The Vanderpump Bump with Alex Baskin
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Another outstanding performance. The clap-ons over here at I've Had It. I mean, the claps, they're just absolutely getting fantastic. There's just no question about it. You know, maybe I should go on America's Got Talent and I could go and do my claps. That would be...

Really groundbreaking television. Wouldn't it though? Yeah. I mean, you're already like a sensation in the podcasting world. I think why not take it to the tube? Yes, for sure. I just want to say, Jenny, we had lunch just now.

And I spilled my entire water on you. You did. At the table. And you were so sweet and so gracious. And I really appreciated that. I apologize profusely. You know, I forgive you. And it was literally water off a duck's back.

And I was the duck. You were the duck for sure. I want you to know if it were iced tea. I would be dead. That came from a Stanley cup. My response would have been instead of, Oh, don't worry about it. It's just water. It'll dry. Cause I'm wearing a all white linen suit listener. If it would have been that iced tea with all that damn sweetener in it,

It would have been, God damn it, Pumps. You might have strangled me with your bare hands. Yeah. So you're lucky. We're all lucky. The world is lucky that it was water. Yes. The patrons of the restaurant are lucky. Everybody. Everything. It was meant to be the spill. It clearly was. Okay. Pumps, what have you had it with? Oh my gosh, Jenny. I have just been dying to pull this one out. Okay. Let's hear it. There's this new thing called Gift Slam.

Fools, F-U-L-S, gift, F-U-L-S.com. And what that is, is a registry for birthday gifts that you put the link of what you want for your birthday on there. And you send it to your friends, like high school, college age friends, for them to buy you things for your birthday. And it gets better.

It's not just like little best friend necklaces that everybody wears one half of the heart. We're talking $100, $200, $300 items on the wish list for the child's friends to buy her. This is so fucked up. I was like the entitlement. Like I would – my first thought was if Emily has one of these, I will snatch her hair out. Of course she didn't. But I mean the entitlement –

To want your friends to A, think anybody gives a shit about your birthday except you. The breathtaking lack of awareness. It's unbelievable. To put that on there. Yes. And just like that somebody doesn't feel the embarrassment. Like I'm just sitting here thirst trapping for gifts. Right. I've seen a list.

And I could not believe the prices. And I'm like, I mean, I'm assuming you would. How old? How old is the person you saw the list for? High school, college age. 18, 16, 17, 18. Probably 16. Boy or girl? Only girls, you would have to think. I can't believe the parents. That's what I'm thinking. I would have never allowed it. The last several birthdays I've done for my kids, and it's just like because one's 20 and the other one's 16, is...

to invite their friends over and I say, no gifts, please. I don't, I mean, like, I can't even remember the last time we had like an official party. I mean, when we do it, I'll do a text to invite his friends. I'm like, no gifts, please. Like we're at the age that we're past that. Your 21st birthday, all your friends buy you a shot. That's it. That's the list. Like friends don't buy like gifts for each other. And if it was like a memento, like a really good smelling candle that you knew I loved and you ran across it.

But for a 16, 17, 18, 19-year-old girl to put hundreds of dollars worth of gifts that she wants for her friends to buy her, I cannot even tell. The entitlement is...

The lack of self-awareness. Do you know how fucked up this person is going to be when they go out in the real world away from their parents? Right. And there's no... The only saving grace for this person that does this is that her parents are so rich that she ends up with a trust fund that could choke a bull. Right. So she doesn't have to worry about it. Other than that, and she's still going to have a lot of problems because I think this is like... It sounds very histrionic personality disorder to me. You know, just...

Look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me. It sounds like a mental disorder that somebody would do that and not have any sort of self-awareness trap to cease such. It's like main character syndrome. Big time. I mean, like it's embarrassing. Well, it's like everybody turns 16.

So it's not like you're the most special person in the world. Birthdays are just, I've had it. They're stupid. I mean, when you're little, yes. But when you turn 16 and you can drive a car, great. You turn 21, you can legally drink, great. But beyond that, there's no... Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. Everybody has a birthday.

Everybody has a birthday and nobody cares about yours. Except for Jehovah's Witnesses. Oh, they don't. You're right. No gifts. They have a birthday. They just don't have gifts. I don't think they acknowledge it. I think that's, I know for a fact it's no gifts. I was talking to a basketball mom friend of mine this weekend. She was telling me that her son who plays basketball, that this Mormon kid was going to go play with him. This is college basketball.

