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Well, you remember last week we said, you know, his picks are kind of, you know, a little boring. You know, expect a little more. Yeah.

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Well, I wasn't bored with the news yesterday, Stu. I'm not sure anybody was. We said it. We did say these are like kind of, you know, just normal. Like any Republican nominee may have put these people in office. And that changed, I would say. This is what you promised, right? It's always exciting. Yeah. And we got a lot of exciting yesterday. There's a couple of things that I find interesting.

Worthy of pointing out, if you look at it from his point of view,

Last time he was in office, he didn't know who to trust. Right. He didn't know the system. He didn't know the players. He didn't know the parties, how they actually work in Washington. And he was stabbed in the back, in the side, in the shoulder, you know, in the chest, in the stomach, everywhere. He was stabbed by everybody. Okay. So he's looking first, I think, for people who are loyal to his vision, right?

And perhaps also loyal to him because he was stabbed over and over again. Yeah. I mean, obviously, this is a factor. Right. And it's logical and reasonable. I mean, Stu, you know I've been stabbed from every direction, right? Sorry about that. Yeah. So...

Wait a minute. And you know that I have a tight circle around me, and they are people that not everybody necessarily likes each other, but...

They're all people I know because I've seen them battle-hardened. They will never stab me in the back. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And that's reasonable. A very reasonable desire. So that's the first thing that needs to be taken into consideration. The second thing I noticed yesterday is...

He's also nominating people that the left will say, this is vengeance. No, no, not necessarily. Although it could quickly become that. And I will be against that if it is a grudge fest. OK, but I don't think that's what it is. I think this is people who have been.

wronged by the department they're now running. You know what I mean? For instance, Tulsi Gabbard, DNI. Well, what did DNI? She oversees CIA, Homeland Security, all intelligence. Okay. Well, she was put on the terror watch list. Now, you could look at that and say, oh, she's going for vengeance. She wants retribution. No, no.

I know Tulsi well enough to know she wants no one to ever face that again for political reasons. You know what I mean? She was deeply not offended, deeply disappointed in her country. It was an assault on her honor. That's where Tulsi is. And she's like, my country, I mean, it's shattered for her.

My country is saying that I'm a traitor and they're only saying it because of politics. This is not America. So I think she's perfect for that role. Now, Matt Gaetz is an interesting pick. I don't know how I feel about Matt Gaetz as the attorney general. Wouldn't have been my pick.

But I'm going to give Donald Trump the I'm going to give him all the rope he's asking for. I think he has earned our trust. He has earned the right to go fishing and pull up any fish that he wants. Now, that is not a blanket. Wait a minute. This isn't working out well kind of deal. If it's not working out well, I'm still going to say it's not working out well.

However, if you look at what he's done in the past, he was one of the toughest people against the Justice Department. I mean, it's him, Massey, Rand Paul. He went after the Justice Department and he was in oversight of the Justice Department. So he knows it. He is qualified for it. He just is...

Possibly a loose cannon. But the other thing I know about him is he will not stab Donald Trump in the back. Definitely not. He will do anything that Donald Trump asks him to do. And I hope that's not. Wait a minute. I hope that's not a blanket statement from anybody. And I'm not talking about you, but from anybody. I will do what the president asked me to do unless it's unconstitutional.

Look, I don't have that much worry that Donald Trump is going to request an unconstitutional thing, though I don't think Matt Gaetz would be the obstacle in his path if he did. Right. I just don't, I'm not all that concerned about Donald Trump doing that. But I think Matt Gaetz will do it. I mean, I can understand if I'm Donald Trump. Like, I've been through this. They've come after me. I need somebody to go in there and basically fire everybody and not feel bad about

because they have relationships inside that world. And so from that perspective, I understand the Gates pick because Gates will do that. If Donald Trump says go in there and fire 75% of the people, he will fire exactly 75.0% of the people. Yeah, and I will tell you that there are different...

There are different phases of a job. Right. And, you know, there are war generals and there are peacetime generals. A war general isn't afraid of getting bloody, isn't afraid of just going in just with a hatchet and just...

Kill them all. You know what I mean? And I think that that's a Gates role, that he may or may not be. I mean, proof is in the pudding. A peacetime guy, you know, he's the guy who goes in when you're at war and says, all of you out. You know, he does that for two years. Oh, and who's open for a gig in two? Oh, yeah.

Ron DeSantis is open in two years. You know what I mean? Yeah, it kind of seems like he's specifically designed for the beginning of this. Yes. Now, again, the question of whether he gets confirmed is a whole nother situation. And I know that the recess appointment situation, they're trying to get it so that they don't have to confirm him. I think that's probably the only way he gets the job. I don't think he'll get through the Senate.

But he it's not impossible. And if he goes through the recess appointment approach, he can get in there and he can go for two years because of of that clause. So he would be able to only do two years and then he would need to be confirmed.

And I don't... I mean, maybe in two years, if he just did a really good job, he would get confirmed by the Senate. So it's possible. I mean... But I think right now, he just got... You know, the guy's got a lot of enemies in Congress. A lot of times, that's a good sign. So... But I do think you're right in that he's the type of person that's just going to go in there and light the place on fire. And that's exactly what Donald Trump, I think, wants to start off because of how corrupt he believes it is. Yeah. And so I understand it from that perspective. I guess my...

Look, if I'm making the pick, which I'm not, I was not actually elected president of the United States. Really? So I don't get to make this pick. But like, you know, think of a person like Eric Schmidt. I would have gone with him. Who is, I think, a more, you know, I don't know. I think he would do a lot. He would not be, I think, a rubber stamp like I think Gates will be for anything that he wants. However, he is a really serious person, can absolutely do the job, would be a...

Yeah.

But again, you know, it's up to Trump. He gets to make these picks. And if this one fails, he moves on to somebody else. And I like Ken Paxton. Paxton wouldn't have affected the balance of power in the Senate and the House. You know what I mean? The House is... We're getting into worry time here, guys. We've now taken three House members out when you have a very small majority. And I'm sure Trump is thinking about this because it is...

important to him. He does need the house. It's critical. And I think they're going to get to 220 or 221. He's got to stop poaching from the house. He has to. And Johnson's like begging him at this point, please, nobody else. No more. But again, you know, they'll have a quick... Because he dropped out quickly. Now, there's, of course, a lot

uh around that gates is he was they were scheduled to vote on whether they were going to release a report on all of his uh personal issues here in two days and so the fact that he immediately drops out that means they theoretically don't where do you stand on those issues do you do you believe those to be true or is that another hatchet job

That's an interesting question. I think it's to me, again, I will say I haven't spent a lot of time diving into this. To me, the idea that he was sex trafficking seems like a real stretch. I don't know. What?

There are sex traffickers in the country, and they seem to miss a lot of those. They don't even look for a lot of those. Yeah, and he was not charged, it should be pointed out. And the idea that it seems like even the accusation itself

Is sketchy. Strikes me as like they're stretching that into a larger crime. Like they're saying basically, I mean, the accusation, we don't need to go through all this because none of it's been proven. We don't even have the report. But the bottom, the accusation, if you don't know, is that he slept with a 17 year old girl.

and took her on trips, which they would call as across state lines. And Venmo, they say they had their Venmo, his Venmo records. And they say that he Venmo these women a bunch of money, which I think that part of it is true. The question is, what was it for? She, the, the, the,

The accusation is it was for paid sex. So paid sex across state lines, that's sex trafficking. Now, look, when I think of sex trafficking, I'm thinking of like people being smuggled in from other countries and kept hostage. I immediately think of a cargo container. Exactly. And that is not the accusation against him. You know, look, if he actually is having sex with underage girls, that's a big enough deal. Obviously, Trump is convinced he didn't.

He has denied this. You know, there are a lot of accusations from multiple other members of Congress who say that he was at the very least showing them pictures of girls that he was having sex with on the floor of the House. You know, and again, that doesn't necessarily is not necessarily a crime, but not necessarily the best activity for someone you're putting. You want to appoint to attorney general. It's more Clinton-esque.

You know, worthy of the president of the United States. But, you know, as we know, there are... It's difficult to find somebody who isn't engaged in some horrible activity in Washington. Yeah, I know. But I hope these things are wrong. We can't have somebody who has any dirt on them. Oh, and look, Gates has tons. They're about to release an ethics report on him that they are saying is very damaging. Now, Gates is going to deny it. And he has some...

