My Crazy Uncle with Mary Trump
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You're good about 98% of the time. Nobody's 100% all the time. No, nobody is. I wish I was. I know. I know. You are 6'3 and 215 pounds, though. Absolutely. Well, what have you had it with?

What I've had it with is, you know, I'm a glutton when it comes to consuming football. Yes. And what I have found that I have fucking had it with when I watch football is that these trainers hold the Gatorade bottle squirter and squirt it into the mouths of the athletes so that they don't have to hold the bottle themselves. And in my mind, I'm thinking, wow.

These guys bench press at least 350 pounds and they can't hold a fucking water bottle. I mean, I've had it with that. Why can't grown men hold their own drinks? It's ridiculous. It's the height of entitlement. All right. I have a couple things here. Number one, your life must be fucking A++.

If this is your grievance. I've had it for years, but now I just have a vehicle to express my had it. Every year, it reminds me all over again how idiotic that is. So, I mean, I'm mystified that such a thing has gotten in your craw so severely. For years. Okay, that's number one. Number two, I thought you were going to say when the athletes score a touchdown and they pump their chest and then look up.

Because that's always bothered me. It's too much. I mean, act like you've been there before. My thing is, like, are we thinking if you believe in a higher power, that the higher power prefers one team and certain athletes over the others? I don't know if it's that or just I'm so fucking cool. Look at me. That's what I get it.

So it sounds like you've kind of had it with some of these football players. I've just had it. It's not just one. If it were just one, I could do it. But it is across the board, NFL and college. But I don't know that it's the football players' fault.

Well, it's just that they titty baby them to death. That's what we're getting at is the titty baby. The titty baby. And I've had it with titty babies that are completely capable of holding their own water. Their bottle? Their bottle. And what irritates me, and it's not always the case, but I would say the majority of the time, it's a female squirting the water into their mouth. So that bugs me. Really? Like a female trainer. Yes.

Not always, but majority. You do watch a lot of football. I've seen that before. I don't watch that much football. And I watch tennis and they hold their own water bottles. I know, they hold their own water bottle.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's going on with the titty babies. I mean, they tackle each other. They tackle each other. They lift a gazillion pounds of weights. They deadlift. They do all that, but they cannot hold a 40-ounce water bottle to squirt it in their mouth. I'm just going to say I'm kind of neutral on this. I don't really give a shit. You don't think it just looks ridiculous?

I can't get into football because you can't see their facial expression. Right. They have on these helmets and these pads and you, you can sense when they do a dance or something at the end zone that they're excited about it. Right. But beyond that, it's, I've had a hard time emotionally attaching myself.

to football because you cannot see their facial expression. But I know what they look like. I can tell by their body language they're excited. So I don't have a problem with that at all. Okay. Let me tell you one thing, though, you're going to crack up.

So I, oldest, youngest, youngest had a sporting event on Friday, first away football game. So my mom picks me up and we're riding out to this little town outside of Oklahoma City. She doesn't say, as I get in the car, she doesn't say, hi, how are you? How was your day? She just looks at me and goes, I hate how big you've got your lips. It looks like a little bitty monkey's ass. Yeah.

Either that or a possum's ass. She didn't say ass, of course. She said butt. And I was just like, well, I'm sorry to hear that because I really like them. But I just thought that was classic. Oh, so she's trolling you for your lip injections. Yes, and I love my lip injections. I know you do. I do love them. I know you do. You love a big duck lip. These are not duck lips. They were right after you had them done. Because they were swollen. They have toned down. I think they look good. Or you could just call me monkey lips.

Monkey's ass lips. Monkey's ass lips. I like them. Yeah. So I thought that was hilarious. So let me tell you what I've had it with. Okay. I have had it with a few comments that we get on social media. I'm going to read you a couple. Okay. Okay. Here's one from Julie. Julie says, y'all are just getting too political. Just do your funny stuff, please. And here's another one from GreenEyes433. Okay.

