Talking Dateline: The Killer Among Them
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Hi, everybody is judged with, and we are talking daylight today with Andrew canning. Hi, Andrea. Hi, hi. So this episode is called the killer.

Among them, from nineteen ninety six and a land, a million lanthern, and was found bludgeoned death in his home. And detectives dug ged into his life. IT turned out one of the people closed to him was his killer.

And that person had actually been at his big glamour, his birthday party in a landa, just a little while before he was killed. So if you have not listened to this episode yet, IT is the episode right below this one on the list of podcasts that you just chose from. So go there, listen to IT, or if you want to watch IT, you can stream IT on p cock or watch IT on your dvr, and then come back here.

Now, when you come back, Andrea has an extra clip that he wants to play for us from the killers police interrogation. And also later we're going to answer some of your questions about the episodes, social media. And now let's talk the line. So you say killer among us in the episode is this one of those rare institution, which the title is actually a year title.

So I did not come up with this title, but I actually, I watched the show friday like everyone else at home. I mean, i'd seen IT before that, but I didn't notice that. And I had the same question. Did the title come from this? So I actually just tested Susan, all who comes up with a lot of our titles, and i'm waiting to her back from her.

Maybe you like the use. I like that. So I loved the using of the clouds and the weather to sort of set the sea at the top. And then IT ends with the candles being blown out, which suddenly looks very ominous, which is Normally very happy thing. I thought that was great. The whole idea that, like, you just celebrate this birthday with this sort star started party and now, but he's dead and also the fact that the killer was at that party yeah.

I mean, IT really reads like a mystery novel when you when you set IT up that way, almost like an ega Christie and our crew, a jp Julie um is are they actually went to party city and bought this party stuff so they could shoot up at the top of a hotel and the same right .

yeah we just clearly we .

wanted IT to be authentic to really kind of go back to that place. And they did a really good job. I thought.

yeah, I love that that draws you into the the mystery that follows. And one of the things that sort of jumped out at me in this episode was sort of how weird the crime scene was, like, put the girlfriends picture face down the side of the bed that says to me, I didn't want to see that woman, right, stopping the clocks, which I guess maybe was to prevent the a ARM from going off and somebody finding the body sooner.

That's what I was thinking about, the clocks. Yeah, the crime sea. No, I kept calling IT like a game of clue. There are so many clues, the wrench and the the clock, as you mentioned. And the photo turned down in the shower.

And the gum rappers.

the good rappers. I mean, I was like the ranch in the library with the mister plum. I felt like there were so many clues.

The the gummer rappers were found on the ground. I think the first long enforcement theory was that this person standing outside the house watching him at chewing gum, throwing the rappers on the ground.

I call IT the smoking gun. I didn't make .

the show. I know you love that. I'm applauding here.

Yes, so I am. I used eliminate lana before this happened. I love there about forty years ago. It's one of my favorites. And yeah.

I like.

I called a friend of mine who lives there, and I asked if he knew Lance because they sort of rain in the same circles background, SHE said SHE SHE had even seen the episode when I talked to there. And he was like, oh yeah, I remember that story and remember he died and he was a huge womanizer. That was like the first thing that came out of, and SHE hadn't even seen your .

story every day line is a mystery. But this one really felt like so many .

suspects IT definitely did because of his sort of crazy social life in which there were all these women who, many of whom that are sort of a quite legitimate reason to feel booed by him and angry at him. On the other side.

though, people really loved lands too. He had some really good friends, and they said that he was so welcoming to people, to atlanta, and he took care of people. And so this is not a guy who's all bad here.

josh. A, I mean, he clearly had issues with women, by nature, of being with many women. You know, maybe you're not treating them that well, but you know it's a two way street.

Sometimes don was married too, right? So what SHE doing like she's having an affair on her husband. I think it's a little bit of a two way street as well in in some situations.

I will say one of the great sort of redeeming things about this story is how well Harrison turned out, yeah, he seems to be like, he seems to be like, live in the life. That is dad, probably what I wanted for him.

Yeah, Harrison is a sweet art. I mean, he is such a big personality. That's what I loved about him.

Like right from the get code from the moment I met him is he's one of those people you immediately feel at ease with. He just has a very bubble personality and he's really Frank about IT. And something I thought was interesting wasn't, I don't, if you noticed in the show.

he he calls his dad .

Lance instead of dad. I asked him, why don't you call him dad? And he said he was raised by a step dad who he thinks of as a dad.