And I was like, Mormons. And this mom friend of mine, she's African-American. I said, man, that Mormon stuff, that's some fucked up white people shit. She died laughing. She goes, well, you know what we black people have? We have the Jehovah's witness. And that's, and I was like, they're the ones who don't celebrate the birthday. She's like, yep. That's the fucked up black people. Mormons is the fucked up white people religion.

Anyway, listener, you're always learning new things. Always learning positive, positive, positive. Let me tell you what I've had it with. Lay it on me. So I get on to Instagram and this girl has made this super reel of herself. One could say it's a sizzle reel, a hype reel where she's decked out from top to bottom and

like making the skirt like a fan on her but you don't see the fan and the skirt's like blowing and then she's like looking over her shoulder and then like it's like vogue and she's like a photo shoot well and it's like all this mixed thing and so I'm like well that's pretty strong to roll out on your Instagram page if you're not like Giselle or something right it's a pretty strong video and this is like an oak local Oklahoma City person okay in the subject it says

My toxic trait is interrupting people. So I'm just like, okay, let's fucking unpack this. Right. First and foremost, um,

Your toxic trait is that you think your followers are so goddamn dumb that they don't realize that this whole thing is a thirst trap video, but you put it under the ruse of trying to act self-deprecating. Like, look at how hot and fantastic and God only knows how many people participated in the production of this Instagram reel. But I'm going to kind of own myself and talk about my...

My toxic trait is, here's the deal. If you're getting on the World Wide Web and you're telling everybody what your toxic trait is, you're missing the most important one. And it is number one, breathtaking lack of self-awareness. That's your fucking toxic trait. So if you want to do a scissor reel, put it out.

Fucking work, Vogue, do all the shit you got to do. And then just put my toxic trait is I like to thirst trap. Fucking own it. Own it for God's sake. But all these Gen Zers and millennials, it's like, oh my God, my toxic trait is...

That, you know, like, I like to investigate my ex-boyfriends. But then in the photo, they look like 12 out of 10. If you're going to thirst trap, fucking own it. Right. But I love influencing. I think I look hot in this photo. You're going to get a double tap from me for honesty. Immediately. Right out of the gates, I'll be like, double tap. Do you happen to remember how many followers this person had? I'd be interested to know. I'm sure it's like, you know, 800, 1,000. Yeah.

It's nothing to fucking, you know, it's decent enough. But this, I mean, the fact. So it wasn't like a 10,000 fuck. Okay. No. Okay. No. No, it was a self-produced sizzle video under the guise of I am so deep I can point out my own character flaws. Right.

Juxtaposed with, look at how fucking hot I am and the great quality of this Instagram reel. Had it. Had it. Fucking had it. It's kind of like the inspirational quotes. Just own your shit. Own it. I'm fucked up. I'm attracted to narcissists. Here we go. Don't put all the narcissists or this. Just fucking own your shit, people. I'll double tap that shit. Right. Double tap. Welcome to I've Had It podcast. This is a podcast where we give you the life skills...

to live as an asshole and we give you the life skills to where when you go out into the world you can feign being a nice person right you know it's a public service it is a public service my name is jennifer i'm angie we call her pumps she's the star of the show and the permanent record that's been decided kylie hello kylie's our producer kylie what is going on in the world of social media

A lot's going on on our social media. Oh, shit. I don't know if you guys noticed, but we lost about 2,000 followers from one post. What was it? The Drag Queen. The Drag Queens. Oh, good riddance. Hit the bricks. Yeah, go pound sand. Yeah, we don't care. So I looked at that, and I ended up going through all the people that wrote something negative, and I'd click their profile. And if they had a public profile...

Then I clicked followers. And at the top of the followers, you can type in to like search it down. And I would enter the letters T-R-U-M-P, 100%.

of all of these people that believe that there is some drag queen agenda to sexualize children, which is total bullshit. Right. It's right up there with like, there are now litter boxes in high schools. Right. Which is total bullshit. But all of these people, guess who they all follow? Trump. And I just want to remind everyone, this man wears a full face of makeup every single day. So technically, yeah.

technically we could argue he's a mentally insane drag queen. I would never do that to drag queens. I would never do that to a drag queen. Ever, ever, ever. Have too much respect. What I think is so funny about this, Kylie, how are these people still here? How did they get this far? Right. How did they get this far? That's a great question. I think it needs to be addressed that the optics of us, two middle-aged white women with Southern accents, and some of these people see us as

And they think, oh, those are my people. And I want to state for the permanent record, we are not your people. We are progressive. We believe that black lives matter. We believe that science is real. We support the LGBTQIA plus community.

