EP.142 - BARBIE MOVIE THEORY, TRAVIS SCOTT BIBLICAL THEORY & ETHAN'S TRUE GHOST STORIES
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Look, look, he's already smiling. Why? No, no, because whenever you start the fight, you always do that shit. Why? I can't be happy when I record? What the fuck was wrong with being happy? It's like getting my moment, what's wrong with that? That's how he starts. It's all Bobby? Why can't I do that? You roll up to the camera so good, you're like... Because I know I'm about to spit some shit, that's why. Yeah, yeah. Alright, buddy. Yeah, okay, look, a basketball player goes onto the court, is he going to go with confidence or is he going to go like...

Yeah, for sure. I mean, fuck that. Facts. If you're doing your thing, if you're doing your job, feel me, as an actor, do you approach the set confident or do you approach the set, like, nervous? Yeah, you have some confidence. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. But it depends, like, what scene, though. Oh, because, like, if you're playing a character that has to be, like, sad and you can't be confident? That's why if there's a heavy scene, I don't talk to them. I have to get in the zone.

You have to not talk to people? If I have an interaction, it'll snap me out of it. I'll be like, oh, fuck. Oh, shit. I'll forget. It'll kind of distract me from like... There's a scene I did. I had to cry. Yeah. What I do is I think about all the sad experiences I went through and I try to empathize with the character. So I have to think about that. I have to sit with it. And I just let it... Do you ever do self-harm?

- Oh, that's crazy. - That's crazy. - No, 'cause if you think about it, if I hurt myself, then I would feel hurt, no? - But that's different from physical, right? - It's like emotional pain is different. - Emotional, like if you're dating someone and you know you're gonna play a depressed ass character, you would have to break it off with them to act better. It doesn't work like that. Yeah, when I'm on set, if it's a scene where I'm just chilling with friends or some shit, I'm gonna talk to you like I normally do, like I'm gonna have fun, whatever.

But you have to be like on game time still. Yeah, it has to be like serious, yeah. So do you think acting in a certain way makes you become a person? And then you can decide whether you want to still be that person after? You become more like emotionally mature. Because you like, you understand your emotions. No, because you understand exactly like how you would react into it. Yeah, that's kind of true. So like, and like there's things like, oh, I thought that would make me sad, but it doesn't.

Have you ever had to play like a romantic role and you're like and you have to did you actually fall in love with the Like the the person you're like yo, that's a hot thing right now No, no, but that's like a good question though like That's the reason why so many co-stars like into relationships because

Because they do like... They actually fall in love. Yeah, they actually do because they have to pretend like they are and they're with each other every single day. So they're manifesting it then. Yeah, basically manifesting. That's why like you see like actors that are dating, it never works out. That's why Tom Holland and Zendaya are like together because think about it, they did three movies together? Yeah, that's a lot of time. Oh, so it's like spending that much time in that emotion makes you in love. Damn. Damn, yeah.

Damn. Cause you know the Mr. and Mrs. Smith story, right? So Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt was dating who? Jennifer Aniston from Friends. Rachel from Friends. But the moment he started shooting Mr. and Mrs. Smith, he started dealing with Angelina Jolie cause it was very like super romantic, very intimate and shit.

And he ended up having an affair. Because supposedly, right after the movie, that's when they broke off and they started dating. That's what happens. And they got married and everything. So all actors are cheaters, huh? I'm just kidding. Nah, relax. But I don't know. I feel like a lot of actors, could you really know their true self? You have to though. I swear you have to. Do you ever show your true self on camera? I want to know that.

That's like, that depends. It depends, right? It also depends like what you do, like what you act in.

It depends if it lines up with who you are. Also depends how good of an actor you are. I feel like the best place to really see an actor's true personality are interviews after the movie. How you know if they're a good person or not is how they handle their patience. When I was doing my interviews,

If any actor, like, lead actor is doing interviews for a movie, they're there the whole day. They're just, like, for, like, 12 hours just sitting there answering the same fucking questions all the time. Like, some actors, you'll see them, like, kind of get annoyed and shit. That's when you're, like, oh, you're, like, kind of not truly, like...

like a patient person whereas like I feel you watch like Keanu Reeves like he's always like normal like plateaued calm and he's like happy all the time yeah that's why I fuck with like the interviewers that go out their way and just have a normal conversation because I feel like that's when you know

Yeah. The real person. Yeah. It's not like, oh, how did you find acting in this role? It's not like that. It's like, what did you eat today? Like, oh shit. And then he finally snaps into his own person. Yeah, because it's more comfortable. Because I feel like if you're going to interview anybody, you have to kind of relate to them on some point. And then you can dive into deeper. Because I think interviewers, their job is, this is what's on paper. Yeah. Fucking check off the box because that's what you're paid to do. Mm-hmm.

But a proper interviewer would kind of like warm them up, fill them in. And then like, you know, tease them a little bit here and then get them to do other things to speak their mind on the topics that they wouldn't usually. Yeah. Same as persuasion. Facts.

One thing that surprised me, though, that you said, because you said that you couldn't do rehearsals and auditions in front of a friend. You would have to do it in front of... I couldn't do that either. Fuck that. The one thing I remember, so we were in the living room and Carlos was like, yo, I'm going to rehearse my lines, right? And he was doing like this depressed ass role, right? And then he looks, he tries it, he looks up to me, he's like, bro, I can't, you're too happy. Yeah, he's like laughing at shit, like how am I going to do that? Yeah, like there's certain people that you can't do it. Why is that, though? It's like...

It determines like your comfort. Yeah, but wouldn't you be comfortable with a friend? But it's like it's like a different like on like a different No, you know what it is? This is exactly what it is. So, you know when we're playing Roblox at one time? Okay. With Dino and we're playing like the horror game. But my Roblox character had a Spider-Man hat and like a Halo suit. Got you. So Dino's like, bro, you're ruining my realism. Mmm.

So it's like that. It's like, I wouldn't be sad in this moment in front of you. So it's not true to myself. Because your body, I feel like to me, when you're acting, your body knows. Your body knows if it's true or not. And then like, you put somebody in the room that kind of vibrates a certain way.

it just won't work out regardless because I think they just have that frequency just sets you off especially like a homie you're really close to the best person to do an audition with is someone you just don't really care about really because it's like you don't care what they'll think you don't care if they're gonna judge you

like frankly there is the the aspect of like they're not gonna give you good feedback because they don't care either which is why I like doing an audition with like your parents or really close siblings are like also really good really yeah it's like it's like a in-between it's like you have to find a balance between like whether you want the person to like judge you or whether you like you care to be judged or if you don't care to be judged mmm so like sometimes when I do like really

like auditions where i have to like sort of like sweet talk a girl or something right yeah yeah i'm not gonna do that with my mom yeah it's weird i'm gonna go to like you know find like a session or like yeah a friend is fine too but most most of the time i'm gonna go like to a session just book for an hour and then do it has there ever been like a role you really wanted to play oh my god um there steven spielberg's daughter was doing a movie is she bad she was

What? Why? So, like, I guess she just, like, felt she wanted to, like, direct as well. And her dad's a director, too, so she already has an in in the industry. So she did, and then she was, like, leading this TV show. I forgot what it was called. I don't know if I can name drop it, but I auditioned for it, and...

The character was like really sick. It was like a story about like how there's like an apocalypse and there's a virus that wipes out the entire population. Oh, that's fucking real. But the only people that are immune are kids. So only kids are immune. And you look a kid. We were talking about that because your character is such like you can put it in like everything. Yeah, no, no, for real. But Carlos' is like how many Asian villain roles are there?

There's not a lot. There's not. But the Asian that gets beat up? Yeah, they got you. They got a lot. But that's a subconscious thing. Because...

Everyone who's writing stories and making movies, they were never bullied by the Asian kids. That's true. So why would they ever put the Asian kids as a bully? If anything, the Asian kids always being picked on, which just shows like what their experiences was, what they think is realistic. Yeah, that's true. But now everything's switching. So hopefully like I can make a breakthrough and shit. Because there's no like, I was telling Gavin, there's no like dark Asian thing.

Shit, I guess figure yeah, Loki if I got into the field I would get more more parts than you because I'm that Asian that you can throw in and they'll bully me But that's a role. That's like a heavy role. They play, you know, I can't play no villain, you know Yeah, like it's it's very common to see like a Asian get bullied in this yeah, I know which is weird. Yeah

Even in like the recent fucking we were talking about this before uh What's that show called Chinese born American American born Chinese American born Chinese same shit But the only problem I had with that it was it was like they're building up They were trying to build up this show to kind of like represent this generation of Asian kids But when they're doing that

They're bringing back all the stereotypes that came with the past. Yeah. Like, so they're trying to show, yo, there's new times. We shouldn't talk about these old stereotypes. But they show the stereotypes first. That's so stupid. Yeah. It's so dumb. Like, why would you even have to show it in the first place? That's funny because I, the recent feature I did was with Benoit, the lead. Yeah. So he played the other Asian kid.

that i'm supposed to beat up it's it's a long story it's a long story but i never because that's funny because you told me about about that show about the show yeah and then like a week later yes yeah i'm on set with him i never asked him about it because i was like loki's scared but like i like when i watched the first two episodes i was like yeah i like it they're like bringing awareness to it but at the same time they're kind of like perpetuating what is wrong yeah so what's your take on barbie yeah yeah what's your take on barbie

No, no, it was good. It was good. No, it was good. It was okay. Okay, personally, I think it was a good film to make. I think the switch from being like Barbie to Sirius was like crazy, like so drastic. The moment, like, I feel like that's also like,

what they want to do because once they got to the real world, things got real. You know? It became more serious. That's probably what Greta Gerwig was doing. But I think if you compare the beginning of the movie to the end, it's like a completely different movie. I mean, the only thing I don't like about it, and I see this in a lot of things...

