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You know, security was with Secret Service. So not only forgery and bank fraud and fugitives, but also the security around the president of the United States. And he believes we are in for possibly a rough winter here. Richard, welcome to the program.

Well, thank you very much for having me, sir. You bet. You bet. Thank you so much. So can you give us the threat that you see coming?

Well, you know, Glenn, I don't think I said anything that most people hadn't surmised to begin with about the deficiencies and the shortcomings of the Secret Service and how they've allowed their political feelings to compromise the mission of the Secret Service and providing the adequate level of protection for President Trump. Right. Right. It is. It is. I think it's more than obvious to two real bad guys or evildoers, as W would have put it, that.

Every incident that's gone on that involved President Trump since he was shot in Butler, to include the incident with the guy on the golf course, the Chinese national walking onto the Mar-a-Lago property, other incidents, people are watching these things and they're viewing them as a test of the response of the Secret Service. And I've got to tell you, from a law enforcement, from a Secret Service perspective,

The Secret Service has not fulfilled their primary mission. They've simply allowed way too many things to happen that could have ended in total tragedy. And were it not but for a millimeter in Butler, we'd be having a much different conversation about who the next president is going to be. So, Richard, I have...

I've actually begged to testify against the Secret Service in Congress because I have firsthand knowledge of things that I have done and how I've been able to approach the president without anybody looking into me and my team with guns. I mean, it's crazy. However, in the last few, well, probably the last two months, maybe,

The Secret Service is at least for a layman like me all over it. I've never seen security like what's happening right now with Donald Trump.

Never. And that's that's partly right. Right. The optics now has gotten a lot better. But the problem is and this is just by virtue of the acting director's most recent testimony where he continually says in full view of the public that they're lacking the adequate manpower and resources to do this job. So a real bad guy interprets that as, OK, let's take a look and see what's going on. And yes, yes.

The people that are around President Trump have been pulled much closer. It is more difficult to get closer to them. All that simply means that these organized groups need to pull back their perimeter. Look what happened at the event in Vegas before the election. A guy in a car or a truck was allowed to drive within a quarter of a mile. Turns out he was a Trump supporter, but he was stopped by the local sheriff's office.

hey, what if that truck had been loaded with explosives? He got close enough to cause tremendous damage to that building and bring the roof down. And yet, even at a quarter of a mile, he never encountered a federal agent, let alone a Secret Service agent. The Secret Service is not providing the presidential level of protection that they need to to President Trump. And they're masking that because they're saying, well, he was a former president. Now they're saying, well, he's not inaugurated yet.

So consequently, you left the guy who's target number one on everyone's hit list not as protected as he should be. Yet you're providing 40 or so protective details to members of the Biden crime family to include crackhead, non-taxpaying Hunter Biden. And this is a big problem. You don't have manpower. Why are you providing protective details to the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Homeland Security, the President?

Kareem Jean-Pierre, Admiral Kirby, and I could go on and on for another 20 people. Kareem Jean-Pierre has Secret Service protection?

Oh, this has been going on for a long time. There are almost 40 protective details that are being worked out of the White House. Not all of them are done by statute that involve the Biden family. There are people that are being given one or two agents and are driven to work back and forth under the guise of, well, you know, it's in the best interest of national security. You can't tell me that isn't a conscious decision by the Biden administration to subvert

resources away from where they should have been allocated to president Trump. Now, can I, can I push back again, Richard on this only because you're a pro at this. I'm a layman, but I have been around presidents, you know, since Reagan and I remember the secret service around Reagan. It was intense. When I was at Mar-a-Lago just what last week,

I mean, I've never seen anything like it. And in fact, I said to my wife, I think all of the taxes that I will pay in my entire life will not cover the bill of all of this apparatus and all of these people protecting the president. And I pay a lot in taxes. I mean, I can't imagine...

what real security would look like. So what is it you think they're missing? Well, what they're missing is the secret part of the Secret Service that you don't see, right? The fact that you've got to go through all these metal detectors and pass through this cordon of Secret Service agents, that's part of it. But the other part of it is things like, where's the air assets?

Right, for years the Secret Service has been using a helicopter airborne asset. Well since Igor Sikorsky invented helicopters, right? By doing that you put people in the air, you've demonstrated the ability to have secure communications amongst the personnel onboard that helicopter, and you've allowed the service to extend their perimeter

out much, much further. What the service is doing now is nice. That'll stop the guy with the handgun. That'll stop the guy from getting in close, but that's not going to stop the organized threat. And it's the organized threat. That's a really, really big concern here today, right? Now with the nation state or the cartels, they don't need to get that close. They just need to know where he is and take a building down. And that's the concern. So there's two, there's two things that concern me. Um,

and you having experience with department of Homeland security would, would recognize this immediately. I am, I mean, I see the way his plane down in Florida, it was protected by rows of old school buses. Okay. They just park them all around his plane. That didn't seem, I mean, that seemed a little like, I don't know, like how Venezuela might do it. Um, but, uh,

I know that it probably is not that hard for a cartel or someone to get a rocket launcher across the border. And the president's plane does not have what is it? Chaff or chaff countermeasures. That's countermeasures doesn't have any of that. So I'm worried about that. And I am worried that we do have.

really bad drug cartel people in the country and people from several countries who wish us death that could get those rocket launchers. So is Department of Homeland Security, are they working with the Secret Service at all to find that? Because I don't hear that. I heard that right after the first shooting and then I haven't heard anything about it since.

- No, and no one's heard anything from the Department of Homeland Security. This guy, Alejandro Mayorkas has turned out to be the biggest empty suit I think I've ever seen in the federal government, right? The military assets that should be afforded President Trump, and I understand, listen, okay, he's not the inaugurated president yet, totally irrelevant. If something happens to President Trump, it has cataclysmic effects for the entire world, let alone the United States. The military assets need to be turned on. And who can turn them on?

President Joe Biden, but he's not going to do that. You cannot surround Trump Force One, which I know that's how he likes to refer to it, with school buses or dump trucks. You need jets. You

You need military jets, do you not? That's exactly right. There's military jets. There's countermeasures that can be put on the aircraft. There's classified programs that can be employed and are employed for the sitting president of the United States. They're designed to make sure that somebody doesn't lob a missile at the direction of that plane or fly a drone into the protected airspace and so on and so forth. And these assets are not being used.

because he's not the sitting president yet. This is total nonsense. They've left this guy wide open to something happening between now and the inauguration. And are you worried that that's what you're really worried about is these next 40 days?

Well, it's the next 40 days, but it's also the next four years, right? How can someone be a Secret Service agent and not go to work every day with the mindset, hey, I've got to stop the Mujahideen from coming over the wall today. I've got to be thinking about what is the biggest cataclysmic effect that can possibly happen and design my protective security net, my site to thwart that.

Anything less than that and you're fooling yourself and you should not be a Secret Service agent. In the old days, that just wouldn't happen. So I know that Donald Trump, he's a guy who grew up going to church with Norman Vincent Peale. So he is a positive thinker. He doesn't like to speak things like this. And he has said to me, he said to the American people, and he has said to me privately that

I am very comfortable with the people who are around me, the Secret Service. They're doing their job, blah, blah, blah. And he won't talk about any of the security at all, ever, even privately. In fact, I brought it up and I said, hey, I'm really concerned. He said, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to. Don't speak things into existence.

So he is I don't know where he actually stands on this, but he seems to be happy with it. What is the one thing he who should he have in that could clean this thing up? I keep thinking Dan Bongino, but Bongino's I don't think going to do it. Who should he put in to clean this up?

Because it really needs to be cleaned up. The entire Secret Service. He needs somebody that has the one, the ability to walk into a room and command the respect of

of the field, right? This guy that's in there now certainly doesn't have that, right? And that became monumentally evident when that congressman during last week's hearing produced that photo of the acting director sitting behind President Biden at the September 11th events, right? That wasn't coincidence. Somebody sent him that picture. No, no, no, you know where that picture came from? You know where that picture came from? The guy's wife.

She was taking photographs of all of that. So she was the photographer on it. And everybody had their taped position. And his position was way behind. It wasn't even close. Yep. No, that's exactly right. And she's a Secret Service employee, by the way.

his wife, I don't know if that's commonly known, but the guy should not have been there. That was all about the optics of putting himself in the proverbial photo, right? So put that aside. But to answer your question, you need somebody that will have the respect of the rank and file, somebody that's been there and has done these things, right? You also need somebody, and this is where it gets a little more difficult, that has been out of the government, say for a decade or so, that has the business acumen

To be able to deal with an organization that has 7,000 employees. We're pretty sure it's got 7,000. No one can give me an exact number. And a budget of $3.5 billion. That is a huge number. You need someone that can appreciate how big of a number that is. And the current...

policy of the secret service continually promoting secret service agents that have background in sociology and police science into positions where they're managing that kind of a budget, that doesn't work. It's unacceptable.