Unapologetically. So if any of y'all are still moseying around and you didn't get trying to make a decision, you didn't get all the other stuff that we put down. You can exit now. And here's the deal. You can tell us how many times you're going to leave over and over and over. We don't care. They're like, I'm leaving. I'm unfollowing. And then they just keep commenting. And then our followers are like, I thought you left. Yeah.

We got DMs three days after saying, just want you to know that I unfollowed you the other day. Hey, you know, how narcissistic they think that like we're sending on a search party? Because Kylie, I think we lost 2,000 but gained like three, right? Yeah. Yeah. So fuck off. Yeah. I'm not going to cry over that spilled milk at all.

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All right, listen, all right. Today's a big day. It is a big day. Listeners, so some of you know that have followed Pumps and Me for a long time that we were on a reality television show called Sweet Home Oklahoma.

The production company for our show that was on Bravo is also the production company of Vanderpump's Rules. And unless you've been living under a rock, there's been some fuckery that's gone on on Vanderpump Rules. Right. We tried to live under a rock. Basically...

Everybody on the planet's talking about this a all these hot people work at a restaurant They all fuck each other except for these two people were in like a nine-year relationship One of the guy's name is tom sandoval He fucked his girlfriend's best friend behind his girlfriend's back for like seven or eight months and they're all on the cast of this show Well, the executive producer of this show is our personal friend named alex baskin who?

And so we're going to get Alex on here and we're going to try to get some tea for you filthy animals that cannot get enough of this fuckery. So let's get Alex Baskin on. How are you? Great. Hey, Alex. Hey, Pumps. It's good to see you. It's great to see you. How are you? I am hanging in there. How are you doing? Fantastic. Alex, how much do you miss us?

Oh my God, so much. I mean, look, you only reach out to me to tell me how sick you are of Vanderpump Rules. So here's the deal, Alex. It's a two-thronged situation. Number one, we've had it with Vanderpump Rules.

Also, we're bandwagon jumping on because we'll be like way high in the podcast charts. And then like Stassi or Jax or somebody comes passing us because they've discussed Vanderpump rules. So I'm in the office the other day and a girl that works for me is like Vanderpump super fan. And she's like, I've just been deep diving on the internet. And this producer for Vanderpump said this and this and this and this. And I'm like,

By chance, is the producer's name Alex Baskin? She was like, yes. Do you know him? I was like, yes, I do know him. She's like, you've got to have him on the pod. So I'm like, I'm going to do that. I'm going to text him right now because I love that guy. And number two, we want the Vanderpump bump and we also want to bash it. And so there's just not a better person on the planet to do that with than you. Right.

I'm happy that I can help you fulfill both those throngs. Yes. Yes. It's obviously – so obviously we've kind of had it with Vanderpump. But in being a good podcast host, which you know both Pumps and I are incredible at that.

I mean, that goes without saying. I watched the season finale and then the three reunion episodes over the weekend. So I feel pretty versed. But in case our listeners don't know what's going on, let's give a cliff note version. So basically, a bunch of hot people in L.A., 30 to 40, work for a gal named Lisa Vanderpump at a restaurant. They've

They've all kind of fucked each other, but there are two particular people, Tom and Ariana, who were in a nine-year-long relationship. Raquel was the best friend of Ariana. Tom and Raquel started fucking behind everybody's back, and all of this came to fruition when

In America on national television. You know, you just described the past 10 years of my life. So thank you. No, seriously, because my daughter hijacked me. I mean, I didn't watch it in preparation for the podcast. I got there was nothing else that could be on in the house during the reunions. And I'm sitting there halfway through and I'm like, Emily, all of these people have had sex with each other, right? Right.

