Trump and Zelensky's Disastrous Meeting
2025/3/1
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Ben Rhodes
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Brian Glenn
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J.D. Vance
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Tommy Vitor
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Zelensky
Tommy Vitor: 我认为这次会面是一场灾难，它暴露了特朗普政府对乌克兰的真实态度，以及共和党对特朗普的屈服。泽连斯基的反应虽然在战术上有所欠缺，但它也揭示了美国政策的转变，以及乌克兰需要与欧洲建立独立的立场。
Ben Rhodes: 我认为这次会面是椭圆形办公室历史上最糟糕的会面之一。特朗普和J.D. Vance对泽连斯基的攻击不仅是对乌克兰总统个人的侮辱，更是对乌克兰人民的侮辱。他们对事实的歪曲，以及对乌克兰的无情，令人震惊。泽连斯基的疲惫和绝望也令人同情。
Zelensky: 普京破坏了停火协议，杀害了我们的人民，并且没有交换战俘。我们签署了战俘交换协议，但他没有遵守。我不会屈服于压力，我会继续为我的国家争取最好的结果。
J.D. Vance: 我认为泽连斯基在椭圆形办公室试图在媒体面前争论是不尊重的。他应该感谢总统试图结束冲突。乌克兰面临着人力短缺的问题，应该专注于解决国内问题。
Donald Trump: 泽连斯基不尊重美国，他没有感谢美国提供的帮助。他应该为自己的行为负责，并为可能引发的第三次世界大战承担责任。
Brian Glenn: 泽连斯基为什么不穿西装？这是对美国办公室的不尊重。
Deep Dive
Tommy and Ben dive into the chaotic meeting between Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at the White House, which devolved into an argument resulting in Zelensky's delegation being thrown out. They explore the roles of various participants and the underlying tensions.
- The meeting was initially intended to discuss rare earth minerals and the future U.S.-Ukrainian relationship.
- Trump and J.D. Vance confronted Zelensky, leading to the Ukrainian delegation's expulsion.
- The meeting was described as unprecedented and chaotic, with comparisons to past diplomatic tensions.
- Zelensky pointed out Putin's ceasefire violations, challenging J.D. Vance's rhetoric.
- Vance's comments on Ukraine were seen as Kremlin-aligned, labeling visits to Ukraine as propaganda tours.
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