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Exclusive: The Harris Campaign On What Went Wrong

2024/11/26
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David Plouffe
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Jen O'Malley Dillon
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Quentin Fulks
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Stephanie Cutter
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Jen O'Malley Dillon:竞选团队将此次竞选视为一场势均力敌的选战,认为需要强大的投票日投票率才能获胜。虽然竞选团队预料到佛罗里达州的选情会偏红,弗吉尼亚州的领先优势会小于2020年,并且投票结果统计会持续较长时间,但最终结果未能如愿。她认为,最终未能缩小差距的原因是关键地区支持率略有下降,而非特朗普的投票率超出了预期。她还强调了在有限的时间内努力向选民讲述哈里斯的故事,并突出她与拜登和特朗普的不同之处,以及哈里斯努力展现自己与拜登和特朗普的不同,但由于时间紧迫,效果有限。她认为哈里斯在竞选过程中努力展现自己的独立性和愿景,但在现任政府的背景下,这并非易事。她还提到哈里斯在竞选活动中取得了显著进展,但最终未能获胜,以及哈里斯的竞选活动在关键战场州的表现优于全国平均水平,但仍不足以赢得选举。最后,她还强调了选民对哈里斯的了解越多,对其评价就越高,特别是在与特朗普的对比下。 David Plouffe:他认为竞选初期哈里斯的支持率落后,但后来逐渐追平,最终处于胶着状态。他指出这是一场势均力敌的选战,但政治环境严峻,民众普遍感到愤怒和不满,经济和通货膨胀成为主要影响因素。他认为,尽管政治环境严峻,但最终将选情拉近到势均力敌的状态,这本身就是一个积极的信号。他还提到哈里斯在老年选民中的表现超出预期,但共和党在非大学学历选民中的得票率有所提高。他认为最终未能获胜是因为政治环境和民众渴望改变的愿望对民主党造成了巨大挑战。他认为哈里斯在竞选初期落后,但后来逐渐追平,但选情始终没有出现大的转变。他还指出竞选后期选情胶着,需要更多未决定的选民支持才能获胜,但最终未能实现。 Quentin Fulks:他认为拜登退出竞选后,竞选团队立即进入危机管理模式,没有时间进行任何关于哈里斯竞选的预先规划。他指出拜登退出竞选后,竞选团队需要同时处理巩固代表和定义哈里斯形象等多个任务。他还提到特朗普的“变性人广告”并非真正关注变性人议题,而是试图让哈里斯显得脱离实际,并暗含经济因素,并利用哈里斯本人的话语来攻击她。他认为特朗普及其超级政治行动委员会在广告支出方面投入巨大,竞选团队需要在有限的资源下做出选择。他还强调了竞选团队需要在回应攻击和提升哈里斯形象之间取得平衡,以及竞选团队的测试结果显示,针对经济等其他议题的广告比直接回应“变性人广告”更有效。最后,他还提到特朗普的“变性人广告”的目标是影响非裔美国选民的投票,但最终效果不佳。 Stephanie Cutter:她认为竞选团队在很短的时间内需要重新调整竞选策略,以适应哈里斯的形象和背景。她还指出竞选团队的策略是通过定义哈里斯的形象,提醒人们特朗普执政的负面影响,并突出两者之间的差异来赢得选民。她还提到哈里斯团队曾试图安排她参加罗根的播客节目,但由于时间安排和竞选行程的限制而未能实现,以及哈里斯团队认为参加罗根的播客节目能够提高哈里斯的知名度,但最终未能成行。她还提到一些非政治类播客节目不愿涉足政治,因此哈里斯团队未能与他们合作。最后,她还提到竞选团队对非传统媒体的效用持谨慎态度,认为其可能只对特定群体有效,以及非传统媒体对年轻男性选民的影响力有限,而传统媒体则对老年选民的影响力更大。

Deep Dive

Key Insights

Why did the Harris-Walz campaign consider the race to be a margin of error contest?

The campaign saw the race as a margin of error contest because they believed it was a very close race throughout, with both candidates polling within a narrow range. They expected strong turnout and anticipated that Florida would lean redder and Virginia less so compared to 2020.

What factors contributed to the Harris-Walz campaign's inability to close the gap in the election?

Several factors contributed to the campaign's inability to close the gap: high Trump turnout in early voting, expected turnout in rural areas, lighter turnout in some areas they hoped for, and a slight drop in support in a few areas. These factors, combined with a close race, made a significant difference in a tight contest.

How did the Harris-Walz campaign define Kamala Harris to the electorate in a short time frame?

The campaign defined Kamala Harris through a convention that flipped from being built around Joe Biden to highlighting Harris's background, experience, and vision. They focused on her generational difference, non-ideological approach, and her record as a prosecutor to counter negative media information and Trump's attacks.

Why did the Harris-Walz campaign prioritize raising the stakes of a Trump second term over solely lifting up Kamala Harris?

The campaign prioritized raising the stakes of a Trump second term because Trump's first term was judged favorably by enough people to give him the election. They needed to raise concerns about his second term to win over undecided voters and independents who were dissatisfied with the current direction of the country.

How did the Harris-Walz campaign try to distance Kamala Harris from President Biden while still being part of his administration?

The campaign emphasized Harris's generational difference, her career outside of Washington, and her focus on reaching across the aisle to find common-sense solutions. They highlighted her economic policies and personal stories that reflected the needs of the electorate, aiming to show her as a new generation of leadership within the Biden administration.

Why did the Harris-Walz campaign decide not to respond directly to the trans-related ads from the Trump campaign?

The campaign decided not to respond directly to the trans-related ads because their testing showed that direct responses did not perform as well as more positive ads focusing on Harris's economic policies and future-oriented vision. They believed that responding in kind would play into Trump's hands and not effectively move the needle in a close race.

What role did the trans-related ad play in the Harris-Walz campaign's strategy, particularly concerning black voters?

The trans-related ad was targeted in Philadelphia and Atlanta, areas with significant black voter populations, to make the campaign's job harder in consolidating black male voters. While the ad did not move vote share, it did create a narrative that made reaching and consolidating these voters more difficult for the campaign.

Why did the Harris-Walz campaign invest heavily in digital and field operations despite traditional media being less effective?

The campaign invested heavily in digital and field operations to reach young people, lower propensity voters, and those who were tuned out to politics. They needed to find alternative ways to engage with voters who were not responding to traditional media, using relational organizing and empowering volunteers to speak to people in their own lives.

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The Harris-Walls campaign felt the race was very close and expected strong turnout. They anticipated Florida to be redder and Virginia to be less favorable than in 2020. They saw high Trump turnout in early vote and expected the night to go long due to state results taking time. They didn't see overwhelming turnout for Trump but noticed lighter turnout in areas they hoped for, which ultimately affected the outcome.
  • The campaign saw the race as a margin of error race.
  • High Trump turnout in early vote was seen as mode shifting.
  • Lighter turnout in hoped-for areas made a significant difference in a close race.

Shownotes Transcript

In this candid interview, the leaders of the Harris-Walz Campaign speak for the first time about the challenges they faced and why they made the decisions they did. Dan sits down with Jen O'Malley Dillon, David Plouffe, Quentin Fulks, and Stephanie Cutter to talk about the campaign's roadmap, their approach to nontraditional media outlets like Joe Rogan, the voters they most needed to win over, why they fell short in the end, and what Democrats should do differently next time.

 

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