And she's like, oh yeah. And I'm like, so what's the big deal now? I do not, I don't like the best friend thing. I mean, that's a huge violation for sure, but I couldn't help but notice that there was a ton of outrage about it when they've all had sex with each other and they've all been in relationships with each other. Yeah. I mean, look, I definitely think the reaction to it is outsized all the way around. Um,

you're right. It's, you know, this scenario has played out in different forms in this series over 10 years. It's a little bit different because I think of the, the, the seat of it, the betrayal of it, the fact that it was something that was ongoing. Um, but,

But the outrage is pretty significant considering no one really has clean hands. I think the reason that the show has existed the way that it has and sort of thrived over 10 years with some ups and downs and there were some seasons that weren't great is the fact that it really is. It's a group of genuine friends. We didn't put them together for television and

they do these things to each other and then somehow bounce back from them, which, you know, I, I just, I can't even identify with these things happening in someone's life period, let alone then, you know, um, hugging it out and looking to see it happen again. Um,

But this was pretty extreme. The other thing is, I think for the show, the reason that this sort of became the sensation that it was is when it happened in our production cycle. So the fact that Ariana discovered this, we were out of production, but we were heading into a reunion where we get the entire group together and they talk about everything that happened.

You know, she discovered on Tom's phone, she discovered exchanges, we'll call them, between him and Raquel on March 1st. She told us on March 2nd. On March 3rd, we were up and running again. And we shot. You bet your ass you were. No, we did not.

You know, we, hey, we're just here to document. Totally. Totally. Let me ask you this. So when I watched, when did you all, Evolution, the production team, when did you all find out about the relationship?

Well, we had heard a bunch about it. We had heard about Tom and Raquel hanging out and there were suspicions. And we covered that at the end of the season, which was in September. So that's when we actually shot what happened at the end of the season. But we didn't know that

it was anything more. And by the way, Ariana herself had heard about this and had talked about it on camera and trusted Tom and trusted Raquel. So we really didn't know for certain until Ariana herself discovered on Tom's phone that

there was exchanges between him and Raquel and Tom had to come clean. Did you have suspicions like prior to this? Because the episode that I watched, one of the reunions, it flashes to Ken, who's like, I don't know, 75, 80 years old, right? And it sounds like he's cracked the case. It's this flashback and he's like, hey, did y'all notice that Raquel and Tom were in the hot tub?

And I thought to myself, having been on a reality TV show before you've 30 people everywhere you go with you. And I thought if this old motherfuckers cracked the case, evolution had to have been onto it to some extent through the show gossip of, you know, of your filming cycle. I mean, we definitely were aware of the rumors and we were, you know, obviously had heard what Ken had heard, but I,

I personally have to say maybe I'm an idiot, but I almost thought it was so blatant that it couldn't be true. At this point, too, I should be the most suspicious person of all time. And with this group in particular, where there's smoke, there's fire. And every rumor turns out to be true. So I but I didn't really know what to make of it. And I had just presumed, you know, that it was like, oh, my God, like that is so devious. Like, I don't actually believe it.

Well, and that's one thing I want our listener to know. So I'm new to this. I don't watch the show, but I watched it. But what amazed me about the reunion is these people, all of the people, the cast members, it is literally like the comment section of a social media post all in one room having a verbal conversation. Right.

It is like, I mean, it is keyboard courage manifested to real life. And then it's like the gal that got cheated on just casually this other gal named Lala is like, oh, yeah, I ate her out once and her boyfriend watched. And they just throw it out there super casually, which here's the deal. I don't have a problem with that. I'm not a prude.

But at the same time, sometimes it's, they've all fucked each other. Lala's eating this other girl out. Then they're all so mad. Sometimes I had a hard time reconciling, like y'all all fucked each other and everybody's eating each other out. So what's going on? Yeah. That's kind of how I, I,

think what they would say is where they felt like it was a greater betrayal is they've all openly done that stuff and they've had indiscretions and they've had you know moments of weakness or done done things that that they shouldn't have done but I think the fact that this was on

Right. And the fact that it was right under Ariana's nose and all of their noses, I think that's really what it was. But I agree. I mean, you know, the sense of moral outrage is a little bit extreme. I mean, I almost felt sorry for the Raquel girl, not because, I mean, what she did was horrible. I didn't feel sorry for her at all. But they were all so hateful and mean and ganging on her. But she showed no contrition. No, she didn't show... I mean, I think she did say she was sorry, but...

She was outmatched. I did. I did not feel I did not feel empathy for her. I didn't. I just felt like she was so outmatched. What she did is inexcusable, period. Full stop. But I did feel like, man, she is because the guy with the mustache that she'd been fucking, he didn't run to her defense at all. What's his name? Sandoval. Yeah. What did you guys what about the end? What about that? The the coda?

