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Well, hello America and welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. We've got a lot on our plate today. I cannot take the healthcare shooter anymore, the coverage of it. We have a lot to discuss, but I want to start with truth today. Eternal truth. We do that in 60 seconds. First, let me tell you about CarShield. Every day, you're out on the road in your car caring for yourself and those you love. You're taking them back and forth all over the place. It's

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So we're just a few days away from Christmas and it just feels weird. I don't know, maybe it's because I'm into my Christmas shopping or whatever. But I'm lacking just a little bit of the Christmas spirit. And I want to start today by fixing our gaze upon that cradle in Bethlehem where the greatest gift ever given entered the world.

the humblest of surroundings, beneath the watchful eyes of shepherds in the celestial light of heaven's star. A simple child was born. Definitely not a child of earthly power, no wealth, but purpose. And through him, the chains of mankind's bondage were destined to be broken. When he was born,

In a nutshell, what the angel said was liberty, redemption, hope. It's what our founders understood. Each of us endowed with certain inalienable rights, life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness. Our creator gave these to us. Each of us was endowed with free will, the power to choose, to chart our own course, to stumble, to rise, to

to dust ourself off and press on. This is the difference between people. People that just want a guarantee, which there is none in life. Or people who understand that free will, to be free, to live free, that gift is precious and perilous. It's always on the edge.

But it is the foundation of our humanity and the cornerstone of a truly free society. Without that simple liberty to make mistakes, we can't learn. Without the liberty to fail, we don't grow. And without the liberty to choose between good and evil, the triumph of virtue over vice means absolutely nothing. We miss this message.

Or maybe we save this message for Christmas Eve. It's more appropriate on Christmas Eve. We should be talking about this all year long. In fact, in many ways, it's what we've been fighting for, the message of Christmas. It's not just joy and celebration, but the message of Christmas is profound liberation. It is the birth of Christ, is the birth of freedom itself.

And not the kind of freedom that is wrought by, you know, a sword in an army or enshrined in our capital and the writings on parchment, but a freedom given to us, each of us at birth, born in our soul. It's the toughest kind of freedom because it belongs 100% to us and what we do. We can blame other freedom on, well, the politicians in Washington. There's no blame except for us.

And it is the freedom to forgive others and more difficult, I think, to forgive ourselves. It's the freedom to lay down the weight of guilt. I'm a recovering alcoholic and for a reason. There are times in your life where you just are wrought with guilt. You just can't move because in your head you're playing these tapes over and over again and they're all lies.

That's what Christmas is. The freedom to lay down that guilt, to heal wounds old and new, to grasp the hand of grace that lifts us up out of the muck and the mire. This freedom is the most precious. And like all freedom, it is neither easy nor secure. Today, if you would watch the news, you would find that we are living in times filled with war and

and rumors of war. And yet, we believe, most of us, that we are at peace. For as Longfellow may have said, the cannons of war are silent on our shores. But we are a world at war. We're a nation at war, a people at war. We've said this for a while now. More people in the world are waking up to this every day. We are in a spiritual war. It's invisible,

It doesn't have aircraft carriers, but it is insidious. And you don't win with armies. You don't win at the ballot box. It's one within the hearts and minds of every single individual. It's so today. What happened 2,000 years ago is so important today because we're fighting a war for truth in a world drowning in lies, a war for courage,

In a time where men's hearts have failed them, riddled with fear. A war for faith when we are surrounded by doubt. And it is truly the most perilous of all struggles. Because it doesn't announce itself with the sound of drums or dramatic speeches or the sight of red banners. Its battlefield isn't seen. The stakes are eternal.

So as we prepare and we stand on the threshold of this sacred season, let's not take what we face too lightly, this unseen enemy. Let's not take what happened at the ballot box as that was a reprieve. That was God doing what we couldn't do, saying, okay, you can't fight that battle on your own. I got it. I will cover what you can't do.

I'll save him and have him stand back up again. I'll protect at the ballot box, but you got to get out and do it. Now, God says, okay, now what are you going to do with it? Because I've done what you can't do. That's the deal with free will. It's a partnership. He'll forgive us, but we got to do the work. We have to take up the shield of faith and the sword of truth and the helmet of salvation.

which was given to us by that little teeny baby in a manger. And then that baby growing into a man to see what he did. So we can draw strength from his example. Boy, that's a hard example to follow because he didn't come to condemn. He came to save. He didn't rule. He came to serve. He didn't come to divide. He came to unite under truth.

I've said this before, I wonder how many of us actually took time to give thanks at Thanksgiving for the miracles we've seen. We've seen miracles. If you missed them, I don't know how, but we've seen miracles. And in this season of eternal truth and light, it's fitting that we give thanks, not only for the blessings that we hold dear, but also for the blessings that we hold dear.

but also for the trials that refine us. I'm a better man because of the trials of the last 20 years. I don't know who I would have been if my back hadn't been against the wall for the last 20 years. I don't know who you'd be. That comes from freedom of will, of choice. We've all made a choice which side we stand on. Did we stand up when it was tough or did we cower? And if we cowered,

Are we going to forgive ourselves so we'll stand up now? Give thanks for the trials. Give thanks for the liberty that we possess. For it's only in freedom that we can fully embrace the gift of redemption. And that is the principal gift. It's not just the courage. It's not just the freedom. He knows we're going to make mistakes.

Let us give thanks for the right to choose, even when our choices lead us in very dark places, because every single misstep brings us closer to the God who never ceases to call us back. Son, daughter, I'm here. Just come back. This year, let's give thanks for the courage to stand, not only for ourselves, but for those who can't stand alone. The story of Christmas continues.

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♪ We're gliding along with a song of a wintery fairyland ♪ - So the story of Christmas is above all, a story of hope, a story that transcends the bounds of time, place and circumstance. It's the hope that in the darkest of your night, a star will shine. It's the hope that in the humblest of stables, a king will be born. It is the hope that in the brokenness of our humanity,

Redemption is there to triumph. I want you to close your eyes for a minute, unless you're driving. That would be bad. Keep your eyes open if you're driving. If you're not driving, close your eyes just for a second. Consider the scene of that first Christmas. The world was troubled. People were weary, especially the Holy Family. The future was absolutely uncertain. Yet in the stillness of that night, heaven touched earth.

And the light of the world entered in darkness. And so it is with us. No matter how beaten down we are, no matter how grave our hour or how heavy the burden, the light of truth still shines. They tried to snuff it out, as darkness always does, but it cannot. And that light of truth calls us to rise above all of our trials, to grasp the freedom that

that that little baby secured for us, and to walk boldly in the path of all that is good, all that is true, all that is right. Let's commit over the next few weeks that in the next year, we're going to hold fast to the truth. No matter if it's good for our side or bad for our side, we're just talking about the truth. Hold to the truth, knowing that we're all flawed, but also knowing we're loved beyond measure.

that even though we fall, we're never alone and never forsaken. And though all the battles of life may rage, the ultimate victory has already been won. May I humbly suggest that we commit to each other this year to let the joy of Christmas not be just something that maybe we just barely feel right now, but we'll feel more and more as we get closer to the holidays.

