Pumps' Algorithm Boyfriend with Ben Meiselas
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So are we supposed to start the podcast? Ready? One, two, three, hands. Right. Maybe that's the trick. Not looking at my hands. You go in blind. Go in blind. I mean, because right now all you have to do is just like, it's like a heat seeking missile. Right. To launch this sensation shit show of ours. That's right. Okay. So Pumps, what have you had it with? Okay. Here's what I've had it with. I've had it.

That my perfectly crafted, perfectly, every desire I have immediately comes up on my YouTube algorithm. I mean, it's just like all I have to do is turn it on. All my videos are in a line. They know exactly what I want. My oldest came home from his internship in Houston and he's been accessing it. And now it's all bullshit on my algorithm. It's totally fucked up. I can never find anything. I'm having to search like I'm a brand new user.

I hate it. I mean, I hate it. Well, I can share with our listener that Pumps likes to curate her news for her.

It is a for me news. I am down the rabbit hole. You want news that feeds your bias. As much as we all tease about other news networks being echo chambers, I prefer my very own curated echo chamber. So you have curated. The perfect echo.

Perfect algorithm. And your oldest son, who you're in the group me for. Yes. 23 years old, came home, hijacked your YouTube. Yes. And I'm telling you, botching somebody's algorithm, that is a dagger. That's like bullshit, you know? It's like going, you can make your own name. You can do it on yours. Luke has his own, my one that lives at home. No, he just hijacks mine.

Yeah. And so now what do you have like video game? I have video gaming. I have Barstool Sports. If you didn't know, they're moving. I mean, it's just shit I could not give a lesser fuck about bombarding me on a daily basis. Well, I am proud of you because when you came into the studio this morning, you came down to my office and we were sitting there and your 23 year old sent you a text saying,

That he's getting like his passport or his driver's license or something. Right. That he wanted, he thought you needed to be with him to sign a document.

And much to my surprise, you responded, you're 23 and hit send. I did. And you were so proud to hear it. I couldn't believe it. My jaw was on the floor. Because naturally you were looking at what I was texting. And then he sent another message. Yeah. And you doubled down on it. So basically this morning, you are a back-to-back champ. Back-to-back. Back-to-back champ in...

drawing boundaries and teaching autonomy. I mean, I'm little by little. It's baby steps. So what you need to do now is just make an announcement in your family group text. Do not fuck up my algorithm. But here's the deal with him. He'll do it on purpose. Like now that he knows how bad it bugs me.

he'll just continue to do it even from school. I have a feeling. Because there's love. What does he always tell you? There's nothing more I love than throwing pumps in a dump truck. Yeah, he does. Dumpster. He loves to torture you, but I have a solution. Lock him out of my account? Yes.

I don't even know how I would do that. We have a millennial that works for us. Oh, that's true. That is very tech savvy that can change your YouTube password and put a lock on your account. I know, but then I'd have 47 texts. What's the password? What's the password? Then you could just block him. He's 23. Yeah, he's 23. He did hijack when he was in use and he kept hijacking my Hulu account and I was pissed about that. I think the steps are like this. Drop out of the group me. Step one.

Lock YouTube. Lock Hulu. Yeah. I don't know. That's pretty daring. You were a back-to-back champ this morning. I know, but that just seems like a bridge too far. The lockout. I don't think I have the stuff for that. So you'll just...

Tolerate the algorithm. Well, I have no choice and he leaves tomorrow, so I'll survive. Okay. But I thought he would do it via remote. Well, I don't think he will because I think they can only get, he's on my next, you know, he can be anywhere and watch my Netflix. And I've told him, like I've laid down the fucking law on the Hulu account. Okay. All right. Listen, I mean, that's three boundaries in one day. Why are you laughing at me, Kyle? You're just on fire.

Pops takes her news digestion so seriously. We were recently on tour, listener.

And I watched the 24-hour news in our room. Pumps and I shared a room. It is complete intravenous. Yes. Into her veins. And every single journalist or contributor that comes on, she's like, oh, my God, I love Alex. I mean, he is just one of the best. And she talks about each journalist and contributor as though they are her best friend. Right. I do. Because I feel like we are friends. So let me tell you what I've had it with. What is that? It's called...