Did you feel bad for her after that? No. I thought that made her look worse. That's when she freaked me out even more. Yes, agree. Because at least during the actual reunion, she was like a deer in the headlights. Right. And everybody was against her. Then when she's doing the one-on-one with your showrunner or one of your producers, she's like,

She's talking about the affair and she's smiling and you can tell that she has, you know, very fond memories of it. Her body language and everything. I was like,

She feels zero remorse for this. And I didn't buy. I hate lying. I hate being deceitful because every time she spoke about Tommy, you could tell that she was overtly affectionate towards him. I was going to ask you this, Alex. She was so inappropriate, her affect in that one-on-one. Was she just so nervous she was smiling and giggling? Or is it that she was, like Jennifer said, just had such fond memories and couldn't control it?

I think that I think she was struggling under the weight of the whole situation. And so I think that that was six days after the reunion. And clearly she was more unsettled than she she even had been. She's the one who initiated that conversation. So, you know, the showrunner, certainly Jeremiah, was prepared to have it and had and then asked her a number of specific follow up questions.

but we didn't know that was coming. I mean, we were, you know, one of the conspiracy theories we're dealing with, and there are a lot of them out there is like somehow that was staged or it didn't really take place after the reunion. And you guys will appreciate this. It's because, you know, she was wearing the same wardrobe that she had worn before. It's like, because we match wardrobes. Right. Right.

Exactly. So it's like, there's nothing, you know, to catch us on there. But I really felt like it was someone who was having a really hard time handling the whole situation. And it was saying the things that she wanted to say. It was just like, I, I am,

I'm not going to hold the line that I did anymore. Um, and stick to a certain story that I was asked to tell this is what happened. And so I, I felt through there and look, I, you know, have concerns about everybody involved in any of the shows, because I think the, but especially this, because the public reaction to this is so intense. Yeah. And we struggle with that. Cause like, look, are we in part to blame for that? Uh,

obviously, you know, we're making the most of this, right? I mean, we're milking it, but on the other hand, like, I do think that it's important for people to remember it is just a show. And yes, these are people's real lives and they did the things that were complicated.

But it's like, come on, man. Okay. I have two questions. Number one, were Sandoval's tears real or what, or is he just kind of one of those manipulative crier, manipulative crier types? I thought those were real. I thought he was overcome with emotion. I thought he's having a really hard time with all that. I thought, I thought that was real. Clearly he wasn't telling the full story, but I thought that,

I really I thought that was true I saw him struggling that day that was not someone you know who showed up and put on a performance and by the way if it was fake then and if he were if he you know were acting the entire time he might have done it differently right because then he would have come out theatrically from the beginning he would have said I am so sorry and he certainly didn't do well and he certainly would not have said we fucked but she had her shirt on it was so hot I mean right then I was like that motherfucker is a dick

He wanted it both ways. He wanted to blame Ariana for the affair and say that she was cold and had intimacy issues. And he wanted to blame his moral shortcomings and all of his lies and all of his deceit on her. While at the same time, he wanted to say, I'm so sorry I hurt you and I love you more than I've ever loved anybody. And to that, I would say he's very duplicitous morally, like which leads me to a diagnosis. Yeah.

have narcissistic personality disorder. That's my diagnosis. I just want to go on record, the permanent record that Jennifer is not a therapist, nor does she play one on TV. Oh,

He's a great designer, though. Yes. Great designer. Yes. And an armchair psychiatrist. Yeah. Well, aren't we all? And that's kind of the fun of watching the shows. I mean, I think that you can feel like a piece of shit for doing it, but I think that you can try to... My thing is there's a difference between explaining and justifying. And what I had said to him is...

but don't try to justify because you should talk about what was going on in your life, what was going on in your relationship when all of this happened, but you are in the wrong objectively. Right. And I think that he ended up getting defensive and that didn't suit him well. And then he was offensive, obviously in the end. And when he made that comment to Ariana, like I,

We were in the control room. I'm like, oh, shit, that is not going to land well. No, no, that makes him look horrible. Let me ask you this. So obviously we've been on a show before. We know kind of behind the scenes how this shit goes down. One thing that was different is when typically when the cameras go down, they're down. But during the whole reunion, I mean, y'all are fucking milking that cow. I mean, I mean, y'all follow them like a fucking heat seeking missile. I loved that. That was that was really good.

