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OPEC Divisions Deepen Ahead of Looming Oil Glut

2024/12/6
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路克·瓦加斯报道了OPEC内部关于未来石油产量计划的分歧日益加剧,一些成员国希望增产以争夺市场份额,而另一些成员国则希望维持高油价。这种分歧与即将到来的特朗普政府对能源政策的影响有关,特朗普曾表示希望降低油价并增加美国石油产量。同时,他还提名珀杜担任驻华大使,并任命萨克斯为白宫人工智能和加密货币顾问。王春汉分析了珀杜的政治立场,认为他既有反华言论,也有在亚洲的商业经验,这使得北京方面对他的任命持谨慎乐观态度。凯特琳·麦凯布报道了萨克斯的任命,认为这表明科技领袖在政府中的影响力日益增强,并表明特朗普对加密货币的支持。贝努瓦·福孔详细分析了OPEC内部的分歧,指出一些成员国(如阿联酋)超额生产,而另一些成员国则希望减产以维持高油价。他认为,特朗普政府的政策以及中国需求的疲软,都对OPEC的决策构成挑战。 王春汉详细分析了特朗普提名珀杜担任驻华大使的决定。她指出,珀杜在参议院期间发表了一些被认为是对华强硬的言论,例如提及中国的军事威胁,并访问台湾表达支持。然而,珀杜在亚洲的商业经验,特别是他在香港居住的两年,也可能使他能够采取更务实的对华政策。她还提到,中国外交部发言人对这一任命仅表示注意到相关报道,没有进一步评论。 凯特琳·麦凯布报道了特朗普任命萨克斯为白宫人工智能和加密货币顾问的决定。她指出,萨克斯是一位硅谷投资者,曾是特朗普的早期支持者,并与埃隆·马斯克有密切联系。她认为,这一任命进一步支持了特朗普对加密货币的立场,并表明科技领袖在政府中的影响力日益增强。她还提到,一些加密货币高管对这一任命表示欢迎,认为这将有助于在美国发展加密货币产业。 贝努瓦·福孔深入分析了OPEC内部关于石油产量计划的分歧。他指出,沙特阿拉伯长期以来对OPEC战略拥有无可争议的主导地位,但现在这种局面正在发生变化。一些成员国希望增产以最大化短期利润,而另一些成员国则希望维持高油价。他认为,特朗普政府的政策、页岩油生产商的竞争以及中国需求的疲软,都对OPEC的决策构成挑战。他分析了阿联酋超额生产以及伊拉克和哈萨克斯坦等国也超额生产的情况,这些都加剧了OPEC内部的紧张局势。他认为,OPEC最终决定维持现有产量,这是一种权宜之计,但未来仍面临诸多不确定性。

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Why are divisions within OPEC deepening?

Divisions are deepening due to the Trump factor, which changes the calculus for Middle East conflict and oil market dynamics. OPEC members must choose between higher prices (less oil) or defending market share (lower prices to compete with U.S. shale).

What is motivating the shift in OPEC's decision-making process?

The shift is motivated by the Trump administration's potential impact on oil prices and U.S. production levels, creating a competitive environment for OPEC.

How does the cost of oil production differ between Middle Eastern countries and U.S. shale?

Middle Eastern countries can produce oil for a few dollars per barrel, while U.S. shale production costs around $40-$50 per barrel, requiring higher prices to be profitable.

What compromise was reached in the latest OPEC+ decision?

The compromise was to delay any changes in production levels for three months, maintaining the status quo despite internal disagreements.

What are the economic challenges facing Middle Eastern oil producers?

They face high economic needs due to large populations reliant on oil revenue and the necessity to invest in energy transition, creating a conundrum with no clear resolution.

How has the reopening of Notre Dame been perceived in France?

The reopening is seen as a significant achievement, but it coincides with political turmoil in France, potentially overshadowing the event's significance for President Macron.

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Donald Trump picks his nominee for ambassador to China and names a czar for AI and crypto. Plus, divisions within OPEC as the oil cartel braces for change in Washington. The Trump factor will change the calculus for a lot of players. You have to choose. You want higher prices, which means less oil coming from OPEC and its partners, or defend your market share. And Parisians prepare to celebrate the reopening of Notre Dame.