Like, I remember him saying, oh, actually, they're coming. I'm being framed. Yeah, he's denied this hard. Some of that was true. Because they were coming after his dad and some related things. So there's a long story here. If that report comes out, which, by the way, I would expect it to. Of course it will. It would be very surprising if somebody who has a lot of enemies does not leak this report before this process. But you have to remember, too, the report is...

is still just raw. And it's an ethics investigation. It's not going to result in charges at the end of the day, right? Like, you know...

This is going to come down to whether Republicans want to cross this line for Trump. And this is the biggest one he's presented to them so far. If he went to Thune and this is what I expected. He went to Thune and said, look, I'm not going to endorse Rick Scott if you give me these recess appointments.

My guess is that was a big part of the deal. He was pretty clear about it, and the reporting was pretty clear on it going out. If that happens, he will be able to get in there. He'll go in. He'll shake the place up and probably only last two years. Yeah, because he will be acting Attorney General. Acting, and that's the maximum limit on that. But I will say...

It will be an interesting test of that relationship and how serious Thun is in keeping that promise. Oh, yeah. Because I...

Thune is not a guy that I would trust with a promise like that. I wouldn't trust Thune with anything. I mean, you know, he's... Hey, could you hold this pile of dirt for me? I'm not giving it to Thune. Absolutely. I'm all over it. Thune, the easiest way to think of Thune is McConnell. I mean, he's a protege of McConnell's. He's basically McConnell. Now, look, McConnell, maybe he would keep that promise.

But usually what happens here is the Senate wants their opportunity to give their opinion and their consent. The one thing I do like about Gates is, you know, he was pushing to stop the influence industry in Washington. And he was pushing for the end of stock trader, you know, stock trading inside information, blah, blah, blah. Very good. And he reached out to the Uber left. I mean, he stood with AOC.

And I love this comment from him. AOC is wrong a lot, but she's not corrupt. And I'll work with anyone and everyone to ensure that Congress is not compromised. I think that's good.

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you know, get it, get it done. I'm excited about it. You need it. This is, I was playing a little bit of this for my kids the other day, or actually, I guess. Have you listened to the whole thing yet? I have not. I've listened to like, you sent me sort of a bunch of the files. So I've kind of just been going through them. Yeah. And I mean, it's great. It's, you know, this is your daughter. She's fantastic. I told my kids, I'm like, ah, this is my, my, you know, my boss, Glenn's daughter. He's,

He's got a holiday Christmas CD coming out. And I think they're, I don't know what they were expecting, but I started playing it. They're like, this just sounds like a real song.

That was a reaction. I think they just kind of expected it to be like, oh, this is this nice thing they made in their backyard. Like, oh, it's like a real... It's a real deal. A real thing. Yeah. She sounds like... And they said the same thing. It sounds like I would be watching a Christmas movie and the couple would be shopping in the department store and the song would be on. I have heard that so many times. This sounds like...

a really wholesome kind of Christmas movie soundtrack. Yeah, which is a high compliment. Yes, they don't make those now. Yeah, so I can't wait. I can't wait to have the thing available on Spotify where I can just press play. Right now I have to dig into these files and it's a pain. But it's going to be great to throw it on whatever streaming device you might have that plays music. I heard them all in a row for the first time like four days ago.

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All right, we're going to go over a couple of other appointments. It was not a boring day yesterday. Really, not boring at all. And the FBI has gone into the Polymarket CEO's house at 6 o'clock in the morning, took his phone, his electronics, didn't warn him, you know, just came in and did a raid. The question is, why? Why?

More on that in a minute. Glenn Beck.

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He just had his phone and electronics seized by the FBI yesterday morning. It comes after the election betting platform had correctly predicted a Trump win in the presidential election. A source close to the matter told the New York Post around 6 a.m. in his Soho home. Copeland was woken up by law enforcement who demanded he hand over his phone and his electronics. He was not arrested. Source said it's grand political theater at its worst.

They could have asked his lawyers for any of these things. Instead, they staged a so-called raid so they could leak it to the media and use it for obvious political reasons. So they didn't tell him why they seized all of his stuff. He says that it's political retribution. Why would that be political retribution that he called it?

And it's a little weird because the way it's being framed in the media, the stories that I've read about it is that like sort of like it's because they predicted Trump would win. But like he didn't predict Trump would win. It's a market. You go on there and people betting all over the world, they predicted Trump would win correctly. Right. It wasn't this guy. This guy is just, you know, he's one of the people who helped start the site and I think one of the founders, right?

So the site basically works like a betting market, an investment market where you can buy, let's say, Donald Trump at a 55% chance to win the election. And if he wins, it goes up to a dollar. So you make a decent amount of money. And they have stuff, all sorts of contracts on all sorts of things. It's a really fascinating way to watch. It's really, to me, as a...

it's really interesting to understand what people think. Like, we were watching this yesterday as the vote was coming down for John Thune versus John Cornyn and Rick Scott. And, like, you could tell...

probably somebody's on there that has some internal knowledge because the market started moving before it was announced on any of these screens. And you could tell that Thune was... Was the guy. Was the guy. And so it's not always like that, but it can be really helpful. Now, there is...

They are not allowed to process money from the United States. So they are... There's another prediction market called Kalshi, K-A-L-S-H-I, which is actually fully legal and gone through all the process in the United States. Polymarket is more like a cryptocurrency version of it, which is... They've had some back and forth where they don't accept money from inside the U.S., but they take stuff from all over the world.

And it's huge. It's a huge market. So, you know, you've seen this. You've seen an aggressive stance from the government, particularly left-leaning governments, to go after anything tied to cryptocurrency. Right. And I don't know if it's that, if it's related to that.

you know, and force them out of the market about a year ago, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. And they were trying to stop all this online betting on, on futures, basically on things that, you know, are the future. I personally, you know, this was shut down and I think it was the best idea that I have seen the government come out with. And it was a DARPA idea to start a betting market and they wanted to do it with the five eyes and,

and others who were in the know, and they would give it to all the intelligence agencies in the Five Eyes and say, where do you think...

The next terrorist attack is going to happen. And they'd give them to all these deep, deep thinkers. And they could actually win money on it because that was the incentive to really think out of the box and be right. And it was shut down because you're betting on death. Well, no, we're trying to figure out. We're trying to give people an incentive to.

to tell us what they actually believe is going to happen. Because when you put money down on the table, it changes things. It's not just a theory. It's like, no, no, no, I'll tell you how they're going to do it. And you have to put money down on the table to be able to back that up. Right. And it's...

It's one of the reasons why we put both Polymarket, Kalshi, and Predicted, another market, into the Pulse cast when we did that. Normally, you don't use that in a determination as to who's going to win the election. But I think it's honest, right? You can get asked who you think is going to win the election in a poll, and you may very well not necessarily be honest. You might say the person you want to win. People don't do that with their money. Right.

It tends to be an accurate prediction market of at least what people actually believe is going to occur. It doesn't mean that it's always right, but it does give you a sense as to what people really believe.

And so they have there's been an adversarial relationship for a long time predicted as another market that had been around for a long time that was operating under an agreement with with the SEC. I believe that was basically that said, hey, you guys can do this. It has academic purpose and it does have utility. So you guys can go along and take this. And then they just basically ripped the rug, pulled the rug right out from under them at the last minute after they had been operating for years and years and years and years.

You know, Kalshi is the only one that's actually fully legal here in the United States. So I don't know if that's because Polymarket didn't go through that process. The United States doesn't like that. You know, we've seen that with cryptocurrency exchanges. When you don't go through the process they want you to go through, they find ways to come and make your life miserable. So that may very well just be what this is. I don't know that it's tied to what prediction they made over the presidential election, though.

So let me switch gears here. This is something that should say a lot about how corrupt our system is, our DOJ. You remember in February, probably, you may not even remember this, the display cases for the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence at the National Archives? Somebody came in and they were doing a climate protest, okay? And they poured paint all over it.

Now, it was some sort of paint dust that you can, you know, sprinkle on everything. And it's just like paint, but it's actually like a, I guess, they say it was dust. I've never heard of this before. But it gets into everything, okay? And it actually permeates.