I'm deleting you guys. Just way too liberal. I just want to hear your funny shit. I don't want to hear your politics. Done. So I think here's what we're going to do, listener. What we'll do is completely revamp the podcast for Julie and Green Eyes. Absolutely. And curate it to their sensibilities. Because I didn't realize that we were doing the podcast...

for these few white snowflake women that cannot tolerate feeling uncomfortable at all. And so, I mean, I just think, number one, how incredibly narcissistic that you go on to somebody's podcast page

You're in my photograph. Right. And her name. I've had it with Jennifer Welch and Angie Pump Sullivan. And on that podcast, we are grown-ass women and we have our very own opinions. Right. And we get to express them. But Julie and Green Eyes. They don't believe it. They don't want us to do it.

Unless they're probably their politics. Correct. Then they wouldn't be so butthurt about it. Sure. They probably wouldn't even notice. But here's what I want to tell Julian Green Eyes is...

That is some white woman shit that you cannot talk about anything uncomfortable. And let me tell you, Julie and Green Eyes, as grown ass women, we live in abortion ban America. Yep. We live in the state of Oklahoma where women have lost reproductive rights and privacy. And so it would be remiss. I agree. And immoral on our part.

not to discuss it. And so I just think there are so many other podcasts for Julie and Green Eyes instead of trying to get too stubborn.

middle-aged bat shit crazy women to make the podcast you want us to make. Maybe Julie and Green Eyes could make their own podcast. They could team up and make their own podcast and then they would never have to think about us again. Think about, could you imagine like watching somebody's opinion podcast or listening to it and then going to their page and telling them, you need to curate this for me. Julie.

Just do your pony tricks and be funny. Right. All of your other opinions don't matter. And I've had it with these women. Quit hate listening. Get off our fucking pages. Pack your shit and get the fuck out because we are not changing. I don't know how many times we have to go over this. This is like...

Like we double down, triple down, quadruple down. We're on like attempt number 20 to tell you people this is not performative. Right. This is this is something that we were advised not to do. Not to do. Don't talk about politics on your podcast. They told us you don't want to offend people. And we thought, fuck it. Pumps is super old. I'm approaching midlife.

Why? Why not? And so this is something that we believe in and something that we stand for. And there's these are peppered all through. And it's just like and then if you go click on their names and you go to following, they follow all the Trumpers. Right. Laura, Eric, Ivanka, Jared, all of them. They followed the whole kit and caboodle. You know, I.

I hate to say this, but I don't even want to be on that list. Like if that's who they're following, please take me off. Stop following me. Don't contaminate our brand. Do not contaminate us with that. No, thank you. If you follow any DJ, please block us. Yes, immediately block us. Block us immediately. Yeah, go over and listen to Ben Shapiro. Yep.

Yep. Just go just go ride that boy all day long. Right. But we don't want you. It embarrasses us that we would be in the same following list. We don't want that kind of company. And, you know, the more y'all do this, just the more political we're going to get because we're old and fucking crazy. We're rebels. That's right. That's right. Welcome to I've had it.

I'm Angie. Oh, I forgot to say my name. I'm Jennifer. Hi, Jennifer. Hi, Pumps. Princess Diana. Kylie, how are you? I'm good. Do you have anything to share with us? I do. I have another comment right up that alley if you want some more. Oh, good. Yeah, yeah. Let's beat that horse. This one's actually a review they decided to leave. Okay. Her name is Belly Girl. One star and the title is insulting. Okay.

Four minutes into the podcast episode, and they're clearly anti a particular political community, speaks volumes.

I hope so. She's spot on. I hope it does. She's smart. You know what? The deduction skills on that one-star review are five-star. That's right. She fucking cracked the case in four minutes. Good for her. And was so butthurt, she had to go leave a one-star review, and that review I wholly support. 100%. What was her name? Belly dancer? Belly girl. Belly girl. Belly girl. Yeah. We oppose your political movement. We oppose fascism.