It's Friday, December 6th. I'm Luke Vargas for The Wall Street Journal, and here is the AM edition of What's News, the top headlines and business stories moving your world today. President-elect Donald Trump says he plans to nominate former Georgia Senator David Perdue as ambassador to China, putting the business executive in a key role navigating relations between the world's two largest economies.

I asked Journal China politics reporter Chun-Han Wang how the pick is going over in Beijing. I spoke to some Chinese academics and foreign affairs commentators, and they seem to take a cautiously optimistic view. They point to the fact that even though Perdue has said some things that have led him to be considered to be somewhat anti-China, he's also had this extensive experience as a business executive in Asia, including two years that he spent living in Hong Kong.

And his career in textile manufacturing and retail meant that he would have likely have had extensive experience dealing with Chinese contractors and understand the trade dynamics between the US and China.

and be able to offer more pragmatic advice to President-elect when he takes office. All right, Chun Han, so potentially a more pragmatic approach to things from Perdue. And yet you mentioned some of his past comments being perceived as anti-China. Tell us a bit more about his political record and what we can maybe glean from it.

Yes. During his time in the Senate, he had said certain things that can be seen as fairly hawkish on China. He talked about the military threat that China poses to the United States, for example, in maritime power and even in space. He visited Taipei in 2018, where he met the then Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen.

and expressed support for U.S. policy towards supporting Taiwan. So this is a hot-button issue. It's a key issue for China. China has traditionally expressed very stern opposition to official U.S. interactions with Taiwanese political leaders. So the fact that he has done this before could be seen as negative in Beijing.

Asked about Trump's choice of Perdue, which is subject to Senate confirmation, a Chinese foreign ministry spokesman said only that Beijing had noticed the relevant reports and didn't offer further comment.

Meanwhile, Trump said Silicon Valley investor David Sachs will serve in a role that he's calling his White House AI and crypto czar, signaling the growing influence of tech leaders in the new administration. Sachs was one of the first vocal supporters of Trump in Silicon Valley and has strong ties to Elon Musk, having worked with the Tesla CEO at PayPal more than two decades ago.

Here's Journal reporter Caitlin McCabe. This further supports Trump's rhetoric about being a strong supporter of crypto. Looking at Sachs' history, he comes from the world of venture capital and has invested in crypto and AI startups. Tech leaders had hoped that the next president would have a friendlier stance on crypto. And they've also pressed for friendlier federal policies around artificial intelligence, which

And it seems like crypto executives are pretty pleased with this appointment. We saw Emily Choi, for example, who is the president and COO of Coinbase, post on social media that it is, quote, time to build in the U.S., unquote. America's second largest health insurer, Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield, is reversing a policy change that would have placed a time limit on the use of anesthesia.

A company statement described the decision as driven by misinformation being spread about the policy, which would have tied payments to the duration of procedures, noting that medically necessary anesthesia would have been paid for as long as providers submitted documentation about why they deviated from clinical guidelines.

Among those critical of the policy were New York Governor Kathy Hochul and Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy, who called it appalling and suggested it was an attempt to boost corporate profits.

Anthem's decision comes as Wednesday's killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson has fueled an outpouring of frustration with companies that provide medical care coverage, especially over denials of service and requirements that patients and doctors get permission from insurers before medical procedures, a practice known as prior authorization.

According to an American Medical Association survey, nearly a quarter of doctors said that prior authorization led to a serious adverse event for a patient, and 94 percent said it had delayed necessary care. And in markets news today, global food prices climbed to a 19-month high in November, according to the U.N. Food and Agriculture Administration.

Fueling the jump was a 7.5 percent monthly increase in vegetable oil prices. Overall, the measure of prices for a basket of staple foods stands 5.7 percent higher than a year earlier. And the Labor Department will release November's jobs report at 8.30 a.m. Eastern. The payroll's data will be a key consideration for the Federal Reserve as it prepares for its next interest rate decision due on December 18th.

Coming up, correspondent Benwafo Khan joins us to discuss widening divisions among oil producers bracing for the incoming Trump administration. We've got that story and more after the break.

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Oil prices are edging lower today, despite a decision yesterday by the OPEC oil cartel and its allies to further delay a planned increase in production. That move by OPEC+ comes as the market deals with softer prices and concerns about an impending oil glut. But as the journal's Benoit Faucon is here to discuss, divisions within the cartel are widening amid a push by some members to pump more and maximize short-term profits.