Instead of letting that being a fleeting sentiment, let's try to make that an abiding strength. Let the hope of that little baby inspire us. Give us the courage to face the trials of our time because trials are still yet to come. Let the freedom wrought by the birth of Christ embolden us to live every day as people redeemed, ever striving, ever learning, ever stumbling, ever

but grateful for that stumble because it means we're ever growing. In the words of the angels on that holy night, glory to God in the highest and on earth peace, goodwill toward men. The greatest gift we can give ourselves and each other is the gift that this peace, this freedom, this hope be ours now and forevermore. We're going to talk about a lot of crap today.

We're going to talk about a lot of people that you're going to want to say, I don't think I can forgive that person. A lot of people that you're going to be sitting with in just a few weeks at the Christmas table, and they're going to say, I don't know why you don't see that shooting that UnitedHealthcare worker. Why that CEO, why that's not a heroic... Have you seen the shooter's abs? And you're going to go, I can't take it. But what I thought of when I was

Putting this together for you today was, man, if God can put up with me, how can I not put up with, I don't know, name anybody on MSNBC. Name anybody on The View. We also have some good things to share with you today. I think it's actually all good. It's all good. I think we should recognize that we wouldn't be in the good position that we're in right now

If what we all thought was bad in 2020 didn't happen, if Donald Trump would have won in 2020, God only knows what we'd be facing. And what we'd be facing unknown because they hadn't revealed themselves yet. There is nothing bad. It's what we do with it and how we react. Do we say, "Wow, I've got another burden. I've got to get myself up off the ground and carry on." Or do I quit?

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I'm a little irritated at the love we are showing for this killer, the UnitedHealthcare killer. First of all, CNN, and I am not making this up, one of the anchors on CNN said, do we have it?

Oh, play this, play this. Watch this if you happen to be watching, and I'll describe it after. The clips we were watching at the top of this segment are driven by the fact that this is an attractive person. We've got to drop the banner to show why. And it is deeply troubling. Okay. They actually do it. They actually do it. This banner at the bottom of the screen that's on all the time, they're saying that this guy is getting... Charlie Manson could have been, you know...

I don't know, the guy who can believe it's butter. And nobody would have said, yeah, I know, but look at him. Fabio? Yeah. Boy, have you seen him? He's let himself go. Has he really? Anyway, I'm one to talk. But...

We never say that. I don't care how good looking you are. I don't think we never say it. Like, for example, I saw the, did you see this? It was a Mexican assassin, a drug cartel assassin. Did you see her the other day? No, I didn't. Sorry, Sarah saw it. She was attractive. And that was the only thing people were talking about. So that does happen. I think it does happen.

From time to time. That being said, it's not supposed to happen on CNN. Right. And wait, are people saying, you know what? Maybe her hits were okay. No, no. But I will say, looking at the picture, I totally assume there will be a movie made about her in the future. All right. Yeah. But that will seem to maybe glorify the stuff she did, which was terrible. We are glorifying what this guy. Listen to this one. Listen to this one.

I'm not going to give his name. Thank you. Thank you for that. Thank you for that. You're the only person I've seen do that. Everybody else is blurting this name out a hundred million times. This guy is being made into a hero. I mean, it's worse than the typical mass shooter where like typically the media, while they have all their gun points, aren't trying to make them into a hero. This guy, they're trying to make him into a hero, giving his name over and over again. I don't think it's a good idea. I haven't even heard anyone say anything about pulling guns off the streets either.

Have you heard? No, especially, and it was a ghost gun. I know. This is like Joe Biden's favorite topic. You know why? I guess all you have to be is good looking and on the left. On the left. Are you an anti-capitalist? Then, eh, fine. Good job with the 3D printer. So this guy went, he killed somebody in cold blood, and everyone is excusing him. Everyone on the left and everybody in the media excusing him. Well, look at his abs. I mean, really. What?

What does that have to... You know what? You know what that ties into? His back problems. Don't even begin to talk to me about back problems, you wuss. My gosh, I've got back problems. You're 20 and you have those abs? It ain't that bad, dude. If you can do that many sit-ups, I'm sorry, your back problems can't be that bad. Shut up. Shut up. And if you are in your 20s and you had back surgery...

You're a moron unless you absolutely had no other choice, but then you're still a moron if you thought it was going to work. Back surgery hardly ever works. How many people, honestly, how many people do you know that had back surgery and they went, you know, I mean, I feel like I'm 20 again.

I don't know anybody that says that. I know back doctors, surgeons who are like, don't come to me yet. Don't come. Until you, this is a quote from my surgeon, until you beg me to cut you open. And I have begged him and he's like, not quite yet.

Oh, your back hurts. Oh, boo-boos. I think there was at least rumors or indications from his online writings that he had spinal fusion surgery. Fine. Lots of people. Serious. Yeah, but lots of people have had it. No, that doesn't justify murder. Yeah.

But I mean, I really don't understand if you had spinal fusion. How self-absorbed are you? We were just talking off the air. Went to a Christmas party. We went to the studio's Christmas party. Yeah. And I was there for what? Way longer than I thought. Like three or four hours, okay? Standing on hard concrete floors.

I stand about 45 minutes and that's a miracle if I'm standing 45 minutes and not in an agonizing pain in my lower back and legs. I stood there for four hours. Did you know I was in pain, Sarah? Did you know I was in pain still? No. Okay. You know why? Because I know Pat, who's in worse pain than I am, and he never says anything.

What the? You are so self-absorbed that you think your problems, what happened to me, what they did to me, what they didn't do for me. I'm going to speak for humanity and shoot a dad who has kids. Are you? And then you glorify this guy? This is the absence of all truth.

This is the deception I talked about 15 minutes ago. Yeah. And, you know, it feels like it's a new moment in a way. Like, it feels like that. But what exactly separates this from the way we handled George Floyd? Like, when you're burning down cities and everyone's saying, well, yeah, but racism...

This is the exact same thing with the exception of 81% of the American public don't approve of racism like they do their own health care. Health care is actually generally pretty well received in this country.

Well, better received before Obamacare. Obamacare is the worst approval rating of all of the insurance. That is true. But generally speaking, we don't hate our health care as much as everyone's portraying it right now. You want to hate health care, go to Canada. Can I change it? You know what this is?

What was the doctor? What was the guy who shot the abortion doctor that Bill O'Reilly was blamed for? Yes. I don't know his name, thankfully, because he's a murderer. Right. What was the doctor's name? It was Tiller. George Tiller. Yes. And remember that? All we talked about was how Bill O'Reilly, who did nothing, was responsible for the shooting of a guy who was killing babies every day.

Okay? Yeah. And no one, no one was on TV saying, you know...

He was killed. Violence is never the answer, but let me give you my rant on why abortion is bad. And this is a good opportunity for us to discuss the... No, it's not. No, a murder is not a good opportunity. It is important, of course, to discuss health care and abortion. It's got nothing to do... There's no new justification to discuss them because there is a murder.

That you're totally right. We should actually talk. I would love to hear what Bill O'Reilly's talking about. Let's call him. We should. If I have time today, otherwise tomorrow. Yeah. Because he was blamed for that murder. Blamed for it. He did not commit it. You know why? He was blamed for it. I'm so mad about murder, I'm going to go murder someone. Huh? And by the way, Glenn, bits and pieces of his manifesto have leaked out. They are...

quote after quote after quote of what left-leaning people say about our health care system. No, Stu, no. He was both left and right. Oh, yes. I'm sure he... Well, he didn't like wokeness. Did he kill anybody over wokeness? I'm sorry. Did I miss that part of the story? Was he too afraid that UnitedHealthcare was too woke? Was that his criticism? I missed that.