Penetrated the glass. Now, there's glass about, I think, two inches thick in front of those things. It penetrated into the first layer, through the first layer of the glass. It got into all of the, I mean, that room, I think it cost, just the display cases in 1920 cost $160,000. Okay? That's millions today. Okay.

And it is super secure. So these guys who had been at the National Gallery of Art and thrown paint on some of the paintings in the National Gallery of Art, they got a slap on the wrist. And so they're like, oh, well, let's go to the National Archives. When that happened, the archives went into lockdown. They caught these people and held them.

And it took about a month before the archives could open up that I believe the floors permanently stained some of the marble permanently stained. The documents are OK, but they had to add, I think, another million or something like that to enhance the security even more because these people did it.

Reason why I bring this up is how much did those people get who were praying at abortion clinics? How much time? People who were praying in a hallway and not blocking, not harassing, just praying in a hallway. Do you remember how much time they got, Stu? It was a long time. It was like 10 years in prison. Okay. Okay.

Yeah, 10 years. Remember the 80-year-old woman who was in a concentration camp in Russia that moved to the United States, saw this. She's been doing it since 1972. She said, I'm a political prisoner again. I never thought I would be a political prisoner in America. She was a political prisoner when Russia took over her country away from the Nazis. Yeah.

She got out and came to America and they they sentenced her with 10 years. She was like 85 or something. It was a death sentence. Now, I think I really like the person who is running the National Archives. I really I'd love to talk to her. I don't think she's going to talk to me, but I would love to talk to her because I think I really like her.

She has said that you should not politicize the National Archives. It should never be political and you should not assault people. She said, I have no problem with the bad parts of American history. We protect that too and we should display that. But you shouldn't have to go through, you know, all of this stuff that is assaulting you and saying America is a horrible place and then have a trigger warning on our Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence.

She just said that recently, and I love her for that. She actually felt so, she was so passionate about what these two people did that she went to speak out at their sentencing.

She went to the court and she said, Your Honor, thank you for allowing me to provide a statement on this sentencing. My name is Colleen Shogan. I'm the archivist, blah, blah, blah. As national records keeper, our mission at the National Archives is to preserve, protect and share the historic records of the United States of America.

We do that to strengthen our democracy and promote public inquiry. We take our mission very seriously. When we laid the cornerstone for the Archives building in 1933, President Hoover dedicated it to the name of the people of the United States and proclaimed the building the temple of our history. Enshrined in the rotunda at the heart of the building are the original founding charters of the United States of America, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, also the Bill of Rights.

These documents are the physical embodiment of our nation's core principles and symbolize what it means to be in America, be an American. So when Donald Zepeda and Jackson Green conspired together on Valentine's Day to defile the encasement of the Constitution, they were not just vandalizing a material object. Rather, they intentionally and willfully assaulted our shared past and the beliefs which unite us as Americans. I

I was in the building when the attack occurred and I was shocked and enraged by what I saw. When I arrived inside the rotunda, only moments after the attack, I found an unknown pink powder covering the encasement and surrounding marble floor. We had to immediately evacuate, risking injuries as people fled the building. Unwelcome memories of past anthrax and ricin attacks across the Capitol stroked terrible fear in myself and other senior leaders on the scene.

Once the powder had been identified as paint, a whole new set of challenges arose. Okay, so she goes into what happened, how it affected the casing, the bronze, the floors, everything else. Took over $50,000 of taxpayer dollars and dozens of conservationists, maintenance staff, and specialized emergency cleanup crews spending days on their hands and knees to fully restore the place.

We've also had to make changes in the security of the rotunda. I understand an important step in this process is to provide the court with a sense of the financial value of the property that was violated, blah, blah, blah. She goes on to, you know, the Constitution, a copy of it just sold for $43 million. The original is priceless. It's priceless. She talks about they had to make an update, $4 million, blah, blah, blah.

So she said, we as Americans have a right to free speech, but that does not absolve us from our actions consequences and the consequences for choosing to assault the fundamental records of our nation should be significant. She goes on and on and on to talk about how this really needs to be significant. Ten years for praying in a hallway.

What did this D.C. judge give these two that had already gone into our National Gallery of Art and defaced? Now they try to deface and destroy the archives. They did get a significant sentence because she showed up. She said, I'm not thrilled with the sentence, but it's better than, you know, it could have been. Take a guess. How much did they get? Less than 10 years.

18 months. 18 months. That's actually higher than I would have even guessed. Thank God. At least it was something. Yeah, that's what she said. Yeah. Anyway, did you know that all Fridays matter, not just the Black Fridays? Yeah. I can't believe he would say that. What a racist.

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Or are we at the dawn's early light? We're going to talk about that here in just a second and try to explain if we are at the twilight's last gleaming, how do we get to the dawn's early light? That in 60 seconds. That sounds interesting, Glenn, but I'm putting in my price picks lineup.

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I think we really, truly understand the meaning of our national anthem. The way we sing it, it's like, okay, that's good. Play ball. This is one of the most tense national anthems that I have read. It is, it's describing one night and it happened to the author, Francis Scott Key. We were at war with the British.

And at Fort McHenry, the British were about to attack. And we were trying to get a couple of prisoners back. And so he was selected, along with another guy, to go onto this British ship and negotiate and return the American prisoners on the ship. But when they got there, they saw that they were preparing to attack the fort. And so the captain of the ship said, you can't leave now because now you know you're going to be held here until this is over.

And so he put them down at the bottom of the ship and they watched what was happening through one of the little ship's portholes. Now, imagine you're on the other side. You're now on an enemy ship locked away so you can't go anywhere. And you're watching to see what you want to see if that flag comes down and another flag goes up. Right.

So the lyric, oh, say, can you see by the dawn's early light? What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming means is that flag still there? Last night it was there. Is it in the morning? This is a guy waking up in the morning after a long battle and going, is it there?

Or the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming and the rockets red glare, the bombs bursting in the air gave proof through the night that our flag was still there. So he could only see it when bombs would go off or things were burning or there were rockets in the air. When that would happen, they would look, is the flag there? But now the sun has come up.

And he asks us the question, does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave over the land of the free and the home of the brave? Are we at the twilight's last gleaming or are we at dawn's early light?

We don't know. I mean, I don't know if we're entering dawn's early light yet, but we are at the twilight's last gleaming. This is a fork in the road right now. This will be studied for centuries. This is a fork in the road right now on Western civilization.

I want to bring in Kevin Roberts, who I love the name of the book, Dawn's Early Light, Taking Back Washington to Save America. It is out now. Kevin, how are you? Man, I'm doing great. You ought to do broadcasting for a living. What a perfect framing of where we are in this country. And as you know, from this early American historian to you, a great patriot and friend who

has forgotten more about American history than most students learn. Thank you for that framing. That's really where we are. We have a lot of work ahead. The election is just the beginning. So you do believe that we're at the twilight's last gleaming right now?

I think that the, as Churchill would put it, the end of the beginning just occurred, which is to say, you know, the next several weeks, the Biden-Harris regime comes to a close. I think that we're tilting toward dawn's early light. I'm hopeful by my nature because of my faith and because I'm an American. But I think the key thing to the underlying point that you're making, Glenn, is that just because we won the election doesn't mean that, you know, we can go back to everything we were doing. The hard work begins now. Yeah.

And we're in for some really difficult times to make this turn today.

And to make it without collapsing everything and to make it fast enough to where people will feel, you know, like like Malay, you know, he's turned that around quickly in Argentina. I don't know if we can turn that fast. I hope we can. But he's down to three percent inflation now. And that's a massive, massive turn for Argentina.

But it's going to be difficult. So what are the things that you're seeing and you outline in the book that we have to do to get this ship to turn? Three or four things in the next 90 days, let's say. The first has already happened. We had to secure an election victory, which has happened. But the second thing is the men and women who are in key positions already

We're in great shape with the president and vice president. I would argue in great shape with the speaker of the House. I think we will be OK with the new majority leader of the Senate. Nothing against Senator Thune personally, but he's not the most aligned with this framing that we've just outlined, to put it charitably. But popular will might be something that he responds to. But the good thing, Glenn, is point number three, which is that not everything that needs to happen is

is in Washington. And if you look across the fruited plain and you see the governors and also very importantly, an increasing number of local officials, county executives, county commissioners, school board officials, the center right in this country has been awakened.

to the reality that we all have to dig a little bit deeper in spite of all the sacrifices we've made to participate in the revitalization of the American dream. But it's point four that that is the most important and to some extent it's the hardest.

