Ep 167: Richard Jefferson & Lagavulin
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Oh, that's the Offerman! We had Nick Offerman on here and we drank it with him. Alright, this is you. Did you see his episode of The Last of Us? Oh my god, dude.

It's unreal. He's fucking great. When he was doing his tour with his wife, my buddy worked for Lack Nation, so they came through. He got me the sign fucking thing that hangs up in my house. I'm a big fan. Oh, yeah. He's a mensch. He's a good dude. Woodworker, humorist, actor, booze. Yeah, he had a... Awesome wife. Yeah. Just like... He's got it all. Yeah.

Yeah, we did a gig with him in Calgary, and he had a 5 a.m. pickup, and he still drank with us. I was like, that's a good dude. Yeah, he's next level. He's cool. All right. Do we drink on this thing? Yeah. Okay. You're struggling, right? I'm struggling. But I'll have a little for sure. No, I was on the road in Florida. Nothing worse than an urgent care in Dania Beach. I mean, really just fucking terrible.

I've never had worse. I had an Uber driver who was like, I'm going to urgent care and he keeps taking me the wrong way. And I'm just like, I'm going to see it. And then he goes, you're going to urgent care. Are you okay? And I was like, I've got chest pains. He's like, chest pains? That's not good. I'm like, I know. I'm going to urgent care. Right, right. I don't know what to do. I mean, we're basically on. We're recording. We're rolling, baby. I think our first athlete guest. Yeah. That was my first.

I did not know that you had that one. I did a podcast with Julian Edelman. He never came on. We got to get him on at some point. Why are they not on? He's in L.A. I live in L.A. Good point. But you're calling a game here, right? Are you calling the Nets tomorrow? Well, I called the Nets yesterday for the Yes Network, and then I'm calling the game tomorrow for ESPN. With the Phoenix? Yeah, the Phoenix. Kevin Durant's back.

I don't want to speak too soon. But Ben Simmons is back. Yeah, he played well last night. He played really well last night. He balled last night. Yeah. It gets exciting. Are you still kind of a Nets fan? Or do you go Cavs? Or what do you mean? You know what? Those are my two teams. I won a championship with one. Got drafted by the other. Spent a lot of time there. So...

Yeah, I got some loyalty from two very medium fan bases. I wish it was the Lakers and the Celtics, but hey, it is what it is. No, they hate me. Knicks fans hate me. We don't hate you. I'm familiar with Knicks Twitter. I'm a big Knicks fan, and they don't hate you. They just love Kendrick Perkins right now. Yeah, but that's... And they hate Stephen A. Yes, which is weird. It's not that weird.

Yes. I don't understand. Because he's a Nick guy, so he does all this stuff. But he trashes us, and it's like not why. He trashes us for not going all in for Donovan Mitchell. And then he did the whole narrative. There we go. Come on, man.

We're really doing it. We're really doing it here. And you bought the Nick Offerman blend. Well, honestly, I went to the liquor store right there. I don't even know where we are, but right there. And I was like, ah, let me grab something. I went there. I saw it up there. And I was like, you got to do it. You got to do it. Do you like a PD Scotch? Yes, I do. I normally do it in the rocks, but, you know, hey. We got rocks if you want any. God, these guys have everything. We're alcoholics. Why do you think I wanted to come on the podcast? Yeah. I was like...

Now, could you booze it up during training and all that, or is that crazy? As you get older, it gets harder, right? When you're 25, we could stay out until 5 a.m. and rage and then go score 30. You're doing a great job. Make sure he uses the tongs after his stomach. You don't know if it's contagious. You don't know what's going on. He's already had it. It's fine. That was worse ball handling than Simmons. I love you, Sim. No, you don't. No, you don't. Don't lie. I'm getting more into basketball slowly. I'm trying. I'm learning.

I'm more of a pickleball man. Are you? Well, you know, it's good on the weekends, low impact. That is the best scotch. It is really good. It is really good. Hold on. Good for him. He created a character so great that one of the storied scotch companies was like, hey, let's do your own blend. Let's do a little something. Sean Gillis just did it with Bud Light. He just got a Bud Light deal. Officially, a friend of ours, Sean Gillis. Dylan Mulshaney. He got so drunk on Joe Rogan enough that they were like, well, fucking, you know. Yeah.

Well, they pivoted. They were a trans guy, then they went to UFC. No. No. Sorry. No, I apologize. It's going to get worse. You were in the Cavs late in your career. That's where you won the chip. That was an amazing team. You had...

LeBron, Kevin Love, Kyrie. Iman Shumpert. I love Shumpert and JR. But it's like, even again, I tell people, when you look back on it now, the personalities that were on that team, because Shumpert's winning Dancing with the Stars, JR went back to college and is now a golfer. We had such a unique, random group of idiots.

that that was the only reason. We were too dumb to realize what coming back from 3-1 was going to do. We're like, ah, we're fine. We're going to do it the hard way. And then we got lucky, and now we're kind of immortalized. I'm not even drunk yet. In the kind of basketball world. Hell yeah. That was an awesome ring. I was definitely pulling for you guys, just because I wanted to see LeBron get one in Cleveland, obviously. You just wanted... And...

I mean, you broke my heart. I remember you were one of the reasons I quit smoking weed. You're at Nets team. Oh, really? Because you swept the Knicks right when we got home. That felt so good. Remember that? Yeah, that felt so good. That felt so good. I remember when Kenny Martin like body slammed Tim Thomas. I'm like, this isn't fucking fair. Oh, New York Post, Fugazi, all this other crazy stuff. Look, I remember that. But yeah, that shit was, man, people, that's part of the reason why the Knicks fans hate me is because there was a long stretch.

of like... Because you were good. You were a good team. We dominated them and it was kind of a rival and then I moved on and then... I didn't do that. And then... And then I started doing television and I started talking shit about the Knicks and there's nothing that they can kind of say back and then they just... Not about them, but now we're fucking... We're back on top. You guys are really good. How good is Jalen Brunson? He's special. He's special. And it's like...

People, oh, second round pick. It's like, dude, look, Jokic, no one knew. I know. But there's certain things that go. Draymond's second round pick. Brock Purdy, right? There's certain guys that you just put them in that fire and they understand and their skill set and they figure it out. And Brunson, he's special, bro. Like-

This is why the Knicks have a really good chance. He's on a smaller contract. Like he's a, he should be a max contract superstar type of guy. He will be next time, but you kind of have that window now where you wouldn't like, you can pay other superstars to come. Cause that's where you just say, we said good chance. You mean to contend for a championship? No, I think this is a window for contending for a championship, right? Like the, the window now is slow down. It's like, no, no, I've been saying to in the next two years, Oh,

Three years, Brunson's young, Randall's young, you know, your OG's young. So it's like, and... The role players are great. Brunson's not making a ton of money right now. So now, you know, now they have more cap stuff and all this other thing that makes it harder. So him having a team-friendly contract...

You guys got a chance. He's the best Nick point guard in my lifetime. Maybe since Walt Frazier, which is crazy to say, but he's unbelievable. Well, you guys don't have a long history of great point guards. It's true. Really good point guards. Derek Harper. I grew up and I love Derek Harper. Stephon Marbury had a stretch there, had a stretch there. But like, like we're talking about,

really good elite winning champ like championship point guards in my opinion he's he's one of them dudes I can't I'm fucking pumped we're going to the game next week it's Navarro it's the guy who's on his shirt right there

Another comedian. Do you know Stavros? I do not. You know what is funny? I listen to raw dog comedy so much, so there's a lot of comedians. I know their stuff, but I just don't know them by name. But yeah, I'll check them out. He's a great Netflix special right now. Yeah, so are you into comedy? I'm a fucking... I'm psychotic. I'm a fan about it. You know what it is? I feel that comedians are...

a part of the smartest group of people on the planet. Like, that's me. Like, I'm going to compliment comedians. I'm going to do this stuff. Because, like, look, growing up, I grew up with, you know, Richard Pryor. I grew up with Eddie Murphy. I grew up with Bill Cosby. Like, one of the kind of golden eras, you know, SNL had, like, iconic cast. So I just grew up loving comedy. And it got me in trouble a lot in school because I really didn't want to do anything but play sports and then fuck around in class.

And then as I got older, I just started listening more and just started learning like Patrice O'Neill, Mitch Hedberg. Oh, right there, yeah. Yeah, all these guys. That one stung me a little bit because I had just found him. Right. It was because he was doing the comedy roast and I just kind of found him. I was like, yo, this dude is next level. Then the more you dig into him, you're like, this dude is fucking...

Amazing. And then obviously he passed and it was just like, he's one of those dudes that's like, if he was still around, where he would be right now. He just missed the boom, I feel like. He was right there. Imagine him talking about Trump, talking about like trans and race and all that. That would be wild. He was, he was, he's special and I listened to his comedy specials and stuff, so. Yeah, I like Cosby's later work. Well, you know what's messed up about that is like my kids, I got two little boys, seven and nine and like,

It's like, okay, well, what show can we watch? That's not fucking cartoon. Yes. I watched the Cosby show. I watched the Cosby show. Look, there's not a lot of black families and, and there are more options now. Like we watch, uh, blackish, you know, you know, Edwards and all those guys, but it's like, I don't know. I, our Anderson, excuse me. I was thinking Anthony Edwards. Uh,

You know, you watch this and it's like, eventually I'll explain to them what this man did. But right now, we'll listen to the old Bill Cosby stuff on the way to school and shit like that. Yeah, I want to teach my kids proper sarcasm because I think it is a great tool for being able to deal with life. Because you can't always say the shit that you want. You can't always do, but sarcasm, that is a great tool. That's why you're good on TV, man. Because you have good word economy.

I don't mean to hate on Stephen A. Smith, but it's like five minutes straight, and it's like he said nothing. And then they've got guys like you and Redick who are really good. And I love Kendrick right now because he's on a big Knicks kick. But I feel like ESPN dipped a little bit for a while. And you're one of the guys, I think, keeping it up a little bit right now. Well, look, I thank you for that. I appreciate it. But understand the ESPN we grew up with –

where it was Dan Patrick and it was all of that crew, Stuart Scott. Rich Eisen. Rich Eisen. They're hilarious. People don't understand. These guys are comedians that are talking about sports, that know sports really, really well. That's why you could sit and watch the same sports center and hear the jokes and hear the bits because they're coming up with this. They're the ones writing all of the bartender jokes.

Jack and it's just like dude crushes a homerun it's like that's the shit that you grow up you're like it must be a homer because the pitcher just said doe doe but they would just you would hear one liners from these dudes and it was like they were trying to kind of one up each other right and they were doing so much stuff so like

That's the shit I grew up on, like watching SportsCenter and seeing guys laugh and have fun about it. The debate shit is cool. Don't get me wrong. I don't mind a debate. But anybody that's like, oh, it's like if you really are an OG ESPN watcher and you watched it growing up, ESPN News, those dudes were cracking jokes. Yes. And then they got so big that it kind of got – and now all of them – Rich Eisen has his own thing. Dan Patrick has his own thing. But these guys are just – they're hilarious. But my issue with the –

first take type setup as opposed to like you know NBA countdown or like even you know inside the NBA it's like kind of just dudes hanging out that's why I love inside the NBA whereas it turned into like iso ball yeah it turned into like guys just trying to get theirs instead of being like a team and like inside the NBA it feels like a team you know and they mess with each other a lot more so like

I don't know. It's one of those things that is part of like, it's also part of the ratings. So it's like they go where the audience tells them, like first take is the highest rated show. Now they have to get, you have to go over similar topics. So doing the show can be tough, but you get different voices on. And now that you see, like once they moved on from Kellerman-

They started, okay, we're going to have Dan Orlovsky. We're going to have Ryan Clark. We're going to have Swagoo. We're going to have a bunch of different guys. So you get different voices. It's hard to do that stuff now with just two voices, right? Where it used to be Skip and Shannon or Skip and Stephen A. That shit's hard to do because it's like, how many times can you talk about LeBron versus Jordan? How many times can we talk about legacy? That's why we have guests on our pod now because it turns into like, how many drunk stories can we tell before we need another person? Exactly. A lot.

Well, how many, and you've also heard each other. Everyone's right. My buddy, I do a podcast road tripping. Shout out with Channing Frye. Ex Nick. Yeah. We've had some battles with that one, but it's like he, like we were sitting there and it was like, he was like, Oh Richard, you've told this story. I'm like, yeah, Channing, we've known each other since we were 14. We know all, every girl I've made out with, you know, every bar we've ever been to. Like, you know, everything, this shit ain't for you, bro. I said that to my girlfriend once. Like,

You're the only person I hang out with. There's going to be reruns. Yeah. I'm not going to write a new act every, you know. No. And this is for the audience. The audience needs to hear the story. Does your girl get mad when you tell her? No, not what I'm saying. When you tell her a same story, she's like, you already told me. My girl will get mad. She'll be like, oh, you already told me that story. You must have been thinking about something. It's like, no, I just don't have shit else to say. I don't have anything else to say. It's like, hey, do you remember that so-and-so person? Yeah, yeah, we just talked about this a week ago. And it's like, oh, my bad, my bad. Yeah, your girl's like, you told me about that girl you made out with already.

Did you guys ever go hard at like a night out? Like that Cavs team, did you ever get drunk? I can't picture LeBron being like, we're going to get fucked up tonight.

You got to get drunk if you live in Cleveland. What else is there to do? That's a fake breath. I was noticing. I was like, is this a paperweight? Sorry, sorry. Well, I didn't know. And then it was like, okay, okay, back to what you were saying. We have the other one over there if you want to even it out. I'm more of a one-boob kind of guy. Kind of a uniboob. Yes. You know, you have to. Like, that's part. You're playing basketball from, you know.

September, October, all the way to May, June. And you got to, I will say this, like we, every athlete can say one of his, one of his crazier nights are after he had a bender. We, we landed in,

I must have been like 26, 27 years old. And we landed in Toronto. We had a game used to play early games. So we had a game probably like two o'clock.

And my boy was like, "Hey, let's go out to Vince's club." Vince had a club in Toronto, I think it was called Inside. - And Vince was on the Nets? - Vince was, I don't think he was on the Nets. He was on the Raptors at the time, but they were whatever, just okay. So we go there and we go to the club and we're like, "Okay, we're just gonna have a couple drinks. "We're just gonna hang out. "It's no big deal."

And so we're sitting there at the bar kind of talking and this one girl walks by and it said like crazy. She had a shirt on and said crazy bitch. And I was like, well, okay. A little redundant. A little redundant. Thank you. And I see another girl walk by. Now, again, I'm not calling these women bitches. These are the shirts that they had on. It was like wild bitch. And I was like, what the fuck? And I was like, so I see like. Next one says bipolar bitch. Yeah. It's like just said bitch. That's all it said. So they all start walking by.

And I was like, okay, something's going on. So I asked when I was able to use, this is like a bridal party. What's good. She's like, Oh no, it's where the Toronto Raptor dance team. This is, this is like our Christmas party. Uh,

"Bartender, can I get 25 shots immediately?" And that's the way it went. So it was like me and my boy, we're just, we're shots round. We're just, and they know, like they're typically- - They didn't know who you were? - Kind of, they don't pay attention that much. They know the home team guys for the most part, but it's like, they knew, they knew that I played and I was playing against them the next day.

But we're like now we're turning it on, right? Like we're getting drunk, doing all the things. I'm like, how often are you going to be like one of the few guys in the Toronto Raptor dance team is all here to get drunk? So we got him extremely drunk.