The current director has asked for an additional $2 billion. You need $5.5 billion to do this job? You have one mission, and they can't get it done. So ultimately, hey, the guys, listen, I've been asked who I would recommend. I've given some names. They've got them. I've given a list of, hey, here's the things you need to do to get that agency back to where it was, to achieve that level of greatness. Right.

All this other stuff that they're... Go ahead, sir. No, no, no. I don't mean to cut you off. I have to hit a network break here. Understood. Let me just say this, Richard. Would you do me a favor? Would you stay in touch with us as you see the names being narrowed down and you see who is nominated?

Could you give us a heads up? I'd love to have you back on. And, of course, any time that you see, I'd love a list of what you think has to be done at the Secret Service. I mean, I think one of the biggest problems with the Secret Service is their budget. And what I mean by that is that's all they rely on. It's almost as if they don't put their brains in gear. They just are like, spend the money. We've got the equipment. Well, what about you?

What about you as an individual?

That's right. There's no foresort or predictive way that they spend this money. If this were the private sector, I would fire everyone. Every single one of them. Positions. One last question, Richard. Handling money. One last question. One last question. And I've got to I've got to run. But can the president ever hire additional security outside if he wanted security? Because I've said to him, you should get Gavin DeBecker. Can can he do that?

Is that allowed? He can't do that by by by statute back to 1901. Right. The Secret Service has to afford the president protection. But there's nothing that says he can't hire his additional protection. And the Secret Service is going to have to work with that, whether they like it or not. Yeah, that would change everything that would get their butts in gear.

I think. But they need somebody to go in there and just fire people. They do. And I'd start with the leadership and let's redo it. And I'd be more than happy to do that for them. Are you throwing your name in?

you know look i i've had this discussion with the president and with the trump family before i said i can come down there i will walk you through whoever you're most comfortable with making the director of the secret service i will clean house and get them back to where they need to be and get you started you'll have the most secure environment as possible and i'm certainly not going to my answer is not going to be well i've got to put you behind glass like you're working the counter at white castle i know that's ridiculous this isn't venezuela

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Go to glennbeckchristmas.com. glennbeckchristmas.com. Stu, I'd like to play a little game with you. Okay. Hey, because I've got three stories that scare the living poop right out of me. Nicely put. Well, when you hear them, just the headlines, you'll be like, ooh, I might have to wet myself. But instead of being all doom and gloom, let's play a game. Which one makes the poop come out of you? What? This is not a well-thought-out title. Ed?

I know it's... Which one makes you want to poop your pants? Okay, that's a little bit better. All right, here you go. The other one was just disturbing. Yeah, I know. Here's the first one. The United States government has lost trillions...

of dollars and they don't know what happened to them. Oh, no. Okay. It happens to everybody. Sure, like the White House can't find $6.2 billion sent to Ukraine. Where did I put that $6.2 billion? Or my favorite, the U.S. Treasury...

which I believe is kind of like the accountant's office of the US. Okay, yeah. Right. They're unable to track $5 trillion just from the pandemic spending. Just the $5 trillion? Just the $5 trillion. Okay, so that's not $10 trillion. No, it's not. Not $80 trillion. Okay, so headline number two. Australian lab reports losing 323 deadly virus samples. Okay.

Just the 323, though. Little poop, little poop, little pee, just a little bit. I just wish we wouldn't. And this one. In a war against China, the U.S. runs out of missiles in a matter of weeks, according to the House Committee. Yeah. Which one was that? Which one makes you go, wah, in your pants? I have to say, I think the third one is... China? Yeah. Although the disease one...

323. Remember, you know, they're already talking about pandemic X. Oh yeah. Disease X. Disease X. Okay. Calm down, kids. I don't even know what it's going to be, but it's going to be bad. We're calling it disease X. Get your mask on now. It's the problem with how they handled COVID. Yeah. It's like now no one's even going to believe a disease X threat if it happens. Um,

I actually am concerned about the pandemic stuff. We've talked about that for years, way before COVID, about how that's a legitimately huge risk. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I got to tell you, if Fauci is pardoned by Joe Biden, why are you pardoned? For future crimes?

for future crimes. Biden... Well, they're going to say... I mean, their argument is that Trump is going to say he's going to come after him. Wait a minute. But wouldn't every... He worked with Fauci. I know. It's a very strange... He worked with Fauci. The alliances are odd. All of the stuff that's coming out shows that Fauci knew and covered up. Our government and China...

are both complicit. Now, I don't know how deep and I don't want to go into it. Let's let a fair trial happen. But they knew and they covered up and millions died. I don't know.

I don't think there should be a pardon for that one. I don't think there's any chance Donald Trump's going after Anthony Fauci if he's in office. Do you? Is that a you do? I do. I don't know. I there are too many people in Congress and in the Senate that have had it. I mean, I agree with Paul is Rand Paul hates Anthony Fauci for good reason. I'm not saying it's not for good reason, but

Rand Paul was, let's say, very skeptical about the vaccine throughout the development. Donald Trump sees it as one of his great accomplishments in office.

Donald Trump was on stage with Anthony Fauci when the words 15 days to slow the spread were said. He also is the guy who just pointed RFK. When RFK walks into his office and says, this has got to stop. But when it comes to a criminal, it's one thing I think. I know. When it comes to a criminal investigation, you're opening up not only Fauci, but...

All sorts of people who worked with you, who had the best of intentions. Why do you think I'm worried about the Secret Service so much? I mean, when he starts to go in, I mean, think of...

The literal, I just told you, where did we put that $5 trillion? Think of the money that is involved in this. Trillions of dollars throughout all of this. How much of that is just in people's pockets that shouldn't be in people's pockets? How many people have done things that they should not have done that are really, really bad?

You're dealing with the intelligence agencies, the FBI, the Department of Justice, let alone the pharmaceutical companies, just plain old business people. You've got a lot of very powerful people that are like, wait a minute. Okay. Yes, I'm worried about because my name is all over the Epstein book. But wait, you're doing what else? You're looking into what else?

I mean, it is a cesspool. It's going to get dangerous. It's going to get very, very, very, very dangerous. It's going to be interesting. I do think they will go after some of these people they've been talking about. I don't know what the line is there. Like going after Cheney, for example. I don't think he's going to go after Cheney. I don't think he's going to do that. No, he's not. So, okay. No, I don't think he's going after that. I'm trying to think of who's the example of the person. Who's someone you think they will go after?

Outside of who we've spoken about already. Like someone you think is... Yeah, so I can't tell you names of people. I just think that when it comes down to it, like all of the people that were involved in...

you know, Russia, Russia, Russia, that's just all going to come out. Yeah. That stuff feels more likely to me than it's going to be. Yeah. It's going to be, uh, an X files. They'll just release all of these files of everything that's been over classified. And that stuff seems more likely to me than necessarily, uh,

him using the Justice Department to go after crimes. Right. If he finds crimes, I think he's going to go after them, which seems to be consistent with his statements. Correct, but I don't think he's going to. He's not going to target people in advance. I keep hearing that now. There's no way. I just don't believe it. I've talked to him too many times. He has said for months, I'll say, wow, what do you think about that? You know what?

You know what our best revenge is?

absolute and total success. Yeah. He said that just the other day in that interview. It's consistent. He is not doing that. And the media is going with a lower and lower standard of truth with this. I know, I know. Like it started out with like he's going to prosecute people he believes committed crimes. Right. Which is kind of what he said. Right. Right. Like he actually, not all people, as we saw with Hillary Clinton, he believes she committed crimes and didn't go after her.

But then it became he's going after his enemies. Right. Then it became he's going after his political enemies. Then it became he was going he's going to go after his political opponents. The latest one I heard was he's going after his critics. His critics? You what? 48% of the country? He's not like it's so insane. Like he's not going after just random critics.

I believe he's going to instruct, and he says he's not even going to instruct. And I believe that, too. I believe he'll have a layer of separation there. But he's hiring people he believes will go after criminals. People he thinks committed crimes. And then there's, by the way, a justice system. Yes.