Politics, to some extent, doesn't matter. It's all about society and culture, our local communities, our families. The thing that I try to emphasize in the book is not just an America first posture, but a family first posture in which we're

We're going about our lives virtuously. We're all flawed, of course, but as virtuously as we can, because our institutions and our politics reflect us as individuals. And it's really important we not lose sight of that as we are making this turn to dawn's early light. We can't restore America if...

We don't restore ourselves and our families if we don't put first principles back into our own lives. Our society is just a reflection. I mean, our government is just a reflection of our society. That's all it is. We don't care about lies and corruption. Then they'll lie and produce tons of corruption for us because we don't really care about it.

We say we do, but do we really? You know, once a guy on your side gets caught doing something, you're like, yeah, well, that's not that big of a deal. No, you got to care about it. You got to care about it in your own house. You have to care. You know, I remember, Kevin, when I was a kid, if I got in trouble with the teacher or God forbid I was called to the principal's office,

I was less afraid of the school than I was my dad and my mom because they weren't going to listen to my side. You know what I mean? They just weren't. They were like, no, I know you too well. You did that. And, you know, that happened. Now parents go and try to broker deals for their kids or blame the school when it is the kid's fault many times.

Oh, it is. You can't do that in your own home and expect the culture to be well. You know, it's an excellent example, and it reminds me when I was a senior in high school, and I thought I was a bit of a hotshot. And so I had this liberal English teacher. She was a very good teacher. Her politics were terrible, and she was probably saying something in class she shouldn't have about politics.

And I said something that was disrespectful to her. And I got called into the principal's office and he was a mentor and a great guy. And he said, look, Mr. Roberts, you just can't do that. I was courteous to him in that meeting. But when I got home to your point, Glenn, I mentioned this to my mom.

She was livid at me. I thought she was going to be livid at the English teacher and at the principal. And she said, Kevin Roberts, you get your rear end to that school early tomorrow and you apologize to that principal. You apologize to that English teacher. I don't care if she's a liberal and you're conservative. You must own that mistake.

And boy, that has stuck with me because it's those kinds of things that my mom stepping up in that moment to say, no, you must comport yourself better than that. That's the kind of thing we have to do writ large across this republic. Because just to come full circle here and to sum up in this response, Glenn, if you read Madison's notes about the constitutional debates, as you know well, Madison said, really, our motivation in building this constitutional system is to build a framework that acknowledges the

the fallen nature of humans. And that's really what we're up against in the 21st century. And people, I don't think, understand that we've trusted government. The founders didn't trust government. They knew how they, because they knew people. How the progressives want to put the elites in place and they treat the, you know, the hardworking, you know, everyday guy as really the forgotten man is,

That guy doesn't have the power. You have all the power. And we know because of history of the human race, the more power you have, the more corrupt you're likely to be. But they just dismiss that. And that's what I think Donald Trump is trying to reverse. I really feel...

I feel very optimistic. You know me. I'm not optimistic very often or maybe ever. But I am so optimistic because I do think if we pay attention, if we don't do what we did in 2016 and say, OK, well, he's got it. I voted. It's done. If we keep the pressure on, we stay awake. We make the changes we have to and help them make the changes in Washington and

I think we are on the verge of a golden age of America.

I'm convinced of that. And while I am not as prone to pessimism as you are, you know that I am a hopeful realist. And so the advice that I've been giving to people, you know, that family members from across the country call me, friends, elected officials, they say, Kevin, you know, what's the advice or what's the posture that Heritage Foundation and Heritage Action are taking with all of this? We're going to be accountability partners. And all

All of us need accountability partners, whether informally or formally. And by that, it's not so much a negative thing, but these elected officials need people who are trusted friends, who are aligned with them philosophically, who want the same thing, which is the restoration of the American dream, but who also are such good friends that

that as good friends do and only good friends can do, we can level with them, hopefully behind the scenes, and say, don't do that. Stop doing that. And if we have this attitude, if everyone in your audience has that attitude, and going back to my point about comportment, we do that in a way that's charitable, that's civil, but also candid, I actually think that we are at the beginning of this golden era of conservative reform. Me too. We have to be able, you know,

It's so weird how shaming in our culture has become all about politics. If you don't agree, then you're run out. Where we used to agree not on politics. We used to agree on principles. That's why you could be a kid in a grocery store and somebody who you didn't recognize would walk up to you and say,

You're you're Bill and Mary Beck's son, aren't you? Yes. I don't think they'd want you behaving this way. And you would just go beat red and you'd stop it. You just wanted to become invisible. Now we're saying, how dare you tell me what to do? No, there is a place for shame. There is a place for the community to say, look,

And we all agree on the same values and what you're doing here is wrong when it is clearly wrong. We just shut up now because we're afraid of the response or the attorneys that are going to get involved or whatever. We can't be afraid of that anymore.

No, we can't. In fact, so much of what I talk about in the book, although I do cover quite a bit about politics and policy because they are important, is about the point you just made, just our daily relationships. And one of the reasons I decided to home in on that, Glenn, is because I've learned in the second half of my career where I've moved from academia to politics, as you know, that what people are looking for, people who listen to you, people who support heritage,

largely the same people. They say, "Kevin, give me some solutions that I can do in baby steps or bite-sized pieces." And what I realize is, let's start by doing that in our individual relationships, our individual conversations. And so I'll just give you an example. I'm encouraging people, as exciting as it is with all of these cabinet appointments the president's making, of course, support those and pay attention and be accountability partners,

But don't lose sight of what's going on in the politics of your city, of your county, of your state, and develop a relationship with someone who represents you, even if they are a member of the opposing party and you're going to disagree on everything. Now is the time for us to press the advantage on what the American people have said loudly and clearly over the last eight days, and that is,

We want to wake up in a normal country. So use the power of shame to when people are being abnormal, be charitable about it. But the American people are with us on this point. All right. Back in just a second. We're with Kevin Roberts about his new book, Dawn's Early Light.

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Well, when J.D. won the Ohio Senate seat, actually when he won the Republican primary, which was kind of a tooth and nail political fight, I hadn't met him yet, but we had a lot of mutual friends and people were telling both of us that we would really enjoy each other's company because we had similar upbringings. And so I texted him and I said, you know, let's talk. Well, he called me the next couple of days and it started this personal friendship, which also has this bond of friendship.

not just politics, Glenn, but sort of in the way that you and I have gotten to know each other in the last few years, that we have a similar worldview that's anchored in our faith, that's anchored in our realism about the challenges we're confronting. And so when I finally met him in person, when he was...

sworn in, we just completely hit it off. You know why? Because he's so authentic. And so almost all the time we agree on policies and politics. We have some differences of opinion on things, but unlike, uh,

some of his colleagues in the Senate who bristle at even a 5% disagreement with them, when we've had differences of opinion on legislation and policy, J.D. almost relishes that conversation. In fact, not almost, he does, because he's just so authentic. So all of that to say, when I was thinking about people who could write the forward and really capture what I'm trying to capture in the book, which is an understanding of

the reality ahead, but also that we're hopeful in part because of overcoming some challenges in our respective childhoods. JD was perfect. And to sum up, he said, Kevin, not only am I going to do this, I'm not going to have someone ghostwrite it. I'm going to sit down and write it myself, which to me was extremely gratifying. You know, I've been watching, Stu thinks I'm back on the sauce. You know, I'm a recovering alcoholic and he thinks it's got to be drunk right now because he's optimistic.

I said something last night that I would have never guessed that I would have said. You know, everybody's calling Donald Trump Ronald Reagan. I don't think he's Ronald Reagan. I think...

If he can pull off what he's saying in those, have you seen his little, you know, six minute videos that he's putting out on how they're so effective? They are so good. They are so good. It is so well thought out. And if, if he can get all of that done, I think we're looking at almost a refounder. We're looking at somebody that will change this country to the, at the extent that maybe Abraham Lincoln did or, or,

the anti-FDR. You know what I mean? I agree entirely. Do you? I do. And I talk about that in the book. I think that's where we can be optimistic about the next few years. Okay. We're going to come back in just a minute. We're going to talk about some of the appointments that have been made with Kevin Roberts. He's from the Heritage Foundation, also author of Dawn's Early Light, available now. Glenn Beck.