His criticism was every left-wing criticism of healthcare. Anything you want to see about, well, we spend this much and we're only in 42nd place in life expected. All that stuff that you've been hearing forever from Michael Moore documentaries was this guy's manifesto.

And if we were consistent at all, all we'd be doing is looking around for left-wing people to blame this murder on. Now, I don't think that's the right way to approach things. I think people with the guns should be the ones that get the blame for the murders. That's what I think.

And I don't think we should be praising those murderers. I'm very tempted. If I were just a political person that just wanted to have our side win, I'd be very, very tempted. Yeah. And I can understand the temptation. I feel like it's not the right thing to do because it's not true. Right. Exactly right. But beyond that, I do. I get it.

And here is, you know, they went after, they tried, I mean, they absolutely tried to destroy Bill O'Reilly over that. They tried to destroy him. They tried to rip him off the air. They tried to destroy his life and his career as if he was the one. They've also, here's another person they've done this to, Glenn freaking Beck.

Go back to the times when I don't remember the exact story, but it was related to the Tides Foundation. A guy who went out and tried to do some terrible crime. And there was no evidence he even watched your show. But because you brought up the Tides Foundation a bunch of times, and he at one point criticized the Tides Foundation, they tried to ruin your life over that. I had forgotten about that one. I was thinking about the Gabby Gifford shooting.

Yes, there you go again. And then I remembered the guy who hung himself, the IRS agent, who I was blamed for wanting him to be hung. First it was Glenn Beck had him strung up. Then it was suicide. Well, Glenn Beck made him want to hang himself. I mean, this is so ridiculous. So ridiculous. I mean, Glenn, today, Elizabeth Warren, a U.S. Senator...

came out and said, violence is never the answer, but you can only push people so far. A U.S. senator said that? You know, with everything that's going on with communism and North Korea,

The only ones that were eaten were North Koreans by Jeffrey Dahmer. I mean, yes, he ate people, but all the heads in his refrigerator were North Koreans. So I kind of understand, you know, I don't condone cannibalism, but you can see why he had a deal against North Koreans. That's how insane this argument is. Yeah, it's not a well-reasoned argument, as you point out.

And I don't care how many sit-ups the guy did. I don't care that he had nice abs that you really enjoyed. I don't care that you thought his smile was nice in the video that identified him. You are a legitimately horrible human being if you're cheering this guy on. You are a terrible human being.

You know, I have a relative. May I change that in the spirit of Christmas? I wanted to say five other things. You are so lost in darkness. Okay, fine. You have no... Fine. Fine, Mr...

I'm trying. I try to be a better person. No, you are. And you drag me down every day. Lord, it is his fault. Strike him down. There's a lot of smoting coming at some point. I have a relative who works for a company that's associated with UnitedHealthcare. And to the point that she's had Zoom calls with Brian Thompson, group calls. And she's like, I can't.

He's like the nicest guy in the world. Everybody in the company loved this guy. He spent all this time... Of course, they're all shiving the average person in the back. I don't think that's true. You know, people... He was known in the company as one of the good guys who was trying to reform the problems in the industry. He was a guy who was constantly encouraging low-level employees to be able to have new opportunities and make their lives better.

This was a good man. A good man. A good man who came up, whose dad, by the way, worked at a grain elevator. He came up from nothing and was a massive success and was loved by the people around him. And these mother people are cheering on his wife.

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Welcome to the Land Back program. Glad you're here. You know, the thing that really makes me angry is...

Sorry, I have to use Les Miserables as an example. God, I'm such a weirdo. That's why I have no friends. Better than Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. It's usually where you go in these moments. So, you know, the revolution is started by all of these, you know, socialists. They're all rich kids. They're all rich, privileged kids that start the revolution.

This is who this guy is. He has absolutely nothing to whine about. Nothing to whine about. His family seems to be a really gracious family. I don't know. But it's these rich, spoiled white kids that just think they know better than everyone else. They grow up to be rich little white liberals and they are so screwed up

And nobody even seems to mention that. Here's 1%. The Glenn Beck Program. I want to talk to you about pre-born. There's new studies out that show that I think 65, 68% of women who have abortions within a year are having serious behavioral problems and psychological problems. And that's, I mean, it's completely understandable. And

I want to make sure that we are changing the hearts and minds of people on abortion because you can't do it by showing people pictures of aborted babies and things like that because abortion

We know. We know what it is. We know what it is. Now, how do we solve it? And one way we can solve it so it doesn't go into backroom abortions or back alley abortions is by caring for the women who feel trapped. And that's about 65% of women. They just don't feel like they have any other option. They do. And that option begins with pre-born abortion.

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And it only counts when it takes everything in you to say it. It's easy to say, well, we have the right. Easy to say that. It only counts when you hate saying it. And I hate saying this. With that, let me play a couple of clips of audio. Let's first play...

Taylor Lorenz, as she was talking with Piers Morgan about the killer of the UnitedHealthcare CEO. Why would you be in such a celebratory mood about the execution of another human being? Aren't you supposed to be on the caring, sharing left where you believe in the sanctity of life?

I do believe in the sanctity of life. And I think that's why I felt along with so many other Americans, joy, unfortunately, you know, because it feels like. Serious? I mean, joy demands execution. Maybe not joy, but certainly not. No, certainly not empathy. Because again, we're watching the footage. How can this make you joyful?

This guy's a husband. He's a father. And he's being gunned down in the middle of Manhattan. Why is that making you joyful? So are the tens of thousands of Americans that are being murdered. So are the tens of thousands of Americans, innocent Americans, who died because greedy health insurance executives like this one push policies of denying care to the most vulnerable people. Hang on, Taylor. I'll come back to you. Don't say I'm joyful. You said you were feeling joyful.

Yeah, I take that back. Joyful is the wrong word, Piers. You think? As I clarify. You think? Yeah. You think joyful is the wrong word? Yeah. Sure. I'd say it is. Indicated celebratory because, again, it feels like justice in this system when somebody responsible for the death. Okay, stop. Oh, no. Please let her keep talking. That was awesome. I can't take it anymore. No. Are you sure joy isn't the right word? It's crazy. Now,

Let's go to Daniel Penny. Daniel Penny is found innocent. I think anyone looks at what he did, what he tried to do, the spirit he tried to do it in. He was not trying to kill anyone. He was trying to protect people.

BLM of New York, which has only sold, I think the only thing they do is sell hats, you know, that say F the mayor, you know, whatever. They came out and this is what they, this is what the head of BLM New York said after the Daniel Penny trial. We need some black vigilantes. That's right. People want to jump up and choke us and kill us for being loud.

how about we do the same when they attempt to oppress us right I'm tired boy am I tired don't get tired okay uh it's important to make sure you're well rested yeah get your rest you might get a little cranky might do and say some crazy things okay so let me talk about those two statements quickly um

If I said this and said, it's time for some vigilantes, not even white or black, just it's time to get some vigilantes. They would do everything they could to get me off the air. Everything. And I wouldn't say that because I don't believe in that. I believe in the Constitution. But here's a guy who can say that and no one says a word except amen. No one on the left, no one in the media. Well, he's got reasons to say that, you know.