Studios will purposely make f*cking movies just to make everybody hate each other. And that's what Barbie was. It was made to make girls and guys go against each other. It was made to make them like disagree. It was made to make like guys angry so that the girls get angry and the guys see the... I mean the girls see the guys in a certain way.

You know what I mean? It's like, they want you to fight. They even created a division in the movie theater. Or you're going to see Oppenheimer or you're going to see Barbie. It's true too. You're not cool if you see that one. You know what I mean? Yeah. But that's not... I feel like that's... That's just marketing. It's just marketing, yeah. That's just going to drive more people to watch the movie. Both movies anyway. And also like...

Oppenheimer is much more... It's like more of like a visual experience. Whereas Bobby's more like emotional. It's like a fun... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bobby's more like an emotional...

experience visual experience when the girl gets eaten up for like five fucking minutes very visual i don't even know that's in the movie i gotta go watch it i searched it up i searched it up and supposedly all the scenes together added up to like maybe 10 to 15 minutes holy shit which is the full it was awkward man see that's the type of i hate how like there's good movies that you have to watch but you can't watch with your parents yeah you know those ones are you're supposed to watch something in the family room yeah

I saw so many comments that were like, I want to go watch Off and Hire with my parents. And there's like that awkward scene. And they're just sitting there fucking watching. Wait, I didn't watch it, but was it like silent at all? You were like... Yeah, like, it's like close to it. Yo, fam. Because you have to like, I remember watching me and my parents, we would go to Blockbuster to get a movie, right? We would make you watch a movie. And I would always look at like, hmm, would this movie have a sex scene in it? Just so I can be like, okay,

Let me try to predict when it's gonna happen in the plot so I can go tie my pee. I walk out and go pee. When I come back, I missed it. So I don't have to sit through awkwardly and look at my parents like that or something. Or the close your eyes type thing. That's when you go on your phone.

Alive? Yeah, it was like, look away, look away. No, but the first one I ever experienced was when the Transformers one. Yeah. When Megan Fox was running through the screen and her titties were going crazy. And that's when I moved. And I was like, they thought I left, but I was just watching it through the, like, I was at the stairs. Word. That's crazy. I was watching it from the stairs, like, in the living room. I was like, yeah, I gotta watch this. See, I was smart with it. So, like, if there was a scene I really wanted to watch, my parents were like, look away. Yeah.

I would look at the window. But why the window? The reflection. The reflection, man. Yeah, yeah. You're smart still. You're smart. But bro. I was still watching that shit. Oh, man. Nah, but there's a theory on Barbie. Okay. I don't know if you heard this one yet. No. But there's a theory that, you know Elf? Buddy the Elf? Yeah. The Christmas movie? He was in it? So there's a theory. Buddy the Elf

It's connected to the Lego movie and the Lego movie is also connected to Barbie, which is also connected to Elf. What the fuck? So check this out. So Buddy the Elf, what was he really good at? He was really, really fucking good with toys, making toys. But also remember that scene in the mall where he builds a huge like Empire State with Lego? Yeah. So you know how in the Lego movie, Will Ferrell...

who played buddy the elf was the big boss the dad in the lego movie and then in the basement of the room he had he had like a whole city made out of what legos yeah and big skyscrapers just like how buddy the elf would have made now we know in the lego movie that the the boss dad

Played by Will Ferrell, was a boss of some big company, and that's why he's like that. That's how he's kind of like treating his kid like that. And Barbie, we see Will Ferrell playing what? The boss. A boss. The CEO. The CEO. Because also, if you watch the beginning, the intro of the Lego movie and the intro of Barbie, it's identical. Word. Is it actually? Yeah. It's very close. It won't be like completely identical, but like the whole morning routine and all that is like...

the same it's insane now you want to get even deeper okay so you know how an elf when he's traveling to the real world yeah what do we see this sequence of like the the art and then he's like um trying to trek through the fucking snow that's exactly what we saw in barbie bro so it makes sense they use the same magic remember when they're leaving barbie world and coming back into barbie world it's the same type of trek

So Buddy the Elf used the same magic to make Barbie World. In the Lego movie, didn't they go through different worlds too to get to place? Yeah, same shit. What the hell? Yeah, so it's all connected, fam. It's all like a toy multiverse. What? It's like a toy multiverse. Lego movie. I understand Disney and Pixar and stuff, but that's crazy. Yeah, those three movies, I would not expect. But it's just Will Ferrell lore. It's just a theory. The thing is, Barbie was written originally in 2016. Oh, really? Around that time.

That's when Lego Movie came out? When did Lego Movie come out? I think it was around that time though, 2016. Yeah. Remember that Everything is Awesome song? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was like 2016. That was 2016. So, Barbie, the original Barbie, the way it was written, we don't know the way it was written, but they wanted Amy Schumer to play the lead. Mm.

But she declined it because apparently it wasn't too feminist. Oh, that's why? Apparently she said that to Mattel and Sony that it was scheduling conflicts. But in a later interview, she was like, creatively, it wasn't the same with me. I didn't like it or something like that. She was the writer. Or she was the lead. She was the lead, I think. And then she also took part in some of the writing. Yo, Margot Robbie's better anyway, fam. Lucky she killed that role. Mm-hmm.

She carried honestly if it wasn't for her like or Ryan Gosling Ryan Gosling is right remember in the theater. I like yeah, he carried he carried I like whispered over the cause I'm like no Ryan Gosling is carrying Nah Simu Lee Simu Lee He carried bro chill bro put some respect on our Asian brothers bro we're all Asian bro

Okay, well, what do you think about like um rappers making movies now cuz what rappers making movie java Scott circus Maximus I think that's just like uh through the mind of Travis Scott I don't know that wasn't because he went he went to the theater and like he sat with people buying the movie I don't know. I don't watch. I actually don't know I could comment down if you watch this watch the movie. I can't really say for sure Okay, what's your thoughts on utopia utopia? Really? I low-key at first I was like

That's what I'm saying. There's like two songs I like. It's exactly the Donda effect. Dude. It's exactly Donda. I listened to it. There's only two songs. I like Parasail and Till I... The last one. The very last one. Telekinesis? No, no, no. The one after that. Yeah, I know. It's something no. I don't know. Till I... Something. So that one and the last one. Yeah. But right now, it's like on repeat right now. And I'm listening to like Meltdown. I'm listening to like Fiend and other ones. Yeah, yeah. It's like...

it's actually not that bad it's growing fam cause you know what it is it's just we're not used to the sound and then the more we listen to it we come on to that frequency of it okay but what about Lil Uzi's new album I didn't like it at all I love Pink Tape that was better than Utopia I hate it though I hate it if you go hit for hit how different can it be yeah no but I think later on like we're talking about long term impact obviously Utopia is gonna like

have more of the impact. Because this is just a Rage album. Pink Tape was just an experiment. I just don't like Uzi anymore because he's satanic. Yeah. Bro's just fucking satanic. Like I listen to it, I just don't feel the vibe. He's trying to do Asian face low key. Yeah. Really? Did you not see his album, the video covers? He's got that Asian... It looks like that, bro. No, no, but... No, you know what it was? You know what it was? Because he called himself Leslie. Yeah, Leslie. You know why? No. So,

So you know how Aiden Ross was like, "Oh, Uzi just called me and he said I can only refer to him as Leslie now." He changed his persona to Leslie. You know why? Because he went to Thailand. Now, why is that important? Check this out. You're gonna spit out your drink bro. Check this out. Ladyboy? No way. Nah. Okay. Leslie is the name of the Asian guy in Hangover 2.

Wait. Oh, wait, I watched? Come on, buddy. Oh, what the fuck? My voice changed. It was like robot. I was like, what the fuck? I watched that. Because we're using a different board. But yeah, it's Hangover 2. Leslie Chow. Yeah, I remember him. Leslie Chow. The guy who kidnapped the wrong guy? Yes. Oh, shit. Yeah, that's why Uzi's naming himself Leslie. Why?

Because you went to Thailand and he was like vibing it out. You know what I mean? You wanted to be like Leslie Chow. It's just inspiration. But the reason why I fucked with Utopia after is because it's like, did you catch like the whole thing? Like what he was trying to tell you? Yeah, I said it on my story. No, no, no. Like, so Utopia was the whole thing was like...

