want a legacy? I don't know. Because I want to be still here. No, I still want to be here. Somehow. Somehow, exactly. Yeah, exactly. But it's like, would you be... Let me ask you. If you died today, would you be okay with it? No. No.

I mean, I wouldn't be okay with it, but I would be okay with it if it happened. It's not my choice, man. It's not my choice. If God said, this is how it plays out, this is how it goes, God's plan is greater than mine. Is there a party that would be disappointed?

that you couldn't live it up? - I fucking got scared, bro. I had a panic attack 'cause I was like, "Yo, what if..." And it scared me fam. Like I was dead ass like, this is the biggest panic attack I ever had. And I started thinking like, "Yo, what if I go early?" What if I die early? Like X. Nobody really cared about him until he passed and he became even more important. Then I got scared. I'm like, "Fuck, would God take me because I would be more important dead

Because that's what you want to solidify your legacy. That's why I was scared. And then I started thinking, no, I have to do more. There's more meaning. You feel like you still have a mission here. I still have a mission, yeah. Bro, I remember I capped so hard. So we were at an influencer event. And these guys were talking about how, oh, yeah, followers, followers, and shit like that, right? So there's a video of me saying this. I was like, oh, if I die right now, I'd be so happy because I influenced a bunch of kids to do good. And everyone's looking at me like...

What the fuck? And I know it myself. Like, if I die right now, fam, I still got shit to do. But I dropped that bar. I felt so proud because, like, at the same time, it's like, if I die right now, like, pray to God I don't, like, I would still be content that a lot of kids watch us. I had some influence. Or, like, my clothes traveled to places that I never went to, you know? So that's why I would be still happy. That's all. But, like,

that like like yeah you kind of like said that story like oh like it was a funny thing but that's just the true you man it came from somewhere it came from somewhere right and like I said like you don't know where it came from but it's always been there you know like you truly feel like

like, you know what? I did influence people. I did help people. My clothes did make it up. Yeah. Yeah. You know, but like, like, like in this generation when people say like, Oh, I don't know what I'm doing with my life. That's such a, they shit on that. But it's like, okay, as a 22 year old, you're not supposed to know everything. That's exciting, bro. Low key. When I hear someone like, Oh,

don't want i don't know what i want to do that's loki exciting because you can do anything yeah that means like you're a blank you're a blank canvas right now like you can literally choose exactly how you're gonna be put into motion like for me i'm already on the way like how i'm painting my picture but your picture you don't even pick the brush yet like you can really do anything the the mind is only like so i mean there's nothing really holding you back

Yeah, do you think it's because parents live different and there's so many different ways to live now? Is that why you think? I think because before our parents, just how life was back then, it wasn't about...

what we wanted for ourselves, it was more so just to like survive. Yeah. Cause like for my parents, at least immigrants, immigrants obviously moved to Canada with like $0. It was about like working to survive, to have a family, to like have enough money to have food on the table, have a family. They weren't thinking about having enough, having enough money to become a YouTuber, fulfill their dreams. They, they did the job.

to like survive, you know? But I feel like nowadays, like that's why I never take that for granted. Like I'm blessed that they did that for me because now I can live without having to like, yes, I still have to live to survive, but I still have the freedom to do whatever I want.

You know what I mean? But because like every kid was usually given an iPad or a phone when they were so young. I feel like that's why we changed so much now. And it's like, oh yeah, I want to be that YouTuber because since a child, you were put that in your hands. So it's like now it's like, oh, when are you going to get that degree? Now this generation is going to be like, oh, when are you going to start that YouTube channel? You know what I mean? Like shit changes. Like shit changes.

That is a thing now. It is a thing. When you see around people, people are always like, yeah, I'm going to start a YouTube channel. When are you going to drop content? That's all it is now. It's kind of like, oh, when are you going to go to college? You know what I mean? When are you finally going to get that degree? When are you going to do this? But see, that's the thing. Why is that such a pressure? Because YouTube before used to just be a thing. It didn't have the pressure on it. But now it does, I feel like. Because I think it's because...

people do it for different reasons a lot of people they even just do it just for money yeah even just for like to be recognized to be like I guess famous whatever but I think the ones that really I guess stay or stick around are the ones that they had something else they're trying to put out not that's not like dependable on monetary or

through attention. It's something else that they're trying to put out there for the sake of art.