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Talking to Kevin Roberts, the president has a lot to do. And when I said to him a few weeks ago, are you going to be able to get this done in four years? Are we going to be able to turn this around? He said, Glenn, I've got to turn this thing around in the first hundred days. If I don't get all this stuff done in the first hundred days, we're not going to get it done. He knows and he is pedal to the metal. What has to happen in the next 100 days?

Well, he's got to continue the pace of appointments that he's making. It's a political blitzkrieg, which is awesome with this pace of appointing cabinet secretaries and heads of agencies. And that will continue over the next week. And then the second thing that needs to happen is that the official transition and everyone associated with that

then work on levels two, three, and four. And I think that will go very well because of the preparations that have gone on just across the conservative movement about that. And so we ought to be very optimistic about that. In other words, those first two steps and

And the pace on that's really good, Glenn, are probably a little ahead of schedule because these men and women, I mean, literally, as soon as the president takes the oath of office, need to start flooding the zone with executive orders and scaling back the government overreach that's happened, not just in the last three and a half years, but that happened, as you know, under the Obama-Biden administration. Then step three is really...

going all the way back. I mean, starting even before that with Wilson, right? Yeah. Love you for that. I try to speak your love. I know it is my love language. There are only so many radio hosts that I can have this sort of historically based conversation with. I love it.

When my staff came in and said, Glenn wants to talk to you for a while, I said, awesome. We could speak out. It's step three that's hard. And you know that because of your understanding of history, and that's the legislation. And I think that the House will be relatively reliable on that because of Mike Johnson's leadership. But it is a real challenge.

to have that slim majority. And so it's really important that people who are listening to this understand now is the time to start asking your member of the House, what are they gonna do on the legislative priorities? Number one, close the southern border, restore the rule of law there and also in the interior of the country. Our heritage colleague, Tom Homan, who's been appointed border czar is going to do a great job of that, but we have to have legislation that fixes this problem.

The Senate, of course, is going to be a question, but I think popular will can help. Priority two, legislatively, Glenn, is to extend the Trump tax cuts. It's vital for the health of the economy. In fact, if you look at what the stock market's going to be doing, just one indicator, but an important one, about sort of the mood of medium and big capital, it's

extending the trump tax cuts is essential and that needs to happen soon for the very point that you mentioned earlier about president me lay in argentina one of the reasons this is succeeding his plans they are exceeding is because he has kept the pedal to the metal he's not taking his his foot off the gas you know to your point about your conversation with president trump that is is his mindset and so if this happens

in the first hundred days, then step four will be something that Trump can take on as a massive project. In addition to having Vivek and Elon lead this new Department of Government Efficiency, I suspect that the Trump-Vance administration will find some particular agency and tell the American people, "This is going to be an example of how we devolve power back to you." Is that going to be the education

Could be. Would it be another department? Could be. But that's actually where the American people will say this is the promise. This is fulfilling the promise of what we voted for. So the thing that is excited me recently is the fact that, you know, he's talking not about extending the the Trump tax cuts, but actually going much deeper than that.

to give us a real boost in the economy. The more money you give back to the American people, the better the economy is going to go, especially for those who are hiring people and want to expand their businesses and get all of this regulation off of the backs of business and really entrepreneurs.

You know, Bill Gates famously said a long time ago he couldn't start Microsoft today with all of the federal regulation. You know, he has said Trump has said that he is thinking about getting rid of all regulation that hasn't passed through Congress. Is there a possibility that that happens?

There is a possibility that that happens. And in fact, I would say that it's essential that it does because what I was talking to an economic advisor of President Trump last night and this person, I said, we were having this conversation that you and I are having about the Blitzkrieg, if you will. And I said, what's the other thing that has to happen in order to sustain the pace of all of this deregulation and this administrative reform? And this person said 4% economic growth.

And this person said, if we hit that as a result of some of these policies and, and unfreezing the capital that's sitting on the sidelines, this person said, we're

We're golden. And I think it's it's likely that that's what's going to happen. The kind of thing that gets in the way is the typical establishment or what I call the uniparty in my book, Glenn. And you've got to really watch the Senate and a few members of the U.S. House. And now is the time. Now is the time to lay the groundwork to say the first hundred days is vital, not just for the first quarter of twenty twenty five, but for the next hundred years of American history.

I've been saying that we are at a crossroads for the West and Western civilization for a while now. We've already made the critical decision that we're going to fork this road away from wherever the West has been going and go in a new way. I think what Trump does here, if he can have the kind of success that Malay has had,

And he gets us out of the Paris Accords again. He gets us out of all of these things and he can codify some of these things. This changes the direction of the it saves the Western world. Do you agree with that?

100%. You said something really vital in the last segment, which was referring to President Trump as a refounder of this country. I think that that's true. Two quick points about that. The first is,

I've been saying that since I got to Heritage a few years ago, which is that, guys, we've got the opportunity to be part of this refounding of this country where we regenerate institutions, revitalize our politics. And Trump is, I mean, he's not merely...

a potential reagan figure he's a potential washington figured or is figure but the second thing is about the west you know i spent a lot of time traveling the world on behalf of of uh... american conservatism in the place that i go once a quarter is the u_k_ which is in far worse shape

than America is. And there and across the continent of Europe, those folks are looking to us and to President Trump, not just to turn America around, but for America once again to be that beacon of light that it's been for so long. Yep. Lead the way out of this nightmare. And it's just going to it's going to take getting rid of the elite class, getting them out of power.

and start listening again to the people. The people know the answer. The people are the answer, not more government. It's that simple. Kevin, I have to ask you about Matt Gaetz. What do you think? I mean, you know, I'm watching MSNBC here up and they say the DOJ employees are saying that this is insane and unbelievable. It is controversial. What do you think about it?

Well, I think the bravado of that selection is fantastic. And you can judge the strength of a selection of the cabinet secretary, in this case, the attorney general, by what the swamp is saying. And so whether it's the DOJ folks complaining about Congressman Gates or the DOD, the defense folks complaining about Pete Hegseth, you know that they're great picks. But this is the key thing.

These men and women who are being appointed to these positions, in this case, your question about Matt Gaetz, they have to go in with a plan and they have to go in with the right men and women who can execute that plan. And remember something that's very, very important. You've got to communicate with the American people about why you're doing what you're doing, because if

in addition to the administrative state being a problem, they of course control all of the strings of legacy media. And it's vital that there be a really refined plan for what the priorities are going to be. If Matt Gaetz does that, if Pete Hegseth does that, if all the cabinet secretaries do that, not only will they be successful in their respective roles, but we actually will gain some momentum in this city about priorities.

pushing out the ruling class. Yeah. It is so critical that everybody understands what's at stake and why they're making these cuts. Do you believe that it would be legal and constitutional for the president to say, we're going to look at the whole ball of wax here and we're going to cut it by half and just like Calvin Coolidge did,

And we're just going to go with the odd number. If your social security number ends in an odd number, you're out. Do you think that can be done without Congress? Without Congress, initially, there are some details, like second-order details, that Congress would probably need to clean up. What does that mean?

There are some pieces of legislation governing legislation over some of the sub programs and the agencies that you've got to go address legislatively because of how they're funded. But that should not, I say that just as sort of nerd out on this, that should not prevent the president from going forward with that plan, nor should it prevent him from making recess appointments.

Kevin, thank you so much. I just love you. I think you're one of the great minds of our time. And mainly because you tie it all back to history. You look for the history behind it, where it's worked, where it hasn't worked. He's the president of the Heritage Foundation. Kevin Roberts, TX, is his ex-follow. And also he has the book out right now, Dawn's Early Light, Taking Back Washington to Save America.

Dawn's early light available wherever books are sold. Kevin, thank you. God bless you, my friend. Thanks for everything you do. All right. Once upon a time, Jack threw some beans out the window. The next morning there was this massive bean stock. And because Jack hadn't read this story already, which I don't believe he climbed it, found a giant's home, which he immediately broke into and attempted to steal stuff. Okay. That's the real story. Now had the giant who lived there had simply safe installed, uh,

I mean, he would have been caught in the act. Okay. He wouldn't have taken the, he wouldn't have taken anything from the giant. He wouldn't have chopped down the, you know, the beanstalk and the giant, you know, came crashing to his death, which I think is the way that story unfolds.