Travis Scott was trying to portray a utopia, right? And then at first, he portrayed like he was neither in utopia or dystopia. He was just living his life, right? Because he said something of like, oh, the situation we are in is neither good or bad, right? And then throughout the album, he tries to show you what a utopia is. And then the Drake song, the girl was like, I thought you were going to take me to utopia. And then Drake's like,

this is a utopia. And then the girl's like, no, but I thought it was supposed to be perfect. And then Drake was like, nah, this sounds perfect to me. So it's like trying to tell you like your utopia and your utopia might be different from mine. Right? And then the billboards, I don't know if you caught this. The billboard said,

Can I find utopia in a liquor store? Can I find utopia in a bank? That was Travis falling for fake utopias. Like, oh, how can I find my happiness in this and that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? And then at the end, the bar where he says, because he finds it, and then he says, I can't wait to live in glory and everlasting life. Yeah. That's when he found his utopia at the end. And then they gave you a question of like, oh, what are you going to do after this? Yeah. Which is fun.

like after I I seen that message I was like respect because it told it told the story the whole way through not a lot of rappers are doing it no because my whole take on Utopia was that fam you can tell like he's been fighting spiritual I said this on my story like he's fighting spiritual warfare listen to the whole album and listen to the lyrics it's all about like it's pretty much Donda where he's talking about God he's talking about

going through spiritual damage and fighting demons and shit. Now, there's this one piece in it where he pretty much talks about like, it's the end. You know where he's like, fuck, I'm gonna pull up the lyrics. But he says, oh, he says, might as well turn up now. Fuck, let me get the exact lyric for you. Let me play it actually. Look.

Huh? No, I'm just like, "Tobi is shit." -Tobi is fire, bro. -Pingtaeng. Listen, listen, listen. 'Cause he says this. So, you hear what he said there? Yeah, the trumpets. So, "Might as well turn up now. He might pop up unannounced. Do you hear the trumpets? Do you like the way it sounds?" -Yeah. -You know what that is? Is that God coming down or some shit?

Isn't that God? Yeah, so in the book of Revelation in the Bible fam. Jesus. Yeah, in the book of Revelation, they say during the end of the world, we're going to hear seven trumpets. Seven angels playing seven trumpets each or one trumpet each. Now, I have a theory, bro. This is crazy. But I think Travis's Utopia album is all music for the apocalypse.

No, I thought it was for people with shrooms. That too. That too, but hear me out. So since we know, like in the Bible, it says we're going to hear seven trumpets. What if trumpets is a metaphor for a music artist? Because trumpets, like, hmm, trumpet, somebody would have played the trumpet. An angel played the trumpet. And what type of music do we hear now? We hear it on the radio. We hear it wherever we're listening to it.

Now what if there's like seven people that will kind of spread this message and once that seven person is done making their music, it's the end of the world. So far it might be like two out of seven or like three out of seven. Like you know Ye made an album like that. Trav did an album like that. Maybe like Justin Bieber. Yeah it's like Marvel DC. So on Marvel side you have Cardi, you have Uzi, and you have Beyonce.

DC side you have the good people like like you said yay Trav and thing. Yeah, it's like whose side you're really picking Which is scary, bro. It's scary. Yeah, I was listening to that song. Um, was it telekinesis? Yeah, and I'm like fuck what if it what if this is actually what if this is actually the end of the world like what is it this is this is straight up like The prophecy being fulfilled. Yeah, and these are your last days. Yeah

Would you do anything differently? Like, how would you live? And I started thinking to myself, like, fuck, is there something I really, really, really want to do that I'm not doing right now? Yeah. How would you live? Would you live different? No. No? I feel like I'm doing the same thing I would do anyway. Yeah. Like, there's not really much you can do.

I think the biggest thing I would change is like just being more purposeful with what I want to do. I just don't want to just do random shit just cause anymore. This guy says, yeah, but wakes up at 4pm. Bro, I didn't wake up at 4, fam. You do that too, fam. But I woke up early today. I woke up at 10. Do you ever feel like, okay, like,

Like, do you ever have that guilt where it's like, oh, I should try to get a routine now because, like, I feel like I'm wasting? No. Or you don't feel like that? Sometimes I get that, bro. I've tuned into, like, a... Because I work based off, like, contracts. So I'll work, like, a month really hard, go grind, go hard. And then the next month I'll just rest. Yeah, that makes sense. Like, my parents haven't really cared that I've been waking up late because they know I've been, like...

working the entire month before. Yeah, that's good. Like, no, I'm just chilling now, you know? So, like, it's, like, it's okay. But, like, that doesn't mean, like, they obviously get annoyed. Like, when you're, like, saying that to your parents, like, do they get mad if you sleep in? No. No, my parents don't see me every day. Yeah.

It's different for you because you see your parents every day, right? No, I think they would get mad if I wasn't doing something already or I didn't have an income. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? So like jobless and I'm sleeping, oh yeah, get off the fucking couch. You know what I mean? Word, yeah. That makes sense though. If I was a parent, my kid was like not working at all and sleeping all day, fam, come on. Do something with your life. Yeah, that's true. You know how it was crazy? Like, you know the NPC thing on TikTok? Yeah. Where they go, thing.

Thanks for the apple. And then make money, yeah. Thanks for the apple. Like taking a guy can literally set up a camera. Oh, you can set up a buck tea and just like. Yeah, you can literally set up a camera and do shit yourself. Like that's how easy money is. Ice cream's so good. Yeah, yeah. Ice cream's so good. And then did you see the guy where, so the guy was like, there was a heckler. He was like, don't stoop to that level, idiot. And the guy, he was like, thanks for that. He's like. The Miles Rouse guy. Yeah, he's like, what you say, bitch ass motherfucker? Don't ever say that shit again, I'll beat your ass. And then he went back.

Thanks, man. Wait, is that the guy that says hamburger with no mustard? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that? No, it's the Spider-Man guy. It's the Spider-Man guy. It's the Spider-Man guy. It's the Spider-Man guy. There's another guy, though? There's another guy, and he did that before, and he sounded really goofy, but it was really funny. I remember it was like...

Right after COVID, he started blowing up. Yo, they're doing everything now. Anything, any like character, any cosplay. Yeah. I see so much of them now. And bro, it's a hustle. Yeah. You know what I mean? Might as well do it. Panhandling now has gone to TikTok. There's a guy with a sign saying, send gifts. Instead of outside sending money, no, send gifts. No, that's a thing. Yeah, panhandling. I came across one and it's like, it's like this guy and they're definitely living in a third world country. Yeah.

He has a bunch of kids in front of him and he just has a sign like, oh, I need to feed my kids. Can you send me money? I'm like, fuck.

holy shit it's really come to this wait he's probably making money he is making money if he wasn't he wouldn't be doing it he wouldn't be doing it exactly so I guess it's a good thing but at the same time it's weird to see it in this format it's like the world's gonna change regardless and we're gonna see it change right in front of us it's just an adjustment period you know what I mean like it's shocking today tomorrow it's regular next year it's old you know what I'm saying

Like I think the crazier stuff yet, it's gonna shock you less. - Well, you get desensitized. - Yeah. - That's what, yeah.

Low-key, I think a lot of kids now are getting desensitized to a lot of shit. By porn or what? Porn, violence, everything. You think violence? I think violence too. Why do you say that? Rap, music. Yeah, facts. Rap, music, the things they listen to. Movies. Movies. True. But also, low-key, I feel like movies have always been violent. I feel like people still want to go to watch the thrill of violence, but it's a difference when you...

when it's like real stuff you see like on the news. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like shootings, like stabbings. Like that subconsciously is put into your head

And now you're going out into the real world with that thought in the back of your head like, oh shit, that stuff happens. So if it really does happen, you're not going to be shocked. Like, oh my God, I never thought that would happen. It's like an occurrence thing. You know what they say? Like, you should never watch the news in the morning. Why? They said the people, they did just a real study. But the people that watch the news in the morning turned out more depressed. Why? Well, because they have the crazier stuff in the beginning, right?

Every time in the morning you hear like the craziest murder that happened, the breaking news, the most tragedy. And that's what you start your day with. So the rest of the day is pretty much dependent on like your first energy or the first like thing you grasp onto. Yeah.

Get me? So let's say you start your morning and you hit a jog. You're going to be kind of motivated because you hit something. Yeah. But if the first thing you do is listen to the news and it's all what? Murders, depression, yo, we're in trouble, global warming, blah, blah, blah. It's going to make the whole population what? Yeah. Fucking depressed. Yeah, yeah.

Did you hear that? Okay, I'm gonna play you guys a video. I don't know if you remember this, but the creepy guy from Subway. You remember him? The guy, the main guy from Subway, Jared. So this guy.

You don't remember this commercial? Nah, I don't even remember. Okay, so... Some Mandela effect. So that guy named Jared, right? Yeah. I think he went on a Subway diet and lost 425 pounds or something like that. Right? Eating Subway. Yeah, eating Subway. So Subway called him up and made him the main guy. And then...

Right after he started going on tour, like he made this whole foundation to like fight child obesity. Yeah. So this is where it gets fucking weird because one guy he linked up with, he would do tours in like schools and stuff and like meet all these kids, tell them about like, okay, this is what you should be eating. Right. So since they were on tour, right, their office,

was there was no one in there so one day they decided to put a camera in the office right and jared was totally different on on these tours and off camera you know what i mean so one day they found one of their underage employees having sex in their office with their her boyfriend

And Jared, the main guy, he was like, yo, you know what? I think we should get more cameras. But we should put it in children's washrooms and go around and see. Because he was so obsessed with children. This guy was doing tours, right?