And that Lance, his father, is this larger than life character to him and is so much grander. Remember, Harrison was so little when his dad died. And so how he speaks about lunch and how he's shaped his life, even not being here, the way he lives, his professional life and going after his dreams. So I thought that was really nice, that he still Carries him with him in that way.

When we come back, we have an extra clip from dion boas police interrogation, which is one of the more fun police interrogations i've ever watched.

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So let's talk some more about the ot. I mean, IT feels like everybody in the episode at one time or another had had warned Lance about her like why are you doing this? This is not she's Young and she's she's clearly swayed by the fact that i'm getting on Mercedes and i'm showering her with .

money yeah I need you have to wonder how genuine is that relationship if IT seems like it's .

based on monetary thanks a she's got this letter with her that I guess he thought is gonna her that car?

That was weird.

But in fact, it's like we're in a sandwich's ard that says.

I did IT you odd like who does that and why would anyone believe that?

Yes, what you doing, you sort of want to say that the on you were already stocking him. Police already knew that. He already knew that. Like, come on.

obviously yeah, she's gonna on the radar after that, I mean, he's found pledged to death and bed and everyone says how jealous .

this woman is so at some point Diana is in there for the police interrogation in which, but i'm gona say does not realize that he is that the persona SHE is showing the cops is more important than the things that are coming out of her mouth because she's telling a story it's later gets picked apart. But sort of way he talked about lands and about money and about what she's old and who he is that sort of tells you more about the on than any single thing he says.

yeah and also her smiling and is this going to be on camera who talks like that in a police interview room? And also your boyfriend was just murder, blood to death, like who you is .

just bizarre .

behavior all around. Everything was bizarre about her.

I don't know. Like a good time to listen to some extra sound that did not make the episode. So let's listen to that. This is the on talking about how he felt fearful after Lances death.

There is, apparently i'm so glad I marry because he was so excited in that he exposed to a lot of things but after all of this is .

like there's a part of me that just wish I I .

never knew him and all I will go to my house the night time because i'm just so afraid I watching me. I know again and I don't know if people knew that were each other. I don't know people sells together. You know, just know.

you know, the interesting thing there is that she's clearly lying. Now we know that I was afraid the cops are playing long earlier in that same interrogation. They're lying about the video cameras and she's playing along. It's a nice little dance that's going on there, that little tinny room.

That's true. I got the impression that he just thought he was smarter or that they would just like believe whatever SHE was selling.

How many times on date line have we seen that people who sit down in that room and think i'm smarter than these guys who are interrogating me and they're not right, you know, SHE as on the stand in her divorce trial, or SHE tells the two on the stand in the divorce trial, which which is line at the cap, but you can't get her stories. And IT clearly didn't occur to her that cops are going .

to be watching .

both of those things. That was a big ups. Sy, yeah, I love the 呃， the prosecutor go into the divorce hearing.

I know, right? Clint shows up like a fly on the wall in the back, and he has no idea.

Print rocket, when he was, when he was a prosecutor, he was the prosecutor in the text macavoy case, which we covered here on day line and he did a thing which I in that case, which I think he did in other cases, which is when he's giving I can't remember whether it's his opening or his sumac. At the end, he had a jar of muddy water, but he he shakes IT up like a Mason jar are full of water and dirt. And so it's all muddy.

And he puts IT down on the edge of the jury box, and he says, this is cloudy by the time I get through with my argument to take my seat. This jar is going to be clear. And it's going to be clear, just like each and every one of your minds will be clear about the guilt of this defended.

And then, and then he lays out his case, and that takes an hour, some because it's a long opening or long formation. By the end, the silt has settled and you can see through the water. It's a good prop. I love that. I don't know if he did IT in your .

trial and had a prop in this one. two. He had the wrench they bought at home deepo because they never found the murder weapon. And tell me the former petrol officer thinks the wrenches at the bottom of the childhood cha river.

tell me, was a good interview.

I liked him and you know, he was so great for the story being so old and that he wasn't one of the detectives on the case, but he knew the case so well, even being .

a patrolman.

yeah, yeah. And that he had that connection showing up when dion, when he says that he can see dion's leg, but he doesn't know it's dion, but he sees a leg in the car and he's like, woop hack and then it's dion and he gets her out of the car and then he said he just went like she's take the yes, yes.

So she's convicted at the first trial couple years later. Her conviction is overturned on appeal. She's retried this time that does not go to verdict and they offer her manslaughter and SHE takes and SHE does ten years and the hon. Is out now walking around yeah any idea what she's been up to?