I go to bed. I probably go to bed at like 6 a.m. Right. Go to bed at 6 a.m. Did you take one of them back? No, no, no. I didn't take any of them back. I might've gotten a phone number or two, but it was like, we all had, there was, we were all going to be struggling the next day collectively. When I tell you,

the next day i have one of my greatest games i have like 20 points in the first half and i'm telling you the game was an early tip it wasn't like a regular serve at 7 30 you can go get some rest it was like i had like 20 points in the first half and like i'm coming out and end up with like 39 that game but i remember looking over at their whole dance team and they're like all in a row

They were all beautiful women, but they looked haggard. They looked exhausted. And when I say this, it's like all beautiful women, but it's like we all have our moments where you're like, oh, you had a long one last night. The whole row of them. They must have thought you were a superhero to do that. Well, that's the funny thing is like, so the one girl whose number I did get, like I text her after the game and she was like, all the girls were like, he was drinking with us, right? Like he was actually drinking with us.

drinking alcohol and I was like I was like yeah I'm gonna have to sleep for two days I was on pure adrenaline I don't know how that happened but that is like do your teammates know when you're that hungover yeah oh are they annoyed with you the NBA like we are all crazy we're all psychotic right the only way to be

one of the 450 players in the world and stayed. You were physically gifted. Rodman seems normal. You're physically gifted. He was very physically gifted. And you're also a little psychotic. So it's like you have those moments where you're just like, ah, fuck it. You know, just go out there.

get it done. But yeah, your teammates know there's guys that reek like alcohol. There's guys that are, you know, throwing up at halftime. Like it is, the league has changed, but it used to be even more crazier. What's the move? Do you Pedialyte? Do you IV? Like, how do you get over it? You stay young. Yeah. Cause once you hit 30, like you don't do that shit. Like if you hit 30, you're going to be, you're going to be struggling for the next like week. But when you're 25 years old, you can literally stab yourself and like,

be fine five minutes later at 25. Like, come on. Boy, we got to go out and get shirts. I want girthy douche. Yeah, but it was like, I honestly, it was that, that's one of my favorite that I can tell people stories from. That's crazy. I'm sure there's a lot you can't tell people. There's a lot of stories. Were there Cavs nights though where like, you're like, do you ever see like, uh,

I don't know, like J.R. seems like he would have... Our favorite story about J.R.'s Knicks fans is a girl DM'd him for tickets, and he just writes back, are you trying to get the pipe? And that got screenshotted, and it was like a big thing, and that's where people would go to games in those shirts. Like a T-shirt, you're trying to get the pipe with J.R. That's kind of awesome. I love J.R. He was a fan favorite in New York, so I was happy when he won one with the guys. J.R.'s amazing. He's one of the most...

talented, sweetheart dudes that you could ever, ever, ever meet. But he's one of those dudes that just was so physically gifted that like he was also, he was almost doing crazy shit just to give us a chance. Right. Like Jr. Again, I'll never call out my guy, but some of the, some of the shit I'll tell you a story. So the scotch is kicking in. Bron is he's,

on a level that like most humans can't achieve. We're not talking about just basketball. We're not talking about physically. Like there's like a combination of like five things that he's just whatever on.

But he could go out all night long and not like drinking crazy, but just like drinking wine. We're hanging out watching games. We'll go back, drink wine, play more car. We'll be up till three in the morning. Right. Some of us have a level of responsibility. Some of us, you know, we navigate this. So the next morning we're like, we'll get up. We'll go work out, do something chill. Then we'll get on our bus for shoot around. And I'm telling you, it'll like Braun would be right next. J.R. would be right next to Braun till the end of the night.

braun at like 10 o'clock we're all on the bus i am telling you at the minute it goes 1001 we're like yo where's jr somebody call jr and braun's in the back of the bus let's go like and i don't mean it in like a in a harsh sense but like hey if he got to learn a lesson or anybody got to learn the lesson we can stay up and drink wine and we can hang out but when that bus says 10 o'clock

It's not like somebody got to go up and knock on the door or somebody got to go do any of that. I like that. It's like, no, we got to go. He can come out. You can come out, Rich. Everybody can. We can all drink wine. We can hang out. But when it's time to fucking go, it's time to go. We not looking for people. Men get left behind on this shit. And that's something that you respected. Amy Schumer did that to me once on the road.

I got left at a college and I was like, where is every, I was drinking in the green room. It was my fault. Yeah. Hey, listen, bro. When it's time to go, it's time to go. And like, damn, it's a, it's a, it's a good leadership space from like, it lets everybody know like this, this is like 10 leaders on that shit. Everyone's got to be everybody's on that shit. Right. Like, Oh, these motherfuckers leave me. I gotta, I gotta set my alarm. Hey, Hey, Hey, Channing fried, like knock on my door. Everybody makes sure I'm good.

but like he like Bron is let's go so like JR there'd be time we'd be looking at Bron like bro you have to reason he's sitting next to you drinking wine he's Bron's like let's he yelling at the front of the bus let's go it's so funny because usually let's go is good like let's go no we're all sitting here like because in that

point it's like jr like i've missed buses before this is this is just one of the examples everybody's missed buses and shit before but it's just like it's one of those ones that walk into shoot around

That's a lonely walk. Yeah. Everybody's there. You like, there's no excuse back in the day before. Like, again, I came in at once. There wasn't cell phones and shit. So it was like when I first came in, it was like you had to get a wake up call. Oh, the wake up call didn't come or some bullshit. Now you got cell phones. You got everything. There is no excuse for alarms. Like you get a text. What time the bus is, what time shoot around is. And it's like you slept through all that shit. So God, imagine LeBron on Rosa Parks bus.

Let's go. I don't care. Sit in the back.

We won the Warriors before the Cavs, right? So you play with Steph. You play with LeBron. You play with Jason Kidd. Yeah, man. And what's crazy is that you have stories with all your teammates, but those are the only stories that people want to hear, like Steph and those guys. But they are Steph, Tim Duncan, Dirk. You play with Duncan, too. Yeah, I play with Duncan. He doesn't want to remember that. It was a terrible – let me go on record here.

I think being a comedian, there's a level of asshole in you. Cause you're always seeing it from that angle. He's one of the biggest assholes in the funniest, in the funniest, in the funniest way. Like he, I'll just be doing a game. He, we, we,

I haven't talked to him on the phone in seven years. I'll just be doing a game. He hasn't texted me in six months and he'll just say some disrespectful shit to me in the middle of a game. Right. And then that's just it. Then I'll respond back to him. I'll respond back to him. He won't respond. He won't respond. He won't. He doesn't he doesn't like me. He just but it's like he's one of those guys like if you want to talk to him about basketball, he's kind of like Jokic. He like he doesn't give a shit.

But you want to talk to him about cars. Really? Weird. He owns a car company or a garage, some shit, like 21 Motoring or I don't know. Anyways, he loves cars. He loves comic books. He loves video games. You talk to that shit about him, he'll talk all damn day. Tim Duncan's like, I'll talk Mario Kart. I won't talk Mario Kart.

He was like, hey, Rich, you want to come up to my room? I think he had just gotten the new Mortal Kombat or some shit. So I'm like, I'm down, right? So I go up to his room, right? And so we're playing. This fucker

You know how you can get the books that have all the moves and shit in them? Oh, yeah. He's in the book like this. And I'm like, really? That's what you do? I was like, bro, isn't this like a, hey, I remember this move from Liu Kang. I'm going to work on this. Okay, I remember this one. Okay, let me try. He's like, he just opened the shit and was like...

Such a nerd. Such a fucking nerd. But then he whooped my ass about like 200 times. He's like, all right, you can go. He's the big fundamental. He's a video game. He's a legend. Stupid question. Do you play basketball video games or is that too much basketball? Like I played NBA Jam for nine years.

9 million hours. But that's an outstanding game. Like, 2K is advanced. Due to my contract with NBA 2K, I love NBA 2K. I love calling games. It is the best game. I love recording for 2K. I love everything that I do as a broadcaster on 2K. I just want to say it is the greatest game I have ever played. You...

You played on Team USA, by the way. Yeah, we don't talk about that. That was a bad year. That was a bad year. You were only good shooter that year. And I'm a terrible shooter. No, you're a good shooter. And look, look, I...

It was a very interesting year. Was that the year we lost to Costa Rica? No. Puerto Rico. Yes. Ouch. It's not that much better. Puerto Rico. We're not going to disrespect the Puerto Rico basketball. Was it Carlos Arroyo? Yeah, Carlos Arroyo whooped our ass. He was on fire. Look, we had a shit team. And that's why.

That's including myself, right? Come on. What? You had talent? Yes. You know what Duncan's final words were in his press interview? They're like, hey, what do you think about FIBA basketball? He's like, FIBA sucks. And like walked off. Like that was the end. But it was like...

This is what we were a poorly put together team. Right. Not enough shooting. Not enough shooting. The real story behind it is this because we got time. You think Team USA would have good shooting? Yeah. All right. We like guns here. Not that type of shooting. But yes, I get your point. Yeah.

Yeah. You better have that loaded. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, look at that. No, we had talent on the team, but this is what happened. We had a team that had to qualify for the Olympics. So they put together the entire roster. It's, it's Ray Allen. It's, it's, it's Tracy McGrady, Jason kid, Mike Bibby, uh, uh,

Carl Malone, Kobe was supposed to be on it. He had pride, like he had stuff he had to deal with, but it was like a bunch of shit. Like they had this loaded roster and I was supposed to be the young guy on the roster, right? Not playing, just kind of learning. None of them really wanted to play for Larry Brown. So we qualify for the Olympics. We beat Argentina by 40 in the qualifier. Kill him.

The next Olympics are the next summer. Nine of the guys say no. Three guys stay on. Allen Iverson because he had never been on the Olympics. Me, just because I'm a young idiot. So if they tell me that I got an opportunity, I'll do it. And Tim Duncan because in the prior Olympics, he had knee surgery. So he hadn't played in the Olympics yet. Those are the only three guys that stayed on the roster. We have nine new guys. And Iverson,

And so many guys say no. Everybody says no. Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton, all these guys say no to going to the Olympics. So they field the youngest team ever. Carmelo, myself, LeBron, D-Wade, Amari. All of these dudes are future superstars. But in that moment, they're still very young basketball. I'm meeting all of these guys for the first time three weeks before we go to the Olympics. It's like, hey, D-Wade, nice to meet you. Never met him before.

hey Carmelo nice to meet you like all of this stuff so we had none of that and then we go out there and we got fucking clapped damn and then they were looking at us like you guys don't care you guys I'm like no man we're playing against Argentina that has six pros and they've been together for nine years right and we are out here meeting each other three weeks so it was the

arrogance of the u.s and usa basketball that led to them changing everything and that was the quote unquote redeemed team and those guys practiced for a couple of weeks they met every summer they had kohe kobe came on that team so it was like they changed the format because they had fucked it up and then we were unfortunately the group that got blamed can i ask what is it about larry brown that didn't inspire these players to want to play no you just asked the nick fans

ask all the Knick fans you ain't gotta ask me he won a ring though with Detroit no I'm not Larry Brown won a national championship no one's questioning about Larry Brown coaching but sometimes it's your motives in those moments that was like a big time of like the and one basketball and like basketball was kind of going through a shift of what people were kind of watching and enjoying so it was like Larry Brown was like I hate all that and one like we're going to

play the right way and we're going to do this. And like, like he's like Jason kid. He's telling Jason kid, Jason, I really like it when you penetrate, but on the fast break, I want you to get to the free throw line, hop step and then throw it. And it's like,

This is fucking Jason Kidd. He just led the league in assists the last two years. Like, he knows how to run a fast break. And Larry Brown knows how to do that. But then fast forward, Stephon Marbury and Larry Brown, we saw how well that went. That was just an extension of what was going on in the Olympics. As soon as he got the job, because I feel like Steph was already there, then Larry Brown got the job. I was like, oh, there's no chance of this working out.

No chance. And not because Steph isn't a good player and not because Larry Brown can't coach, but it was just those, those, the energies didn't match. And the USA never loses, right? I mean, who's better than you? We lost this year. Yeah, but we did. We put out one of the teams that we put out in 04. That was the team because it was the world championships. But now everyone, now it's going to be like the Avengers. Oh, that's just that team. And it's still going to be work to do. It's not, you're still going to have to play against Spain. You're going to have to play against France. That has Rudy Gobert and Wim Benyama and all these guys like that.

They're going to be tough. Yeah, most of the time now. But Steph and LeBron are going to play, and it'll be cool. It's going to be fucking awesome. Durant, maybe. Durant. And it's in Tokyo, right? Oh, shit. Is it in Tokyo? I don't know. Look it up, baby. I mean, one thing I liked about you is you always had to guard...

the best offensive player for the most part because you were a good defensive player. - Paris. - How, were there ever nights where you're like, fuck I'm guarding Kobe, like does he talk shit to you while you're guarding him? Like what's that like? - Nah, you know what it is? I don't speak unless spoken to. Like I talk more shit to my boys, my teammates, like that's the shit. Like dude missed the free throw, I was like bro stop point shaving and fucking let's go. Right, like that's the type of shit I say to my teammates, right?

But I don't talk shit to the other team. That's just not my nature. I won't say I'm quiet by any means, but I just want to play. Kobe and those dudes, the thing about it is that

that are at that level, you don't fear anybody. You're not afraid of anybody. And it's like, I was a good defender, but I've also played on good defensive teams. So you knew you had help behind you. You knew guys were going to be where you needed to be. And like this professional sports motherfucker might score 40. If Tom Brady scores four touchdowns, doesn't mean your team sucks. It just means that night he was fucking Tom Brady. Good point. That's who he is.

But were there nights where you're guarding him? We were like, there's not much I can do. Oh, LeBron put a double nickel on me, put 55 up on me. And it was like our coach didn't want – he was like Scott Skiles at the time. He was like, listen, whenever the Cavs play well, it's because Mo Williams goes off for 20-plus, which was true. They're like, LeBron's going to get what LeBron gets. And he's like, we're just going to focus on shutting down. If LeBron scores 35 and Richard, you're on solo. I'm like, okay, cool.

Brown scored like 15 points in like a minute and a half because it was one of those days where he just decided to hit like five threes in the first quarter. So he's pulling up from – like he went – you guys will pull the tag. He went completely off.

Really? Yeah, find this clip. And he had like 30 points in the first half or some crazy shit. And the coach was like, we're doing a good job on Mo Williams. I'm like, yeah, because I'm out here on a fucking island. What the fuck are you talking about? He's like, Mo Williams only has six points. And I'm like, this motherfucker's got 30.

Like, what are we talking about? Did you like playing for Scott Skiles? You know, I did. I wasn't, you know. Because he gets kind of a bad rep, right? No, Scott is an intense dude. Like, I don't know if this generation can handle Scott Skiles. Why? You know, he's just a very, very intense guy because he's a guy that made it. He's a guy that made it because of how hard he worked. Right. So he oftentimes demands that of people. And that's a great quality in a coach.

The great thing about NBA is that one, there's a game the next night. But like when you play against dudes like that, it's like, man, you tip your hat, you know, and you keep it pushing. And you'll have one of those nights, you know? Yeah. It comes around. Not now. Yeah. I'll have a night where I'm out drunk with the cheerleaders and I go go for 40. Right. And there are just a party that's like, this is what I need. Maybe maybe this is the secret to being good at basketball. I just get fucked up.

No, no, no, no, no, no. You learned that in college. You learned that in college. You went to Arizona, right? Yeah, see, Arizona. With Arenas on the team? Arenas and Luke Walton. Are you cool with Arenas? What do you mean by cool? Are you guys on good terms? No, me and Gilbert are never on good terms under any circumstance. I love Gilbert. I wish him well, but I know that he won't do well because it's him, right? So it's like, dude, I wish you the best. Yeah.