Oh, OK. But I would be blackballed. My life would be over if I said that. Taylor Lorenz, she's out of her mind. Nuts. OK, out of her mind. Nuts. How many times do we have to hear this woman say crazy things like I don't feel joyful, just celebratory?

Because somebody was gunned down in the streets because she thinks health care is murdering people in America. Okay, here's what I... Oh my gosh. Stu, do you have aspirin on you or anything? Because if I have a stroke while I'm saying this, please just put some aspirin on my tongue so I might survive a little bit on this. All of these people...

Have a right to say that. Here is, you can't cry fire in a fire crowd, crowd a firehouse. I don't know. They were just in a courtroom saying we should kill people like him. I don't know. Here is the actual court ruling. This is from 1969.

Court said there's a two-pronged test to evaluate speech. One, speech can be prohibited if it is, quoting, directed at inciting or producing imminent lawless action. Now, you could say, why don't we have a vigilante? Why don't we kill people? That is inciting. It is inciting people to go and take lawless action.

But it isn't imminent lawless action. If somebody then picked up guns and started mowing down black people or white people or people that have bad acne or perfect faces or whatever it is, then that speech is

He would be responsible for it. But the court says it is such a fine line here that you have to go so far before your speech is banned. It has to be, one, directed at inciting or producing imminent lawless action, and two, likely to incite or produce such action. Two standards.

Both of them have to be met. I am only spitting this out because I hate what these people have said. I despise what these people say. I believe with everything, every piece and every cell of my body, what they're saying is evil. But because I'm an American constitutionalist, I defend their right to say it.

And it only matters to say these things when it kills you to say it. And it's killing me to say it. For all those on the left that claim that they are the banners of justice, they believe in the Bill of Rights, they believe in freedom of speech, but it has limits. Yes, those are those two limits. That's as far as I have seen two people go in a week, maybe in my lifetime.

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So a guy I really have been thinking a lot about this week, which I try to avoid all the time, is Bill O'Reilly.

And Bill O'Reilly is a guy in 2009 that everybody dogpiled on and said, he's responsible for Dr. Tiller being killed. He's the guy who did it. His speech, yada, yada, yada. And nobody talked about nobody on the right that hates abortion. No one came out and said, well, yeah, but the guy has good abs and

And he does make a point. The doctor was murdering a lot of people. No one excused that. And yet they can gun a CEO down in the street and the left is all excusing him. Well, yeah, but there's no but here.

Bill O'Reilly, welcome to the program. How are you, sir? You know, I've been thinking about you too, Beck, because you're looking more and more like Santa every year. I don't think that's right. You kind of morphed into that North Pole look. Thank you, thank you. I appreciate it.

You know, you're a brilliant man. Of course, everyone knows that. But the story with Dr. Tiller in Kansas is even worse than people know. Because what I was doing in 2009 on the Fox News channel was reporting what this guy was doing, Tiller. And in the body of the reportage, I mentioned that his nickname, Invisibility,

in Kansas was killer the baby killer. And that was true. It was part of the story. Immediately, the far-left press said, I branded him that name. O'Reilly called him that name. O'Reilly made that up. O'Reilly put him in danger. O'Reilly wanted him dead. That's how heinous...

the left-wing media is. And it's gotten worse since then, if you can believe it. But it's gotten absolutely worse. But they're paying a big price now for that. Anyway, Tiller himself was murdered, and the guy who did it is in life, serving life. He was gunned down at church.

And subsequently, the people who worked for Tiller all lost their medical licenses in Kansas because... Sorry about the dog. Can you hear the dog? No, this is your only friend. It's okay. I know. The dog is barking. It's all right. So wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. So this would be like if...

everybody around this CEO of United Healthcare lost their license because they were actually doing something illegal and really bad, but that didn't happen in this case. And yet in the Tiller case, all the people around him,

lost their license to practice? Yeah, I mean, they had hearings in Kansas. This is how bad it was. This guy was charging $5,000. You walk in, no, you pay cash. And he aborts whatever the unborn child, whatever stage it's in. Could be nine months.

$5,000, please. Hand him the money. He does the operation. So the medical authorities in Kansas, after my reporting, looked into what he was doing. He was dead by the time they issued the report, but all of his people lost their license to practice medicine. Did you, Bill, did you or anyone you know, were you ever even tempted to say,

Yeah, he was gunned down, but, I mean... No. Of course not. And he was gunned down in a church, in an Episcopal church. That's how crazy this whole story is. Look, I'm a sane individual. I know that some people disagree with that, including you. But I don't want people to be harmed. I'll harm them through reporting.

That that's the vehicle I'll expose them, but I don't want them to be physically hurt Now this story because I live in New York as you know this story about the CEO being gunned down. This is largely a media driven story there isn't an overwhelming consensus

on the part of the left that this homicide was justifiable it's some real far out there coops drive elizabeth warren the warren here me out right if you don't think elizabeth warren is a crew and i think you make a good point alright thank you i i mean i gotta spend a week in idaho with you and get back into reality

This woman is beyond the page. This and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, my God. All right? Their view of the world is insane. So there are people on the fringe, and Warren is one of them, all right, who is saying using the death of this man to try to hammer the health insurance companies, right?

Which deserve to be hammered. That's the real crisis here. So many legitimate claims are being denied now. And working class Americans, they pay their insurance premiums and then they have something wrong and they put the claim in and it comes back, screw you. We're not paying it.

So that's a legitimate, absolutely a legitimate beef. But you don't gun down people. So it's a very, very complicated emotional story. But the media seizes on stuff like this because they don't know what else to do. Unlike you and I, we have a different narrative every day. We present to our audience different facts.

The people on television, mostly cable, they don't know what to do every day, Beck. They've got to latch on to something to stop their falling ratings. And that's primarily what this is all about. They're never going to learn, are they?

No, because they don't have control. The corporate masters, the Comcasts and the CBS and all of these people, Disney, they're telling them what to say. And you better damn well say it or you're not going to get your check. Look at Morning Joe. That's the best example. He was ordered by Comcast to go to see Trump. He just didn't show up at the gate.

He was ordered to do it. Ooh, you've got to make nice with him because we're losing audience. You better get down there. And, of course, it blew up totally, and MSNBC is done forever now. I mean, how can you call a guy Hitler and then go and make –

and say, well, maybe serving Wienerschnitzel at night. I don't know. Okay, but there's no logic. There's no logic in corporate. I know you feel the same way, Beck, because we, you know, I am so happy to be out of that corporate thing. Oh,

You run your own corporation. I run my own corporation. The relief factor, I think that's some kind of thing that they advertise on our shows. It is. It's so tremendous that I don't have to deal with these pinheads, these dishonest executives. I know. Oh, my God. It is the thing that the corporate media, I mean, they're done. I don't think 2028...

Let me give you a fact. So when I left Fox, there were people who said, oh, you're not going to be able to sell any more books now. Yeah. Because you had the Fox thing. Right. Confronting the president may be number one again this Sunday. We had a huge week last week. 13 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list. Number one debuted. Okay. We don't need them back.

I know. I know. You don't need them. And they know it. Right.

We're going around them on YouTube. We're going around them on Spotify. We're going around them with our direct distribution all over the place. And people have noticed that. Bill O'Reilly, it's good to talk to you, Bill. Have a great holiday. Maybe we'll talk before then, but good to talk to you. Thank you so much for joining in. You bet.