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She was crying doing it. I was crying listening because it's a very personal song. I mean, I talked to Andy Williams about it years ago and told him the story behind that song that I listened to Andy Williams sing growing up. And he was crying. I mean, it's a really powerful, powerful song of redemption. Perfect for Christmas. All right.

So, Stu, ABC is scrambling to bring in pro-Trump voices to The View. Now, stop. Yeah. Yeah. They're apparently in a panic mode. Good. And who is going to go on that show?

Everybody, everybody that they've had on that was a conservative, they've destroyed and almost put into a mental institution. Yeah. And they all like outwardly complain about their time there now. Yeah. They hated it. Somebody will take a check, though. Somebody will take a check to make a difference. Those shows are done. Yeah.

CNN, done. MSNBC, done. I mean, they're looking to offload MSNBC. Yeah, mass layoffs at CNN. We talked about that a little bit yesterday. You know, you have the view. I mean, like the view in its infancy was like, in theory, you could understand what they were trying to do with it. Right. Like it was it was they they had one conservative on.

You know, there was one person who was supposed to be a news person who was at the head of it. Right. And it wasn't supposed to be all politics and all just one person.

You know, one point of view. Right. And now it's just I mean, it's to the left of almost everything on MSNBC. I mean, because, you know, obviously the people on The View are very stupid. You know, like Rachel Maddow is not stupid. Right. I wouldn't accuse her of that. You know, where you get the people on The View, they're just morons. And so, I mean, obviously, like Joy Reid is still on. Maybe they should put Joy Reid on The View.

Oh, that would be good. She'd fit right in. Maybe that's the direction they should go. Just go all the way. Why stop? You know, they try to do this stuff and they don't mean it, right? So they'll put in someone who once voted for a Republican. I mean, Anna Navarro was that person at one point, right? I know, I know. And, you know, she was supposedly a Republican consultant, though no one can trace that history back. But, you know, you go back and look at that and it's like...

They get in there. They get claps every single time they say something liberal. They all wind up going the same direction. I have to tell you, you know, they should try this coming up this summer because Joy Behar is still performing in the Catskills. Oh, that's been canceled. Lack of sales. Really? Yeah, unfortunately. Wow.

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Earlier on the program today, we talked about these two green hoodlums or terrorists that had already gone into the National Gallery of Art and thrown paint on some of the art. Then, recently, on Valentine's Day last year, they actually walked into the National Archives and threw paint at

all over the Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, and everything else. And it almost permeated the glass. It actually penetrated the glass through the first level. Could have destroyed the documents. Almost destroyed all of the cases and everything else. This was built in like 1933. It is a temple to our documents and to our values and principles.

They only got 18 months. Now compare that to what the January Sixers got for parading. Not breaking the glass or anything else, but for parading.

Steve Baker is one of our guys. He is a he's a correspondent for Blaze Media. He's probably done more to crack open the case of of January 6th than anybody else. And that's why the government is after him. Well, they charged him and they were going to take him to court. He told me on the air, I will never plead guilty.

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Steve Baker and his attorney Bill Shipley join us. Steve, I hate to do this to you, but we've got about six, seven minutes. So why did you plead guilty? It was no more complicated than this. Last Wednesday was my pretrial hearing and the government basically went into lockstep, deny, deny, deny mode. That was lockstep with the court itself. We

the last minute hopes that we had that they would either grant us a dismissal of my case based on selective prosecution, or they would at least grant a continuance, which would mean that that during that time, they would also give us the discovery that we had requested on the some

80 to 100 other journalists, media influencers, podcasters, bloggers of all types of media that passed through those restricted spaces and into the Capitol that day, why they weren't charging them. And when the judge laid down the law and said, no, he was going to just basically show his inflexibility. And I thought, you know what?

after that, then the trial is nothing more than a shaming exercise. If you're not going to be allowed to present your own case. So, and I think, I think bill can speak to that a little bit more clearly. Bill.

Well, Steve and I had a conversation ahead of that hearing, and I said, Steve, based purely on the facts, I think we can defend this case. But at the end of the day, particularly during that pretrial conference hearing, it became clear that the government was going to use four comments that Steve had made over the course of the day to, in effect, show that Steve had, in the government's words, joined the mob,

In other words, Steve was, in some respects, taking the government's interpretation of his words. He was applauding the conduct of the crowd that day. And the government said that sets him apart from the other 80 journalists. Well, you know, you think about that, that basically says any opinion journalist who

whose opinion is on the wrong side of what the government deems to be the line of acceptability, is therefore subject to prosecution. And as long as your opinions are on the right side of the line of acceptability, you're fine. So that's a First Amendment right.

Exactly, but we could not get the court to accept that. I think part of what we were up against was these were only misdemeanor charges. The court was simply not going to give us the evidence that we thought we were entitled to. Part of the difficulty of that particular kind of defense is it's almost a concession that you've actually committed the crime, and what you're saying is why aren't other people similarly situated being charged with the same crime? Correct. So it's a double-edged sword in that regard. Right.

After the election, it was just a matter of, you know, Steve, we can get out of this in such a way where we write the facts. We decide what we tell the judge were the facts of the case. Unlike a plea agreement, when you have an agreement with the government, they write the facts and you're stuck with them because the alternative is go to trial. I will tell you that I pled, I don't know if I pled guilty, I might have, pled guilty in a case

had to surrender and just acquiesce on a case years ago involving terrorists. And somebody, I had them dead to rights, dead to rights. But the government was controlling all of the strings and all of the information. And if you can't get the information from the government that they have and that you know exists because you have copies of it,

But the judge says, no, I need to see the official copy. And the government says, well, we're not going to give you the official copy. You have no place to go. They win every time if you if you can't get them to cooperate in any way and give you the information that they only have. That's what you're fighting. Right. Right.

Yeah, and our alternative here would have been to go to the appellate court, but we could only do that after the district court, the trial court, after that case was over. We could go to the appellate court, but again, we're talking about four misdemeanors. How much effort are you willing to put in to go to the appellate court to try to get this information that the trial judge has denied you? Okay, so what's your sentence going to be, Steve, do you know?

Well, they set my sentencing hearing for March the 6th. Now, we don't know, but the judge himself acknowledged in the court date on Tuesday that we likely would never see each other again. How about that? He actually acknowledged that, actually said it twice in reference to the fact that there was going to probably be pardons coming down and therefore I would never be sentenced again.

But in that moment, I think the judge made a really critical and unforced error because he decided to go ahead and dress me down as he would normally do during the sentencing hearing. And since he decided that we probably wouldn't be able to have that hearing in March, he was going to go ahead and take that opportunity now to chastise me. And what he did, Glenn, it was incredible.

and we're gonna have the transcript of this and we'll certainly release it through the blaze, is that he dressed me down, not for my behavior, but he criticized my actual work as a journalist

Because I had used the terms weaponized DOJ and I had been critical of the biased court. Wow. Wow. What a violation of your First Amendment. All right, guys. Steve, thanks for explaining this. Bill, best of luck. Keep us up to speed. I think you are right. I think Donald Trump's going to come in. And I hope not for everybody. I mean, there were some people that were really bad actors in this.

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All right. Thomas Massey is going to join us. We're waiting for him to call in. But Thomas is going to call in and talk to us a little bit about everybody freaking out about Matt Gaetz as Attorney General. Because Massey has come out. Massey was a little bit sassy about this and is supporting the nomination, obviously. And here he is. This is cut six. The need to reset.

He's the Attorney General. Suck it up. He's the Attorney General. Suck it up. That's what he says. Get over it.

He's got to be the attorney general. That's what he meant. I couldn't tell. It was kind of hard to hear. But he's basically saying, look, get over this. It's going to be happening. Yeah. Because the recess appointment thing looks, I mean, it's not been confirmed. I think that's why Trump was okay with Thune is he wanted that recess appointment, which means he's not confirmed by the Senate because he'll have a hard time going through the Senate.

Yeah, I don't think he'd have any chance, honestly, to get through the Senate in normal procedures. There's a lot of people who don't like Matt Gaetz. Right. And so he's going to be a recess appointment. As soon as they go on recess, Trump nominates, and then it just slides through. But it's an acting role. And the limit on that is two years. So somebody else is coming after Matt Gaetz. And this is probably a very well-laid plan. I don't know what the plan is yet, but...