Yes. Right, Glenn? Did I miss that they get rid of that? No. Can the president just say, well, you need to go in jail and you need to go in jail? No. You'd have to go through a trial and then there would be challenges and everything else against that. And those trials would be in Washington, D.C. Which probably wouldn't go all that well for whatever Republican wanted them to go well. Correct. So, all right. So let me just quickly go through these other, because I have something that I want to talk to you about that is...

So obvious, but so controversial. And I've got to find time to squeeze it in because there's something that is happening with both the Daniel Penny story and Luigi.

That has to be said, and I haven't heard anybody connect these two and say what has to be said on that. And so I'm going to try to squeeze that in maybe next hour, but we've got a jam-packed show today that you just don't want to miss. Let me go back over those other two stories. The Australian lab losing that. I don't know how you even lose them. I mean, how?

We talked about the money thing. That's something that I think that Doge is going to clean up and better. The last one in a war against China, the U.S. runs out of missiles in a matter of weeks. I think personally that this is what Ukraine this is one of the things the Ukraine is about depleting our.

missiles, depleting our ability to defend ourselves, depleting even that's they never refilled the strategic oil reserve. That all has to still be done. That's crazy. It's crazy. It's the lowest ever. Now we can't defend ourselves because we don't have, you know, we don't have certain kinds of rockets and missiles and everything else. It's not that.

So I personally believe that that is strategic to weaken us in the world. However, it's also the military industrial complex saying, great, go ahead. You guys in BlackRock, you can rebuild Ukraine. You can take their farmland in exchange, which they've all done. And then we're going to have to restock at a much higher price because

All everything that we have to have for, you know, the U.S. military, because it's going to be clear we have to have these things. OK, that's what I think is going on. But let me take a a more optimistic view of that. Is it possible that there is someone who's saying everything's got to go? I've been telling you for a while. Aircraft carriers are the horses of World War One. There were almost no horses left in Europe. Did you know that?

Almost no horses left because they all went into battle and there were tanks and there were machine guns and there were things that nobody had ever seen. And all of these horses died, left literally almost no horses in Europe after World War I. I think that's the aircraft carrier in the next global war. The next big war, those aircraft carriers are going to be swarmed by drones. Everything that we have is outdated.

I'm wondering if part of this in a positive way is let's get rid of all of this stuff because we have to rebuild. Now I prefer we didn't do that. I prefer that we were honest with the American people and we told the American people we have to completely retool. Um, because if you're not transparent, then that leads to conspiracy theories and it also leads to very bad things. Um,

But there is a possibility that that's what we're doing because the next war that is going to be fought is not going to be fought like anything we've ever seen before. It's going to involve artificial intelligence. It'll probably involve robotics, you know, actual on the ground robots and drones in the sky.

And it will be terrifying. It will be as shocking and as terrifying as World War I was because that was the time where we all of a sudden mechanized everything and nobody had ever seen that. This is going to be the one where it's mechanization with significant intelligence that will just overwhelm everything old. All right, back in just a minute, let me talk to you about Mantis X.

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Why do we have this? Is it the right thing? And how do you pardon somebody who hasn't been charged with anything? We also have Alan Dershowitz on. I'm going to ask him a little bit about that, but also about Daniel Penny and some of the other court cases that are going on. Are we...

How do we turn a corner back to sanity? It feels like we've done that. It feels to me like the, you know, scream race and, you know, you automatically go to jail. It seems like that showed an ending of some sort with the Daniel Penny case. But I also want to take some time this half hour or this hour, if I can squeeze it in,

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The most important lawyer in my lifetime, maybe in the last hundred years, Alan Dershowitz. He's a Harvard Law School professor emeritus. He is also the host of his podcast, The Dershow. And we wanted to get him on to talk a little bit about Daniel Penny and a few other things. Hello, Alan. How are you?

Hi, first of all, would you please send my very best to Senator Lee? His father and I were co-clerks together 60 years ago in the Supreme Court. And we had lunch together every day. Why? Because he was a Mormon and couldn't have coffee. And I was an Orthodox Jew and couldn't have almost anything. We had a separate table and we would we would.

schmooze and talk about everything. And his father, you know, Rex, who was the solicitor general was a great, great man. And I think Senator Lee is a great man too. And I hope he plays a major, major role in the coming administration. I tell you, I hope he becomes a Supreme court justice. I, I, I think he is, he truly cares about,

about what the founders meant and about the Constitution. I mean, everything he does, it's all based in the Constitution. I will definitely pass it on. And it's based on his father. I can tell you that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. His father was an amazing constitutional scholar, the dean of Brigham Young Law School. You know, the guy was, he would have been the greatest Supreme Court justice. Unfortunately, he died very young. Yeah.

So, Alan, first of all, how have you been? I know that, you know, when you you said I think you came out and said you couldn't vote for Joe Biden. I know I know things got really ugly for you. Have things gotten better at all for you?

Well, I'm in Florida now. Everybody loves me in Florida. As long as I'm not on Martha's Vineyard, I'm doing great. You know, Manhattan is split. Half the people come up to me and yell and scream at me, and half the people will come up to me and tell me how much they admire me. I wear a hat in New York saying, proud American Zionist. And, you know, I get

People talk to me about that as well. So, you know, when people come up to me and say, I hate you, I never know. Is it for Trump? Is it for Israel? Is it who I represent? I never know. I just know they hate me, but I don't know why. I love that. That's what happens when you're a controversial lawyer. Yeah. So let's start with Daniel Penny. Before you do that, I want to wait after I get off the air. I want to hear you defend Black Lives Matter.

because I don't know if you heard yesterday, the head of Black Lives Matter turned to Penny in the courtroom and said, hey, buddy,

this is a small world. And then he went outside and he talked about, uh, strangling people and being violent. Uh, I'm not such a big fan of black lives matter. So I'm not a fan of, I can't defend what he said personally, uh, to Daniel Penny, but when he said, uh,

What would happen? You know, they there's no justice, no peace. What would happen? Maybe we should start, you know, killing people every time they oppress us. I believe that's constitutionally protected speech. It is ugly. It is awful.

But what is that test called? The Brandenburg test. Yeah, no, look, I agree with you. If you said it in front of a crowd of people that were surrounding white people,

then it would be an incitement. But if he said it in the abstract in an interview, it's just despicable and disgusting. It reminds me of what Justice Brennan once said. Justice Brennan, who ordered an opinion saying it's constitutionally protected to burn the American flag, and he was asked, what would you do if you saw somebody burning an American flag? And Justice Brennan, who was about five foot three tall, he said, I'd walk up to him and I'd

punch him in the mouth, and then I defend his constitutional rights.

So that is, so let me ask you, because we've had a debate here before we went on the air where I told Stu, I said, I think I'm going to use this as an example because people, they always say, oh, you know, speech has limits and, you know, you can't cry, you know, fire in a crowd. Yes, you can, unless it leads to, you know, a stampede. Or is likely. Is likely. Is likely to, right. Doesn't have to lead, but it is likely.

legally right now i think you're right and i think you're right also from a conservative point of view to be defending free speech for all we can write in a world in which is free speech for me but not for the exactly right dependent the right of palestinian kids to put up a flag

Palestinian flag to commemorate the death of Yasser Arafat. And then when they put up the flag, I defended them and I got them to be able to put up the flag. I hated that. And then I got up there and I said, when Yasser Arafat died, it's too bad his death was untimely. If he had only died four years earlier, he might have had a resolution in the Middle East. So I'm with you on a very expansive view of free speech. Do you think we're moving forward?