The anxious leg bounce. Oh, I'm kind of that. So here's my problem with it. If somebody does it and they're contained in their own personal space, it's fine. Right. It's kind of annoying to look at. But where it really becomes an I've had it situation is

is when your seat is somehow connected and or attached to their seat. Could not agree more. I'm talking about movie theaters. I'm talking about sporting events. I'm talking about airplanes. Right. And you've got an anxious leg thumper thumping that thumps about a dozen people around them. Right. With little or no awareness or give a fuck. Right.

That everybody's vibrating with them. Right. Everybody's ass is vibrating because they can't hold their legs still. This recently happened to me. And I was just like, why are we all vibrating? Because you're vibrating. So I'm a curious person. So I Googled it. And the situation with anxious leg bounce is people get anxiety because of this hormonal cortisone style buildup. Okay. Okay.

Because we're not exercising enough. Okay. Because our species has slowed down from an evolutionary standpoint. We're all sitting in front of computers, sitting watching TV, sitting, hopefully all of our listeners right now are walking. And so you have this anxiety and so your body is trying to release it and then it becomes a habit. Right.

Right. I think mine, I do a leg swing. I'm not a bouncer. I do this leg swing. Yeah. Which if your seat is connected to other people's seats. No, I wouldn't do it then.

No, I would not do it. What about like a pin clicker? No, I'm not a pin clicker. I'm not a chewer on something. It's sometimes people do these things that if they need to do it to self-soothe, whatever, I support it. But when you're vibrating or clicking and it goes and it carries over to the people around you, we need to have some sort of call out situation where you're not quite an aspect. You say, I don't want

I don't want to bounce right now. Right. Or are you aware that your bouncing of your leg is making my ass vibrate? And if so, do you have any inclination to stop? Right. Maybe that would be the way to handle it. Would you do that?

If somebody said that to me, I would really try not to do it. Let me propose a situation. Okay. Okay. You're on an airplane. Okay. Person sitting next to you is full-blown vibrating, like bouncing, anxiety bounce. And it's bouncing right next to you and your seat's shaking. Would you ask them to stop?

If it was driving me crazy, I absolutely would. Yes. I like to think that I would do that, but oftentimes I think I make a fatal error and I just sit there and in my mind, I just get madder and madder. Yes. Now, I think I would say...

Excuse me. I don't know if you're aware, but our seats are connected. And so your little bounce is causing me discomfort because it's bouncing my chair. I think I could do it real sweetly. I think you could too. I think you could too. I think I need to start speaking. Yeah, just saying, hey, do you mind not vibrating? Right. But if you're going to vibrate, please hand me some lube. Okay.

Listener, what do you do in that situation? Do you sit and just get irritated or do you speak out and ask the person not to do it? Or do you just full on rage? Like, hey, dude, quit bouncing, man. I'm over here vibrating like crazy. I think I've had a football game before. Like there was a toddler or something like jumping up and down. Toddler, I'm calling out immediately. Right. And I was just like, oh my gosh, every time she jumps, it like sends ricochet pain through my back. And her mom corralled her.

Yeah, that's good. Welcome to I've Had It, where we are beacons of light, beacons of life, hope and serenity. This is a place where we believe that being positive 24-7, 365 is not sustainable. And it's bad for you. It's bad for you. And you've got to get stuff off your chest. And this is your biweekly dump truck of grievances.

Let's check in with Kylie. Oh, wait, I'm Jennifer. Oh, I'm Angie. She's the star of our show, The Princess Diana Podcasting. Kylie? Yes, ma'am? What's going on? I've got a really good comment I'm dying to read you. Oh, let's hear it. It's on TikTok, and it's from someone named StephanieJC87. Okay. She wrote, how old are you gammies? Negative Nancy and Margaret Hamilton. Who's Margaret Hamilton?

Isn't she like a history figure? Is it like Alexander Hamilton's wife? No. That was Martha. Did you say Martha? No, it was Martha Washington. Okay. Who is that? I figured y'all would know. I figured it was someone older than me. Oh, fuck off, Kylie. Fuck you, Kyles. I can't believe that you're piling on with Stephanie. Margaret Hamilton. Do we know? She was an actress? I don't know. In 1902? Does that ring a bell? No, not at all. Those were your children, right? Fuck.

I've had it. I've had it with Kylie. That had to have been silent movies. So they weren't bitching out loud. So that's a false equivalency. Yeah, Stephanie, take that. Take that. Richard, how are you doing? I'm doing good. I'm sad that my kids are going back to school. Sad? See, I'm so happy. I'm sad. I always celebrated. I did too. I mean, Jennifer and I would be like, one more day, they go back to school. Yeah, especially the youngest one. We met his kindergarten teacher and I was just like...