Word, word. Because once you start worrying about that monetary stuff, then it just becomes a job because you're working for that money. So now you're not even working to just have fun. Now you're working like your parents, working to survive. Exactly. And so that's when it becomes stressful. But I feel like anything becomes like that just depending on how you look at it. Yeah, it depends. And it's hard. Everybody comes from different situations. Some people are really born into poverty and it's tough.

Tough to make it out. It's so tough, bro. Like, as much as I, like, say, like, I work hard, I'm also blessed, you know, that I was put in the position to be able to do this. Like, all the cards lined up so I could be here. But some people, like, can have the cards lined up, but it's so tough. That, like, it literally will break your spirit. And it's, like, whether you have the will to go through all of that and make it to the end or if you're just going to let that, like, break your spirit and, like, you can't, like, it won't, like...

it'll just demotivate you to doing it. You know what I mean? Yo, fam, and that's why, that's why, like, I see certain people that's done fucking battles in their career, and I give so much more respect because I think about how much battles it would've taken them to get there. Because a lot of people, they just see, oh, Drake's doing good. Like, oh, he's famous, blah, blah, blah.

I wonder how many times he wanted to quit. I wonder how many times shit didn't go his way. Or he thought, I would never do it. I would never make it. Exactly. But usually people just see what's going on right now. They don't see what it took to get there. Exactly. Like the dirt, the grime. Literally, like...

It takes, like, people always say, like, overnight success, but it takes a thousand nights to become an overnight success. You know what I mean? Because, like, that doesn't happen, you know? Some cases. Some cases you get lucky, you know what I mean? There's definitely outliers. See, like, I want to say that, like, let's say Charli D'Amelio. Everybody says overnight success, right? No, but she faces other shit, though. There's other problems that come with it that she didn't foresee. But think about it like this.

if she was never an actual dancer in her past, would she still be the Charli D'Amelio we know? Who knows, right? Those thousands of hours of dance she put in back in the day, TikTok was just the outlet that made it seem like it was overnight. But really, she had hours of blood, sweat, and tears. I don't know what she's gone through, but she has her own hardships, right? And everybody does. That's why I don't like...

Anyone who like blows up anymore. I try not to like like be like, oh they just look as an industry plan You don't know you never really know really knows like you don't know I change my mind but low-key

Like, she isn't... An industry plan is an industry plan, period. Like, if they got plug shit, they got plug shit. But I'm not discrediting anything else she tried to achieve. Because maybe her original plan wasn't that type of content and she was struggling with other types... There's other internal battles, fam. Like, isn't she like a mom? I heard she's like a mom of three. Yeah, she's like a mom. So imagine all the stress she has to face first. Yeah. Being a mother is like the hardest shit. What's wrong with being an industry plan? You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

I'd be blessed to be an industry player. Don't lie, don't lie. It's kind of sick. Would you? Okay, so have you ever watched the show, both of you, Severance? Nah, you always talk about this. So basically, Severance is...

when you sever their brain, whereas one half of your brain is only work life, and one of it is just your regular life. So let's say podcast, right? That wouldn't be possible for me. Yeah, well, because you like it, right? Oh, yes. But for people with nine to fives, right? Some people don't want to remember work. So everything at work that happens at work...

only your work self remembers that. And they don't remember anything from your personal life. But you in your personal life doesn't remember anything that happens in your work life. All you know is like the personal stuff. Yeah. So then it becomes like the ethical question of like, is that even ethical to separate your brain? Because your work self only experiences work

Like the bad, the negative thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? No, I don't think I would want that. So that's like the night people thing in Rick and Morty. Remember we were talking about this? So the night people, Rick invented this thing called the night person. Okay. And pretty much,