Ben, while you describe the decision-making process within OPEC as being increasingly fractious below the surface, this coming after a long period in which Saudi Arabia, in your words, had unquestioned dominance over the group's strategy, what is motivating this shift? So first of all, there's the Trump factor, which we know will change the calculus for a lot of players in the Middle East conflict, but also in the oil market. You know, you have to remember that Trump said actually two things. One is,

We want lower oil prices for U.S. consumers, but we also want more U.S. production, which does need prices at a reasonable level. So what the OPEC players are reading is, OK, there's going to be more oil coming and more competition for OPEC. So it presents a bit of a choice in immediate term strategy. Exactly. So you have to choose. You want OPEC.

Higher prices, which means less oil coming from OPEC and its partners, or different new market share, which means lower prices because that's the best way you have to find shale, which typically rely on a certain level of prices. I mean, you compare with...

the cost of producing in the Middle East. Most countries, it would cost a few dollars a barrel to pump oil, while in Shell, you have numbers like $40, $50. You need a minimum level. So the question is higher prices or defending your market share. And it seems like, at least for now, defending higher prices has kind of won the day over taking back market share. But it sounds like there are still several countries very eager to bring more production online, including two that have exceeded their quotas in the past, which I guess raises the question of

following yesterday's decision. Yes, these players feel that Saudi Arabia gave a free pass to

to its neighbor, the United Arab Emirates, by allowing them to increase their production separately from the rest of the group. But actually, yesterday, there was a slight delay agreed of three months for that increase. So that was a compromise. But they feel like the UAE says it has the possibility of increasing more. It's invested money in that production. But other countries say, well, it's the same for us. Iraq and Kazakhstan have exceeded their quota significantly for many months.

because they invested in new capacity and now they want to take advantage and so effectively legalize or normalize the production level they are at. And that's creating a tension because other members want actually to cut production for the group. On the other hand, you have a lot of players who say, well, it makes no sense to bring more oil when there's going to be an excess of oil, there's going to be a surplus next year. We have the Iranian going on the record and saying they felt that.

production should actually be cut. So, yeah, it's basically all over the place. And the compromise was let's do nothing. Let's change nothing in our production level. And finally, Benoit, in our final seconds, what are market watchers and economists making of this? Evidently, some producers are buying themselves some time to see how the Trump administration actually shakes out. But is there a sense that producers are going to be able to make prices rise?

work for them in more of the medium term? They're in a risky place because production level from rivals, OPEC rivals, effectively force OPEC to likely retreat in the medium term. At least some of its producers, specifically the Saudis. You add to that demand situation, which has been very disappointing in China. China never really came back to sort of engine of global all demand growth that it used to be before COVID.

And that's another factor to consider when you are an oil producer, Middle East oil producer, which at the moment will have very high economic needs because they're all trying to diversify. They've got large populations that rely at the moment on this oil revenue, but they also need to invest for the energy transition. So that's a real conundrum that they don't seem to have resolved yet. I've been speaking to Wall Street Journal correspondent Benoit Faucon. Benoit, thanks as always for the update. Yeah, thank you. See you.

And finally, dozens of world leaders will be in Paris this weekend to mark the reopening of Notre Dame, more than five years after the cathedral was ravaged by fire. Its rebuilding became one of the most complicated reconstruction projects that France had ever undertaken on a historical monument.

Journal reporter Noemi Bissert will be on hand this weekend and says the celebrations come as President Emmanuel Macron's government is in turmoil. Macron announced that France would rebuild Notre Dame in five years, just hours after the fire. Stunning experts who thought it would take at least 15 or 20 years.

So it's quite an achievement. The world got its first glimpse of the cathedral last week when Macron took viewers on a live televised tour of Notre Dame. So you can see that a cream-coloured limestone inside the cathedral has been stripped of ash, lead dust, but also centuries of accumulated grime. So its vaults, columns and walls are startlingly bright. I think that Macron was really hoping that this reopening would mark a moment of national unity and would also be an opportunity for him to shine.

But the collapse of his government this week really risks spoiling it for him. France is going through this unprecedented political crisis, and many in France blame him for it. So the timing is really bad for the French president. And that's it for What's News for Friday morning. Today's show was produced by Kate Bullivant. Our supervising producer was Daniel Bach.

And I'm Luke Vargas for The Wall Street Journal. We will be back tonight with a new show. Otherwise, have a great weekend and thanks for listening.