Oh, kindergarten's a hard one for, yeah, it is a hard one. Don't leave me. That's sweet, Richard. I always celebrated when my children returned to school. I couldn't get them back in school quick enough. I know I needed, I needed for them to be away from me. I needed the absence to make the heart grow fonder. And I do specifically remember we would always be like, oh my gosh, it's so exciting. Like about two o'clock three or two 33. So excited to go pick him up.

And then before I left the parking lot, I would call you and be like, why were we so excited to pick them up again? Because I'm already furious.

Yeah, no, because the witching hour starts at from like three to five. Kids are impossible. Impossible. They're tired. They're hungry. They're assholes. It's just bad. Pumps, have you heard about this microdosing thing? I have heard a lot about it. It's really interesting. You know, I've heard a lot about it. And microdosing, what is it? It's that just right, like Goldilocks feeling. Like maybe after you exercise, like you feel totally like you're not too tired. You're not too this. You're not too that. Right.

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had it.

Okay, well today we have a guest that has been on Pumps' the very top of her list of dream guests. And here at I've Had It, Kylie and I want to do everything in our power to make the star of our show happy.

and fulfill her dreams of being the Princess Diana podcasting. And this guy is somebody who's in Pump's algorithm with whom she spends a significant amount of her day. I almost feel like we're boyfriend-girlfriend a little bit. Without further ado, let's welcome Ben Mycelis, the founder and one-third of the hit news organization, The Midas Touch.

Oh my gosh. Okay, Ben, I have to let you in on something. So in 2020, during the election, I discovered you guys on Instagram. And I was like, inject this shit into my veins immediately. These guys are going after it. I love it. This is the exact type of leadership we need right now. I can't get enough. I send it to pumps.

Ever since then, she is your biggest fan. She's madly in love with you. I created a monster. You have been her number one top dream guest to have on. I've had it.

I'm so excited. I mean, I was telling Jennifer, like, it's embarrassing because I feel like you're my boyfriend. Like, I spend more time with you than any other man on the planet. I notice when you get a haircut. I notice when you shave your beard. I mean, it's, I'm like a stalker. Thank God you have a public channel or I'd really be fucked. That's, that's, that's so good. But no, I appreciate it. And now all I see on my TikTok is either you two or Alabama Rush. Alabama Rush Girl. It's,

That's all I get. Well, tell our listener a little bit. We're diehard political junkies over here, but we acknowledge that a lot of people maybe have that as a small little segment of their life that they're able to turn off and turn on. Pumps and I are not like that. Pumps is even far worse. You have a group called the Midas Touch, which you founded with your brothers in 2020, correct? Yes.

Correct. And so me and my brothers, we're not really, we don't really have political backgrounds. I mean, I interned on Capitol Hill for a bit. And then I was like, I don't really want to go into politics. I went to law school, was a civil rights lawyer. And then in 2020, just saw...

everything that was happening with our country. And I just said, Hey, we got to get involved. But ultimately, what became clear is the most important thing that I thought was missing is actually a media network. And I've had it with cable news.

I thought that cable news was two different sides, both sides in the issues, people yelling at each other, and then they went to a commercial break. What really needs to happen is there needs to be a media network that does things differently and that changes the way cable news does things. And so it didn't exist, so we built it. And we created the Midas Touch Network right now that

You know, not only do we compete with the major media networks, but at least in digital spheres, I think we far exceed mostly every major network that's out there at this point when it comes to politics. My husband and I used to watch the 24-hour news cycle all the time. Now only Pumps does that. We both kind of got off of it. And my husband would get so mad. His name is Josh. And he would get so mad because they would have...

a person that was speaking about facts on one side and then a person who refuted facts on the other side and he would just I mean he would get so mad and then he would send out a mean tweet to like Marco Rubio and it would be like fuck you you're a liar and then like

And then like an hour later, he'd come back and he'd go, God, I tweeted little Marco and I probably shouldn't have. I told him to fuck off, but I was so mad that he was lying and the journalists let him lie. And now I've deleted the tweet. And so it was like always this kind of like spiral. And like he'd tweet Mitch McConnell if he was lying on TV.