Please block us also. Yes, block us immediately. Belly girl. I've got one more that hates you just because they hate you, not because you're political. This person, LM123 underscore two wrote, these two women are so bitter. It's painful that they are on my feed when I don't even follow them. I'm not really going to argue with that. There's a lot of truth. A lot of truth to that. Yeah, I heard somebody wrote somewhere like,

You guys just, if it's something that you don't do, then y'all, you know, are opposed to it. And I'm like, yeah, pretty much. Right. Spot on. Yeah. Okay. Pumps, lugs, our own water bottle around. Therefore, football players, fuck off. Drink it. That's right. If I'm carrying my Stanley and my Simply Modern, where the fuck are they with theirs? Well, on brand today with all of this haterade that we get served is, I mean, this is a fantastic guest.

And everybody's got a crazy fucking uncle, right, Pumps? Everybody has one. Kylie, you got crazy family members? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Everybody's got crazy uncles, crazy aunts. But there is one woman that has the craziest uncle.

Fucking uncle on the whole globe. I mean, out of 8 billion people, she wins. Winner, winner, chicken dinner. The craziest uncle award goes to our next guest.

And our next guest listener is Mary Trump. She is the author of Too Much and Never Enough, How My Family Created the World's Most Dangerous Man. And her podcast is called The Mary Trump Show with the Nerd Avengers. So let's welcome to I've Had It, Mary Trump.

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Mary Trump, welcome to I've Had It. You have two fans. Big fans. And I think I mentioned to you via email, my mother is a huge fan of yours, has read your books. She prepared a list of questions for us. She studied psychology when I was in middle school, went back to college. So your slant on all of the political stuff that's going on with

rooting it back into psychology is incredibly interesting, especially with your bird's eye view from, you know, so many decades. You know, I really appreciate

the appreciation of the psychology because, you know, particularly with my first book, I felt like if I didn't nail the psychology in a way that had a lot of explanatory power for people who maybe weren't so familiar with the terminology, I would have failed. So it makes me very happy when especially people who have a background in psychology feel like I got it right.

We don't have psychology degrees, but we have been in so much psychoanalysts and therapy that we feel like we're psychologists.

Jennifer even plays one on the podcast sometimes. I play a psychologist slash psychoanalyst on this podcast. I've had it with the caveat to the listener that I'm not a licensed psychologist. However, I've had, you know, years and years and years of therapy. So I feel like I am one. But Mary, we want to ask you today, what have you had it with? Where to start? I think my answer changes quickly.

every time I look at the news. But today, I read a poll or I read an article about a poll showing that Donald and Biden are neck and neck. And I know it's early days. I know that that doesn't necessarily mean anything. But to me, that is a sign of how far we've fallen. You know, you hear about Biden's age.

Well, Biden's old. OK, well, Donald is a racist, homophobic, anti-American traitor who tried to steal election and, by the way, is also old. Right. And charged with 91 felonies. Right.

Yeah, I know. I see that didn't even make my list. Right. I mean, I agree with you. It's really alarming. We live in a red state. We live in Oklahoma City. But in the city, it's purple. So I don't really see like this overt Trumpism. But if you get a little bit outside and into the suburbs, I'm like,

Oh, shit. There they are. And they're for real. Because if you live in an urban area, you feel like, oh, okay, yeah, America's good. Everybody's normal. I'm around as homophobic. I'm around as a racist. This is good. We all seem to be fighting the good fight. And then you just get a little bit outside of...

urban areas and it's jaw-dropping what's going on and then all of those areas add up to be a number that is equal to the populated areas and it's terrifying because we live in a state we live in abortion ban America so we live in a state where these policies and those Supreme Court justices are impacting women in our state and

There has been a backlash. Our most recent gubernatorial race, a lot of women that I was for sure were Republicans. All of a sudden they're out of the closet. No, we're not. We oppose Trump. We oppose the Supreme Court. And they're getting louder and organizing in red states. So I think that that's going to be really helpful and an interesting component. But what we were talking about before you came on here was,

was everybody has a crazy uncle and you fucking win, Mary. That is a lottery I would have been more than happy to lose. But...