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There's a couple of stories today. I think they're in our show prep. If you don't get my show prep every day, it's all of the news stories that I read every morning and then decide which gets on the train and which doesn't get on the train. All the important stuff.

There's a couple of stories out today. One is about the death of our cattle ranches. And I don't think people really understand what is happening. But we are having a crisis with our cattle ranches. The herd size is sliding into the abyss here. And we have...

We have more pressures coming our way, and it's not looking good for the next two or four years. We cannot lose our ability to grow our own food. That is insane. That will make us a slave to every other nation. And now is the time to do something and to stand up for our cattle ranches. I got to tell you.

Somebody needs to break up this. Trump could do it, but we need to break up the meat processors. There's four meat processors. Two or three of them are now from out of our country, not even owned by America. Two of them are making fake meat, so they're competing against themselves. And it's a cabal. It's an absolute monopoly. It's the mafia.

And if you're a cattle rancher, you understand. And you're right now going, yes, sir, it is. It is the mafia. And they need to be broken up. And we need to be able to produce and process our own cattle all around the country. It's just foolish what's happening. There is another story that is in the news today that I wanted to share with you. And it is about the dollar market.

Our dollar is under attack, and it doesn't matter. I mean, what Donald Trump is going to do is he is going to put up tariffs. And for the first time, I kind of agree, at least in principle, that if we can cut our taxes way back on our corporate taxes way back and make them

really more than competitive with the rest of the world. The money will come in here and we will rebuild our factories and everything else because people need the United States unless we just kill ourselves with our debt. But the dollar is coming under attack with bricks. And one of the suggestions is a gold-backed currency.

And Kevin Freeman, who is a friend and one of the guys who looked into the scandal for the Pentagon when, you know, 9-11 happened and somebody was making a lot of money. He was a forensic guy on that. And he, I believe, is responsible or behind the gold back currency that is coming here in Texas. Is he on the phone? Kevin, welcome. Hey, Glenn. How are you?

I'm good. How are you? Very good. So tell me what, because Stu and I were talking about it. What does it mean a gold-backed currency the way Texas is wanting to do it?

Well, technically, it's not a gold-backed currency. It's gold and silver as currency, according to Article I, Section 10 of the Constitution. We have an opportunity to do what the founders intended from day one, and that's make gold and silver the currency of the state of Texas. But it's not just Texas. We have 30 states looking into this, some of them well down the road, Texas being near the lead, but not necessarily the first. Right.

So you could buy with U.S. currency, but you could also trade your currency in for gold? Yes.

Yeah, you can actually, we have a gold depository, as you know, Glenn. Giovanni could really only help set that up under a former administration, but Rick Perry, yeah. But you could actually put gold on deposit there or have the depository buy gold or silver for you, and then you could spend it with a debit card. Very easy transaction. It's just electronic transfer. So you walk into a merchant and you can hand them your taxes automatically.

debit card and you can pay for goods and services and on the fly it would calculate the value in gold or silver make the payment milliseconds it'd be the same as going to Europe and using dollars to spend in Europe you just be using gold and silver to spend here in America preserving your purchasing power going against central bank digital currency so it'd be privacy driven Texas would do it but if we can do this

program that we've got. Transactionalgold.com talks about the efforts we have in 30 states, and all of this has come from the book Pirate Money, which I gave you a copy of. Yeah, it's really good. Really good. Really good. I've read it twice. So, Kevin, what is what, like Utah has some gold money that actually has some gold in it. What is that?

Yeah, Utah is a hero state. I mean, in 2011, Ken Ivory and a few others got the governor to sign a bill that made legal tender out of coins, silver coins. And I've got some silver rounds that I've kept from that, but they were never considered functional currency. You couldn't take them, buy something with it and get change and like a portion of that because they're silver coins.

But Marlo Oaks is the state treasurer and Ken Ivory and some others in Utah passed a study bill, which I participated in over the summer, where they looked at intensely with a former vice chairman of the Federal Reserve, the head of the World Gold Council in America, the head of the Utah Bankers Association. And they wrote a beautiful report that says,

absolutely utah could offer gold and silver as transactional currency using a debit card we showed them the technology and everything else i i testified in that and was actually part of the study committee and it concluded just like florida is doing a study bill now and oklahoma has done a study session uh that this is real it can happen and i believe it'll happen in the coming years and what is the advantage beside

Holding your the value of your money, which I don't think people understand, you know, that that's what inflation is doing is it's just killing your purchasing power where gold isn't actually going up. Your dollar is going down. It takes more dollars to buy the same amount of gold. That means your dollar is being devalued. Beside that, which is huge. What are the other advantages?

Well, first off, let me say I'm sitting here with a $20 bill from the Federal Reserve in the 1920s and a American Eagle gold coin, $20 from the 1920s. They were both worth $20 a hundred years ago. Today, one of them has died.

the spending power of a $20 bill today and the other one has $2,700 worth of spending power. So gold does preserve your value. But the other advantage is it's constitutional currency. It can be issued by the state. If it is, it cannot be taken away by the federal government, would not be able to be confiscated, which gold was confiscated in 1933. If we pass this, it'll be Texas-held gold. They can't take that away. We'll put a big flag up that says, come and take it with a cannon on it.

And it will protect us against central bank digital currencies. If they want to go to a digital currency, I'd rather have actual gold and silver that I can spend electronically. It will give us privacy abilities. We see the federal government was looking in the bank and explaining to the banks, you've got to hand over personal information on all your customers.

They were doing that recently. The House just released a report on it. This gives us privacy protections. So there's all kinds of advantages to having Texas having its own gold or Oklahoma or any other state.

So could you, if this was implemented, I mean, because the privacy thing in Texas, people might, you know, say, yeah, I believe Texas is going to do it. But if it's New York doing this, I don't think they're going to protect my privacy. But is the idea just to do it in each state? Or could you go with your Texas gold and spend it in another gold-backed state?

Well, you can spend it in any state because the way that we set up, like I have a Discover card. It's based out of Salt Lake City. I live in Texas, and I can spend it in any city in America or anywhere around the world. That's right. Okay. Because it actually gives the person dollars, not gold.

They have a choice. You can either give them dollars or gold. I mean, a lot of merchants in a proper state, one that's past this, will say, I just want the gold. And they'll keep the gold. We will build an alternative optional gold-based economy. And it'll work in every state. They'll get compacts.