Got to give President Trump the benefit of the doubt here. Thomas Massey, welcome to the program. Hey, great to be on, Glenn, to talk about my friend Matt Gaetz. Okay, so first of all, let's start at the worst possible place for Matt Gaetz. You know, there was this inquiry that was going to be released into how bad he is on Friday. That's why he had to quit right away. That's why it happened. Can you address that?

Well, who better to take on the weaponization of the government than somebody who's had the government weaponized against them? I mean, this is what I call touching the red wire to the black wire. If you've ever jumped a car with jumper cables, you know you don't put them together. It's going to melt the insulation off the place over there. And if anybody knows how to fix it, it's Matt Gaetz, how to fix the DOJ. Why do you say that? Because most people know him just as a bomb thrower.

Well, because he served on the committee, the Judiciary Committee that Jim Jordan chairs and I serve on as well. And we have sat there I don't know how many times and heard Merrick Garland try to say when we ask a question, I'm sorry, that's the subject of an ongoing investigation and it's our longstanding policy not to comment. That's bull crap. And I told Matt I expect to never hear that answer from him when he comes in front of me.

I am looking forward, Glenn, this is my dream, to cross-examining Matt Gaetz in the hot seat there in front of Judiciary. And have him not say what Merrick Garland said. Right. I can imagine saying, hey, where are those documents that we asked for? Matt would probably reach under the table and say, here are those documents that we asked for.

So tell me, because I don't think this is, you know, the left is saying, this is revenge. He's going to go on a scorched earth. He's going to go after all his enemies. No, I think like with Tulsi Gabbard, he's appointing people who have direct experience of the weaponization of government in that role.

Right. Yeah, absolutely. Look, the DOJ was weaponized against teachers at school board meetings. Right. It's not revenge to say we're not going to we're not going to go after parents at school board meetings or to fire those people that were responsible for that.

Correct, or to go after whistleblowers, for instance. It's not revenge to say we're going to set things right. There's nobody that's being targeted. I am certain there's some people going to be cleaning their desks when Matt Gaetz takes over. Some of them will be given the notice, and some of them will be trying to get out of Dodge before the new sheriff gets to town. So, Thomas, is he the kind of guy that is well thought out and well planned? Because he has to move in on...

inauguration day and lay down the law quickly. He's got to take that bull by the horns day one.

listen, I don't always agree with Matt Gaetz, but he is one of the smartest guys up here. You can tell that from his wit. But, you know, when we question people in the Judiciary Committee, it's usually his questions that are the most pertinent. He knows the right questions to ask. When he gets to DOJ, he's going to know which rocks to turn over, which ones are going to have snakes and scorpions underneath of them, because he's

You know, he spent many years asking these questions. I can't imagine the day he walks in there and actually, instead of asking for the documents, gets to pull the file open and pull the documents out.

They got to be. I mean, have you guys issued a warning on destroying of any kind of documents? Because that's what they did to you guys with the January 6th committee. They destroyed them. They they only gave you half of them. And then they were locked up and they were like, oh, we can't. We don't know what the code is to get those. Do you have penalties right now? Have you issued any warnings on this?

Well, you're right about January 6th. The Secret Service received five preservation notices from different committees in Congress and still deleted all of their phones and their texts from January 6th. So I'm not, I mean, I'm not sure what good that will do. And then

You have people who use illegally are using their private phones. They're going to be doing that. It's going to, you know, the forensics, he better hire a forensic expert to try and find some of the stuff that's been bleached bedded over there. I'm sure the shredders are in overdrive illegally. So, but, um, to answer your specific question, I don't know what preservation notices we've set, but we should be sending them in an overdrive. Yeah. And to every agency and, and here's why it should make a difference.

The DOJ is responsible for putting people in jail and holding people accountable for that. If you've destroyed any documents, you were involved in any of that. If you're the person in charge of those documents and they can't be found, you go to prison, period. That's what it should be.

there should be ramifications, repercussions for anybody that engages in that kind of malfeasance. It's usually the coverup that gets them. Yeah. Not, not necessarily what they did, but their effort to cover it up. Yeah. And look,

Look, they were not planning for Trump to win. And then they had a backup plan for Trump to hopefully appoint another Bill Barr type who would coddle them and really work against Trump. That is not the case with Matt Gaetz. Matt Gaetz is somebody, again, who's been the subject of political witch hunts.

is going to be more motivated and more knowledgeable than anybody else on how to stop that crap from being turned loose on the American people as it has been at DOJ. I got to tell you, Thomas, you make me feel much better. I mean, I know you. I know your integrity. I know what you believe, and we're friends. Hearing you give some testimony here on Matt Gaetz and what's been going on in his life is very heartening. Thank you for that.

Well, you know, there are some appointments where we're going to be scratching our heads and saying, can we really trust that person? Is that person, they have a connection to the Cheney's and the Bush's. Are they deep state? Matt Gates, I can assure you has none of those connections. If he did, he wouldn't have been prosecuted like he's been. How do you feel about Tulsi Gabbard, you know, being DNI? I've only got about 30 seconds, 45 seconds. Love it. Yeah.

Again, this is touching the red wire to the black wire. She's one of the people who was targeted and put on a watch list. Who better to have go clean up the watch list than Tulsi Gabbard?

Do they have teams that have to come in with them? Because, I mean, I'd hate to be DNI all by myself. Oh, they'll be under secretaries and lawyers and things they'll need to bring in, too. Thomas Massey, thank you so much. The Republican from Kentucky, actually. He's a libertarian. Let me talk to you about good ranchers. This year, we have a lot to be thankful for.

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is joining us. He's in town for that. And Justin, you know, I usually come in on the first day and freak everybody out. I usually walk in and the whole place is in tears. So like everywhere else you go. Yeah, writing suicide notes. I'm going to freak them out this year because I am so optimistic on what I'm seeing. I think we are on the verge of a golden era. If

The left behaves itself. And if all of these appointments that Trump is making are really well thought out,

And they have an agenda in front of them. They know what their target is when they first walk in. Right. What do you think of the appointment so far? Okay. So, so far, I've been a little confused by some of that. Yeah. Okay. Me too. A little confused. But then last night I was thinking about it really carefully. And I realized there is a very clear strategy here, I think.

On the one hand, you have some appointments like Marco Rubio at State and Elsie Stefanik for UN ambassador that are more conventional picks. Correct. They also happen to be in the departments where I don't think Trump has had as much trouble in the past.

Then you have the Matt Gaetz pick, and you have Kristi Noem at DHS, and you have some of these others that you look at and you're like, this does not seem conventional at all. At all. At all. I don't think they're there to manage those departments. I think they're there to have a flamethrower and put the flamethrower to them. I think so, too. And that makes me so happy. Yeah.

I am not in a chaotic way, not in a chaotic way because they, we, we need, well, we don't need DHS in my opinion. Um, uh, but we need the department of justice. Yes. Uh, but we need to take a flamethrower. We need to just, you know, it's so corrupt when you're, when you're doing building or you're, you're tearing stuff down, you either throw it into a giant, uh,

garbage bin that you rent for a month or you just pile it up in the backyard and you burn it all. Right. That's what we need. Yes, that's what we need. Sometimes burning things down is a good thing. Yeah. Okay. And so...

The problem with this, though, because what it signals, the good side of this is Trump is clearly going to war with the deep state. That's what this means. You don't choose Matt Gaetz and Kristi Noem and people like that unless your goal is, and the Doge department, like you don't do any of this unless you want to go to war with the deep state. That's great. I love that. The deep state's terrible. The problem with it is the deep state isn't just going to sit there and be destroyed. Oh, no. No, they're not. Oh, no. We are on the verge, I think.

of uh very very disturbing times when it comes to a propaganda war i really believe that that's where we're headed because the left is not just going to sit there and allow itself to be wiped out by elon musk and matt gates and people no they're going to fight back and we've seen what they've done in the past with russian collusion 1.0 with um all kinds of crazy things i mean we talk about in the book how

The Five Eyes. You know, the Five Eyes. This sort of alliance that was revealed by Edward Snowden and some others. And really revealed recently, again, to even be more disturbing...