I would hate it if I were them, I have to admit, because when you have cameras following you, you just want to be like, leave me the fuck alone. But he kind of acts out and he's like all on one of the producers and he's like, leave me alone. I just want to talk to her. Just stop filming me.

There have been rumors per my office manager that educated me about this whole scandal. There have been rumors that he tried to persuade and get adversarial with production outside of what we saw in the reunion show. Like once y'all started filming the reveal of the affair that he was very adversarial with evolution, with you all, with production. Can you throw us a bone on that?

Yeah, I mean, I will, again, to the credit of this group, you know, we found out about this, like I said, on March 2nd and March 3rd, we were filming, like we filmed that next day. But he, at one point he was,

pissed at us and didn't want to keep shooting before the reunion. I wouldn't call it adversarial, and I'm not even being diplomatic. It really, because we were still talking and we were still, we were figuring it out. Raquel had stopped

filming with us and and we really and she was a question mark to go to the reunion and then a couple weeks before we started conversations with her team and obviously she ended up there um but yeah i think i think look i think tom was was spiraling and and i think for i think for the cast it gets really hard when they realize it's a situation they can't control yeah right so i think and and

that is by the way, why we keep filming at the reunion. Cause we're sort of like, Oh, okay. Now, you know, you're not going to get a moment where you guys can get your story straight or you want to blow off steam, you know, not happening. Like we're so. Alex, if I was in your position, I would do the exact same thing.

Yeah, definitely so.

I just want everybody away from me. But if I'm you, I mean, I would be on them like a tick on a dog. Every camera you could put one, I'd have it there. You couldn't go to the grocery store without somebody talking about it. I mean, it was everywhere. Jennifer and I were like, who cares? And then of course we got sucked in. But let me ask you this. How are you going to film with everybody moving forward? I mean, I'm assuming it's the same cast.

Yeah, I mean, it's a challenge. It's the great question and the one that we really can't answer until we start filming. I mean, we have certain thoughts. Like, look, this group is very connected to each other. As I keep pointing out, as of this date, Tom and Ariana still live in the same house together, right? And they are...

We'll see if that... Wait, hold up. They live together still? They live together. So they did that reunion and then they went back to the same house and they... You're telling me they live together?

Now, they've both been out of town a bunch. And so they both have sort of preceded several lives. But technically, they live together. I mean, that is the, you know, they share a domicile. So we'll cover that. We'll sort of see where we were. I did know, though, after the reunion, there was initially a thought that maybe we would just continue the next season right after. And we obviously needed a break. What are you going to film after that? Right, right. Let me ask you.

Swinging drinks at the restaurant is not going to be interesting. Are they all coming back? Raquel, Ariana and Tom Sandoval. I anticipate at this point that they will all be back. So I don't know definitively because we're, we're sort of, you know, we're figuring that out, but, um,

but I would, uh, it's strong. I strongly think that they will all be back. You know, we know we're documenting this friend group, right. And we, and the audience has an expectation that they will see the fallout of this. Right. And not just see sort of separate camps talking about it. Um,

or moving on into a different phase of life, but this is what they want to see. And so that's where I point out the fact that as of now, until a transaction takes place, Tom and Ariana share a house. So it would be, the truth is we wouldn't be capturing the accurate story, the real story, if we didn't cover that. So-

I think that'll all resolve. I mean, I don't, you said have the hard and fast answers, but in a lot of ways, this group is stuck with each other anyway. I mean, um, and, and they've been in each other's lives, you know, for a long time and, and they've shared a lot together. Um, you know, Tom's friend, his closest friend from St. Louis passed away recently and everyone in the group reached out to him. My understanding, um,

to express condolences. And so, you know, I thought that out of tragedy, that is, there was, you know, that was sort of a really human interaction. Um, and so that happened. So, um,

So I think, you know, all of that is to say that we'll figure it out. I don't have any answers now. And it isn't like we're, you know, at this point putting a schedule in front of anyone and saying, you know, hey, look, you know, it's Tom's dog's birthday. You all have to show up and it's a potluck. Right. I would think, I mean, if...

I took the job when we were on the show as a job and you have to be professional. I wanted to be on time and I wanted to, you know, do a good job. And if I were in their situation and you sign up after this huge fucking scandal that everybody's literally intervening, you know, like putting into their veins, smoking, snorting, they can't get enough of it.