No, I'm joking. Gil's my guy. But we grew up together again. You start playing basketball against each other at like 15, 16. You had other studs on that team, right? Yeah, man. I played with Jason Terry my freshman year. Oh, my gosh. Michael Wright. God rest his soul. Lauren Woods. Jason Gardner. Jesus. Luke Walton. We lost in the national championship. To Batty Aiden Duke. Yeah, we don't discuss that shit. We don't discuss that shit. Stupid question. Most likely. You're the first athlete.

First athlete of professionalism I've ever spoken to, except... Really? I sold Michael Vick a dog. But... I... Wait, wait, wait. Really quickly, really quickly. Was this pre or post? Because now he's not allowed to own. So you got to be careful. You could be implicated. Is he not allowed to own dogs? I think that was part of his parole. What if it's like a chihuahua? You're not going to dog fight a chihuahua. What?

I guess you could. Well, you know, they are sort of ones that, never mind. Look, I don't know anything about nothing. Yeah, yeah, same. Continue. So, just a goof. Legally, we're going to dissect that one. But, you know, we're comics. We go on the road. We've done Netflix, all the Tonight Show, whatever. I can't sleep.

uh the night for a big thing what what you have to have sleep just in order to play and all that what do you do how do you get in the the heads the mindset we take a lot of naps like athletes are that that's a the pre-game nap is like that's that shit starts when you're like 15 16 in high school like you go to you go to high school once you've if you got a varsity game you go home and you know i had to catch city bus but like you catch city bus home take a nap

Right. Eat a little something, take a nap. Then you because you got to you have to have your highest level of energy at seven o'clock at night.

Right. Like your your energy, you know, as a comedian, too, like you guys are going on stage at 10 o'clock. We're nighttime coffee. Yeah. You're like, I got to be amped up late at night. Like, yeah, that's when I'm performing. So like you start doing it in high school, like taking naps before before games, waking up, going, then going there, getting there middle of the JV game and then getting ready for your shit. And that just kind of stands true. Most basketball games are at 730 at night. So we'd finish school in college, go back, take your nap, wake up, get there at like five o'clock.

start when you become a professional that's all you have to do so we have shoot around at like 10 a.m which is like basically uh you fuckers aren't gonna lay in bed all damn day and drink all night and then sleep all day so they do like a shoot around it's like a light practice walk through at 10 a.m bus leaves at 9 30 and trust me bus leaves at 9 30 if you're with braun let's go so so you do that you have come back have a team meal

you know, eat whatever they have in the hotel. Is there a hierarchy at the tables when you do a team meal? There's routines. I wouldn't say a hierarchy. You know, there's European guys, there's guys that hang out. But we typically do a team meal where it's like all of the staff. So it's coaches, it's this. Sometimes you'll do the team meal like if you have a back-to-back. You won't go do a shoot-around where it's like you get out of bed. The back-to-back, you'll just have a team meeting at like 11 o'clock and you'll eat your meal while...

the coach goes over the game plan then you go back to your room you take a nap and you fucking do it again damn yeah so napping my my my my wife found it strange when i was still taking naps like after i retired i'm like this is just ingrained in this point in time like i need to take a nap every single day in my life right yeah i'm i'm with you because you know my wife's like you sleep in all the time like i go to work at 11 yeah you know i'm working at 10 then i'm out till 2

Hoaring. Hoaring. Like sometimes still working. I have a question about that because I just read a Manuel Quixley thing about leaving the Knicks. I love Quixley. But he said that he woke up from a nap to find out he's traded. I mean, you were traded. A bunch of times. I mean, like, what does that feel? How do you find out and what does it feel like? Um...

Well, I was lucky. I didn't have kids till the very end of my career. And so it's harder when you have kids and you have if you have a first and a third grader and then families have to make a decision. Do we want to create stability for the kid or for the family? Do we have to leave? Like, I think it was like Chris Paul hadn't been like hadn't lived with his family for like a couple of years because he was bouncing around teams. And that's the part that gets hard. I was lucky that that wasn't my situation. But, oh, I've woken up from naps.

I've woken up from naps to like, I forgot it was like during the summer, a bunch of my boys were at the house. So I was like, hey, I'm about to take a nap if we're going to go out tonight, whatever. I wake up from the nap to find out I got traded to Utah. Like those are the things that, and my boys are like, yo, yo, you just got traded. And it wasn't like, I wasn't playing much. I was kind of hurting at the end of my career in Golden State. So they wake me up and get a good trade. And I was like,

all right, let me get dressed. Where are we going? Like, it's like, it's just a part of like, you're not like scrambling. Like they have a million systems. You're making plenty of money. It's just like, okay, well, where do I, were you on the block or anything? Or were you just like, was this out of nowhere? You're always on the block. You're all, you're always on the block to a certain degree. Like when I got traded from the net,

I played for them for six years. I have my career high in scoring, and they just decide that they were like. For like nothing, right? Yeah, for Yi Zhaoin and Bobby Simmons. And I just averaged like 23 points a game. They messed that one up. I think history has shown that one. But that's just part of it. What were they thinking? They weren't. That's why they all got fired shortly thereafter. They all got fired shortly thereafter. And then the Nets started off 0-18 like two seasons later. And it's like, yeah, you idiots. There you go.

But don't you have to meet the new players? That's a lot of work. Yeah, it is. You have to meet the new guys. But some of the guys you get to know. It's harder getting traded in season, like around the trade deadline. If you get traded during the summer, you typically have a whole training camp. You'll get to meet the staff. When I signed with Cleveland, we did like a mini camp in Miami.

And so we did like a mini camp, like about a month before training camp where we all went, we worked out, we eat dinner, we go out just kind of like a team, the whole team, the whole team are as many guys can show up. And it's like, you know, let's say 10 of the 15 guys show up, the guys that are like have roster spots and stuff. So everyone gets hotels. We work out. It's just more of like a,

camaraderie thing like hey you got some new guys coming in you're not going over plays there's not like coaches and shit there they'll have trainers there for tape and ice and all that shit but that now every team almost does that they do like uh it's not like an nba mini camp it's more of like a team we're gonna get the guys together and do some of that stuff because you get guys that show up like dame like dame lillard you know like this dude shows up right before training camp doesn't have an opportunity to do all the things that you need to to build into the season

Damn, that would be hard for me. And then you've got to live in a shit city sometimes. What do you mean by a shit city? Because you've got to understand, the minute I start talking about shit cities, I have millions of people that lean in like, if you dare say more. I don't say shit cities, but there are cities I go to. I mean, we're on the road every week, and I'll be like, this is a cool city. I wouldn't want to live here. That's how I feel most places. Yeah, there's a lot. But when they're paying you millions of dollars, that's where it's like,

ah, this is all right, right? You know, look, cost of living is low in Utah. Cost of living is low in Milwaukee. I like Salt Lake City. I think it's a nice city. Salt Lake City is a great time. Milwaukee, look. I like Milwaukee. Underrated. I'm not saying Milwaukee's a bad city. What I'm saying there is that if you are a kid from California that went to college in Arizona, it's really fucking cold there. And it is a different type. Milwaukee, Minnesota, these are different types of cold. Doesn't mean it's a bad city, but if your team sucks,

You get there in like September, October, and you're done in April. That means you might only see the shittiest part of Milwaukee. If you play to like in Cleveland, we played till June. We were there till damn near July. The weather is fucking amazing in June, July. Everybody's out. Everybody's partying. You're like, Cleveland's not bad. If you're just there for the nine months of fucking winter. Good point. That shit's depressing. It's a good way to put it. Yeah, we're in and out. That's true. What is your favorite city to go to? Woo.

Well, there's great comedy towns. Like, for some reason, Denver, Phoenix, San Francisco. Madison's a great comedy town for some reason. Austin. Mark always says a blue city and a red state is a good comedy town because you get a little bit of everything. Oh, I didn't think about that. Like Lexington, Kentucky just happens to be a great comedy town. What about like a red city and a blue state like Newport, California? Ha ha ha.

I'm doing Irvine. Irvine is good. Irvine is good. Yeah, Irvine is good. But again, you're so close to L.A. that you get a little of L.A. in there. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? That's good. I think that's good because it's smart people mixed with

Right. You know? Yeah, really, some rabble rouses. Yeah, yeah, that's what you want. You want the mix. Like, I like Philly, Boston. You know, it's got smart people. It's got blue collar. Boston's one of my favorite cities for comedy. Well, yeah, yeah. I could see that. D.C. is great, obviously. Boston's an interesting place. See, I'd be wondering if you were to... It's funny, though, because there is...

there are certain gaps. If you were to ask a black comedian what his favorite cities were. Probably not Boston. Probably not Boston. Michael Che, I think, was trashing Boston for a while, right? Yeah, he's from Boston. Again, so he could say shit to Boston people and get away with shit and speak their language that he would probably fucking love it. Don't doubt it. But basketball is the same way where it's like if you are a Boston Celtic,

It's, you know, they treat you nice if you're a Boston Celtic. If you're not a Boston Celtic, the Celtic fans and they are amazing. They are some of the most intense and aggressive fans. I was out. We played them in the Eastern Conference finals, but I was young. So I was on that team was Pierce Ray Allen. Yeah. No, it wasn't Ray Allen yet. It was Pierce Antoine Walker. It was that group.

So my boys were going to Assumption College in Worcester. Worcester. Worcester. That's where they were. That's how I used to pronounce it too. Worcester sauce. Worcester. Worcester. So I had some of my boys that went to high school. So literally after the game, they would come and pick me up from the arena. I would just walk out. I'm 21 years old. So I'm like, where's the dive bar? Where's the frat house? That's the shit I want to do.

So we're going out and it's just chaos in the streets. It's fun. We're having a good time. And just I'd never forget, like it was getting late and some dudes were trying to like start some shit. And the fucking cop comes over and yells at me. He sees these dudes like I'm like, bro, I don't want no smoke. And the guy was like, get out of here. You're a fucking target. Just get the fuck out of here. You're a fucking target. You're a fucking target. You're causing this fucking problem. I'm like, sir, I'm not. They hate me because I'm on the other. I'm not doing anything. He's like, get the fuck.

out of here and I'm like why is the cop yelling at me right now and I was like I'm in Boston I should just go don't ask questions just go does Boston have a bad rep amongst players I guess you said it it's cool to play for the Celtics their fan base is crazy but it's probably not

A free agent hotspot for a black player, right? Yeah. No, it is a free agent hotspot because it's the fucking Celtics. So like to get an opportunity to play. Now, I won't give all of their fans a mad name. It's just like Raiders fans. Not all Raiders fans are crazy. Most. But I'm saying it's like you just get you look at a space is like we have security. We were playing there again. This is before I was playing there in the early 2000s. So this is before the camera phones where everything is being recorded by everybody.

And it was like, we were sitting on the bench and the motherfuckers were throwing pennies at us and shit. But you're throwing pennies from 30 rows. And then like these motherfuckers are throwing pennies at us. And we look back at our security and he was like, he was like, we were like, yo man, they're throwing pennies at us. He's like fucking duck. I don't know what to tell you. It's like, what are we going to do? Stop this game? What are we going to do? Are they going to find no, like Celtics fans are going to rat out who's throwing pennies at the back of our heads and shit. Yeah. Are you getting that as a Jew? I'm picking them up. Yeah.

No, but my roommate in college was a 6'9", just big farm white boy from Tennessee. And everywhere we went, people were starting shit with him. Just because they're like, this guy's 6'9". I'm threatened. I'm intimidated. Fuck him. Were people starting shit with you? No.

I was a little twink, you know. I mean, you know. I was just a girthy douche trying to make it in America. We're going to get you that shirt. I will get you that shirt. Please. Please. Girthy twink? Girthy twink. Oh, the girthy. It's a little curveball. Twink douche? Yeah. Twink douche? Yeah. So yeah, but yeah, he got fucked with all the time just because he was tall. Were there cities where you're like, I'm going to just, I'm going to get...

We're going to Miami. We're going to party the night before. If there's a hot city. Well, so I lived in New York for, I live in New York. When you play for the Nets, you live in. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I live in New York. I live in Tribeca. Hey, nice. Yeah, they were paying me way too much money. I couldn't live in Jersey. I was like, and I love Jersey, but it was like, you'd have to go to like Upper Saddle River. You'd have to go like deep in Jersey. You don't have to explain it. I was like, that's the wrong way from the city. Okay, I just got to make sure I'm loyal to my people. Yeah, there's some great fucking cities like Toronto. Love it.

Amazing. Toronto is one of the best cities in the freaking world. Yeah. The food, the people, the energy, the fans. The fans are just happy. They're just happy to see your performance. They support their team, but it's not like vile hatred coming. But they're standing up the whole time. They're excited. They're that. Toronto is one of the top five cities, but it's all personal preference. I like Miami. I like Chicago. Yeah, what are your top cities? Chicago.

For me, I think Phoenix. I love Phoenix. That's where I'm from. A little hot. A little hot, but we're playing there in the winter. So you come from Jersey, you land in Phoenix in December, and it's 80 degrees. Right. I'm always pumped to go to Phoenix. Yeah, Phoenix. I would say Chicago. I love Chicago. Great city. I filmed my last special there. So did he. Something about Chicago people. The people just, you know, they want to drink a lot. They want to eat heavy food. That's all they want to do, right? Yeah.

but I would say Miami, Chicago, Toronto, New York, and LA. Those, those are the cities for me that I would be like, are you based in LA now? I'm based in LA currently. Currently. Do you think you would move back here if, if a job? Yeah, I think, yeah, there's some, there's, when's this air?

Two weeks? Yeah, there's a high probability that I could be doing some things here. There's some things that I could be doing here in New York. You thought Boston was scary. Watch out for the Knicks fans out here. Yeah, I'm trying to convince them. You're not in as bad favor with the Knicks fans as you think. I'm tuned into Knicks Twitter. I've been nice to them because my first couple years when I first started, I tried to go Stephen A. Cowboys against them, right? Where it's just like, fuck the Knicks. You know, whatever. Oh, I remember. Yeah, I was like, hey, what?

I was cracking jokes, talking about they offered me a contract and I said no to them just because I... And it was like, they came out with a press release and I was like, guys, this is just a joke. And then I realized how...

When you're a player, you ignore all fans. You ignore all media. Like that's just part of our gig. Like we don't give a shit what you guys think and any of that stuff. But when you get to a space of like you're now representing like a media company and now you start saying shit, yeah. So I got to talk them too. I got a little chewed on. Not chewed on in a bad way, but just like Richard, you can't be shitting on the Knicks and then have to call a playoff game for them. I'm like –

Yeah, that might affect ratings. You know, so it's like... Once you get to know us, we are the best fan base because... No, you're not. We haven't won in 50 years and we're still as hardcore as any fucking group. You're as hardcore via... Like, you're fueled like the dark side, like via hate, right? No, that's not true. That is 100% true. That's what you're hearing because you were fueled by hate when you were doing this. We're not fueled by hate. Exhibit A. Exhibit... As an organization, as like the players that play, I don't hate the Knicks. Their fan base is brutal.

I'm a Knicks fan. Am I rude? Yes. You can do a podcast that says, I might be drunk. But we're good drunks. You're great drunks. So we're not rude. Yes, but put you in the stands right now. What would be happening? I was at a game a couple weeks ago, and I was screaming at Tony Brothers. He made a bad call. And you hit that woman. But that's fair, that you're just a part of the NBA community if you're yelling at Tony Brothers. I'm not saying anything. No, I'm a good guy.

I'm a good fan. I think I heard him shouting the N word. He looked familiar. You were just wearing a hood. I was, uh, hold on one sec. There we go. There we go. He's wearing that shirt. I was screwed. It was Nick's rockets. And I was that we torched him. It was a great game. Look, the Knicks are good. So this is the thing that I think Nick's fans had. They're like, we know we suck. We don't need constant news coverage telling us we suck.