He came to Morty one day and he's like, look at my abs. I got six pack abs. I'm like, what the fuck? How'd you get six pack? Oh, I think I've seen this. So he said, oh, I have a night person. This night person. He works out for me. He works out for me when I'm asleep. But what happened is all of them ended up, like the whole family got night people. Yeah. But the night people started wanting to live longer, have their life outside of what they wanted to do because they became conscious. And that's exactly what happens in like the show. Like no spoilers, but like,

let's say because like there's like the way they the way they show it is like once they exit the door into work they come back right in because they don't know what happens right yeah yeah yeah what happens outside so it's just always work and they're like

clawing to get like have their own life. But then the head office person is like, you have your own life and you chose to sever it. This is your choice because this was never forced on anyone. Each of these people that severed their brain was by choice. Like they were either trying to escape something like grief. Like they didn't want to think about like work or they didn't want to think about grief. So they severed their brain. So like it cuts that part of their life out.

Would you, every day of your life, if you had the option, if like a bad experience, would you want to, if you had the choice to cut that out completely, would you do it? Yeah. Like what would you do if you had a night person?

I don't know. I would probably cut it. Like, I would want the bad and the good together. You know what I mean? Because, look, if, like, say I lift up my shit and said, I have abs now, but I didn't work for that. That doesn't count. It doesn't feel like you worked for it, but you did work for it. You did work for it. But you just don't remember. You just don't remember. No, I wouldn't want that. I wouldn't want that. That would be, like, such a contradicting my brain. Low-key, there's some shit I would want to do. I'm not going to lie. Like, there's some shit, but...

Like, we're talking as a whole. I don't think I would be, like, my life wouldn't be full. Because you'd have the destination without the journey. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it. That's exactly it. I don't know. Loki, there's some, like, filler episodes, fam. Like, washing the dishes? Yeah, there's some filler shit, bro. That's the problem with Rick and Morty. They're like, you didn't rinse your dishes. Like, rinse your dishes at least and we'll wash them. No, there's some filler shit in my life that I'm like,

you know what? But at the same time, that's the type of shit that once I have enough money, I will eliminate. You know what I mean? Like, I'll buy my time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that's what... Remember I said this before with my dentist? Way back in the early podcast. Yeah, this is like an early, early podcast. Episode three. My dentist, he pretty much said...

He doesn't spend his money necessarily on luxury, but he spends it on buying more time so that you can choose what you want to do with it, whether it be like with your family or whether it be for yourself is you buy time as in,

Hiring people to do things that you don't have to do. Personal chef if you don't like to cook. If you don't like to cook now, you have time to cuddle with your kids or whatever, right? Like personal driver so you can still do stuff in the car. Exactly. You know how much shit I've done in an Uber? Because I Uber everywhere. Fam, I'm literally working. Honestly? Answering emails and shit. I'm in an Uber, fam. Yeah, because I came from a drivable city. I can't walk. It's not walkable at all. You have to drive everywhere. So if you don't have your license...

You're fucked. You know what I mean? Everybody in my city, if you don't have no license, you get clowned. Because you can't go anywhere. But once I moved here and I started transiting everywhere, holy, the amount of much more time that you have in a day. Yeah, you're kind of just chilling. 30 minutes here and back, that's an hour of your day. And back home, if I drove 30 minutes or an hour total of driving, I'm just like this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that's the only option I have. But now that I have more time, it feels more blessed. Like I feel like even an extra hour of my day just feels like, wow, like I have an extra hour. Because I feel like most people, like if one freedom that they just can't grasp is the freedom of time. Like they're always like, oh, I got to do this. Then I got to take care of my kids. Then I got to cook dinner. And then I have no time for myself. And that's how people get depressed. Yeah. Because they have all these other like,

and other things that they have to take care of, but it takes up all their time. You know what I mean? And it hurts them because what do you do when you have no time for yourself? Yeah, that's why I fucking hate wasting time now. At least if I'm doing something to waste time, it's fulfilling, I guess, my mental health to calm down. Exactly. Because I guess those are the times I need to. Mm-hmm.