But here's what I want our listener to be aware of. And it is when it's a false equivalency. When you have a scientist that is talking about climate change on one side and they have facts and 99% of the scientific community from all these different countries have all come to the same conclusion.

And then they commercial break. And then they come back and they have somebody that thinks the earth is 6,000 years old that works at the Creation Science Museum. And that's kind of what you're talking about with this both-side-ism. And the major news media does this and they serve it up to us as though, look at us, we're presenting both sides. And really all they're presenting is a false equivalency.

It's the biggest problem that I had where I said I need to build a network. And what I'm trying to do with the media network and where I think we've resonated with people is really championing normalcy. That's one thing I really do like about it is that you get the actual facts. It's not a lot of opinion. It's just here's what happens.

For example, all the indictments, like here's what the indictments say, because you really can get a completely different view if you're on Twitter of what the indictment actually says. So I do appreciate that. But I also one thing I was telling Jennifer is, first of all, when I started watching, I was like, of course, I Googled you.

And I was like, he's got to look younger. I mean, he's got to look younger than he actually is because he can't be this young because you did the Colin Kaepernick litigation. You sued the Fry Festival. I'm like, how old is this motherfucker? Fire. I always call it Fry, but it's fire. I mean, so how did you incorporate all this? Are you still working full time? At this point, I pretty much have.

moved away from the litigation practice. There's certain clients and people who I love to work with. I'm still business partners with Colin Kaepernick. I'm still business partners with someone named Akeem Aliyu, who's done incredible work fighting against racism in the sport of hockey. I sit on the board of a group called the Hockey Diversity Alliance.

And I'll be involved in certain civil rights cases, but building this media company has now become the full time job. It's become my life's work, but it is inextricably intertwined with being a civil rights lawyer, because I think if you go back, I was representing families in places like Bakersfield and Fresno who lost loved ones to police brutality.

And when someone loses a family member in a government related killing, it doesn't matter if you're a Democrat, if you're a Republican, you just want the answers. Right. You want the facts and you want accountability. And through that work, you know, I was able to get a kind of a

a multiplicity of viewpoints from the families, taking depositions of the police officers, meeting with government officials and ultimately and seeing activists on the ground and then just trying to get at the truth where there could be powerful interests trying to stop you from getting that. So then I thought more holistically about, well, what can I do to make the biggest difference with the platforms that I have?

I didn't expect it to be that Midas Touch to take off the way it did, but it did. And when I saw people out there saying this didn't exist before, like real fact-based, intelligent, compassionate news, it was like,

It shocked me that me and my two younger brothers, that that's an innovative concept that that even existed. But knowing that it did, I was like, no, we have to lean into this and we got to make this our life's mission. And so that's pretty much what I do. This is a full-time commitment for me.

What I like about what you all do is you attack because that is a core principle, whether we like it or not. Our politicians and political campaigns now, we are so shallow as a population that we have to be entertained. And I think that your videos, the way you just went after in a very aggressive way, you went after the danger that was Trumpism and the outrageous impact

hypocrisy of his supporters. We can't be silent because the pro-democracy coalition is the true silent majority. But we see historically and we see across the world situations where authoritarians usually represent about 20 to 25 percent of a virulent

radicalized population and they're relentless. Fascism is relentless over and over. Wherever you look, Marjorie Taylor Greene doesn't go away, right? Wherever you look, Jim Jordan's there with his sleeves rolled up being a freaking fascist weirdo. Wherever you look, they're everywhere. That's fascism because they want to wear you down so that finally the majority of the population goes, all right,

All right, all right, fine. I can't handle these people. Fine, I've had it.

Just do what you want to do. Leave me alone. The problem is they don't leave you alone. Then they go deeper and deeper and deeper until they're fully controlling you. That's the historical precedent. So if you've had it, you can't be exhausted. If you've had it, you have to push back against it and you have to take a stand, whatever it is that you're doing. Absolutely. And it's so admirable that you're doing that because obviously, I mean, you're a high powered dude.

