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How a Political Party Can Rise from the Dead

2025/3/9
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Tommy Vitor: 目前民主党在美国的处境艰难,共和党掌控了白宫、国会和法院,右翼媒体的影响力空前强大。民主党很容易失去希望,担心永远无法重掌权力。但我们可以从英国工党的经验中学习,在1979年到1997年间,工党在撒切尔夫人执政时期长期失势,直到1997年才在布莱尔领导下赢得大选。 我希望与今天的嘉宾,Alistair Campbell进行探讨,他是托尼·布莱尔最信任的顾问之一,也是播客《The Rest Is Politics》的联合主持人。我们将讨论Alistair和托尼·布莱尔如何帮助英国摆脱撒切尔主义的铁腕统治,以及民主党可以从中学到哪些经验教训和策略,以在美国赢得权力。我们还将讨论Alistair对唐纳德·特朗普的总体看法,以及他对特朗普颠覆美国75年外交政策的看法,包括疏远欧洲传统盟友并与俄罗斯结盟。最后,我们将讨论我们可以从欧洲各地的右翼民粹主义政党中学到什么关于MAGA运动以及如何击败它们。 Alistair Campbell: 工党在长期失势后,通过“现代化”战略成功实现复兴,这并非仅仅是表面上的改变,而是向选民传递了工党已经改变的信号。成功的政治策略需要一个宏大的叙事框架,将所有政策和行动串联起来,就像特朗普的“让美国再次伟大”一样。工党的策略围绕“现代化”主题展开,这个主题可以简洁地概括其策略,并贯穿始终。民主党不应该仅仅依靠对手的失误获胜,而应该积极地展现自身方案,并利用对手的失误扩大优势。民主党需要迅速行动,因为时间紧迫,并且目前缺乏清晰的领导和策略。针对特朗普的有效攻击策略应该是关注其对普通民众的经济剥削,而不是仅仅停留在对个人品德的谴责上。信息纪律仍然重要,但它不意味着千篇一律,而是要保持一致的沟通主题。虽然全球化和自由贸易政策存在一些负面影响,但这并非导致特朗普上台的全部原因。特朗普对全球秩序的破坏以及对盟友关系的损害,引发了广泛的担忧。右翼民粹主义政党高度组织化,且在沟通策略和信息传播方面非常有效。左翼不应该模仿右翼民粹主义的策略,而应该专注于解决问题并团结民众。民主党不应该仅仅维护现状,而应该提出具有颠覆性的变革方案,并与民众进行真诚的沟通。

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This chapter explores the strategies employed by the Labour Party in the UK to overcome a long period of opposition and win back power. It focuses on their rebranding efforts, the importance of a cohesive narrative, and the challenge of balancing bold ideas with avoiding missteps.
  • Labour's 18-year opposition period (1979-1997) under Thatcher's rule
  • Modernization as the core theme of Labour's rebranding
  • The development of a long-term narrative ('New Labour, New Britain')

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Donald Trump is looking pretty invincible right now, and it's easy to lose hope that Democrats will ever be able to regain power. But back in the '90s, liberals in Britain were in a similar predicament. Alastair Campbell, right hand man to former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair and co-host of the podcast "The Rest Is Politics," joins Tommy to discuss how the Labour Party vanquished the iron grip of Thatcherism, the importance of party rebranding, and how Democrats can reclaim populism in the age of Trump.

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