And I like to give them constant news coverage, tell you. But when they got good, I was, look, I'm not a Knick hater. When you're good, we have to talk about you. We have to talk about the Lakers, the Knicks, the Celtics. We have to talk about them. They are, if you talk about the top six teams that have, and the top 10 players, right? The top six teams and top 10 players are 80% of the NBA fan base.

That might sound weird, but if you are the Charlotte Hornets and you don't have a star, your fan base is really, really small. That makes sense. Kevin Durant has a big fan base. Phoenix Suns has a good fan base. So we're going to talk about them, and that's what our ratings, and that's how this shit is done on television. They're like, oh, you always talk about the same teams. Well, is your team classic? Do you guys have a chance to win a championship? Do you have a superstar? If you don't...

What are we fucking talking about? Is Jalen Brunson a superstar? We'll find out. I'm saying yes. I think he's got the goods, man. I think he's the best little guy since Iverson. He's in the conversation. This is what I say. We'll find out. There are six guys currently. When all that 1A, 1B stuff, I get it why people try and classify just to give context a lot of times. My thing is this. There are six guys that have led a team to an NBA championship.

Giannis, Jokic, LeBron, KD, Steph, Kawhi. So in the last 20 years. Yeah, but I'm saying currently playing. Currently playing in the NBA. How about Isaiah Thomas? He was a small guard. No, no, no. We're not going to talk about context and past. We're going to say there are six guys. Those are the only 1As. Everybody else is a 1B until they prove they can be in a 1A. So you're not putting Embiid in there either.

He's never been to a conference finals. So it's like, is he a 1A talent? Can you build around him? Is he one of the best players in the world? Yes. But by our context, we're saying in order to be a part of that club, you have to then win one. Like I said, there's only six guys that have done it currently. So everybody else is a 1B until they are a part of that club. I'm not saying you've got to win an MVP, this. It's like a 1A means that you can be the best player. Should Brunson have been an all-star starter?

That stuff is fan-based. That stuff is... But it's not. There's a media vote and a player vote, and he got that. What, the media and the player? Yeah. So what did I just say? It's fan vote, yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So that was... So he agreed with me. Okay, okay, but... That's what tipped the scales, but...

I think stat-wise and production-wise, he should be a starter. So then you need to talk to the fans because the media vote he got— Oh, Dame's been around longer. LeBron shouldn't be a starter. Hey, look, look. It's a popularity contest. Agreed, and he plays for the fucking Knicks and lost the popularity contest. Okay, because he hasn't been around as long. Do you think he should be an all-star starter if you were picking? Yeah.

I think, I think that's all I'm asking. He does. He does. I think that he's had the quality of a season that, that, but again, it, the, the reason why the fan boat is, is that they want the, who the fans want to see. I know. Dame, Dame is a legend. He's been around forever. I like that. Look, Ken, I,

if you were to tell me that Brunson can lead a team to a championship yes he can't lead this team to a championship this team they don't have enough best defensive team in the league I don't disagree I don't disagree really I don't disagree with one of the best defensive team but they can't lead this team they need more talent if he gets a little bit more talent then yes we're close then you're you're the closest we've been this is the closest you've been

you have been since like Ewing and Houston and those guys going to the finals. I'm fucking pumped, dude. Yeah, since the fucking 99. This is the closest you've been. Hell yeah. And we might go. Was Ewing on that team in 99? Yeah, he was, but he was injured. Okay. I want to get my... It was when Bill Simmons started the Ewing theory thing, like we were better without him. And I was like, shut up, dude. You're not better without Patrick Ewing. He was just saying that to get Nick's...

down so he could elevate his Boston group. Always. So you're Bill Simmons, you're the Bill Simmons guy? No, but I remember him saying that. No, he pissed me off when he said that. I don't like how Bill Simmons underrates Patrick Ewing. I don't like the hate on the Knicks.

We all know this. I think he's talented. It's not my cup of tea. Yeah, Bill's talented, but we all know this. Everything that you're saying, you can't just give middle-of-the-road opinions. He's got to give opinions that allow you to say that you don't like this about Bill Simmons on your podcast, using your platform to give him love. Clickbait. Clickbait.

all right look at you you don't just keep him around for his good looks he's my favorite twink yeah but uh no you're you're good at what you do i'm glad you're i'm glad you're broadcasting now thank you man and i appreciate this opportunity to come on with you guys like i've been such a fan of just comedy and like i had a bunch of my friends like all right 2024 i'm gonna go do

Any comedic podcast. Like I was like, I shot a DM to Anthony Jesselnik. I was like, I don't think, I don't even know if you have a podcast. He does. I don't think he does guests though. Yeah, I don't know. Well, I'm going to be a guest. I saw you talking to my, and I just want to, I want to be around people that like just see the world from that perspective. And he, his shit is so. He's killer. He'll take you for a ride.

It'll take you for a ride. We're fans of his. Yeah, so Anthony, just respond or like whichever 25-year-old girl is running your social media, can you tell her that some random basketball player wants to come on? Since Mark and I feel like a couple of women on a double date here, let me ask a comedy basketball connection. Let's go. What do you think is more difficult, making the NBA or making it as a comic who plays theaters? I think NBA without question. Here's the problem, though.

NBA is point-based. This guy's doing well. He put up this many numbers. This is subjective. So that changes the whole game. What I would say is you're right. There's certain physical – look, I have a brother that's 5'9". I didn't know I was going to be 6'7", 240 pounds. My dad's 6'2". My mom's 5'11". I just got the lucky jeans and I liked playing basketball. So I got lucky.

Comedy is something to me. I look at part like, like broadcasting. There's a challenge here. There's a challenge in the competitiveness is not, there's a little bit of monks, your peers of like, oh, that was good. Like, okay, who does it? Great. Like who are the icons that you watch and you pattern yourself? You're not like them, but you're like the way he tells stories or the way he went with that, with that bit. Those are the things that like, I enjoy about it because it's like broadcasting where it's like calling a game.

doing a television show like First Take, NBA Today, or all of that shit is a different cadence. You have to speak differently. You have shorter time or longer time. On First Take, you can have two minutes to make your point. On a basketball court, like when you're calling a game, you've got 10 seconds to make your point. You've got...

maybe less than that to do a highlight. So it's just like the skills that you learn are just so much different and that's where the challenge comes in. That's why I enjoy it. Nice. Well said. Great question. Good question. I would say it's harder to be a comic who plays theaters because you said there's 400 people in the NBA. Is that right? 450, yes. There's 400.

40 comics planned theaters. Also, you guys are very age-based. Like, this guy's getting old. He's 36 or whatever. We can keep going. You know, Rodney played and Don Rickles played. Rodney Dangerfield didn't pop until he was like in his early 40s. Yeah, he retired. That was his old bit. He's like, I retired. The worst part about it is nobody knew. Look at this guy. This guy's a fucking comedy fan. No, Rodney Dangerfield, like that was... Back to school? Oh, back to... Come on. But Rodney was...

A lot of the stuff that I do and you recognize the love of like how lovable you can become if you're self-deprecating. Right. And I learned that from listening to him like that. You know, I get no respect. And it's just you're laughing at something that, you know, is a joke. And like he talks about his family or he talks about his agent or where he lives. And it's just like, you know, so I would watch like all the stand ups or when he was on SNL, like all that. I would just watch it and just observe. My parents don't like it that I was such a sarcastic asshole, but it just.

It really did. Do you do a Rodney impression at all? No, I don't. I don't. And I try my best to not say I gets no respect when I'm doing it. Like, look, I gets no respect around here. I'm all right now, but Leslie goes in rough shape. You know? He's all right. Sarcasm is the language of the intelligent, they say. And it's illegal in North Korea. Really? Sarcasm is illegal there.

So how are they doing? They're doing great. But I... Yeah, we won't do it. Who are you SNL people? So...

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I remember they came out with the original SNL cast, that first season of SNL. I've watched that one over because it's had George Carlin. It had Richard Pryor. It had some beast. You're like a real old school comic. Well, because you watch all the stuff that you grow up on.

whether it's like National Lampoon's and like all that stuff. So then you go deep into it and you're like, oh shit. And so then you go and watch, okay, who was the, like, oh, on sale on iTunes, the first SNL. You're like, and then you see who's on it and you're like, yeah, I want to see. And that's the one, remember where Chevy Chase and Dan Aykroyd, where he's interviewing him, or he's interviewing, no, it's Chevy Chase interviewing Richard Pryor and they're doing like word association. And you're like, you can't,

No. God, no.

which is a show I used to love as a kid. And it was crazy. Just seeing it, I was like, oh, my God, I can't believe this was on Fox. Yeah. It's Jim Carrey at a desk, like a David Letterman thing, and a white lady is in a full khaki thing, like a zoo worker kind of animal expert. Yes, yes, yes. And she's got Tommy Davidson on her back as if, like, this is the animal I'm going to show you tricks with. And they give him watermelon, and he's like, ay-ay-ay-ay.

Oh, my God. And then Jim Carrey's like, wow, he loves it. Oh, my God. And it was killing. And it was so funny. And obviously, it was on Fox. And it was great. And as a kid, I'm like, this is the comedy I watched growing up. So when you yell at me about being offensive now, I'm like, look what I was raised on. My number one show, like, again, I buy stupid shit on iTunes. Just my number still to this day is Married with Children. Like, I watched this. We used to love that. I watched Married with Children, and it's like, it is...

He hates his family. Yes. He hates himself. He hates his job. He hates himself enough that you kind of like... He's such a loser. But he's content. But he's still content. He still comes home. Anytime he walks in, a fat woman came into the shoe store today and it gets an applause break. But he's laughing. Yeah. It's funny. It is funny. But that's the thing. You can't even... Those jokes are stuck in time, right? So it's like you watch this and it's like Kelly Bundy. Exactly. They just... Like Christina Applegate. I...

I was like the same age as her and you're watching her and you're like, she was so hot. She's one of my favorite actresses of all time. And the brother, David Faustino is great. Oh, he's fucking hilarious. But just the neighbors and all this shit and it was like, they were the no ma'am that they started. They were like politically incorrect on purpose even then. Yes.

And this shit now could never go, but we still got it. Now it's like stuff you have to sneak into your house and watch and laugh. But man, it's amazing. Yeah, it's almost like prohibition. I'm going to do it behind closed doors. No one will see it. Yeah, exactly. Well, I think everything has a good idea. Like, hey, let's be more diverse. Let's be more inclusive. It all starts good, and then it just gets way too overcorrected. Like, All in the Family. This is a show about a bigot who's...

Hilarious. And the whole show is like, he's the idiot. He's like, this fucking Polack came into my house the other day and everybody's like, whoa. And he's the punching bag. Yes. But those people exist, so why not make fun of them? But that show also launched the Jeffersons. That's right. So it was like you had a person that was a bigot that,

he was the punchline and then all of a sudden it's like it launched one of the most successful black shows out there. By the way, he was a bigot too. George Jefferson. Was he really? Yeah, he hated white people. He hated white people. What's his name again who created the show? Norman Lear. Norman Lear, yeah. He created every show. He created every show back then. What was it? WKRP Cincinnati. I kid you not, I bought the first episode. Get out of here. I kid you not, just because I wanted to hear the song.

I was like, yo, I remember this shit. And I just, yeah. It actually wasn't that bad of a show. I watched the first two episodes. I watch a lot. I got a lot of time. Yeah, you're on the road. What's your routine when you're like, you go to a hotel probably usually, right? Yeah, I try and stay out of trouble. I go to a hotel. I watch a lot of old shit because when I- What else do you watch?

You know, so I watch a lot of daytime old stuff. Like I didn't watch, like I was black. I grew up in Arizona. I wasn't watching like King of Queens and Everybody Loves Raymond. I wasn't. But all of a sudden, nap time, you get back to your room, 12, you're in your room from 12, bus will leave at 4.15. So you're scrolling through television. I've watched every movie. I've seen everything. You're like, oh,

what's this King of Queens shit? What's this? And so like, I never watched it growing up. So all of the episodes were new for me. I used to watch like Yes, Dear. I used to watch anything that was on TBS or TNT. I used to just, I used to just fucking crush through it. But it was like, look, man. Raymond had some pretty good, that was some great comedy on there. Great year. Jerry Stiller on, on,

Unreal. He was amazing. We got to get Jerry Stiller on this wall. He's an all-timer. He is an all-timer. He killed the side film too. He had a... Was it him? I'm trying to think. It was him or Richard Pryor. It was like, was it something I said? And then I found out

that like him and his wife and then i you know you start to learn the backstories if you're like actually studying comedy and learning and you're like this dude i didn't know i saw him in like a couple of movies and zoolander and this you're like oh this dude's an icon and then you realize you know this young man looking doing and his wife's been doing this for since the 70s exactly yeah that shit is what are you like are you big movie guy you said so what are your old timers

White man can't jump that came out when I was 12. So that's how I started playing basketball. I was like, wait, guys, just go to the park every day and just play basketball. This is a thing. And that actually picked up park basketball, like no different than like and one basketball was because it showed guys were hustling. Guys were this. There was a culture behind it.

And it was L.A. And it was L.A. So it was like you start you're like, oh, guys go to the park. And then people kind of viewed it as like a thing. Remember when rounders came out and everyone started playing fucking park.

poker everyone became fucking matthew damon and that's a great movie too outstanding movie no that's our boy brian koppelman wrote that yeah so no judgment but like that just shows you like how a movie can actually move oh move the the culture white man can jump was that movie yeah and once that movie came out i was 12 years old now son i'm at the fucking park acting like i'm sydney dean and woody harrelson and cracking jokes and like betting other kids five dollars to play one-on-one and shit and it was like you're jimmy you can't no you can't hear jimmy you can't

There's a line in Rounders where Ed Norton and Matt Damon are playing poker and Matt Damon whispers to him, he's like, we're like fucking Frazier and Monroe. The Vols are always backcourt and I'm like, you know a Knicks fan wrote this script. You know a Knicks fan, yeah. That's a compliment, he wrote it. You know he had to just sneak in one. You got to. Start with the letter Q. Yeah, but, oh God, God.

What is it? What is it? She was really odd. I can't let my kids see the movie yet because there's still like a couple of scenes, but I have taken my kids to like the Venice Park right there and showed them. And then like you can show them the intro to the movie. You just can't show the movie. Yes. They're still on. I want to hear other movies that they're into here. So they're remaking that, by the way, which I think is a sacrilege. Jack Harlow is in it. Yeah. It was remade.

Did it came and went? I have not seen it. I hear he's good in it, but it's just not a good show. Jack Harlow is going to be just fine. He's going to be just fine. Certain things don't need to be remade. Well, it's also the context of how you remake it, how you tie it together. That's the thing. And it's going to be more toned down. It's going to be more PC. It's going to ruin it. He's a street guy. I'll give props to the new Ted on Peacock. They go fucking hard. Ted's awesome.

But they're based off of the movie. But I know you think sometimes that they have to tone it back. And it's Seth MacFarlane, so he's like, I don't give a shit. There are certain people and groups that cannot be canceled. They've given up on South Park. You can't cancel them.

No, you can't cancel family guy. They have said offensive shit and they are the ones that are grandfathered in. So for him to do Ted is like, what are you going to do? Like in a cancels like family guy that's been on for 20 years. You can't do that. South Park Book of Mormon. Like you can't, you can't cancel. There's nothing that they like. And they also blend in the heart so well where you're like Book of Mormon is like kind of sweet on top of being so fucked up.

Oh, yeah. I mean, that's what those great 90s comedies had. Like, we talk about something about Mary all the time on here. Oh, so good. Because they were able to, like, make you... Like, the premise is he's stalking a woman, and you're rooting for him. Yes. I mean, that's... Because you know he's a decent guy. Like, they knew how to put the right amount of heart and the right amount of fucked-up jokes together.