You represented Colin Kaepernick. You did his deal with Nike. Okay, I do have a question about that. What's it like to sue the NFL? I mean, is it just a clusterfuck? Do they just paper you to death? They've got very intelligent lawyers over there, the best in the world. And, you know, I'm from a smaller, more boutique-style firm. Right. But, you know, I think...

you can have kind of asymmetrical litigation tactics that can be used against some of these bigger firms. Ultimately, when you're making an oral argument before a judge, they could be the biggest firm in the world. They could have an army of a million lawyers. But ultimately, when I'm before a judge or in this case, before an arbitrator, it's just me

And one other person. Right. So if I show up and I'm prepared and I do my best that day, it doesn't matter if he's got a million people. Granted, he could get better research and all of the stuff, but it's going to be a one-on-one competition once you're in the court. But that was always an honor, you know, representing Colin Kaepernick. And, you know, I didn't realize then the connectivity there, but right, one of the first people, private citizens who Donald Trump attacked

was Colin Kaepernick. Get that son of a bitch off the field, right? He did it in Huntsville, Alabama, one of the very first private citizens and the owners listened. Right. They listened to get the son of a bitch off the field. It was really the first test of can the government

where Donald Trump believes it's a quote unquote winning issue for him, attack a private citizen for protesting in the most peaceful of ways. Colin Kaepernick didn't take an American flag and attack the Capitol building. He didn't take an American flag and start attacking the referees. Some of the heinous conduct that we saw during the January 6th insurrection, Colin Kaepernick kept to himself.

And just during the during the Star Spangled Banner, just in his own mind, not telling anyone else to do it, just wanted to reflect on the fact that police brutality disproportionately impacts black and brown Americans. And he did quietly. There's no sign. There's no nothing just kept to himself. And, you know, since we've started the podcast, we are...

political beliefs and we don't believe them to be so much as political but I'm calling them that right now we believe that they're moral issues for us like supporting the LGBTQIA plus community supporting the black and brown community supporting the trans community and we've been very outspoken about that and I think a lot of people have been really butthurt and they'll say

I hate it when you guys stop, start talking politics on your podcast. And then our published publicist just sent us this article that somebody at the Federalist wrote a hit piece on us, which I considered a love letter. I mean, that they took the time and care to write. But what they write is these women are pandering to,

to a gay audience. And it's like, they project what they do, right? They have to pander to, you know, for money. We're not pandering to anybody we believe, you know, in our hearts, and because it's the morally right thing to do, that people can love who they want to love without government interference. And we stand up and we use our voices to stand up for that.

But they project this, the person who wrote the article, you could tell he liked us at first. And then we broke his heart when we came out with our liberalism. Right. And he could see it. He's a gay conservative. And he starts off like they were great. They were talking about their petty grievances.

And they just hate conservatives and their seething anger just comes gushing out. And especially that Welch, she blah, blah, blah. And I was just like, my heart was just all a flutter. And our publicist was like, God, I love this shit. It's so good.

But they dismiss you, like especially as women. They dismiss when we have an opinion that is ours and it is informed and it is educated and it's a gut feeling. They dismiss it as though, oh, they're pandering. Like they would never do that. These white women would never support black, brown, and gay people. They're doing that for many. And they project because that's what they're doing. It's gross. They try to diminish it. They attack.

They engage in stochastic terrorism. I can't tell you how frequently I get threats, how people who I know who are prominent in the pro-democracy community get threats or get swatted or all of those things that happen fairly frequently. And to me, this is why I don't refer to

the people on the right wing today, I just, I don't call them conservative. No, you're right. They're absolutely not. And I think that it is a misnomer to refer to this binary of liberal, progressive on the one hand, conservative on the other hand. You know, there is a MAGA movement out there that you can call it Trump MAGA, call it MAGA Republican. And there

their views to me when they want to dehumanize people, that is unacceptable. I want to live my life and treat all human beings with respect and

and with decency. And I am not waking up like these mega Republicans are. They wake up and they think about really every day they think about bathrooms. They think about which bathroom a trans person is going to use or not. Why are you thinking about that? Why do you care? I never see.

think about it. I never think about it. And here's the thing. I used to work at Orange Theory all the time and sometimes the women's restroom, there would be a line and I would look, nobody was looking. I'd go use the men's. Guess what happened, Ben? Fucking nothing. I went into the men's restroom, I peed, I washed my hands, fucking nothing happened to me.

And it's that simple, you know, and they have to be called out. You know, they want to have these debates about, you know, on trans issues. They want to have LGBTQ plus issue debates. And I go, if you want to have a debate,

about the very humanity of an individual. That's not a debate I am having with you. You treat human beings with respect. You treat human beings with compassion. Full stop. Not platforming it. No, it's awful. Okay, now it's time to play a game with you called Hat It or Hit It. So I'm going to list some things and you tell us if you'd had it or if you like it so much you'd hit it. Oh my God. Welcome to Hat It or Hit It. I would hit it. Hat It.