And if I don't, like, luck. Time wasted is only wasted when you see it as wasted. Yeah. You know, oh, you're wasting time playing video games, blah, blah, blah. Nah, but look, you need it sometimes, you know? You need that shit. You know, and, like, I get social with my friends. Is that really wasting if I'm happy and I'm social? Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? That's why I used to hate, like, when my parents would, like, say that. Like, my mom would always be like, oh, you're always playing games, you're always watching videos. But it's like, all that culminated to who I am today, the idea of me. Real shit, yeah. So was it really a waste? Because I wouldn't be...

where I am right now if that wasn't for that. Fam, you know how much fucking movies I watched like in high school? Who cares? And my mom and dad would have said like, you're wasting time. Like, do your homework and shit. You know how much movies I brought back to the park? No, real shit, fam.

and concepts and shit it's all from movies bro like you're mostly like a lot of your life is like influenced by media like anime like the lessons from that and stuff like from anime like Scarface or Kill Bill like that's like your big influences and stuff like what are like the movies that like change your life like not change your life but like

felt like shapes you? Oh. Karate Kid. Top three. Top three. Ferris Bueller. Word. Good one. Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Kill Bill Volume 1. And I want to say... Fuck. Is this old movie with these kids?

Fuck, I forget what it's called. Stand By Me. What is that one about? I don't know. So there's these kids and pretty much this is like one of the best 80s movies ever. But there's these kids and they just want to go on an adventure. And recently they heard there's a boy same age as them that he ran away from home.

And he died somewhere. And the theory was like, yo, he probably died by the train track and we should go look for him because his body's missing. They don't know where he went. So they went on the adventure to go look for this kid. But it was one of those so like heartfelt type of movies where it's really just kids together doing what they would have done on an adventure just like that. And it was just a lot of like what they're talking about at the time, sharing experiences, what they think about like

life when they grow up. And I don't know. That's us right now. That is us. That's how we're talking about right now. And it's a really good example of just, I guess, living. Like, it was a great, like, living movie that made sense. Just like life. Another one like that is...

Fucking Dazed and Confused. I don't know that one. It's another one. That's one of Quentin Tarantino's favorite. It's called a hangout movie. But literally all that happens in the movie is they just hang out. They literally just hang out. That's sick. No, but it's fucking fire. It's like movies about nothing. It's literally, it's low-key about nothing. There's shit that happens in it, but it's just fire. I don't know how to explain it. It's like so good. It's like why we like watching vloggers. Like nothing really happens, but they're just living. Yeah.

No, but vlogging is different because it's kind of, they kind of plan shit to go out. Right, right, right. I guess so. But in a sense of like a story that is just like,

It just feels, it looks like the movie is like a memory almost. Yeah, that's what it is. It's literally just like that. It's so good. I don't know. Do you reminisce with your boys about like fun shit that ever happened? Like debrief, you know? I'm going to make a movie like that one day. Like I need to make a movie like that. What's your top three? My top three? Karate Kid because I started Taekwondo. Like Mike because I started basketball. And then that adoption one with the family. I forgot. I forgot.

The one I forgot. With Dora? No, no, with Dora. Instant Family. Instant Family. That one, whenever I want to feel gratitude, I always go back to that. That's like my comfort movie. You know what I mean? Yeah, the comfort movie. The one that make you feel. That make you feel. You know what I mean? I think that's what comfort movies are. It's just like...

what really like shapes you but what sucks is back to that yeah but what sucks is like you know how you have like your comfort song or your comfort movie that you always go to and then like say like a girl breaks up with you right and you would go back to that comfort movie what sucks is that once a traumatic event happens and you go back to that comfort movie you can't go back to it again it depends on you it depends on you you'll always

- You always have that memory in your comfort movies, like this is not even comforting no more, 'cause I feel that traumatic moment. - To me, if you shared it for the reason of like, that's your guys' movie, sure. But if it came from you first, then nothing else should waver that movie for you. - Okay, okay, yeah, yeah. - You know what I mean?