Yeah. And actually, just a quick funny story. During a debate, I don't remember which one it was. It may have been the debate with President Biden before the 2020 election. One of the moderators in response to some idiotic thing Donald said was, you know, come on, you're not somebody's crazy uncle. And all I tweeted, I tweeted, actually, dot, dot, dot.

None of my tweets has ever performed better. Yeah, he's out of his mind. Not that that should let him off the hook for anything. But it seems like we all do have at least one of those in our family. And it's really taking a toll, hasn't it? It absolutely has. I was interested in. OK, so I've been a diehard of the Mary Trump show since the jump.

And one question, I always listen to it on my walks. And so I'm walking and I'm thinking, this was before we even had a podcast. I was like, if I had one question for Mary Trump, it would be, does he believe the lies that he tells? Like when he lays his head on the pillow at night, has he convinced himself that the election was stolen from him? Or does he know it's bullshit when he says it? Well, shockingly, the answer is both. Yeah.

The main thing to know about Donald, and I'm sure you have both sussed this out, is that he believes he deserves everything. He deserves to win. He deserves to be treated better than everybody else. He deserves all of the money, etc. And that means that.

he'll win, he'll take the win no matter what. In other words, if he can only win by lying, cheating and stealing, that's okay because he deserves it. Right. So initially, he totally knows it's bullshit. But he kind of gaslights himself over time. And that's because the alternative is conceding that he's a loser somehow.

which is the worst thing you could be in my family. So in order to protect his very fragile ego,

he actually buys so thoroughly into the lie that he does believe it on some level, which is why he can be convincing to people who are willing to believe him in the first place. Like, the rest of us can tell when he's lying and we're not never going to buy it. But the people at his rallies are going to believe anything he says. So if he can inject the lie with even a little bit of authenticity,

He'll do it. So, you know, a lot of this is operating on the unconscious level. But the truth of the matter is, he both knows and doesn't allow himself to know, which is kind of confusing to to him of all more than anybody else.

So I have a question. So we live in what would be considered the Bible Belt. And I don't know that many Trump supporters, but the ones that I have met and encountered are diehard evangelicals. OK, and that seems to go hand in hand, the punitive nature of evangelicalism, where it's

a punitive religion. If you don't do this, you're going to burn forever. It really seems to set the psychological soil for an authoritarian like Donald Trump, who also his politics are very punitive. And that's the link that I have. But here's what I want to know. Is he even religious? No. No.

I don't mean to laugh. I mean, you would think he is because, you know, I don't think he is. I mean, I don't I don't get that vibe from him. I think it's such bullshit that he panders. My mother was she's a diehard liberal. And she was so relieved when all the evangelicals came out and started supporting him because she said, finally, they are exposing themselves for the hypocrites that I always knew that they were.

And so it was a relief to her because, you know, here he is, the porn star, the Playboy Benny, you know, the racism, all this stuff is not very Jesus-y, if you will. And so then when I see all of these just diehard evangelicals that are also equal parts diehard Trumpers, I'm like, I don't even think this guy's a Christian at all. Yeah. And it's...