I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day. Okay. Had it or hit it music festivals? I've had it

I've had it. I don't do music festivals. I don't do big, I can't do big crowds. Um, so any time I'm shoulder to shoulder, I don't, I don't even, I love music, but I don't even really like going to concerts. Same. That's the kind of exact same way. I like the thought of going to a concert. I just don't get super excited about it because I know I'm going to have to deal with a lot of people waiting in lines. I'm going to have multiple. I've had it. It's,

A lot of stuff is going to irritate me. It's time away from my pets. It's just a big thing. I've kind of had it with music festivals too. Well, in the festivals, you're outside sweating your ass off and then they want you to pee in a porta potty. I would rather hold it and die of a urinary tract infection than go in a porta potty. I mean, it's just the grossest. I'm just out on those. Okay. Had it or hid it, the NFL.

Well, I've had it until they make sure that they do the right thing and allow Colin Kaepernick an opportunity to play. I've had it with the NFL. I watched college football, although I'm getting close to having it with college football as well, but I'm still a big college football fan. But with the NFL, yeah.

specifically as it relates to Colin Kaepernick, if you believe that you're a meritocracy, I still don't understand why you wouldn't even allow all Collins. Collins never made a demand for any amount of money. He's like, hey,

Let me do a tryout with other team members so people can see that I am competitive and that I could still be a starting QB. And the fact that people are, you know, that the ownership group there doesn't allow him to even compete, I've had it until they proved to me they're a true meritocracy. Here's my thing with these sports corporations like the NFL or the NBA or college sports. You have...

a place, a space where the majority of the employees are African American. That is a space in this industry where the black community is not the minority or black and brown people are not the minority. They're the majority. And when you have voices within that group that say, this is what's happening in our communities,

And it's been going on for a long time and it's kind of baked into the system. And now that we're here, we want to spread some of this information with everybody and bring people to our side to help heal, prevent and set up organizations that can help these communities prosper better.

And then they just, when they do that, then it's like they get demeaned and diminished. And it's like the whole thing, what that, what was that Ingram, Laura Ingram, what she said to LeBron James, like shut up and dribble. And I just think that's so amazing.

Right.

And I just think that when you have an institution or a corporation where the majority of the employees – I think the NBA did a good job supporting all of the people during the BLM. But the NFL, it just seems like – Well, they're just a bunch of 32 white guys. I think they have one non-white person, billionaires that have inherited it from their parents. You know what I mean? Like they're totally insulated from the real world.

And it's very frequently about control and it's always done in a performative way. The ownership wants to do it. Hey, we can talk about diversity, but it's got to be through our lens of diversity as white owners. And the moment someone like Colin Kaepernick goes, but we need to do it authentically to actually really make a difference and make an impact. And, you

you know how the owners say, we want to have tough conversations. We won't, you don't want to have because the moment the tough conversations happen, that's when the ownership say, we're not dealing, get that person out. And there, there are tough conversations in intelligent societies that need to be have so that we could, uh,

arrive at solutions again going back to the theme of everything we've talked about so far in a data driven very specific way and it may make the ownership of the nfl feel uncomfortable

Right. To have these conversations. But I promise you that their uncomfortability having a conversation pales in comparison to what people in black and brown communities go through in a day. No question. That they are simply just trying to talk about. Right. That's what, and so that's why I've had it with the NFL and I still hit it with college football, although-

I find myself increasingly as I'm watching it, thinking to myself,

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Okay, had it or hit it, electoral college? I've had it with it as a concept. It needs to be, to the extent it exists, it needs to be hit the right way and not overthrown by MAGA Republicans. But if you look through all of the past elections too, when going back to what I said about referendums and how the American people support

pro-democracy issues without an electoral college, there would not even be any concern about can Trump or Trump-like people in the future. The American people stand strongly on the side of rejecting that by millions and millions of votes, 8 million in the last election. This one, I think clearly it would be more...

more than 10 million, 11 million people will vote for, I think, a Biden than a Trump. But we have to now look at states like, all right, what's Ohio going to do? What's Wisconsin going to do? What's the Wisconsin Supreme Court going to do? And we're learning that we have to now care about, wait a minute. So you're telling me that the Republican House in Wisconsin is looking to impeach

the new Supreme Court Justice Janet Protasewicz, who was just elected by the people. And that has an impact because they want to put forward a gerrymandering scheme that ultimately can skew elections. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Can we just have the people vote? And can the people pick a winner? If the Republicans lost, won the majority, the popular vote, and lost the electoral college like we did,

And they did this to FDR. That's why there's term limits now. They would have already fixed it. And this is my problem sometimes with the Democrats.