Cuz like let's say you watched Karate Kid with your girlfriend. Yeah, you break up with that ruin Karate Kid for no I would know because that's that yeah, you're right. I'm speaking more turns like that was your guys Like I can't listen I can listen to like come and see me anymore sometimes yeah That's like one of those songs like every time I come see me I'm like, I'm here right now No

no ah okay what's your three shawshank redemption oh that's a good one like one of my favorite movies of all time spider-man one word yeah and then harry potter chamber of secrets two i don't know i don't know why i never really watched harry potter like that i can't i can't give like a reason why shawshank

is like dear to me. It's like a family thing. Harry Potter is like nostalgic, you think? Harry Potter, I think so, yeah, because like that was like one of the movies like my sister and I kind of grew up on and that kind of like

got me into the world of like everything is magical. Yeah. Like it doesn't matter like, oh, like that's the magical world. It's just a movie. Like to me, it's like, why is it just a movie? Why can't everything be phantasmical? You know, why can't it be like blah, blah, blah? And it's just a funny movie and I don't know why. Maybe it's just a feeling, but I don't know why that just feels like it just shapes me. You know, just the humor in it felt like very like that. Spider-Man is probably the most

I feel like is me. Like the first one, like when, like I love when Peter Parker is just down bad. Yeah, yeah. Because I feel like for me, with my life, I always think like, man, there's always like some other shit that happens. There's always something, you know? Like there's always something. But like, I like that struggle, you know? Like when there's always something. That's good. I like when it's like good for a while, you know? Like it's nice to coast and not have any struggle. But like when there's a struggle and you're like, oh, there's always something. But like because there's like a struggle, like I...

I like to figure out the person I'm going to be after I overcome him. It's like Peter Parker when he's trying to figure out how to be Spider-Man. All these things he has to overcome first, then he becomes Spider-Man. He's not Spider-Man, then he solves everything. He solves everything first, then he's Spider-Man. Yeah, I feel that. That's why I don't understand why Gavin hates Spider-Man.

Shit is wack. But he's just into movies in general. I don't like movies, especially cartoon ones. I like anime, what do you call this? Spirited Away, one of my top ones, right? But I don't know why, but...

The image of just a cartoon, when I've seen the live action with people acting in it, it just didn't hit the same no more. I have a friend like that, though. Yeah. I have a friend like that, though. He hates anime. He hates all... I don't hate anime. It's just like the style. It doesn't hit you. I like my movies in a certain style. You know what I mean? That's why the movies that I said, they're all live action. So what did you grow up with media-wise growing up then? Media-wise, it was like...

You watch a lot of family channels? So, you know, like, when you're growing up as a kid, like, the first thing you see on TV was, like, the umi-zumi and shit like that. But then there was, like, live ones where they would, like, read you poems. And, like, there was actually kids acting. Those hit more than the, you know, than the cartoon ones. See, that doesn't hit me, though. Does it hit you, like, that way? I'm, like, both, bro. He's both. I like both. But it's because it depends on what you... Because I saw this on, like, a podcast. It was, like...

why can I emote better when I watch anime or something like that? But it's like, because like for some people, just like the way you emotionally outlet, it's just, sometimes it's just, it just comes out in certain ways. Like when you watch movies, you know, cause like there'll be times where like, I should be sad at something.

but I'm not sad at the moment and I don't know why, but whenever I watch like anime or listen to certain music, that's when I start to feel, you know? And I feel like that's what it is. It's just like, it's,

these media, like media itself is just an outlet for your emotion to come out. Yeah, I think to the point of that, Gavin has a point with style because low-key, there's a lot of directors that could direct things in an anime style, like directing-wise. Yeah, yeah. And it would come out in that same emotion. But that's not what's popular with live action. Yeah, yeah.