So what they did, they went around the whole city putting like cameras, secret cameras in places where children would take their clothes off, the bathroom and stuff like that. And one day, two of their houses got raided. Guess what they found in Jared's house?

A USB stick with 5.6 terabytes of CP. Fuck. And that shit was on the news. That shit blew up because that was the main guy for Subway. That's fucked. Yeah. So he was like the spokesman. He was like the face of Subway. The guy like. That's weird, bro. But imagine you're going on tour with these kids and that's what he does off camera.

Like you never know what's in the mind of some of these people, bro. Yeah. Cause I feel like when you have like a big stage... Yeah, you can... Usually mans are weird, bro. In some way, if you have a big stage, you're weird in some way. It turns like something on inside of them. Yeah, like a primitive thing. Or like a traumatic response. Like when they were a kid, they were like abused or some shit. Yeah.

Because if you think about it, do you think humans are naturally supposed to feel, I guess, like attention like that? No. You don't think so? I don't think so.

I don't think so either. - When you're a baby, don't you want attention? And okay, say you pop, your mom popped out-- - I'm not talking about attention like that. I'm talking about attention from like thousands, millions of people. - Oh, people that you don't know. Okay, never mind. - 'Cause if you think about it, like long, long, long, long, long-ass time ago, the only people that really had attention were who? The emperor, the king, fuck, even like, I think that's it. - The pope. - The pope, yeah. - Or like your strongest warrior. - Just really, really important people.

And I wonder if, let's say, you evolved into that person. Or, like, let's say your ancestry comes from, like, not having that or having it. How you would have turned out? Damn. Yeah, I don't know. That's crazy. So you're saying it comes from your ancestors? I don't know. That Jared guy only was a child, feel me? Just because their ancestors were? Let's say, like, somebody was, like, a tribe's leader. Yeah.

and then their kids are probably used to being important too like look at the the royal family yeah like everybody in the royal family is used to being royal or it's just their like skill set that caused them to be more popular or have more attention like um like public speaking skills yeah you know what i mean like maybe a tribe leader would pass down his public speaking skills to his kids and his generations as they go on and like

one of his like Ancestors becomes like a comedian because he's so good at public speaking. I don't know true stuff like that Maybe it's all tuned like that true and maybe like if you're if let's say you're your tree like your ancestry trees like isn't like tuned to like what you're doing you become more weird mmm, yeah

And I think the fucking like the leaders back in the day, they're definitely fucking weird, bro. They're weird. Probably weird. They probably just did shit to do shit. There was like a king in Korea. I forgot what his name was. The cult leader? Or no? No, no, no. This was like way before. Oh, okay. So this was before... This was even before... This was like the 1700s, 1600s. Yeah. This was before like China invaded. The Manchurian dynasty invaded. There's a king and...

Every night after he heard like good news bad news like he'd hear news Yeah He would do a cleanse with water like he would spin to the water bowl and then like cleanse his like ears and like Interesting. Nose, eyes and his mouth. But why? I don't he said like apparently that the things that he goes through throughout the day like because he's a king It's easy for evil spirits to be attached to him. So he'd do that routine but eventually just drove him insane and

Yeah. Just from doing the routine or just like everything. Everything.

Damn, so water is the cure because remember that story I was telling you about about the ghost? Yeah. Some guy heard a ghost moaning on the outside of his front lawn and he boiled a hot pot of water and he threw it and then it was gone. Oh yeah, so he's screaming at her. Yo. She's speaking some language like cussing him out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, so water has been like the natural cure. It's holy water. That's what I'm saying. And holy water, exactly. Yeah.

Yo, if you think about it, because I had this theory before. I think I said this on the podcast. But what if God is like water? Because water is everywhere. Like it's in the air. That's what I'm saying. Well, we're made up of like 70% water. 70% water. Exactly. So we're made of? Water. No, like if God is water. You know what I'm saying? Now check this out. Where did Jesus get tempted? In the desert. Where there's no? Water. Damn.

It's kind of crazy, right? Bars. Is that kind of crazy? That is kind of crazy stuff. Because what if it has something to do? Because water is kind of... Water is life, no? Like, you can't have life without water. Yo, what y'all think about the new alien thing? What?

They confirmed there's aliens. Oh, yeah, they can nobody gives a shit though. That's wrong. Which is crazy It's crazy cuz like the minute the government says they're real and no one believes them like the entire time before they're denying it They're like no aliens are real and then now when a US like Secretary of Defense says it no one believes him when it's like confirmed true it's confirmed true or it's like nah that's not true cuz I think the problem with that is like

What are we gonna do and what? Yeah, oh shit, okay, it's real. Fuck you want me to do? No, because people are gonna continue their daily lives until something happens.

That's true. Yeah, I'm gonna continue my life. It's not gonna affect you until it's like in your face. Yeah. Yeah. But do you think it's gonna be like say aliens come down right now? Do you think they're gonna come on some like, okay, we're raiding you like get out or it's like, oh, we come in peace. For me, for me, there's only two. There's only two very realistic things that would happen if aliens were like more intelligent than us. What do you think? One, they're too smart to even care.

Right? I think they care though. No, but think about this. When we see like bugs, do we ever think to talk to them or like interact with them? Nooooooo. That's a good point. It's like, it's just a bug. I don't care. Like you go do whatever you want. Just get away from me. Real shit. Right? What if aliens were like that? Or there's another theory. If aliens were ever to invade, they'd only invade for water. Because it's life. Because it's life, right?

Not to say like, if you think about it, we're humans are carbon based. Like our world is carbon based. If there's like another like silicon, silicone based like planet, uh, like a common like compound would be water. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oxygen, hydrogen.

That is good too. But like the theory that my dad really believes in is that we're the only intelligence. Like intelligence. That's what he believes? He believes that we're like the lottery. Like we're the... That's what my dad believes too. Yeah, my dad believes that because he's saying there's so many small steps that got us... That got like for our evolution to like be where it is right now. Yeah. For us to even have like a sense of communication. Right? That's so true. Yeah.

It's like once in a life. It's literally once in a universe. And if there was another species like that, they'd be so far away. Really? I have a theory. I think, I really believe, aliens might just be us from a different timeline. That's Scientology. Is that what it is? That's Scientology. For real? Scientology is the belief that we are a species from another planet.

And our planet was dying, so we sent over our own species to evolve and repopulate this planet. That's Scientology. No, I'm saying aliens are us traveling not from different planets, but different dimensions. And dimensions, as in... Because you know how the universe is constantly expanding every second? And they say it's expanding faster? Yeah. It's because...

You know the theory I say where like we create more alternate dimensions with every decision? Every decision creates what? Another universe. What if somehow people from that universe can come to here? But it's a little bit different in a sense of like their technology could be different. Their way of thinking could be different. It's like intertwining with each other. Yeah. And them coming here...

Kind of disrupts it. And that's how we have like Mandela effects. And that's why we have like things that changed. It's not necessarily that they're different species. They're us, but from a different dimension. So that's why it messes things up. And that's why they can't interact with us because it might just break the fabric of reality. Yeah. So you're saying everyone's an alien except different dimension.

No, I'm saying people from different dimensions. Okay. Y'all heard about spacism? No, what the fuck is that? If we were in contact with aliens, how we would be racist in a species way. I feel like that's a given. Because we would see someone that's... Okay, say for the cartoon alien. What the fuck is that? No, because I think about it like this. Again, like a spider.

If I see a spider, I want to kill it. For no reason. Spider didn't do shit for me. Spider's just doing its thing. It's a little bit scary to me. But I just want to kill it because it's not supposed to be out here. But that's the thing about the idea that aliens are real, but they just don't want to interact with us because there's nothing for them to gain.

I believe though that there are few aliens on the earth. They're just disguised as us. Yeah, I think that's the scary part about the news with aliens being here. I think that's the real scary part is that they could just be in disguises all the time. I could be an alien right now. Yeah, like say you go to Veld or like a

Rolling loud you think all those people are actually real people bro Maybe that maybe one person in there is just trying to get like info like oh this is how they act Don't fall for this bullshit No, what if one day like I just you you know, that's fucked right? That would be crazy imagine this whole time like yo, that's why cuz maybe like um, you know what a skinwalker is Yeah, I really believe that those are not even like spirits. Those are just like aliens. Okay

Because they can form into like... They can go into like thing and then they have a tail and stuff like that. So that's not a human. That's not a spirit. What else could that be? Yeah. You know what I mean? It could still be spirit though. I feel like... What if spirit is also dimensional?

Yemi? What if that's also like a dimensional thing? Maybe a skinwalker is like that. It's a spirit that took into alien form. I don't know. It's so hard to know. It's the fucking universe, right? It's mysteries. I wonder why people always like when they think of aliens, you think of like...