Well, it's also when people say you go back and look at the office and you're like, wait, Jim was just hitting on somebody's fiance the whole time. That's all he was doing. Good point. And you're sitting here like. But the fiance sucked. Yeah, he did suck. They had to make him shitty. If he was a great guy, they'd be like Jim's the asshole. So they make him shitty on purpose. But at the end of the day, it was like every day. Maybe he was a bad guy because some dude in the top off.

was always hitting on his fiance. Anybody ever thought about that shit? That might irk me. Team Roy over here. Yeah, I'm fucking definitely Team Roy. Not to mention all the retard and black jokes that Michael Scott made when he did the Chris Rock impression, all that shit. That's where the evolution of comedy comes. Like, look, I did shit that was acceptable then that's not acceptable now. Totally. I have jokes I wouldn't tell anymore and it doesn't mean they're a bad joke. It's just like there was a time...

when that type of joke was okay. Yeah. Yeah. It was a time I don't think it would hit. It is interesting. Like Mark and I talk about this all the time. We'll be on the road. And if the crowd's really young, I was just in Madison on Thursday. They did, it was like, they do like a college night. So it's all young people. And, um,

man I could just see the fear like I'd go into a premise and I'd be like guys have I have I steered you wrong yeah yeah I got this you gotta do a lot but in Z's Ansari in his stand up he talked about that he's like look I did a bit about R. Kelly shooting light and

come out on the entire crowd based off of like him saying it. So he's like, I can't do that now. He was like, yo, things have changed. He talked about, I forgot what his little nephew that he had in his bed. He was like, all the things that I was talking about, my nephew, I can't do that now. At the time,

It's acceptable. When we find out that R. Kelly's a pedophile, I can't do it. Well, it's like we always knew R. Kelly's a pedophile. But he's like, now that he's been convicted, I can't do that joke. So I think, yeah, you can't come self-righteous, but you also have to own like at the time this was somewhat acceptable and maybe edgy. Now it is beyond offensive. And I understand that and accept it. But I'm not like I'm not ashamed. But it also it also guess what?

things swing back, things change. That's true too. You know, I mean, you're talking about loving watching some of these old shows. I mean...

There's not going to be a show where Al Bundy talks to his wife like that anymore. But that's why it's refreshing. And that means maybe that type of show, maybe there will be an appetite for that at some point. There is an appetite, but we all have to suppress it. The people that would have to suppress, in my humble opinion. I don't want to say suppress. I mean it in the sense of we can't be writing the networks, where's the next Married With Children? You're just like, I hope somebody can figure this out. But dude, Roseanne came back and it was killer.

It was good. It was killing. But that was, I feel like it was grandfathered in, right? If they were to do a reboot of Married with Children and, what's his name? Ed O'Neill. Ed O'Neill decides to do it. By the way, it's really hard when you're talking to people and they know him from Modern Family, which is an outstanding show. Killer show. Outstanding show. But you're like, no, no, no, that's Al Bundy. He will always, he's great in this show. He's amazing, but he'll always be Al Bundy. But certain things get grandfathered in. Always landed a hot wife, too. I love that.

Katie Segal was really hot and he was just like miserable about fucking her. Yeah. All the time. Yeah. But I think that was a prelude to what life really is. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. You know, it's like you can't stand him, but he never strayed. He never did anything wrong. He would always look at boobies. He would always go. He would always go to. He'd always go to the strip club. He would always do all his things, but he never. He would like look at girls and then he would show him running in the house and grabbing her and running upstairs. You're like he.

You guys are really writing in a story of him imagining another woman while banging his wife. I remember they had a nanny. They had a nanny or somebody that was a backpacker staying with them smoking hot. They had Mila Djokovic. They had so many hot people on that show. So there was a nanny staying with them. And every time Al would look at the nanny, he would go upstairs and wear Peg out. And then it was like Peg kept trying to get her to stay. She was like a backpacker.

No, no, no, no. I want you to stay. I want you to stay. That's crazy. You're like, this shit is next level. That is edgy for network TV. That's crazy. Well, Fox was still building and growing. That's when they were using In Living Color, which we now know Rupert Murdoch. Simpsons family guy. They know how to use. They're like, hey, we're going to give all the black people a bunch of content, and then we're going to take it away once the network is established. You guys can read that. That's what they did with Martin and In Living Color. They brought black people back with cops.

Which was on Fox. It was on Fox. Which, by the way, I love that. It was a great show. We were all watching. You didn't realize. They did a good job of diversifying the criminals on Fox. They did. They really did. They went to the rednecks. That's true. There were some meth labs. That was body cams before body cams. That's right. They weren't first 48. They weren't just in the hood. They were like, no, no, no, no. Good point. We're going to get the...

You need the crackheads. You need the meth heads to run. That makes for great footage. By the way, the producers, when they started that show, said because we know we're going to be accused of racism, we're going to do 50% white and 50% black on every episode. Did not know that. Every episode. Which, by the way, that is not close to what the population is. I know. I know.

Basically, we're going to target black people. Yeah, I was like, we're just going to do, make sure it's 50-50, even though black people are only 14% of the population. Let's make sure we do that. But that was police brutality on camera, and we were cheering it on. Yeah. That's how different the time, we were like, fuck yeah, get him. Well, she had a gram of weed. She had light and lit. Where it's like, oh, that justifies the whole broken tail, like pulling him out of the car. But look, how old are you?

40. how old are you 37. oh god you look so much younger than him i know isn't that crazy wow but it's like we all grew up in the same era where we were watching what you guys might be a little young for rodney king but you're watching the oj you're watching oh yeah i saw this going down yeah like you know all that so it's like yeah we have a different view of police yes and maybe the people like people that are a bit younger than us

right? Because like, oh no, no, no. When cameras first came out, police had a real reckoning. There was like, Hey, you guys got a lot of questions you got to answer now. And so that's why every, every young person should watch the OJ 30 for 30 series. Cause it does the LA, it breaks down the LA riots. And you know, LA was on art. The LAPD was on trial. It wasn't OJ. It was like, cause that's what they were saying. They were like, when Mark Furman gets up there and it's like, have you ever tampered with evidence? Have you ever said anything? And he's like,

I plead the fifth. And you're like, oh, wow. It's incredible. I'd say the best 30 for 30 ever done. And there's a ton of great ones. I think they won an Oscar, an Emmy for that bad boy. Was that Ezra Edelman who did that one? You should look it up. That was Jeffrey Toobin. Toobin wrote the book. He wrote the book. He wrote the book.

People versus OJ. Why'd you start laughing as soon as I said his name? I thought it was a zing. It was. It was. I was like, listen, if you guys don't know Jeffrey Toobin, Google him. Well, hey, shout out to the white lady in the police department who fucked like eight members of the staff. I never, I saw all the memes, but I didn't, I like to do deep dives and shit that's funny. What was that? She called her back up.

Oh, God. I'll do a little more logging. Yeah, come on. There we go. That log is unreal. It's just too good. Too good. We should finish. There's no top on a big guy. You're just stroking. Oh, God.

You're just... I'm just jerking off your bottle here. You're just giving it the guac guac. Yeah, okay. Yeah. This is just the best scotch. Yeah, it is. Shout out Nick Offerman. Nick, I love you. If you do a podcast, I will come there also and drink with you. I don't think he does, but we should start one. I would start one. He showed up to ours. He's the only Nick you like. Ha!

All right, all right. You're a fucking Jeffrey Toobin. Hey, come on. Look, it's good. No, Nick Offerman is. He's cool, man. But no, were you a fan of Jeffrey Toobin? Have you ever seen any of his work? I like the Zoom. Did you Zoom in? Of course, of course. He wrote the Patty Hirsch book. It's a great book. Yo. Where's that story? Look, I'm proud of you. I don't even know you, and I'm proud of you. Listen. Ah.

The Patty Hearst documentary that CNN did is one of the fucking trippiest. I haven't seen that. It's trippy. It is one of the trippiest things that you've ever seen. Really? And I've seen a lot of bullshit. I got a lot of downtime. The Patty Hearst documentary, because it'll go into the comedian. I'll tell you a crazy story when we're off air. I can't wait to hear it. I got a crazy story for you, too, about that office. Radical story of Patty Hearst. She's an heiress of a newspaper mogul. Yes. And super rich. And then she hooked up with the Black Panthers.

No, she was kidnapped. God, this is how racist he is. Why is it that you go fucking racist? She got kidnapped, dude. She got kidnapped by some extremist group that were like, but why did it have to be the black parents? Well, I thought she was banging them. Well, she did end up banging them. She might have been banging them. But it wasn't a black dude. It wasn't a black dude she was banging. It was one of the other dudes. Anyways, she gets kidnapped and then starts...

going on bank robberies with them yeah and there's a famous photo of her with a gun and they're like is she a hostage does she like this now yeah stockholm syndrome and then they were like well they were like oh she brainwashed her and it's like yeah the heiress got brainwashed and then when they finally caught her after like a year manhunt after a year manhunt looking for them which most i didn't know this because i kind of knew the story they so basically the

The cops were looking for all of them, right? There was like eight or ten of them. They all had a bunch of weapons. It would make a great series because there's all these weird dynamics of like bank robbers and like how they had like, you know, weird beef and shit. They get a house. They rent a house. Cops find the house. Patty's not there. She's out with three people. Cops roll into the house. These people have a fucking shootout.

in downtown los angeles what like all of the people in the group die because the police are firing like and they have all sorts of automatic weapons so it's literally a shootout that they have film on looking for patty hearst they think patty hearst might be in there they don't know whole shit and you're like i didn't know this part of the story that no multiple people died and all it yes and she ended up marrying like a in the end she ended up marrying like

some type of security guard they had at the end. It was like the second she had any normalcy, she's like, I'll marry this guy. Yeah. And because her family owned every like news station paper, uh,

Yeah, the Hearst. I mean, that's Citizen Kane is Hearst. Yeah, there you go. Is that really? Yeah, it's William Randolph Hearst, isn't it? And then I think that writer, Jay McInerney, married another one of the Hearsts. Oh, yeah, the Simony's Liberation Army. If you want to have a fucking Eden edible and fucking... It's incredible. It's crazy. Have they made a scripted version of it? Because it would be so good. The story is so good. It would be hard to sell it. I don't want to say hard to sell it. What you think of it...

Because the more you watch it. They did one of the J. Paul Getty. That's kind of a similar type of thing. They made a scripted one of that, right? Yeah.

I mean, that's a pretty fucking dark one, too. I don't know that one. The kidnapping of the grandson? That one? Yeah, where they just wouldn't pay the ransom. Oh, they wouldn't pay the ransom. Yeah. And they cut off his ear. I feel like they did a movie of that and sent it. They made a movie of it. It was supposed to be Kevin Spacey, and it was right when he got canceled, so they had to, like, dub in Christopher Plummer or something. He's like, can you just not do bad things, Kevin Spacey? Because I really love Kevin Spacey. He's so talented. Who doesn't love Kevin Spacey? His favorite basketball player is Jason Kidd. I guess a couple kids. But other than that...

He's acquitted, by the way. Oh, that's right. So he was acquitted. Yeah. So, okay, what happens once you're acquitted? He should be able to come back to society, but who knows? He should be able to come back to society. He's like in a deserted island somewhere. He should be able to get hired again, I mean. Oh. I'm just saying. That's a great pick of cream. Proven innocent or whatever.

Yeah, that's a problem right now. Well, it's tough, though, when you're like, for all the cancel culture people, you go on trial, you're proven innocent, and then you still can't work. Exactly. There is a kicker from the, I think it was the Buffalo Bills.

He was a kicker. He was like a stud. Trevor Bauer. Wait, that's the picture. That's the picture, but I'm saying there's multiple guys. I'm going to circle back. I have to go to Japan. Yeah, yeah. But then he gets proven, and it's like, dude, we are targets, right? We are targets when you're in this space. But I heard Trevor Bauer's a piece of shit. Well, yeah, but you can be a piece of shit and not be guilty of what you're accused of. And that's the part where it's like, just because you're like, you know. So you're still going at him.

That's the problem. It's like Puffy. He could be a piece of shit. I'm just joking. He's probably guilty as fuck. Puffy's probably really guilty. No, no. But it's the stigma. The stigma stays with you and the stench is on you. Like the fucking Duke Lacrosse guys got proven innocent. Sure. And it's still like a punchline.

It should be. We hate it if you're playing casinos. Who's using that as a punchline anymore? Well, you know, it's like in the ether. And then the coach got fired and he's like, but they didn't do it. And they're like, I know, but it doesn't look great. They were still bringing strippers. They were still bringing strippers back. Who isn't? We got a few coming in later. Look, I... Look. Really? We're going on live. What's on?

We're doing you like Paul Pierce, dude. You guys have an OnlyFans? What's going on? No, we have, you know, Duke Lacrosse. Aziz is a good example of a guy who I think it's like, that's kind of on your Google page forever. Yeah. You know what I mean? And it's like, what did he do? He did, well, from

In the context of what... It was a bad date. It was a bad date. And what we read, and again, you guys listen to me, I fucking like to read bullshit. And I'm like, what did my guy Aziz do? And he's 12 pounds. A woman could over... 99% of the women could overpower him. Yes. Right? So you're like, what did this guy do? And then you read it and it's like...

oh this was just uh this was just a shitty shitty date agreed it's like i said before there was a problem but it just gets too corrected and then it gets uh this that that was one of those ones that was like it warrants an apology not a public yeah it was also dude it was also at the end of the day it was published on babe.net it's not exactly it's not exactly you know and at the time but

At the time. At the time. At the time, bro. Everybody was. It was the heat. Yeah. It was the heat of that shit. Yeah. And it's like now you're lumped in. It's like, no, there's a big difference between Epstein and all of these. And Harvey Weinstein. And you're just regretting going out with a dude that met you and you went on a date. Yeah. And he came back and, you know, you guys did some stuff and he was like, you know, and you're like, well, I didn't really like that. And it's like, OK, I'm sorry. And, you know, we don't have to go on a second date. Yeah. Yeah.

That's fine. Look, I've been on a date with girls that did shit that I didn't like. Yeah, same. Same. Don't lie. Don't lie. I got pegged. You got pegged? No, I'm just kidding. I did see your bit about what the guy was. I was looking at some of the stuff on your guys' social. About getting pegged. About getting pegged, yeah. That was in Dania Beach, yeah. Some guy, his girlfriend wants to peg him. Oh.

Oh, I watched that. People are going hard in the paint these days, you know? Yeah, that's a bit aggressive. I think I'm okay with a finger. I think a dick, you're playing a different sport. Well, I don't think it's, yeah, that's not, my shit is basically just as a public figure, that area is completely off limits. Really? Yeah. A woman cannot, no tongue? No, no. Really? Tongue? I,

I promise you, it's just not, it's not. You don't like it at the rim. No, I, you know, it's just, you know what it is? Like, you get to a space where like, I'm scarred and you hear all the bullshit. Like, there's a lot of shit that goes on and people want to fucking, and it's like, if you can stand firm on like, nothing has ever happened in that area. So it's like, anything else is bullshit. I'm with you. So. Like, I've never done coke and I know if I do it, I might start liking it. No, you will. It's the same with that butt stuff. I'll just start liking it.

They actually go hand in hand, butt stuff and coke. That's true. You'd be surprised. You could even smuggle coke with your ass. So yeah. Like I said, they go hand in hand. Hand in hand, finger in finger. Don't do that. All right, I won't do it. Yeah, coke and butt stuff. You got the finger, you're already. That's the gateway. Even that, I'm kind of like, I'm fine. Wait, are you married? I'm not married. Are you single? I'm seeing someone. Why did he go, uh...