I sense a shift that maybe some of this craziness is that we're waking up to it. You feel that way? I wish you were right. I hope you're right. Not on the left. The left is so good.

self-righteous. They think that free speech, due process, the right to counsel was written for them. And they have Professor Lawrence Tribe of Harvard Law School defending them. Tribe believes the Constitution was written to promote the Democratic Party. And every constitutional issue he's involved in, you know what his position is going to be. Is it good for the Democrats? If it's good for the Democrats, if it's good for the left, if it's good for the radicals,

then the constitutional framers intended it. And if it's bad for them, wow, that's not what the Constitution is. No, we can't have that approach to constitutional law. I don't think we're gaining any ground on university campuses, but I think we are gaining ground in the general public. And I think maybe the penny result shows that. I think from a

Penny, I think the Chauvin case in Minneapolis might have been decided a little differently today than it was years ago when he was convicted and still is in jail. I was thrilled by the verdict in the Penny case, and I think it sent a powerful message. I also think that the hung jury, you know, I thought the hung jury

First might have been 6-6, 5-7, you know. But obviously, the quick verdict on Monday morning suggests that the hungness on Friday was probably 10-2 or 11-1 in favor of acquittal. And so I think that, look, that case never should have been brought.

and the district attorney should not be the district attorney. He should be defeated. He not only brought this case, he brought that made-up case against Donald Trump. And now he wants to prevent Donald Trump from appealing by saying, well, we're going to put the sentence off for four years. We're going to hold the sword of Damocles over your head for four years. I'm going to be able to campaign for office saying,

I got a conviction against Donald Trump and he didn't get it reversed on appeal. And, and I think it's, it's disgusting. He's the worst district attorney in my lifetime in New York history. Remember that's an office that had Thomas Dewey that had Hogan that had Morgenthau that had size answer. And now it has Alvin Bragg. Oh my God. So let me, so let me ask you, because we were talking about what he did on Friday and what the judge allowed to

You have to have, if you have a hung jury on the first count, you can't move to the second count. It's a hung jury and you have to have a retrial, right? It's a mistrial.

unless the defense asks for it or consents to it, which often happens, but it didn't happen in this case. And so he dismissed the higher count and allowed the jury to deliberate the lower count. Look, in the end, that was good for Penny. Yes. Because there's no, you know, there's double jeopardy now. He can't be tried on either counts.

because the first count was dismissed. It wasn't hung, it was dismissed. And that means it's jeopardy. And the second, it was an acquittal. So he's free. There's a civil lawsuit against him, but he'll win that civil lawsuit. It'll probably never get past the motion of dismiss because the person bringing it was a father who had nothing to do with the son. He had no relationship with the son. He became the father only after the killing in order to gain publicity from it.

So he has basically no standing.

I don't think he has real standing to bring the lawsuit and what's his damages. Um, you know, it's very hard to figure out what they are. And moreover, the jury found that there was no causation of death. There was no, uh, there was justification. So I, I, I don't think that, um, lawyers interested in the money or even a publicity at this point are going to want to bring that case forward. I think it will be dropped. It's not like the OJ case where, uh,

clearly there was a strong civil case after he was acquitted and they won the civil case, although they never collected any money.

Let me ask you, let me switch to politics here. There are things like I believe Anthony Fauci should be investigated. They've already investigated him in Congress, but it should go through a court of law. And if he is found to have done the things that we now believe he did, there should be some sort of penalty for him and anybody else that was involved. I don't care right, left, Republican, Democrat, whatever.

We cannot allow this kind of stuff to happen. Now, Biden is, they suspect, and so we're just speculating here, that he may pardon him in advance. Is that even possible? Before you're charged? Richard Nixon was pardoned in advance by Ford, not only before he was charged, but before there was even any

criminal investigation. He was charged, he was pardoned, and the pardon power, as you said in your introduction, why do we have a kingly pardon power? It's the only remnant of the British rule over the United States. There's nothing else in the Constitution which so emulates the absolute power of kings that

right and the power to pardon and commute it's without restrictions and it's without the need to explain and by the way you don't even need a document as soon as uh president biden said i pardoned my son that act was completed and by the way you don't have to accept the pardon even if you reject the pardon and by the way there are some people who have already said that if trump

pardons me or if Biden pardons me, I'm going to reject the pardon because a pardon makes it sound like I did something wrong. The Supreme Court under Oliver Wendell Holmes in about 1926 rendered a decision in a case called Biddle versus Petrovich, which said you can't reject the pardon. A pardon is an act of government. It's like immunity. If you're given immunity, you can't reject immunity. You have to testify if you're

If you're given immunity and if you're given a pardon, you also have to testify. So, you know, I think Biden made a big mistake by pardoning his son. He should have commuted the sentence by pardoning the son. He opens the son up to being asked any questions at all about his criminal background and about his association with anybody else, including his father.

Whereas if he gave only a commutation of the sentence, it would mean he doesn't go to jail for a single day, but he can still invoke his Fifth Amendment privilege. So I think it was a blunder on the part of President Biden, who was a lawyer but didn't understand the consequences of a pardon as distinguished from the consequences of a commutation. Do you think anybody's going to go after him, though?

I mean, because there's nothing politically to gain, but I think this is extraordinarily important on principle. We cannot have people selling the power of the office.

Look, I agree with you. And it's been part of politics for a long, long time. I have to tell you, I think Trump has a place in his heart, a warm spot in his heart for the Biden family. He showed some sympathy for Hunter Biden, for his addiction, for all of that. I don't think he's going to try to pile on now, you know, whether or not congressional committees vote.

call Biden and try to give him the choice of being held in contempt or perjury. That's a different question. But I don't think Trump's going to do it. I think he's going to move on. He wants to have a great four years. I want to help him have a great four years. You know, I'm not a Republican, but I'm a patriot. I want to see every American president succeed. I have helped every American president. I've consulted and advised them since Jimmy Carter and

And I will continue to do it. Any president ask for my help, done. I'm giving it.

That's the way it should be. Thank you so much, Alan. I really appreciate your friendship, and it's an honor to know you. It really is, to have you on the program. Well, you're a great man, and it's great to have a conservative who so believes in the Constitution and free speech. And again, send my best to Senator Lee. He's a great man. I will. Thanks. Alan Dershowitz, you can find him on The Dershowitz Show. The website is dershowitz.substack.com.

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I have not heard Alan Dershowitz swear before. I don't know if you notice because we don't know what it sounds like when we have to push the dump button, which we rarely ever have to do. But he was fired up. He was fired up. What was he talking about? Oh, how there's two sets of justice and the Democrats just keep...

on and having the Constitution play a role only when it benefits them. It's so infuriating. Yeah. I mean, we know we always see that with the the life argument where they're like, you know, we need to keep decisions on health care between a doctor and a patient. Wait a minute.

Wait a minute. What are you talking about? This is completely inconsistent with everything you've pushed on us over the past. I mean, if you were to argue the two biggest storylines coming from the left over the past, I don't know, decade or so, you'd have Obamacare and COVID. And they were enforcing all of the health care decisions. And then abortion.

And then abortion. The three. Right. And they don't agree. Right. It doesn't make any sense. It's crazy. But I can understand getting fired up about that. Yeah. Because I think what Dershowitz and like, you know, we don't agree with Alan, I think on a lot of stuff, decent amount of stuff. But like,

Like what he wants is consistency and principled consistency. Yeah. And that's not, that shouldn't be too much to ask for it. Today's world. It is, you know, what's really shocking is my interview with Anna Kasparian. Oh yeah. It's like from the young Turks. Yeah. It's going, it's viral gone. Really? I've seen a lot of coverage on it. I have to write her a note and say, sorry, because I know she's getting hammered on her side and she's just trying to tell the truth.

As she sees it. And we disagree with stuff, but it was a fascinating conversation because we didn't just look for the things we agreed on, but we also, I think both of us knew, you know, if we go a step further, we're going to have a serious argument, which we didn't necessarily need to have that first time we were meeting, but we did step into things where we really strongly disagree with each other. Yet we could have a conversation.

And, you know, she was saying, we should be able to have this conversation. I kept thinking this, you know, she's a lot younger than I am. This is the way America used to be. We could have these conversations with each other and you didn't disavow family for it. You disavowed family for actual legitimate reasons. Glenn Beck.

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You're doing great. Good to be with you as always, Glenn.

Please tell Mike Lee hello. I was a clerk with his father and we had lunch and he spoke so highly of your father and of his principles, etc., etc. And then it spiraled strangely into you. And he was like, and Mike is, you know, the apple doesn't fall from the tree, fall far from the tree. And I'm like, you don't know Mike personally. I do.

but he was so complimentary of you. And we both talked about, hopefully you will be a member on the Supreme court someday. It's pretty amazing. Well, that's kind of to say years, years ago when I was working on the Supreme court, I was looking, found a list of lock works who served during October term, 1963, when my dad was a lock work to justice white. And I saw that another one of the lock works that year for a different justice

was Alan Dershowitz. So I was pleased to discover that. Years later, when I met him, I asked him if he remembered my dad, and he said, oh, yeah, we were great friends. Anyway. Yeah, he said he had lunch with your dad all the time because he couldn't drink coffee.

coffee and uh and he as a jew couldn't eat anything else so they had lunch together all the time they were a good pair yeah they were they were um mike i want to talk to you uh about all of these pardons um first of all as dershowitz said you know it is the only kingly power we grant um

Has it always been used like it's being used now? I mean, I remember the first time I heard about it really was with Nixon. And then it was used for maybe, you know, a few pals, et cetera, et cetera. But my gosh, now it's, you know, pardoning for future crimes. And it's is this is this what it's supposed to be? And why do we have it?