Things that they don't look like us, but it's like they have legs and arms. Yeah. I think if aliens were to be real, they wouldn't even have that. No, I think they would. No, I think they'd be some sort of other form. They would look like... Oh, like Monsters, Inc.? Low-key, they would look something like that. Depending on what they survived off of, what they evolved from. If it was a water-based planet, they'd look more like a mermaid or a fish. That makes sense.

and i think to think that that kind of like fish would have the intelligence of a human and they have like a civilization it's crazy i think that's pretty cool yeah like it doesn't necessarily have to have arms and legs like it can it can be like a completely like different yeah yeah like what if what if they're all cat people or like yeah dog people that's so cool but the media portrays it like oh this is what an alien actually look it's just like green blob but what if that's that's the truth

I don't know. What if that's actually the truth and then it's just like broken telephone. No, but then maybe that's like that's the way of disguising. Oh, this is what you think an alien looks like? Whole time it looks like Carlos. No, theory right now? Yeah. What if all of those movies about aliens being green or looking a certain way, even like the Star Wars aliens. What if that's all placed for us to get used to the idea of aliens and then we don't get so shocked?

For example, desensitization. And then we're more comfortable so that the time they do come or the time that they want to interact, we're not going to be so fucking freaked out. Everyone's already desensitized to aliens right now. Yeah, so if an alien does come out and it's like, oh shit, it will be just like a celebrity moment rather than like a whole...

mind shattering moment yeah another big one zombies they've been desensitizing the fuck out of zombies uh the last of us uh what else walking dead walking dead and the dawn of the dead what's the korean one oh well um train to busan no the other one uh last all of us all of us are dead all of us are dead that's already like five movies we can name at the top of our head but

But then you go vampires. There's a hell of a vampire movies. I just think zombies are so much easier to sell.

I think that's what it is. It's just like a trend and then they run off the trend. Like aliens and zombies and stuff. Think about the movie Alien, Predator, Star Wars. If you think about people who love movies grew up with that kind of sci-fi interaction. So it's natural for them to follow movies that are similar to that that come out now. That's why they keep making it. For example, horror movies like ghost movies. It's always going to sell. It's always going to be a thing because people believe in

The taboo of it and like, you know what I mean? The mysteries of it. Same with aliens. Same with zombies. And at some point, one thing's going to be trending a little bit more than the other, which would have been zombies at the time of Walking Dead. Yeah. Vampires during the time of Twilight. Yeah. What do you think it is right now? I don't know. Disease? Right now?

Technology! It's technology! But what movies are technology based? Black Mirror. Okay, that's one movie though. But that's like one show. That's not even a movie. That's a show. Wait, hold on. Superheroes. But that's always been around though. No, but it's more prominent right now. Because apparently the superheroes align with how the economy is doing.

So if the economy is doing bad, people will look up to like a singular figure. Oh shit. Yo, you know why he's so right on that? Because Captain America was made as World War II propaganda. During the Great Depression. I remember, yeah. Right before it. He's like the first superhero. Yeah, same with Superman. Yeah, fuck. That's crazy. So like the fact that it's like coming back right now, but I think the difference is if you look at like shows like The Boys and Invincible,

They're doing the superhero thing, but they're adding a touch of realism to it. Like Brightburn. I think Brightburn is one of my favorite movies because it's like, if Superman was legit in our world, that's what he would turn out to be. He wouldn't necessarily be good. Why would he have all these good values if he's an alien? It's true. If he's literally like,

the better species, like the better, like, like, yeah. How would he treat everyone? There's no reason for him to treat anyone with respect. It's like Minecraft creator mode. Yeah. You know, really take care of the chickens and shit. You're not gonna care about villagers and shit. No. Damn. So do you think, um, movies are a good tell, especially the movies that are doing good, is a good tell of how

the population is doing mentally yes i think it is too like what everybody's trying to watch yeah and it brings it all the way back to barbie like that's why yeah that's that's why they have to make that movie because they know it's gonna do well because people like the controversy bro controversy sells it's just i think we just have to be more aware of what we're buying and what we're buying into

to have good like self-awareness of what we are like why am i subscribing to that is it because i am that or is it because that's what i'm told to do or is it because you know i mean there's a trend like what is it but in the industry right now there's a different sort of aspect where if it's a really good show it can change the way the industry goes it doesn't necessarily that's true outside factors very true if you guys watch succession right okay so there's a show called succession it's it's

It's a TV show about literally an all-white cast. It's about white rich people and their drama. Think about it. Who would want to watch a show about white rich people and their drama and their personal issues? The only reason why it did so well is because it was written well.

the writing was perfect the story was perfect everything the acting was perfect they only needed those three factors they didn't need no outside if anything it went against the grain it went against yeah the agenda of what most films are looking for now which is like having a diverse cast having like you know a certain aspect of diversity or like

up like pushing i'm pushing a message whereas this show is just about white rich people yeah and like what what they do in their daily lives and like the that they have to go through and then those are like the groundbreaking ones that change culture it changes culture yeah damn that's very true because if you think about it that happens in music all the time but i feel like music is easier to see that oh yeah because one guy will do it and then everything

Everything's wearing all black, everyone's opium now, you feel me? Cause I think music is so much easier to consume and shit, you know what I mean? Yeah. Music is so easy to consume, like you can hear it in the car for, it only takes like three minutes. A movie you would have to like put yourself down. You have to sit down and watch it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yo, did you watch, you know that movie, The Others? No. You ever hear about that? No, I haven't. I didn't watch it though. Yo, so...

I just want to talk about this. This is like the most mind-blowing movie I ever watched. What is it about? So pretty much there's this woman and she's staying in this house with her two kids and she has like three butlers, like nanny and butler. So throughout the movie, her kids are allergic to the sun. So they can't go outside really. Even her, I think she doesn't go outside too much. But the nanny and the butler, they're taking care of the kids. Throughout the movie...

there's things that are showing her the house is haunted. Like, curtains would move, curtains would be changed, things would be out of place, there's a piano that would play by itself, turn off, whatever, right? And then she thinks, like, oh shit, it's haunted. Like, let me look into the history of the house. So she comes across this picture, and on the picture, it's the nanny and the two butlers. But they're dead. Like, this is from, like,

early 1800s. Now, it gets fucking weird because I didn't see this like turn in the movie, but what ends up happening is she's going out looking to find out why the house is haunted. She thinks it's because of those fucking the butlers and shit. They're just spirits that have been there longer than her and they're still living there. They're stuck in like a limbo. She goes upstairs and

at the end of the movie and the kids follow her and they see a table with like several people around it holding hands like this and they're doing what ritual damn they're doing a seance to try and make the ghosts go away so they are the ghosts the mother and the kids are the spirits

That are haunting the house. Oh, so it's like reversed. Yeah. Oh, that's a crazy plot twist. It's crazy. So this whole time you're led to believe like, oh, the house is haunted. Why is it haunted? Yeah. Damn, they're the ghosts. And then it's so sad because like, they're doing this ant shit, right? And then the mother's like screaming at the table like,

we're not dead we're not dead and the kids are crying we're not dead and then she's like grabbing papers and ripping it and then in the perspective of the people doing the seance you're like yo what the fuck because it looks like ghosts doing that shit crazy crazy fam i don't know about that one bro have you have you encountered any like scary shit or paranormal shit in your life

Yeah, you have I think I blocked it out though. Oh you like how like you tried to erase the memory of it? It's just like what the fuck cuz you know what JB like he was so down to do like rituals and shit He was so on board. Nah, but I saw Ethan's reaction when he's like, yo, let's do it on camera and Ethan's like yeah cuz

I used to live in like a townhouse. I think it was really old. It was so old. But you know, you know when you dream and you like run but your feet are stuck? Yo, all the time. Dude, oh my god. Oh my god. I just remembered. It just came back. Yeah. So my bro, I have a younger brother. So he was born in 2015. I was like grade 5 at the time. So we had like a 10 year gap, 11 year gap. So

When we were in that house, my brother had just been born. So my mom and dad bought all this newborn stuff. Yeah, yeah. Baby stuff. There's like a baby cradle. I remember there's a specific baby cradle. It's on the floor. It cradles. And it has an electric motor at the top. To move it. To move it. To slowly cradle it. And it'll play music. Yeah. So I remember...

Like, way before my brother was born, I'm at the same... This is at the same house. I had a dream. A very vivid nightmare. Yeah. And it was... I was in my basement. Because my basement was where I played, like, video games and stuff, right? Like, I had the PS3, the PS2 set up there, and I played COD and shit. Yeah. But I remember, like, in my dream, like, I was just leaving the basement. It just started off from there. And, like...

For some reason, I couldn't get up the stairs. Oh, shit. I looked back, and there was, like, this girl in, like, a white dress. Oh, the white lady. The white lady. No, no, no. But she was, like, young. Like, it was, like, a kid. Oh, never mind. So, like, I was, like, freaked. I woke up. I was, like, freaked out, whatever. And then after my brother was born, there's, like, a baby cradle in the basement at the time. Yeah, yeah. And I remember I, like...

I wasn't home alone. My mom was in the kitchen, but I went to go play games downstairs in the basement. Don't tell me, fam. I walked down to the basement. I hear like music, like baby music. No.