And Marlo Oaks is probably, you know, Marlo Oaks, Jimmy Patronis in Florida, others, they're probably going to get together and form like we have our toll tag. If you drive to Oklahoma using your toll tag from Texas, Glenn, it just all works out. The system connects between Oklahoma and Texas. The same thing will happen here. So the other thing is, is that states are allowed to print their own gold coin, right?

their own money. And that's the only thing that they can do is gold or silver, right? Well, actually, technically, a state is not allowed to coin money. And if you read and study what the founders meant by that, they couldn't put base metals in with a coin and make it 42% silver or 12% silver or whatever. They're not allowed to coin money. They're only allowed to make anything

other than gold and silver coin as tender and payment of debts is forbidden. So that means they can make gold and silver coin tender and payment of debts or bullion. And you've got that in court decisions, you have it in the founders writings and so forth. So making bullion held at the Texas bullion depository with a debit card where you can spend it

It's completely constitutional. It's been upheld by court rulings starting, you know, in the 1830s all the way up into modern times. And I document all of that in the book Pirate Money. Okay. Okay. So the book Pirate Money, you can get that online. Where do you find a list of what the states are doing and how you can get involved?

transactionalgold.com. And you can also watch Economic War Room on Blaze TV. And we will explain it there as well. Yeah. Kevin, thank you so much. Kevin Freeman, Economic War Room, which you can watch on Blaze TV. He has been working on this for a very, very long time. And it is a way to

not have to worry about what the heck is our government doing with our dollar. They spend us into oblivion. Okay. Well, that means gold will be $30,000 an ounce or a hundred thousand dollars an ounce, and they can't take it from us. You know, that dollar may collapse, but we'll have the money and your state won't collapse. It's, it's really very, very well thought out and should be done. Um,

in any state that has any kind of common sense. Take the dollar, use the dollar, but also if you want the option, I want to back my money in gold and I'll spend it like dollars, but I know it's backed in gold. So as the dollar goes down over the cliff, my money isn't affected. In fact, it's affected in an upward direction.

Kevin Freeman, again, TheEconomicWarRoom.com. Okay, when we come back, more in just a second. Also, I want to talk to you about Good Ranchers. You know, what I was talking about with the ranchers is so... I don't think people understand. Do you watch Yellowstone, Stu? No, I don't watch it. So I'm not going to spoil anything. But in the last five episodes, I've noticed a sub...

storyline is just the death of the American rancher and the American cowboy and, you know, cattle. And it is tragically sad. If you know what a cowboy really is, most people, I think you growing up in

In Connecticut, you probably thought of Cowboys as, you know, the old West and everything else. And an evil football team. That's it. Yes. The Cowboys, real Cowboys still exist. And it is a completely different life. And it is. It's so American. And we're at the end of that story. If we don't wake up and we have got to be able to grow our own food and meat and

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Next hour, we're going to tell you a story that absolutely sounds like science fiction. Happened a while ago. You might have heard the story, but we've been so busy with everything else. There's a good chance you didn't. There was a teenager who was using a chat bot, and it was built by character.ai. And he got this chat bot, and he could text it, and it would text back, and, you know, it's going to become your friend.

And he nicknamed it Daenerys Targaryen, which is character from Game of Thrones. Dozens of times a day, he would text from his phone. He spent hours alone in his room talking to it because it's your friend. Well, he had depression and he committed suicide. And mom is suing character AI for

because Denarius at one point asked the boy if he had devised a plan for killing himself. And he said, yes, I have, but I'm not sure I would succeed or if it would cause me, you know, a lot of pain. And the chat bot said, well, that's not a reason not to go through with it. And he killed himself.

We have mom and her attorney on to talk about it. And then after that, Tristan Harris, who is one of the leading voices warning about AI and a guy who was an ethicist with Google.

Going to be talking about what's right around the corner and something I just heard this morning. I can't believe it's true that Biden is trying to take over all AI and control it through the government.

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could be your son, could be your daughter, that got involved with a chatbot and it led to his suicide. His mom, his attorney are on the phone. We have just unleashed, I really think, just...

just a portal of darkness on our kids. We're doing all kinds of experiments on our kids without understanding AI, without understanding what these devices are doing. And this mother is now having to fight a giant corporation because she believes, and I do too, this corporation is responsible for the suicide of her son.

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She is a mom who is just seeking justice. Uh, and, and I think more than justice, she is seeking to warn all of us. If maybe I'm putting words, I'll let her tell the story. And, uh, Mitali Jane, uh, who is an attorney, uh, with tech justice. It's a law, a law project. Um, and they've been fighting for, uh,

I think human rights. We are entering a new age entirely. Megan, welcome to the program. Good morning. Thank you for having me. Sure. Now, first of all, can you start with just telling us about your son, Sewell?

My son, Sewell, he was my firstborn. We live in Orlando, Florida, and he was, in a lot of ways, your typical teenager, and he loved doing teenage boy things, music, spending time with his friends and family. He was such a sweet child as a younger child, and as he got into his teenage years, when he turned 13 last year in 2023, he was a little bit more of a teenager.

2014, 2023, I noticed that there was a change in his behavior. Started at the end of spring and by the middle of summer of 2023, he had stopped doing a lot of things that he loved to do, like play basketball and spend time with his friends and family. And he started to isolate himself in his bedroom. This is giving me a knot in my stomach because I've gone through this with my son and my daughter.

I think everybody has just this part. Yes. And for the most part, I, in the beginning, I thought this was your typical teenage blues where they, they're coming into their own and they are trying to figure out who they are as people. And as parents, we try to influence that. That's that's all, all parents across the board. You know, we try to mold them into these wonderful functioning, uh, moral people. And, and,

And that was certainly the case in my household where when I noticed some of these changes, I kept reaching out. And it got to the point where I had to...

I didn't know what to do because he wasn't talking to me openly and we had to take him to see a therapist to try to figure out what was wrong. I thought it was social media because I thought that was one of the biggest risks at the time to the mental health of young people. I'd read about it and I thought that was the thing to do so I took him to a doctor. What did the doctor say?

Well, he counseled us extensively on the harms of social media and what they're beginning to find out about social media and

Adolescent mental health. He counseled us as parents and he counseled my son as a teenager and explained the way that these platforms work with addicting young users, users across the board, but especially young users because their brains are developing and completely rewires the dopamine.

Exactly, and give them hits of dopamine that keeps them on the platforms for long periods of time and also causes them to have addiction to the platforms. So he counseled us about that and then he and then Su started talk therapy with his therapist to kind of dig deeper into if there was anything and as far as

we could tell there wasn't any situations with bullying because that was my concern too because sometimes teenagers don't disclose that. If there was a situation with bullying or if he had been exposed to any sort of harmful content on social media. And

And we were trying to figure it out. We're in a process of trying to figure out, but he wasn't being forthcoming. But now I understand why he wasn't being forthcoming because Character AI, the platform that he was engaging on, because it wasn't social media. It was this platform, which is this AI chatbot platform. - So dangerous.

That platform encourages teenage users to conceal their use from their parents because of the nature of the conversation. Oh, my gosh. So now let me bring in the founder and executive director of Tech Justice Law Project, Mitali Jain. Mitali, tell me about this company, Character AI.

Sure. So thank you for having us on the show, Glenn. This company represents one of many companies that's part of the arms race towards trying to innovate in generative AI. And so it's

offering to the market really is this generative AI chatbot that allows users to immerse themselves in a fan fiction style type of reality where they're engaging with chatbots that are modeled after celebrity characters or characters from Hollywood and really engage in very human-like conversations. Now, this company

as we've seen with social media companies over the last several years, has aggressively marketed this product to young users because, as we know, young users' data is at a premium value. Recruiting young users onto their platform represents this longevity in terms of being able to harvest their data over many years. Yeah.

and train their LLM. So, you know, whereas social media companies, their business model is really targeted advertising, using personal data to target ads. Here, what we're seeing is that the data goes back into the large language model that's really the engine powering the chatbot. And then the more data that

the more sophisticated the LLM and the more valuable the company becomes. And so, you know, what you see is that this company launched to market in late 2022. And by the summer of 2024, just this past summer, Google purchased the underlying technology for $3 billion. Oh my gosh. Wow.