You need we need to get rid of it because we live in Oklahoma City. And let me tell you what happens when you have a Republican supermajority for multiple decades. So this is what I say to all of my friends here. They're like, well, no, I'm a Republican. I just like Republican policies. And I'm like, if the policies are so great for 20 to 30 years, we've had Republican governors, Republican Senate, Republican House of Representatives.

All of these policies have us ranked 49th in education. We are 45 to 50 in all of the places that don't matter. By their logic, if these policies are so rock solid, Oklahoma would be a top 10 state. And our governor often says, Kevin Stitt, he says, we're going to be a top 10 state. And I'm like, well, Buck, you're in your second term now. And last time I checked, we're still about 48th in education and we have a nut number.

superintendent of school who is just a complete embarrassment. And it's these policies, you can look no further than the deep south where these super majorities have taken place and this conservatism. And now I'm just talking about conservatism, not just the fascism. These policies don't bode well over time when they have super majorities. You see

the pay gap, you know, greatly increase. You see poverty increase. You see more incarcerations. You see more capitalism on speed. And people get hurt. And you see these economies, you know, in blue states that do far better. And they're ranked far higher in education. So I think you have to look no further to the failure of conservative policies than red states that have held super majorities. Okay, here's our last one.

Had it or hid it, four seasons, total landscaping. Okay. I have...

had it with that type of politics, but I will hit it with the fact that Four Seasons Landscapes did a great job, I think, capitalizing on the small amount of fame that they received there. But if anything, to me, demonstrates where the Republican Party has moved its Four Seasons Landscape in that direction.

And that Giuliani with the beauty dripping down his face there with like Jenna Ellis, who I think he was farting on her. He farted COVID on Jenna Ellis. She got, it's just a true story. No, I wondered, is that true?

The farting from the COVID? Yeah. We just got COVID from the farting? COVID via fart. I got COVID the next day and I Googled the science and that it is possible to get COVID. So anyway, you got Giuliani farting on Janet Ellis, lying about election results at the wrong four seasons. Yeah.

That is the, you know, and that's not normal. And so I've had it with that behavior. I've had it with calling that conservative. I've had it with that. I agree with you. I should have had it. I should have had it. But I hit that shit. I mean, I stayed up way past my bedtime, deep diving on Twitter. I hit the shit out of that bin. I couldn't get enough of it. I couldn't quit talking about it. I read every tweet. I consumed a million.

as much of it as possible. I thought it was one of the best things that happened in that election cycle, which tells you how vapid and shallow I am. I mean, Pumps and I would call her and we would do dramatic readings of tweets. I could not get enough of it.

No, it was so good. I think mine might have been the hair dye. Yeah. But I did. I mean, the total landscaping is just what a fucked up deal. Why did nobody check? Doesn't he have an assistant? Like, how do you fuck up that bad? Well, I mean, look, I mean, that's just every day. Yeah. Yeah. That's just another Tuesday in the Trump campaign, you know?

Well, Ben, this has been Pumps' dream come true. I mean, I'm so happy. I'm going to go home tonight. I'm going to watch it and be like, I talked to him today. Yeah, she has been telling everybody because she has you on all the time. He's going to be on the podcast. Yeah, my daughter finally said, you've told me that four times. I know. And I was like, okay, well, you're not impressed, apparently. So you can just know that whenever, you know, things are low or you're having a bad day,

that pumps is in a monogamous news relationship with you on her algorithm. She notices when your hair's cut, when you've shaved, she has got eagle eye vision on you, Ben. I mean, she is locked and loaded. Well, we, we are on the algorithm together. Those that Alabama rush outfit of the day.

you know, is it has fully invaded. So it's you outfit of the day and an occasional other political stuff. So we're in it together. And I really look, I really love all of the work that you two are doing. I really do.

outside of the invite. I get it on my algorithm all the time on TikTok. And I loved what you built and continue to build. And any time that we could use our platforms to spread positivity and compassion and intelligence and do it in a fun way, you know, is is something that is truly appreciated. And your work is truly appreciated by this country and the world.