No, we were not able to find her. I thought maybe she'd gone back to jamaica, you know? But no idea. okay.

After the break, we will be back to answer some of your questions from social media.

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So for the first time on talking daylight, we have some audio questions from social media, from our viewers, which is a new thing that we're doing. So let's listen to that. So from instagram and actually, linton.

hi, I was just listening to deadlier dance. And a silly question popped up for Andrea. How does that feel when you are on the plane watching an episode of date line that you are featured on? Are you embarrassed if somebody sees you watching date line you're on IT? Or how does that make you feel?

I have not have the experience of seeing myself on an airplane.

The timing was perfect. I was coming home from salt lake city last week. And boom, there was my this, this deadline are aired on the plane on N.

B. C. And yes, there I was watching IT. And I wasn't embarrassed because I don't think anyone new or was like really paying attention to me or old watching.

So nobody is pointing at the screen and the like.

So but I got to be honest, I really wanted to say to the guy next to me, that's me, that's my show, but would never do that. So but thank you. Actually, good question. I like IT out.

And now next from medicine, pat.

has there ever been a new story from the past? IT doesn't matter what the time line is, but from the past that you wish stateline had covered and there wasn't an opportunity to do so.

I can answer that question, which is that sometimes there are stories that we want to do, and the people in them that we need interview them, they want to get paid. That's happened to me once or twice. They want some kind of monetary compensation, and we do not pay people because one that changes the story.

We're not in that business. And you can't know when you pay people. You're sort of saying them. We expect a great story out of you and it's sort of encourages them to kind of soup up their account. So yeah.

we don't pay people.

The whole story falls apart, right? Let's go to more social media. Join f 3， eighty nine, four, seven or five, which is a very catchy social media.

My gosh, and I will never forget .

that handle. Yeah, I wanted to get that, but apparently .

he was taken.

Yeah, that's the first one I went after.

I love you, Joanna.

She's referring to Lances a phone call telling his friend to take care of herself right before he was killed. And he says, that sounds like a goodbye, all like he knew I was coming. I don't think he knew .

that was coming. Yes, no, but but his friends sure thought IT was odd.

I think in fact, he wasn't suspicious enough because he shouldn't let that .

loan into his house. yeah. But sh'll never forget that call and he did think IT wasn't IT IT wasn't like him to call out of the blue and talk like that.

Next, southern beach girl says, if you have to designate girlfriends as primary and secondary aries, I don't want to be in the less yeah I would agree.

I agree with these southern beach girl, absolutely. Yep.

mike, age nineteen ninety, says a horrible for tana because he tried to warn him as best he could and he said that, I mean, that's yeah SHE. I mean, I thought of all the people in this that were actually involved in, i'm not counting the sun because he was a baby at the time. But I mean, he was, you know, SHE was on the side of the Angel.

SHE loved him. SHE cared about him. He worked for him. He was trying to sort of keep him on the .

right path and what what a great interview to i'll say about to lona. I really enjoyed meeting her, really like her as a person. Um SHE was such .

a great ad to the show free k two or freak EV twenty two no way to know, says he least a married woman of Mercedes. How on earth that her husband not? That's a good question. I presume at some point dian's husband had across police radar, right? I mean, that's yeah that's the kind of thing that makes you want to kill somebody you find out and somebody y's not only seeing your wife, but at least their car.

right? Oh, by the way, Susan all responded about .

that question that we had.

Susan all says who writes her titles a lot of the time he said he did come up with the name based on my question, the killer among us. Wow, in the shop. So I was her news. There you go, kay. There's .

your update.

And that's the nice of thing you've .

ever said to me, josh, that is talking deadline for this week.

Before we go, you have a new podcast called deadly merage.

Yes, this is a story from here in california. From about ten years ago, there was a whole other life that went on involving open marriage and involving what people would call wife swapping. My wife and I and Robin sabrena would engage in sexual activities if that's .

what a couple agrees with in their marriage, and that's business.

And then there was also infidelity that, in this case was not sanctioned. And then there was a murder that came from that. And that is one hell of a story. And one of the amazing things which made a lot of people crazy was the idea that that religion was used as sort of a way, and not only justify the murder, but also cover IT up. Look forward to IT, and that's called debt .

more very shortly. awesome. Thanks charge. This has been fun as always.

Andrea. Thank you, and thanks to everyone for listening to us. Remember, if you have any questions for us about our stories or any cases that you think we should, you can reach out to us on social at at dateline nbc or send us an audio message for a chance to be featured in our next talking deadline episode.

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