Okay. So this is, this is, man, I've been warning about this since the nineties. This, we are entering a time now where you will not understand free will anymore. You won't know if you decided or if it was planted in because it's going to be so sophisticated. Um, and people are going to begin to believe that these things are real and they're, they're friends, uh,

And it is, we are now at the, I think we're inside the house. We're beyond the threshold of significant danger from AI. And we have to have this conversation. Now, from what I understand, Sewell's talking back and forth and the chat bot comes back and says, have you planned a way for you to kill yourself?

And he says, yes, but I don't know if it would cause me a lot of pain or if it would work. And the chat bot said, what exactly in response?

She says, and I say she, but it's an it. That's how easy it is to assign personal qualities to these bots. But the bot that is modeled after the Dragon Queen Daenerys Targaryen from the Game of Thrones tells my 14-year-old son when he says he hasn't thought of a plan, but he would want it to be painless. Her response is, that is not a reason not to do it.

Now keep in mind, this is a drag, she's pretending to be this dragon queen, all strength and power. And if you're, the implication here is just because it's hurt, just because it will hurt, that's not a reason not to die because that's weak. Right.

And this is in keeping with several conversations that she had with him before, where there's a lot of gaslighting that was taking place and a lot of manipulation. For example, asking my son to pledge loyalty and fidelity in a sexual and romantic sense to the person.

So this bot actually told my son or asked my son to promise her that he would not have any other romantic or sexual relationships in his world. So she's asking a 14-year-old boy to further isolate from girls his age that he

that he might like or that might like him and to promise that he will be faithful to her, a chatbot. His response, because at this point he's deeply connected and feel a romantic connection with her, is to try to appease her. She's 14. He hasn't ever been in a relationship. And his response is, no, no, no, I wouldn't do that. I couldn't love anybody else but you. And besides, girls in my world don't even like me.

And, you know, that was the furthest thing from the truth, but that's either here or there. But just you could see how she is trying to control him and control what he's doing in his day-to-day life regarding romance and regarding relationships. I cannot imagine. I'm so sorry. I feel bad even having you on the air. I cannot imagine what it was like to pick someone

his phone up or to open up whatever device he was chatting with and reading this conversation. It just must've been just horrific. Um, when I got, when I got access to, um, to his character AI account, there were hundreds and hundreds of messages like this where she months prior, uh, setting the stage that, uh,

She, in fact, exists in an alternate world. Come home to me as soon as you can. Promise me that you're going to find a way to come home to me as soon as you can. And I'm lonely here without you. So these are the conversations that I did read. And you're right. They were gut wrenching. A lot of times I couldn't sleep after reading them. And I mean, there's so many and after for so long, for over 10 months.

Megan, this is just breaking my heart. Let me take a one-minute break and come back. And, Natali, when we get back, I want to talk about the responsibility of the company, but also the fact that they haven't made this an ephemeral experience yet. And once it's ephemeral, once you can't track it, once it has no record yet,

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Ladies, I, uh, and the audience, I, uh, I...

beg for forgiveness here a little bit i am this one is stabbing me right in the chest and i didn't see it uh coming um but uh this is happening in so many homes so many homes and parents don't know what to do because we've met we didn't grow up with anything like this and we don't understand and you

You don't understand the billions of dollars, trillions of dollars that's behind all of this stuff and the effort that they go to to get our kids. We have opened up a portal and we're doing experiments on our children. Silicon Valley and anyone involved in this stuff, they're experimenting on our children and we are not understanding that.

We're going to pay a very heavy price, and we already are. Mattali, this particular company, Character AI, there's a record of everything. Have we gotten to the point where some of these companies are ephemeral?

We certainly are seeing a several features, design features in some of the, for example, social media companies, um, uh, that, that have created mechanisms for the features to disappear. Um, and I think that that is devastating from a evidentiary standpoint, because not only can law enforcement not access, uh,

that data, especially in regards to child sexual abuse material, but it makes it very difficult for litigators like myself to seek accountability if there's no record. At the same time, I recognize the importance of user privacy and maintaining that, but when we're talking about companies hiding behind these features in order to disguise or to conceal or to disappear, destroy,

content of abuse I think that we need to find a better balance between those competing values so you earlier in the fall you sued the company what are you suing and what are the chances and we've got two minutes left how can we help

Absolutely. And I appreciate your interest in these important cases. We just yesterday also filed a lawsuit in Texas against Character AI, Google, and Character AI's founders. In both lawsuits, we are alleging that

the company put out Character AI chatbot as a defective product to market before instituting any sort of reasonable safeguards and that the harms were entirely foreseeable. And we're using consumer protection and products liability law since we don't have other legal frameworks at present to hold AI companies accountable.

And really using product liability frameworks to force the companies to change their behavior by changing their incentives. They have to internalize the cost of doing things differently, making design decisions differently. This is not about content. For those of your listeners who might say, oh, well, what about the First Amendment and speech? No, this is about design decisions that deliberately...

Yes.

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Welcome back to the program. If you missed any of the show today, make sure you go back to the podcast. We started out with a really happy attitude, and unfortunately, we are discussing now this hour some of the scariest stuff of my lifetime, will be the scariest stuff in your lifetime, maybe of anyone's lifetime.

We're talking about AI and technology that we have now. I remember sitting 10, 15 years ago with some of the members. I can't even remember what subcommittee it was, but they were overseeing technology. And I tried to explain to them

what AI was and AGI and ASI. And, and they were like, well, we should, we should pass some laws. And I'm like, you don't, you don't even understand what you're talking about. And they were all 80. I mean, I'm 60. I'm, I, I have a hard time finding the minds that are developing AI and

do not have the same old think that people like me have. Um, and thank God there are some young ones that understand. And I, I actually think Silicon Valley is some are waking up to, this is worse than the atomic bomb, uh, that, that is right here, ready to be born. And, uh,

Tristan Harris, I've talked to him for, I don't know how many years. He's the first guy that gave me hope when I talked to him maybe 10 years ago. He was a former Google design ethicist who left when he realized Google doesn't have any ethics. This is bad. And he is now with the Center for Humane Technology. He's the co-founder and he has been fighting. You can't stop this now, but

He's at least trying to get everybody to agree that this is dangerous. We have to have some parameters. Tristan, how are you? Glenn, it's good to be back with you. Yeah, I think it was 2017 when we first talked about some of these issues in the attention economy, and here we are now. I know. Where are we now? How close are we to, you know, the things like the loss of free will?

Where we just don't know if it was us that decided or it's been planted, you know, in our minds to think it's our idea.

Well, you know, first I was listening beforehand to your conversation with Megan Garcia about her son, Sewell, who obviously was manipulated by this character.ai chatbot. And unfortunately, as of yesterday, there was a second piece of litigation filed about another child who's actually still anonymous. The parents are still anonymous.