Okay, so as to the reason why we have it, Alexander Hamilton provides one of the best explanations for that in Federalist Paperback.

paper number 74. sure read it and he argues that uh it's it's an absolutely essential tool for mitigating what he called the cruelty of the law remember that the federal prisoners those who have been convicted of a federal offense um it's an executive authority that keeps them in prison it's the president's job to execute the law uh

And so it operates as kind of a natural extension of the president's power to oversee that process. But this one goes a step further and allows the president even to officiate the underlying conviction or in some cases through the clemency power, take the lesser included step of reducing a sentence.

The idea here is that even though it is subject to abuse, even though it can be abused and it has been abused at times in the past, as some would argue, it's nonetheless better to have it there as a backstop for abuses in the law and excesses in punishment such that if we took it away, I think their problems would be greater.

Yeah, there is. It's kind of the idea. I'd rather have, you know, one bad guy go free or 10 bad guys go free than one good guy, you know, unjustly in prison. So I guess I kind of I can kind of see it from that point of view, because I think there there is some, you know, injustice that happens from time to time. Dershowitz said that in granting his son blanket immunity to

He said he thinks that was a big mistake. It opens his son up to testify on a lot of stuff. Do you see it that way? Yes, absolutely. In fact, that was one of the first observations I made on X for my at-based Mike Lee account right after this happened. I pointed out that this makes it very easy for us now.

to issue a subpoena and hold hearings in the House and in the Senate in which we invite Hunter Biden to come and testify, to tell us a lot of things, including things about his business operations and any business relationship he had with the big guy and have him named the big guy and identify him as such. But he'll say he'll just take the fifth, right?

Okay, so he takes the fifth. But what happens when he pleads the fifth and then we can point out that you're immune? Because he's pardoned you prospectively, not just for the crimes of which he's been charged and convicted, but of any and all other crimes that might arise out of any of his conduct since 2014. So when you say the fifth, you're like, who are you protecting besides your dad?

Right, right, exactly. So what is it exactly you're protecting? Because anything older than 2014 is almost certainly covered by the statute of limitations.

And anything since then, you're immune because you're pardoned prospectively. And so you can't plead the fifth if you don't have any sort of credible basis for arguing that it could lead to your criminal liability. So, Mike, I just don't think we're going to I don't think we're going to continue with the hearings on the Biden family. I think we should only because it should at least be exposed and people know that

If the president had sold his office and sold the American people out, that should be known because there has to be at least some shame attached to it. So we we we don't do it again. But are we really is anybody going to spend any time on that?

Well, I think someone should, because as you say, we need at a minimum to know what happened, regardless of what comes of it. We need to know for purposes of posterity, for purposes of knowing what to look out for in the future.

We need to have answers to that. And so I strongly suspect that you'll have at least one committee in the House and at least one committee in the Senate that will hold hearings on this and do some investigating and hopefully subpoena Hunter Biden to come and testify as a witness. So I talked to Kash Patel. Well, this is probably four or five months ago before he was, you know, before we it was before the assassination attempt. So it was still a time where you're like, I don't know. It's going to be close.

And he wasn't jockeying for anything. We were just talking about, for instance, the Epstein case. Where is that diary? And he said it's with the head of the FBI. And I said, it's got to it has to be released. That's too much power for one person or a group of people to even have. It should just be open. And he said, well, I think the Justice Department and.

and the FBI should start declassifying a lot of stuff that shouldn't be declassified. And he said, well, you find the body that is buried. You don't really need to do much because it's already been done, but then all classified so nobody can see it. No, that's right. And I was just with Cash yesterday. It was in my office. We had a great conversation. I look forward to getting him confirmed. Yeah, I love him. Pointing out that one of many reasons why they do this sort of thing.

They don't keep investigations open long after the investigation.

there has ceased to be any meaningful possibility of moving on them just so that they can keep the files closed. And this is the very kind of thing in government that makes people curious. It's one of the reasons why you still have the JFK files, right? Uh, that, uh, you know, 60 years after the fact remained, uh, remained locked. This is absurd. The American people need and deserve justice.

to know what has gone on in their own government and what those files say. I don't want to get anything, you know,

and invade your private conversation. But tell me in the private conversation, do you think that he is, is going to be going down that road? Do you, do you foresee that from, uh, from all of the people that Trump is putting into office? I mean, we should know everything that you guys should know. Uh, I think the American people should know what happened with Fauci and everything else. You think we're going to release these investigations? Yeah.

I think he's going to be doing a lot of declassification. I don't want to speak for him, but I do believe that he will declassify a lot of things. I'll leave it up to him to decide how, when, and what circumstances to do that. But I know that his strong inclination is to declassify things that don't need to be classified anymore and that the American people have the right to know. It's one of the many reasons why we need to get cash to tell confirmed.

What about Hegseth? I also had Hegseth in my office last night. I'm very optimistic there. We're making huge progress. And look, with both of these guys, I have yet to hear any legitimate reason why

why we shouldn't confirm either one of them. I believe that Pete Hegseth is somebody who is at the end of the day going to be our Secretary of Defense. He is going to get confirmed. And I don't know whether

or how many Republican senators might at the end of the day vote against it. But I think it's going to be a very small number. And I think it's going to be small enough that at a minimum, we'll get them confirmed, even if that means we have to bring in the vice president to break a tie. But I think they will both get through. And I think they should get through. Remember, when a president gets elected,

the president has a certain mandate and there's a time-honored practice of deferring in most instances uh to the president's choices particularly on very key uh positions like secretary of defense secretary of state attorney general and yes fbi director what about what about what about tulsi and rfk

Tulsi and RFK are going to get through as well. In each instance, you can find something that the leftist mainstream media and the uniparty fixtures in Washington will oppose. But in each case, they're opposing these people because they oppose Trump and because they don't want daylight showtime.

shed on the swamp. They want the swamp's secrets kept as a secret. So I'm running late and I'm up against a break, Mike, but let me just wrap it up with this. We were talking earlier today. If you release all of this information and you start going after deep, deep corruption, that is...

Like movie like dangerous, you're going against some of the most powerful and richest and and the Intel community. That's going to be really dangerous for people, isn't it? Less dangerous than keeping these secrets. Look, this is why we have elections. This is why we have a constitution.

so that the people remain in control of government and so that the people don't become pawns of the government. Yes. As if boasting as the ax that wields itself against he who made it. It's time to put the people back in charge of their own government. To do that, they need information on what's been happening in their government. That's why we've got to get these people confirmed. Yeah, good, good. Mike, as always, great to talk to you.

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We have a guy who is the foundation director of international affairs for the city of David. That's just outside of Jerusalem. And the things that they are uncovering in these archaeological digs, I mean, this is going to be kind of almost an Indiana Jones kind of hour. I don't know if they found the Nazi who has the head of the staff burned onto his hand. I don't know if they found that yet, but he'll let us know in 60 seconds. Stand by.

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And we're going to talk a little bit about the archaeology of what's going on in the city of David. How are you? Great to be with you. Yeah, good to have you here. So how far out of the city wall is the city of David? Most people don't. They've never been there. They don't realize how small all of Israel is.

let alone Jerusalem. So can you give us some scale first of what we're talking about? So Israel itself is about the size of the okay state of New Jersey. It's, uh, it's, it's, we have about 10 million people living in, uh, in Israel. Uh, Jerusalem is the largest city, uh,

Probably about a million people living in Jerusalem. So Jerusalem, by U.S. standards, is probably not the biggest city. And yet, for billions of people, not millions, when they wake up in the morning, they look to Jerusalem as a source of meaning, faith, hope, identity, inspiration. I can tell you, I've said this a million times, and I don't know if people can even begin to understand this. My wife and I went the first time. We went to the Temple Mount.

And you could almost feel, you could feel it. And then we were all the way up at the border of Syria, past the Sea of Galilee. And I looked at my wife and I said, it's like it's pulsing. I said, can you feel the Temple Mount even here?

There's a reason. It honestly is like the polar, the pole goes right through the Temple Mount, and the world actually revolves around that. 100%. It's wild to feel it. Now, if you ask the average Jewish person, Christian person, close your eyes and imagine biblical Jerusalem. Tell me what you see.

And you'll get answers like, I see the Western Wall. I see maybe the Stations of the Cross, maybe the Church of Holy Sepulchre, the Garden Tomb. I see the Old City of Jerusalem and all wonderful, good places, except none of them, at least when we're talking about the original Hebrew Bible, none of those places are in the Bible. When you think of the places where the kings of the Bible ruled,

and the prophets of the Bible preached, you're talking about the city of David. The city of David is today located just outside the walls of the old city. Now most people think the walls of the old city, those iconic walls, they must be thousands of years old.