And I don't care. I mean, one of the biggest problems we're facing right now is the erosion between church and state. Totally agree. He doesn't believe in God. And again, I don't care about that either. But you said it exactly right. The problem is that he panders and lies to those people on the religious right, mostly white evangelicals. And they don't.

have so much power in politics in this country that that's the danger. I mean, we've seen this shift, like the white evangelicals are complaining that, you know, that the teachings of Jesus are

are too soft turning away from them, which should tell you everything you need to know about what's happening in the white evangelical community. But I mean, we don't really need to look at it further than the fact that they have chosen Donald Trump of all people, right? Be their patron.

patron saint, if you will. Right. That's a question I don't get. How do they reconcile this man that grabs women by the privates, who cheats on his wives with zero guilt about it, who rapes women, who does all of these things? How do they reconcile that with

the evangelical side of the purity culture and all the things that they say are so important to them. All religions have very wily ways of getting what they want, by which I mean there's always...

an explanation God works in mysterious ways right or God has chosen this imperfect vessel to test us that's the one that gets me uh there are always ways to make sure that the religious view is Preferenced no matter how hypocritical it might seem so Donald is their imperfect vessel and

I guess they're also, and the, you know, the unspoken part is that they, he represents the,

Their desire to be cruel, their desire to trample on people less fortunate, their desire to be supreme over other races, over other religions, what have you. It's really kind of terrifying. It is. It's so counterintuitive, the whole thing to me. OK, another I saw you in an interview because I'm very good at my algorithm and getting all your most recent interviews immediately. And.

And one that you gave, and it's been a couple of years now, you said the child that flips on him first will be Ivanka. And I'm like, what's this? I mean, why her? Where do you come from that? I mean, how do you get there? Well, she's the most calculating of them.

She's smarter than her. And I'm only going to talk about the three oldest because the rest of them aren't really relevant. She's smarter than her two brothers, which isn't really saying much of anything at all. And it's not that she's more transactional because they're all transactional. Every single relationship in my family is transactional. Like if Donald felt that it would do him any good, he'd throw Ivanka under the bus. But, you know,

that won't get him anywhere. So the reason I think she will is because she understands that

she has more to gain by separating herself from him than sticking with him. She actually is a wealthy woman separate from him because she's married to a wealthy guy who's been made more wealthy by Saudi Arabian blood money. She doesn't need daddy to keep her, to keep her. Whereas her brothers are totally dependent on,

on their father for their wealth with Donnie in particular like they their identity is entirely wrapped up in Donald's political and business life at this point total enmeshment yeah totally that's the perfect word right that's not at all true uh for his older daughter so for the first

three years of his presidency, I thought he was drunk. I thought all these tweets and I thought they were, he was drunk texting. And I kept telling Jennifer, his aides need to take his phone after he starts drinking. And she's like, no, he is a known teetotaler. He does not touch the shit. It's just mental illness. And I was like, you cannot be that fucked up and put that kind of shit on Twitter as the president of the United States. I mean, it just can't happen sober.

So then about a year ago, I hear all about this Adderall thing. And I'm like, kind of don't believe it because he doesn't look like somebody who takes a lot of Adderall. But I'm like, I'm dying to validate my assumption that he's on drugs when he's doing those tweets. So does he really not drink ever?

I know. I mean, I never knew him to drink. But then again, I'm his niece. It's not like I was you know, we were going clubbing together. Thank God. So, you know, I don't have any more insight into that than anybody else. What I think is much more disturbing that he's doing these things sober. 100 percent true. That is true.

And I think one explanation for this is that he has no impulse control or sorry, his impulse control, his ability to have impulse control has eroded over the years. And we can see that if you if you look at a deposition that he did 20, 30 years ago versus one now, it's quite remarkable how incapable he is of keeping its mouth shut when he should. He's only he only gets rewarded for these behaviors. Yeah.

i mean i'm not saying they're all always voluntary and i'm not saying he always has control over them but he wouldn't continue to do them to the same degree if he were somehow getting punished

People on that side like him more. His base likes him more, supports him harder, if that's even possible, worships him to a greater degree since the 91 charges and for indictment. Pumps, I think it's time for you to just go ahead and take another victory lap because of all of these world-class bowel movements you've been having ever since you've started taking Just Thrive probiotics.