What is that? Like am I tripping? Did I leave the TV on? Holy fuck. Did I leave the TV on? Yeah. I walked down and like it's the hallway and it's the room and there's a wall and it goes like out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I couldn't see anything on the right. The baby cradle was right at the end of the yard though. Chill, chill. I'm getting chills. I walk through

The baby cradle is moving like that's crazy fast fast. That's crazy I'm like am I seeing this right? I thought I was tripping. I walk closer. It stops. No I run away. I run away. That's far I run the fuck like I run out like it that like did a full circle because that's when I'm like Walking back up the stairs. Yeah, right So like I was like worried like my fear to get stuck or some shit but like I fully like I remember

I remember like I was so like tripped out. I didn't think if it was real or not. So I never brought it up. - Wait, so this wasn't a dream? - Holy shit. - So you didn't wake up like this was real? - No, no, no, no, no. This was legit. 'Cause like I remember going home my day afterwards and I was like, did that actually happen? Like am I too young? 'Cause you know when you're like a kid. - And you don't know, you don't remember. - And like things like happen and you're like, they get distorted.

But lowkey as a kid though, you see more shit. Yeah, that's what people say. I still remember. I heard the music walk through and the thing was like moving and I took a step closer and it stopped and I just ran away. Damn. The fact that it stopped right at there. Damn, that's far. That's us. Look,

Loki your mom like cranked it up hella and she timed it like oh Ethan can you get something in the basement nah that's crazy but the thing is even even if it was timed or anything it wouldn't be moving that much it wouldn't move that fast and stop suddenly and turn off speed is crazy

So the music was playing too? Because when it moves... That's scary, bro. That's fucking scary, bro. Is this the house that you live in right now? No, I moved. I moved way back. I didn't want to go back to that house. Did you have any history on the house? Because you know the story is like, oh, this was built on ancient ground. There...

Maybe, I don't know, but the town, like the neighborhood I lived in had the name old in it. Oh, see? Oh, so it's like an old area. Old blank? Yeah. So did you have any other stories in the house or just that one? No, there was one, but I think it was like, so in my bedroom, I had a bunk bed. Don't ask me why, like I didn't have any siblings. I just felt like...

It was weird. Anyway, the room was small, right? Yeah. The bunk bed was big. So it took up a lot and it created this hallway and it created this little like small pocket near the window. Yeah. So I put all my, my toys there or whatever.

Remember, I'm just playing with my Legos and shit, sitting by the bunk bed. So, like, the bunk bed is, like, here. The window's here. It's a little pocket, and the door goes out this way. The hallway's this way. So, I'm, like, safe in my pocket, and I'm, like, leaning up against my bunk bed. And then I look down to my left because I heard something. Like, I heard, like, that. No. Fuck, man. And then I look down. Yeah. And, um...

You know the spider coats? You know the weather coats? The weather jackets? Yeah, yeah. With the spider logo on it? Yeah, yeah. So my dad was really into those. He bought those a lot when it was back then. Yeah.

It was that zipper. You know the zipper? With the spider. With the spider on it. Yeah. Like, the zipper. Like, it wasn't the full jacket. It was just a piece that you clip, like, you hold and you flex it down. It flew out of the bunk bed at the bottom, like, closest to the wall. Yeah. It flew out, like,

Like it slid across. Wait, what? I looked at it. I was like, what? Wait, I ran out of the room again. How the fuck did it get there? That's the thing. That's some real paranormal shit, bro. I'm thinking about it. At the time, I thought it was like a rat or like a bug. Yeah. Because like there were a lot of like mice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was an old house. So like there was a lot of cracks and stuff. And like all the houses were like attached. Yeah. So it would have been like there would have been some like rat infestations maybe.

But not flying to you though? Why would the mice or rats come up to the second floor? It flew out onto the floor. No, that's scary. And it ran out. That's crazy. And the fact that you just had a bunk bed, right? But you weren't sharing it with anyone. Uh-huh.

So usually like, you know, the whole theory is like, if you leave your, if you even have a chair in your room, that's an invitation for any ghost or spirit to come sit down. So if you had, especially facing you, yeah, especially facing you. But if, even if you had a whole bed that's free and the spirit can lay down, that's crazy. You know what I mean? Cause I remember the reason why my parents bought the bunk bed was cause I did a lot of sleepovers.

Okay. My friends, like my family friends, cousins. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My grandma will come sometimes. She's on the bottom. I sleep on the top, whatever. Um, like I played hockey at the time. I sleep over to my hockey friends. Like we just all bunk. Yeah. See, but, but once that room is free and it's only you, that's an invitation. So that's crazy, bro.

Yo, yo, you know how like on the podcast a long, long time ago, I said my aunt's story how she had this pretty much this psychic because she's a hygienist. He became one of like the clients sitting at the thing and then he was pretty much telling her shit like he would not know. Like, oh, I know you worked here at this and I see you living at this house, blah, blah, blah. So my aunt, she has another story.

And my aunt, she kind of has like a sixth sense too. So she had like another client come in and this client, he had really like wolf gray eyes. Like very distinct, okay? Very distinct eyes. So he sat down, they're talking, blah, blah, blah. And then she starts getting to work. While she's cleaning his teeth, she looks like close to his eyes because they were interesting looking, right? Fam. Fam.

The whole eyes like both of them Turn pitch black Like straight black. Is this in front of a mirror? No, this is in front of her eyes She's working on his teeth and looks up like this and sees the eyes are black So what she do? And then she's like she like gets scared right and then she but she doesn't say anything because it's rude like what would she you know I mean so she just ignores it and then she looks back and they're still black

So she just continues and does her thing and at some point like they changed back and then I guess he I think he was he was like, oh what's going on? Yeah, and then she's like she said something to kind of push the conversation and they switched back This is the crazy part though. So, you know that story with a psychic was another client and

my aunt went to the secretary and pretty much told the story like the ghost story like his eyes turning black the secretary goes you know that's the son of the psychic guy oh so that family is like gifted in some way or no or like has a spirit i don't know yeah

Crazy. I think I've made this correlation. Because remember you said, so knocking on wood actually calls the spirits from the woods, from the trees, right? Yeah, yeah. And when I was camping, you didn't know that? So knocking on wood is like, you would knock on a wood, you would knock on the tree, and a spirit would come out and grant your wish.

Right? That's the... I've been knocking on wood. He doesn't do that anymore. Asian tradition is like you knock on wood to not let something happen. It's like... But that's the urban legend, right? But then I remember we were camping, right? And I made this correlation. A lot... Since there's a lot of trees when you're camping...

Lot of haunted shit is gonna happen in the forest right and taking our campsite was far from everyone else's Yeah And you know how right before we're like camp in the fire pit and stuff and we were trying to like scare each other and like we were making fun of like oh The red lady or the skinwalker and shit like that. Yeah, and then all you see you hear from like miles away is a baby cry and

and i'm like where would that come from right and then you would hear a scream oh shit and then everyone's like what the fuck is that and in my head i'm like since i tell all these stories on the podcast i'm like bro is that a skinwalker like because the one thing you'd never do is if you hear a baby cry you never go chase it right so i'm like okay i'm not gonna i'm staying right here yeah yeah yeah and then um throughout the night while we were there all you would hear is like little taps on the grass and i'm like

What the fuck is going on? But then I guess it was at the end of the night, a skunk came out. That's what they told me in the morning. But fam, that baby cry was so crazy. That's crazy. And then there's this viral video going around on TikTok. Some guy named Samuel who had a crazy interaction with a skinwalker, right? So he was walking. He claimed that he was walking across this empty parking lot.

super empty no one there and some guy called him he was like hey Samuel like he knew his name already and he turned around and he's like what the fuck like who are you like what do you want from me yeah and then the the guy he's like

"Oh yo, Samuel, can I borrow a dollar? I know you have one in your wallet." Woah, what the fuck? So Samuel's like, "What the fuck?" And he did only have one dollar in his wallet. He's like, "Okay, like, do you want it? Like, I'll give it to you, just don't hurt me or anything." So he gives the guy his wallet, and then suddenly he goes, the guy goes, "Do you want to see something cool?"

Lifts up his shirt and you can see his tail And then right after I shows his tail he goes on all fours and crawls away So like imagine you're you're out late at night and a guy already knows you that you don't know That's a hundred percent of skin Walker. That's like a demon, bro. Yeah, it'll follow you No No, I'm telling you

I'm telling you, bro. But why would a skinwalker want a dollar? What would he do with a dollar? No, because it's just trying to like, oh, I know. He's just trying to play mind tricks and shit like that. Trying to like torment? Yeah, torment. That's the whole point. As a skinwalker, you're not going to kill the guy. You're just going to make him scared. You know what I mean? I feel you. Damn, do you think? Because a lot of the times, I think shit happens.

are these things that are put in my path meant to just scare me so I can become strong? Because if there's nothing to... Think about it, though. If there's nothing to be scared of, could you ever be brave? No, you couldn't. Right? Well, then that would define brave if you're not scared of anything. No, but I'm saying it. Yeah, exactly. Like, with an absence of fear, could you even be brave? Yeah, you're not brave. Like, if you walk into, like...

I don't know, like a party or something. You're not scared of anything. You're not brave. You're just like, you just walk in. Yeah. You just walk into a party. Yeah.