No, I'm dating someone. You have to say it with more confidence. I'm dating a woman. Thank you for clarifying. We didn't know. Thank you for clarifying. Thank you for clarifying. We saw the sweater. We were confused. Dude, how do you deal with this? It's a lot. It's a lot.

it takes a toll yeah the drinking help the drinking house him or you we're about to kill this bottle well that was the that was the goal where are we at on the time how are we doing we're fine i mean good i was like we can hang for a minute i've got nowhere to go i would like this is the thing there's not many people we can talk about the history of fucking comedy old tv shows where do you stay when you're in new york what area wherever the company pays that makes sense yeah except espn had me moved to brook because the games in brooklyn so they had me moved to brooklyn so i'm not doing that i'm

I'm going to say you're a Manhattan guy. I'm like, that was one of my things with relocation was more of like, like I want to live in Manhattan. And so, uh, wife was like, Oh, you know, it's two years. We'll do this. And I was like, yeah, I'm looking at placements. She's like, well, that's going to be, I was like, well, like, can we at least get something in Manhattan? Like, I don't, I like, I like Brooklyn. I love the Brooklyn Nets. No issue with that. It's just like,

I like Manhattan. You like the culture. I like the vibe. And it's not the same as it once was like 10 years ago, but the city always fucking changes. Sure. So it's like, I just like Manhattan. That's my shit. I'm with you. But I'm looking forward to if the opportunity does present itself to spend more time. Would you like some? Yeah, please. You're really light. Well, I'm trying to finish the bottle. That's the only reason why I topped off with a glass. I feel like JR. Yeah. God.

So, Richard, my watch people want to know what you're wearing there. Your watch people? Are we streaming this? No, no. I'm not joking. I know they watch. No, it's a Cartier Santos 100. Damn. That's cool. I got a Timex $10. Yeah. Well, I didn't say the price of my watch. Oh, that's a good price.

I don't have any cool numbers to go with mine. Yes. Do you have a collection or is this your showpiece? This is my nicest one. I accidentally wore it for these guys. I have three or four watches.

I do like watches, but that shit's expensive. It's just a rabbit hole, too. It's just a rabbit hole. One cool watch, I think, is good, but then you get sucked into these people that are collectors, and some of this shit is crazy. It's like, yeah, Richard Millay for half a million dollars. And they're hideous. You know how you see those bodegas, and you're like, that's definitely, they're just funneling drugs through there. That's the only way to do it. It's like, why are you buying a half-million-dollar watch? Well, it goes up and down. Because one person bought it.

Yeah. And now that's the rate. But yeah. And we make fun of women with the purses and the shoes. But we're doing we're doing cars, watches, sneakers. What's the most expensive thing you've ever bought?

Outside your wife. Got it from Russia. They had to put holes in the box. For you, for you, where you're like, holy shit, I can't believe I'm doing this. Low self-esteem, comedian, insecure. I bought a 1973 BMW. It's a classic. And I just bought it drunk on the internet at three in the morning during the pandemic. Wow. Yeah. And I love it. There it is. You can see it there. It's a beauty.

Yeah, I showed it to Seinfeld. He likes it. He's a car guy. Yeah, he's a car guy. You've got to get on the next season. I know, right? The car helps. That would be cool. You have an in now. You're like, we drive my car. Because this whole thing is you drive a car that represents you. Totally. And you don't have to fly to L.A. Jerry, I have no influence. But as a fan of your show, and I watch it often, I think he would be outstanding. Oh.

Thank you. It would be outstanding. Jerry's like, who the fuck is this guy? He's more of a baseball guy. He's a baseball guy. Yeah. If you were Jose Reyes, this would have worked. Yeah, 100% done. Would you come too? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the craziest shit? I mean, an apartment is the craziest thing I've ever seen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's adulting. That's adulting. I'm talking about like- A watch is probably the craziest. You got a nice watch? Yeah, yeah. There's a Rolex. Oh, I know.

That's nice. And look, I like it. You got the, you got the everyday band. You got the, the, so you wear it all the time. Yeah. I don't like, I like it to be a little subtle too. I don't like like a flashy wash. Yeah. I think it's, it's just cool. It's like, yeah, it's nice. It's good. And I don't spend big really. Well, you're a comedian. I get it. You want to be frugal. Shit goes up and down. It could go away. Yeah. It could go away. You'd be Louis CK. You don't know.

Louis is making a lot of money still. He's crushing it now. He had to go a little bit more on the independent side. True. But I loved his show. I wrote Louis an email at 2 a.m. a few nights ago. And I said, I'm just binge watching Louis. And I said, I'm so happy this show exists. It's like the perfect combination of New York and comedy and the cellar. And I love the way you represent New York. And he wrote me like an essay back. Really? What a fucking. See, I think that's like.

Me hanging out, again, I'm going to make up a random associate, but yeah, me texting and hanging out with Ron. The way I look at you when you're like, yes, I sent Louis C.K. I'm like, I fucking love him. That's the best. He's so awesome. I think he's one of the best ever. Ironically, you jerked him off. I did. I really did. Sorry to say that. No, I just think he's one of the best minds ever.

Oh, yeah. History of comedy is crazy. I go through his shit all the time on YouTube, just rewatching old stuff. It's so good. It all holds up. Did you ever watch his show on HBO that he did? Yeah, Lucky Louie. Lucky Louie was amazing. So funny. What did they get, two seasons of that? One, two seasons? Barely. And it had the Married with Children vibes. Yeah, it did. And it was like his little daughter in the show was awesome. And then he did Louie on FX. Yes. That was my favorite one. That was awesome. Some of the shit when he had like, wait.

It was the two little white girls with a daughter, but had a black wife. I forgot her name, the actress. She also played his wife in Lucky Louie. Pamela Adams. Yeah, she was like, how did those come out of here? And it was just like, what do you mean? And it was like, I'm crying. She's not even getting the bit out. I'm just like crying laughing. I heard him explain that once on a radio show. He said, I just hired the best actress for the job.

Yeah. Meritocracy. She's amazing. He said, fuck the explanation. Who cares what the explanation is? And then you get a joke out of it. Yeah. Because it is like the minute you see it and it's like the minute you see, you don't, you, the jokes, you start laughing before you,

She even says anything. It's like, I think she was meeting his wife for the first time. She's a black woman. And the other actress, again, I forgot her name. Pamela? Yeah, Pamela's like, she was confused. Yeah. Because now the whole audience is confused. Of course. And you're like,

And then watching her kind of navigate through the... How did that come out of... And you're just like, that's well done. Whoever did that, that's a real random piece in a script. That's all him. Yeah, that was fucking great. My favorite thing is just the way he...

handles construction in New York where they're just drilling outside do you have that clip yeah yeah it's like one of my favorite things he just represents New York the way I like relate to it where it's a love hate relationship and right I mean he's yeah he's he was at a point right then when like he couldn't he could shit out gold it was like

Everything he did. Because it was just like his vantage point. Even my boys will do like, one of my boys will be like, hey, you want to go do a bang bang? Right? Where it's just like, you just eat two. That's Bobby Kelly. Oh, he's so funny. Wait, what is bang bang? Where they eat two restaurants in a row. Do you want to go like Mongolian beef and sushi? I see. This is fucking, this is New York to me. I know, you're like, I'm going to sleep in tomorrow. It'll be a great day. And then this shit happens. This is fucking great.

Yeah, it looks like your block. It really does. And it's a Saturday morning. Yeah. I think they're having fun. They're just extra banging. Exactly. They're just banging for no reason. That's great. Because that's what he's envisioning them doing currently right now. Exactly, exactly. Then you've got to heighten it.

This is a great... What a fun moment for an actor, too. Like, oh, we get to break in and hit shit. But it's like, this is what it feels like when it's going on outside your window. Yes, exactly. That's comedy, baby. And just being miserable is funny. Losing is funny.

Colin Quinn always says to us, we're not supposed to win. Yeah. No. We're fucking losers. And I'm like, it's good to remember that. Yeah. That's Rodney Dangerfield. I don't want to hear how awesome and how successful you are when you get on stage. I want to hear how you're just like me, but a little bit worse so I can laugh at you. Yes. That's all people want. Well, you know, I came home the other night. I saw a guy jogging naked. I said, what are you doing? He said, you came home early. Yeah.

He's losing. No, I've watched and then listened to all of his stand-up shit, and it's just like Jackie Marling. How do you come up with a billion one fucking lines? I know, I know. How does your brain work in such an ADD way that you can come up with...

a million one-liner, two-sentence jokes and just string them all together, remember them all, do all, like that shit, that's why I say like I think comedians, if you were to put the five smartest scholars and the five best comedians, I feel like their level of intelligence is the same. Woo!

Speaking of a comedian, I don't know about that. No, they might have some more dark shit. But, like, come on. To be able to touch human people and touch a story and tell it and articulate it and, like, bring in so many emotions. Chappelle does it such a great job where it's like he's not even trying to make you laugh. It's just because it's him telling you this fucking horrendous story that it's just like, but you find the humor and the softness and the message. Like, that shit is fucking hard to do.

It's hard, but you've got to work it out in front of a crowd. And the problem is, like, I made that Rosa Parks joke earlier. You laughed. Other people would go...

that's kind of fucked up. That's a serious story. And I'm like, I know, but I'm, I'm joking. Yeah, but I'm fucked up. That's why I was like, Oh yeah. Okay. We're the same. But that's my point. We're the same. Not everyone is like us. And that's the hard part. And they go, Hey, there's a risk in doing that. There's a phone on your face and that phone on your face is the risk higher than it's ever been for you guys. And the last, let's say in the last three. Okay. Since 2020 has the risk ever been higher? It's not higher, but it's,

but it's more obvious because of the internet. They can go at you. If they want to end us, they can end us. I mean, that's the thing. It's like, we've said enough shit. There's enough footage of us. If they want to take us down, it's easy. You just have to commit to it a little bit. I think...

I think the cancel stuff is a little overblown. I agree. Oh, it is. I think it's like... No one's canceled. No one's canceled anymore. Exactly. Unless you're her friend. Over jokes? Over fucking jokes? Like, who gives a fuck? I know. No intelligent person is like, he needs to stop talking. There's enough... Like, Trump is running again. Fuck.

You're going to get mad at us? Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's like the positive. But it's like even Dave Chappelle, he's like, just remember, you clicked on to watch this. That's a good point. You clicked on to watch my comedy. You can't go complain about it. But that's where I think comedy is. Some people will watch things to be offended. Yeah.

They're going to watch it. That's their form of entertainment. Yeah, that's their form of entertainment. It's like, I'm going to watch Dave Chappelle tonight. If he says one negative thing about this. Well, people hate watching it. Yes. But he said you tuned in. Think about that. You used to watch TV and it was like you were entering a room that you're like, well, let's see how this works. You were taking a chance on that channel, not the person really. So now you're taking a chance on the person. You click. That's new. But if you click on gay porn.

That's on you. If you're like, what the fuck are these animals doing? You're like, you opened it up. The guy never showed up. Yeah. Yeah, you came. Yeah. What? Yeah, you're the one that came. Yeah, exactly. You're the one who got hard and finished. You're jerking off like this is the worst gay porn I've ever seen. Is that the porn you watch?

No, no, I'm just making an analogy. I'm just saying. So you're not being literal? No, but I have watched it just to see where I'm at. Oh, you did that Viagra. You did the Viagra gay porn test. I didn't need Viagra.

You did that? Yeah. I think Daniel Tosh did that. They did the Viagra gay porn. Oh, really? Yeah, he did it on Tosh.0. And it was like they all stood on a table. They were wearing sweatpants, and then they all took Viagra. That's hilarious. Maybe they didn't take Viagra, but I remember that was the bit. Like, take Viagra to see if you're really gay. Wow, that's funny. You know, those mid-2000s shit.

Take Viagra, sweatpants, and they all stood there, and then they had gay porn on the whole time. And if anybody got hard, that's how they knew. That's hilarious. Did you ever play with a gay guy? Yes, I played with the gay guy. Amici? Well, no, I didn't. What do you mean by play? No, like... No, no, no. Jason Collins. Jason Collins. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Jason Collins... He's gay? Very. I didn't even know that. Oh, very, like...

Very very like he wasn't out when he played though, right? No, no, he wasn't out. But what was funny is that Jason so we I knew him in college I went to Arizona play at Stanford So we like we were rivals like both of us were number one seeds like they were very good We both get drafted to the Nets in the same year and I'm sitting here like fucking hate this guy fucking Stanford Fast-forward he becomes one of my closest friends like we were on the team together for five six years all of our success all of our stuff like that's my guy and

We both get traded. A couple years later, he comes out. I wake up and I'm like, I wake up and someone sent me a thing. And it was said like Jason Collins, he comes out. It's like he wasn't on a roster at the time, but I think he was kind of like, if I'm not going to play, I still want to be an advocate. So he comes out, the big sports illustrated, and he comes out as gay.

So I fucking text him and I'm like, yo. And this motherfucker responded back to me. He's like, yeah, I was meaning to talk to you. And it's just like, yeah, he came out as gay. It just never came up. It just never came up. No, he actually dated a woman for a long time. He dated a woman for a long time. And we saw all his stuff and she was great. But he came out. And the funny thing is he has a twin brother. He has an identical twin brother. Jaron, right? Jaron that also plays in the NBA. So you're like, are you...

both gay or like so and i know jared really well so i throw a lot of jokes back at him his wife elsa's awesome hi elsa and so but the funny thing about about jason is that i don't care who you bang i don't care what you do are you on practice on time are you gonna help us win are you gonna help me motherfucking make money then i don't care you're not hitting on me i'm not that's what i say to every gay man i'm like as long as you help me make money what i don't

I don't care. Right? Like, come on. Like, that's why, you know, all my, like my accountants and all my people are Jewish. Like, it's like, God, help me make money. I love my people. Right? Like my agent, my accountant. And I'm not saying that that's the only thing that they do, but they help you make money. They're very good. Right? Yes. Yes. And they have a lot of black athletes that play sports because, you know, there's a lot of Jewish athletes. You know, they're very good. They're very good at making money. Yeah. Yeah.

That's your NBA. That's your NBA. Well, in the 50s, the NBA used to be mostly Jewish. Yes. And it sucked. Ha ha ha!

Hey, don't you talk shit about Dolph Shays. Don't you know what Dolph Shays is? Don't you like that? You sound like J.J. Redick talking about they were all plumbers back in the day. Oh, shit. I hate that. Also, I did reach a point where I knew I was going to be a good athlete, so I started playing GM mode on NBA 2K. I was like, I'll build a team. That'll be my thing. I'll make trades. How'd it go? Not well. Are you still playing 2K?

I don't really play. I play like I have it for my friend, but I don't play really. Yeah, you wish you had. I feel like sometimes either you get your brain just shuts down from video games. I still love video games. It's too complicated now. It's too many things to learn. I'm not good at it anymore. Yeah, so I was too competitive. I never played sports games. I never played sports games because it was just FIFA, yes.

because there could be four of us in there. It could be like 2v2. That's fun. You're fun. You're eating some edibles, smoking some weed, drinking some... That's like GoldenEye. Yeah, like GoldenEye. GoldenEye's old school. I was a Halo guy. Oh, yeah. Halo's incredible. And now they got the show. Shout out, Halo, whatever. You guys are awesome. Great show. The show's good? It...

It got off a little because it kind of it was like a prequel to like the video game and the video games like a story as you guys. It's like a story. So it's like a prequel to it. So it kind of shows you how Master Chief became Master Chief and all that shit. And it's just like Master Chief for me was like the first fucking Spartan.