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I think in many ways, mainstream media enabled him for sure throughout 2016. I think that it was ambitious as a nation to think that we were going to go back to back first black president, then female president. And I'll tell you something that I found very interesting. So during the primaries of the 2016 race.

When Trump was just in the primary and he was kind of beaten up on everybody, Lion Ted, Little Marco, which I kind of enjoyed a little bit of that in the beginning as a diehard liberal. I'm like, oh, good. He's kind of calling out those guys. Nobody ever thought he was going to get the nomination. But I was with some acquaintances there.

And they said, yeah, we're going to watch the Republican debates tonight. And they're diehard Republicans. And I said, you don't like Trump, do you? And these would be like maybe more Reagan style Republicans, John McCain Republicans. And they said, oh, no, we don't like Trump. He's he's terrible. And I'm like, oh, good. I mean, you know, he's nobody can take him seriously.

And this is what she said. And this is what I think happened, how we got this many million more votes. She said to me something very telling. These are people that live in Oklahoma City. And she said, but I'll tell you what about Trump. He says what everybody else is thinking.

So it's like Obama was elected and the people, civilized white people thought we can't have racist thoughts anymore. And they pushed him down and I can't be homophobic. I've got to keep all of this down. I've got to keep it down. It's not polite. It's impolite. I have to be civilized. But it was all still in there incubating. And then Trump comes out and then you have these John McCain, Mitt Romney, polished country club Republicans that then he wins. Right.

And then it's just unleashed. And then after he won, these people are like, oh, we absolutely love Trump. And I'm like, I thought y'all thought he was a dick. But it stood up in even civilized societies outside of redneck culture. People that we would go dine with and stuff that were full blown Trumpers because he allowed them and gave them permission to.

to pick on gay people, to pick on transgendered people, to pick on immigrants, to pick on refugees, to pick on black people, to pick on drag queens. And they got permission to be dicks. And so I see how it all plays out. That segment of the Republican Party, I think right now with the 91 felony charges and after January 6th, they're like, oh,

oh no, we're over Trump. We're ready for DeSantis or somebody new to take over. But when it comes right down to it, these people will end up voting for Trump again. And we know these people. We live in a red state. It's disgusting. It's hard to articulate just how devastating what you just said is and how pervasive it is. And

What is perhaps even worse is that it doesn't matter anymore if it's Donald or somebody else. He has shown them the roadmap. So, and, you know, whatever they were in 2016, they are now anti-democratic, proto-fascist, you know, authoritarians. You're exactly right. Donald Trump gave these people permission to be their worst selves.

He showed Republican politicians that you never need to apologize. You never need to change course. You never need to justify yourself. You never you don't have to abide by tradition. There is no shame ever. You do what you want you in order to keep power, no matter how illegitimately. So that's the lesson. They learned it deeply. I'm afraid. And that's why.

We are one of the reasons we're in the position we're in. The other one, to your point about the overt racism that has burgeoned since 2016, is that America has never done the work. It is not enough to elect one black man. Just as with misogyny, it wouldn't be enough to elect a woman. We need to do the work. We have never, ever acknowledged misogyny.

the fact that this is a country of white supremacy. This is a country born in white supremacy. This is a country born in the genocide of the nation population, native population, and in the enslavement of another population of people. This country was built

on the backs and with the blood of stolen black people. We have never acknowledged that. We've certainly never atoned for it. You know, here we are. And we have people, even Democrats at the highest level of government saying America is not a racist country. Well, you know what, guys? Keep keep telling yourselves that and nothing will ever change. That's such bullshit. And it pisses me off when people say that because it's

I know, and I have been around multiple racists and still continue to be. And if white people like the three of us don't start talking about it, then that's not going to help anybody. I'll give you an example. I had a friend and after Obama won, she referred to Air Force One as Afro One. And everybody laughed and slapped their knees and they thought it was just hysterical.