Yeah, no, but like that's what I'm saying. So there has to be some set of like you have to overcome something to actually be. No, I believe that. No one's just brave out the womb. Like no one's just confident out the womb, to be honest. Unless it's just lack of awareness. It's just like you're not, you don't, you're not, I guess you don't have knowledge. Or like you're like a psychopath. Yeah, like a sociopath or psychopath. I think that's different though. Yeah, that's much different. Yeah.

Cause I was watching, there's this thing on Netflix, it's called "How to Become a Cult Leader" What the fuck? Yeah fam. I watched that. So, you know Jim Jones, the Jonestown Massacre? I didn't know this, but Jim Jones, you know how everybody has like a superhero? Like when they grow up, like "Oh I like Spiderman, oh I like Superman, I like Batman, blah blah blah" Yo, this motherfucker Jim Jones, he was obsessed with pastors.

And that's how he became a pastor. You know what he used to do? He used to go. What? No, no, no. Just keep going. He used to go to church, right? And after that church lesson was done, bro would run across town to the next church. The fuck? And see that mass. Then run across town to the next church and see that mass. So it was like video games for him.

But that's how he became freaking like that. Because he picked up on like there's... How to preach, how to like gain, I guess, eyes on him, attention, everything like that and just became the cult leader he is. Yeah. Crazy. Damn, bro. So I think no matter what, like if you're super, super into it and that's like where you breathe and live and...

people follow passion yeah right as long as you like believe in what you're saying and you truly don't care whether or not people are gonna believe you or not people will believe you regardless because you're so confident what you're saying that's true passionate about what you're saying people don't realize how strong like passion is yeah yeah like i think the reason why people are like so lost in this society right now because they don't have a passion for it they're kind of lost like like there's like oh like lonely lonely people like depressed people and stuff like that like the reason why

they're not they're always focused on themselves because they have no passion there's not they're not passionate about something else that they're they can do the minute you give someone like something they love to do they'll like completely change they're like a completely different person they're like driven the laziness is gone everything is facts facts i agree and i think like that's a big factor in like today's society is like if there's something you're not passionate about you're more likely to get lost

You know what I mean? But like once you're passionate about something, like literally your opinion on everything, like your world around you like gets more colorful and like things like matter to you, you know? Yeah, because you're interested in doing good things for it. Yeah, exactly. Like you have a purpose. Yeah, it's a purpose. Do you think passion and love is the same thing? Passion and love. I think you need to be passionate to love. Yeah. So it's not the same? Because without passion, it's just lust, right? Yeah.

But what is like passion in a relationship, I guess? Passion in a relationship. But there's different types of passion. And I would say like obsession and passion can be taken differently. Like if you're obsessed with like an object, that just means you have an emotional attachment to it. If you're passionate about it, you care about it, whatever. But if it's like a...

like a skill or like, like something that like... You can get better at? You can get better at or like that makes you just happy. Then obsession is like, I don't know, like if you're obsessed with making music, you're just gonna make music. If you're obsessed with someone, it's just gonna like... I think obsession, obsession has...

like an end. But passion, you know, if you always love that person, it'll go longer. Does obsession have an end though? It does because, listen, if you're always obsessed with that person and then that person says stop or like that obsession gives out, it's done. No, but people can be obsessed with things though. Yeah, like what if you're obsessed with like anime? Yeah, and then will it ever end? Yeah, probably. I don't think so. I don't know. I think that's what I'm saying. It's different with people and different with like

With ideas. Ideas. People, ideas, objects are completely different things to be obsessed or passionate over. So is it love or not? What, passion? Passion. Is passion love? I think so, yeah. This definitely correlates. So do you think if you're passionate about too many things... What do you mean? Okay, look. You love your parents. Yeah. Are you passionate about your parents? Yeah.

What does passionate about parents mean? I guess for them to be good. I'm passionate for them to feel good, I guess. What's your level of intensity? I guess I would say I'm passionate for them to be happy. That's why I do what I do to make them happy. So I'm passionate about them. I guess that way.

It could be taken differently. It could be taken differently. Exactly. That's always a good question. It's a good question. That's what I'm saying. I'm thinking about it. So if passion is love, if you're passionate about too many things, does that mean you love too many things? Or are you really passionate about too many things?

I feel like you can't be too passionate about too many things. Could you not? Why? Why? Because like... Because I think there's too much on your plate, right? Like, if you're passionate about one thing, why would you have to be passionate about the other thing if you're already passionate about one thing? That's a good point. Like, are you even passionate if it's not on the one? Yeah, exactly. But it's different because we're doing objects and people. Because if you say people, I feel like obsession is toxic. Passion is healthy.

But in objects, you might be obsessed with anime. That could be healthy. Maybe. I don't know. It could still be unhealthy. But you know what they say? Obsession always beats passion. That's actually true. That is true. Because obsession, once you're obsessed, you will let nothing stop you. Yeah, that's fine. To get your goal. Which is why I think obsession works better with ideas and with like...

I don't know. Like again, let's go back to the music thing. If you're obsessed with making music, you're gonna keep making music. If you're passionate about making music, but like let's say it's bad for you in some way, you're gonna stop. You're gonna stop because the passion's not there because usually passion has something deeper. But obsession just has, it's like tunnel vision. Yeah, it's like I get that or I don't. I get that or I get that like sort of in that sense.

Low key there was a saying that I heard it was like don't make the thing you're passionate about your job because you'll learn to hate it. That makes so much sense. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

But that's what I'm doing right now. Yeah, but... Because you're not thinking of it as a job. Oh, so if you make it like a job. If you make it like a job. Like how you went to your drama class, but it's like work. You don't like it. You're going to learn to hate it. But you're still passionate about acting. Yes, just like not that way. It's like on a schedule, okay? The reason why I'm...

And I think the reason why I'm passionate about my acting and the reason why you're not passionate about your acting is because it's something that is mine. Yeah. Whereas an acting class is like something you're learning. You have to do. Yeah. I get that. Whereas something that's given to me or earned by me. To take on. To take on. Yeah. That's my thing. Now I have the right to be passionate about it. Mm.

But the other thing is like, he's teaching you, Bo's teaching you to like, oh, here's how to be passionate about it. Oh, fuck. That's why I don't like it. Like, it should be effortless, you know? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's why I hate the class. But when you do your own acting, when it's your own stuff, it's back to normal. Yeah, it feels amazing. That makes a lot of sense. That's the same thing with a lot of sports, I think. When you're not in the right sport, you're saying? Or even when you're like...

When you're just playing with no pressure and like... 100%. Yo. Pressure is the reason why I quit basketball. Like, I couldn't handle all the pressure. And then I moved to a sport where it's like, oh, all the pressure's on me. But at the same time, I can have fun. Like, when you're having fun...

Like anything you can do for a long time. Exactly. Like you'll never get bored of it. You know what I didn't realize? I played double A hockey for like 12 years straight. Yeah. 12 is crazy. I know, yeah. That's a long time. Before I got into acting, I was full-time hockey because I was good at skating. I was allergic to like pollen. Yeah. So I couldn't play soccer, baseball, basically like all.

I couldn't even do golf. It was just ice. Like I like winter sports. Right. Yeah. But like, I turned out to be good at skating. So my parents were like, Oh, you put him in hockey. Cause it's like relevant in Toronto. So I carried that on with my whole life. It was my whole life. It was the only thing I did. Yeah. What happens with like, with like a high level sport like that,

Unless you're like really, really good, it's like the most toxic environment. And like that goes the same with like every single competitive sport. Just think about it. Your kid can be good at the sport, but that doesn't necessarily mean they love it.

That goes back to the obsession and passion. If your kid, let's say, is obsessed and passionate about the sport, they're going to listen to whatever training, games, practice, whatever they take them to. They're going to love it regardless. But once you start treating it like a job, like a 9-to-5, the kid learns to resent it. That's what happened to you. That's what happened to me because I was so good at skating. I was having fun. I was doing good and then

I remember the thing about me was I could never perform during games. Same. Was it because your parents were watching or like a scout? It wasn't even that. It was like, I would have good games. But like when I'm like scrimmaging and practicing,

You're the best ever. I would destroy. And then I go to the game and it would be the complete opposite. You're a practice player. Yeah, I'm a practice player for some reason. Yeah, same. I'm the practice player for basketball. Best thing, the idea of pressure and actually loving what you do. But once you're up on stage, it's completely different. You broke that down so perfect, bro. I think that's the difference. I never played a team sport. Yeah, he never played a team sport. So he never knew what it felt like to pass around the blame.

Yeah. It was always on you, so no matter what, you have no excuse. Yeah. But also, growing up, whenever my parents said to go into something, I just went into it and just fucking put my head down and just do it. And I learned to love it. Rather than, it was never, looking back, the only time I really chose my sport or something I really wanted to do was guitar and soccer for a little bit.

But everything else, like swimming, kickboxing, those were my parents' ideas. But I just learned to love it because, fuck, I'm already here. Might as well enjoy it. But going to that thing of pressure, I think it's the opposite for me. So because I didn't have a team, because of everything like that, I couldn't, like, it's all on me. I learned in practice, fam, maybe I didn't even show up that much. Like, I wasn't trying as hard.