You would say, if I sign up to do this again, I'm going to have to have interactions with all members of the cast. Otherwise, why would I sign up to do it? I mean, I think there has to be a concession from the three and from the others that might be pissed off at the three that we're signing up to do this. These are the this is what the show is about. So we have to play in the same sandbox together to make good television. Yeah.

Dial-up your day.

Are Tom and Raquel even still together? If this was March, it's June. Well, I think that's a, you know, I know that they're still talking. I don't, Raquel has been in, has been indisposed. Raquel is in a, is right now in a, in a mental health facility and is trying to sort of center herself. And so she's been in,

You know, she's been on her own, obviously. So she's been sort of isolated. So I can't speak to sort of where things are. Tom has been and he's been traveling a bunch with his band and and which is probably a good thing to, you know, in some ways not to be just cooped up at home, kind of, you know, trapped in this.

So I think that all remains to be seen. I mean, you know, this is an extreme version of two people who ended up having a relationship with each other and alienating a lot of people and are stuck with each other. Right. Because the reaction to it is so strong. So I think, you know, sort of remains to be seen what happens between them. So let me ask you this. So you have this expectation, right?

where you've had like this gangbuster season, it's gone viral, you probably brought on, you know, broken all ratings records, brought on a lot of new viewers.

And so next season, you know, it's like, is it going to be the limp dick season? So there have been rumors that you were going to bring back an, another like old retired Vanderpumper. And so you can tell us here first, Alex, you're good old gals from Oklahoma. Who's in the running from the castaways to come back on Vanderpumps. Well,

Well, I think it's likely that next season is the same principal cast that you've seen. And then there might be some appearances from, from authors, but we're not looking to, you know, just shake things up by throwing other people into the stew. So,

It's a rumor that makes a lot of sense because it's because that is like still a group of friends that are really connected to each other. So I get where it's coming from. But I also think that we want to see, you know, this group hash it out and we want to see this group figure it out. And as much as like, sure, look,

I always feel the pressure. I certainly do after this, because I, to your point, I think it would be, you know, easy for, for expectations not to be met. And, and, you know, I don't, I don't want that obviously, but, but we also don't feel like we need to do any stunts or, you know, stick a firecracker up the ass of the show. But I think we have a lot to work with. Right. You've got lots of firecrackers. Okay. Alex, now we're going to play a game with you called had it.

or hit it? Oh my God. Welcome to had it or hit it. I would hit it. I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day. All right. Had it or hit it. Tom Sandoval's mustache. It's bad. Great answer. Okay. Yeah.

Had it or hit it, reality stars that release music singles. Oh, hit it. I think it's so good. Are you kidding? Don't take that away from me. You know, when we were coming up with this list, I mean, Pumps and I, we should have released a single. Maybe our show would have been on TV longer. Right. You missed the boat. It's never too late. That's probably why we failed. We did not release a single and have like claw nails. Right.

We did not fail by the way. I actually, well, I would, I had it to that because we had a, it was a, it was a really fun show. Yeah. No, we loved it. And we're so happy we did it. We really are. Okay. Had it or hit it restraining orders. Oh my God. It had it. I, I, that was such a pain in the ass. And we had to literally count out a hundred yards, like come up with, you know, contingency plans upon contingency plans. Like I, I,

You hate it. So not into them. Yeah, no, I thought that whole thing. I was like, Oh, I'm having dealt with restraining order. I thought what a pain in the ass she needs. Did she end up dismissing it? I think I heard she, she did end up dismissing it, but it just was such a pain in the ass that day because, right.

didn't have 100 yards to spare on the stage right so we'd come up with separate trailers and he said do this do-si-do and it was so annoying yeah no i can only imagine okay had it or hit it andy cohen oh i love andy he's the best hit it andy is great and i will say too that i not only do i think that there is simply no one better at hosting these he he is a um you

You know, he's an EP on all the housewives. He's not an EP on Vanderpump or the other shows that I do. And what I like is he really loves the shows and loves the people in them. And and it's great. And, you know, he's been a personally a big supporter. So I love working with Andy. I, you know, grateful for him. I was very impressed with how he managed that.