And he was like the badass, like everything. But yeah, me and my boys, we would play that shit for like 10, 12 hours because there was nothing else to do. It was like what kids are doing now with Fortnite and Call of Duty. That's what we were doing with Goldeneye and Mario Kart. That was classic. Well, because Mario Kart, you can get the drunk girls back, the sorority girls. You get them back. You're like, you want to go back to our place and play Mario Kart? And it was like, yeah. And even if you didn't hook up with them, you had girls in your place playing Mario Kart. It was a good night. It was a good night.

Great night. You know, whoop their ass, talk a little shit, maybe let them win, feel good about themselves. And then you throw a red shell at her later. It was a white shell. I don't know if this guy is gay. Is this guy out? Towns is not gay. Well, listen to this for a second. Uh-oh. He has like a voice identity crisis. He's definitely code switching. He's code switching. How did you find your shots in this game?

Oh, interesting. That's cool. All right. All right. We can edit this because I don't want to. This is the thing. This is the thing for look. Code switching for black people is a very difficult thing. Right. From a standpoint of this. Right. It is difficult. I can't imagine. No, no, no. I was born in South Central L.A. Right. I lived there. My mom went to Dorsey High School. Dad went to Inglewood. Like I grew up in South Central. I now leave to Arizona.

It's a very different environment. It's all white. It's all white. It's all white and a lot of Mexicans, right? True. All my best friends growing up were Mexicans. Like...

And so it's like you're learning to adjust. Like when you're sitting talking with your cousins and your grandmother and your uncle and you're like, that's one thing. You go to school and it's not that you're doing it on natural and purpose. You're just kind of somewhat trying to like blend into the environment. So, you know, it's already difficult enough. And I feel like he just has a trouble, trouble with the switch. That's all it is because.

Everybody has it. Like you have, when you're sitting down talking to executive, how you talk when you're sitting and talking to him is completely different. Like you're a different version of yourself. Your, your voice is different. You don't give a fuck. You're filtered. And it's the same thing. Except for black people, we've had to assimilate to a culture that puts us in a spot of like, yeah, how I talk with my boys in the locker room is not how I talk on ESPN, how I talk

with like my family member and all my cousins and everybody that are from like South Central. That's not how I talk to all my friends that went to University of Arizona. And so I feel bad for our boy Kat because like

He's just not good at it. But I don't think he's doing anything wrong. I've seen his contract. I don't feel too bad for him. That's what I'm saying. I don't feel that bad for him. He's doing all right. He's doing all right, but he gets a lot of shit. He also talks a lot of shit, though. I mean, there was that podcast clip of him being like, I'm changing the game and stuff. There's bravado. I mean, you bring more of that attention when you're saying that. And he's having a good year. Well, this is the problem.

We're fucked up. No, but I'm saying the level of confidence and arrogance and like irrational confidence and irrational arrogance that you have to have to even get close to being there. Now, do scales kind of tip a little bit? Maybe. But like you have to be psychotic to be like at 12 years old.

10 years old I want to be in the NBA similar and then you get into then you're 18 19 and you're like oh I can do this and so it's like how the fuck can we tell that man that like I would say delusion for us like for comedians like you have to be like

I'm telling jokes to strangers in a bar. What, in what fucking world do I think I should get paid for that? It's insane. Yeah. And then when you're young, remember thinking like you have that delusion where you're like, maybe I'll get on Letterman soon. Of course. Of course. But you're like, we sucked. You need it. That fuels you. Yeah. But, but like, but that's why I have so much respect. Like, so I did, I did improv. Uh,

Really? At UCB. So when I first retired, I did a show. I was trying to sell a show, and I was trying to sell an athlete, kind of like a Curb Your Enthusiasm style, but a former athlete that's retired.

He's got all the money. He's got nothing to fucking do. And he just walks around fucking around like, yeah, it's like kind of like causing some chaos. So we were working on that. I'm glad I said it to everybody. But it was they were like, hey, Richard, you know, we like the idea. But like, have you ever thought about like hosting like a game show? And so there was I was like, OK, cool. So they wanted me to do the pilot for the game show.

And I was like, well, what do I do? I like to be prepared, you know, whatever. And they were like, I was like, do I take acting classes? They're like a hosting coach. I was like, I've never hosted anything. Like I just retired four months ago. And the guy was like, have you ever done improv? And I was like,

no, I'm a fucking basketball player. So he's like, man, go do this. So he sent me to UCB. So I did one-on-one. I did like a two week intensive. I did one-on-one. I did two-on-one. I did three-on-one and then COVID hit. And so like, I couldn't like, cause I retired in 2018. So once COVID hit, then I'd like, couldn't do it. But it was like going and doing that shit, bro. I have so much respect. Like you can see people's whose brains just work at a speed and they can put it together and they can like, like,

you know, whatever someone's saying in this and I'm going to yes. And, and I'm going to do this, but the respect I have, not only for the, the improv people, but this comedy is like, it's like, Richard, would you ever do standup? And I was like, no, I like, I like that. I,

I have a high level of confidence, a very, very high level of confidence. And if I were to go on stage and it were, I don't want to fuck with my confidence. It takes a different person to put themselves out there and say, I'm going to be vulnerable. I'm going to tell jokes. I hope you guys all like this. I, it just requires a lot of failure and you're, and you've already perfected something. It's tough. It's, I don't know if anyone could be a great comic or,

starting famous. Yeah. I think it's very hard. That's why Eddie Murphy is going to have trouble because he might come back, he might come back, but he's going to have to fail for two years to get at a good hour. And he can't fail in privacy. I mean, part of the beauty is Mark and I, when we started...

We were in New York, so people saw us. A lot of people come from another city and they have some... Like Hannibal Buress moved from Chicago to here. We love Hannibal. We love Hannibal, but he moved from Chicago. He had some juice in Chicago. Mark and I started here. So we... People saw us when we sucked. And then out of nowhere, you kind of get good. And people were like, oh, shit, all right. But...

There's something about failing in privacy. Like we'd find shitty rooms. Yes. I would do like late night, the comic strip. And, you know, they, there would be no comic, there'd be comics, but they're all my friends. Yeah.

i hated the mics at a certain point because you were just failing in front of people who didn't give a fuck yes other comedians other comedians yeah and they weren't there to laugh they were exactly yeah and it's like you don't have a fan base you know people are excited to come see you now i've seen you on social media and like like oh matt rife is coming to town like you don't you know i'm saying you don't have those people right but no i just respect i my thing about comedy and like yeah i'm a i'm a

a nerd, right, when it comes to it. Because it's like, I can only watch so much basketball. I can only watch so much shit. So, like, I fell in love, like, comedy specials, listening to Raw Dog, like, finding different people, you know, Whitney Cummings, even, you know, Amy Schumer, and watching them from, like, the roasts

then Schumer becomes like the big one, you know, one of the big stars and watching Whitney. Schumer produced our first special. That's what I'm saying. It's crazy. But it's cool to watch like the growth of comics. Like it, like people don't understand watching comics are very similar to watching athletes. You can watch them as a rookie where, yeah, they might've first showed up on the scene and the NBA was,

But they've done 10 years of work before you ever saw them as a rookie in the NBA. They were playing at 12 and they had to, you know, they were McDonald's All-American and they went to a college and now they're drafted fifth to your school or to your Orlando Magic and you've never heard of them before and now you're invested in them. But it's like now you're kind of following them and then they become an all-star and then become this. It's like, so it's like. But don't you love that about the NBA? It's like these people, these players have chapters. It's kind of. But I love it about, I love it

about comedians very similar i love it about comedians it's like you can watch people and it was like i remember when you know i'm saying like i said i was watching lucky louis right it was like and then the show gets canceled on hp i was like man i don't know who that louis ck guys was but he was really fucking good this is a really random show then he does lucky louis then you see his stand-ups and now the dude's blowing up so it's like you're going on these if you're a

fan of comedy and how many specials has louie done though it's like you're saying these guys are doing the work it's crazy how many specials he probably done even prior to lucky louie so yeah right but that's what george carlin said george carlin said if you do six minutes a month if you can write six minutes a month at the end of the year it's fucking hard to do that i know it's hard to i know but george carlin also the goat right george carlin was like he's in the goat combo yeah yeah he's

He's on Mount Rushmore. He's on Mount Rushmore, without a doubt. But it's like, you're like, so his thing was like, if you can write six, so even if you can't be LeBron, even if you can't be George Carlin, if you have to write six minutes every two months, then all of a sudden, like you have a full, you have a comedy special, you have an hour, right? And that's hard to do.

But I'm saying, so it's fucking trying to be Kobe Bryant. So it's trying to be, and we're all in the same league, right? So you try to achieve it. I completely agree. There's a lot of parallels. Like you mentioned that LeBron story where he was just on one night and you have to block him and it's brutal. We have that with crowds. Like, you ever seen the Bill Burr Philly rant? Oh. It's like, that was his LeBron that he had to, that he had to, you know, defend and all that. And,

He did it. Yeah. And that was on camera, thank God, and it blew him up. But that was his moment of like, all right, that was his flu game or whatever you want to call it. But you know what? He had that. The way LeBron has a night like that, Burr had that because he was eating shit in bad... Bill Burr is this quote Mark and I always talk about. I brought it up to him where I'm like...

killing in obscurity. That's what Burr would say. We're in a strip mall in fucking Ohio and we murdered and Mark and I get to a point where we're like, why does no one know our name? We're killing in Toledo, Ohio. Why doesn't anyone know? We're writing new hours and at a certain point things get good but it's a lot of years of that like, man, another weekend in a strip mall but you don't realize that work like

For us, that's the gym, really. The road is the gym. Yeah, yeah. I love it. Even when I watch NZ's... Is the Comedy Cellar here? Yeah, you should come to the Cellar, man. Yeah, so I would love to come watch you guys perform. I went and watched...

And Z's was doing... This was kind of on his comeback. So he was like, no phones, that type of stuff. Everyone's waiting in line. And he does his whole bit. And he does a really good job because he addressed what was going on. He addressed how things are different now. That's what he talked about. So I got to watch him work on his material before he did his special. And the special was kind of like his quote-unquote comeback. Right. But my favorite podcast that I've ever listened to, it was Louis C.K. and Marc Maron. That's a great ep. That was...

It's a two-parter. Yeah, it was a vulnerable one where it was like Mark talked about like, you know, I was a little jealous of the success that you were having and watching you do this. And Louis was fucking also very vulnerable and was like, yeah, that really fucking sucked because I was going through this and I missed one of my boys. And it's like you listen to Mark and tell you stories about Sam Kinison and all these guys.

And you're sitting here like, that was the coolest thing about comedic podcasts is that you get to learn the history of these dudes and like, wait, this dude was fucking raging with Sam Kinison back in the day. Marin's old school. Yeah, Marin's old school. And it was like, Rodney Dangerfield

I feel like his shit might be on iTunes or YouTube, but it was like he was doing like, you know, Rodney had his place here. Dangerfields. Yeah, Dangerfields had his place. But it was like Roseanne Barr. Yes. It was like a young, like all of these kids. Seinfeld. Robert Townsend. One of them was Robert Schimmel, my favorite opener to any. Schimmel's so good. My favorite opener to any.

this is said ever because it's fucking insane to open he goes I heard a man got arrested for animal necrophilia how do you plead to that I'm sorry your honor I thought the cat was alive while I was fucking it I thought the pussy was alive that's that's insane to open a open a set with that joke yeah yeah takes balls and to look like that just a schlubby bald guy and Bill Hicks in that in that oh Bill Hicks yeah like so Bill Hicks again a lot of these people you learn because like are for me personally I would listen to this and then I'd be like okay who is this guy um

Klein? Robert Klein. Robert Klein. And it was like so many comedians. It's like, you recognize the guy and it's like, you know, I'm just like anybody else. Like, oh, I recognize him. I've seen him in this. But then you would hear like multiple comedians credit him for like his style. Jerry in particular. Yeah, Jerry especially. It was like he was the first one that kind of did it very observational, very this. And so it's like, let me go check out Robert Klein. And all of a sudden you're like,

wow, this fucking guy is good. Hicks is good. I like Hicks. Some of the shit he was doing. We love him. Yeah, Hicks was awesome. My favorite thing of his is, if you haven't heard it listening right now, is the Flying Saucer Tour where he is doing this heady shit in just shit rooms in the south. He was from Houston. He would...

David Tell always said this to us about Bill Hicks is that he would say, you know, a lot of those comics doing this edgy shit, they do it in like San Francisco. They do it in Portland. They do it in like the safe rooms. Hicks is in Alabama. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. They'll meet you outside if they don't like your jokes. Well, that was one of his stories is they chased, he had to run to the car. It happened multiple times where they were just like chasing.

Yeah. Yeah. That shit. He was great. But that's where, but that's again, why, where like, just as a student, like my favorite shit was history growing up. And so like, for me, like studying like the comedic history and understanding like where people come from, what they do, how they do it. And it's like, it's all, all the only thing it did, as much as it makes you laugh, it just gives you a tremendous amount of respect. Like for people like Roy Wood, like he,

was telling me a story roy was telling me like stories about like you watch his stand-up and how he was like vhs's and he was sending out to different comedy clubs to try and go book places and try to do shit and you're like yo i remember vhs that shit sucked to try and record vhs and clip shit together like the same time and you got to pause it and record it it's like bro the the the the comedians that in my opinion are between the ages of like 50

and like 60. The shit that they had to do to get through to if they're successful. But no, that shit's not good. Roy is a classic. From Alabama. Exactly. He's a Birmingham guy who did the road. I mean, it's a great combo. He's like a New York guy, but he's from Birmingham. So I feel like he appeals to so many people. And you know, Jon Stewart's hosting Mondays. Maybe give Roy Wood Tuesday through Thursday. Come on.

Come on. We've been fighting for it for a long time. I love Roy. Roy's okay. Most underrated guy. I'm not asking you guys, but no different than you guys asking me about basketball. You feel like I'm the experts. I look at you guys as the experts. Hasan Minhaj.

he's a friend of mine i like no no i know i love his i i love hassan i i love him when all of this shit was going down and i saw his his video that he made in response to the new york uh the new yorker which i thought was complete bullshit the way they went about it right it was like how do you guys look at it when you're talking about like there's and i see his issue he's like when i'm on the daily show facts come first and we add humor when i'm just telling bits

Like I'm, I'm telling stories and then I'm adding like a tinge of facts in it. So like that crossover part is tough. So I'm just more saying it's like when you're telling a standup hour, right. You're going to tell everything I say is true. That's a fucking lie. That's the biggest lie you've ever said.

I mean, there will be a twist that may be not true for the punchline, but it is all... It's mostly true, I would say, what I said. Okay, so when... Oh, and I'm just purely asking again. You guys can edit this shit out. Like, I'm big on...

One of the reasons why I started a podcast and we were one of the kind of the first to do it is like I want my friends to tell stories. I want the other athletes to tell stories like I'm not here for got yous. I'm not here for clickbait. Like so like I don't give a shit about it. I'm just curious as a fan. Like so when you're when you're him and it's like, OK, when I do this, I might embellish this part. I might embellish that part. Is that like how how do you view that or how do you guys view that?

I would say that what I say on stage is almost, I would say mostly true. I think it's, I think the crowd can tell when it's not true. I think when you make up a joke for a twist and a punchline, it's different than making up

a premise for sympathy. Okay. And I think that was his mistake. That was his mistake. That's true. So that was one thing that like, no matter what he said in his rebuttal, it was like, you got sympathy from the things that came from those jokes. But I also feel a kinship with Hassan and he's my friend. And I also think the way the New Yorker goes about it, I have a real problem with gotcha journalism. Yeah. And I think the way they approach it

I don't think they started with a gotcha piece. I think he was supposed to get the Daily Show. Yeah, well, he hit them up, ironically. It was like, hey, will you write a piece on me? I'm trying to get the Daily Show. Really? And then they twisted it on him. But I think there's like this congratulatory, like they think they're doing something brave, but it's like...