Most recently, about, oh, I don't know, about six months ago, I was playing pickleball. I'm an avid pickleball player. That's neither here nor there. The listeners will browbeat me for bringing it up. You slipped in pickleball with Mary Trump. But anyway, I was at a pickleball match. I play tennis. I understand. So this lady walks in that I'm going to play with, and I don't know her well at all.

But she's, I know she's a diehard. She's mentioned like Bible study and all this stuff. We were pretty desperate for a fourth at this time. Okay.

You know, so she'd been to Bible study. I'm just like, okay, you know, are you a three, five? Can you play? Exactly. Just play. Right. So at the end of it, she says, you know, I just get so uncomfortable around black men. And I kind of like double took at her and I was like, what? And she was like, yeah, one time I was riding a bike with my husband and we were mugged and it was a black person that did it. And I said,

By your logic, though, I should be terrified of your husband after what I saw on January 6th. Right. And I'm not holding that against all white people. Why is it about race? And so when people say racism doesn't exist in America, it is such bullshit. Those are just two examples. And you hear it all the time, especially where we live in polite white societies. You hear people make off-colored remarks all

all the time. And I think it's important that we talk about it and have very uncomfortable conversations about it and let people know that, hey, we're all in this together. And we see what's going on. We see what that political party is doing. We see what they're trying to do in Florida with education. We see what they're doing to women's rights in Oklahoma. And we see it and we're going to talk about it. We were talking about before you came on. Well,

we'll have people that comment on our comment section, quit talking about politics and just keep being funny. And I thought,

If that isn't the most white woman thing to possibly say, what a privilege to not talk about politics. What a privilege to not care about marginalized groups and the environment and what's going on globally and in our country right now with this rise of authoritarian populism. I've had it, Mary. I've absolutely had it. I am completely with you in terms of having had it. It's just so...

It's appalling because it's so obvious. Right. You know, just check your privilege, man. And what does it say about you if you feel so threatened by the truth of our racist past? Right. I personally, I do not feel guilty about anything.

You know, well, none of my ancestors was here early enough, but trust me, if they had been, they would have been enslavers. No doubt. I don't I can't own that. All I can do is acknowledge the extent to which I have and continue to benefit from that system.

By failing to do that, I perpetuate it. And that I should feel guilty about. If we don't take responsibility for the ways in which white supremacy has benefited us as white people, then we contribute to the problem and we do become responsible for that. It's not that difficult, guys. I mean, we just it's...

You own the problem by not facing the problem. Is that what we want? No, we want white people to be mature enough to have this kind of conversation without feeling threatened or without feeling like they're being attacked. It's appalling and it makes no sense. OK, Mary, we're going to play a game with you called had it or hit it.

And so if you like something, you'll hit it. And if you don't like it, you will have had it with it. Oh, my God. Welcome to Had It or Hit It. I would hit it. Had it. I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day. Okay. Had It or Hit It, Mar-a-Lago. Oh, Jesus.

I had it with Mario Lago decades before everybody else. So yeah, had it. Have you been there? Yes. I'm ashamed to say for a while there, as my grandparents were getting older and my grandfather was, his Alzheimer's was getting worse. That became where we went for Easter every year in the like early mid nineties. Is it as gaudy as it looks from the pictures of the documents? Yeah.

It's horrible. I mean, luckily it was, it wasn't a club yet. It was just his private home. But yeah, it's, it's pretty gross. Okay. Had it or hit it. Comb overs. Has anybody ever been hitting those? I'm sensing a theme. So comb over is clearly I've, I've had it with, with those as well. Have you ever seen the hair not combed over?

No. I mean, well, when I was a kid, he had semi-normal hair. Right. I just read an article some guy wrote that when he got out, he walked into the White House residence and he was just out of the shower and had done combed over and here was this obese man with this one-sided long hair. And I just, that is a mental picture that just causes me such amazement. Yeah.