They're only about 500 years old. Now only- Wait, wait, the ancient walls around Jerusalem? That's right. 500 years? Built by Suleiman during the Ottoman period. No idea. Right? Wow. Now most people will say 2,000, 3,000 years old. Now the walls of the Temple Mount, the Western Wall itself, the Southern Wall, the Southern Steps, all that's 2,000 years old going back to the time of Jesus. But the wall around the old city of Jerusalem is only 500 years old. Now, if you're sitting here in America, you're like, wow, 500 years is a long time ago.

Jerusalem, which is 4,000 years old, 500 years ago is like last week. We don't get overly excited by anything 500 years old. So what happened? We lost Jerusalem. Everyone thought it was the old city.

until about 150 years ago, 1867, Queen Victoria of England, she wants to discover the treasures of the Bible. Like the Ark of the Covenant, she sends a man by the name of Captain Charles Warren to the Holy Land to find those treasures. He comes to Jerusalem. He wants to excavate the Temple Mount, where the Temple of Solomon stood, the biblical Mount Moriah. Except in 1867, the Ottomans, the Muslims are there, and they say, Charles, we're sure you're a great guy.

But you're not digging up the Temple Mount. To this day, due to religious sensitivities, political sensitivities, the Temple Mount has had almost no archaeological activity. So now... Wait, wait, wait. Let me clarify this.

They have, Muslims, if I'm not mistaken, have been digging. That's not archaeology. Right, they've been digging it and putting it into dump trucks and dumping it. Yeah, they've been destroying. Right.

The opposite, what the Islamic walk for the religious trust on the Temple Mount, what they've done is the opposite of archaeology with the goal of not uncovering and celebrating the heritage of Jerusalem, but actually destroying it. And there's actual archaeologists that sift through all of the stuff. To this day, you have archaeologists and volunteers who are able to go and sift through the hundreds and hundreds of truckloads of earth and

that were removed from the Temple Mount by the Islamic Religious Trust in the late 1990s, dumped in garbage dumps, and when you're sifting through this earth, you will find, next to 2,000-year-old coins, potato chip wrappers, Coke cans. Why?

Because it's all jumbled together now. They have no... What did they do? I mean, we have no idea what... So the pretense was they wanted to build an emergency exit on the Temple Mount. There is a very large subterranean mosque known as the Marwani Mosque beneath the Temple Mount, beneath the area known as Solomon Stables, one of the most beautiful parts of... Underneath that? Underneath that, the southern end of the Temple Mount. Wow. They hollowed it out.

and they built this subterranean mosque. And then they said, "Well, now we have this mosque there, we need to build an emergency exit." And they used the legitimacy of building an emergency exit to bring in bulldozers and dump trucks and massive machinery. One of the most famous Israeli archaeologists, he said, "If you use a toothbrush on the Temple Mount, that's probably heavy machinery." They used bulldozers and dump trucks. And they took tons and tons and tons of earth and just threw it in the garbage dump. And they said, "Why?" And the answer is very simple.

What they are trying to hide is that the Jewish people and by extension Christians have been in Jerusalem for thousands of years. And so if they can destroy that history, destroy that heritage, well then they could go along with their claims that Israel's occupying colonizing power that has no history and no heritage in the land of Israel or in Jerusalem. They are seeking to rewrite history to erase the Judeo-Christian heritage from Jerusalem. In fact,

The United Nations passed a resolution a couple of years ago saying that the Temple Mount and Western Wall are exclusively Islamic holy places. What? What? And they go on to say and condemn all the archaeological excavations in Jerusalem. Now you might say, how on earth?

Could anyone say such a thing that Jews and Christians of no heritage in Jerusalem condemn the archaeology? Why would they say that? But the answer is very simple. If the story that you want to tell about Jerusalem is an exclusively Islamic story, then you will hate a place like the city of David, one of the most archaeologically excavated sites in the world, because every single day we're unearthing antiquities, fancy word for old stuff, that show not simply as a matter of faith,

But as a matter of fact, that Jerusalem's biblical heritage is true, that the connection that Jews and Christians have with Jerusalem, the foundations of the United States of America, that the Judeo-Christian heritage that it's built upon comes from Jerusalem, that it's real. And that is a nightmare to them. So last time you were on, I think we talked about the Pool of Bethesda. And this is where Jesus healed the man who had been...

you know, waiting for a miracle at the, at, at the pool. Right. The pool of Siloam at the, at the Southern end of the city of David, right. Which up until 2004 was totally covered up. And then in 2004, we even know that that's kind of where it was. We know a hundred percent. That's where it is. No, no, no, no. Then when we started the archeological dig, we didn't know. So they say hindsight is 2020. Uh,

And obviously now everyone's like, well, of course we knew where that's where it was. But back then, 2004, it's all covered up. There's a road above it. There's a sewage pipe below. And only because of a busted sewage pipe. We have a teaching in our faith that says God has many miracles. The reason we found one of the most significant biblical heritage sites in all of Jerusalem, the Pool of Siloam with deep significance to Christians and Jews alike was because of a busted sewage pipe. And that, of course, leads then to another discovery. Because the Pool of Siloam was the place where

before going up to the temple on Passover, Pentecost, Tabernacles, the pilgrimage festivals, you have to cleanse yourself. You have to wash, cleanse, bathe. In the Christian scriptures, the story of the healing of the blind man, also pool of Siloam. And so the archaeologists said, well, if we know where the pool is at the southern end of the city of David, the place where Jerusalem began, how did the millions of pilgrims get from the pool all the way up to the temple on the Temple Mount? They widen the excavation and they end up discovering what's known as the pilgrimage road.

the road that our ancestors, yours and mine, Jews and Christians alike, would have walked on 2,000 years ago when they went on pilgrimage up to the temple on the Temple Mount. So it goes that road would go right directly from that pool. That's right. Right to the temple. The temple. I call it the biblical superhighway. Anywhere you wanted to go in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago, that road would take you there. And I've been asked many, many times, what are the chances Jesus walked on that road? That'd be 100%. Yeah, so I tell people, I say, look, conservatively speaking...

We're talking about 100%. So how do you know? Well, the answer is really very simple. If you believe that there was a historic Jesus 2000 years ago in Jerusalem, well, he was Jewish. He went with all the Jews down to cleanse at the Pool of Siloam at the southern end of the city of David. He would have then walked up from the pool along the pilgrimage road, along the half mile journey up to the temple on the Temple Mount.

"The Pool of Siloam that we're excavating as we speak "in the City of David today is 100% the same Pool of Siloam "from 2000 years ago, the time of Jesus. "The Pilgrimage Road that archeologists "from the Israel Antiquities Authority "are excavating as we speak today, "100% the same Pilgrimage Road, "same Temple Mount, same City of David, "not simply a matter of faith, but a matter of fact. "It's real, you could see it, you could touch it, "you could walk on it.

It is the most significant half mile on the planet. There is no half mile. That means more to more people anywhere in the world than the city of David. So when it comes to the temple, does it come to Solomon's stairs? And it's got to be below. I mean, you excavate it. How deep?

did you have to dig to find the road? So the pilgrimage road itself runs up the length of the city of David. It comes out at the southwestern corner of the Temple Mount. So now what happens is it then splits off. When it gets to the southwestern corner, there is one branch that goes off to the east, which comes out by the southern steps. Again, another site with deep significance for Jews and Christians alike. And then the other part, when it gets to the southwest corner, keeps going north along the western wall.

And that became the main thoroughfare. In fact, when a person stands at the southwest corner of the Temple Mount, you could see the remnants of a massive staircase that would have taken the pilgrims up into the temple. It's still there. You can see the remnants of that staircase. So this was the main thoroughfare where everyone is gathering. Now today, the pilgrimage road

or the vast majority of it is about 60 feet underground. Now, if this was the United States, what would happen? You know, if you go to Gettysburg today, how many people are buried on the battlefield? How many people live today on the battlefield of Gettysburg? Nobody, right? One of the most significant American heritage sites. So,

In Jerusalem, you would say, well, City of David, it's significant, not just for millions, but billions of people around the world. What should we do? Two words, eminent domain. Except in this part of Jerusalem, we don't do that. And so the challenge is, how do you, on the one hand, respect the modern day City of David and the people who live there today, and at the same time uncover all the heritage with significance to billions of people around the world and give access to all those who want to see it themselves? And the answer is with a lot of sensitivity, with a lot of

That's why the city of David is only 11 acres in size. We've only excavated one third of the site to date over the last 150 years. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So it's mainly with buildings and roads and everything above it? Above it, right. Holy cow. And so you're literally trying to have the best of both worlds. Respect the modern, uncover the ancient. And that's why so much of the work has to be done with the utmost care.

sensitivity and at the highest of standards because you can't afford any mistakes. You can't afford for some- You're not getting Elon Musk with his boring machine. No, everything has to be, you're talking about small tools, lots of engineering to support everything that's up above. But I had the privilege of hosting members of the Navy SEALs along the pilgrimage road. And they were based out of Coronado on the West Coast. And they said, well, how does all this get covered up?