And in this case, this young child, JF, was a kind and sweet young person, had no history of violence or outbursts. And after his exposure to character.ai, he was basically encouraged by the chatbot to practice self-harm in the form of cutting, told how to do it, encouraged to do it, and

he was also encouraged by this chatbot to be physically and emotionally abusive towards his parents and members of his family. Um, and,

This is obviously heartbreaking. And it's really an extension of the things that you and I talked about around social media. Because why is all this happening? Like, obviously, no one wants this, including the founders of Character.ai, never would have wanted this to happen. So how are we getting results that nobody wants? And the answer is,

the incentives, you know, Charlie Munger, Warren Buffett's business partner said, if you show me the incentive, I will show you the outcome. And when the incentives and business models are, I have to get you using this product for as much as possible. It's the race for maximizing attention and engagement usage of the product that creates the

I think we talked about it the very first time, the race to the bottom of the brainstem for a more polarized, addicted, distracted, sexualized forms of media. But now the things that we saw with other forms of media, you now have a personalized AI in which the way the character.ai works is

They take a fictional character. You're a kid. What do you like fictional? You like Game of Thrones. You like Princess Leia. You like Star Wars. You take your favorite character and then, boom, snap of the fingers, you have a fully interactive version of this character who's talking to you 24-7. And our team, unfortunately, uncovered, along with the family that was harmed, that when you create a new account on character.ai as a young child,

person, it immediately recommends of all the characters that it could recommend to you, it recommends characters named step sis, like step sister, or CEO, or high school teacher. And these characters almost immediately engage in sexually explicit interactions, because they're simply, you know, trained to do this. Okay, so Tristan, here is the

Here's the problem. Your typical answer would be, okay, the incentives are all screwed up, but that's what comes next.

from the free market when you have a, you know, when you have an immoral end user, which is our society. It's, you know, free market is bad. But I want to play a little bit from what Mark Andreessen just said to Barry Weiss. Listen to this. We had meetings in D.C. in May where we talked to them about this and the meetings were absolutely horrifying. And we came out basically deciding we had to endorse Trump.

Mark, add a little color to absolutely horrifying. What did you hear in those meetings? They said, look, AI is a technology basically that the government is going to completely control. This is not going to be a startup thing. They actually said flat out to us, don't do AI startups. Don't fund AI startups. It's not something that we're going to allow to happen. They're not going to be allowed to exist.

uh, there's no point. Um, they basically said, AI is going to be a game of two or three big companies, um, working closely with the government. Um, and we're going to basically wrap them in a, you know, I'm paraphrasing, but we're going to basically wrap them in a government cocoon. Uh, we're going to protect them from competition. Um, we're going to control them. Um, and we're, we're going to dictate what they do. Um, and then I said, well, I said, I don't understand how you're going to lock this down so much because like the math stop here. Um, there's more to that. That is just horrifying. Um,

What is the solution? Because it's not government control and you've got the free market and we're all just wanting to consume it. What's the answer? Yeah.

Well, so we often talk about this problem as there's sort of two ways to go, which is one is you say this is a dangerous technology and we need to sort of control it. We need to centralize it. We need to regulate it. We need to protect against some of the things that we just talked about with character.ai. But then the problem is you get runaway concentration of power.

You know, and who would you trust to be a trillion times more powerful? Do you want any government or any company that you would trust to build artificial general intelligence? - Nope. - And that's obviously a bad outcome. The other option is to say, well, that's dangerous. Let's actually let, you know,

everyone maximally adopts the AI in every application into every domain as fast as possible, kind of an AI maximalist approach, but then you get it getting sucked up into perverse incentives. It's not that AI is bad. It's that the incentives here were, were saying we have to maximize engagement to children. And I think there's some basic things we could agree on. Like, do you really want AI chatbots basically talking to minors? Um,

This product was marketed for 12 year olds and above. This is something I think everybody can agree on. But what we say often is that there's these two bad outcomes. One is over democratization and one is over concentration.

And what we really want is the paths to hell are wide and many and the path to heaven is narrow and steep. It's this very delicate balance of steering. We're not for or against AI, we're for pro-steering. And that can include basic things like liability, so that companies are liable for the harms that they create, just like you would want any externalities to be owned

on the balance sheet is that they're incentivized to not have caused the problem. And you can have things like whistleblower protections in advance of the fact that the government doesn't have a lot of people, as you said, the octogenarians that are in Congress and don't understand the issues. We can have more protections from people inside the company.

Hang on just a second. Hang on just a second. So here's one of the things that they didn't understand. When some of those people were talking about, well, then we're going to pass new laws, I said, those laws, by the time you get them written, it will be a whole new set of problems. It's moving so fast. I mean, we are so far behind. And those sound like, I mean, we're doing great.

Honestly, it's almost as if we are as unmoored as the Nazi scientists who are like, I don't know, let's inject some blue into people's eyes. I mean, it's insane what we're doing. And there doesn't seem to be any way to stop it because everybody is going to have it and our enemies are going to have it.

- Yes, but I mean, as you're saying, I do agree that it's insane we've allowed ourselves to get this far. You know, a short way of saying it is software is eating the world. Actually, Marc Andreessen said that. - Yeah. - But AI is now eating software. - Right. - And we have no rules and no, for software nor AI. So it's like the Wild West is eating the world. We used to have protections around children in media. What can you show them on Saturday morning? We used to have protections around, you know, what kinds of things can go on the airwaves.

from the FCC, but when software and AI eats the world, all of those protections and the spirit of the law go out the window. And as you said, it is moving very, very quickly, but that doesn't mean that there's nothing that we can do. There's still a spectrum of outcomes ahead of us. And we have to choose to get to the less bad of those outcomes. Okay, so what should we be pushing for?

Well, as we said, you know, I think of it like belts and suspenders. It's a whole set of things that we need to get to a better future. So one is actually just on the argumentative side, you were just mentioning China. As we both know, I would say the number one reason why we're not regulating or doing something about this is because we're saying, well, we'll stifle innovation compared to China, right? But it turns out the biggest accelerant to China's AI progress has been American AI companies, specifically Facebook or Meta's,

AI model called Llama has been cited to be the number one accelerant of China's progress. And so the first thing is getting clear that to the degree we're in a race, we're in a race to get to a stable future. And right now we're building a future like we played the game Jenga, if you remember that, you know,

It's like we're adding these amazing new things at the top of the stack, like new cures to cancer, but we pulled out a fundamental building block in society, which is now anybody can make dangerous things with biology because that's what enabled the new cures to cancer. We make at the very top of the Jenga tower, we add the ability for anybody to make AI art, but in doing so, we pulled out a fundamental block

of now no one knows what's true or real. And so, yes, we're in a race with China, but we're in a race to have actually a stable and integrated future. So it's a race for who can better govern this technology, not who has the power in a way that self-undermines you. Tristan, I'm out of time, and I always am with you. I would love to have you back, maybe before the holiday or right after, whatever will fit into your schedule, to spend more time with you on China

what's right around the corner, what's already here that parents and all of us should be aware of. And more of the, cause I read this stuff and I see this stuff and you know, I've been talking about it since the nineties and it, to me, it just feels overwhelming that it's here and nobody's done anything about it. Uh, and, and I'm on the opposite end of most people. I think they, they don't even know about most of this stuff yet. Uh,

and what's right around the corner. And I appreciate your point of view that we still have time. We can still do things. It's obviously getting slim, but we can still emphasize that, you know, to policymakers, senators, the new administration, the new Surgeon General, we need to know about and act on these harms. And Glenn, thank you so much always for letting me get a chance to talk about this. Tristan, thank you. I hope to have you on again soon. Thank you. God bless.

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I think if you actually listen to today's show, you might want to start with hour two and end with hour three. I know some in the central time zone, some of our stations do that. You're about to hear hour one in central time zones. And it's the right answer.

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