What I think is so disturbing, too, is that he looks so much like my grandmother now, especially when he like clenches his jaw. It's like I could see her ghost in his face. And it's because she had this huge leech blonde updo as well, which is he styles himself after. It's very creepy. OK, had it or hit it. Gender reveal parties.

Oh my God. I never hit them. I mean, I've never understood them. Um,

And, you know, don't get me wrong. One of the best days in my life was when I found out we were having a girl. I don't know why. I didn't have a preference, but I was convinced it was going to be a boy. It was only picking out boy names. And then we got the sonogram. And I don't, to this day, I'm not sure. I guess I had a preference after all. But one of the best days of my life before her actual birth. But, yeah.

It was a, like, who else cares? Right? I always thought they were absurd and they just got more and more ridiculous, but they're killing people now. Yes. Oh, I'm sorry. Can I say that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, it's been. Of course I can say. Yeah.

No, we've been sounding the alarm bell about gender reveal parties and they're killing people. And it's just so ridiculous. I feel like so much of life is lived for social media content. Right.

And then if you, and then, and those people that produce their life on social media are the types of people that I say subscribe to this brand of toxic positivity to where if you criticize the post, just slightly scratch, it's kind of like with your uncle. If you slightly scratch the surface underneath that is just this butthurt rage that exudes out. And so anyway, Mary Trump,

pinch us but you're on our podcast it's so exciting i've got the i got to ask the question that i've been walking around for years wondering well this has been so much fun see you can talk about politics as depressing as they are and still have fun and you know it doesn't have to be at other people's expenses except idiots you do gender that's right that's right fuck them

Mary, thank you so much for joining us. This has been an absolute treat. We wish you the very best and we're going to keep fighting the good fight here in the red States.

Thank you so much. And I hope you guys will be on my show when we're up and running again. I know, which I've been waiting. Yeah, it's happening. It's happening. Okay, good. Okay. It would be our pleasure. Thank you so much. Thanks, Mary. Thank you. Bye-bye. Warrant you hot ship. I mean, I really do. I'm sitting here thinking this is like a hot ship moment for you interviewed the niece. I mean, Mary Trump, who I love her podcast, the niece.

Always look for her on YouTube if she's on other shows. Is she on your algorithm? She's on my algorithm. Is she your algorithm girlfriend? Not quite because she's not around as much. So I wouldn't say we're in an exclusive relationship. Algorithm mistress maybe? Maybe my algorithm mistress. Yes. Mary Trump is post algorithm mistress. She delivered. You know how you meet people that you're just like crazy about and then it's a disappointment? Not with Mary. Not with Mary.

Sharp as a tack. Sharp as a tack. Well-spoken. Funny. Gets it. Gets it. On the right side of history. Absolutely. And then it's just interesting, you know, like I'm sitting there as she's talking about it and I'm like, oh my God, like Donald Trump is her uncle. Yes. He used to send her underwear for Christmas. What? Yes. In her book, she wrote that when he was married to Ivanka, they would send her a three pack of underwear, sardines.

And then the foil, they would wrap shit like canned meats or something and wrap it in caviar foil. But it really wasn't caviar. It was sardines and like potted meat or whatever. Just fucked up shit. Oh my God. Underwear, a three pack of undies.

That's fucking weird. Why would your uncle get you undies to begin with? Like from the jump? Well, but this is the guy who sexualizes his own daughter. Well, that's true. I mean, you know, like this is, this is who all the evangelicals, this is their hero. Right. This is their guy. And he sexualizes his own daughter. Right. Oh, but you know, all these groomers are over here, the drag queens. Right. Per they say, which obviously it's not. Anywho. Oh my God. I love her. I know.

It's exciting. I know. Okay, listener, follow us. Hot shit tour. Patreon. Documentary club. Voice memos on Instagram. The voice memos. Tell them when we're going to see them. See you next Tuesday or Thursday or both. I'll tell you what I've had it with.

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