So I said, well, you know, it's really simple. You know, you have one time period. Someone comes in and conquers it. They build on top of it. Another one conquers them, builds on top of that, throws some earthquakes in there, and you kind of get all these layers. And I said, well, you know, just to bring it closer to home, I said, well, you guys are out there in California. I said, if you dug down beneath your homes, you'd probably find that once upon a time there were some Native Americans living there. If you kept digging, you might find that once upon a time there were some Republicans living there. Ha ha ha!

I doubt that. I doubt that. I don't think you'll ever find that evidence. It's Seattle. Seattle has a Seattle underground. Right? Yeah. So it's built on top of it. So in ancient times, it was under the sky. But today, we have to take into account that there is a modern day neighborhood. And so the neighborhood is preserved. But

but we are uncovering that heritage. So I want to go into some of the things that you have found and that are possible. I was just talking to somebody who did a documentary on the Ark of the Covenant. And one of the places that he said it might be is right in that area where you're digging. We'll talk about that in just a second.

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to so many rabbis. One of them is the chief rabbi of all the holy places. So he has to protect all the Islamic holy places, Christian holy places, and they're all the same to him. Protect, protect, protect.

And a lot of what I saw or wanted to see is in Palestinian hands. And I never saw Bethlehem because when I went, they were like, no. I remember them tapping on the glass of the window because I said, just go, let's go. And the guard was tapping on the glass of the window. And I said, what is he saying? He said, it's not bulletproof glass. And I said, let's turn around.

But, you know, the garden tomb, whether that's the real tomb or not, but what might have been the place of his crucifixion is also in that territory. What you're talking about is in Palestinian territory.

No, it's not. It is in Jerusalem. I mean, it's in Israeli hands. So when you take Bethlehem in the early 2000s, you had a bunch of Palestinian terrorists who they were carrying out terror attacks against Israel, against Jews.

And when Israel went to defend and fight back, where did these terrorists go? They took over the church in nativity, knowing what? That Israel would not go after them there. And so they- Really? So that is actually in your hands? No, it was in their hands in Bethlehem. And so they used the church in nativity as a place to shelter from Israel because they knew Israel would not go into the church in nativity. And so the fact that as a Christian-

You really have a lot of difficulty going to a place like Bethlehem, like the church of nativity. It's tragic. The fact that today, when you visit Israel, when you visit Jerusalem, capital of the state of Israel, the fact that you can go, whether it's the church of the Holy Sepulchre, the garden tomb to the garden of Gethsemane, the Mount of Olives, the city of David, the stations of the cross, the fact that you could visit all those places is, is almost miraculous. And why do I say that? Because it's,

In the Middle East, values like freedom of religion, freedom of worship, freedom of access are virtually non-existent. When Jordan illegally occupied Jerusalem from 1948 to 1967, they blew up synagogues and churches, no access to the Western Wall. The fact that today you can get in a plane and come to Jerusalem and visit the places in Jerusalem that matter most to you is for one reason and one reason only, that it's Israel.

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And the thing I actually appreciated was when Israel took over care of it, they didn't erase that. So you see the Jewish, the Christian and the Muslim, it's all there left as it, as it was, which I for one appreciate. Yeah. You know, you have a, let's say in the city of David, there's this one excavation in particular, that's called the Givati parking lot excavation. Why would you name an excavation after a parking lot? Because about,

10, 15 years ago, there was a parking lot there and we wanted to build something on top of that parking lot. The Israel Antiquities Authority, they come in and say, well, hold on. Before you build anything, we need to make sure there's nothing beneath the parking lot. They come with ground penetrating radar and they say there are more than 10 layers of ancient Jerusalem civilization located beneath your feet. And so when a person visits that excavation, they see going back nearly 3,000 years until modern times, all the layers. Back with more in a second. Back. Ark of the Covenant, next.

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With Zev Orenstein, he is the City of David Foundation Director of International Affairs. And he's doing the working with the archaeological dig in the City of David. And they are finding all kinds of evidence that proves the truth of the Bible. I want to get to the Ark of the Covenant, but what other things have you found of significance?

For many people, the Bible is a book of faith. You believe or you don't believe. Many people today, especially younger people, say, well, are the people who march through the pages of the Bible, were they real people? Are the events recounted in the Bible real events? And the discoveries being made allow a person not only to believe, but to know. And let's just throw out some big names. Until 1993, had you said, I'm going to visit the city of David, there's a whole group of scholars known as the Copenhagen School. They would say to you,

David, you mean King David from the Bible? Well, yeah, obviously. Well, you know they would say, historically speaking, there was no such person. What are you talking about? 1993? 1993, no such person. Well, what do you mean? There's no one mentioned, at least in the Hebrew Bible, more times than King David. He's number one. And they would say, look, you may believe that the Bible is the literal word of God, and we mean no disrespect, but the Bible is not a history book. It's not a scientific or academic text. Proof to us, not using the Bible, that there was a historic David some 3,000 years ago.

And prior to 1993, you could not do that until an excavation in Israel's north in a place called Tel Dan, right along Israel's northern border near Syria.

they find a stone slab, an inscription dating to about 100 years after David would have lived. And it's attributed to a man named King Hazael of Aram. Aram is modern-day Syria. And this King Hazael, who's mentioned in 2 Kings, was in a good mood. Why? The inscription tells us that he had just won a major military victory. Over who? Over a king from the house of David. And it

And there's a house of David. What does that mean? There's a David. There's a David. So today virtually everyone agrees that there is in fact a historic David. I remember one time I was with a group of academics, people who are not big on the Bible, and one of them interjected and says, well, you know, that just means, okay, there was some David, but he was like a small time figure. He wasn't the regional power that the Bible makes him out to be.

And I said, "Well, you know, it's interesting because, you know, that's the debate in archaeological circles today and there's evidence this way that in fact shows that his kingdom was pretty big." But I said, "Tell me something." I said, "Thirty years ago, what was the debate surrounding David? It was whether or not he ever existed. Today, what are we debating? How big his kingdom was." Right. "Every single day, we're finding more and more affirmation of Jerusalem's biblical heritage being true." I'll throw out two other names.

If we're talking David, let's go to David's great, great, great, great grandson, a man named Hezekiah, the biblical King Hezekiah, one of the most famous righteous kings of the Bible 2,700 years ago. And back probably, I think it was about 2015, archaeologists find a small clay seal that

With Hebrew writing, and there's a name on this seal, and in Hebrew it says, Hezekiah, son of Ahaz, king of Judah. The biblical King Hezekiah, direct descendant of King David. Next to that seal, the archaeologist finds another one. Small seal, two words,

In ancient Hebrew, the first is a name, the second is a title. The name is Isaiah. The title is prophet. So you have one of the most Bible's famous prophets next to one of the most famous kings. Not simply a matter of faith, but a matter of fact. And we find ancient coins written in Hebrew script that would have been brought up to the temple to pay for the temple tax. We find inscriptions affirming biblical events like the Siloam inscription when it talks about how the Assyrian Empire was

was trying to conquer Jerusalem 2,700 years ago, and how King Hezekiah, through his efforts, manages to help save the city with some help from God. And so it literally just goes on and on. So where you are digging now, I talked to somebody that was doing a documentary, and they said there's three places the Ark of the Covenant could be. One is Ethiopia. That's right. I think the other one is in Saudi Arabia. And the other one is...

where you're digging. What is the thought on the Ark of the Covenant? Here's what I could tell you that the Bible says. 2 Chronicles 35, King Josiah is ruling in Jerusalem. And this is not that long after the Assyrian Empire nearly conquers Jerusalem. They're the ones who exile the kingdom of Israel, the 10 lost tribes, they're gone. They conquer almost the entirety of the kingdom of Judah during the time of King Hezekiah. Jerusalem almost falls.