They wouldn't do a movie in an anime type of, I guess, directing. Because when you eat, it's visual first. It's not what it tastes like. You have to see it and you have to be hungry. You know what I mean? So if I don't see something in my style, I'm already like, nah.

Yeah, so you already have like a bias. You have a bias. It could be the best thing ever, but if it looks gross, you're not looking at it. That's what I'm saying. You know what? Josh is the opposite. So he hates seeing live action. He can't watch live action. He doesn't like live action. He doesn't like live action at all. Damn. Like he watched like a couple, but like he just can't do it. I like to say I'm a mix, but there's certain, but like you said, like you don't like some cartoon stuff. I don't like some live action stuff. Depends on what it is, like whatever genre. It's like how we don't like certain versions, like genres of music. Yeah.

Some people don't like EDM. Some people don't like rap. Mm-hmm. I feel like there's not one... I guess there is, but every single movie that I watch, I don't regret watching. If that makes sense. Okay, yeah. Even if it was bad? Even if it was bad. That's how you choose. Yeah, I don't really regret it, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even if it was terrible. It's an experience. Yeah, look, it's an experience. Now I can see, I can put this... Because I feel like the more I watch, and I watch hella, but the more I watch, I can see the scale. Mm.

And I can make a better judgment of what's what. And then that's why I rate shit like that. That's why Spider-Man in Spider-Verse 2 is a 6.5. See? Okay, but see, like, when I went to Rolling Loud, right? After Ray Shurmur performed, I listened to their music so much more just because of that feeling. So I want to ask you...

That interaction that you had with Shameik Moore, does that affect your love and passion for Spider-Man? Oh, because you didn't have a good experience. So no hate to Shameik Moore. So Fan Expo. We went to Fan Expo, right? And I didn't know that this was going to happen, that Shameik Moore, the voice actor for Miles Morales, was going to be there signing pictures and taking pictures or whatever, blah, blah, blah, signing autographs.

And so I was like, yo, I want to meet him. Like, let's go. And then I went to go see him. I was like, yo, there's like no line here. Like he's like, he's right there. I was so hyped. And then as it was going on, as he's interacting with more people, he was just like, he was just, he was literally like that. He's just like, this is how he's sitting. He's just like,

next person is like oh like an autograph nice yeah yeah um he's an npc and then he was like so then i was like i was like kind of like i was talking about girl i was like is it me or does it look like he doesn't want to be here it's just yeah he's on npc and then i was like you know what like okay so once in a lifetime experience i don't care like let's go take a picture with my girlfriend was like you know what you watch the movie all the time yeah go see him i was like okay

okay so I was like so happy I was like yeah paid for it boom he's like one autograph I get there they put it on like a post one autograph or no one picture and then he's got it he's like last one right and I was like yeah last one of the day like I know you're tired we get the last one yeah I was the last guy I was like

I was like, all right, last one. I was like, yeah, last one. I know you're tired, bro. And like, I know you might be like, like, no, I didn't say grumpy. I was like tired from just like everything. But so thanks for the time that you're giving me right now. And he's like, it's like, yeah, man, no problem. But he was just like, all right, let's get it done. Yeah. And then we took the picture. Picture looks nice. But behind the scenes, it didn't feel that way. And like, I,

I don't know yet if it ruined Miles Morales and Spider-Man for me. Because I feel like once you watch it again, you'll always just think about the movie, man. I'll be like, ooh, awesome movie. But Maz didn't want to really meet me or talk to me. I think about that all the time. Whenever I meet a stranger that watches a podcast, I always...

I always make sure, okay, I have to give the best fan experience of my life. Every single person. Exactly. Because I don't know how it's going to affect them. When people come up to you, what's your go-to? What is like, oh, you're Jumper's Jump. You're Gavin from Jumper's Jump. What do you say? I just be like, oh, thank you for supporting me. I don't care what I say. I match the energy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I do. Fuck what they're saying. Like, not fuck what they're saying, but you know what I mean? Like...