Yes. When it comes to wiping people like Elon Musk out. And in the book, we talk about how these Five Eyes intelligence agencies from these different countries like the United Kingdom and New Zealand and Australia and America, they have this alliance where they're sharing data and they're sharing all this material they're collecting on people, how they had spied on world leaders within their own alliances. So, for example, Angela Merkel, who was the former head of Germany...

she had been spied on by the NSA on her phone and then they were sharing it amongst each other so if they're gonna do that to someone who's basically in agreement with them on everything

what are they going to do to the guy who's putting the torch to these whole departments? Oh, I know. I will tell you, Jack Kennedy has come to mind over and over and over again in the last 10 days for me. Yeah. Because I've never been a conspiracy theorist on the Kennedy thing. I've always been like, no, come on. It was just, you know, lone gunman. It might have been a lone gunman, but I believe the CIA is,

We just wound that guy up and he was doing the CIA's work because Jack was going to tear apart the CIA, tear apart the military industrial complex, stop the war. Does any of this sound familiar? Stop the wars.

That's what he wanted to do. And they killed him. You mentioned the other day on the air, I can't remember, it was a couple days ago or something, a story that came out recently about the Pentagon running war games on the Trump administration coming in and how to handle different situations that might come up.

Why are they doing? There is, why are they doing? There is clearly a massive conflict that's about to happen here between these two groups, the people who want to reform and get rid of the deep state and the people who are in the deep state and want to do everything they can to protect it.

And everyday Americans are going to be caught up in the midst of all of that. And that was the whole point of writing this book, Propaganda Wars. It was the whole point was we wanted to prepare people for the insanity that's coming down the road. Now, we didn't necessarily think it was going to play out like this with a landslide victory for Trump and everything like that. But, you know, I feel so optimistic right now. And I think that's another miracle from God. I mean, how long have you known me? Have you ever seen me go?

Oh, we're all going to be fine. No, this is the happiest I've seen you in five years. This is the happiest he's sent me since 1997, I think. It's very disturbing. Yeah. So we have a real opportunity. What I haven't gone into is what you just did. It's going to come at a very high cost. Yes. They're not going...

Do you know just the amount, the trillions of dollars that are in play here? Do you know the power that will be trading hands here? This is taking down everything that Woodrow Wilson and FDR and Johnson did to our country.

That's entrenched power and money. To take that on is not going to be a picnic. No. They're not going to go, well, you know, they won the election. Right. Right. And propaganda wars, the whole point of this is to help people understand that

how to differentiate the lies from the truth, the propaganda from what's real, but also how to fight back against it, to do your own investigative research. You have to. To make you a part of the solution, to help you fight back against it, because it's not going to be as simple as, oh, well, Trump won, so I guess that means everything is great. No, no, no. That is fantastic that this has happened the way that it has, but a lot of work is needed, and not just by Trump, and not just about...

from the administration, but from everyday people. Yeah, everyday people. You know...

In the book, Propaganda Wars, we lay out how we decide what's true and what's not or the work that we do. And, you know, it's funny because when you put a book like this together, you're like, I am because I do this for a living every day. I'm like, we've talked about this for so long. You know, is this new information or not? And we go back and forth. And Sarah, who's been my board up since 2008.

Four? Three? 2003. She listened to the book on tape and she's like, that was a fantastic...

Part of the book, and it's like 80% of it, but it's showing how to do your own homework. And I was shocked. You know, I realized Sarah hasn't listened to a word I've said in 21 years. No, but it is. It's all in one place. And, you know, I wrote to Stu the other day and I said, what the hell is this? And it was a video between Elon Musk and Tucker Carlson.

And I'm watching it and I'm like, what the hell? Because Tucker says, OK, so what are you doing? And he said, and Elon Musk is I'm going to give away 20 billion dollars in the next seven days or something like that.

and or 20 million, something like that. And he says, but you have to act in the next two days. And Tucker says, okay, well, where do you go? Go to Elon 30. Okay. I'm not going to give, you know, here's the address. And, and so, and Tucker says, well, I'm going there.

So I'm like, this, what is this? I went to the website and nothing made sense. It was, hey, give us one fraction of your Bitcoin and we'll give you that fraction back. Plus we'll double it. And I'm like, okay, that sounds like a scam. But how many people, because you watched the video and it absolutely, I swore it was them.

I mean, you've written books about this. You've talked about it for years and you went to the website. Can you imagine what like the average person is doing scrolling their feed? Yeah, that's terrifying. Absolutely. And that's the thing that really concerns me. Yes. Because you will get, you know, you want to take Matt Gaetz out of DOJ.

You just get the Intel community to do a deep fake, you know, with him and a 14-year-old girl. Everyone will believe it because there it is. It's on video. Right. What, you're not going to believe your eyes? No. Yeah. No, perhaps not. Right. And it's going to cause chaos like crazy. And they are going to do things...

like that they have to yeah because their survival is at stake yeah so we don't know exactly what's coming but we want people to be prepared for everything so this is an this is a conservative activist manual how you protect yourself how you fight back join in the fight that's what propaganda wars is all about yeah make sure you grab a copy of propaganda wars and um you can get the um

You can get my audio book as well. You'll find everything you need at glensnewbook.com. glensnewbook.com. Well, thank you for giving me just a little bit of my pessimism back. You're welcome. That's why you bring me in, honestly. No, I know. Honestly, it is. I'm doing my best to...

to stay really optimistic, to give people the benefit of the doubt, and to take this time personally, and I think everybody should do this, personally, to read, to read your scriptures, read Propaganda Wars so you know how to prepare yourself for

But also enjoy this time. This was a miracle that happened. And I think this time is a miracle. It is. We're in the eye of the hurricane. Everything looks like sunny skies. We're past it. The next wall coming towards us is going to be worse than the first wall.

And that will probably start January 20th. That's right. Thank you so much. Thanks. Appreciate you bet. Name of the book is propaganda wars, wherever books are sold. Jace medical is our sponsor. It's a nice thought that here in the next few months, you know, we won't have to be worrying quite as much about, you know, the devil coming and taking our children out of school and,

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Glenn's newsletter is free and full of useful info delivered every day right to your inbox. Sign up at glennbeck.com. Welcome to the Glenn Beck program. So, Stu, President Biden invited President Trump in to the Oval Office yesterday, and they were buddies.

I mean, it was almost like, hey, man, I voted for you. I just want you to know. It did sort of feel that way. It did. And I don't know that he would have voted. Maybe he would have. But it definitely feels like there's a legitimate like –

you know what? Screw you people. You threw me out of this job and now I'm the only person who beat him. Yeah. And now you look what you get. Right. There's a little bit of that. Listen, this is what happened. Well, Mr. President, elect and former president. Thank you. Congratulations. Thank you. And, uh, looking forward to having a, like we said, smooth transition to everything we can make sure you're accommodating what you need.

We're going to get a chance to talk about some of that today. They are both, if you look at the picture, they are both leaning towards each other and open to each other. In many cases, not a very nice world, but it is a nice world today, and I appreciate it very much. A transition that's so smooth, it'll be as smooth as it can get, and I very much appreciate it. They were friends.

Meanwhile, Elon and Vivek are moving along to cut the size of this government way down, way down. Yeah. And they've been I think it was a vague that posted something about all the Supreme Court rulings recently that kind of justify the stuff they're planning to do. Yeah. And look, this is a serious effort.

So what is your take on this? Are they, because the mandate goes until July 4th, 26 for the 250th anniversary. And I heard it portrayed today as their report has to come out by then. Now,

If their report doesn't come out by then, we're screwed. Oh, yeah. I hope that they're – I hope this is an ongoing process. It's not like, oh, we're going to build to one big report and then that's all going to get lost in one news cycle. I hope they start immediately. Department to department to department to department, right? Yeah, we're coming for it. Find that way, cut it out. Mm-hmm.

That would be the better way to go. And they've talked about that. They talked about it. Vivek, I believe, talked about having real transparency, or maybe it was Elon, talking about how they're going to tweet these things all the time. They're going to have an updated list of the things that they're doing all the time. That's fantastic. That's great. And I will tell you, if they do it by department and they just say, okay, Defense Department and now the Justice Department,

self-deportation will be a word that is used inside the beltway. People will just start going, oh man, I'm getting out now. They'll take their gigs at law firms and everything else and get out of town. They'll get out of town. That's true. So I guess that works. And we'll find how much it works on the deep state. It's already working in Mexico. People are already leaving. Mexico is now saying, well, we're going to have a problem with all these people. Really? Didn't seem to mind it.

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