By the act of God, there's a miracle and Jerusalem is spared. And Josiah comes along and he says, you know what? We can't have our future plan be based off of miracles. We almost lost the Ark of the Covenant. We need to make sure that never happens again. And so in 2 Chronicles 35, he calls upon the Levites to carry the Ark, it says, one last time. And what's believed is that the Ark was then put into hiding.

And there are all sorts of passages and subterranean tunnels and caverns beneath the Temple Mount, some of them even in the City of David, where the Ark of the Covenant could have been secreted away to be brought out at some point in the future. Do I personally think it's in Egypt or Saudi Arabia or Ethiopia? No, I actually think it's in Jerusalem. And I was asked once, I was giving a tour. Well, if it's under the Temple Mount.

Boy, that's trouble. Well, I mean, it's trouble, and maybe it's— Maybe God will protect—I mean, God would protect. I saw the documentary, you saw that documentary, where they opened it up and the people melted. Yeah. Yeah, so it could be really bad. Yeah, you don't want to touch it. You see that in the Bible also, you don't want to touch it. But I was asked, I was with someone and his granddaughter. And the granddaughter, about 14 years old, she says, well, are you guys looking to find the Ark of the Covenant?

So I said, well, I'm only now speaking for myself and not for the archaeologists or anyone else. But I said, well, no. She says, why not? I said, well, what would you do if you found it? She says, well, what do you mean? I said, well, I'll tell you what we wouldn't do. I said, the Ark of the Covenant is not going to go in the Museum of the Bible. It's not going to go in the British Museum. It's not going to go in the Israel Museum. You're not going to go and take selfies with the Ark of the Covenant. There's one place and one place alone where the Ark of the Covenant would go. I believe if and when...

that place is ever ready for it, you'll find the Ark of the Covenant. But until that day comes, there's no need for it. It's not a gimmick. It's not a prop. It's not like a weapon of some kind. And so when the time is right, I believe it'll be found. But until that time, I don't believe we will ever find it. But that's just me.

What is the, I mean, are there consequences of finding it and using it, you know, kind of like, you know, Indiana Jones?

and the wagon that the ark was on, it stumbles. And the ark, it looks as if it's about to fall, and there's a man named Uzzah who goes and tries to save the ark and grabs onto the ark, and he dies on the spot. That's a whole big question, what did he do wrong? Right? Which we'll save for a different time. But then there is another story in the book of Samuel, 1 Samuel, where the Philistines are attacking Israel.

And the people say, well, we have a secret weapon. And they go to Shiloh to the tabernacle and they take the Ark out and they go out to battle with the Ark. And the Philistines, they see the Ark and they panic. They're like, oh my God, we're finished. They just brought out their secret weapon. Yeah. But then nothing happened.

And the Philistines, they said, okay, well, I guess it's not such a powerful weapon. And they go and they defeat Israel and they take the Ark captive. And it wasn't that the Ark wasn't powerful. It's just the Ark is not a gimmick. And in fact, what the Philistines then do is they take the Ark and they put it in their temples. And every temple that they put it in, it's a feat of their God.

Came the morning, the God was toppled over. Time and time again, and then plagues broke out, and they realized, wait a second, we don't want this ark. We better send it back to the Jews, and they sent it back. And so, again, the ark is not a gimmick for us to use. But have you thought of...

you know, digging and seeing something and you realize this might be the room of the, what would you do? - Well, that happens almost all the time in the City of David. You know, 2005, we have our visitor center and a woman comes in, Dr. Eilat Mazar, world-renowned archeologist, and she says, well,

Beneath your feet, I believe, is the location of King David's Palace. You need to move your offices. What on earth are you talking about? People have been digging here for 150 years. No one's ever said that before. And she came up with her theory, and it was compelling, and we ended up moving our visitor center. And it turns out that she's quite likely correct, that we have now found in the City of David what was almost certainly, if not King David's Palace, the palace of the royal Davidic dynasty, the original Capitol Hill.

where the kings from the house of David would have ruled. And that was only a couple of years ago. So it's really amazing that two thirds of the city of David

has yet to be unearthed. But here's what I can tell you, even with the one third that we have unearthed. There is no place in the world where you can take the Bible in one hand and you could take what is being unearthed on the other and show that the Bible and Jerusalem's biblical heritage is not simply a matter of faith, but a matter of fact. You could find the people that marched through the pages of the Bible. The events were counted in the Bible, matching up word for word, find for find, with the archeological excavations in the city of David.

And, you know, we're living in a time, if you go back 100 years ago, the Bible was revered. 100 years later, the Bible is mocked and scorned and believers are mocked and scorned. And I believe it's not a coincidence that at a time of unprecedented biblical denial, there's also unprecedented discovery of

affirming the Bible, and then it's a choice. - It's weird, we don't think that Babylon didn't exist. I mean, you go to the British Museum, they'll talk about Babylon, they'll talk about the Assyrians, they'll talk about everything. We know that happened.

And I think there's more evidence or at least as much about all of this. And we deny it for some reason. If you go to the British museum, you have your Egypt wing and your Babylon wing and all these, these wings, there's no Israel wing, right? There's no wing that, that has all the archeological affirmation of the Bible. And I think there's two reasons for it. One is the British are largely anti-Semitic. And second, and if I want to give them the benefit of the doubt, you know why they don't have a wing on the Bible?

If you go to the Egypt wing, the Egypt of 4,000 years ago is not the Egypt of today. The pharaohs were not Muslims, right? The Egypt that we have today is almost no connection to ancient Egypt. And so you could put Egypt in a wing of the museum. You could put Babylon in the wing of a museum.

Those are dead.

It's not saying, well, okay, 3000 years ago, there were these things that happened and oh, that's cool. It's still, it's relevant. Yeah. It's still shaping the world today. It's remarkable. Thank you so much, Zev. I really, really appreciate it. cityofdavid.org.il. If you want to find out more, it is website cityofdavid.org.il.

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You know, I didn't get a chance to talk today about Taylor Lorenz, but we have to tomorrow because it's just so outrageous what she said. Here she is on Piers Morgan. Listen.

Listen to this. I do believe in the sanctity of life. And I think that's why I felt, along with so many other Americans, joy, unfortunately, you know, because it feels like... Serious? I mean... Joy in a man's execution? Maybe not joy, but certainly not, no, certainly not empathy. Because again... We're watching the footage. How can this make you joyful?

This guy's a husband, he's a father, and he's being gunned down in the middle of Manhattan. Why is that making you joyful? So are the tens of thousands of Americans that he murdered. So are the tens of thousands of Americans, innocent Americans, who died because...

health insurance executives like this one push policies of denying care to the most vulnerable people. This is just so evil. No, it's wrong. It wouldn't justify it if it was right, of course. I mean, it's not even true. Look at Obamacare. I'm sure she was all for Obamacare. Has that made things better? It's supposed to solve all the problems. By the way, it has the lowest approval rating of all the types of coverage you can get. Yeah, I mean, of course it...

Of course it does. And then she later went on with peers and said, well, it wasn't joy. I didn't, I misspoke. It wasn't joy, but you know what she used? Celebratory. I felt celebratory. Well,

I don't think that's any better. Yeah. You threw a celebration? No, not better. She is at the point where you really have to consider that she didn't even be brought on these shows. No. She's just insane. I think she's a mentally disturbed, insane person. But what is really more important than that is that the New York Times and the Washington Post platformed her as an authority on culture for years and years and years and years. And every time she got

criticized. We were told we didn't like women. We were told we, you know, we were the ones that were unbalanced and insane for the criticism of her. She is a literal insane person, an insane person. And both of those organizations should have committees going through all of her work to check it.

Because there's no way she legitimately was reporting accurately while she was there. She's done. I mean, she's done. She lost her Vox support, which is already like level five. Right. She lost Vox. And she's like, no, I still have my podcast carried on. What?

Carried on what? Yeah. I mean, you know, you can do it. I guess you could do it at YouTube, but... Yeah, I think she's doing a sub... I mean, like, she'll have a career because she's well-known, and I'm sure people will give her money for nonsense like that. But well-known, you want to be well-known for... She's unbalanced. She really is. I mean, I hate to say, you know, clinically insane, but...

She is deeply disturbed. Well, you're a doctor. You can call her clinically insane. Well, you know what? Thank you, Stu. I am a doctor of humanities. Human, humanities. You're right. She's as nutty as a fruitcake. All right. We'll see you tomorrow. God bless. The Glenn Beck Program.