There's like no script in your head. No, yeah, like I just want to connect to them on how I would connect to them. That's it. Yeah, because for me, whenever like if anybody ever comes up, I'm always like, oh, like hi, I was like, what's your name? Like I always ask their name because it feels more personal. Because you know, because like that's what I would have wanted from Shamik more like, ask my name, bro. Like, how are you? But it was literally like, all right, let's just get it done. Mm-hmm.

Like you know what maybe he is tired because I was the last one sure but for me personally I don't think I could be like that bro. Yo, so I went I went to the comic like writers area. Yeah, damn I got I got comic signed by the current writer of spider-man

nobody at his booth. Because nobody really cares, right? Except for like the comic nerds, I guess. I remember we were there too. Yeah, I was so sad for them. Yeah, but I finally got my, I got it signed and I had a real conversation with them. Like, oh, yo, what's up? My name is Carlos. I just want to introduce myself. Talk about the podcast and stuff like that. And he was a genuine ass guy. And like he said, like you said, I wish he asked my name.

He remembers my name like you remember my name when you were talking like when you first said it to him. Yeah So Carlos, yeah, like you know, that's what feels good, bro Cuz I do that with any interaction I have I always ask the name that's just how what I learned like people just like to be recognized Yeah a person and that's the most human it can get your name. Yeah. Yeah, thanks like what he didn't even be like Oh, what should it cuz I wanted to hear was miles Morales say my name in the voice, fam. I was like, hey

Hey, I'm Sam, man. And then he's going to go to bed. His name to Shamik Moore was the last one. Yeah, exactly. So now I'm just like, I'm just the last guy in line, bro. And it kind of hurts, man. But, you know, does it ruin Spider-Man? I don't know. But there are some people that, like, when you meet them,

It makes things better. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Low-key, when we met the Just Kidding guys... Just Kidding, soup, like, fam, like, I loved them even more. That's the realest one, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like, when you meet certain people, like, you just tune in more, too, now. Like, you watch more Jumpers Jump after you meet you guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, like...

For me, artists, when I see them live, it changes. Some people I'll see live and I don't like it, I won't listen. Isaiah Rashad, nah. I saw him live once and it was mid. Now that I listen to his music, it still hits, but it's not the best. But...

Sway Lee. I went to see Sway Lee, bro. He's a performer. Performer. Amazing. Only like 40 minutes to an hour, but he put it all in. He put it on his show. I was literally like 25. It was like 25 bucks for a ticket. You know, just get in line and see him. I was like, wow.

Like and now I'm like why am I listening to like Sway Lee like I never listened to Sway Lee on a daily Yo, I'm person lucky I went to Lucky's concert and Lucky does not perform like he goes He's just a restit there rubs his belly and shit like that. So like whenever I listen lucky now, she think about it boring Anyone that ruined stuff for you at all

Or made it better. For me? He ruins people's careers. What do you mean? So whenever he goes to a solo artist concert, they fall off right away. Yo, I don't know why. We can't even name it because it's like they're close to home though. Yeah, we can't even name them. But like, let's say an artist is popping off. I'll go to their concert and all of a sudden the artist falls off. Maybe that's why when you didn't go to Billie Eilish the first time. See?

Did I tell you that? No, you didn't. So I was going to go to Billie Eilish when her tickets were $15. Nobody knew who the fuck Billie Eilish was. And it was awkward, right? Because I really, really wanted to go because I was into the music. But I'm not going to go ask my homies, you know, are you trying to see Billie Eilish? No.

You know what I mean? And my sister was too young at the time to bring. Because I was like, I think I was like grade 10. That's how early I knew Billie Eilish. Damn. So I didn't go to her concert when she was on the come up. Word. If I went to her concert. Yo. She would have never been up, fam. Crazy.

crazy theory alright we'll end it there cause we're running out of time but thank you everyone for watching this episode of the Jumper Jump podcast thank you so much for Emson coming through our special guest today go check out his socials down in the description below make sure to go on Spotify Apple make sure to download those episodes we love you guys man and if you guys reach the end say yo what's up Emson down in the comments alright Jumper Jump out deuces deuces