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Can Biden Stop Trump’s Revenge Tour?

2024/12/6
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Steve Schale
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Jon Favreau认为,面对特朗普及其盟友公开宣称的政治报复,拜登政府有必要考虑对潜在目标人物进行先发制人的赦免,以保护民主制度和个人权利。他认为,特朗普的行动并非假设性威胁,而是一种现实的政治报复,赦免是对此威胁的合理回应。尽管此举可能引发公众对政府腐败的质疑,但这远不及特朗普的威胁对民主制度造成的损害严重。他建议,如果要进行赦免,应该公开透明地列出所有将被赦免的人员名单,并清晰地解释赦免的原因,以减少公众误解。 Dan Pfeiffer则表达了对先发制人赦免的担忧。他认为,此举可能加剧公众对政府腐败的印象,并难以向普通选民解释其必要性。此外,赦免范围的界定也存在挑战,如何平衡保护个人权利与维护公众信任是一个难题。他认为,赦免应该限于那些为履行职责而采取行动的政府官员,避免扩大范围,以免造成更大的政治风险。他同时指出,此举与亨特·拜登的赦免存在关联,需要统一解释,避免负面影响进一步扩大。

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Why is the White House considering preemptive pardons for individuals targeted by Trump and his allies?

The White House is considering preemptive pardons to protect individuals from potential prosecutions promised by Trump and his allies, as Trump has campaigned on prosecuting political opponents and appointed individuals like Kash Patel who have publicly listed enemies for prosecution.

What are the pros and cons of issuing preemptive pardons according to the podcast?

Pros include protecting individuals from an existential threat posed by Trump's promise to prosecute political enemies, and it is a rational response to his actions. Cons include the perception that it reinforces public distrust in government and corruption, and it may be hard to explain to the median voter the necessity of such pardons.

How did the Trump campaign target swing voters on streaming services?

The Trump campaign identified 6.3 million persuadable battleground state voters, about half of whom exclusively watched streaming TV. They targeted these 'streaming persuadables' with individualized ads on platforms that allowed such targeting, unlike the Harris campaign which used broader regional targeting.

Why did Democrats lose significant ground with Latino voters in Florida?

Democrats lost ground with Latino voters in Florida due to a combination of factors including the perception that the party focused too much on social issues like defunding the police and socialism, which resonated negatively with Cuban and Venezuelan communities who fled their countries to escape such regimes.

What is the state of the Democratic Party infrastructure in Florida, and why is it a concern?

The Democratic Party infrastructure in Florida is weak, operating with minimal full-time staff in a rented office space. This lack of investment and permanent infrastructure is a concern because it limits the party's ability to maintain consistent voter engagement and support, especially in non-presidential election years.

What recommendations does Steve Shale have for the Democratic Party to improve its performance?

Steve Shale recommends spending more money early in campaigns, using data more effectively to engage all voters, and diversifying the groups campaigning on behalf of nominees to include a broader range of voices and strategies. He also emphasizes the need for early and consistent organizing, treating all voters as persuasion targets, and redefining the party's focus to core issues like education and healthcare.

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The White House is considering preemptive pardons for individuals Trump has threatened to prosecute. This sparks debate among Democrats regarding the wisdom of such a move, weighing the pros and cons of preemptive pardons against the potential political ramifications.
  • White House considers preemptive pardons for Trump's targets
  • Debate among Democrats on the wisdom of preemptive pardons
  • Concerns about the impact on public trust and perception of guilt

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The White House considers preemptive pardons for the people Donald Trump and his allies have promised to target, setting off a debate among Democrats. Jon and Dan talk through the pros and cons of the move, who Biden could consider if he does move forward, and what Trump or other presidents might do in the future as a result. Then, veteran Democratic strategist Steve Schale talks with Dan about what led to the party's collapse in his home state of Florida, and why he's worried that the damage may spread.