And I was also impressed with Lisa Vanderpump. I thought they both were, you know, the adults at the table. I thought they handled all the hysteria and the personality disorders of the remaining people on the stage very well. And you could tell that both Lisa and Andy cared about the people. Right. And were like, hey, I know this other side to you. And I don't like it when you behave this way. And I thought...

for considering how messy that gets, they both were excellent. You could tell that the cast really appreciated and respects the two of them. You know, Lisa's placement was quite literally different than it had been in other Phantom Pumper Rules reunions. So usually she's seated next to Andy in sort of the host position, but we actually positioned her close to the, you know, the obviously side of the room that was, you know, in peril. And that was

So it needed to be rebalanced. I mean, because it, you know, the Toms and, you know, and Raquel needed all the help they could get. So Lisa was closer to them. And Lisa came out from the beginning. And obviously you saw some of the exchanges between her and the rest of the group where, you know, she tried to sort of provide a little bit of a counterbalance. Right. Well, right. And what I would say in response to that, having been on television, if you don't want to be exploited, simply don't sign up to be on reality. Don't do it. Right.

I mean, it's just, it's very simple. Like, you don't like drag queens? Don't go to a drag show. You don't want to get exploited? Don't sign up to be on a reality TV show. So any sort of narrative that victimizes, you know, the people that sign up for it and crucifies the production companies, that's kind of your job. I mean, like you found out about the fair, cameras are up immediately. Everybody would have been furious had you not done that. Right, exactly. Yeah. Okay, final one.

Have you had it or would you hit it? Scandival. Oh, I've had it. I've had it.

I'm so sick of it at this point. And, you know, I mean, that's where I, in the one hand, recognize what it's done for the show. Like, for example, you know, there is, look, there's a push for us to be nominated for an Emmy. And we wouldn't be and wouldn't be having, you know, this conversation without it. So, but it's time to move on. So I think.

I think that, you know, crazy, wild moment. I applaud production for springing into motion and, you know, handling it the way that they did. And same thing with the cast. They, you know, fully told the story. But guess what? It's time to turn the page. Move on down the road. Yeah. Okay, Alex, one thing. Fuck, Marry, Kill. Do you know how to play that? I don't fuck, marry, kill. Okay. Fuck, marry, kill. Raquel?

Ariana, la la. You have to do it. Don't be a pussy. That is so evil. I am a respected producer. That's right. Possibly play these games. And now you're in the gutter with us. Go on. Why did I agree to this? Why did you?

No, I agreed to it, by the way, because I love your show. And it's been so much fun to see the attention that it's garnered and obviously just how much fun that you guys have. So I miss you guys. Oh, we miss you, Alex. So are you going to dodge? Oh, I'm going to dodge. I would be a terrible cast member.

All right. Well, Alex Baskin, we cannot thank you enough. We love you. We loved working with you when we were on a television show with you and we love having you on. Excellent. Alex, you made us super cool with the, a lot of our listeners for our podcast are a lot younger than pumps. They're like, you know, 20 to 35, the major demographics. So this makes us super cool to know you, to have you programmed into our cell phones and

And, you know, we're hoping that this turns, you know, just we chart past all these Vanderpumpers in the podcast world. But see, there's a lot of pressure because if you don't. We'll blame you. Yeah. Yeah.

you've had it with me I get it that's right no Alex we love you thank you so much thanks Alex will do bye guys bye okay pumps Alex Baskin you know what he's amazing what Vanderpumps Vanderpump oh god no pumps Vanderpump no maybe I should go be on it Vanderpump you maybe you should be I'm a little old they have some lesbian arc stuff going on there that was the one thing that got me when I watched that reunion is how that Lala was like

yeah, and I ate her cookie while you watched. And I was like, wait, hold the phone. So I have to come to work the next day and ask the girls in the office. So was that Lala eating the vagine of Ariana, the girl that got cheated on? She was like, oh, yes. Yeah, there's just a lot of intermixing

over there on that show. Here's the deal. They're hot. They're all hot. They all work in a bar together, I think. Yeah. I don't care that they're all sleeping around, whatever. Everybody's, you know, totally taken with this. I hope that we gave...

All these, you know, filthy animals that follow Vanderpump rules religiously, like Madison that works for me, who just is, she cannot get enough of this. Right. Hopefully we've satiated their appetite. Yes. Richard, have you watched this Vanderpump rules stuff? Not at all. Does it make you want to? Not at all.

I really watch reality shows, so that sounded aggressively like drama drama. Oh, it is. Oh, it's hyper drama. It's aggressive drama. It might be too much for me. Yeah, it is aggressive drama. How many seasons is it? Like 10. 10, I think. Oh, wow, okay. Yeah, it's 10. There's a lot of shit going on over there. Yeah, clearly. Yeah.

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