Don't do real bravery. This is just a guy who's trying to get a gig. Go help somebody. But you can't host a daily show if you are now busted and a lie because you are interviewing politicians and you need credibility. It's tough. It's a sticky situation. I think he's...

He's charismatic. He's a funny guy. He's amazing. He did the NBA All-Star Weekend. He did the Super Bowl game. And like you guys, hopefully I have his tab. I'm a fucking nerd when it comes to comedy. I love him. And I was bummed that... Because I was like... I went to... Because...

when the daily show was doing the things I kind of sent like a tweet of like, Hey, if you guys need a sports correspondent, let me know. I would love to be a sports correspondent for the daily show. Whoa. Hassan had, he had just done the all-star weekend and they were having Giannis. Remember he interviewed Giannis on,

I did a benefit for Giannis with him once and it was fun as hell. It was awesome. And so I was like, I was, so once I saw that, and so I was like, I was like, Hey daily show. And someone hit me up for the daily show. Like, Hey Richard. And the timing didn't work out cause they were trying to do something with Giannis. But I was like, and they're like, Hey, why don't you come by the show? So then I started going by the show. Like I think I went twice and it was just more of just like, I wanted to see it. I wanted to be around. I'm a huge fan of the daily show. I love it. I love seeing all of the different people come on it. Uh,

and just seeing everyone's flair. But Roy is so good. He's so good on that show. I thought Hasan would be outstanding. I think he would have done a good job too, personally. I was like, okay, cool. This is what he wants to do. He's going to do this for the next 10 years. And when he kind of was saying that he's kind of the leading guy and blah, blah, blah. And you're like,

Okay, so what the fuck are they gonna do now? Like, yeah, they bring in John to do like once a week, which I think is awesome. John is the icon, right? Like he is the show. And so you're like, okay, but that's like, John doesn't want to do this. You motherfuckers gonna have to find a real host. How badly do you think they wish they just hired John Oliver? Well, he's on HBO. I know, but they could have had Oliver. When Stewart was out, they could have made him an offer. But the problem is,

Trevor Noah was fucking really good. I just thought Trevor Noah, if you had to pick between Trevor Noah and him, Trevor Noah was a little bit younger, like a little sexier, a little cooler. And neither of them, I think both of them, in my humble opinion, are perfect. They're perfect for the job. Trevor did it for a few years and was like, guys, I appreciate this, but it's time for me to move on. But John, last week with John Oliver is...

It's pretty next level. Roy Wood deserves a show, in my opinion. And I've said it. I agree. I've said it loudly. He's messaged me about it. He's like, basically, you could stop campaigning for me. I'm like, I won't. I won't. No, I will join the campaign for Roy. And if Roy doesn't want it, well, like, you guys give me a call. I would love. No, no. I don't. Liz, I don't want to host the show currently. Not yet. But I would love to be some sort of correspondent.

That would be great. You should be the sports correspondent. I would love to be the Daily Show sports correspondent. That's part of the reason why I was like, in 2024, I'm going to go do as many comedic spots. Yes. Because people see me as the funny guy on sports. I'm like, no. I really know and study comedy. I really know this shit. First field piece, you in Toronto talking a crazy bitch. Yes, 100%.

Oh, God, no. Get them drunk. Well, it's different now because I'm 43, so they're probably 40. So it's not probably a mom of three now in like PTAs and soccer clubs and shit. It won't have the same effect. So what is your guys' next story for the next? What are you guys trying to do in 2024?

We're doing a Vision Quest, a Vision Board. He's got a special recording in March. Yeah, I'm taping a special in March at the Wilbur for Amazon. It's going to be on Prime Video, this next one. Okay, in Austin, huh? No, Boston. Boston. The Wilbur is a great theater. It's going to be killer. So we're doing four shows. We're going to tape there. And, you know, Mark and I are...

we wrote a movie we're trying to sell it what's the movie it's about two struggling liquor salesmen we got our own whiskey here Bodega Cat oh Bodega Cat I saw you guys you guys are looking for a distributor right yes and that's the premise of the movie so we got the script out to people hopefully people want to make that and then yeah when is this coming out

Two weeks. So what are we still? Well, we're going to exchange information. Like Hannibal Buress, do you ever see the I Workout? He has this... No. So if you could pull up the... He has this song. He has an alter ego. Who's a rapper now, right? Yeah. Kind of like Simon Rex. Oh, yeah. Dirk. Yeah. Simon's been on here a couple of times. Yeah, no. I saw him. I watched Simon. Me and Simon. What?

So... So, okay. So, okay. We'll work on the content. But, so... So far, I prefer stand-up. Yeah, yeah. No, so I met... I met him many years ago and I saw him at the airport and I was like, yo, Hannibal, how are you doing? You know, I'm a nerd. So I'm like, yo, man, how you doing? He's like, I'm headed here so we exchange information. So then he tells me, like...

Seven months later, he texts me and was like, hey, I have this song that I'm trying to film the music video for. I lift weights. He's like, you want to be a part of it? I'm like, goddamn right. And so I was like, hey, Hannibal, I own a yoga studio in LA. I know it's cliche. Do you really? Yeah, I own a yoga studio there. Are you a big yoga guy? Yeah, I got into it because I started playing basketball. Well, not started playing basketball, but I was like...

Towards the end of my career, it was like I found yoga and I was like, oh, this is fucking help because athletes don't stretch. So it was like I'm 35 years old. I started going to yoga. It's 98 percent women. It's fucking great. I love it because it's a workout, everything. So then me and my buddy.

We were living in Venice and a bunch of our friends lived in Hermosa, Manhattan Beach, and there was no nice yoga studio down there. So I was like, dude, like there's no nice yoga studio in Manhattan Beach with all that. I was like, why don't we do it? So we did it. Whatever. We've been very, very fortunate with the success there. But Hannibal text me was like this. I'm like, fuck, Hannibal Buress text me. This is awesome. Like, hey, I got a I got a yoga studio if you want to come in. So in the video, I won't give it away. But he wears like one of those like muscle suits.

Right. So I'm the yoga director or I'm like the yoga teacher. And like there's people and he just burst like they're filming him, like bursting in, like lifting weights and like screaming at all the all the people. And it was just like to me, like Hannibal Buress, like he he's all time. So, yeah, he's all time.

I love that closer in his last Miami special about getting arrested. That was fucking crazy. Oh, yeah. True story. Yeah. I really, I really, Hannibal Buress, like, I love him. He, we, do we still credit with him for really kind of calling out Bill Cosby and really kind of watching that shit? I don't think people are really, again, you don't always look at the origin of something, but it's like, it was like. Cosby ain't listening to I Lift Wage. Let's put it that way. No, but I'm,

I remember in his stand-up, he was doing some crowd work, and he was like, call him out. You pull your pants up. Yeah, and then it started building steam, and then there were some women that popped up. It was like, he's not fucking lying, and that's really true. In the CNN doc, they credit Hanuel Burress. Do they really? Absolutely, 100%. I remember I used to work at the Door of Broadway Comedy Club, and Mike DiStefano, RIP, who was a great comic, was on stage, and someone heckled him about...

and he goes, yeah, well, he fucking rapes women, so I curse, but I don't do that. Something like that. I'm butchering the wording, but I was like, I didn't know that. That was the first I ever heard of it. And the worst part, I won't say it, the worst part about it is obviously the women. I'm listening. I'm listening.

My best celebrity story is Bill Cosby. Oh, let's hear it. My best celebrity story is Bill Cosby. So like when people was like, Richard, okay, listen, you've been in the league 17 years. You've been around. What's your best story? Sleepover? No, no, no, no, no, no. My best story. And he handed you a coffee. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is it.

So I've always been a fan of comedy. I've always been that one. And I also like to argue. So my parents would always say, oh, you're either going to be a lawyer or a comedian. My mom and dad are both from Philadelphia, right? Cosby, his roots, grew up watching the Cosby show. So when I was a little kid and I was always cracking jokes, getting in trouble, and my dad would always say, you're not a comedian unless Bill Cosby tells me you're a comedian. So I'm like, oh, whatever. And he would tell me that my dad, that that was my dad. He would just, we loved the Cosby show, whatever.

Fast forward to like 2005, 2006. I'm with the Nets playing whatever. And one of the people that Claudia, she worked with the Nets. And I was like telling her about how we were just bullshit and telling her about Bill Cosby. And she's like, oh, I help Bill all the time. Every time he comes to the game, I get his tickets. I take care of him. I'm like his own personal like concierge. And I was like, no fucking way. She's like, he's amazing. He would 100% do that. So I'm like,

what the fuck are you talking about? Right? Like my mind is like, cause like Claudia, like Claudia and I, we've worked together for years. And so I'm telling her this random story and blah, blah, blah. And so fast forward, like a week,

I get a phone call from Bill Cosby and I'm like, that's a random number. And I'm just like, hello. And yeah. Hey, so I get a call and it was like, is this Richard? And I was like, I don't know who it is. I'm like, yeah, you know, whatever. I'm glad I put my hand up to make it seem like I'm talking on the phone. And he was like, um, so I hear your parents say that you're not a comedian unless you talk to me or, or, and I was like,

And now it's like all starting to click. And so then I try and say something funny. He didn't laugh. He didn't think it was funny. He was just like, why don't you give me your parents' phone number? And at that point in time,

I was like, oh, okay. So I give him my parents' number. This is, I'm talking about. It would be great if this was the Cosby impersonator. I wish I could. I wish. I know. I wish it was. What year is this? This was probably like, I want to say like 2006 maybe. Okay. Wow. Right? 2006. So Bill Cosby, I talked to Bill Cosby on the phone. I give him my parents' number. He calls my parents.

And now at this, like he calls my parents, my parents don't know who is talking to them for the first two. It's just like, so I hear that apparently you say your son's only a comedian. If I talked to him, blah, blah, blah. And I'm doing a terrible Cosby impersonation. I'm drunk. I apologize. And, and,

After a while, my parents realized who the fuck they are talking to. And he was a Nets fan. So that was what got me some grace. And so like my mom calls me and she's like, Richard, your dad did like a fucking flip after he realized. And he got their information. And then the next time he went to tour in Phoenix, my parents went and watched them. He went and met them, talked to them. And then like, you know, again,

In 2006, Bill Cosby is fucking Michael Jackson. He's Prince. He's fucking that guy. Yes. Right? Like, he is still the most untouchable comedian maybe that has ever lived. Right? And so that, to me, it was like to tell this story that, like, Bill Cosby gave me the blessing that my dad had all in God rest his soul, my daddy passed away. But it was like, to me, that was the... And it was like, once all this shit happened, I was...

so sad for all of the women that he offended and it was fucking piece of shit to do it but also like Bill Cosby gave me his blessing doesn't take away from the story doesn't take it away and so like that was the one I don't tell the story very very often from what I got from the story is that Cosby's a great guy laughing

across the board. He didn't do anything to my mom, so that was positive. That was positive. But it was one of those things I recognize and I am sensitive to what went on. But at the same point in time, it's like... You got to take your W there. Yeah. It's pretty special. It's incredible.

A random connection. And I tell this story and like, you know, that's always been my dream just to fucking crack jokes and fucking have people laugh. I enjoy it. So to have Bill Cosby do that, I'm like, I probably told that story only like two or three times because like I'm sensitive to the subject. But I can tell you guys because you don't give a fuck.

We're sensitive to the victims too, but we do want a good story. Okay. Well that, that's my, that's my one Bill Cosby. Like he, he, he is my best celebrity story. If you were to ever tell me the fact that he called my parents, talk to them, told him I was a comedian, told him he thought I was funny and then met them when they, when he went and toured out there. So,

Is he out of jail? Can I say shout out Bill Cosby? He is. He's touring again. Bill, hopefully you've been, what's the word? Rehabilitated? Hopefully you've been rehabilitated, but I'm very, very appreciative of that because my dad, God rest his soul, he was the biggest fan. There you go. And I have trouble sleeping, so yeah. Where are you going to be?

I don't know how this comes out. Okay, come on. Omaha, Dallas, Oklahoma City, Irvine, Salt Lake City. Irvine. And then four at the Wilbur for the special. I think they're all sold out. Maybe a few tickets for one of them. Okay, that's a subtle flex. Hey, guys, where's my one shot? Right there. Is that my one shot? Do I have a one shot? That's you, baby. Hey, listen. I don't know these fucking guys, but I will tell you.

I will tell you, if you go watch them, you will not be disappointed. I have done this. I've studied this shit. They're hilarious, funny, awesome. You would not be disappointed. Go watch them. You don't know who the fuck I am, most likely, if you're listening to this podcast. I think we got some basketball crossover. But I'm just saying, you should 100% spend your money to go see them.

Wherever they are, I would pay my own money to go see them, but I expect tickets from both of you. We'll comp. Hell yeah. You comped forever. I expect comps. That means a lot coming from Reggie Miller. But...

Mark, that was pretty cheesy. You are so, look, the quickness that you do. Look at that. Come on, you can see me in bed. Yeah, yeah. It's a curse, isn't it? Because you can't turn it off. No, no. Sometimes your wife is just like, can you just stop being funny? Can you just stop saying quick shit? Well, you know, it's got me into trouble as well. Yeah, yeah, we're in the same boat. Yeah, so I'll be all over the place. Boy, who knows? Austin, Texas, Raleigh, Tucson, Phoenix, Florida.

Wait, what's your name again? Kevin Hart. Hey, listen, go see Kevin Hart. He's not really in the Illuminati. Do not pay attention to any of that stuff. I'll wear a dress. Whatever you want, Hollywood. Buffalo, Minneapolis, Syracuse, Chattanooga, Madison. Yeah, MarkNormanComedy.com. Get some Bodega Cat. Can't thank you enough, Rich. Bodega Cat whiskey. Bodega. If you can't afford the Offerman, get the Bodega Cat. Okay.

That's if you'd like. It's for the people. It's for the people. I'll drink some. Can I get some? No, not now. I'm hammered already. We'll send you a bottle. Yeah, I would love a bottle. Anything you want to plug, Richard? Anything I want to plug? I'd like to plug Road Tripping is my podcast. We pretty much do this where we crack jokes and talk about basketball if I stop slurring. And then also Old Man and the Three, JJ Reddick.

I won't say he's my guy, but he's my associate. He's great. I like him a lot. He's my associate. There's a high probability we're going to be working even more in the future together on doing some projects. I love it. It's a good combo. Yeah, he's got to stick up his ass, and I'm very good at being ventriloquist. I'd like to plug something, even though I had nothing to do with it. Kathleen Madigan special on Amazon.

Amazon? She's a killer. I came upon it by accident the other night. I watched the whole thing. You were supposed to have her on and she fucked up the dates. Did you fuck up or did Kathleen fuck up, Matt? Just say he fucked up. Just blame him. Matt, you fucked up. Kathleen, we'd love to have you. Kathleen, you should come on here. But bring your own liquor. Yeah. Bring your own liquor. But Kathleen, they're amazing. Yeah, she's great. Uh...

maybe get it on with Louis Black. Oh, they used to date. You guys, really? I did not know that. Louis Black told the most insane Epstein story on this podcast. Oh, I did. I saw that. And I was like, he's very free-willing. He's like, yeah, we were all hanging out and we went there and then all of a sudden, was it David Blaine or Copper?

feel if somebody showed up and it's just like bro you know people are listening right like he's awesome no lewis black is lewis black is legendary i love lewis well this has been great what you know keep uh keep an eye on what richard's doing with jj because it sounds interesting yes always watch him on espn will you guys have me back on again of course okay i'll come back this is fucking awesome man we can just talk bullshit hell yeah thanks for listening guys thank you i'm out to lunch here in