Well, thank you, Ben. Same back at you. Thank you, Ben. Yes, very much. And we will see you on the algorithm. See you on the algorithm. Our listeners can find you at Midas Touch. That's right. I will see you. You know, the shoes are Hoka. The ring is Amazon. Bye, Ben. Thank you so much. Thank you. Bye.

Are you the happiest woman on the planet? I mean, I didn't think I could like him anymore. Genuinely didn't think I could like him anymore, but I do. I mean, he is lovely. So smart. I mean, your boyfriend was on your podcast. Oh my gosh. In the same clothes I saw him in before I came here with his hot take. Of course, you noticed that he wore his outfit of the day.

Of course, I already knew what the outfit of the day was. Right. Because he's your boyfriend. He's your algorithm boyfriend. And you know what? I think I'd be better at that than a normal relationship. I think you're really, I think that you and Ben are a great couple. I'm really good at it. And I have great taste in algorithm boyfriends. You do have good taste in algorithm boyfriends. I mean, it's just baby steps forward in like a real person. So how many times is his show on?

He does hot takes like throughout the day, like if something breaks or whatever. And then do you get an alert? Of course I get an alert. Yay. All right. I mean, obviously. And then you tune in immediately. Tune in immediately if I'm home or not. Sometimes I just save them up. I mean, I was, I listen to the podcast if I walk because he's got like three different podcasts that he does. But you save them up so that you can have a bender? Yeah, I'll have a bender when I walk. With your boyfriend, Ben? With my boyfriend, Ben. Yeah. I mean.

He's just so smart. He's a 10 out of 10 person. And I do feel encouraged that my algorithm boyfriend taste is good. This is a good sign. This is a good sign. This is a good sign. Right. I know. You picked a, for your algorithm boyfriend, you picked a very smart. Very smart. Very successful. Well spoken.

compassionate attorney that has a news network right that is fighting fascism yes that is standing up for democracy and he is your very own boyfriend algorithm boyfriend your very own algorithm boyfriend right so i mean this is a good sign i really do feel good about this i feel really really good about this because you have had a very well documented shit show

Horrible picker. Horrible. I mean, I might have the worst picker in the whole world. Ben marks the turnaround. Yes. This guy, I mean, a lot of the shit that he said, I'm like, this guy is so smart. Yeah. No, I really think like algorithm boyfriend, A plus. Who knows? A real boyfriend might not be a serial killer.

Possibly. I mean, we're not going to say that yet. We're not just. Right. Right. I mean, you know. Baby steps. Right. Right. And then it could also be like, do you make these people crazy? If Ben wasn't your algorithm boyfriend, are you driving him to be a serial killer? That's open for discussion. For sure. You know, because I can talk about Josh going to rehab five times. Did I send him into orbit? I mean.

Of course not, listener. Of course not. But yeah, no. Of course not, listener. I didn't. Anyway, that was so fun. And I'm so happy that we... Look at how happy Princess Diana is. You would think I just got a facial. She is so happy. I love it. So happy.

It was great to have him on. It was fantastic. Kylie, did you enjoy it? I did. I learned a lot. Don't you feel like he's so smart? It's ridiculous. Absolutely. Yeah, I did too. Richard, did you like him? Yes, I did. And then to add to the whole smart thing, I looked up who Margaret Hamilton is. Oh, good. And I want to say, I think the commenter was trying to tell you guys, you guys are like intelligent because she was like the director of software engineering at MIT and

And she was also like the first programmer at NASA for their Apollo program. She's spot on. Richard, thank you for confirming what we always knew. She thought she was insulting us, but in fact, she was just telling us how smart we are. I appreciate it. Right. Look.

Look, we're smart. It's a Freudian slip. It's a Freudian. We're smart. You have increased your ability to pick men because your algorithm boyfriend is 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10. And so, I mean, Ben, Midas Touch, love him. Follow him.

So great. Yep. So great. We will. Pumps and Ben sitting in an algorithm tree. K I S S I N G. Georgia rush videos or Alabama rush. Alabama rush. Right. That's hilarious. When he said that, I was like, I need to get right on that.

See, y'all are algorithm soulmates. Oh my gosh. That's exciting. Totally. Totally. So exciting. All right, listener, please go to Patreon because our documentary club is in full swing. We have hard hitting analysis each and every Wednesday on Patreon ad free.

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