But the moment where I really came down to it, fuck, I had to put my whole soul into this shit. Because this is where it really, really matters. And nobody else is going to prove that except for me. So if I lose right now,

I lose because I lost. Yeah. I think on a team, it's like... Sometimes I got into my head. It was like... I gotta... I wasn't just fighting the opponents. You're fighting your teammates. I was fighting my teammates. Like, I gotta outperform my teammates. I gotta be the best one on my team. And I think that's where it becomes toxic. That creates the most toxic relationship. Because at a young age, your parents basically...

Program you and they compare you to other kids on the team. Subconsciously, now, you resent that kid. You resent whatever kid

Even though that guy was on your team. Even though he's on the same team as you. It's obviously different with everyone because I know some hockey teams, their parents are like best friends. They've known each other since high school or middle school. So they're tight, whatever. But what happens most of the time is parents, especially with competitive sports at a younger age, parents...

will pressure their kids into the sport if they're like decently good if they can keep up but they'll compare it to the better kid as long as that happens it wires them to dislike that kid because you're not like that kid you're not better than him why can't you be like that kid so it'll wire them subconsciously to resent him or whatever right now in the future when you guys meet again

you're still gonna have that same program of your mindset. Like, I'm never, oh, he's better than me. You're basically gonna have an inferiority complex. And it goes the other way. If the kid is better than everyone, their parents are gonna be like, don't hang out with them too much. Don't do that, don't do that. Do your own thing. You're doing better than them. They're gonna have a superiority complex.

Or the other kids. That's because when I think about it. Team sports is toxic. I'm glad I didn't play no team sports. No, but it's a good way to learn. It's a good way to learn. Like team sports, like what I took from it is like whatever, like the regular skills. There was, yeah. Still teamwork. Collaboration, whatever. Yeah. Like taking things seriously. Yeah. Stuff like that. But at the end of the day, like you create like the most

Like the strongest bonds and you just like rinse it with like toxicity. See, but that there's two cases. Yeah. You can have a team sport because I also had another team. I love playing ball with them. Like no one would fight. Everyone is just a homie. Yeah. But then you would get into like, oh, he's D1. Fuck. I'm not. I got to be better than him. Exactly.

I've never told this story, but there was one time that I still, like the guy that made me quit basketball, like the Gavin Lohr was this one guy who was, I was never better than, and my dad always compared me to him, right? And there was one time in practice, right? It was me versus him, and he crossed me up so bad, like my ankle twisted. And like, it was an actual like ankle breaker. So like the term is ankle breaker. And you actually broke it. And I actually like went to the bench and all my teammates were like,

laughing at me like, "Fuck, he actually broke his ankles and shit like that." So from that one, I see him at the barbershop and we like, dap up. But at the same time, I'm still thinking like, "This is the guy that made me quit basketball." You feel me? Like, I don't like that guy. - It does that. It does that. - Damn. - You were so right. You described everything so perfect.

What I realized is every, every, like, think about it. I've been with hockey teams like my whole childhood. Yeah. These are my childhood friends if you really think about it. I don't talk to any of them. Oh, yo, I don't talk to none of my ball friends. I talk to like a select two and that's not even on a daily basis. I recently just reconnected with a guy I played hockey with and what I realized is we were a shitty team and it was the year that the parents stopped caring. Mm.

whether or not their kids were going into a sport. And I was able to reconnect with them because I realized I didn't care at the time. I just liked playing hockey. Yeah. That's when I sort of fell back in love with playing hockey because I was decent. Like, I could keep up my own. Yeah.

And like, that's why. When nothing else is on the line. It's just passion. It's just fucking passion. But that's why like, when you look at old, like when you see like old people playing sports, it's like, I wonder why they do that. It's just like. It's just for fun, bro. It's just for fun. There's no toxicity. Even if there was, it's like, no one cares. Yeah, fact. It's just, you're playing a sport. Yeah.

You can tell those because all the Filipinos in like grade, in like high school stopped playing ball. Those were the ones that like probably were just like obsessed. They didn't have any passion because the real Filipino who had passion would keep playing even though they knew they weren't making it to the NBA. See, this guy's like, I didn't have those problems. I was just beating motherfuckers up.

By myself? No, like, I faced some fucking... Because my first fight ever, I lost. Yeah, yeah. I lost a lot of battles to, like, you know, to become strong, to be, like...

I think if I didn't lose my first fight in kickboxing, I wouldn't be like this. I feel like I would be freaking... I don't know. It's like Mayweather. I wouldn't treat hard work well. Yeah. Because I knew after my first loss... Because we were just watching the Jake Paul documentary and how he lost, man. It was the exact same for me. I was bawling my eyes out. I thought, shit, am I worthy? How come I even got in the ring? This and that. Yeah.

literally the next month like i trained so hard two months actually trained for so hard for two months and i won a national championship because i trained hard because i actually put in the effort but if i didn't like have a loss to begin with and only one would i work even as hard

Maybe not. Well, that's because it's almost given to you. It's almost given. When a boxer or a fighter loses their O, that's the real character. Because I never had a loss, but imagine I had that loss, I would have quit, probably. It would have tested my character, and I probably would have quit. So you think it's...

It's good to have a loss early. Yeah. Rather than late. It's good to grow up with it. Yeah. Because you already have that feeling of loss. You have nothing to lose now. Now you're craving that. Every time I went into the ring, I had something to lose. So you thought of something to lose every time. Yeah, every time. I was like, I have to win or else...

my record is done. That's more pressure. Wow. Yeah. And that translates to like everything. Like even in real life, even like life and death situations. Yeah. You have nothing to lose. You're like the most dangerous person. Exactly. You don't want to fight with a guy who has nothing to lose. That's very, very true. It's because like all the rules are out the window. Straight up. Like it's, it's fucking mentality. It's mentality. You're fighting. You're not even fighting nothing else. It's just the straight up.

Fear yeah driving them to do something bro those homeless people on the Nash Street, bro Oh my god, they went up yo that one night we met two we met two homeless vets Yeah, so we were driving Bro drives a nice car and the guy comes up with like, you know, he's trying to clean the windows Yeah, he's like, you know, let me clean the windows. It is like no No, no

Because at the same time, like, you know bro has nothing to lose. So he's going to touch your car regardless. So I'm like, yo, if anything happens, run the red light. Because he's going to fuck up your car. You think he's going to break it? What's the worst thing we're going to do? Call the cops? What are they going to do? No, like, it's not, like, he's basically untouchable. Yeah.

The bucket and the wiper, that was his thing. I got my car washed literally the day before. I just kind of reversed a bit. But at the same time, you don't want to fight those guys. Those are the people that change the path of...

Where life is headed. Yeah, yeah. Real shit, fam. Oh my God, this is the funniest moment. In the same night, so Ethan puts down his window and this homeless guy comes up to the window and he's like, yo, do you have any money? And as soon as Ethan says no, the song by Jason Derulo plays. So it's like, mm, what you say? And we're laughing at him in the car. And then he sees that and he kind of like clutches his fist and we're like, fuck.

You saw that we were super villain bro, that's crazy tomorrow. Yeah, you was bad ass staring at the car like

Like that, because we were laughing at him. Okay, but low key, like, that's so funny, because imagine, like, a homeless man, like, walks up to you and asks you for money, and you're like, no, I don't got anything. And then, like, this goes. And it was on, like, blasts on max volume. And there's, like, five dudes in the car, and Gavin was, like, we were all dying. Bro, I was trying to hold it in so bad. I was like...

Because the music blasted as soon as he said no. Yo. I'm telling you, man. I feel like those moments you could really create. Yeah. No, it would have ended bad. Yo, you could create like a villain. Yeah. Like somebody, you know those kids that you hear about, you bully them and they turn out, you know what I mean? Evil the rest of their lives. That guy would have went on a...

Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. That's what I'm saying, bro. Yeah. Those times, just be careful still. You got to really watch yourself because I remember two hours in Dundas and this guy was like, nothing to lose, right? Homeless guy. Takes a brick, whips it at a car. That's not even like facing. Oh, shit. It's a random ass car. So imagine you're in the driving seat. It just breaks a glass? Yeah, what can I do now? You know what I mean? It's like, holy shit. It's weird. I've seen that too. Like some guy on a bike just threw his like bottle.

at a car. Yeah. And just like drove, like biked off. For no reason. For no reason. And then the guy in the car thought it was like me because I was walking by. Oh, that's awesome. Damn. Like this. We were like all like adjacent at a certain point. He whips it, bikes away. The car looks to the right of the window and I'm there. Oh,

But it wasn't me. So you almost got in trouble for it. He was like, what the fuck? And I was like, I was like this. I was like, I didn't do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like low-key pointed down. That's like holes. Like you get in trouble for something you didn't do. For something you didn't do. That's literally holes. Fuck. Damn. But yeah. I will end it there. This is kind of getting late. I'm tired. What time is it right now? It's fucking 10.

So we recorded this at 3:25 a.m. So taken so we were supposed to record at 2 p.m. Today it ended up being a 2 a.m. Podcast But good thing cuz this is a sick podcast a podcast the stories insane, bro Go go stream rice boy sleeps man. Like watch that if you're on a plane. Yeah, look for this on the Air Canada only I was looking for out like fuck

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